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2024/03/05 - How to Stay on Track in Your Career Growth in the Face of Obstacles and Uncertainties

[NEW EPISODE] How to Stay on Track in Your Career Growth in the Face of Obstacles and Uncertainties

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The audience will learn Tammy Gooler Loeb's "C.E.O. of Your Career" framework to grow a sustainable career through an employment marketplace that requires us to be more fluid, flexible and creative. (C = Be Curious; E = Be Engaged; O = Take Ownership). 

We spend a lot of time at work, more than we do with our families, sleeping, or in other important areas of our lives. As we are living longer, many of us are working later in life too. We have invested significant resources and made sacrifices to meet our highest professional goals. Yet, our expectations of how our careers would advance have not always aligned with what we anticipated. Tammy will share strategies to help you stay on track as obstacles and opportunities show up in your career while serving the needs of the organization and your growth. We will define what it means to effectively take an inside-out approach to your career so that you are feeling clear and confident about your professional advancement and direction.

Tammy Gooler Loeb is the author of Work from the Inside Out: Break Through Nine Common Obstacles and Design a Career That Fulfills You. She is a career and executive leadership coach, speaker and facilitator with expertise in career transitions, workplace communication and leadership development. During her two plus decades in business, Tammy has worked with clients across a wide array sectors and industries. Since 2018, Tammy has hosted a podcast, Work from the Inside Out, which showcases the fascinating journeys of people who developed meaningful and satisfying careers. Her expertise has appeared in Forbes, Fast Company, The Boston Globe, Harvard Business Review Ascend, US News and World Report, and Newsweek. Tammy holds a B.A. in Psychology from Hampshire College, Amherst, MA, an MBA from Boston University, and is a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach from the Co-Active Training Institute, an International Coach Federation (ICF) accredited coaching certification program.

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Show Notes

Segment  1

In the first part, Dr. Brancu introduced the guest and talked a bit about their background. Tammy Gooler Loeb explained why she chose to enter the coaching field and when she realized she wanted to become a coach. She mentioned working in college admissions and the career resource center, where she became fascinated with helping people as she worked more with them. This led her to her interest in coaching, where she could learn about individuals and their needs. After working in mental health and noticing issues with funding, she shifted to public policy. While working in the mayor's office and gaining experience in grant writing and public service, she discovered that she preferred working directly with people rather than in policy. She realized this after trying different roles in various places.

Segment 2

The next section went over the idea of career paths taking unexpected turns, and whether it's better to let them unfold naturally or to plan them strategically. Tammy emphasized the importance of personal values in our careers, using her own value of helping people as an example. She highlighted how many people may feel they're in the wrong field or company if their job doesn't align with their values, leading to doubts about their career choice. This led to the concept of "context," suggesting that while your career choice might be right, your work environment can influence your perspective. Essentially, changing your environment can change how you feel about your career. Moreover, there's often a stigma around quitting mid-career or mid-schooling, but it actually takes self-awareness and bravery to recognize when a change is needed for your happiness and fulfillment.

Segment 3

It's crucial to embrace the "Inside-Out" technique, which involves tuning into your inner voice or intuition to guide your decisions and pursuits. Our instincts are often reliable in steering us in the right direction. Conversely, the "outside-in" approach entails relying on the perceptions and opinions of others, such as parents or grandparents, particularly when it comes to significant life choices. For instance, they may advocate for a specific path to success or suggest focusing on strengths for career choices. While feedback can be valuable, establishing boundaries and discerning when to prioritize your intuition over external input are essential for fostering satisfaction and happiness.

Segment 4

In the final segment, Tammy outlined her framework for thoughts, her book, and her overall insights, particularly focusing on what it means to "Be the CEO of your career." According to her, the "C" represents curiosity, the "E" signifies engagement, and the "O" denotes taking ownership. Drawing from her 25 years of coaching and the interviews conducted for her book, Tammy observed that individuals who experienced the most satisfying changes approached them gradually, not overnight, and with genuine curiosity. Being engaged involves more than just networking; it requires following through, asking probing questions, and seeking information to facilitate personal growth. Lastly, Tammy emphasized the importance of taking ownership of our careers. In conclusion, she directed listeners to her website for further resources, including her work and podcast. 


00:00:51.850 --> 00:01:00.399 Mira Brancu: welcome to the hard skills show with me, Dr. Mira Bronku. And today's guest, Tammy Gueller, lo!

00:01:00.490 --> 00:01:13.080 Mira Brancu: And we'll be talking with her on how to stay on track in your career growth in the face of obstacles and uncertainties which I think, is just so needed as a topic right now. People are.

00:01:13.160 --> 00:01:34.329 Mira Brancu: I don't know. Our careers are completely being upended. Like crazy. There's so many more options these days than ever before. And yet We feel like we're sort of constantly afloat. Not having a path. And so Tammy is here to help us think about that in very strategic ways, because

00:01:34.510 --> 00:01:55.709 Mira Brancu: we are in our season, 3 of our strategic leadership pathway model that we talk about on the hard skills. And that is mapping a strategy. Right? So she's gonna really help us with that great to have you on, Tammy. Thank you, Mirren so excited to be here with you.

00:01:55.870 --> 00:02:11.380 Mira Brancu: Yeah, me, too. So as a reminder on this show, we discuss how to develop the nuanced hard skills. They're not soft people, hard skills needed to drive significant systemic change, to make a real impact for your leadership.

00:02:11.390 --> 00:02:21.410 Mira Brancu: Be ready. Take notes. I always do reflect deeply and identify at least one small step to further develop your heart skills muscle based on what Tammy shares with us.

00:02:21.470 --> 00:02:29.099 Mira Brancu: So a little bit about our guest. Today. Tammy is the author of work from the inside out.

00:02:29.220 --> 00:02:34.209 Mira Brancu: break through 9 common obstacles and design a career that fulfills you.

00:02:34.330 --> 00:02:48.960 Mira Brancu: She's a career and executive leadership coach, a speaker, a facilitator with expertise and career transitions, workplace, communication and leadership development with over 20 years in business, across a wide array of sectors and industries.

00:02:49.330 --> 00:02:54.989 Mira Brancu: She is also the host of the work from the inside out, podcast

00:02:55.030 --> 00:02:57.079 Mira Brancu: same name as her book.

00:02:57.100 --> 00:03:13.910 Mira Brancu: nice right, and on that podcast, she showcases the fascinating journeys of people who develop meaningful and satisfying careers. So really go listen and and hear about inspiring stories to get inspiration for yourself as well.

00:03:14.030 --> 00:03:15.780 Mira Brancu: She has appeared

00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:25.809 Mira Brancu: in Forbes Bass Company, the Boston Globe, Harvard Business Review. Ascend US. News and World Report, and Newsweek.

00:03:25.970 --> 00:03:33.669 Mira Brancu: Tammy also has an Mba. From Boston University, and is a certified professional, coactive coach.

00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:36.510 Mira Brancu: That's a lot of experience, folks.

00:03:38.590 --> 00:03:42.620 Mira Brancu: So Tammy fun icebreaker question.

00:03:43.050 --> 00:03:46.140 Mira Brancu: When was the first time

00:03:46.310 --> 00:03:54.730 Mira Brancu: that you felt a magical alignment between your career and your interests, or energy or personality.

00:03:57.050 --> 00:04:08.619 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I would say, my first job out of college. I like to. Yeah, II had a I had a job in community mental health

00:04:08.760 --> 00:04:17.410 Tammy Gooler Loeb: out of college. I was fascinated by the mental health field at the time, and

00:04:18.140 --> 00:04:37.239 Tammy Gooler Loeb: really was intrigued by the clients. I was work I was working in in the community with adults who had many of whom had been institutionalized the better part of their adult lives, and we were working to help them assimilate into the community.

00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:39.120 And

00:04:39.270 --> 00:04:41.099 Tammy Gooler Loeb: II just was

00:04:41.140 --> 00:04:52.680 Tammy Gooler Loeb: fascinated by how resilient some of these folks were, and how they were really trying to build lives for themselves in the community after having lived in.

00:04:52.770 --> 00:04:57.660 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you know, very restrictive environments for some, some of them for decades.

00:04:57.850 --> 00:05:14.709 Mira Brancu: And it was. It was really was tough work. I you know it was. I did it for just a few years, but but there were moments where it just was. II could tell. It's just like this is exactly where I want to be, and what it. What made it feel so right for you?

00:05:15.820 --> 00:05:23.300 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I think because for the same reason, actually, that I feel so right about being a coach now.

00:05:23.630 --> 00:05:26.680 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and that is that when

00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:40.560 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I could really reach somebody, and they felt I could tell they felt, heard, and seen. and that that really contributed to them, being able to take the next steps in their lives and really

00:05:40.870 --> 00:05:42.320 Tammy Gooler Loeb: feel more.

00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:49.710 Tammy Gooler Loeb: really feel more ownership, more empowered to to take the next steps, maybe even take some risks

00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:55.090 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and do things in their lives. They hadn't done before, or hadn't done in a long time.

00:05:55.230 --> 00:05:59.760 Tammy Gooler Loeb: so that that was a big piece of it was to

00:06:00.350 --> 00:06:02.879 Tammy Gooler Loeb: help them boost their confidence.

00:06:03.950 --> 00:06:06.520 Mira Brancu: Yeah, and I'm hearing that.

00:06:06.550 --> 00:06:15.479 Mira Brancu: you know. Some of it is alignment with your own interests and what excites you? But there's also what you find, meaning

00:06:15.570 --> 00:06:30.159 Mira Brancu: again, how you find meaning in your own work, and how you feel like you made a contribution, and in that situation it was all about feeling like you were helping people feel heard and seen, and that was, you know a a deep sense of meaning, I would guess.

00:06:31.070 --> 00:06:47.430 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Yeah, absolutely. And because I had the chance to develop some one on one relationships with the folks I was working with there. I think that was for some of them. That was that was kind of a big deal, because they had been.

00:06:47.700 --> 00:07:00.850 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I mean, for for lack of a better way to depict it. They they were somewhat warehoused for a long time, and it's not that they were treated horribly in the hospital that they were in

00:07:00.910 --> 00:07:02.420 Tammy Gooler Loeb: but

00:07:02.470 --> 00:07:14.139 Tammy Gooler Loeb: it it it was a very, you know, regimented kind of routine life, and you know, for some of them it was a big, big, you know, enormous adjustment to live in the community

00:07:14.460 --> 00:07:21.390 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and to get to know themselves in that way. And so II was really delighted to be a part of that.

00:07:21.510 --> 00:07:24.150 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and to help them find their way.

00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.319 Mira Brancu: Yeah. Yeah. And so then,

00:07:27.630 --> 00:07:34.750 Mira Brancu: I'm sure people will wonder, how did you get from that career which you did find meaning

00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:36.929 Mira Brancu: right? And you were connected?

00:07:36.980 --> 00:07:55.850 Mira Brancu: How did you then sort of move from that place to what you do now? And did you apply some of your own sort of strategies around thinking about your career, or like, how did you even come to this, this interest area where you are right now. Yeah. So

00:07:55.990 --> 00:08:04.699 Tammy Gooler Loeb: going going backwards for just a moment when when I was an undergrad, one of my on campus jobs

00:08:04.850 --> 00:08:24.429 Tammy Gooler Loeb: was in the career center at school. II you know, unlike some people who, you know, probably, you know, would work in the the school dining commons, or the dishroom, or something for their work. Study my work, study jobs where I did actually work in the dishroom a little, but

00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:33.610 Tammy Gooler Loeb: but my work study jobs. I was very strategic about where I worked. I worked in the Admissions office

00:08:33.890 --> 00:08:38.089 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and I worked in the Career resource center

00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:51.549 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and II had a chance to talk to people both. II got to do by my second year. There I was doing prospective student interviews and meeting with families

00:08:51.850 --> 00:09:08.360 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and and then in the career center, I was talking to students about what their plans were for going forward, whether they were trying to find internships or thinking about grad school, and I loved just helping people think about what their next steps were

00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:13.530 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and what was gonna be a good fit for them. And so

00:09:13.850 --> 00:09:38.080 Tammy Gooler Loeb: a friend of mine actually said to me when I became a coach, she said, Oh, this is perfect for you, because you just love to tell people what to do with their lives. But it's not that I want to tell anyone what to do with their lives. I want them to find their own way. But I love hearing what you know, what makes people tick, what what makes them happy and fulfilled and satisfied.

00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:43.339 and then helping them think through. Well, what? What are some ways to to get there.

00:09:43.450 --> 00:09:48.699 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you know, and also pay the bills and do all the other things that you know have to happen.

00:09:48.710 --> 00:10:04.510 Tammy Gooler Loeb: So that was in my blood already. And when, you know, after a few years working in community mental health. I you know, I started looking at things bigger picture more systemically, and I saw that

00:10:04.620 --> 00:10:06.979 Tammy Gooler Loeb: things were very poorly funded.

00:10:07.880 --> 00:10:27.030 Tammy Gooler Loeb: that some of these folks were really going to struggle living in the community, and that the supports really weren't there for them. And it it really started to take a toll on me. And II started to think that I needed to do something at a different level. So I thought, Well, I'm gonna go into public policy.

00:10:27.150 --> 00:10:45.319 Tammy Gooler Loeb: II have to figure out who's making these decisions? Who's deciding what happens with these people's lives? Because they were, they were totally dependent on on public funds to support them. They were all living on some kind of disability benefits. A couple of the folks we worked with.

00:10:45.320 --> 00:11:00.769 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Actually, we're able to get jobs and and start to support themselves, but most of them have been institutionalized for such a long time. It was, and and some of them were elderly. So they were, you know. They weren't at a point where they were gonna start developing a career.

00:11:00.850 --> 00:11:07.650 Tammy Gooler Loeb:  so and and some of our folks were quite mentally ill and weren't

00:11:07.820 --> 00:11:10.130 Tammy Gooler Loeb: going to be able to function in that way.

00:11:10.530 --> 00:11:29.069 Tammy Gooler Loeb: So I said, think I think I need to. I was living in the western part of Massachusetts in a smaller town. I thought, I think I need to go to the State capital and get a job where I can start to understand who's making these decisions. How do they get made? How do policies get made?

00:11:29.180 --> 00:11:32.689 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And all of that? So I moved to Boston, and

00:11:33.490 --> 00:11:43.840 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the rest, as they say, is history, because I never left. And II did get a job working actually in the mayor's office in Boston, and did work on all kinds of

00:11:44.060 --> 00:11:47.110 human services, homelessness.

00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:53.370 Tammy Gooler Loeb: poverty, public health policies, and all kinds of things, and it was quite the education.

00:11:53.590 --> 00:12:00.440 Mira Brancu: I bet. That's so interesting. So how did you then make the leap from

00:12:00.630 --> 00:12:03.900 Mira Brancu: policy. 2

00:12:04.430 --> 00:12:15.409 Mira Brancu: coaching, correct coaching. So II actually there wasn't. There was a little bit of a detour from there. Part of the work that I did when I was in the mayor's office was

00:12:15.800 --> 00:12:28.339 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I also did a lot of. I worked with a lot of other people. We wrote some very, very large grants to bring in Federal dollars into the city, mostly to to build up

00:12:28.420 --> 00:12:35.930 Tammy Gooler Loeb: services for the homeless pop. We got a lot of money. At that time Boston was really

00:12:36.310 --> 00:12:45.790 Tammy Gooler Loeb:  They were really shining a light on on Boston across the country. and so we we

00:12:45.890 --> 00:12:57.889 Tammy Gooler Loeb: it was was really interesting, but I learned how to do a lot of grant writing. So I did. I did sort of take a little bit of a detour into fundraising for a while. I also got my MBA. At that time.

00:12:58.170 --> 00:13:04.539 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and so that that was sort of a precursor to going into coaching. And I went into coaching.

00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.550 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I think because after doing fundraising for a while.

00:13:08.680 --> 00:13:15.880 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I realized I really need to get back into working directly with people. I was really missing that, and fundraising

00:13:16.030 --> 00:13:19.970 Tammy Gooler Loeb: was really not my thing. But you know.

00:13:20.010 --> 00:13:26.570 Mira Brancu: I found that out. Yeah, well, I think this is helpful for people to hear, because a lot of people think

00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:40.670 Mira Brancu: that if I was strategic and intentional my career would be lock step. One thing would lead to the next will lead to the next, and it's all very clear, and that is not true.

00:13:40.740 --> 00:13:51.810 Mira Brancu: The reality is that most careers are like Tammi's. They zig zag all over the place. It does not mean you're not being strategic and intentional and thoughtful.

00:13:51.880 --> 00:13:55.670 Mira Brancu: Sometimes it does, but it doesn't necessarily

00:13:55.680 --> 00:14:18.309 Mira Brancu: always mean that sometimes you are you know, really focused on what makes the most logical. Next step for me, based on what I've learned so far, and it does lead you in directions that somehow are interesting sometimes. How the sort of circle closes over here. Right? Once

00:14:18.380 --> 00:14:35.120 Mira Brancu: we're reaching a an add break when we come back. Let's explore that a little bit more about the zigzaggy versus direct nature of career. You know, decision making after the outbreak, you're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mirabanku and our guest.

00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:49.660 Mira Brancu: Tammyguller Loeb. We air on Tuesdays at 5 Pm. Eastern time. If you'd like to join our online audience right now, live and ask questions that we can answer in real time. You can find us on Linkedin or Youtube

00:14:49.750 --> 00:14:56.250 Mira Brancu: Talkradio, Nyc, you can also find us on Facebook, and we'll be right back with our guests in just a moment.

00:16:40.570 --> 00:16:42.220 And

00:17:08.750 --> 00:17:26.950 Mira Brancu: Welcome back to the hard skills with me. Dr. Mira Branku and our guest, tammy gulp and where we left off before the ad break is around careers, sometimes feeling zig zaggy more often than not. But you can still

00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:28.469 Mira Brancu: make them

00:17:28.520 --> 00:17:36.049 Mira Brancu: strategic and thoughtful. So I'm wondering from your perspective, Tammy, what are the kinds of things that

00:17:36.120 --> 00:17:48.469 Mira Brancu: can either cause us to derail? So the zig zag is totally off and not going in the right direction. It's not. It's not a good sign. But and when do we know that the zigzaggy stuff

00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:51.400 Mira Brancu: is actually not a problem.

00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.450 Mira Brancu: because we are going in the right direction. It is thoughtful. It's it's strategic. How do we know

00:17:57.260 --> 00:18:01.490 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I love the way you ask that question.

00:18:01.630 --> 00:18:04.010 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and it it helps me to give you a

00:18:04.040 --> 00:18:07.730 Tammy Gooler Loeb: a very straightforward answer. I think.

00:18:09.260 --> 00:18:17.079 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the word values comes to mind. I think that when we are clear about what are core values are.

00:18:17.090 --> 00:18:22.290 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And I know that that's a term that a lot of us coaches throw around a lot, you know.

00:18:22.490 --> 00:18:47.170 Tammy Gooler Loeb:  but what I mean by that is, and I can even use my own story as an example. So I had a really a core value around being of service, helping people that never stopped, no matter what I was doing, even though it looked like I zigzagged. There was a common thread that went through everything I did in my career, so I never felt like I was zigzagging

00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:55.640 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I felt that I was on track, but where the situations that I got into, and different roles.

00:18:55.940 --> 00:19:04.980 Tammy Gooler Loeb: there were elements of those roles that really did deviate from my values. So, for example, and this is where where it happens with a lot of people.

00:19:05.150 --> 00:19:08.640 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Sometimes it can get very confusing. So

00:19:08.830 --> 00:19:18.760 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you can be in in a job. Or maybe you know it's something you studied for for years, and you start to question, did I make the right choice? Am I on the right path?

00:19:19.210 --> 00:19:27.529 Tammy Gooler Loeb: It could be that you are, that you made the right choice. But perhaps you're in an organization where the leadership culture, or the

00:19:27.540 --> 00:19:45.499 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the general working culture is not a good fit with you because it doesn't match up well with your general working style, or and I say your values, because there are things like the ways in which, let's say, you like to work, or the ways you like to collaborate, or

00:19:45.540 --> 00:20:08.860 Tammy Gooler Loeb: have some autonomy, or how many people leave a job, not because they didn't like the work, but because they really didn't like working under a particular boss, or there were decisions being made above them that they didn't have a voice in, and they have a strong value for being able to

00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:17.470 Tammy Gooler Loeb: a role and share their voice. So that's what I mean by values is, you know, especially when you reach a certain point in your career.

00:20:17.530 --> 00:20:38.929 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Most people, if they've risen up through to a certain level, they want to feel that they have something to say that they will be heard. And there are lots of cases where I've seen where that doesn't happen, and people are going to want to make a move away from that, and be in a situation where they can really contribute in a way that really suits them

00:20:39.370 --> 00:20:42.690 Tammy Gooler Loeb: far better, and where they can really make a contribution.

00:20:42.950 --> 00:21:03.199 Tammy Gooler Loeb: So it may be that they made a good choice in terms of a path. But the actual organization or or the people they're working with is not a good fit. And there's there's tons of evidence that that shows that that's true, that most people who leave a job. Don't leave the job. They're leaving the culture or the boss, and I can say that

00:21:03.260 --> 00:21:18.540 Tammy Gooler Loeb: that that was true for me. In some cases, while I got a ton of amazing experience in the 4 years that I was in the mayor's office in Boston, and I made, you know, amazing relationships and connections. And

00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:29.979 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the experience was incredible. It was also a very, very cutthroat political environment, because we were in the middle of elections all the time.

00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:58.429 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and we were. There was a lot of pressure to get involved in elections, and there was a lot of a lot of heavy duty power dynamics, and I hated that I didn't mind. I didn't mind elections, but I minded the the power dynamics, and there were individuals who really played those up. And then there were others who didn't. And so, after 4 years of of that kind of dynamic, I said, I think I'm done here.

00:21:58.580 --> 00:22:06.640 Mira Brancu: and that's and that's really that that did not match with my values. After a while I appreciate that.

00:22:07.260 --> 00:22:13.800 Mira Brancu: we wanna, sort of separate out values from context. Right? So when the context

00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:25.899 Mira Brancu: does not allow you to play out fully your values. It might not be that you're on the wrong path. It might be the context. I remember early in my career.

00:22:25.910 --> 00:22:32.260 Mira Brancu: you know, I was a school counselor at the elementary school level, and I felt like something was off.

00:22:32.310 --> 00:22:43.440 Mira Brancu: and I decided to just like up and leave the entire profession. I was like, let me just try a different context. Let me try high school. Maybe it's each right. So I sort of explored

00:22:43.600 --> 00:22:45.800 Mira Brancu: a couple of different avenues.

00:22:45.810 --> 00:22:54.750 Mira Brancu: Changing the age, changing the type of school, the, you know, a location. There's a lot you can change to figure out is this

00:22:54.910 --> 00:23:03.240 Tammy Gooler Loeb: of, you know, not values aligned? Is it? Context? What is this? Right? Right? Absolutely. It's an excellent point.

00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:20.710 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And you know, especially when you've you've prepared, you know, so thoroughly for a particular type of work. and your heart's in it in so many ways your heart and your intellect right? And so, yeah, you wanna really give yourself some time to kind of

00:23:21.020 --> 00:23:33.490 Tammy Gooler Loeb: really unpack it and figure out what? What are the things about this that that are just not. It's not feeling right, you know. Sometimes it's hard when you're in the middle of it, to put your fingers on it.

00:23:33.930 --> 00:23:47.530 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And sometimes it does feel right for a period of time. And then something changes that that we hear about that kind of thing all the time, right? Like there's a change in leadership, or there's a change in something else. So

00:23:47.730 --> 00:23:52.099 Mira Brancu: yes, and absolutely. And what's coming up also for me?

00:23:52.180 --> 00:23:53.600 Mira Brancu: Is

00:23:54.070 --> 00:24:09.119 Mira Brancu:  I remember in my PC program. You know, somebody had put in all of their heart and soul, and, you know, like, was in the PC. Program for quite a while, and sort of at the

00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:13.219 Mira Brancu: very tail end. she said. You know what

00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:18.330 Mira Brancu: I've been thinking about this for a really long time. This is not the right path for me.

00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:33.790 Mira Brancu: and she dropped out of the PC program. Now, here's here's what comes up for me when I think about that for me. I really admired that the sort of incredible self awareness that she had to make

00:24:33.910 --> 00:24:40.500 Mira Brancu: what is nearly an impossible decision for most people to make, because

00:24:40.730 --> 00:24:42.780 Mira Brancu: you, you know.

00:24:42.820 --> 00:24:45.510 Mira Brancu: are so focused on

00:24:45.560 --> 00:24:51.510 Mira Brancu: achieving the original goal that you set out for yourself to at the expense of

00:24:51.590 --> 00:24:59.549 Mira Brancu: even like questioning whether this is still the right path. 4 years later, right? And most people judge that

00:24:59.620 --> 00:25:11.040 Mira Brancu: most of us will judge that decision or will give a global negative attribute. Oh, she couldn't cut it, or whatever it is, or

00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:16.709 Mira Brancu: we we have. We have a society of. We don't quit right, but sometimes

00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:18.140 Mira Brancu: it's not

00:25:18.390 --> 00:25:25.759 Mira Brancu: a label that is appropriate for that kind of decision you're not quitting when you're realizing it's the wrong path.

00:25:25.830 --> 00:25:29.420 Mira Brancu: just like your your sort of reaction or thoughts. To that.

00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:43.790 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Yeah, no, II love. I love that story because it could have gone either way. It could have gone that she just decided to stop and and figure out what she wanted. And I've heard other stories like this, too.

00:25:43.860 --> 00:25:49.009 And then there are people who said, look. I've come this far. I might as well finish it out.

00:25:49.310 --> 00:26:08.650 Tammy Gooler Loeb: III feel that I owe that to myself to finish this and get the degree. But I know that I'm not gonna pursue work in this area. But I'll be proud that I finished. So there's a value there again with finishing something you started, and if it's that important to you to do that.

00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:13.679 Tammy Gooler Loeb: by all means go right ahead. Either way. There's no wrong decision.

00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:41.810 Tammy Gooler Loeb: It's a lot of courage, because I think we are in a culture that says you start something, you gotta finish it, no matter what. And you know, I'm thinking, well, who wrote that rule, you know, if if you're unhappy or you're feeling that it's not working for you, why put more energy into something when you know you really want to either figure out what what else you want to do, or maybe you already know

00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:47.400 Tammy Gooler Loeb: what direction you want to go in the other piece I want to say about that is, I think

00:26:47.530 --> 00:27:08.009 Tammy Gooler Loeb: when other people judge, they're judging it through their own experience, their their own perspective of well, now they're going to have to start all over again, kind of thing. And it's like that is not true at all, because they've just spent years studying and working in something and developing skills they get to take with them.

00:27:08.010 --> 00:27:18.219 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and they can use them in a lot of different contexts. So I wouldn't assume that whatever they've done is a waste, and I think it's unfair to make that assumption.

00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:24.450 Tammy Gooler Loeb: They reached this point to make a very, I think, a very courageous decision.

00:27:24.470 --> 00:27:29.189 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And to me, that's part of what they gained out of doing all of this.

00:27:29.270 --> 00:27:51.369 Mira Brancu: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So. Then, to sort of loop it back to something you said earlier, like recognizing what makes me feel satisfied. What makes people se feel satisfied? And what you know my values are I would guess. And we're gonna talk about this after the break. Yeah, I would guess

00:27:51.490 --> 00:27:55.449 Mira Brancu: that one potential thing.

00:27:55.570 --> 00:27:59.120 Mira Brancu: maybe very common, that could derail

00:27:59.310 --> 00:28:06.320 Mira Brancu: or keep keep people from taking the thoughtful career path that they can take is

00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:15.460 Mira Brancu: incorporating too much of other people's values, or what other people think you should do to feel satisfied and believing that is

00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:27.089 Mira Brancu: right for you. Yeah, right? Well, that's the that's the outside in approach. Oh, I can't wait to get to the inside out. Approach. Okay?

00:28:27.170 --> 00:28:42.420 Mira Brancu: So we are. Reaching the add break. You're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mira Branku and our guest, Tammy Guler Loeb. When we come back we will talk about really trying to

00:28:42.420 --> 00:29:00.060 Mira Brancu: redesign our careers from the inside out, not from the outside in and if you'd like to join our online audience and ask any questions that we can answer in real time, find us on Linkedin, Youtube or, and we'll be right back with our guest in just a moment.

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:11.689 Mira Brancu: Welcome back to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mirabranku and our guest today Tammy Guler, Lobe and Tammy is the author

00:31:11.810 --> 00:31:15.670 Mira Brancu: of work from the inside out. the book

00:31:15.760 --> 00:31:18.930 Mira Brancu: as well as the host of the same name.

00:31:19.070 --> 00:31:34.319 Mira Brancu: and we just got done before the Ad. Rick talking about how our careers can derail if we are working from the outside in. So what do you mean, Tammy, when you say work from the inside out to design your career.

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.240 Mira Brancu: Oh.

00:31:40.890 --> 00:31:44.490 Tammy Gooler Loeb: what I mean by inside out is

00:31:44.930 --> 00:31:48.619 Tammy Gooler Loeb: when people follow that

00:31:49.090 --> 00:31:52.540 Tammy Gooler Loeb: inside voice, the the voices that

00:31:52.660 --> 00:32:01.749 Tammy Gooler Loeb: often will tell us. You know you might want to consider looking at things this way or going in this direction, and that's the voice that's that

00:32:02.120 --> 00:32:10.119 Tammy Gooler Loeb: very often, or maybe not, too. II don't know how often, but we often tend to brush those things aside

00:32:10.260 --> 00:32:11.600 Tammy Gooler Loeb: almost

00:32:11.930 --> 00:32:25.180 Tammy Gooler Loeb:  It's almost an automatic thing. We all do it to some degree, and then we find ourselves a little further down the road, and we we have some kind of result or outcome of something we say.

00:32:25.650 --> 00:32:29.490 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I should have listened to that first instinct that that

00:32:29.560 --> 00:32:31.810 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I was saying this to myself.

00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:44.189 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and I didn't listen. And I and I was right. I was right. and we we now have research that has shown us that our instincts are often spot-on.

00:32:44.330 --> 00:33:01.440 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and they usually do take us in a direction that really does work well for us now, you know I'm not. Nothing's all or nothing. I don't believe in, you know, in anything that way, but most of us were raised by well intentioned adults.

00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:19.300 Tammy Gooler Loeb: We had other influential people in our lives, teachers or grandparents, other people who tried to give us guidance and ideas about how we might go through life. And those people, really, you know, gave us some guidelines, and we

00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:26.099 Tammy Gooler Loeb: some of us took those to heart and thought, well, that's the way I'm supposed to live life. This is what makes for a good life.

00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:27.990 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and some people really

00:33:28.300 --> 00:33:36.680 Tammy Gooler Loeb: had that so ingrained in them that when they got to those decision points for themselves. They didn't think

00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:41.590 Tammy Gooler Loeb: that any any other thoughts or alternative thoughts were valid.

00:33:41.790 --> 00:33:50.929 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and so they followed whatever they were told to. Do, you know. Oh, you're really good in science, you should become a doctor. Are you really good in math? You should become an accountant

00:33:51.110 --> 00:33:59.699 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and some of those people did, and some of them have knocked on my door in their late thirtys and into their forties, and they've

00:34:00.110 --> 00:34:17.059 Tammy Gooler Loeb: practically fallen apart in a puddle of tears in front of me to say, I I'm miserable. I really don't want to do what I'm doing. So that's the outside in now that's that's an extreme. But I've seen more of it than

00:34:17.110 --> 00:34:21.259 Tammy Gooler Loeb: then, you know, because that's why people, some people, will come to me.

00:34:21.380 --> 00:34:41.480 Tammy Gooler Loeb: but I think that it's hard to shake those lessons learned from from all those years. And so it becomes difficult to discern that. So we really have to practice this inside out approach. But when we do, and we listen to it like the example that you gave before the break, this person, who.

00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:51.139 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you know, had gotten through many years of a doctoral program and then decided to step away. You know, that was that was a very intentional

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:58.230 Tammy Gooler Loeb: inside out approach. And yes, there will be people who might judge. But

00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:00.410 Tammy Gooler Loeb: who cares? They're.

00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:08.550 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you know. Other people's thoughts are just their thoughts. They have nothing to do with how we're gonna live our lives.

00:35:08.600 --> 00:35:10.120 Tammy Gooler Loeb: But then, again.

00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:20.320 Tammy Gooler Loeb: when you've got people who are close to you, who are telling you, you know. No, no, no, that's not the right thing. It. It's hard to deal with that sometimes.

00:35:20.830 --> 00:35:39.550 Mira Brancu: It is especially people you care about who care about you, and they're giving you their opinion because they worry about you because they care about you. But but you're right that their opinion is coming through their lens, and we must appreciate that like. Thank you very much

00:35:39.990 --> 00:35:51.479 Mira Brancu: for caring. That's your lens. You know you don't have to worry about me. You know I there, there is. The hard skill in this

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:57.240 Mira Brancu: is being able to separate yourself from

00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:16.430 Mira Brancu: the messages, or the worry about judgment, or the worry about disappointing other people. So that you can seek out what feels best for you. That is not an easy skill that is not easy to do for most of us. Right? So

00:36:16.460 --> 00:36:28.749 Mira Brancu: yeah, so so tell us, like, what? What is your framework in your book that you recommend that people sort of apply in order to like start thinking through this.

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:34.440 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Well, there, there's a few things, you know, and and so

00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:40.709 Tammy Gooler Loeb: one of the frameworks is not really a framework. My book is loaded with stories.

00:36:41.220 --> 00:36:47.070 Tammy Gooler Loeb: 22 stories of people who, each in their own way

00:36:48.110 --> 00:37:02.820 Tammy Gooler Loeb: walked through, worked through the some of the typical obstacles that people will allow to get in the way of them making decisions around those inside out kinds of

00:37:03.120 --> 00:37:06.189 Tammy Gooler Loeb: careers. So, for example.

00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.749 Tammy Gooler Loeb: in each chapter in the book

00:37:08.970 --> 00:37:20.599 Tammy Gooler Loeb: looks at a particular obstacle. Chapter one looks just at fear in general, because most of the obstacles are fear based, and those fear messages really do come from

00:37:20.660 --> 00:37:26.710 Tammy Gooler Loeb: whatever we were taught, you know, or or more societal based messages. So

00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:32.669 Tammy Gooler Loeb:  so, for example, the second chapter is called

00:37:32.870 --> 00:37:42.019 Tammy Gooler Loeb: It's never too late. And then II highlight 3 stories of people who all made significant career pivots

00:37:42.530 --> 00:37:44.750 Tammy Gooler Loeb: at age 40 or older.

00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:52.399 Mira Brancu: And so and can I stop there just to like put put a real fine point on what you're saying here.

00:37:54.020 --> 00:37:56.130 Mira Brancu: When we hear stories

00:37:56.500 --> 00:38:07.189 Mira Brancu: of people who are like us, right? So if I'm in my forties and I don't see anybody around me that has done this thing that

00:38:07.430 --> 00:38:17.410 Mira Brancu: feeds into my fear that it can't be done. But if I can read or hear about from other people who are like me, stories of success. It gives me

00:38:17.450 --> 00:38:18.939 Mira Brancu: a visual.

00:38:19.120 --> 00:38:25.520 Mira Brancu: an inspiration like it can be done. And here's how a couple of people did it. It's the same as like

00:38:25.530 --> 00:38:29.009 Mira Brancu: doing informational interviews right

00:38:29.130 --> 00:38:33.510 Mira Brancu: here they are in a book. So just wanted to sort of like point point that. Yeah?

00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:53.920 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And then at the end of each chapter, there are reflective questions that help people to kind of take a look inside themselves a little bit, to say, to look at. Well, how ready are you for something like this? What kinds of thoughts are you having? So it gives people just a little bit of safe space to just

00:38:53.920 --> 00:39:17.939 Tammy Gooler Loeb: just to start thinking about these things. No one's telling you to change anything overnight. And, in fact, most of the people profiled in the book did not make any changes overnight, and I think that's the other thing that scares people is. They think if they were to go after what they really wanted. They think it's it's sort of like all or nothing. They have to go from where they are today to

00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:21.009 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the alternative. And it's it's like a flip.

00:39:21.040 --> 00:39:42.519 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And that's not how most of these people made the changes that they did. And that's why I told the stories as well is to show how they went through these transitions in incremental ways. My whole podcast is full of almost 250 stories. Now of people who've made a variety of transitions. And so.

00:39:42.850 --> 00:40:00.540 Tammy Gooler Loeb: you know, I really do try to make it relatable to people in that way to say, here's what's possible. This isn't pie in the sky. I'm not suggesting that anybody go and follow their passions or go after their dreams. I'm not one of those coaches.

00:40:00.540 --> 00:40:13.780 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I really think that there's a way to sort of honor that inside voice that's telling you. You want something else that's going to be more meaningful for you. But it doesn't have to be

00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:21.969 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the ultimate ultimate. You know, rainbow and unicorn kind of scenario. It could be something that is just

00:40:22.810 --> 00:40:40.460 Tammy Gooler Loeb: satisfying, because we know, if we we look, there's there's you know, the Gallup polls that come out about employee engagement year after year after year, across cultures, across age groups across industries. We see

00:40:40.660 --> 00:40:49.290 Tammy Gooler Loeb: 60 to 65% of of the working people. They poll and they and they, they're polling. Hundreds of thousands of people

00:40:49.340 --> 00:41:08.390 Mira Brancu: are saying they feel disengaged at work, and I don't know about you, but that makes me really sad. So thank you, Tammy. It was very well said, I mean

00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:11.350 Mira Brancu: Do you? Do you feel like

00:41:11.620 --> 00:41:13.620 Mira Brancu: Some of the hesitation

00:41:13.740 --> 00:41:19.889 Mira Brancu: it? And then some of the pushing, for, like you, either quit or you stay like this. Black and white

00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:23.360 Mira Brancu: is more about our fear of the messy middle.

00:41:23.630 --> 00:41:40.729 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I went through that, too. And you know the II one of my jobs I was in, and within 6 months I knew that it was not a great fit with the boss I had, and I stayed another 2 and a half years.

00:41:40.990 --> 00:41:48.909 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and II was probably kicking myself the whole time, saying, You know, you really should get out of here, and

00:41:49.270 --> 00:41:58.629 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and I knew it, and I knew I'd stay too long, and it ended up being kind of a traumatic situation for me, even though the work was meaningful.

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:25.399 Tammy Gooler Loeb: The work situation really got under my skin. And so, you know it. It wasn't probably worth staying, but we do tend. You know, we get committed to things we feel responsible, right? And I think the same thing happens with people once they've gotten established. If they've you know, they've started a family. They've got other people depending on them. They start to feel stuck

00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:33.040 Tammy Gooler Loeb: with all the other responsibilities and commitments that they've made, and they assume

00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:37.969 Tammy Gooler Loeb: that there's no way they're gonna be able to make a change.

00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:47.920 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And I have stories in my book of people who had young families and and did find a way to make the changes they wanted to make.

00:42:47.960 --> 00:43:00.469 Mira Brancu: It's not easy, but it can be done. Yeah, absolutely. So we're nearing an outbreak when we come back. Let's get into your CEO framework.

00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:21.989 Mira Brancu: Why, why did you choose it? How did you choose the CEO framework? What is it? How can people apply it and and then the like. The first step that they could take. So you are nearing our ad break. You're listening to the hard skills with me. Dr. Mirabanku and our guest, Tammy Guler Loeb, will be right back after these messages.

00:45:26.050 --> 00:45:31.560 Mira Brancu: Welcome back to the hard skills with me, Doctor Mirabu and our guest, Tammy Gueller, Loeb.

00:45:31.640 --> 00:45:37.029 Mira Brancu: and we are now moving into

00:45:37.050 --> 00:45:44.280 Mira Brancu: the framework in her thought work in working from the inside out.

00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:49.859 Mira Brancu: CEO, what are these? What does it stand for? How did you? How did you come up with it?

00:45:53.600 --> 00:45:54.300 Let's see.

00:45:55.080 --> 00:46:01.269 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I will say that. This is not in my book. This is something I've written into.

00:46:01.510 --> 00:46:31.409 Tammy Gooler Loeb: A a keynote that that I fresh off the books. We get it right here. Yes, yes, yes, yes, so so. I've been working on my speaking, and I came up with, this be the CEO of your career, and I that's not an original statement. However, I took the CEO and and fleshed it out. So the C stands for. Be curious.

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:42.439 Tammy Gooler Loeb: the E stands for be engaged, and the O. Stands for take ownership. So in in the time that I've been

00:46:42.490 --> 00:46:47.219 Tammy Gooler Loeb: coaching, which is close to 25 years, the time I've been

00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:51.849 Tammy Gooler Loeb: interviewing 250 people in my podcast

00:46:52.520 --> 00:47:03.870 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and the the book writing the book, I noticed something very poignant about the people who made the changes that were most satisfying for them.

00:47:04.130 --> 00:47:08.460 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and that was they approached the changes

00:47:08.770 --> 00:47:11.040 Tammy Gooler Loeb: gradually, not overnight.

00:47:11.550 --> 00:47:16.310 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and they did it with curiosity. They were curious, they were ready to learn.

00:47:16.420 --> 00:47:19.540 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and they showed up just wondering.

00:47:19.910 --> 00:47:22.629 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and and just stayed open.

00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:37.890 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and that that served them beautifully. So that's why I say, be curious. Just be curious, and I say that to people who are scared, who who aren't sure of what they want, or aren't sure about where to go.

00:47:37.930 --> 00:47:49.279 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I just be curious. You you don't have to. You don't have to commit to anything but get more information. Most people who are unsure of what they want right now

00:47:49.400 --> 00:48:03.689 Tammy Gooler Loeb: can at least be curious and get more information for my own career as well. Oh, yeah, definitely, we know, because you were a fabulous guest on my podcast

00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:22.119 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and then be engaged really is part and parcel to getting that information too, because one way to get some great information is to learn from other people, learn from their experiences. So you know, in in in the mainstream, we might call that networking

00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:33.140 Tammy Gooler Loeb: I call it networking. But I say, look, networking is all about getting information. It's not just about having some polished elevator pitch and

00:48:33.240 --> 00:48:47.149 Tammy Gooler Loeb: trying to show up in some shiny way in front of people. It's much, much more about being curious being interested and and then engaging with people and staying in touch with people.

00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:59.409 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And that leads us into taking ownership because we live in a time when employers no longer take care of their employees over the long haul. You know.

00:48:59.450 --> 00:49:01.810 Tammy Gooler Loeb: my parents generation.

00:49:01.820 --> 00:49:19.380 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and I think a lot of us have these models of people who worked for decades in one role. One job got a pension, were able to retire and and and live a life somewhat comparable to the life they had when they were working, and it all kind of

00:49:19.560 --> 00:49:21.840 Tammy Gooler Loeb: went fairly smoothly.

00:49:21.860 --> 00:49:40.850 Tammy Gooler Loeb: We don't have. We really don't have those things available to us in the same way, and we see what's going on in in the world now. So so we really need to be owners of our own careers now, and that means that we need to be curious and engaged. We need to be.

00:49:41.010 --> 00:49:43.969 Tammy Gooler Loeb: even if you've landed in a brand new job.

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:49.409 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Don't just sit on your hands and say, Okay, I'm safe now.

00:49:49.490 --> 00:50:10.840 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Enjoy yourself by all means, but also stay connected to some of those key relationships, at least, if not more stay connected, be available to help other people. It's not just about staying connected for the sake of you know. It's not about just schmoozing with people it's really about in a meaningful way, being connected.

00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:18.899 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And because those relationships make all the difference in the world in terms of what you'll be able to do next. So that

00:50:18.950 --> 00:50:30.459 Tammy Gooler Loeb: should something happen that you don't have any control over. You've got relationships out there you can tap into. Likewise you'll be available to those people should something happen

00:50:30.490 --> 00:50:32.500 Tammy Gooler Loeb: in their in their work life

00:50:32.590 --> 00:51:00.150 Tammy Gooler Loeb: and and it's not to come from a place of fear. It's to come from a place of resourcefulness and to always be iterating and thinking about. What do I want? How do I want to grow? Stay curious? I mean, these things all blend together. And if you can stay in that mindset, those things are gonna serve you beautifully. But you know they're habits that that we really have to develop, because I don't think it's really the way most of us were taught

00:51:00.200 --> 00:51:07.279 Tammy Gooler Loeb: in terms of how we go about kind of conducting our professional lives in that way. But II think it's

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:13.660 Mira Brancu: vitally important that we do that. Thank you for sharing that. And

00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:17.809 Mira Brancu: One thing that I think is important for people to

00:51:17.890 --> 00:51:21.949 Mira Brancu: sort of understand about this CEO framework

00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:25.410 Mira Brancu: is, it moves from

00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:36.180 Mira Brancu: wandering into action, from dreaming to doing. And there are some people there's been some research on this. This is fascinating. There are some people

00:51:36.410 --> 00:51:46.609 Mira Brancu: that once they start dreaming about what could be, and then exploring in that sort of in engage, like curious learning from others. Way.

00:51:46.990 --> 00:51:58.299 Mira Brancu: There is a part of the brain that makes you feel like you've actually done the thing, and it offers a little bit of satisfaction just enough to stop.

00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.260 Mira Brancu: And

00:51:59.510 --> 00:52:18.600 Mira Brancu: those people aren't necessarily fully satisfied with their lives because they haven't turned that exploration into action. So watch out. There's a self saboteur inside your brain that will cause you to feel like you did something just because you explored it. It's not true.

00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:38.250 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Yeah, you know, that's interesting. Ii went to a school in a little school in Western Massachusetts called Hampshire College, and it's it's kind of an experimenting kind of school, and one of the the the motto of the school was to know is not enough.

00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:39.480 Mira Brancu: oh.

00:52:40.040 --> 00:52:48.750 Tammy Gooler Loeb: yeah. Taking that with me. So while I always say you need information to make decisions

00:52:48.950 --> 00:52:52.649 Tammy Gooler Loeb: right? You still have to act on them.

00:52:52.900 --> 00:53:06.429 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And II think the other thing that that I talk to people about a lot is, you know, we all have choices. You can make choices to get the information and then do nothing with it. But understand that you're making a choice

00:53:06.710 --> 00:53:10.930 Tammy Gooler Loeb: to do nothing. or to do or to stay where you are.

00:53:11.910 --> 00:53:17.439 Mira Brancu: Absolutely. Yeah. And that's okay. Yeah. But it's a conscious decision that there is an action.

00:53:17.520 --> 00:53:21.359 Mira Brancu: conscious decision and action.

00:53:21.500 --> 00:53:32.290 Mira Brancu: So so Tammy share with us. Where can folks find you? And what is one thing you want them to remember and take away from what we've talked about today.

00:53:32.680 --> 00:53:46.410 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Well, they can find me at my website. which will look a little different in the next couple of months. So I'm excited about that but it's Tammy Guler, Loeb.

00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:53.400 Tammy Gooler Loeb: dot com. and I'm the only Tammy Gouldler lobe in the world. So if you start, if you start typing

00:53:53.500 --> 00:53:55.070 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Tammy Ghoulor Loeb.

00:53:55.780 --> 00:53:57.249 Mira Brancu: He is signing.

00:53:57.260 --> 00:54:22.389 Mira Brancu: and there you will see also the podcast and if you, many of you ask often ask me like, how do I get to my career? How did I build my career? Look for my episode with Tammy? And you will find out it's there. Definitely look for our episode as well.

00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:28.780 Mira Brancu: It was. It was such a great conversation we had. I love. I love your story.

00:54:28.930 --> 00:54:32.929 Mira Brancu: Thank you. Thank you. One final quick, take away.

00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:38.500 Tammy Gooler Loeb: So the the takeaway is. don't do this alone.

00:54:38.620 --> 00:54:59.110 Tammy Gooler Loeb: Make sure you stay connected to people. You know whether you have your own personal board of directors, whether you wanna hire a coach or or find resources in the community. There are tons of them out there. If you're looking to make a change, or you want to. You know, figure a few things out.

00:54:59.240 --> 00:55:02.089 Tammy Gooler Loeb: but a lot of people think that they have to just

00:55:02.450 --> 00:55:13.629 Tammy Gooler Loeb: pull themselves up by their boot straps and kind of go at this alone. And II see a lot of people who try to do that because they end up coming to me after they've not gotten the results they wanted.

00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:15.130 Tammy Gooler Loeb: And I would say.

00:55:16.050 --> 00:55:43.919 Mira Brancu: it really is not a one person job. You really want to get some support and other perspectives and ideas about. You know what it is that you're trying to do. It's gonna it's gonna propel you forward to get those perspectives and get another another set of eyes on it. You're too close to it yourself to do it by yourself. 100. Yeah, absolutely. So. Audience, what is one thing that you can take away

00:55:43.920 --> 00:56:12.479 Mira Brancu: more importantly, what is one small change you can do to implement this week, based on what you learn from Tammy. Share it with us on Linkedin, at Mirabranku, or Tammyguller Loeb, so we could cheer you on. We're also on Facebook, Instagram Twitter twitch all over the place. But Linkedin is where I live. I'm pretty sure that's where Tammy lives online, too. So that's where we're gonna respond. So that's where we'd like you to comment. In addition

00:56:12.640 --> 00:56:26.990 Mira Brancu: to being a live show, we're also on apple podcast and spotify, please go subscribe to the podcast leave a review, share with others to help increase our visibility, reach and impact, then find Tammi's and do the same for her

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00:56:56.490 --> 00:57:06.819 Mira Brancu: Thank you again to talkradio, dot Nyc for hosting. I'm Dr. Mirabanku, your host of the Hard skill show. Thank you for joining us today with our guest, Tammy Gulerlo Lobe.

00:57:07.100 --> 00:57:13.360 Mira Brancu: Have a great rest of your day, wherever you're tuning in from. Thanks, Tammy. Thanks all. Thank you.

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