This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Award Winning Keynote Speaker, Neuro-Cognitive Leadership Expert, and International Author, Tressa Yonekawa Bundren.
As an award-winning neuroscience and cognition-based mindset, leadership, and relationship keynote speaker and culture consultant, Tressa guides experiences of what is possible so you can make changes in real-time. The choice is yours to live your legacy now, or wait until it is too late.
Grounded in neuro-cognitive science, with over 25 years of practical success and failures, Tressa integrates purpose and delivery with sustainable accountability and leadership from the inside-out.
Tressa admits that successful leadership, healthy cultures, and belonging to create connected, capable, and culture optimized lifecycle, teams, boards and leadership is big work.
Join Sam and Tressa as they discuss what the latest development in neuroscience can teach us about how to live better and adapt to a changing world.
Sam opens this week's episode with a segment from his book Everyday Awakening which can be found at www.everydayawakening.com. Today’s passage is entitled “Releasing control and trusting more allows life to surpass our imagination.” The desire for control is rooted in a lack of trust in our environment. However, a sense of control limits our potential and opportunities. Sam welcomes Author, keynote speaker, and authority in neuro-cognitive leadership Tressa Yonekawa Bundren. She has over 25 years of experience in neuroscience science and prides herself on her leadership abilities.
Tressa has seen a lot of change in neuroscience over the last 25 years. She uses neuroscience as a foundation for any endeavor she chooses to pursue. She believes it is important to contextualize neurology and cognition by observing community and our environment. Tressa has knowledge on how we establish values, set up organizations, and become better leaders. Neuro-cognition plays into organization in many ways. It is an effective way to strategize. She speaks of her personal experiences as a leader, the mistakes she made and the changes she made to be a better employer. How we learn, how we sustain values, and how we stay in relationships that grow all come from a place of neuro-cognition. Sam and Tressa talk about the importance of presence and the practice of staying in the now. Tressa ties this to the concept of communication, to truly empathize we must be present.
Tressa is called in for situations by the leadership organization to fix work culture and relationships. She is often asked to work with executives' spouses and families as well. She stresses that to treat professional problems, it is important to heal personal problems. Life and work work tangentially to each other. Tressa talks about things she has learned recently that enhance the way she works with her clients. Artificial Intelligence has given her a world of knowledge that was not as easily accessible before. Sam and Tressa discuss the potential dangers of A.I. The unknown is terrifying, but the potential is exponential. Tressa draws comparisons between A.I and meditation. Both of these mediums provide us with clarity. Tressa implements various practices to encourage mindfulness in her work.
Tressa and Sam discuss psychedelics and its relationship with neuroscience and neuro-cognition. Tressa has many colleagues that have begun to use those modalities, and they speak highly of it. She believes psychedelics can broaden what we already know by opening doors. In her personal experience, she believes they have their place but that. For her, it was not a long term answer. Tressa and Sam discuss the future of neuro-cognition. Tressa believes we will constantly be unearthing new knowledge in the field. Leaders today are more open to applying neuro-cognition science to their leadership. Tressa’s consulting agency can be found at thetaprootway.com and you can reach her personally at tressayonekawa.com.
00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:53.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon. Good evening. Good morning. Whenever you're tuning in. Welcome to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We have another fascinating show in store for you today with a wonderful guest. I've been looking forward to having her come on the show for a while, but before we get there first, of course, my loyal listeners all know
00:00:53.300 --> 00:00:58.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it it. We always start off with our little section from my book
00:00:59.540 --> 00:01:12.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Everyday Awakening, which of course, you can find it every day. Awakening book.com, and we'll kick it off with that, and then i'll introduce my guess. So today's little passage from my book is entitled
00:01:13.100 --> 00:01:28.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Releasing Control and Trusting. Allow the more allows life to surpass and trusting more allows life to surpass our imagination. Excuse me there we often get in trouble when we focus too much on control.
00:01:29.090 --> 00:01:33.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The desire for control comes from more than fear.
00:01:33.500 --> 00:01:41.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We look to control our circumstances, our environment, and our relationships because of something deeper.
00:01:41.450 --> 00:01:45.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It comes from a profound lack of trust.
00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:59.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a lack of trust in ourselves. a lack of trust in the world. a lack of trust in life itself. In our minds we have good reasons for this lack of trust.
00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:07.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet if we look deeply into our heart. we want to trust more than anything else.
00:02:08.310 --> 00:02:14.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: making the effort to control everything in our lives is exhausting.
00:02:14.350 --> 00:02:25.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It also leaves little room for life to bring us the unexpected. Well, that may sound comforting to us. To us it is also quite limiting.
00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:32.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Life can surprise us with the most amazing adventures when we allow it to
00:02:33.380 --> 00:02:40.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: giving up control, is not about releasing our responsibilities in our lives.
00:02:40.430 --> 00:02:49.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is about trusting ourselves deeply that we can handle and thrive in any given situation that life
00:02:49.750 --> 00:03:03.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: brings us. By trusting more and controlling West. We can allow amazing circumstances to develop. we can allow others to contribute more and truly create
00:03:03.480 --> 00:03:12.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: team efforts. We can lessen the stress in our lives and live more joyfully. We can start to have
00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:20.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: happier journey throughout our lives. Yes, control can be very comforting.
00:03:21.930 --> 00:03:23.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is it worth it?
00:03:24.740 --> 00:03:29.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you release some control and learn to trust more.
00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:33.190 So I I wrote this passage
00:03:33.310 --> 00:03:39.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like all of him a while ago, and it it really came from just that insight
00:03:39.470 --> 00:03:43.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that I had once around control.
00:03:44.110 --> 00:04:06.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and it's interesting because I've always been the kind of person I was never worried about controlling everything. and and and I never really got. Why, I met some people, and they just like had to control everything, every little thing they had to know when this was happening. When that was happened. Don't do it that way. Do it this way and and like, you know, micromanaging life
00:04:07.150 --> 00:04:14.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and and there was always a certain kind of like anxious energy around it, and I never really understood why.
00:04:15.490 --> 00:04:28.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And until I sort of got this insight that that you know it's more than just about fear. I mean Yes, when we're afraid, we want to control things more.
00:04:29.110 --> 00:04:39.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but it's really in in in this perspective, and it may not only be this. but a huge contributing factor is this lack of trust.
00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:53.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a lack of trust that everything is perfect. Life is perfect, the universe is perfect. It may not appear like it may not seem like it.
00:04:53.840 --> 00:05:08.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, in some cases it kind of looks like we're really destroying ourselves in the world today, and if we don't, you know, really like pay attention and start doing something with the environment. This this world is going to come become pretty inhospitable to life before too long.
00:05:10.130 --> 00:05:22.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but it still doesn't mean that it isn't perfect. Maybe we just don't see the perfection. Maybe things had to get this bad in order to really wake humanity up.
00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:32.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's kind of hard to see when you're in the middle of it. We only get these kinds of insights and perspectives in hindsight after the fact.
00:05:34.880 --> 00:05:47.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And again, you trusting does not mean we abdicate our responsibilities. It does not mean we don't show up for ourselves, for our friends, our family, you know for what's right.
00:05:47.590 --> 00:05:55.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No trusting does not mean we don't show up. As a matter of fact, trusting means we show up even more fully
00:05:56.420 --> 00:06:01.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as as my dear friend, Jennifer Huff likes to say it's it's it's wanting to
00:06:01.330 --> 00:06:03.850 fully be here in life.
00:06:05.010 --> 00:06:12.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it's amazing how many people actually don't want to be here, I mean Sometimes I don't blame them, but you know life can be amazing and beautiful.
00:06:14.930 --> 00:06:18.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it could be challenging. and it can be difficult.
00:06:20.310 --> 00:06:27.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But when there's trust just in life itself, and trust in ourselves More importantly.
00:06:31.320 --> 00:06:34.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: then it doesn't matter if the situation is challenging.
00:06:35.320 --> 00:06:43.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we trust that we know the right way to go. We trust that we're being guided, or we trust that we can find the way through.
00:06:46.260 --> 00:06:59.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So when we can trust on that level, then we don't have to be so controlling, trying to make everything perfect and trying to control all the situations which we really can't control. But we we don't try to do that because it's like, okay. Things don't go according to plan.
00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:04.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know what that's life. Okay, we'll deal with it. We'll roll with the punches, as they say.
00:07:07.510 --> 00:07:11.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so for me, it's just this idea of trust.
00:07:13.140 --> 00:07:21.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It just allows life to show up for us, and really surpass our imagination of what is possible for us.
00:07:21.400 --> 00:07:35.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I mean, I say, all the time. I think life has a much better imagination for my life than I do, you know, because it's kinda I mean, Yes, goals are good. Vision boards are good, all that stuff is great, but you want to hold it kind of lightly.
00:07:38.030 --> 00:07:42.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because maybe life has something much better in store for us.
00:07:44.030 --> 00:07:50.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I personally don't like limiting myself. I like being open to the magic of life.
00:07:52.910 --> 00:07:55.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and my life is pretty good at the moment.
00:07:56.790 --> 00:08:02.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and like. Could it be amazing and wonderful, and even better, of course. And i'm working towards that.
00:08:05.590 --> 00:08:10.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I trust that that something better will show up.
00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it could surpass anything I've even thought of before.
00:08:16.830 --> 00:08:21.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, look, if I've been running the station now for 13 years.
00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And if you had said to me.
00:08:24.880 --> 00:08:35.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know 20 years ago that i'd be running a an Internet radio station, and i'd be a speaker and doing all this stuff I wouldn't let me. I don't know anything about that. Not
00:08:36.900 --> 00:08:51.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I met a guy at a party. and you know he's selling his practice because he wants to become a Buddhist monk, and he has a station, and so I I thought it would just help him sell it instead. I ended up buying it from him myself.
00:08:53.160 --> 00:08:58.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and this the whole circumstances, the way it happened I I could not have
00:08:59.020 --> 00:09:01.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: planned it better myself if I try.
00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So for me, just trusting
00:09:08.310 --> 00:09:11.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and just being in that place where.
00:09:12.460 --> 00:09:16.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whatever life brings me, I know it's gonna take me some place.
00:09:16.430 --> 00:09:19.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Amazing that I've never even thought of myself.
00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:30.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and sometimes those places can be difficult. Sometimes they can be challenging. Sometimes I don't always show enough discernment. So something happens. I would prefer not to have happened.
00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I've handled it, and I keep moving forward.
00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:38.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and you know what
00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:43.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I learned and grew from those experiences. So much.
00:09:44.730 --> 00:09:51.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you know. control. Yeah. it's it's so nineteenth century.
00:09:51.460 --> 00:10:19.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: anyway. So that's that's the section from my book. Everyday Awakening, which you can find Www. Dot everyday awakening book.com that just takes you to the Amazon listing. And you, if you like myself, and you love to support those small independent bookstores. Just tell them, hey, can you order this book for me every day awakening by Sam Lee? But somewhere in major booksellers, so you can get it wherever the books are sold.
00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:26.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right, so I hope you enjoyed that little section of my book. That was kind of a fun one. I kinda like that one.
00:10:27.090 --> 00:10:28.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now
00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:39.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show award-winning, keynote speaker neuro-cognitive leadership expert and international offer. Trustee yoken
00:10:39.810 --> 00:11:04.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yona Ku Kawa Bundren Trust is an an award, winning neuroscience and cognitive, based mindset leadership and relationship, Keynote: speak, speaker and culture Consultant Tressa guides experiences of what is possible? So you can make changes in real time. The choice is yours to live your legacy now, or wait until it's too late
00:11:04.810 --> 00:11:15.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: grounded in neuro-cognitive science with over 25 years of practical success and failures. Tressa integrates
00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:35.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: purpose and delivery with sustainable like sustainable accountability and leadership from the inside out trust that admits that successful leadership, healthy cultures, and belonging to create connected, capable, and culture optimized life cycle teams, boards, and leadership is big work.
00:11:35.310 --> 00:11:42.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that's why we're having her on the show today. Welcome to the conscious consultant hour! Tresa
00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:55.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sam Leibowitz! Thank you so much. You have had me on hold For months I have been looking forward to this, so I appreciate being here with you. I know I know I've been doing my show so long. I'm actually booked out for the year. Now
00:11:55.860 --> 00:12:13.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I mean I'm pretty much like all this lots are done. I'm i'm already talking to people about January of next year. It's crazy, and it's just you know. I I guess longevity has its privilege is the longer you're around, the more people know you and and get to like you.
00:12:14.100 --> 00:12:36.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I so, Tresa, we just got like a minute before our first break. I'm just curious. Did you study like neuroscience in college, or something like, Where did you start off? And how did you get here? My degrees are actually in neuro-cognitive science for communication. So my my AIM was to be a speech pathologist.
00:12:36.140 --> 00:12:55.460 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and I did that for a while, and then started building companies. And so how I really got here got here was that I was a a youth volunteer the the calligraphy on the wall that said, let's help each other. Let's take care of each other in the major health care system that I was volunteering in after school didn't match what was happening on the top floor
00:12:55.460 --> 00:13:10.520 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: when I was running paperwork and envelopes up there, and I was confused, and I wanted to understand how we could not be so confused, and we could either live our mission or change our mission so that it could be accurate and true, and that's really what got me here. But the degrees were part of that path.
00:13:10.680 --> 00:13:37.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful Wonderful that's Why, I've been doing this work over 25 years. She is no slouch. You see, my loyal listeners, I know you. You love the show. I know you guys are checking in on the live streams. Tess is the real deal. All right. We're gonna take a quick break, Tresa, and when we come back let's talk about sort of what you've learned over those 25 years, and how your understanding of neuroscience maybe has shifted in that timeframe. Okay.
00:13:37.580 --> 00:13:38.580 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Okay.
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00:16:19.430 --> 00:16:41.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. My guess this hour is Tressa Bundran. I just realized, Trisha, that's not a a virtual background behind you. Is it? Those are real flowers. Oh, meal! Yeah, I'm all about the real oh, very nice, very nice. And and and where do you? How from? Where are you located these days.
00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:56.710 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I'm gonna try located. I'm located anywhere that i'm working so I do a lot of travel for work, and I love it. It's one of my favorite things in the whole world to do. But we are between Oregon and California for the most part, and then Portugal, whenever I can.
00:16:56.730 --> 00:16:58.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, Portugal Very nice.
00:16:59.760 --> 00:17:16.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you've been working in neuroscience for for like a long, long time. How have you think seen things changed over the last 25 years like like, how is your understanding of neuroscience change from when you first started out, you know. Went to school, studied it.
00:17:16.670 --> 00:17:29.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and and now, like how you're applying and helping people to apply it to improve their leadership and improve their life. Basically
00:17:29.620 --> 00:17:39.370 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: How I use the the neuroscience background that I have, which is nothing close to like Huberman or some of the you know the our Stanford people who are who are all about it.
00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:56.560 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I use it as simply the foundation for everything that I do, and I recognize over over the past couple of decades that that's not everything there is. There is belief there is. You know how we how we organize that, You know we can't just
00:17:56.560 --> 00:18:10.570 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: pummel each other with with the neurology. We also have all of these the background, the history, how we live, our environment, what we expose ourselves to. So there's so much happening that we can integrate
00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:26.270 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: into the framework of of neurology and cognition. I specialize in cognition, and how we learn how we establish values, how we spread that through organizations, and and how we become better leaders and and really better human beings
00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:30.760 through the use of the neural cognition as one of the tools.
00:18:30.830 --> 00:18:44.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I've heard it said. It's interesting. You talk about the culture a lot in organizations. I've heard it said many times that culture will eat strategy every day of the week, and that's so many
00:18:44.820 --> 00:18:52.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: organizations out there are trying to change their strategy, to be more successful, and what they really need to do is look at their culture.
00:18:52.610 --> 00:18:57.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so how does newer cognition play into that that that
00:18:58.310 --> 00:19:08.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: culture that's created by the leadership of an organization, whether it's a for profit, not for profit or volunteer. You know, whatever kind of organization it is.
00:19:08.630 --> 00:19:24.050 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Yeah, I I love that framing of it because I really believe that culture and strategy require each other. And also there is this authenticity piece that we've been bringing in for at least the last decade, or at least trying to. You know, we started with mindfulness.
00:19:24.050 --> 00:19:41.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that was a foreign concept for a little while we had to do some education in the definition, and that it's not scary, and that it's not woo a little Loo, but not entirely. We, you know, corporate, appropriate woo. And and how do we bring in the foundation of how our brains work
00:19:41.530 --> 00:20:00.640 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: with the foundation of how we interact as human beings. So when you talk about culture and you talk about leadership, and I, I want to really address what you talked about earlier from your book, this this place of control and trust. Because I was a control freak, I was the worst boss on the planet, and
00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:05.850 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: from the time I was really young. You know how people ask you. What do you want to be when you grow up? What did you say when you were a kid.
00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:16.350 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: What did you have? An astronaut I wanted? I was. I was the start from the Star Trek generation. I was like for sure, like there's going to be a moon base by the year, 2,000 and I wanted to go to the stars.
00:20:16.350 --> 00:20:32.940 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Oh, beautiful yeah, and and how we incorporate those dreams into what we're doing now, and and revisiting that once in a while like, Why did I? Why did I want to be that You know what what aspects of that are alive for me now, when people would ask me that when I was a kid, I said the boss
00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:41.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what that meant, you know. So when I was able to start my own companies I was in my early twenties.
00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:49.380 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and I was. I was the worst boss on the planet, because I was the boss in the same way that I had been bossed.
00:20:49.410 --> 00:20:54.940 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I hadn't really had a purposeful leader.
00:20:54.970 --> 00:21:11.780 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I had had bosses, and so when my first company was about to fail, because my people said, Listen, you're a terrible boss. We like your mission. We like you, but you're a terrible boss, and I had to figure that out. What does that mean?
00:21:11.790 --> 00:21:15.610 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Like I'm just trying to do my best. I'm just trying to take care of you. I'm just trying to
00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:29.280 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: whatever, but I was micromanaging, and yet I was not on site, so I wasn't vulnerable. I wasn't appropriately vulnerable. I wasn't I wasn't there I just trusted everybody to do their jobs
00:21:29.280 --> 00:21:39.480 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and do because I said, you're the best of the best. Let's do this thing. So when we when we apply now, and I I had the education then, but I didn't apply it. How do we learn?
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:53.710 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: How do we sustain values? How do we stay in relationships that grow. All of those things coming from this place of neural cognition means that the activation of that comes from action.
00:21:54.160 --> 00:22:02.130 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so we can't just say I can't just say, Sam. I know that you're a good human being. I totally trust you to do what you tell me you're going to do. And i'm gonna jet.
00:22:02.350 --> 00:22:04.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Hmm.
00:22:04.210 --> 00:22:16.810 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Without any kind of of back and forth, or any kind of hey? How's it going, hey? I care about you. I want to hear what you need from me, so that we can have a sustainable and growing relationship without that
00:22:16.910 --> 00:22:18.560 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: it isn't sustainable and growing
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:30.530 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: without that we're just in the pattern that we've established, and it just repeats itself. And if that becomes unhealthy or unfulfilling, or it doesn't, help us grow, then then we're in a pattern that doesn't Serve us
00:22:30.730 --> 00:22:33.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right, right? Right?
00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:43.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it's. It's kind of hard sometimes, because it's hard to see ourselves right? So it it takes a bit of self reflection to realize. Oh.
00:22:43.460 --> 00:22:46.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I may be a good person, but that doesn't mean i'm a good boss
00:22:47.490 --> 00:22:54.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that you had the feedback from people, but but sometimes we don't know. Sometimes they're afraid to give us the feedback
00:22:54.470 --> 00:22:56.150 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: absolutely, and
00:22:56.330 --> 00:23:05.620 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I, for a long time literally would set alarms a little chime on my phone like 35 of them in a day to bring me back to awareness.
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:13.500 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: This center like what's happening right now? Am I present in what i'm doing? And am I doing
00:23:13.750 --> 00:23:28.760 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: the right thing in the highest good of all involved? Am I where i'm supposed to be, and and that early on was very helpful to me to not just get caught up in the. I need to make more money. I need to have more contracts. I need to be on the road, and you know, generate and generating
00:23:29.110 --> 00:23:38.770 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: what's actually happening. Who's in my world? Who do I need to be in contact with You know who do. I love that? I need to tell them that you know all of those things that make us
00:23:38.850 --> 00:23:44.760 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: more human in positions of leadership without making us doormats.
00:23:45.050 --> 00:23:49.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's so interesting. You talk about presence because that's
00:23:49.910 --> 00:23:54.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to me one of the real hallmarks of of
00:23:54.550 --> 00:24:04.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of of being good at anything like like people. Ask me all the time. You know. How do I be? A book? Good podcast or a good radio show host what's what's the most important quality, and i'll say presence.
00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You gotta be really present with your guests
00:24:08.620 --> 00:24:16.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and isn't that true of just about any aspect of business. It's really about how present, how focused, how
00:24:16.850 --> 00:24:20.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: much are we in the here and now
00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:38.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: versus worried about what's going to happen tomorrow? What happened yesterday and and all those fit thoughts that take us out of presence.
00:24:38.340 --> 00:24:54.300 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: integrated interactive experience of presence and trust and notice where we have judgment. Notice where, if you turn around to somebody you've never met before. You're trying to size them up and categorize them like automatically, so that you have some control.
00:24:54.300 --> 00:25:00.990 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so that you think you understand this person, and you think you can have a conversation with this person without actually knowing
00:25:01.230 --> 00:25:18.700 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and without being present, but projecting like what I want this person to see in me what I see in this person the labels i'm going to put on this person, like all that's happening instantaneously. If we can slow all that down just for a microsecond, take a breath and just be present.
00:25:19.010 --> 00:25:22.210 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: We have unlimited potential. Yeah.
00:25:22.370 --> 00:25:33.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, yeah. And again, we're so in alignment it and and it was so an alignment in very different ways, like with the consciousness work I do, i'm. I'm. So.
00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:35.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A tune to this idea of projection.
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:47.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and how much people project their idea of another human being on to them, and that sometimes, when i'm facilitating groups, I have to be able to hold people's projections on me.
00:25:48.780 --> 00:25:59.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it's just so funny that oh, it just reminds me of that old quote. We don't see the world as it is. We see the world as we are.
00:25:59.670 --> 00:26:00.270 Okay.
00:26:01.370 --> 00:26:06.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right, and and and doesn't that all have a very neuro-cognitive basis.
00:26:06.340 --> 00:26:10.150 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: right? And it's built on, you know we have these lenses.
00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:39.100 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and I think I was Bernie Brown that I heard talking about. We we say, oh, i'll just have empathy or compassion inclusivity, but by trying on these other people's lenses. But that's impossible. We can't pull off our lenses and put somebody else's on Our lenses are literally, I think, she said, glued to us so the lenses that we have can only be right. They can only be clarified and expanded by having an experience of presence, and noticing
00:26:39.100 --> 00:26:48.170 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: hearing other points of view, and still being present. What happens to me when when I hear that when I hear when I hear you say that, Sam. I feel
00:26:48.380 --> 00:27:06.850 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: insecure when I hear you say that, Sam, I feel more powerful because we are in alignment, like whatever that is just that noticing, and that conversation can bring us into more clear relationship, and it works across all of our relationship which relationships work, or
00:27:06.850 --> 00:27:11.360 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: romantic or friends or parenting it. It works everywhere
00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:18.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right, absolutely absolutely. It doesn't matter whether it's a business setting or a non business setting.
00:27:18.340 --> 00:27:21.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more present you are with the other person.
00:27:21.780 --> 00:27:26.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: First. The more they can feel it, the more they're going to appreciate your attention.
00:27:27.020 --> 00:27:32.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then the more information we kind of take in to kind of see
00:27:32.190 --> 00:27:37.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: our people reacting to what we're saying. Right? It it's sort of like whether you're
00:27:37.560 --> 00:27:46.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in in a in a meeting in a conference room with a bunch of colleagues or or people who work for you, or you're having family dinner
00:27:48.090 --> 00:28:01.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: being present to what's going on. Suddenly you'll start to notice things that you might not have noticed if you're just running through your own agenda and saying what what you wanted to get out
00:28:01.370 --> 00:28:15.760 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: absolutely. And this work in in relationship, connection, presence, power, and the dynamics of that has helped me help. Leaders put their their relationships back together to to take their company public.
00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:27.960 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: to have, you know, excellent exits to retain their staff to. You know all kinds of things, and I think that I will say that a 1,000% it's also helped me be a better parent and a better partner.
00:28:28.020 --> 00:28:31.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Wonderful! Wonderful! How how many kids do you have?
00:28:31.790 --> 00:28:40.480 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: 3? I adopted 3 amazing girls from the foster care system, and my youngest is now 21. So
00:28:40.760 --> 00:28:42.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: wow, amazing, amazing.
00:28:43.110 --> 00:28:43.800 Oh.
00:28:44.030 --> 00:29:02.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that forms my heart. Okay, we we we're gonna take our next break. And then, when we come back, what i'd love to hear is like, what are some of the sort of common situations that people call you in for. And then how do you use this sort of neural, cognitive approach to help
00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:16.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: them facilitate the situation in a better way, and and then i'd love to get into. So what are the latest developments like what is really some of the cutting edge things that you're learned about neuroscience in in the last few years. Okay.
00:29:16.540 --> 00:29:41.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right. Awesome Tresa. Awesome. All right. And I hope you are enjoying it, too. I apologize. I don't. I i'm not seeing the live streams at the moment, so I can't see. But i'm sure my loyal listeners, Paddy, maybe Sonia and William are checking in. Thank you. Guys love love that you're always with us. Show live. So stay tuned. We'll be right back in just a moment with our guests, Tressor Bundran, and we'll talk to you in just a moment.
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00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:35.290 Okay. Okay.
00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:37.140 you
00:31:45.800 --> 00:32:11.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back. So T. And what kinds of situations with with the the leadership of an organization kind of call you in to help them, because I i'm not sure like if i'm a a a, a a struggling business owner, or a struggling CEO. I I i'm not sure. Quite sure. I'd i'd know like oh, I should really call in somebody now with this challenge. Who who's an expert neuro cognition.
00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:23.990 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Well, really, what I do is I fix relationships. So when people having difficulty with culture cohesiveness, when there have been mergers multiple mergers, when we're trying to go public, and everything's
00:32:24.150 --> 00:32:30.470 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: like upside down in order to get us there. I do high stakes, mediation.
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:49.040 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and I fix cultures and and relationships of any kind. So a lot of times, when i'm working with executives, I often get asked to work with their spouses and their families, because what we bring to work is like who we are is how we live, how we live is who we are, like you said earlier.
00:32:49.040 --> 00:33:03.610 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: very true. And so when we're struggling as as leaders, when we're struggling at leaders at every level which we all are, it tends to to bleed over, and you know every aspect of our lives.
00:33:03.670 --> 00:33:23.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right right cause. Who we are is who we are, and how we show up is how we show up at work is how we show up at home most of the time, sometimes not most of the time, or worse, you know, or worse. Yeah, you know. And so I've worked with a lot of pretty high profile people in finance and entertainment and music.
00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:34.740 and I don't name drop, because I do do some of this personal work, not with everybody. But I think it's such an important part, because if we are only focused on getting our work
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:49.910 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: right, our work relationships right, and we all want to be the the leader that people want to follow it's it's really important, more important now than ever, I think. And if we want that at work, then we should also have the foundation of a happy, full life
00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:53.360 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: everywhere else, too. And work should be a part of that.
00:33:53.510 --> 00:34:07.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Right? Yeah. I I hear people. you know, talk about so much about work, life, balance. But I don't really believe, because we just we're never in balance it to me. It's more about integration. It's more about sort of.
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:26.920 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: How are you integrating your life and your work together? Not balancing it because nobody lives a perfectly balanced life, do they?
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:34.960 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: You know we we pay to go see those things that are are balanced, so it's it's on. I think it's unnatural
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:54.250 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: to have an an apex and a balanced life. But I agree with you that full life has a very complex multifaceted meeting, and if we can live a full life, and we're not so focused on this part needs to be right. This part needs to be right, and they need to be in balance. Then then it's we're happier.
00:34:54.250 --> 00:35:08.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We have a more integrated and integral and impactful life. Right? Right? Absolutely Absolutely so. So how has the field of of neuroscience and neuro-cognition like developed over the years. What what
00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:20.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know things? Have you learned recently? That kind of enhances or changes the way you work with people?
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:31.710 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Everything to our fingertips immediately. And so, while I know that we can learn things more rapidly, we're we're now exposed to, or have access to.
00:35:31.710 --> 00:35:49.370 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so much more information, so much more quickly. And so I think there there are opportunities for us to learn faster, but also to have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. So that's with anything. So you know, I I want to
00:35:49.630 --> 00:36:00.780 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: have caution about how i'm using it, and I really am being aware of of what Elon Musk and other people are saying. You know about how this could get out of hand if it Hasn't already.
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:14.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And how does this enhance the the fields that are based in neuroscience, and there are so many of them. I think leadership has a really strong foundation in neuroscience, because it's about how we think and how we act from what we think, learn, and know.
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:15.790 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: So
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.740 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: how does how does this expedited
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:31.150 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and more voluminous amounts right like we have more faster, and that really appeals to the type a like bigger, faster, better more.
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:47.840 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: But really it's about getting back to basics. So I feel like, you know, we're blowing out our ability to to learn everything right now and have it all at our fingertips when what we want to do is use the 10,000 year old technology, which is like we talked about
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.580 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: presence in a modern way, that is
00:36:51.870 --> 00:37:00.410 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: compassion, that is, learning, that is, being able to discern and make choices. So
00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:07.690 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I think the the potential for allowing AI to make choices for us is the danger principle.
00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:11.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I I know a lot of people are kind of
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:24.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like on the one hand, concerned about AI kind of getting out of control. And and and you know, from my point of view, AI, it's created by humans. So it's going to have all of our flaws as well.
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:28.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But then, on the other hand, I also hear people talking about
00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:34.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the potential Utopia that supposedly AI can create. Because if we're if if every
00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:54.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: job or or or aspect of our life that's a drudgery to us, we can hand over to an AI program or a robot powered by AI, and then can free us up to do really the more creative the deeper work. You know that that can be something that can be very liberating.
00:37:54.180 --> 00:38:12.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But in the process, you know, there can be a lot of people displaced from their jobs like i'm seeing articles. Now that, like computer programmers are going to be out of work and like accountants like any kind of anything where you have to type on a keyboard
00:38:12.220 --> 00:38:20.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to to do your your your job could eventually get outsourced to an AI, And then, like, just think about the
00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:29.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: again the impact on the brain of being scared like that could happen to me. And then what's that going to do to your neurophysiology?
00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:47.550 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Absolutely, and and that fear, You know, we talk about that fear, that lack of control, that now lack of trust in in my foundation? Can I? Can I feed my family? Can I, you know, do all the things I've been doing, and when we talk about the impact, you know the the ripple effect is that
00:38:47.550 --> 00:38:58.720 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: the staffing agencies who who staff you know the engineers, the the accountants, everybody who's going to be impacted. They're also impacted. And then you know everybody who relies on like, so it just like
00:38:58.940 --> 00:39:07.390 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: we'll see, and I I think AI is incredible. I I use it. I'm just scratching the surface of learning how to use it effectively. And
00:39:07.750 --> 00:39:24.290 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: it's amazing. You know I wouldn't. I wouldn't change being in this time and place, because, wow, we're precipice, and it's also scary. It's like stepping off into space. You know, everything's going to be okay, but maybe it won't.
00:39:24.370 --> 00:39:30.570 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: And and so how does that affect us like like anything like like inflation, like
00:39:30.600 --> 00:39:45.630 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: you know, the the potential of you know other countries destabilizing our da like. There's so much going on right now to that can create fear. So that's why in in our brains. You know. How do we?
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.910 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: How do we resource ourselves and nourish ourselves emotionally, mentally, physically.
00:39:51.980 --> 00:40:02.640 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so that we're not flying out on on all of these whims on all these fantastical whims, and coming back into presence and realizing, you know right now i'm safe
00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:08.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right right? And what can I do from safety Versus what do I do from like? Oh, my God.
00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:14.340 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: there's a big difference in how we can impact our own lives and each other
00:40:14.610 --> 00:40:16.040 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: from presence.
00:40:17.610 --> 00:40:23.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. I'm curious. I I've heard stories like years ago that
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:33.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: leaders at a tech companies were meditating during their lunch break, but they didn't want anyone to know about it, because they thought people would think they're
00:40:34.180 --> 00:40:40.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to woo, and and it seems to be much more acceptable now.
00:40:40.160 --> 00:40:45.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I i'm just wondering what so like this whole idea of presence, of mindfulness, of.
00:40:47.660 --> 00:40:54.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of of really focusing our nervous system in a way that can help us in in our
00:40:54.200 --> 00:40:55.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: position
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:57.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that the
00:40:58.060 --> 00:41:13.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is there any resistance to that anymore? I mean, is it just so widely accepted that just it it's easy for people to like connect to it, or is there still some resistance? Is there still some sense in in the business community at large that like?
00:41:13.510 --> 00:41:25.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, that's semi woo stuff out right, you know. I think there are all different opinions of that. I think that where we misstep with mindfulness is that we didn't go into the action.
00:41:26.020 --> 00:41:28.490 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so it's not just about like
00:41:29.030 --> 00:41:31.350 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: sending out. It's about
00:41:31.370 --> 00:41:39.920 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: finding that stillness so that you can make better choices, know what all the options are, and and then make moves from there.
00:41:40.040 --> 00:41:46.340 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: So it's. You know where we where we tripped up with mindfulness, I believe, was that we we just got into the Loo.
00:41:46.400 --> 00:42:02.160 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and we we brought it in, and it's done amazing wonderful things for for those of us who use meditation. But for those of us who meditation isn't accessible to, because our minds are moving too fast. It's difficult to slow down all of those things. What do we do?
00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:10.630 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: That's where I believe that you know from this place of of cognition we can't focus on presence.
00:42:11.080 --> 00:42:25.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and then distill from there, and it brings everything really into a clarity, not necessarily a focus, but a clarity, so that we understand what our options are. We just make better choices from here.
00:42:25.040 --> 00:42:37.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, do you have, maybe, before the break to share a practice. Is there something you like to give to your clients to say? Hey, Why, don't you try this practice to help you to get? Be more mindful or get into presence.
00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:55.470 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Yeah, you know, it's different for everybody, because all of these companies have different needs and have created different frameworks for themselves. But you know, typically, when we can have a real conversation without getting triggered, it allows us to start to build that trust that maybe has been broken down. And so the practice of
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:16.240 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: let's really get distilled here. Say what's true without being harmful without without bypassing, or I guess the term gaslighting has been way over. But what is true without focusing or pushing it through our own agenda, so that we can hear other opinions
00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:35.040 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and have a real conversation, and so that people feel like they belong here rather than they're being dictated to or commanded. Because I think that's you know the the biggest thing that I hear right now. The biggest complaint is that we're not listen to. And and we don't feel like we matter.
00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:37.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:43:37.750 --> 00:43:50.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, it it it sounds a lot. Also, there's a practice or a thing called nonviolent communication. which I understand is is one sort of strategy or one methodology
00:43:50.560 --> 00:43:57.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for helping people to communicate in a way that makes it very easy for the listener to hear what the other person is saying
00:43:57.930 --> 00:44:16.200 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: absolutely, and in order to use nonviolent communication and the strategies that are involved there which are really lovely and brilliant, and they work in order to do that we have to be present with ourselves. So we're not just mounting the words. There's a there are a lot of people who know the spiritual language know the nonviolent communication language.
00:44:16.200 --> 00:44:29.030 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: but it's all language. So it's all like front of face and not really entire system. And it we really need to have it be core and and have be in that practice.
00:44:29.030 --> 00:44:42.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, man, yeah, unfortunately, all right. It's time for us to take our last break. My God, I could talk to you about this stuff for hours when we come back. I
00:44:43.170 --> 00:44:46.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I I want to touch upon maybe a
00:44:46.950 --> 00:45:03.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a challenging topic, because I see it coming up in in conversation a lot lately, and that's about psychedelics, and how that shifts neuro cognition, because I know they're doing a lot of studies at Imperial College and John Hopkins and nyu around it. I'm: just curious to your perspective on it. Okay.
00:45:03.080 --> 00:45:16.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah, let's do that awesome, awesome. So everyone please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now awakening humanity, and we'll be right back with our guests. Tressor bundran in just a moment.
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00:47:24.330 --> 00:47:37.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back. So Tresa, ever since Michael Pollen came out with his book, how to change your mind and the the documentary movie, the fantastic fungi featuring Paul Stam. It's.
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:47.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Psychedux has really been in a lot of people's, minds and conversations or sole industries popping up. I mean my wife who is a psychotherapist. She's now doing ketamine, assisted psychotherapy.
00:47:47.900 --> 00:48:03.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: which ketamine is like the only you know, federally legal psychedelic substance that they're using in a in a in a healing session setting a. Have you seen the psychedelics impacting the field of sort of neuroscience and neuro cognition? Is it
00:48:03.540 --> 00:48:12.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: helping us to learn more about how the mind work, or is it helping us to to to even enhance how our minds already work?
00:48:12.200 --> 00:48:21.020 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Yeah, my my close friends, who are a therapist, and who are getting certified in using those modalities. say nothing negative.
00:48:21.060 --> 00:48:37.820 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: There are so many clinical trials and and so many positive anecdotal outcomes that you know we can only have more hope for the use of psychedelics. I will tell you from my experience, and, like, I think
00:48:37.850 --> 00:48:39.650 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: we can broaden
00:48:40.530 --> 00:48:50.690 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: what we know about ourselves by opening the door with psychedelics, and once we understand how to open the door.
00:48:51.290 --> 00:48:56.620 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: what are we doing If we keep just going back to open the door and going back and going back and going back.
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:15.360 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: So that's my question for me personally. And I you know I have. I Have you some psychedelics just to understand more about how they affect my brain that has nothing to do with how they affect other people's brains. So i'm not having that experience so, and i'm not a therapist. I'm not a doctor.
00:49:15.610 --> 00:49:17.490 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: All I know is
00:49:17.560 --> 00:49:21.540 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: what I know about what I've experienced, and what I've learned, and so
00:49:21.610 --> 00:49:34.670 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: I think they have their place absolutely. I don't think they are an absolute answer, and I don't think I know that for me they're not a long term Answer. Like I. I
00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:55.320 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: like purposely found an ayahuasca journey, and purposely immersed myself in that one time, and I know that I don't necessarily need to do that again. I also know people who have gone back 47 times, and so I have a real curiosity. And I can't
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:02.630 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: make a judgment about what's right for anybody else. But I can say that I already know how to open that door, and I can do it with breathwork.
00:50:02.790 --> 00:50:08.940 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: And so what would I rather do that, and know that there's a like my big.
00:50:09.020 --> 00:50:25.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: my big issue with using psychedelics. And this this is true from when I was a total dork in high school and college, too, is that I want to know when I can end it. I don't want to just be in it, for that's part of my control, right? That's part of it. I have things to do. Come on
00:50:25.270 --> 00:50:38.340 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: so by 2, 15, so i'm doing a podcast. So so part of it for me is that I understand how to get there and have a very similar
00:50:38.910 --> 00:50:40.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: experience
00:50:40.990 --> 00:50:41.890 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: on breath.
00:50:42.150 --> 00:50:49.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Yeah. Holotropic breathwork is amazing, and and the work that's done it's love graph has done is truly remarkable.
00:50:49.550 --> 00:50:52.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And yeah, I mean to to me my perspective. I just see
00:50:52.810 --> 00:51:14.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so many people diving in, but without the support of of working with either a therapist or a counselor, or an integration coach to really help them to integrate the experience. It's like we all kind of go searching for that peak experience. But we don't realize that, like without integrating that peak experience into our day to day life. We're kind of losing the real juice of it. Aren't. We
00:51:14.150 --> 00:51:25.750 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: absolutely please please work with somebody who knows what they're doing. I think that's so important, and you know I know people who say, oh, Ken, I mean assessed assisted there. It'd be great. I've used ketamine.
00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:42.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, before i'll just use ketamine, but that's really not how it works. That's not how the research shows that it works. And do I believe in the positive outcomes? Absolutely. And yes, please work with someone who knows what they're doing right? Right? Absolutely absolutely.
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:47.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where do you see things going in in the neuro-cognitive space?
00:51:47.400 --> 00:52:01.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you think like we're gonna discover new things about the brain, and have even better ways of being mindful and being present. Or do you think we kind of have a pretty good sense, and we're we're pretty pretty good with that.
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:10.320 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: That's a great question, you know, for my my friends, who are in the science, who who have their doctorate and are doing research. I really believe they will always be discovering something new.
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:32.870 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: you know, and something that seems very small could make a huge impact on how we learn, like what we're learning about nutrition, and how nutrition affects the brain like it's like. We will constantly hopefully be learning. That's what's exciting to me. That's like that's the turn on of of living, you know, is that we constantly get to learn and experience and explore. That's what we're here to do. And so the more opportunities we have to do that
00:52:32.870 --> 00:52:43.640 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: the better. So so let's continue to learn, and the the minute we say? Oh, that's that's done. There's nothing left to learn there. I think we close ourselves off to to important impact and potential.
00:52:44.210 --> 00:52:47.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you think leaders today
00:52:47.780 --> 00:53:06.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: are more open to this idea of of neuro-cognitive science application to their leadership. I mean, you know I know everyone wants to be more efficient and more effective and all that other stuff. But does it feel like there is a a wider opening when you kind of get into that space with someone.
00:53:06.770 --> 00:53:25.570 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Yeah, you know, I think people want things that are data driven and research proven, and so that I think that they're more willing to access and use and request methods that have a foundation in being able to use that data and research for positive impact in their organizations and in their lives.
00:53:25.570 --> 00:53:28.800 And that makes total sense. I also know that
00:53:29.050 --> 00:53:31.900 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: again. You know we're we're coming back to.
00:53:32.050 --> 00:53:50.930 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: What do we actually need here? What do, what actually, what outcomes do we want? Are we turning people into machines? Are we trying to get along better? Do we want people to buy into our values that that that we're not demonstrating, or that we haven't understood how to demonstrate, so that people buy in there's there's so much going on so many facets to
00:53:50.930 --> 00:54:09.890 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: to what makes it work from this neuro-cognitive perspective. It's also a human perspective. So how do we have a a culture centric human centric opportunity to explore the possibilities of our creativity, of our connection, of what what we can make in the world together
00:54:09.890 --> 00:54:13.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if we only focus on science.
00:54:13.200 --> 00:54:32.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. So again, it all comes back to the human being right. It all comes back to us whether whether we're talking technology or or or talking culture and and and how to be build an effective organization. It really comes down to the individual, and I think that sometimes
00:54:32.750 --> 00:54:35.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that gets lost, that that
00:54:35.590 --> 00:54:42.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: people think they can mandate a changing culture in their organization, but they don't live it themselves.
00:54:42.960 --> 00:55:02.450 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: That that piece, Sam, that you know in every single organization that I go into, that is the core. And now, how do we understand our mission better? So we can change it so that we can live it, or so that we can actually live it, and that's that's the piece like we all want to believe in what we're doing. We don't want to just show up
00:55:02.450 --> 00:55:16.790 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: and be a cog and the wheel. We wanna we want to really know that we're making a difference. We're making an impact, whatever that is, and and if we can't believe that because we don't see our leaders demonstrating that then you know that everything starts to fall apart, and the moment we lose trust
00:55:17.100 --> 00:55:22.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: everything starts to crumble, whether we leave or not.
00:55:22.690 --> 00:55:38.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, just so, unfortunately, we're running out of time, and it's been so wonderful having you on my show. I literally I could talk to you for hours. But if people listening want to learn more about you, more about your work, where would they find you? How would they reach out to you.
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:53.510 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Yeah, the my consulting agency is the taproot way.com we're type of ventures. So the temporary.com, and to find me personally, it's just Teresa yonakawa.com or epic auto, E. P. I. C. O. To
00:55:53.510 --> 00:56:11.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wonderful! Well, Trista, thank you so much for taking the time to come on my show today. It was a pleasure having you, hey? If you ever think about wanting to do your own show, we'd love to have you join the network so definitely reach out and let me know, because I think with what you're doing, it would be awesome to have a show just dedicated to that.
00:56:11.330 --> 00:56:16.610 Tressa Yonekawa Bundren: Thank you for that. Invite Sam very heartfelt. I appreciate the time it's been a pleasure.
00:56:16.660 --> 00:56:46.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You're so welcome You're so welcome. And of course thank you my loyal listeners for tuning in. As always, I so appreciate you. Without you there is no show. So thank you for my loyal listeners, who tune in week after week. And, hey, if you enjoyed this interview in this conversation, please share with your friends, and hey, Don't, forget, subscribe to our Youtube Channel. youtube.com Slash assigned talking alternative. Help us grow we where our subscribers are way up from where they were, but we need to get them
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