EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Marvin L. Wilkerson, spiritual and therapeutic astrologer, certified hypnotist, and master NLP practitioner whose three decades of work sit at the meeting place of ancient wisdom and modern science.
Marvin is the author and creator of Soul Fusion Healing: Integrating Mind, Body, and Soul, and the founder of the healing framework by the same name. His practice integrates Therapeutic Astrology, Soul Fusion and Quantum Healing, and personal energy awareness into a practical path for transformation, one that has guided clients over the years in uncovering karmic patterns, releasing emotional blocks, and aligning with their true spiritual essence.
At the heart of Marvin's work is a conviction that healing begins when the soul, mind, and body are brought back into harmony. He sees the astrological blueprint as a map of the emotional and psychological patterns each soul arrives with, and the subconscious as the quiet operating system through which those patterns keep running our lives until they are consciously met.
His method draws on hypnotherapy, neuro-linguistic programming, and quantum healing to help people reach the levels of the psyche where lasting change actually lives, and to reunite the fragmented parts of self that unresolved experience so often leaves behind. His gift is translating esoteric material into language people can actually use, so complex ideas about karma, consciousness, and the subconscious mind become tools rather than mysteries.
Together, Sam and Marvin explore what it means to work with the soul's blueprint as a living guide rather than a fixed diagnosis. They discuss the intersection of spirituality and neuroscience in personal healing, how to reprogram subconscious patterns that no longer serve, and the practice of healing soul-fragmentation through Soul Fusion Healing and Quantum Healing Hypnosis.
This episode is an invitation to consider that awakening is not only a matter of insight, but of integration, and that when the soul, mind, and body come back into alignment, the life we were meant to live begins to move through us with less resistance and more grace.
Tune in and share your own questions and comments about connecting to your soul on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
Sam Liebowitz opens the show by reading his blog post on how transitions, from a sunset or a change of seasons to the loss of a loved one, are sacred openings to shift our inner lives, and he invites listeners to meet each one mindfully rather than with resistance. His guest, spiritual and therapeutic astrologer, hypnotist, and Soul Fusion Healing founder Marvin Wilkerson, traces his path from a childhood fascination with Jesus's words to a mother-sparked awakening through Krishnamurti, and on through astrology, regression work, and three decades of walking the talk. Marvin describes astrology as an energy map of the soul's purpose, urges us to loosen rigid beliefs and find our validation in nature and the wisdom of the great enlightened teachers rather than in the outer world, and leaves listeners with the invitation to let go and live fully in the present moment of transition.
Marvin explains that Soul Fusion Healing works with the two-mind relationship: the protective ego of the conscious mind, and a subconscious that replays old emotional wounds, so feelings and intuition become our most honest guides while thinking keeps us trapped in duality. Through hypnosis, NLP, and his "parent-child" process, in which the wiser adult self joins the wounded inner child to revisit the original event and every echo of it, he helps clients release old protective patterns, while their astrological chart serves as a map of the soul's mission and the quantum field as the place where the soul speaks for itself. He closes by reminding us that these turbulent times are an invitation to reclaim our sovereignty as co-creators, to transform harsh self-talk through daily positive affirmations, and to stay in the present moment of transition, where we can heal ourselves and our ancestral lineage, and he shares where listeners can find his book Soul Fusion Healing and his websites, BLHypnosis.com and AstroMarv.com.
00:00:44.910 --> 00:00:56.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my Conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity.
00:00:56.830 --> 00:01:06.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another wonderful show in store for you with,
00:01:06.060 --> 00:01:22.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: great guest, who I'm looking forward to bringing on in just a moment. But first, of course, we do have our blog post, just taking them in order from a couple of years ago. And this one, I think, is rather apropos.
00:01:22.420 --> 00:01:25.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, today's blog post is entitled.
00:01:26.210 --> 00:01:33.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Transitions are powerful times that can serve us on our inner journey.
00:01:35.170 --> 00:01:38.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are many transitions in our lives.
00:01:38.790 --> 00:01:42.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From the time we are born until we die.
00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We are constantly going through transitions.
00:01:47.170 --> 00:01:49.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet we often do not give them a thought.
00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:53.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From being one age to another.
00:01:53.910 --> 00:01:55.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Walking through a doorway.
00:01:56.090 --> 00:01:58.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or going up the stairs.
00:01:58.990 --> 00:02:03.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Going from one room to the other, one floor to the other.
00:02:04.230 --> 00:02:08.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We travel from one country to another.
00:02:09.880 --> 00:02:12.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And how often do we give a thought
00:02:13.090 --> 00:02:15.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To the transition we just went through.
00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:21.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Transitions can be life-altering moments.
00:02:23.750 --> 00:02:27.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like becoming an adult from being a child.
00:02:27.890 --> 00:02:32.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or a parent transitioning from this earth to their next existence.
00:02:33.770 --> 00:02:43.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet when the transitions are subtle or common, like going from one season to another, We often ignore them.
00:02:44.570 --> 00:02:48.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We ignore their power and their opportunity.
00:02:48.910 --> 00:02:54.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The opportunity to shift what we want to shift in our own lives.
00:02:54.850 --> 00:03:03.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To seize the power of the external transition and use it for an internal transition. Excuse me.
00:03:05.650 --> 00:03:08.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They can serve us in so many ways.
00:03:10.590 --> 00:03:13.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So when we overlook them and ignore them.
00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:18.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We miss a chance to fully embrace the moment.
00:03:18.690 --> 00:03:21.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and transition ourselves.
00:03:22.340 --> 00:03:26.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Transitioning ourselves from where we are to where we want to be.
00:03:27.660 --> 00:03:29.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From who we are.
00:03:29.650 --> 00:03:31.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To who we want to be.
00:03:33.090 --> 00:03:38.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Shifting our perspective from what once was not possible.
00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To what can be possible in this new moment.
00:03:44.430 --> 00:03:47.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Moving from pain to joy.
00:03:48.030 --> 00:03:50.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From sadness to acceptance.
00:03:51.990 --> 00:04:01.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual transitions are moments of great power and opportunity.
00:04:02.100 --> 00:04:13.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we recognize that any external transition we are going through can support us in transitioning some aspect of our lives.
00:04:14.810 --> 00:04:21.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Even as we transition, From daytime to nighttime during a sunset.
00:04:22.340 --> 00:04:26.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or from nighttime to daytime during the dawn.
00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:34.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Every single day, there is a transition we can take advantage of and utilize for our own growth.
00:04:35.310 --> 00:04:42.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is up to us to recognize the transition and see how we can apply it to our own lives.
00:04:43.570 --> 00:04:48.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: See how it can serve us or those around us.
00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:57.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And allow any transition in our lives to be one of opportunity and not resistance.
00:05:00.140 --> 00:05:10.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Kind of interesting that this blog post came up right now, since we literally just changed from…
00:05:10.390 --> 00:05:12.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Summer to Autumn.
00:05:13.970 --> 00:05:23.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Monday was… was the start of, autumn, and
00:05:24.330 --> 00:05:31.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: now we get to enter into the fall, into the… in the Northeast, into the cooler weather here.
00:05:33.540 --> 00:05:39.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Into a time when now there begins to be more darkness than light in a day.
00:05:40.380 --> 00:05:43.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A time where we harvest.
00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The efforts that we've put forth throughout the year.
00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:52.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Until we transition again into winter, a time of rest.
00:05:52.850 --> 00:05:59.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I've talked about it on my show before, about how The external seasons.
00:06:00.020 --> 00:06:03.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do reflect a different pace for our lives.
00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:16.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But how much we've cut ourselves off from nature so we don't allow ourselves to truly be affected, by what's going on around us. But the seasons still turn.
00:06:17.320 --> 00:06:19.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And things still change.
00:06:23.750 --> 00:06:26.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we are constantly living in transition.
00:06:29.490 --> 00:06:33.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, you know, I even point out in the blog post that even just
00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:36.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Watching a sunset, or a sunrise.
00:06:36.630 --> 00:06:38.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's a beautiful transition.
00:06:41.210 --> 00:06:44.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The end of one day, the start of another day.
00:06:45.320 --> 00:06:56.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? We can use that transition to really service. Like, if we've had a really tough day working, or in the office, or at home, whatever.
00:06:57.330 --> 00:07:01.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Allowing the sunset to… take the…
00:07:01.890 --> 00:07:04.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Energy of that day with it.
00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:11.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or when we begin a new day, and… We wake up…
00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:15.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the sun starts to peek through the clouds in the morning.
00:07:16.630 --> 00:07:27.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To allow that new… that transition to this new day to reinvigorate us, and allow us to have a different experience, maybe, than the day before.
00:07:31.520 --> 00:07:41.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And sometimes there are really challenging transitions, like when a loved one or someone close to us gets sick, and we know they're going to pass on soon.
00:07:45.030 --> 00:07:49.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That transition sometimes is the hardest of all, because
00:07:49.660 --> 00:07:54.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Once they are gone, we're still here, but our life is different.
00:07:55.220 --> 00:07:57.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do we handle that transition?
00:08:01.400 --> 00:08:06.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A long time ago, someone once told me that
00:08:06.200 --> 00:08:10.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How we enter into a relationship.
00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:15.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dictates the energy of that relationship overall.
00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:29.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, entering into a new relationship with anything. It doesn't have to be a person, could be a project, could be a sales call, it could be going to, you know, a new store opened up in your neighborhood.
00:08:29.960 --> 00:08:33.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Those are all, new relationships.
00:08:37.590 --> 00:08:42.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… and how we transition into those relationships.
00:08:45.040 --> 00:08:52.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Really do… does affect How that relationship overall will go.
00:08:56.380 --> 00:09:05.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… I guess this blog post is really just a call To be more mindful?
00:09:06.780 --> 00:09:09.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That when something shifts in our life.
00:09:10.330 --> 00:09:13.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whether it's something small or something large.
00:09:13.970 --> 00:09:18.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To pay attention to that shift. To pay attention to that moment.
00:09:19.220 --> 00:09:22.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're just about to go into something new.
00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:29.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What kind of energy do we want to bring into this new experience?
00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:33.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What kind of… Life do we want to live?
00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:38.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whether it's a new day, a new week, a new month, a new year…
00:09:46.280 --> 00:09:50.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can learn to use these transitions.
00:09:51.610 --> 00:09:55.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To truly support Where we want to go.
00:09:57.980 --> 00:10:07.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, that's my blog post. It is entitled, Transitions Are Powerful Times That Can Service on Our Inner Journey.
00:10:07.950 --> 00:10:19.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, of course, you can always find my blogs on theconsciousconsultant.com or on the station's website at TalkRadio.nyc slash blog.
00:10:19.400 --> 00:10:35.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, if you like my blog posts, check out my book, Everyday Awakening. Also, I haven't mentioned it much, but, you know, I have an audio version of it now, so please feel free to check out the audio version if you've already gotten the written version of the book.
00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:47.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Marvin Wilkinson, spiritual and therapeutic astrologer, certified hypnotist.
00:10:47.400 --> 00:10:56.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and master NLP practitioner whose three decades of work sit at the meeting place of ancient wisdom and modern science.
00:10:56.850 --> 00:11:06.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Marvin is the author and creator of Soul Fusion Healing, integrating mind, body, and soul, and the founder of the healing framework by the same name.
00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:29.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: His practice integrates therapeutic astrology, gotta ask him about that, soul fusion and quantum healing, and personal energy awareness into a practical path for transformation, one that has guided clients over the years in uncovering karmic patterns, releasing emotional blocks, and aligning with their true spiritual essence.
00:11:29.610 --> 00:11:37.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: At the heart of Marvin's work is a conviction that healing begins when the soul, mind, and body are brought back into harmony.
00:11:37.630 --> 00:11:55.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He sees the astrological blueprint as a map of the emotional and psychological patterns each soul arrives with, and the subconscious as the quiet operating system through which these patterns keep running our lives until they are consciously met.
00:11:55.450 --> 00:11:58.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Marvin.
00:11:59.290 --> 00:12:03.419 Marvin Wilkerson: Oh, glad to be here. I enjoyed all that.
00:12:03.420 --> 00:12:20.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you, thank you. It's a pleasure to have you. So, I always like to start off just kind of asking how people get into this stuff, because, you know, these paths of healing and energy work, astrology, it's not your common path. It's not like.
00:12:20.830 --> 00:12:21.660 Marvin Wilkerson: No.
00:12:21.660 --> 00:12:28.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, you go to the supermarket, talk to people, you're gonna find a whole bunch of people doing this. So, I'm always so curious about…
00:12:28.940 --> 00:12:32.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How you got drawn into all this stuff?
00:12:35.030 --> 00:12:45.320 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, I was indoctrinated into a little bit of the church theology as a little boy.
00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:56.749 Marvin Wilkerson: I was always… Lance… I could see myself constantly just landing the floor, opening up this big family Bible, and reading the red.
00:12:56.830 --> 00:13:03.699 Marvin Wilkerson: I was always just totally curious about what Jesus had to say.
00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:04.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:13:04.690 --> 00:13:11.539 Marvin Wilkerson: And then as I grew up into my teen years, My mother started a search.
00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:31.159 Marvin Wilkerson: And, you know, it was just something on a sideline for me. I never gave it much thought. But she was in, you know, questioning the church and the doctrine and all of that kind of thing. One day, I came home from school, and she was, you know, we got into a little bit of a discussion about, you know.
00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:44.809 Marvin Wilkerson: the biblical side and all of that kind of thing, and I was defending it. And she says, well, here, read this, and it was, Think On These Things by Judah Krishnamurti.
00:13:45.510 --> 00:13:56.499 Marvin Wilkerson: That is one powerful book, and what it left me with was the concept and idea that I could think for myself.
00:13:56.940 --> 00:14:01.500 Marvin Wilkerson: And then, once that path opened up, Of course.
00:14:01.680 --> 00:14:06.060 Marvin Wilkerson: Then you got into, the…
00:14:06.700 --> 00:14:18.940 Marvin Wilkerson: I got into astrology, I studied… got into psychics and tarot cards, and of course, I grew up in Virginia Beach, so there's the Edgar Casey Foundation.
00:14:18.940 --> 00:14:19.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:14:19.350 --> 00:14:20.900 Marvin Wilkerson: Which sucked me in.
00:14:20.900 --> 00:14:21.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:31.699 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, it was just a, natural inclination, for my curiosities were always what was the motivation
00:14:31.870 --> 00:14:36.799 Marvin Wilkerson: Behind people's actions and activities.
00:14:37.290 --> 00:14:45.979 Marvin Wilkerson: And I guess that kind of comes over from the past, because the very first thing I got into being preachy about was reincarnation.
00:14:46.250 --> 00:15:06.119 Marvin Wilkerson: I used to tell a lot of my sailor boys in Norfolk, Virginia, I said, man, you gotta understand reincarnation, and then the whole vista opens up to understanding why life is. And so, that's kind of how I got started, and of course, it never left me.
00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:06.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Skeptical.
00:15:06.930 --> 00:15:15.850 Marvin Wilkerson: Seeking and seeking and seeking, and once you get into this path, it's a never-ending path, you know,
00:15:16.530 --> 00:15:26.190 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, it just, you just keep growing, and then, of course, when I met my spiritual teacher in, in the 90s.
00:15:26.340 --> 00:15:32.910 Marvin Wilkerson: He said the most graphic thing that I ever remember. He says, walk the talk or throw the shit away.
00:15:33.390 --> 00:15:33.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's true.
00:15:33.850 --> 00:15:35.325 Marvin Wilkerson: Nope.
00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:37.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, goodness.
00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:41.180 Marvin Wilkerson: So, as a 40-year-old man, I said.
00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:48.020 Marvin Wilkerson: You know, there's so much truth to that. I mean, you know, what the heck's all the learning if you can't walk the talk?
00:15:48.020 --> 00:15:48.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:15:48.520 --> 00:15:55.779 Marvin Wilkerson: And so… From 40 to 75 now, my job is to walk the talk.
00:15:56.130 --> 00:15:56.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:15:56.950 --> 00:16:03.680 Marvin Wilkerson: So, as I learn it, I live it, and I'm always in transition.
00:16:03.940 --> 00:16:16.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There you go. At what point did you decide… like, I'm assuming that while you were studying all this stuff, you still had, like, regular daytime job, and you were doing stuff.
00:16:16.550 --> 00:16:17.800 Marvin Wilkerson: Oh, yeah.
00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:22.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: support yourself. At what point did you decide to step into this full-time?
00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:37.209 Marvin Wilkerson: in the 90s, when I met… just before I met my spiritual teacher, I, I had another astrology teacher that I was studying under for about 5, 6 years.
00:16:37.350 --> 00:16:42.839 Marvin Wilkerson: And, I started… I went to a conference with her.
00:16:43.010 --> 00:16:46.540 Marvin Wilkerson: And then went into another conference with her,
00:16:46.970 --> 00:16:51.880 Marvin Wilkerson: And they were pretty big conferences. They only… they last every 4 years.
00:16:51.910 --> 00:16:52.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:16:52.470 --> 00:17:05.020 Marvin Wilkerson: But, that's where my, spiritual, teacher showed up in the 90s, and I was in transition out of,
00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.880 Marvin Wilkerson: Kind of bumping around, getting out of the…
00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:12.139 Marvin Wilkerson: Auto repair business and car business.
00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.680 Marvin Wilkerson: Pinto? What was the next thing for me to do?
00:17:17.300 --> 00:17:17.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.429 Marvin Wilkerson: And I sold a little advertising, and I…
00:17:20.730 --> 00:17:34.450 Marvin Wilkerson: did a couple of different things, and one day I said… I asked my astrology teacher, I said, can I make a living teaching astrology… or reading astrology? And she says, yeah.
00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.410 Marvin Wilkerson: Of course, that was the first lie.
00:17:38.830 --> 00:17:45.909 Marvin Wilkerson: But I never gave up, and
00:17:46.330 --> 00:18:05.820 Marvin Wilkerson: I studied and studied, I mean, I used to read two, three books a week, so I'm, I'm pretty steeped in astrology. And then one time I told a client of mine here about 14 years ago, I said, you know, you've got some subconscious patterns that need to be
00:18:06.150 --> 00:18:18.389 Marvin Wilkerson: brought forward, and I said, somebody needs to do a regression. Of course, I was introduced to that in the 70s, along with Brian Wiese and Dick Sutvin, and
00:18:18.390 --> 00:18:35.199 Marvin Wilkerson: you know, this is what all those hippies did. And so, you know, she'd come back to me and say, well, well, I can't find anybody. I says, oh, heck, I'll do it. And it was just… it was just something out of my past, so…
00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:48.719 Marvin Wilkerson: I, I said, well, heck, let me look up and see if they've come up with anything new around regression, and I've got this book called The New Regression Therapy from a man out in Denver.
00:18:49.150 --> 00:18:50.570 Marvin Wilkerson: And,
00:18:51.160 --> 00:19:00.929 Marvin Wilkerson: So I, you know, that started me on that, and he said something about, you know, you should always… you should probably take a couple of courses in hypnosis.
00:19:01.300 --> 00:19:02.540 Marvin Wilkerson: I said, hypnosis?
00:19:03.040 --> 00:19:05.130 Marvin Wilkerson: Now, that's new!
00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:15.489 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, that led me into the journey of hypnosis, and I took, like, 3 different certifications from different,
00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:21.470 Marvin Wilkerson: different, sources, and I've studied about 5-600 hours of
00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:27.060 Marvin Wilkerson: conflict resolution with people, and here I am today.
00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:28.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow. Wow.
00:19:29.860 --> 00:19:49.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Quite a path. You know, something I wanted to ask you about, because I've had many different astrologers who do different forms of astrology, evolutionary astrology, other stuff, I've never heard of therapeutic astrology. What do you mean by the term therapeutic astrology?
00:19:50.250 --> 00:19:56.889 Marvin Wilkerson: Well… When I have somebody come to me, I mean, you know, astrology is nothing but an energy map.
00:19:57.180 --> 00:20:05.399 Marvin Wilkerson: And it's the map that tells me what your soul is trying to accomplish, where it's been, where it wants to go.
00:20:06.570 --> 00:20:17.919 Marvin Wilkerson: Einstein is my favorite quote around energy. All is energy, and that's all there is to it. Match the frequency, vibration, and it must occur.
00:20:18.050 --> 00:20:34.909 Marvin Wilkerson: So, when I re… when I work with people, regardless of their conflict, I want to know how they're using certain, energies. What is their dynamics that, of that energy gestalt?
00:20:35.060 --> 00:20:45.490 Marvin Wilkerson: That they're using in their life, and then how that is impacting their beliefs and philosophies and problems that are showing up in the body.
00:20:45.820 --> 00:20:55.049 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, when I say therapeutic, it's about helping you to understand a better use of energy.
00:20:55.450 --> 00:20:57.500 Marvin Wilkerson: Than what you're using it.
00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:02.039 Marvin Wilkerson: And, how to help you understand,
00:21:02.620 --> 00:21:06.519 Marvin Wilkerson: What that might look like in your life, if you did that.
00:21:06.610 --> 00:21:07.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Hmm.
00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:14.799 Marvin Wilkerson: You know, we build these belief systems, and we build… or build philosophies of,
00:21:15.110 --> 00:21:18.389 Marvin Wilkerson: How we, how we live through our lives.
00:21:20.420 --> 00:21:34.450 Marvin Wilkerson: And, you know, I liked, I liked what James Hillman, the great psychologist of the, the past century, said. I mean, to be sane, you must recognize your beliefs as fictions.
00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:39.080 Marvin Wilkerson: So that transitions right into your transition.
00:21:39.080 --> 00:21:39.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:44.849 Marvin Wilkerson: The moment that you… the moment that you stuck in a belief.
00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.800 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, then that's what you're… you're boxed in.
00:21:48.310 --> 00:21:48.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:57.250 Marvin Wilkerson: Because that's what's going to, that's what's going to, manifest.
00:21:57.670 --> 00:21:58.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:04.339 Marvin Wilkerson: So, I think one of the things that I have to operate, or that I have to…
00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:16.319 Marvin Wilkerson: Really work on is helping people break down some of their rigidity and their belief systems so that they can live in the moment, or live in the transition.
00:22:16.570 --> 00:22:23.890 Marvin Wilkerson: Because there's only one time. There's only one moment. And if you don't live in the transition.
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:26.130 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, then you're living in a belief.
00:22:27.650 --> 00:22:29.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm, mmm.
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:37.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, you've been steeped into this stuff for a while, you know, about 30 years, maybe a little more.
00:22:38.990 --> 00:22:49.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have you seen people become more open to this work, less open to this work? Like, more interested in the kinds of things that you offer compared to when you started?
00:22:50.580 --> 00:22:52.249 Marvin Wilkerson: Oh, heaven, Jess.
00:22:52.370 --> 00:23:03.830 Marvin Wilkerson: I mean, when you… when you walk around in the 70s and tell people you're astrology… you're an astrologer, first off, you don't show up in corporate America.
00:23:03.830 --> 00:23:04.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You're rough.
00:23:04.410 --> 00:23:22.390 Marvin Wilkerson: Second off, you are really on the periphery of people's view of what truth is. So your answer is yes, and I mean, especially in the last several years, as things are gotten tough.
00:23:22.570 --> 00:23:28.569 Marvin Wilkerson: As we've went through COVID, people are grasping
00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:45.480 Marvin Wilkerson: for new concepts about living and life and how disease and illness, work in our life. And conflicts work in our life, because, I mean, we're in the greatest conflict of our lifetimes.
00:23:45.740 --> 00:23:48.820 Marvin Wilkerson: And,
00:23:48.930 --> 00:24:08.519 Marvin Wilkerson: That's going to be the impetus for people that's going to say, well, you know what? What I've done up to this point isn't quite working, so let me search for something that might be a little more in alignment with who I am and what the world is.
00:24:08.760 --> 00:24:09.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:24:09.630 --> 00:24:11.950 Marvin Wilkerson: You know, I was just reading,
00:24:12.080 --> 00:24:16.530 Marvin Wilkerson: Reading a little bit of, marcus Aurelius
00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:23.890 Marvin Wilkerson: In meditation. And he talked about, if a man doesn't know the world.
00:24:24.080 --> 00:24:27.290 Marvin Wilkerson: If a man doesn't know himself.
00:24:28.020 --> 00:24:33.530 Marvin Wilkerson: If a man doesn't understand the universe.
00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:35.770 Marvin Wilkerson: Why would you listen to him?
00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:38.530 Marvin Wilkerson: Because he doesn't understand himself.
00:24:40.410 --> 00:24:46.590 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, I'm forever, as an hypnotist, saying, look, the world was only feedback.
00:24:47.330 --> 00:24:54.479 Marvin Wilkerson: That's not something you buy into as the validation of who you are.
00:24:55.170 --> 00:25:01.450 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, a lot, you know, a vast majority of people that I deal with are clients.
00:25:01.650 --> 00:25:07.189 Marvin Wilkerson: It's, you know, they look outside of themselves for validation of who they are.
00:25:07.670 --> 00:25:12.330 Marvin Wilkerson: And, again, that's a great transition.
00:25:13.100 --> 00:25:18.920 Marvin Wilkerson: How to understand that you're not validated by external,
00:25:19.030 --> 00:25:24.540 Marvin Wilkerson: People, places, and things, except nature.
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:31.359 Marvin Wilkerson: Nature is the only truth. When they ask me, well, how do you find truth? I say, well, it's right there in nature.
00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:32.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:25:32.890 --> 00:25:38.970 Marvin Wilkerson: Man hasn't… man hasn't got his grubby hands on nature. Nature is a natural evolution.
00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:46.020 Marvin Wilkerson: And the, Universal Consciousness runs that, so…
00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:55.779 Marvin Wilkerson: look at nature. I'm big in animals. I'll study animal characteristics, and that helps us understand totems, and…
00:25:56.190 --> 00:26:02.429 Marvin Wilkerson: What kind of, what kind of characteristics we're inclined towards.
00:26:02.620 --> 00:26:04.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. Right.
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:10.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How has this work helped you in your own life? Like, what challenges has it helped you overcome?
00:26:11.510 --> 00:26:12.650 Marvin Wilkerson: Oh, man.
00:26:13.940 --> 00:26:20.910 Marvin Wilkerson: The greatest was the, the depth of insecurity that I was at 20 years old.
00:26:22.810 --> 00:26:37.790 Marvin Wilkerson: I mean, you know, I'm… I'm… I'm… I'm everything that I meet. I have… I have been… every conflict has ever been presented to me. I don't,
00:26:38.320 --> 00:26:43.850 Marvin Wilkerson: I, I, I think, you know, when, when…
00:26:44.150 --> 00:26:47.909 Marvin Wilkerson: When that… when that time period had occurred to me.
00:26:48.470 --> 00:26:50.660 Marvin Wilkerson: That you have to live in the moment.
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.519 Marvin Wilkerson: And that, you have to walk the talk.
00:26:56.430 --> 00:27:01.930 Marvin Wilkerson: then I could always have a place to, as a default.
00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:10.209 Marvin Wilkerson: For a philosophy that guided me how to live in a right connection with the universe.
00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:19.070 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, that is my default, is the philosophy that is built on
00:27:19.490 --> 00:27:28.090 Marvin Wilkerson: The shoulders of people that… that has been enlightened and influential people of 10,000 years and more.
00:27:28.290 --> 00:27:28.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:40.699 Marvin Wilkerson: I mean, studying the words of a lazu, of a Buddha, of a Jesus, of a Marcus Aurelius, of a Rumi, of a… I mean, all the giant minds.
00:27:40.930 --> 00:27:41.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:27:41.730 --> 00:28:01.250 Marvin Wilkerson: that have all said the same thing. And so, when people say, well, how do you understand universal truth? And I says, it's been espoused to us over and over and over through so many people.
00:28:01.490 --> 00:28:15.259 Marvin Wilkerson: So many enlightened beings, and there's just as many enlightened beings today as there was yesterday. And so, you know, one of my favorite studies is… has been, Dr. David Hawkins.
00:28:15.860 --> 00:28:18.250 Marvin Wilkerson: He studied,
00:28:18.360 --> 00:28:32.539 Marvin Wilkerson: kinesthetics for 30 years around the world, and came up with some tremendous books, and Power vs. Force, and Letting Go, which is my number one advised book for everybody.
00:28:32.990 --> 00:28:33.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right?
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.140 Marvin Wilkerson: No!
00:28:34.560 --> 00:28:50.449 Marvin Wilkerson: Let go of your routines, let go of your habits, let go of everything, and live, live in that transition, in the moment, energetically, without your conscious mind getting involved.
00:28:51.800 --> 00:28:53.630 Marvin Wilkerson: That's really experiencing.
00:28:54.000 --> 00:29:07.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, so when we come back, I want to ask you about your soul fusion healing, like, how that came about, what's involved with it, and then…
00:29:07.970 --> 00:29:17.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how do we actually let go? Because knowing that we want to let go, or need to let go of a habit, and actually letting go of it are two different things, so…
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:25.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'd like to give our audience some… some stuff they can chew on, after the show about how they actually do that, okay?
00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:27.280 Marvin Wilkerson: Okay.
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:28.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:48.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour Awakening Humanity. We do this every third… every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on TalkRadio.nyc and all over social media, and we'll be right back with our guest, Marvin Wilkinson, in just a moment.
00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:21.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour Awakening Humanity. So, Marvin, we've been talking about, sort of, your background and how you came to this work. Now, you created this thing, you call it Soul Fusion Healing. What is it, and how does it help?
00:31:23.270 --> 00:31:30.549 Marvin Wilkerson: So, fusion, you know, as a hypnotist, we study a lot of the conscious mind and the subconscious mind.
00:31:31.090 --> 00:31:45.449 Marvin Wilkerson: Of course, the greater mind is the subconscious mind is a million times more powerful than the conscious mind. And so, that is where the ego resides, and so we work on the conscious mind
00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:54.110 Marvin Wilkerson: As being the ego mind, which is just trying to protect you. It doesn't know you have a higher mind.
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.759 Marvin Wilkerson: And so…
00:31:56.080 --> 00:32:06.790 Marvin Wilkerson: The problem… and in and of itself, that's not the problem, but the problem is, is the conscious mind and the body are in relationship.
00:32:07.070 --> 00:32:17.110 Marvin Wilkerson: And whatever the conscious mind thinks, the body is going to respond. Whatever is held in the conscious mind, the body responds.
00:32:17.390 --> 00:32:31.579 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, there… when we go through life and have experiences, well, sometimes those experiences are hard to deal with, and then they get, they… that's when they are…
00:32:31.830 --> 00:32:37.599 Marvin Wilkerson: Put in our conscious mind… subconscious mind as a way of protection.
00:32:37.830 --> 00:32:39.499 Marvin Wilkerson: And protecting us.
00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:49.320 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, when we act out, or we're constantly in conflict over certain kind of experiences.
00:32:49.340 --> 00:33:00.069 Marvin Wilkerson: That's because we have… we have connected, in the subconscious mind, how we respond
00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:06.049 Marvin Wilkerson: To that situation, or situations as a way of protecting ourselves.
00:33:06.170 --> 00:33:12.459 Marvin Wilkerson: And so The, one of the things…
00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:20.219 Marvin Wilkerson: that I try to teach people is that there's only two truths that you lived with.
00:33:20.530 --> 00:33:26.070 Marvin Wilkerson: It is not the conscious mind. It is feelings and emotions.
00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:33.070 Marvin Wilkerson: And emotions, if it's a love and joy, that's wonderful!
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:39.080 Marvin Wilkerson: All the rest of emotions are… are yesterday's.
00:33:39.360 --> 00:33:39.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They call.
00:33:39.740 --> 00:33:45.700 Marvin Wilkerson: anxieties, because those are the things we live by as
00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:59.319 Marvin Wilkerson: the protection. And when we have an anxiety over something we're doing in the moment, well, the subconscious mind just goes back in its roller deck and says, okay, where did this get started, and how did we handle it?
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.449 Marvin Wilkerson: And so it reproduces it.
00:34:01.620 --> 00:34:08.400 Marvin Wilkerson: And when you reproduce something that you did at 7 years old, again at 40 years old, it gets pretty ugly.
00:34:08.409 --> 00:34:09.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:17.949 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, one of the things that I really work hard on is feelings are your only truth.
00:34:18.849 --> 00:34:33.199 Marvin Wilkerson: Follow the feelings. They trump all thinking. So, if the thinking mind comes up with something, I like lazoo. Stop thinking and end your problems.
00:34:36.510 --> 00:34:46.419 Marvin Wilkerson: So, when you… when you're thinking, you run it down to your gut. This is where the gut brain, sometimes we call it the third brain.
00:34:47.080 --> 00:34:49.430 Marvin Wilkerson: That's where all the nerve impulses meet.
00:34:49.560 --> 00:35:09.530 Marvin Wilkerson: send up through the vagus nerve, up to the back of the subconscious mind, and that's how you get responses to your experiences. And so, if it feels good, you live… you live like we lived in the 60s. If it feels good, do it.
00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:14.219 Marvin Wilkerson: So, feelings trump all thinking.
00:35:14.430 --> 00:35:16.160 Marvin Wilkerson: And,
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:25.999 Marvin Wilkerson: So, working with the two-mind concept is one of the most important things, to come to, mind, body, and soul.
00:35:26.390 --> 00:35:26.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:35:26.740 --> 00:35:32.930 Marvin Wilkerson: So, when you get into understanding that this life is about energy.
00:35:33.310 --> 00:35:41.820 Marvin Wilkerson: And when you evaluate life as an energy, Versus a thinking.
00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:42.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:35:42.730 --> 00:35:51.590 Marvin Wilkerson: Now you're… you're breaking down duality, because thinking is only thinking in terms of duality. Good, bad, black, white.
00:35:51.590 --> 00:35:54.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, because the mind likes to separate and divide things, right?
00:35:54.710 --> 00:35:55.460 Marvin Wilkerson: Right.
00:35:55.590 --> 00:36:00.139 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, I mean, this is how we ultimately learn in linear time.
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:18.450 Marvin Wilkerson: Is by breaking it down into, a transition of one moment to the next moment to the next moment, and then we compile several moments together to come to our understanding of what we're looking at, or hearing, or seeing, or feeling.
00:36:18.970 --> 00:36:26.700 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, I work real hard on trying to get people to understand life as energy.
00:36:27.490 --> 00:36:34.060 Marvin Wilkerson: how does it affect you? So, energy is a way that you can
00:36:34.080 --> 00:36:51.490 Marvin Wilkerson: Evaluate how does it make you feel? Am I in harmony with it? Is it draining me? Does it stimulate me? Does it calm me? Is it, is it awakening me? Is it distorting me? Those are things that energy teaches you.
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:52.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:59.950 Marvin Wilkerson: And when, you know, I used to… when I was in the insurance business, I used to teach all my salespeople.
00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:03.330 Marvin Wilkerson: You size people up in 5 seconds.
00:37:04.210 --> 00:37:22.639 Marvin Wilkerson: You know, in 5 seconds, you know their education, you know their economic status, you know who they are as… by the way they dress, you understand people in 5 seconds, and in 20 seconds, they're deciding if they're going to buy from you or not.
00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:23.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:23.580 --> 00:37:35.160 Marvin Wilkerson: You best be in your intuitive mind and intuitive self and awareness. So I teach feelings and intuition
00:37:35.310 --> 00:37:37.219 Marvin Wilkerson: It's how you live in the moment.
00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:51.010 Marvin Wilkerson: How you live in a moment of transition, one moment at a time. And so, that is, the basis for how… how I say…
00:37:51.350 --> 00:37:55.709 Marvin Wilkerson: This is the tools to use To live in life.
00:37:55.950 --> 00:37:56.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:56.890 --> 00:38:04.810 Marvin Wilkerson: How is it affecting you energetically? And what is your intuition telling you about who you're standing in front of?
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:06.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:18.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because you can feel… you don't know, but you can feel how the energy is affecting you. Either you're feeling uplifted, or you're feeling down. You're feeling expansive, or you're feeling contractive.
00:38:19.250 --> 00:38:25.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But going back to something we said before about letting go of old habits and patterns.
00:38:25.930 --> 00:38:41.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, let's just say someone in our audience, they were put down as a child, they were berated, and so because of that, they have a tendency to really, be down on themselves, be very self-critical.
00:38:42.270 --> 00:38:55.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how do you shift that habit? Because, as you said, it's something from years ago that's living in the unconscious. Okay, maybe now you're conscious of it, you recognize that you're doing it, but how do you shift that? How do you change it?
00:38:56.930 --> 00:39:01.200 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, you… we have a system called Parent-Child.
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.890 Marvin Wilkerson: You have to go back to the initial sensitizing event.
00:39:05.170 --> 00:39:05.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:14.259 Marvin Wilkerson: And then it has to be looked at with the both of you. Your mature, wiser self, and your child self.
00:39:14.430 --> 00:39:27.309 Marvin Wilkerson: Because what you experience as a child has affected you because you didn't understand it. I mean, you're totally wide open to accept anything and everything.
00:39:27.370 --> 00:39:36.960 Marvin Wilkerson: And if you're told, for an example, if you're told, oh, you're just like your father, well, you live with that until you decide you're your own man.
00:39:37.510 --> 00:39:44.729 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, you have to go back and experience the event And then…
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:55.839 Marvin Wilkerson: Help the, through that process, the wiser, mature self understands that that event doesn't hold the kind of energy
00:39:56.370 --> 00:40:00.560 Marvin Wilkerson: That it held when you experienced it at 5 and 6 years old.
00:40:01.790 --> 00:40:04.740 Marvin Wilkerson: And I'm dealing with a,
00:40:05.250 --> 00:40:11.410 Marvin Wilkerson: NRT, person now, that,
00:40:12.550 --> 00:40:28.279 Marvin Wilkerson: She just asked me the other day, she says, well, what do you do about… you can correct the event as the child, but what do you do about the events that happen later because of that event? I said, well, that's called the subsequent event.
00:40:28.330 --> 00:40:36.429 Marvin Wilkerson: So, when I get that child and that mature adult to go through that experience together.
00:40:37.630 --> 00:40:50.730 Marvin Wilkerson: when I get the buy-in by the child to accept the fact that that older, wiser self will always be with them, will always tell them the truth, will always love them.
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.290 Marvin Wilkerson: Then you go through… they go through that experience with their older, wiser self.
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:01.479 Marvin Wilkerson: Now, they come… when they come out of it.
00:41:01.740 --> 00:41:05.340 Marvin Wilkerson: They say, oh, yeah, that felt a lot easier and a lot better.
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:13.850 Marvin Wilkerson: And then you go back through the years that you've developed as you went down towards that initial event.
00:41:14.020 --> 00:41:18.889 Marvin Wilkerson: To where that… that repercussion happened again.
00:41:19.100 --> 00:41:23.130 Marvin Wilkerson: At later years, at different, various times in life.
00:41:23.450 --> 00:41:24.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:41:24.100 --> 00:41:34.910 Marvin Wilkerson: The latest one I did started at 2 years old. It happened again at, she had a memory at 5 years old, 13 years old, and 33 years old.
00:41:34.910 --> 00:41:35.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:41:35.850 --> 00:41:44.619 Marvin Wilkerson: And so we went through… back through those events again. And so, what that does scientifically is that disconnects
00:41:45.330 --> 00:41:52.070 Marvin Wilkerson: A transmitter in the brain from one connection to the protection Connection.
00:41:52.970 --> 00:41:55.429 Marvin Wilkerson: Into a new connection
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:03.369 Marvin Wilkerson: That then understands it from a completely different standpoint, and responds to it in a completely different way.
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:04.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:42:04.970 --> 00:42:09.410 Marvin Wilkerson: And that's all done through… Hypnosis and NLP.
00:42:09.750 --> 00:42:11.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, I see, I see.
00:42:15.120 --> 00:42:29.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, how do you use… so when you're dealing with this stuff, do you always use astrology and work astrology in, and quantum healing, or is it more like, you know, you just use what you need in the moment, or are you using all your tools when you work.
00:42:29.890 --> 00:42:32.080 Marvin Wilkerson: Hi, you… I use them all.
00:42:33.220 --> 00:42:37.230 Marvin Wilkerson: When you first come in to me, first thing I want to know from you is what's your birthday?
00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:49.370 Marvin Wilkerson: When you tell me your birthday, I'm gonna throw up a chart, and I'm gonna see your energy, and I'm gonna know you probably more than anybody in your entire life.
00:42:49.990 --> 00:42:51.859 Marvin Wilkerson: Because now I see your soul.
00:42:52.180 --> 00:42:52.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see you.
00:42:52.720 --> 00:43:02.950 Marvin Wilkerson: your soul wants, and I see what it's trying to accomplish. I see where you've used energy in the past in a misperception and miscreation.
00:43:03.100 --> 00:43:17.240 Marvin Wilkerson: And that's causing the conflict that you're probably going to be coming to me about. Or if you're not coming to me about that conflict, there's other conflicts that are going to go into the gestalt, or the whole mass.
00:43:17.740 --> 00:43:18.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:43:18.260 --> 00:43:25.750 Marvin Wilkerson: So, that's, that's gotta be understood, that you're a… you're a total…
00:43:26.120 --> 00:43:33.469 Marvin Wilkerson: map of energy, not just a sun sign or a moon sign. Right. You're all of them.
00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:41.830 Marvin Wilkerson: Right. And all those energies need to work together to accomplish the mission of your soul. And your soul…
00:43:42.100 --> 00:43:49.429 Marvin Wilkerson: Is where we… that's where we're going to go into your mind, body, and soul.
00:43:49.760 --> 00:44:05.640 Marvin Wilkerson: Because the soul now can be… can, speak to you in that quantum field. And in the quantum field, that's where you… you can… you can, your… your soul will tell you.
00:44:06.240 --> 00:44:07.410 Marvin Wilkerson: Not me.
00:44:07.640 --> 00:44:13.619 Marvin Wilkerson: I'm not gonna tell you. I'm just gonna guide you into that place. And when you get into that place.
00:44:14.170 --> 00:44:22.640 Marvin Wilkerson: What hypnosis does is it bypasses your critical, analytical, evaluating conscious mind.
00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:25.969 Marvin Wilkerson: In other words, you get it out of the way.
00:44:26.310 --> 00:44:26.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:31.289 Marvin Wilkerson: If I get your conscious mind, thinking mind, out of the way.
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:37.980 Marvin Wilkerson: Then your subconscious mind is at liberty to suggest to you a better and alternative way.
00:44:38.490 --> 00:44:42.620 Marvin Wilkerson: to respond To events and conflicts.
00:44:43.270 --> 00:44:48.409 Marvin Wilkerson: And, of course, you can go even higher into the quantum field.
00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:57.899 Marvin Wilkerson: And the high… you see, a lot of people don't understand, you are never disconnected from the quantum universe or the universal consciousness. Ever.
00:44:58.460 --> 00:44:59.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:44:59.100 --> 00:45:02.199 Marvin Wilkerson: all in you. You are not disconnected.
00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:11.000 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, the higher you can, achieve, now, not just losing your sense of.
00:45:11.140 --> 00:45:18.360 Marvin Wilkerson: Critical analysis by the conscious mind, but how about when you use the evaluation of your identity
00:45:18.710 --> 00:45:21.649 Marvin Wilkerson: Who you think yourself to be.
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:27.419 Marvin Wilkerson: And when you lose your sense of who you think yourself to be.
00:45:27.910 --> 00:45:32.539 Marvin Wilkerson: Now you're in the quantum field, and you're in universal consciousness.
00:45:32.700 --> 00:45:35.350 Marvin Wilkerson: Which, it all is there.
00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:36.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:45:36.990 --> 00:45:46.170 Marvin Wilkerson: All is there. There is no duality. There is no conflict. There are no negatives.
00:45:46.450 --> 00:45:47.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:45:47.170 --> 00:46:01.850 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, that's, that's where you can transition, and that's what I do with Soul Fusion Healing, is I help you heal your body and your mind through getting into that soul fusion.
00:46:01.910 --> 00:46:15.620 Marvin Wilkerson: Of dominating your ego and leading yourself, leading the body and the mind now from the soul perspective, instead of a critical analytical
00:46:15.750 --> 00:46:28.620 Marvin Wilkerson: You know, moment… your… instead of your, what's the word I'm looking for? Instead of your…
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:34.999 Marvin Wilkerson: linear perspective of thinking things out, happening, and duality.
00:46:35.220 --> 00:46:38.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right, right, and when you…
00:46:38.990 --> 00:46:43.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: deal on sort of the quantum or the soul level,
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:57.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Keeling is not linear. It's… it's… No. It can be… it can happen all at once, it can happen over time, it's very organic, it can actually transform what we're in the middle of experiencing.
00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:07.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious these days, there's so much change going on in the world. A lot of people are having a hard time, because it's just…
00:47:07.250 --> 00:47:19.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we're not designed. We've never lived in a time when there's been as much change, polarization, uncertainty, I think, than we have currently.
00:47:19.690 --> 00:47:24.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you help people to deal with just the world the way it is?
00:47:25.990 --> 00:47:27.780 Marvin Wilkerson: Because there's two realities.
00:47:28.570 --> 00:47:31.430 Marvin Wilkerson: The first reality is you.
00:47:32.130 --> 00:47:32.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:47:32.670 --> 00:47:36.030 Marvin Wilkerson: You're a sovereign, universal being.
00:47:36.310 --> 00:47:37.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:47:37.110 --> 00:47:40.540 Marvin Wilkerson: When… when we have the obnoxiousness.
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:46.050 Marvin Wilkerson: Of the, the external world.
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.440 Marvin Wilkerson: that's going on. When you… when you get into that realm.
00:47:53.810 --> 00:48:08.239 Marvin Wilkerson: well then, that's the realm of duality causing all kinds of problems. So, I think… I think that, my… my philosophy is… is if you… this… this times we're in right now.
00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:10.720 Marvin Wilkerson: are driving us.
00:48:10.990 --> 00:48:13.530 Marvin Wilkerson: Into… into ourselves.
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:20.790 Marvin Wilkerson: As sovereign beings, taking responsibility for every single thing that happens in our life.
00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:22.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm…
00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:27.410 Marvin Wilkerson: Then we grow as individuals, we become universal.
00:48:27.650 --> 00:48:33.600 Marvin Wilkerson: Children… And souls that now just stay in
00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:40.369 Marvin Wilkerson: Stay in the, magic of being in universal consciousness.
00:48:40.370 --> 00:48:40.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and…
00:48:40.950 --> 00:48:47.600 Marvin Wilkerson: being aware, self-aware. So I think that this is, as we are moving into a time
00:48:48.160 --> 00:48:55.969 Marvin Wilkerson: that I've said it in the book, and I'll say it here, we are going to find that we are not alone in this universe.
00:48:56.160 --> 00:49:11.249 Marvin Wilkerson: And once we find that out, that's going to shake up a tremendous amount of belief systems and starts helping people understand the power of who you are as a co-creator
00:49:11.410 --> 00:49:13.089 Marvin Wilkerson: In this universe.
00:49:13.930 --> 00:49:32.979 Marvin Wilkerson: And once you can, once we, reach the, well, you know, what we studied in the 60s and 70s, once you reach the 100th monkey, then a lot of… a lot of people will join us looking at spirituality and metaphysics.
00:49:33.130 --> 00:49:36.649 Marvin Wilkerson: Then looking at belief systems.
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:44.690 Marvin Wilkerson: And I go back to Einstein again, and he said, the more I… the more I study physics, the more I understand metaphysics.
00:49:44.690 --> 00:49:46.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:49:47.150 --> 00:50:02.439 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, I think that's how we've got to break it down. This is a perfect time for people to come in to understanding their spiritual selves instead of aligning with the feedback of what's going on in the greater world.
00:50:02.620 --> 00:50:04.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:50:05.580 --> 00:50:14.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you have, like, any daily practices or exercises that you give your clients, you know, after they leave you to help them with
00:50:14.270 --> 00:50:19.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, connecting more with their inner selves than the outer world.
00:50:20.950 --> 00:50:27.809 Marvin Wilkerson: I would say, Sam, that the biggest thing that I need to… that I work with people on is self-talk.
00:50:28.070 --> 00:50:28.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:50:29.250 --> 00:50:33.180 Marvin Wilkerson: People… people themselves.
00:50:33.460 --> 00:50:37.130 Marvin Wilkerson: Are more abusive than other people.
00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:43.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, I know. They say if we talk to our best friend the way we talk to ourselves, they would not stay our friend very long.
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:56.690 Marvin Wilkerson: No, exactly. And I've just been studying a little bit, of a man called, Dr. Gabrmate, which is a Canadian…
00:50:56.690 --> 00:50:57.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Say, yes, yes.
00:50:57.810 --> 00:50:59.860 Marvin Wilkerson: Yeah, and
00:51:00.070 --> 00:51:11.609 Marvin Wilkerson: When you understand that relationship between the mind and the body, that the mind is linear, but the body is holographic.
00:51:12.050 --> 00:51:28.279 Marvin Wilkerson: So, while you think you may be experiencing something that you've… that's being created in this lifetime, the truth of the matter is, is you are experiencing perceptive perspectives of other lifetimes.
00:51:28.490 --> 00:51:43.589 Marvin Wilkerson: Including in your DNA, your epigenetics, and all the problems that's been brought to you from your emotional heritage and your ancestors. And so I tell people, look, if you're living in the now.
00:51:43.770 --> 00:51:46.589 Marvin Wilkerson: If you're living in the transition moment.
00:51:47.080 --> 00:52:01.520 Marvin Wilkerson: This is the opportunity for you to heal you, your ancestors, backwards and forwards, and so it behooves you to understand that there is only one moment in time
00:52:01.640 --> 00:52:03.789 Marvin Wilkerson: And that is right now.
00:52:04.180 --> 00:52:04.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:52:04.730 --> 00:52:08.469 Marvin Wilkerson: And so, when you try to be in the now.
00:52:09.190 --> 00:52:10.870 Marvin Wilkerson: Stay in that transition.
00:52:11.020 --> 00:52:12.400 Marvin Wilkerson: That was beautiful.
00:52:12.970 --> 00:52:16.420 Marvin Wilkerson: Stay in that transition. Live in that transition.
00:52:16.570 --> 00:52:21.359 Marvin Wilkerson: And I have to caveat to people, it's practice. You don't just…
00:52:21.510 --> 00:52:34.090 Marvin Wilkerson: You don't just come into the knowledge of it, it's practice. So I give people, 50… a page of 50 quotes that I make them write.
00:52:34.540 --> 00:52:46.719 Marvin Wilkerson: 10 of them, 3 times each, of all positive statements, and I say, now you do this as long as you're working with me, and you will change your life.
00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:49.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, okay.
00:52:49.610 --> 00:52:59.229 Marvin Wilkerson: Because the self-talk is, I mean, it's just critical. It's what you say to yourself that manifests. The body's gonna manifest it.
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:06.610 Marvin Wilkerson: And it's just like, you know, he talked about, you know, cancer.
00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:14.249 Marvin Wilkerson: Suppressed anger, compulsive caretaking, disconnecting from your own needs and inability to say no.
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:17.319 Marvin Wilkerson: That is constant.
00:53:17.810 --> 00:53:28.820 Marvin Wilkerson: with people that come to me with conflict. It's constant with people that go to get to the medical, and to the doctor, and to psychologists. That's the issue.
00:53:29.220 --> 00:53:32.560 Marvin Wilkerson: And so… I think it's self-talk.
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:38.939 Marvin Wilkerson: And, it's understanding, that everything is energy and feelings.
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:40.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:53:40.680 --> 00:53:43.000 Marvin Wilkerson: And that's the bottom line to,
00:53:43.900 --> 00:53:48.449 Marvin Wilkerson: And, you know, and of course, you know, that takes a little work, and it takes a lot of practice.
00:53:48.450 --> 00:53:51.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
00:53:51.820 --> 00:54:04.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, Marvin, I really appreciate your plain spokenness. You know, it's very easy when we study these topics to get very esoteric in our language.
00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:18.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I always like to keep things very grounded, very practical, and very understandable, and I feel you're in a similar vein. You like to be plain spoken, so I truly appreciate that.
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:24.189 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, Einstein said, if you can't explain it to a 6-year-old, you don't understand it.
00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:27.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, exactly. Exactly.
00:54:27.790 --> 00:54:30.859 Marvin Wilkerson: Trying to be a little mindful of that.
00:54:30.860 --> 00:54:40.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, very good, very good. So listen, if our audience wants to learn more about you, get in touch with you, where do they find you online? How do they reach out to you?
00:54:40.950 --> 00:54:52.139 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, they can always get my book, Soul Fusion Healing, on Amazon. They can reach me at BLHypnosis.com, that's BetterLifeHypnosis.com.
00:54:52.580 --> 00:55:00.890 Marvin Wilkerson: They can reach me at AstroMarv.com, and they can put Marvin in front of them, and reach me by email.
00:55:00.890 --> 00:55:02.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There we go.
00:55:03.130 --> 00:55:11.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, Marvin, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule to come on. It's been a pleasure having you.
00:55:11.590 --> 00:55:16.469 Marvin Wilkerson: Well, Sam, thank you. Thank you for all you do, and all the work you do.
00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:18.489 Marvin Wilkerson: I appreciate that.
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:24.499 Marvin Wilkerson: So, it was a joy to be able to share what I have and what you have to share.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:26.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you so much, thank you.
00:55:26.950 --> 00:55:50.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on TalkRadio.nyc and on your favorite podcasting platform, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Amazon, wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find The Conscious Consultant Hour.
00:55:51.170 --> 00:55:56.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in. Take care, we will talk to you all next week.
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