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Thursday, August 13, 2020
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2020/08/13 - The True Heart of Our Business

[NEW EPISODE] The True Heart of Our Business

We’ll explore the real Heart of a business, the people. How practical approaches and mindset can build corporate resilience instinctively.

Our guest this week is an expert on this subject - Sanjay Sehgal who is currently the Chairman and CEO of MSys Technologies. He a multi-faceted person donning several hats – a Technology Entrepreneur, Global Businessman, Startup Advisor, Keynote Speaker, Philanthropist, Heartful Human, a meditation instructor and a self- development enthusiast who has taught meditation techniques to thousands of people as a part of his own self-development journey.

You can also watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.


Show Notes

Segment 1

Our guest this week is an expert on this subject - Sanjay Sehgal who is currently the Chairman and CEO of MSys Technologies. He a multi-faceted person donning several hats – a Technology Entrepreneur, Global Businessman, Startup Advisor, Keynote Speaker, Philanthropist, Heartful Human, a meditation instructor and a self- development enthusiast who has taught meditation techniques to thousands of people as a part of his own self-development journey. Sanjay says its all about utilizing your time to the best of your ability. 

His company, MSys Technologies, was founded in India. They are in the product engineering market, which Sanjay likened to being a contractor. They work with companies and developers all over the world to create new technology. Although he is based in Atlanta, Sanjay is connected to employees all over the United States. He prioritizes his employees and customers in order to be recognized as an accommodating and respected company.

Graham and Sanjay discuss what its like to work internationally and how business has been during the pandemic here in the US and overseas. They talk about the personal and career benefits that working with a global company has.


Segment 2

As CEO of a major global country, Sanjay has had a long career journey. He and Graham talk about Sanjay’s past job experiences and how they built him into the leader he is today. He reminisces about the people and moments that inspire him. He notes how important seizing opportunity is.

Sanjay is a proponent of mediation and mindfulness. He discusses how important awareness and connectivity is to having an aligned mind and body. For him, these practices have led to his success and tranquility in life. When you tap into your own awareness, you find your true self.


Segment 3

You can inspire others by doing things that inspire you. Sanjay tries to be a role model to his employees. He encourages a leadership style that is driven by heart and gut instinct. Its about doing the right thing, he says. Graham asks if there is any sacrifice when you listen to your heart as a leader, he and Sanjay then analyze what it means to lead with heart. 

Sanjay’s entrepreneurial journey has been long and formative. He looks back at how he came into his current position and what factors influenced him. He elaborates on his inclusive leadership style and who inspires him to lead this way. 


Segment 4

To close the show, Graham asks Sanjay to describe what traits are most valuable to a leader. When hiring someone new, Sanjay prioritizes someone who is strong willed and humble. Being mature and sure of oneself is extremely important to Sanjay when looking for new employees or leaders.

Sanjay ponders upon his past choices and regrets in his career. He seeks a peaceful way of life, and strives for that at home and at work.


Transcript

00:00:39.120 --> 00:00:46.950 Graham Dobbin: Good evening. Welcome. Live from New York. This is talk radio dot NYC with me. Graham Dobbin with the mind behind leadership again.

00:00:48.270 --> 00:01:05.550 Graham Dobbin: Every week we speak to leaders from all different places from Sports businesses, large and small, from military politics. People who influence but we teach the textbooks. We want to get right behind what real leadership is all about and how that makes a business tick so

00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:10.260 Graham Dobbin: Some people talk about business or people in process when we talk about business.

00:01:11.190 --> 00:01:21.150 Graham Dobbin: We're really lucky tonight because he goes, somewhat unusual as someone who owns a technology business he understands process, but he certainly understands people too.

00:01:21.630 --> 00:01:28.560 Graham Dobbin: So it's my pleasure. We've got Sanjay Sagal as our guest this evening know just to give a bit of an introduction.

00:01:28.950 --> 00:01:37.200 Graham Dobbin: I hope everybody is sitting comfortably because there's a long one sign tree is an extraordinary leader. He is currently the chairman and CEO.

00:01:37.830 --> 00:01:49.980 Graham Dobbin: Of MCS technologies as well as a technology entrepreneur global business when startup advisor keynote speaker philanthropist heartfelt human

00:01:50.640 --> 00:02:02.640 Graham Dobbin: And a meditation instructor and self development enthusiast who's taught meditation techniques to thousands of people as part of his own self development journey. Good evening. Sanjay

00:02:03.510 --> 00:02:04.470 Sanjay Sehgal: Good evening, Graham.

00:02:05.370 --> 00:02:13.350 Graham Dobbin: Great to help you. The first question that you just jumped to my mind as I read all know is how many hours a day. Do you have

00:02:17.550 --> 00:02:31.110 Sanjay Sehgal: To this day that you make every hour that you have count that is more important. It's not the number of ours but you know how you can. How do you make every hour count that is more right

00:02:31.890 --> 00:02:32.400 Well, it seems

00:02:33.870 --> 00:02:35.640 Graham Dobbin: It seems that you do make them carry

00:02:36.180 --> 00:02:40.800 Graham Dobbin: Because you're an influential in all different ways. And we're going to touch as many as we possibly can. Tonight.

00:02:41.310 --> 00:02:55.380 Graham Dobbin: Just to get an idea of of your style, your culture value for you lead the way that you do and just talk about you know what the impact has been. But just first of all, give us an idea MCS technologies, tell me more, tell me more about that.

00:02:55.890 --> 00:03:07.770 Sanjay Sehgal: So MCS technology has been around since 2008 though I took over. I had, I was one of the investors in this company. It was originally it was founded in India.

00:03:08.430 --> 00:03:30.090 Sanjay Sehgal: I joined this company as CEO transition from being just an investor to be CEO in 2012 and I set up their US operation and now it's a global company. We have offices at many locations. We are in the business of product engineering services. So anyone looking to develop

00:03:31.470 --> 00:03:43.980 Sanjay Sehgal: A technology product in a specific field around cloud technology data storage or networking, they will call someone like us. It's like a contractor, you know,

00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:56.490 Sanjay Sehgal: You want to build a certain kind of building you call a contractor right so we build products now important thing is that last few years, we have acquired other companies to grow ourselves and

00:03:57.270 --> 00:04:10.470 Sanjay Sehgal: Six of our clients are currently the unicorns. You know, these are the companies which were we started working with them and they were startups and they are now. They all are billion plus valuation company.

00:04:11.310 --> 00:04:28.230 Sanjay Sehgal: As the term unicorn, they call them, you know, the other unicorns. Many of them have gone public and continue to work with us. And that's kind of what our name to fame or what we think right and that we were there when they need us and continue to be working with them.

00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:41.670 Graham Dobbin: It's a great point to get working with the businesses know when when when there's all that and creativity and and they said the star. Can you give us some examples of the type of technologies type of products that you've been involved with

00:04:42.150 --> 00:04:45.060 Sanjay Sehgal: Sure, one of our clients, actually they're located in Atlanta.

00:04:46.170 --> 00:05:00.000 Sanjay Sehgal: They, they are in reward redemption space the points that you often have with your credit cards and all that. Right. So one of the products that we again take great pride in is we work with them that was

00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:08.700 Sanjay Sehgal: A mobile app that allows your points to be used as dollars and cents at various stores.

00:05:10.110 --> 00:05:18.540 Sanjay Sehgal: So that is kind of very something that people can relate to. I mean, you all have. Okay, you have some Kroger point you have some delta point you have some United Way point

00:05:18.870 --> 00:05:31.650 Sanjay Sehgal: Some 2000 10,000 20,000 30,000 some Starbucks reward points, but even combine all of them at one place and use them and you next time you go with groceries and use them for some sent you know something meaningful right

00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:40.050 Sanjay Sehgal: So they worked with the we had worked with Visa. Visa was the underwriter and I can't really talk too much about technology, but

00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:49.590 Sanjay Sehgal: Because it's it's a product that has been released, and it's being used well by many banks and many providers and many users.

00:05:50.850 --> 00:06:00.690 Graham Dobbin: I don't want you just met you mentioned something that made my heart sing every month they get my my delta point statement and it just hasn't moved in such a long time.

00:06:01.830 --> 00:06:02.580 Graham Dobbin: So well

00:06:06.960 --> 00:06:13.680 Graham Dobbin: So tell me about your current situation. I mean, you've got a number of employees, you said across the world. You've got a base in Atlanta.

00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.760 Graham Dobbin: So you're used to working virtually, yes.

00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:23.610 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, we were actually quite fortunate because being in the technology industry, we have

00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:31.050 Sanjay Sehgal: Allowed these, you know, flexibility to every employee in working right from I would say three, four years ago.

00:06:31.410 --> 00:06:38.370 Sanjay Sehgal: Every employee had laptops. They had all these tools, including the hotspots. I mean, regardless of where they are. I mean, there are

00:06:38.730 --> 00:06:48.630 Sanjay Sehgal: We are quite fortunate to have high speed internet in cities here, but it's not true, you know, at other places. So we made sure that everybody had infrastructure.

00:06:49.230 --> 00:07:01.890 Sanjay Sehgal: Three, four years ago, to be able to work remotely. So that really paid off to us and then we have about thousand employees worldwide, and all of them are able to work virtually and early part of this covert

00:07:02.700 --> 00:07:08.430 Sanjay Sehgal: You know pandemic. We made sure as a company that we take care of our thing as I had

00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:16.950 Sanjay Sehgal: Mentioned that in one of the articles that I think three things for me very important one was employees. Number one thing was making sure

00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:28.410 Sanjay Sehgal: Every employee was with their family and in case they had family at some remote location we allowed them to go there as soon as the things opened up. So taking care of employees was number one thing for us.

00:07:29.070 --> 00:07:40.560 Sanjay Sehgal: Taking care of customer when I personally talked to each and every customer myself you know as soon as this situation happened to really feel, what are they are experiencing and how

00:07:41.010 --> 00:07:47.550 Sanjay Sehgal: What changes, we should make in the business to really accommodate what they needed and the third was a business continuity plan.

00:07:47.910 --> 00:07:56.790 Sanjay Sehgal: Which we were fortunate to have that. And so we activated that plan. I mean, within our industry parlance, it is kind of BC one BC to they are some

00:07:57.150 --> 00:08:06.060 Sanjay Sehgal: Plans. We had activated a plan to be to ensure that everybody is able to work remotely and whatever help they needed that was available to them remotely.

00:08:06.750 --> 00:08:14.520 Sanjay Sehgal: And that so our business, kind of, I would say between March, April, till middle of May have slowed down, but

00:08:15.090 --> 00:08:24.060 Sanjay Sehgal: Since May it has picked up because as you know in despite all everything else that is happening. Technology is one area that is doing well, yes.

00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:32.040 Sanjay Sehgal: And so I think we, we are in fact many of our clients are pulling in their roadmap, meaning they are developing products that which

00:08:32.370 --> 00:08:39.180 Sanjay Sehgal: Earlier, they thought they will develop next year they're thinking, well, we need them now because they want to be able to provide it to their customer

00:08:39.510 --> 00:08:47.580 Sanjay Sehgal: To get some more of a new and I think that is helping us to really work more and and productivity has increased.

00:08:48.180 --> 00:08:56.730 Sanjay Sehgal: Though I did see in the last, I would say month of August. Some fatigue among employees. I talked to them every month. All the offices.

00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:10.830 Sanjay Sehgal: And I did observe some fatigue among employees. That's the thing we do implement some ways to really make sure that as their morale is going down, we do something to bring them up and all that. It is hard. I mean, people

00:09:11.430 --> 00:09:23.580 Sanjay Sehgal: Staying away from each other for such a long time, it's, it's a human being. So I think we all are human beings. So they do miss things. And so we provide it to other remote means you

00:09:24.690 --> 00:09:34.080 Graham Dobbin: Enjoy. We were working with remote teams at the moment you feel that there's no the phrase everybody went on to zoom know everybody's don't

00:09:35.520 --> 00:09:45.930 Graham Dobbin: You know there's there's a that is a bit of fatigue and everybody's going through in a different place. So you've got offices, whether your offices or whether they are the main offices then worldwide.

00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:57.360 Sanjay Sehgal: So we have one in Atlanta, one in in California and in the Bay Area, the main technology hub there and we have in tonight, Bangalore and play.

00:09:59.340 --> 00:10:07.770 Graham Dobbin: So all of those areas. I mean, the two areas Atlanta and in in the Bay Area going through this differently in the US. So my guess is

00:10:08.220 --> 00:10:21.240 Graham Dobbin: In India, they're going through a different way as well. So we have different things in place for employees or your, your comment was, you wanted to make sure that every employee resume with the family. Did you say that to all the thousands

00:10:21.420 --> 00:10:30.660 Sanjay Sehgal: That, yes, yes, of course. I mean, there are some folks who are we have clients in New Zealand and Australia in Japan, and all so we

00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:40.620 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, when this happened, nobody knew what we're getting into, as you well know, and first week, we thought, well, let's wait for the week. But as soon as applied opened up.

00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:50.880 Sanjay Sehgal: We, you know, asked everybody made arrangement for everyone to come back in the folks when from New Zealand. In fact, he was stuck the longest because New Zealand. Did the

00:10:51.330 --> 00:11:00.540 Sanjay Sehgal: Did block the reports for kill almost like June and but we made sure during the period, their families are taken care of any any help.

00:11:01.020 --> 00:11:06.480 Sanjay Sehgal: And they are providing to that help and things like that. So they were like situations like that where employees were stuck.

00:11:07.110 --> 00:11:11.880 Sanjay Sehgal: At different customer locations. So bringing them back to be with their families and sometimes

00:11:12.450 --> 00:11:21.450 Sanjay Sehgal: They may be working in today, but their families may be in Calcutta, one of our employees like that India had also stopped the flight. So as soon as we open the domestic airports.

00:11:21.930 --> 00:11:27.570 Sanjay Sehgal: We made sure that he goes back to his family and work from Calcutta, because when you're working remotely one benefit is you can work from anywhere.

00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:37.140 Graham Dobbin: So um yeah I know the feeling I got I I arrived here. I've been working in Australia. And I think arrived, your four days before everything kind of closed down.

00:11:37.170 --> 00:11:37.620 On my

00:11:38.970 --> 00:11:43.530 Graham Dobbin: I don't know if that was good or bad, because I moved. I came from, what are the safest countries, but that

00:11:43.560 --> 00:11:44.820 Sanjay Sehgal: That's like, that's like

00:11:44.910 --> 00:12:02.460 Graham Dobbin: A new law. So what do you most enjoy about how being teams in different areas and different different time zones and I know, watching LinkedIn today. I know we've got people listening at 4:30am and that's absolutely for setting up after the

00:12:03.390 --> 00:12:04.080 Graham Dobbin: Dinner today.

00:12:04.380 --> 00:12:09.660 Graham Dobbin: So a good evening, and good morning to everyone there. What do you must enjoy every one of the teams like that.

00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:26.460 Sanjay Sehgal: I think it's i like i mean right from I would say early part of my life. I mean, I enjoy it knowing people from different cultures, though. I'm a sand fortunate part has been I haven't learned any other language besides English or my native Indian language, but

00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:38.430 Sanjay Sehgal: I, I do like I traveled a lot like you and I have traveled pretty much in every country of the world and I enjoy doing people enjoy being with people talking to people.

00:12:38.790 --> 00:12:47.220 Sanjay Sehgal: And I feel that through these interaction, sometimes we can influence others and sometimes they can touch our lives. So it goes both ways. So I think I

00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:58.290 Sanjay Sehgal: I, I mean, for me, I have now set up a management structure where I have really empowered my team leaders, you know, in the company.

00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:06.750 Sanjay Sehgal: To run the company or various offices on their own without me having to micromanage. So that's kind of one part of I would say leadership.

00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:26.550 Sanjay Sehgal: That I have implemented that I it's not that they everybody has to come to me or I have to know everything I have empowered them. And I think that empowerment has not only made them or made them feel company to be part of their lives and vice versa, but also made my life a bit easier.

00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:34.050 Graham Dobbin: So does a good point. What's happened to the company. When you empower others. What have you seen

00:13:36.390 --> 00:13:37.590 Sanjay Sehgal: Sorry, could you repeat that.

00:13:37.770 --> 00:13:43.530 Graham Dobbin: Yeah. What have you seen when you are empowering others. What kind of impact does that have on the business.

00:13:43.860 --> 00:13:55.260 Sanjay Sehgal: Or it has. I mean, it has a great impact other than, like, allowing everybody to have peace of mind, but it is I have seen the last despite various

00:13:56.130 --> 00:14:07.620 Sanjay Sehgal: In Dutton micro or macro level things that have happened around us in the last, I would say three, four years we have been growing consistently 25 30% every year.

00:14:08.220 --> 00:14:17.160 Sanjay Sehgal: And for a company in our space that is, I would say pretty unheard off. We are bootstrapped company. We don't have venture money or outside money. It's all

00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:29.820 Sanjay Sehgal: bootstrapped operation and but we consistently managed to grow the company all this because these people are empowered and these people really feel the company to be part of their lives and

00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:42.720 Sanjay Sehgal: Them to be part of company. And so I think that's really and that same empowerment goes down. If you empower one leader. He will empower internal power people who report to him. So it's kind of a, you know,

00:14:43.410 --> 00:14:53.520 Sanjay Sehgal: It is a chain, chain reaction with chain impact there that goes down and then everybody feels that companies as I mean if I mean for me to be managing

00:14:54.300 --> 00:15:00.990 Sanjay Sehgal: My let's say my 400 people office in Chennai, where I go once in three years or two years. I mean, that's not

00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:14.130 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, that's, I mean, but people still feel that, you know, I'm the leader. I'm the CEO of the company. And this many times you like to me when they can and everybody's open to write to me anytime anything and I do respond to everyone.

00:15:14.970 --> 00:15:24.720 Graham Dobbin: Wow. Well, after the break. Um, I know you're a great writer. I know you enjoy enjoy creating articles and giving insights and thought leadership, we're going to talk about

00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:32.760 Graham Dobbin: Some of your memories, maybe from your le le of jobs rather when you're the CEO of a global company and would also want to dig into

00:15:33.090 --> 00:15:46.710 Graham Dobbin: And this is part of the meditation that I know is very important to your life you're listening to Graham Dobbin on talk radio dot NYC will with Sanjay said gal and this is the mind behind leadership will be back right after this.

00:17:56.370 --> 00:18:12.600 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back, you're listening to the mind behind leadership with me I grim Dobbin and we are speaking with Sanjay cigar Sanjay CEO of a global company, how did all the star for what kind of memories you got from your first job.

00:18:13.170 --> 00:18:14.370 Sanjay Sehgal: That's so

00:18:14.730 --> 00:18:25.590 Sanjay Sehgal: That is very interesting, very intriguing. In fact, I was reflecting back upon that recently, you know, my first job was with a company. I will not name the company because it's still in existence.

00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:26.460 Sanjay Sehgal: New Delhi.

00:18:26.820 --> 00:18:38.460 Sanjay Sehgal: It was located in New Delhi and I had joined them in 1988 in August timeframe. I think august time. I think that was the one so I you know I kind of one incident. I was

00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:51.180 Sanjay Sehgal: reminiscing recently was that I nine o'clock used to show up there every morning and it was one of the larger one of the largest computer companies doing hardware and software and everything.

00:18:51.840 --> 00:19:02.910 Sanjay Sehgal: And I was, I used to work in their r&d department after my graduation. And I think as soon as I would show up there at nine o'clock I would see all the support staff is actually talking about

00:19:03.420 --> 00:19:13.350 Sanjay Sehgal: The menu of 9:30am D, they will be a tea break every day at 9:30am which which will have tea and some snacks. I'm Indian snacks in case you're familiar

00:19:13.650 --> 00:19:23.820 Sanjay Sehgal: baccarat samosa or one of those category type, you know, those are like some like your fritters i mean that that yeah fried stuff. I mean, fried right

00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:28.110 Graham Dobbin: Well, it's probably the most popular food in Scotland, Sanjay is Indian food, so

00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:29.880 Sanjay Sehgal: You

00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.100 Sanjay Sehgal: The most I'm sure you know samosa you know pretty well. Yeah.

00:19:35.490 --> 00:19:44.850 Sanjay Sehgal: So I think they would start talking or what is for the menu today and then nine 930 that guy would come with see and everybody would just leave their work. So nine o'clock you start working 930 you drop everything

00:19:45.120 --> 00:19:50.850 Sanjay Sehgal: And then you come there and then course you have that. And then you go back and then they start talking about 11 O'clock tea.

00:19:51.810 --> 00:19:55.980 Sanjay Sehgal: And then 11 o'clock he would come and then again everybody stops and then come there and go back

00:19:56.280 --> 00:20:05.400 Sanjay Sehgal: And then there's lunch. Of course 1230 and then four o'clock. There's a tea and some cookies. So those days. I used to think, I mean what a waste of time. These guys have nothing better to do.

00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:15.240 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, they're just kind of one after the other. They are looking forward to the next thing. Next thing. Next thing, but now recently when I was thinking about it and the positive

00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:24.960 Sanjay Sehgal: impact that it all had even now some of those people I was in that company for about a year. I still

00:20:26.040 --> 00:20:33.000 Sanjay Sehgal: Remember, and are in touch with many people who worked with me at that time, it was a, you know, community building time

00:20:34.290 --> 00:20:42.510 Sanjay Sehgal: It was a time in which created which was an equalizer. Whether you are in support. You're a junior engineer senior engineer manager director VP.

00:20:42.870 --> 00:20:56.580 Sanjay Sehgal: Everybody drop their work came to the TV station to have the samosa empty and talk to everybody and people talked about their daughters sons families. This that scooter car, whatever. Few minutes they went back

00:20:57.540 --> 00:21:06.540 Sanjay Sehgal: And they work. They came again and it created less pressure in whatever the date and the company was. I mean, it's still in existence and is one of the top most companies in India and

00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:22.200 Sanjay Sehgal: So I'm sure they did something right so I know many management consultants don't give importance they say performance and this and the company vision. And I think small acts like this 930 tea with samosa could help you build

00:21:22.230 --> 00:21:23.340 Sanjay Sehgal: Your company culture.

00:21:23.550 --> 00:21:31.260 Sanjay Sehgal: Much more than all the management books. That's why you know one thing which I recently wrote about i thought you know how

00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:43.170 Sanjay Sehgal: You don't. You never know when somebody will touch your life. And when somebody will allow you to touch their lives so such opportunities are rare when they happen take advantage of them.

00:21:45.390 --> 00:21:49.110 Graham Dobbin: I'm more than happy to have some Moses with you any time at all.

00:21:49.170 --> 00:21:51.630 Sanjay Sehgal: And as things. And as soon as they open

00:21:52.620 --> 00:22:00.090 Graham Dobbin: A central so was something that was deliberate to create the community was a tradition was done in other companies.

00:22:00.390 --> 00:22:05.670 Sanjay Sehgal: It was. I mean, it was kind of I would say was a common practice across the board.

00:22:05.970 --> 00:22:06.240 Graham Dobbin: Okay.

00:22:06.270 --> 00:22:17.010 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, almost in every company. It was not something that company did, but I am sure they did something. I don't know. I mean, I just worked there only for one year before coming over to us.

00:22:17.430 --> 00:22:32.760 Sanjay Sehgal: So I don't know how I mean this. Everybody had the same three teams or in what or same menu or different menu, but that definitely has stayed with me that memory of that tea with samosa and and chatter around it.

00:22:34.260 --> 00:22:43.110 Sanjay Sehgal: Those days. I used to hate, I just wasn't what is this, you know, I used to really feel that these guys have. They are wasting time and everything, but I think it was really important

00:22:44.100 --> 00:22:52.110 Graham Dobbin: It's interesting sent me over the last few years that the importance of community has been has been recognized and what what you're doing, obviously now.

00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:57.180 Graham Dobbin: Is probably a little, a little bit more difficult to keep that community going

00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:04.350 Graham Dobbin: But, but certainly we've got speed with lots of companies on different ideas and just how to keep people interacting, as you say,

00:23:04.830 --> 00:23:16.500 Graham Dobbin: Speaking on a personal level, not just about work not just about what's happening in the business be wanting to get to know each other really well i'm i'm curious as well.

00:23:17.730 --> 00:23:21.330 Graham Dobbin: You are a meditation teacher tutor.

00:23:21.570 --> 00:23:25.170 Sanjay Sehgal: Yes, I'm a, I'm an instructor yet trainer in tracker. Yes.

00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:37.500 Graham Dobbin: I'm totally fine meditation. How did you get into doing meditation. I've got I'm coming at this from someone who's tried it and struggles sound really intrigued.

00:23:39.330 --> 00:23:45.810 Sanjay Sehgal: So I think the struggle comes because of the myths associated with meditation.

00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:51.510 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, a common myth associated with meditation is

00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:54.930 Sanjay Sehgal: That he give you peace of mind.

00:23:56.820 --> 00:23:58.170 Sanjay Sehgal: Never give you peace of mind.

00:23:59.610 --> 00:24:01.350 Sanjay Sehgal: Peace of mind, as they say, is

00:24:03.150 --> 00:24:04.290 Sanjay Sehgal: Is an oxymoron.

00:24:05.790 --> 00:24:07.560 Sanjay Sehgal: Your mind will always be act.

00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:08.670 Graham Dobbin: Okay.

00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:18.180 Sanjay Sehgal: So people think oh I want peace I as a trainer, I can tell you, everybody who comes, here he says, I'm looking for peace of mind. I tell them, okay, you know,

00:24:18.780 --> 00:24:30.000 Sanjay Sehgal: I have a happy hour coupon for the next bar next door. Take that you have a drink on me. Go home. Don't fight with your spouse and you will have peace of mind.

00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:44.310 Sanjay Sehgal: To me peace of mind is is a wrong goal go after and that's one reason why people often struggle because mind is always going to be active. I have been doing it for 30 years, Graham.

00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:57.360 Sanjay Sehgal: And if i i i mean i don't mind admitting that even I even now when I close my eyes, my mind will have chatter my mind will have chatter, what next question you're going to throw at me.

00:24:58.290 --> 00:24:59.400 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean as an example.

00:24:59.520 --> 00:25:00.180 Sanjay Sehgal: As an example,

00:25:00.510 --> 00:25:02.250 Sanjay Sehgal: Because we exist we live in.

00:25:02.310 --> 00:25:09.870 Sanjay Sehgal: In a world and mine is is active all the time. So it's not that mind that you are trying to quite

00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:21.750 Sanjay Sehgal: Right, it is awareness. It is this something that is between your mind and the heart, the meditation I practice at the score harmfulness and, you know,

00:25:23.100 --> 00:25:31.500 Sanjay Sehgal: Easier way to understand somebody had written a book that the longest 18 inches you would ever travel from your head to the heart. Right.

00:25:32.040 --> 00:25:41.610 Sanjay Sehgal: The heart is where is the seat of your, your, your, I would say you're trying to quality your calmness, so be closer to that.

00:25:42.120 --> 00:25:53.610 Sanjay Sehgal: Right. So, move your awareness from here to here mind is what will always be active to bridge that gap, move your awareness from here to here. You can quiet in yourself.

00:25:54.300 --> 00:26:14.700 Sanjay Sehgal: And so I think that's one thing and other thing people related to that is, people think that meditation means you are thoughtless no thoughts will be there in harmfulness we bring our awareness to one thought one thought and rest on our mind or our awareness on it be with it.

00:26:15.810 --> 00:26:18.150 Sanjay Sehgal: And you find slowly you will go deeper within it.

00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:21.900 Sanjay Sehgal: And that's when meditation happens

00:26:22.950 --> 00:26:27.270 Sanjay Sehgal: And meditation happens when you and object of meditation become one.

00:26:28.560 --> 00:26:32.790 Sanjay Sehgal: So you're not. You're only trying to meditate meditation is a process that happens on its own.

00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:46.560 Sanjay Sehgal: And I think once you are doing this with with a trainer with an experienced person who can guide you through this these apps and all are good for us having a momentary

00:26:47.040 --> 00:27:08.490 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, I would say moments few moments of calmness tranquility, in your life, but not giving you a permanent state of quietness calmness or bigger goal is transformation. To me, the purpose of meditation is not just whitening trance, you know, calmness and all that.

00:27:09.510 --> 00:27:11.610 Sanjay Sehgal: But it is transformation.

00:27:13.110 --> 00:27:25.770 Sanjay Sehgal: And the transformation comes when you are able to be in that stillness of your being for a long enough time that the inner is the wire, they you know you. We all have heard this, that our

00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:43.290 Sanjay Sehgal: Conscious mind is only seven to 8% of total potential we have. So where is so the potential that is hidden within you subconscious and super countries. So that's from there, once you start tapping into those, that's when the real you comes out.

00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:53.760 Sanjay Sehgal: And I had started doing this very early in my life. Fortunately, I met someone who used to practice this in Atlanta.

00:27:54.450 --> 00:28:01.320 Sanjay Sehgal: Though we all know meditation you know most of the techniques have originated from India. But you know, I often joke about this that

00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:14.160 Sanjay Sehgal: Just they say wisdom has no original boundaries. So it's always stupidity. I mean, you know, I mean, people think all good things are good things like this come from India is not true in India. Very few people meditate.

00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.690 Sanjay Sehgal: Number of people percentage of people would be same, you know, of course, population is large.

00:28:23.190 --> 00:28:23.520 Graham Dobbin: But

00:28:23.580 --> 00:28:29.610 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, a common man there doesn't meditate, they have the same you know I can't meditate, I have too much going on in

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:43.920 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, it's the same thing. Right, and so i think it's i i found it here and I'm really thankful to that way to Atlanta and to to us that it helped me find finer things in life.

00:28:45.360 --> 00:28:54.120 Sanjay Sehgal: And they generally have started early on here. When I was a young boy and I came here and I think so. I grew up with it. I mean, my

00:28:54.840 --> 00:29:06.420 Sanjay Sehgal: Professional my personal my everything kind of grew, grew along with my with my spiritual life. I mean, they grew alongside. So I think that was a fortunate part of my journey.

00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:20.160 Graham Dobbin: So literally, this is absolutely fascinating. And after the break, I want to keep this kind of this discussion going, and just talk about your part in influencing others and teaching others how to do this.

00:29:21.270 --> 00:29:38.520 Graham Dobbin: And one of the things that they came to meet you too. Three years ago, I do some yoga at times. And when somebody said, Billy. Regardless, as a moving meditation, it can change the whole the whole approach to it. So I kind of got that gap and you've given me some hope that I might get there.

00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:47.880 Graham Dobbin: Might not be the spill your meditation. That's all we may be able to get there. My name is Graham Dobbin you're listening to the mind behind the leadership. We are having a

00:29:48.150 --> 00:29:56.160 Graham Dobbin: Fascinating conversation with Sanjay sit down this evening here on talk radio dot NYC. We'll be back right after these messages.

00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:30.450 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back, you're listening to the mind behind leadership we have Sanjay Sagal with us. And we've just been speaking about meditation and importance of it in his life Sankey. Is this something you encourage employees to do. Yeah, of course.

00:32:30.630 --> 00:32:31.440 Sanjay Sehgal: Though I

00:32:32.610 --> 00:32:39.570 Sanjay Sehgal: Am also I feel you can inspire others by doing things that inspire you.

00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:45.210 Sanjay Sehgal: So I'd rather be an example than being a guy who's

00:32:46.350 --> 00:32:47.970 Sanjay Sehgal: Telling them. So everybody

00:32:49.260 --> 00:32:58.920 Sanjay Sehgal: Knows in my company and many have chosen to do it, others and apps are waiting for something drastic to happen in their life before they do it.

00:32:59.580 --> 00:33:10.800 Sanjay Sehgal: It's all a personal choice right a personal decision and choice. They all make for me. I, I, everyone knows that I that I do and I always encourage them to do it.

00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:31.200 Sanjay Sehgal: And because I think that's to me if if someone asked me what time it has given me. It has given me an ability to look forward to living everyday, you know, a life has never been a drag ever since I've started this meditation. And so I think that's me is the biggest gift I have

00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:48.030 Sanjay Sehgal: I have given to myself. I have my family. Everybody meditates and again I have never asked anyone to meditate, but seeing the change the transformation that I've gone through over the years. They all have been inspired to do it, you know.

00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:54.660 Graham Dobbin: Sanjay, you've got a business here that's got 1000 employees worldwide, something has gone right.

00:33:56.430 --> 00:34:12.750 Graham Dobbin: He's done very well in it. So what do you think the impact on the businesses when when we involve something like that or or mindfulness or when we talk about emotional intelligence now not linking them all the same, but we're talking about the emotional part of people in the business.

00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.710 Sanjay Sehgal: Oh, absolutely. I think whether it's mindfulness or harmfulness

00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:26.730 Sanjay Sehgal: The impact that it has on on the leadership style or on the person they're all similar. I mean, I would say, right.

00:34:28.080 --> 00:34:39.750 Sanjay Sehgal: Or I of course can speak more about harmfulness it has given me the ability to lead a life which is more driven by my heart than all the calculations that I have

00:34:40.770 --> 00:34:47.370 Sanjay Sehgal: To say that the heart or any kind of meditation gives you the ability

00:34:48.690 --> 00:35:03.120 Sanjay Sehgal: Ability to think creatively and also there is a term called divergent thinking where you are able to look at all the combinations and permutations without having to go through them each one individually.

00:35:04.290 --> 00:35:16.080 Sanjay Sehgal: In other words, gut feel right or listen to your heart in heart rules we say listen to your heart, you know, my teacher in harmfulness often says heart will always tell you when you're doing something wrong.

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:26.460 Sanjay Sehgal: It will not tell you when you're doing something right. If you're breathing, you're, you know, you're eating you're talking but the moment you do something wrong.

00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:37.440 Sanjay Sehgal: You will get the signal from your heart. Now, if you have a heart for living principle in your life you will be sensitive to that and you will make the connection.

00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:46.980 Sanjay Sehgal: And that's kind of how this process works. And, you know, whether it is a business decision is a personal decision, I would say.

00:35:47.790 --> 00:36:01.950 Sanjay Sehgal: Daily Living anything that if you are driven by your heart, you know, heart is something which is there is perhaps the most I would say commonly used my heart moves. My heart says my heart does we all use it often

00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:13.950 Sanjay Sehgal: Right, yeah. But we never pay attention to develop that connection. And that's what in my understanding artfulness meditation or meditation in general could do

00:36:15.180 --> 00:36:27.090 Graham Dobbin: It said we're seeing lots of examples of companies kind of viruses just doing the right thing, not necessarily the easy thing or the thing that's most profitable but doing the right thing.

00:36:27.630 --> 00:36:38.760 Graham Dobbin: And and that kind of sounds like what you're describing is just go without without gut instinct and and we do know when we're not doing something right inside that are vital. My wife tells me

00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:41.550 Graham Dobbin: I'm not doing something right.

00:36:42.660 --> 00:36:43.050 Graham Dobbin: So,

00:36:44.310 --> 00:36:47.670 Graham Dobbin: The head and the heart. What's the difference there which

00:36:48.870 --> 00:37:00.090 Graham Dobbin: really curious because I know that, hey, this kind of leadership with the head will be the ship with the heart. So you're saying you're going with a heart, do you have to do anything in the mind to be able to do that Jeff to quieten anything and see

00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:10.440 Sanjay Sehgal: If you have to strengthen your ability to be sensitive to what your heart says to listen to what your heart says

00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:27.240 Sanjay Sehgal: If you're always let's say you're a data driven person, you always do driven by your head right and you know you're always thinking it means you are not able to sleep. To me, if you're able to sleep, and yet do the difficult things. It means you're hard to enforce

00:37:30.390 --> 00:37:30.990 Sanjay Sehgal: You know,

00:37:32.190 --> 00:37:40.110 Sanjay Sehgal: I I recently I think another thing I wrote recently about was the making of a great leader, just from my own experience.

00:37:40.710 --> 00:37:49.080 Sanjay Sehgal: That it when I started on my entrepreneur entrepreneurial journey that was about 20 years ago so 10 years I can, I was working for somebody, and then I

00:37:49.410 --> 00:38:03.600 Sanjay Sehgal: Got into an entrepreneurial journey and I, we used to go out to we were doing our first startup. It was, believe it or not, it was in 2010 one. And right after the.com bust and

00:38:04.890 --> 00:38:11.010 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, and we wanted to raise money venture money. And that was a time and everybody was losing money after the.com boom and

00:38:11.310 --> 00:38:12.690 Sanjay Sehgal: Buildings many governments down

00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:31.650 Sanjay Sehgal: And we are kind of used to go around all the VC by you know the the sand. Sand Hill Road. And what about 138 on Boston and and all that stuff. And so by my co founder, he every time he would get a rejection, he would not be able to sleep.

00:38:32.700 --> 00:38:43.110 Sanjay Sehgal: That night, and I would be fine. And next day I mean I would be frustrated disappointed, but I would sleep well. And the next morning, we, I will say, let's go to another one.

00:38:43.650 --> 00:38:48.780 Sanjay Sehgal: And he would say, I couldn't sleep. I can't function today. I said, Man, I mean, we don't have a choice. We have an appointment.

00:38:49.290 --> 00:38:58.560 Sanjay Sehgal: Is how do you do this you know you so often asked me. I mean, how do you do this. I don't know. I mean, I, you know, I mean, that to me is, that's what's the difference, you know, because you are

00:38:58.950 --> 00:39:09.630 Sanjay Sehgal: Analyzing worrying acting reacting in your head all the time. That's kind of what our life is all about. But a heart driven person or heart centered person.

00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:18.600 Sanjay Sehgal: Would you know would develop this that but I did my best is also not in my hand right so like that. There are many things which come to you naturally

00:39:18.930 --> 00:39:32.190 Sanjay Sehgal: These are not something that you read in a management management book or somebody trains you out. But you, it comes to you through your own inner self right and that's kind of how you develop over time, your leadership style.

00:39:33.450 --> 00:39:38.430 Graham Dobbin: Hi. How would you describe your leadership style. You can you can you believe about it.

00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:51.300 Sanjay Sehgal: I think I if I I had I'm as I'm kind of beginning to write my blogs and also I'm beginning to put different things in perspective so that people can understand

00:39:51.930 --> 00:40:04.980 Sanjay Sehgal: I would say it's, it is more of inclusive leadership and moral leadership and that those are the terms I have come to associate with with it the most. Now,

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:15.450 Sanjay Sehgal: And inclusive, because it is not just authoritarian and it is. It includes people other people, their ability to be able to leave their part of

00:40:16.140 --> 00:40:22.470 Sanjay Sehgal: The areas or they are part of what they feel is needs to be done and moral because it's not about titles, you know,

00:40:23.190 --> 00:40:42.570 Sanjay Sehgal: To be moral leadership comes because of the value that you bring right and not because of the title you have, again, that is kind of not authoritarian, but more of the value based value driven. So that's kind of what the, you know, I have come to label it as you

00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:53.040 Graham Dobbin: You said that you can have worked for someone for 10 years then decided you had an entrepreneurial journey. Did you just wake up one morning and go, I'm going to be an entrepreneur today what happened.

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.370 Sanjay Sehgal: I mean, it's a very good you know i mean i

00:40:57.450 --> 00:41:08.730 Sanjay Sehgal: In my immediate family, I mean when I say media family means my parents, my father and none of them had ever done any business or had me so. But my grandfather

00:41:09.990 --> 00:41:25.140 Sanjay Sehgal: Was a businessman. And actually, I mean if you since you're from Scotland. So you may not. You may know a little about the partition story of India and all that and he was one of the guys who was on the other side of India, Pakistan, which is now in Pakistan.

00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:32.880 Sanjay Sehgal: They call it West's Punjab, right. He was on that which is now part of Pakistan and he had moved over

00:41:33.270 --> 00:41:42.690 Sanjay Sehgal: To New Delhi during the time of actually just before the partition was announced, because things were already in there and he had a very tough life. He had to leave his business and everything.

00:41:43.080 --> 00:41:53.250 Sanjay Sehgal: And come here to this part as a refugee. And I remember I spent I spent my childhood in an extended family where I was quite close to my grandfather, and I know he

00:41:54.450 --> 00:42:02.370 Sanjay Sehgal: Though, even though his business were completely busted. So, but he still had money some money and used to lend some people money and

00:42:02.970 --> 00:42:06.630 Sanjay Sehgal: He would kind of that was a business. He was in right he was his own private bank.

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:22.050 Sanjay Sehgal: And so I used to go around with him. And I, I still remember a few things that I learned from him and at times I, you know, apply those in, in, in my, in my business life to once in a while, but I think that's what I kind of, that's where I

00:42:23.250 --> 00:42:36.540 Sanjay Sehgal: The early or jeans, you can say the genes were there. And I think there was a time was once I 10 years of working. I had gained enough experience. So I really wanted to try to do something on my own and it happened.

00:42:38.310 --> 00:42:41.940 Graham Dobbin: Okay. So, um, what was, what was your first venture

00:42:43.290 --> 00:42:43.710 Sanjay Sehgal: I'm sorry.

00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:45.180 Graham Dobbin: What was your first venture

00:42:45.930 --> 00:42:53.070 Sanjay Sehgal: It was called IV witty. Okay. I stood for Internet and it was by ratios, you know the speed

00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:53.850 Graham Dobbin: Yeah.

00:42:53.940 --> 00:43:07.380 Sanjay Sehgal: It was actually a very, it was a chip semiconductor device right very complex product of its kind. I mean, in those times, we are way, way ahead of our time and maybe I'll tell you a little bit more about what actually happened with that.

00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:11.730 Sanjay Sehgal: It was a very that is a story in itself.

00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:17.280 Graham Dobbin: Send you were going to go to a break in a moment. And when we come back.

00:43:18.870 --> 00:43:24.690 Graham Dobbin: I know one of the one of the other articles, you'd be looking about is is about growing up is optional.

00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:36.360 Graham Dobbin: And I'm with you with that one. And anybody that knows me will tell you the have not grown up. Yes, I really want to understand what you mean by that, and also you give me an idea of of

00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:46.050 Graham Dobbin: What your kind of label for your style of leadership, but my guess is you got lots of great leaders in your business.

00:43:46.530 --> 00:43:53.070 Graham Dobbin: And all over the world. I would love to know what you look for in people like that was kind of the trains.

00:43:53.460 --> 00:44:05.190 Graham Dobbin: To discuss that when we come back from the break, you're listening to grim dove in here on talk radio dot NYC with the mind behind leadership and near with Sanjay cigar. We'll be right back after these

00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:20.730 Graham Dobbin: Welcome back, we are speaking with Sanjay gal who is the CEO and chairman of emphasis technologies but so much more than that. We've hardly spoken business the spoken word, which is great. And one of the articles you spoke about is growing old, as men to Sri Bitcoin

00:46:22.050 --> 00:46:22.710 Graham Dobbin: is optional.

00:46:23.820 --> 00:46:24.600 Sanjay Sehgal: Yes, that's right.

00:46:25.230 --> 00:46:26.580 Sanjay Sehgal: Something I haven't

00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:35.190 Sanjay Sehgal: Released it yet I still kind of developing that idea, but I think that's, that's true. Right. I mean, growing old, is something that we all are growing old, right, I mean do grow old.

00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:36.420 Graham Dobbin: I'm trying to hide it.

00:46:36.750 --> 00:46:37.260 Yeah.

00:46:39.180 --> 00:46:48.570 Sanjay Sehgal: And but I think growing up is optional. Because it, it comes only through transformation. And I think that's the gist of the article.

00:46:49.230 --> 00:46:57.720 Sanjay Sehgal: And I think it's the idea of that I got one. You know recently my, I have a grown up, son. He just graduated from Georgia Tech and

00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:07.290 Sanjay Sehgal: He started working at one of the big force here in Atlanta CDC happens to be his client. By the way, I know CDC is in news or everyday these days.

00:47:08.220 --> 00:47:20.220 Sanjay Sehgal: And one day he was telling me that I think he you know when he he was missing. Missing in school and college days that they are you know you study and, you know, at the end of your studies.

00:47:20.670 --> 00:47:31.410 Sanjay Sehgal: You have exam and based on the grades you get even adjust how much you study more or less in the next exam. And he said, but here at workplace he feels that he's being watched all the time.

00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:38.940 Sanjay Sehgal: Because every meeting after every meeting his supervisor will tell him, or this was not right. He shouldn't have done this, you shouldn't have said this.

00:47:39.270 --> 00:47:48.630 Sanjay Sehgal: He said, I mean, and he has no chance but no time. I mean to fix those things sometimes in the middle of the meeting, they will interrupt and say, don't do this or do this.

00:47:49.050 --> 00:47:55.770 Sanjay Sehgal: And he feels that he's kind of you know that if you've heard of that concept of observer paradox. I mean, he's being

00:47:56.520 --> 00:48:05.250 Sanjay Sehgal: He's being watched all the time. So he's really conscious of that. And he says, so he has lost his freedom. I mean, he can't adjust because he can't build himself.

00:48:06.090 --> 00:48:25.980 Sanjay Sehgal: For the exam. And then, you know, so I of course that I was thinking more about it. There's a deeper thing here as we grow, grow up. Growing up to me means where you have freedom, only to do the right things, if that makes sense, right, you have freedom.

00:48:27.060 --> 00:48:34.740 Sanjay Sehgal: That freedom comes with discipline, basically. Okay. And I think that is what growing up is all about.

00:48:35.640 --> 00:48:55.380 Sanjay Sehgal: And till we all learn that. And that whole observer paradox you rise above that being watched, to being observed. And it's not something that I mean we we all don't learn to do so. But that's, I think, those who are able to do that they are able to grow up in a better way.

00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:08.040 Sanjay Sehgal: You know having the freedom to do the right thing. Yeah, earlier you have freedom only somebody tells you what the end result has to be here. Nobody tells you, or they tell you all the time as you think.

00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:16.260 Graham Dobbin: And if we're growing up in the right way and learning and applying yourself where we're giving yourself more of an opportunity to make the right decisions.

00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.850 Sanjay Sehgal: Absolutely, yes.

00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:30.990 Graham Dobbin: So what do you look for. We said this, just before the break. What do you look for in a leader when you're hiring when you're at when you're developing people within the organization. What do you personally for

00:49:31.620 --> 00:49:43.170 Sanjay Sehgal: So I think I many of the things that I have said, I do look for people. For me, the first important quality in a leader is that he shouldn't have.

00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:50.010 Sanjay Sehgal: You shouldn't let the attitude of being a victim drown him.

00:49:52.290 --> 00:50:04.290 Sanjay Sehgal: And it's all we know people get defensive people get, you know, I am the victim. I'm you know everybody's after me and everybody's this right and that to me is number one thing for a leader.

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:12.030 Sanjay Sehgal: The leader to me is, you know, some people say leaders are born or leaders are made to me leaders are liberated from within.

00:50:13.230 --> 00:50:14.310 Sanjay Sehgal: By drowning. The victim.

00:50:15.660 --> 00:50:15.990 You know,

00:50:17.070 --> 00:50:31.800 Sanjay Sehgal: And and the ones the victim within them that the whole world is against me. I didn't get this opportunity. I've already gotten old I didn't get to start this billion dollar company. I didn't. I mean, you know, as long as you are in that victim mentality. You can never be a leader.

00:50:34.470 --> 00:50:44.580 Sanjay Sehgal: So number one thing is a person should not feel that he is victim of anything, you should be able to liberate that leader within him.

00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:46.740 Sanjay Sehgal: And drown the victim.

00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:48.930 So, so

00:50:50.100 --> 00:51:02.340 Graham Dobbin: Successful. I'm curious just about that because it's an it's an intriguing phrase I driving the victim if someone's managed to do that as a something that you see in the music is that, is there some action that you go

00:51:03.180 --> 00:51:07.740 Graham Dobbin: They've got it isn't an approach that they've got. How do you know that they've got a way

00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.990 Sanjay Sehgal: Approach, I think, how they approach things

00:51:10.050 --> 00:51:20.700 Sanjay Sehgal: Okay, if they are always looking for others consent. It's a, it's also depending upon i mean that the growing up is also the same thing if you see, have they grown up.

00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:30.720 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, and because the distinction between a person who is not yet grown and person grown it. Are you looking for validation from others.

00:51:32.100 --> 00:51:38.130 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, and if you're looking for validation from others, you don't get it, you feel your victim. Right. So you see how they are related.

00:51:38.670 --> 00:51:45.270 Sanjay Sehgal: Right grown person would never be looking for consent or validation, he would have that value that's

00:51:46.140 --> 00:51:53.880 Sanjay Sehgal: within himself to be able to do right, wrong, of course. Then comes the next thing. Now does he have the subject matter expertise. Does he have the

00:51:54.750 --> 00:52:05.280 Sanjay Sehgal: Ability to work hard and things like i mean you know sincerity and ability to include others in this decision making. Right. And I look at, I think, is he able to manage his peers.

00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:08.310 Sanjay Sehgal: Not people who report to him.

00:52:09.630 --> 00:52:12.780 Sanjay Sehgal: Or manage his peers. To me, that's very important.

00:52:14.010 --> 00:52:27.030 Sanjay Sehgal: And, you know, if you're if you're able to do that, then I think it's you, you can, you know, everything else is because people who report to you in a typical structure of an organization, they will, of course, look up to you all the time.

00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:36.660 Sanjay Sehgal: But your peers are important and that's where your ability to not be a good leader, be a grown up person will shine.

00:52:38.520 --> 00:52:43.590 Graham Dobbin: So do you encourage them to utilize this community spirit will be spoke about

00:52:44.790 --> 00:52:46.260 Graham Dobbin: So how does that come through.

00:52:47.010 --> 00:53:08.700 Sanjay Sehgal: So every time I you know I usually travel to mean mostly to India or and Bay Area California prior to pre covered. I know I have a term for this I say the new definition of Graham new definition of BC and AD before Corona, and after the disappearance of corona.

00:53:10.170 --> 00:53:11.640 Sanjay Sehgal: The definition will change, you know,

00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:21.540 Sanjay Sehgal: Meaning if a few years or few months down the road will say before corona. I used to do this. And now I do that a so BC in the BC Hera

00:53:22.350 --> 00:53:30.120 Sanjay Sehgal: I used to travel in DC. I used to travel to Bay Area every month California every month and India every quarter.

00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:40.200 Sanjay Sehgal: And I would create that community building among all the, I would say not just my staff. I mean, all the VPN, but even down one level.

00:53:40.620 --> 00:53:48.480 Sanjay Sehgal: And, you know, bring them together for a couple of days, we would have some offside meetings. And since you know I you know I meditate and

00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:59.670 Sanjay Sehgal: Our, our headquarter of this meditation artfulness is in India. It's in Hyderabad and it was inaugurated incidentally got inaugurated in February.

00:54:00.060 --> 00:54:05.610 Sanjay Sehgal: So I had big plans of doing my next set of offsides always in that retreat setting.

00:54:06.390 --> 00:54:14.850 Sanjay Sehgal: You know that people will come there that we have a very nice rest house there and the people entire team will come here will spend two, three days.

00:54:15.270 --> 00:54:23.460 Sanjay Sehgal: And, you know, just going through company strategy bring families and being that community. And so that people really enjoy each other's company and ultimately Tate

00:54:24.540 --> 00:54:24.750 Graham Dobbin: Yeah.

00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.870 Sanjay Sehgal: Of course I am looking forward to doing that in AD.

00:54:28.620 --> 00:54:32.400 Graham Dobbin: So that's up to them, We just don't know when that is

00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:39.210 Graham Dobbin: Essentially you bring up the community thing and just how you how you're doing that with your team know we had

00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:53.790 Graham Dobbin: We had a guest on about two weeks ago. Mike Macedonia here is just above this barrier is in Santa Rosa. One of the things he does with all his teams. Is he brings them back to his house and they have a family meal.

00:54:54.420 --> 00:55:03.060 Graham Dobbin: With the trick is they need to cook it, nobody told me that when i when i you know you're handed a knife and some vegetables or something and it's it's phenomenal.

00:55:03.540 --> 00:55:13.050 Graham Dobbin: phenomenal experience. And we've got a couple of minutes to go, that this has morning Sanjay quick one. Is there anything that jumps to mind that you would do differently.

00:55:15.630 --> 00:55:21.660 Sanjay Sehgal: You know, I tell you, I, I often think about this. Do I have any regrets.

00:55:23.070 --> 00:55:27.660 Sanjay Sehgal: And I know however hard i think i feel i don't

00:55:29.370 --> 00:55:37.770 Sanjay Sehgal: And if and I feel if one is able to lead a life of no regrets that could be the most peaceful life you've read

00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:48.870 Sanjay Sehgal: And it's not that. Oh, now I would do those things differently as I know much better now. But what I knew at that time I did my best.

00:55:50.250 --> 00:56:00.180 Sanjay Sehgal: If one is able to either lead a life like that or reconcile that he led a life like that. I think that is the most peaceful way of living your life.

00:56:02.040 --> 00:56:11.700 Graham Dobbin: I'm, is that something just, you know, finally, is that something that you hope your leaders can do so they can make good decisions that there's not that hang on, hang on something else.

00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:20.640 Sanjay Sehgal: Absolutely not only leaders. I mean, I wish the entire humanity can they can live their life like that. I think we would be in a much better place.

00:56:20.850 --> 00:56:37.260 Graham Dobbin: And that we can be in complete agreement and Sanjay, it's been an absolute pleasure I am. I'm going to do this because I am desperate for you to come back and tell us about your first venture and everything else has happened and all these other things that you do that philanthropy.

00:56:38.490 --> 00:56:44.610 Graham Dobbin: Everything else. So I'd love to have you back on. But thank you so much for your time, your insights and

00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:57.570 Graham Dobbin: Your unique way of just even explaining harmfulness and meditation and how that's impacted the business. I'm sure many people who have taken a lot from from this evening. So thank you very much for your time.

00:56:58.080 --> 00:56:59.130 Sanjay Sehgal: Thanks for having me, Graham.

00:56:59.670 --> 00:57:09.750 Graham Dobbin: Are you listening to the mind behind leadership with me. Graham Dobbin here live on talk radio dot NYC we've been speaking to Sangeeta gal. We'll see you next week. Thank you.

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