EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Dr. Gina Goldfeder, psychotherapist, author, and teacher, whose nearly thirty years of clinical work bridge the worlds of depth psychology and shamanic healing.
Her practice draws on Jungian orientation, dream interpretation, psychodrama, sacred geometry, ThetaHealing, and Progoff's Intensive Journal method, integrated with the wisdom of teachers including Joe Dispenza, Brené Brown, Byron Katie, and Geneen Roth.
Her new book, Releasing the Emotional Wound: Shamanic and Psychological Tools to Transcend Trauma and Rebuild Your Life, brings this integration to the page.
At the heart of Gina's work is a reframing that changes everything. Emotional wounds are more than scars from the past. Left unattended, they leave unconscious imprints on the soul and quietly become the excuses we use for why we cannot live a fulfilling life. Over time, we can begin to identify with the wound itself, mistaking it for who we are.
Yet these same wounds, met with awareness and honored properly, can become catalysts for a new personal identity. In her book, Gina shares the mantras, emotional ceremonies, rituals, amulets, and journaling practices she has refined across three decades of clinical practice, offering readers concrete tools for turning the very places we were most broken into the ground where a new self can grow.
Together, Sam and Gina explore what it takes to release an old identity built on pain and step into one grounded in wholeness. They discuss the meaning and origins of primal emotional wounds, the shamanic and psychological practices that support real transformation, and the ongoing work of encounters with yourself, the body-soul connection, and forgiveness as a gift you offer yourself.
This episode is an invitation to consider that the wound you have carried may not be the story of who you are, but the doorway into who you are becoming.
Tune in and share your own questions about emotional healing on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
This episode features Dr. Gina Goldfeder, a psychotherapist and shamanic healer whose new book, Releasing the Emotional Wound, blends depth psychology with rituals, mantras, and creative practices to help people transform old traumas into catalysts for growth rather than identities that define them. Sam opens with a reflection on how true healing work depends on making others feel truly heard and safe, sharing a personal story of learning this lesson from his wife, before Gina describes her own path into the healing arts and the three-step process she uses with clients: nonjudgmental listening and trust-building, reconnecting them to what they love beyond their pain, and finally helping them build a life and goals around that renewed sense of self. Throughout, Gina emphasizes that creativity and symbolic practice reach the soul in ways the analytical mind cannot, and that the deep, universal language of the heart — safety, connection, and being truly seen — transcends culture and is the real foundation for lasting emotional release.
In this closing segment, Dr. Gina Goldfeder offers accessible self-help tools for anyone processing emotional pain without a therapist, centering on becoming an observer of your own thoughts and feelings and asking "what does this situation say about me?" rather than projecting blame outward — illustrated by her own story of turning a moment of unexpected tears into a ritual of sending herself flowers and notes. She and Sam also explore how shamanic practice isn't separate from psychology but woven into everyday human ritual — from a box of memories marking a daughter leaving for college to simply sitting in silence with a client — and how creative expression (song, drawing, walking, stillness) reaches what words and rational explanation cannot. Gina closes by emphasizing that true healing requires connecting with the heart rather than the mind alone, citing HeartMath Institute research on the heart's intelligence, and encourages weekly self-dates and journaling about passions and fears as steady practices for staying grounded amid a faster, more overwhelming world.
00:00:42.690 --> 00:01:06.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my Conscious co-creators! Good morning, good evening, wherever you're tuning in from. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another wonderful show in store for you, with a fascinating guest.
00:01:06.300 --> 00:01:14.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we'll bring her on in just a moment. But first, of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago.
00:01:14.520 --> 00:01:23.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this one is entitled… In order to feel safe, We have to feel heard.
00:01:24.800 --> 00:01:30.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: On our healing path, there is one thing we often ignore.
00:01:30.650 --> 00:01:35.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we help others, We can get lost in our process.
00:01:36.570 --> 00:01:40.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sticking to our steps and our way of helping.
00:01:40.970 --> 00:01:46.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It can be easy to forget one of the most important elements.
00:01:47.290 --> 00:01:50.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we are looking to help others.
00:01:50.600 --> 00:01:54.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to focus on what they truly need.
00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:03.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And more than some process or procedure, they need something fundamental from us.
00:02:04.190 --> 00:02:10.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is so fundamental that it is also easy to forget and brush over.
00:02:13.220 --> 00:02:18.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For in order to truly help others, they must feel safe with us.
00:02:19.690 --> 00:02:26.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet in order to feel safe with us, we have to exhibit one important trait.
00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:32.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When someone is going through a hard time, they need to know that we will take care of them.
00:02:33.140 --> 00:02:35.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They need to know that we care.
00:02:36.710 --> 00:02:40.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So how do we… Show that we do?
00:02:41.670 --> 00:02:44.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Through one important experience.
00:02:45.650 --> 00:02:49.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We have to help them feel heard.
00:02:50.480 --> 00:02:57.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To feel that when they have a concern or a challenge, that we can truly hear them.
00:02:58.880 --> 00:03:02.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we have their best interests at heart.
00:03:02.810 --> 00:03:07.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that we are there for them when they really need us.
00:03:07.890 --> 00:03:10.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is no small feat.
00:03:10.620 --> 00:03:16.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To be there in a way that makes them feel truly supported.
00:03:16.410 --> 00:03:20.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Not in the way we THINK they should be supported.
00:03:20.810 --> 00:03:25.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But in the way they need to feel that they are being supported.
00:03:26.820 --> 00:03:29.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It makes all the difference in the world.
00:03:30.250 --> 00:03:34.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is true no matter what way we work with people.
00:03:35.230 --> 00:03:40.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whether it is in business or a more humanitarian cause.
00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:46.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And if we are in the healing arts, it is paramount.
00:03:46.920 --> 00:03:54.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For we can only take people as deep in their process as they feel safe with us.
00:03:55.710 --> 00:03:59.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The surest way to help someone feel safe
00:04:00.230 --> 00:04:03.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is making sure they feel heard.
00:04:03.950 --> 00:04:13.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just listening to them in a way that they know we are hearing them is worth everything to them.
00:04:14.410 --> 00:04:17.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is just that simple.
00:04:18.620 --> 00:04:26.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, who in your life can you support by learning to listen to them in a more profound way?
00:04:27.850 --> 00:04:29.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So…
00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:35.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I wrote this blog post a couple of years ago, and it was after a conversation with my wife.
00:04:35.570 --> 00:04:42.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, and we… Had held a ceremony, and we were working with some clients, And…
00:04:43.540 --> 00:04:50.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, we have sort of a certain ritual, a certain way we go about doing things.
00:04:51.260 --> 00:05:01.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And she pointed out how, there was someone there who, who, like, had a concern, and I didn't really…
00:05:02.770 --> 00:05:19.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pay attention to the concern. I didn't really hear them. She picked it up, she heard them and gave them the support they needed, but I… I kind of missed it, because I was too much into, well, this is the way we do things, and we have to do this, and then we do that, and there's a certain timing to things.
00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:28.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… And I realized that it really… it made such a huge difference to the person.
00:05:30.050 --> 00:05:32.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To actually be able to hear their needs.
00:05:33.400 --> 00:05:46.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to know that they needed to feel safe, they needed to feel supported, they needed to know certain things because of their anxiety and their concerns.
00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:52.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, it really kind of… like…
00:05:52.840 --> 00:05:55.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It shook me a little bit, and it got me to open up.
00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to realize that when you're working with people.
00:06:00.390 --> 00:06:02.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When you're trying to help people.
00:06:03.420 --> 00:06:10.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, following some step-by-step formula, following, like, it's always gotta be this way, then that way. It…
00:06:10.810 --> 00:06:15.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It doesn't really serve the person. It doesn't really serve the individual.
00:06:17.710 --> 00:06:24.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so… That's when, sort of, this blog post came, realizing that
00:06:25.750 --> 00:06:35.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For someone to feel truly safe with us, for someone to feel like we truly have their best interests in mind.
00:06:36.470 --> 00:06:38.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They need to feel…
00:06:38.870 --> 00:06:49.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we're listening to them, that we're hearing them, that we're maybe even picking up those little clues that are in between the words that they're saying.
00:06:51.360 --> 00:07:00.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that if someone says something like, I need a moment, I need a little more time, please don't rush me, we really gotta listen to that.
00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:07.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The body, and we'll get into this in our conversation with my guest today, but the body
00:07:07.470 --> 00:07:15.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: only works at a certain speed. Like, the mind may know things really quickly, but the body takes time to catch up to that.
00:07:16.590 --> 00:07:25.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so… When we're working with people, hearing them, and listening to them, and not rushing them
00:07:26.610 --> 00:07:31.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because we have a certain agenda is so, so important.
00:07:32.490 --> 00:07:37.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's important to help them Feel cared for.
00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:51.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And ultimately, somebody cannot truly… Go deep into their process, their pain, their worries, their concerns, their anguish.
00:07:52.260 --> 00:07:55.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If they're not feeling from us.
00:07:55.410 --> 00:08:03.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we're truly holding them. That we're there to really support them and help them.
00:08:05.050 --> 00:08:11.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, that's where this… this, blog post was born from.
00:08:11.940 --> 00:08:21.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And again, the title of this blog is, In Order to Feel Safe, We have to feel heard.
00:08:21.510 --> 00:08:38.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, maybe between now and next week, on our next show, you can practice listening to people and helping them to feel more heard. And of course, you can always find my blog post on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:48.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, of course, all over, on the station's website, TalkRadio.nyc slash blog.
00:08:48.640 --> 00:08:59.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right, now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Dr. Gina Goldfeder, psychotherapist, author, and teacher
00:08:59.950 --> 00:09:09.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whose nearly 30 years of clinical work bridge the worlds of depth, psychology, and shamanic healing.
00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:21.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Her practice draws on Jungian orientation, dream interpretation, psychodrama, sacred geometry, theta healing, and Pogrof's intensive German…
00:09:21.170 --> 00:09:32.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: intensive journal method, integrated with the wisdom of teachers, including Joe Dispenza, Brene Brown, Katie Byron, and Janine Roth.
00:09:32.650 --> 00:09:44.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Her new book, Releasing the Emotional Wound, Shamanic and Psychological Cool Tools to Transcend Trauma and Rebuild Your Life, brings this integration to paper.
00:09:44.160 --> 00:09:48.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: At the heart of Gina's work is a reframing that changes everything.
00:09:48.840 --> 00:10:04.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Emotional wounds are more than scars from the past. Left unattended, they leave unconscious imprints on the soul and quietly become the excuses we use for why we cannot live a fulfilling life.
00:10:04.910 --> 00:10:12.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Over time, we can begin to identify with the wound itself, mistaking it for who we truly are.
00:10:13.420 --> 00:10:21.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet these same wounds met with awareness and honored properly can become catalysts for a new personal identity.
00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:41.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In her book, Gina shares the mantras, emotional ceremonies, rituals, amulets, and journaling practices she has refined across three decades of clinical practice, offering readers concrete tools for turning the very places we were most broken into the ground where a new self can grow.
00:10:41.300 --> 00:10:44.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Gina.
00:10:44.550 --> 00:10:47.910 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Thank you very much, Sam. I'm really happy to be here with you and your…
00:10:47.910 --> 00:10:59.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's a pleasure to have you, it's a pleasure to have you. I really, when I, you know, came across your book, I was really,
00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:09.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: intrigued by it, and it's why I invited you to come on the show. Because of just my own personal experience.
00:11:09.850 --> 00:11:17.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: experience of people that I work with, I've learned that you know, learning…
00:11:18.290 --> 00:11:26.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How to deal with our emotional wounding, especially that wounding from a very young age, is something that
00:11:27.340 --> 00:11:35.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Takes a lot more finesse, and sometimes takes some school… skills and some tools that we don't often think of.
00:11:35.690 --> 00:11:47.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, I wanted to come on to talk about this. But I'm wondering if maybe before we really dig into it, if you can maybe give our audience just a little bit of background of, like.
00:11:47.050 --> 00:11:57.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what called you into the healing arts? You know, why did you decide to become a psychotherapist? And sort of, just briefly, what that path was like for you?
00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:03.360 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I think that since I was really, really young.
00:12:03.530 --> 00:12:05.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you speak up a little bit? It's a little hard to hear you.
00:12:06.570 --> 00:12:07.800 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Do you hear me now?
00:12:08.390 --> 00:12:10.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A little bit louder, you're still a little soft.
00:12:11.650 --> 00:12:12.530 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Okay.
00:12:13.650 --> 00:12:15.080 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Let's see.
00:12:17.890 --> 00:12:19.130 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Do you hear me now?
00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:23.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I hear you. Just, just try and speak up a little bit.
00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:25.549 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Okay, I will speak loud.
00:12:25.550 --> 00:12:26.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, good, good, alright, gotcha.
00:12:26.880 --> 00:12:37.140 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So… Since I was young, I really, really… Was aware about… the suffering.
00:12:37.590 --> 00:12:38.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:42.049 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: My own suffering, and the other child's suffering.
00:12:43.090 --> 00:12:45.730 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: why, but I was really aware of that.
00:12:46.630 --> 00:12:51.370 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It felt really… Sad when someone was sad?
00:12:52.620 --> 00:13:01.689 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I was really brave to make a battle against some injustice, or something like that.
00:13:02.540 --> 00:13:07.230 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Someone was making bullying or something to another kid.
00:13:07.870 --> 00:13:08.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:14.359 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: it was… Around that, since I remember, since I was… A little kid.
00:13:15.050 --> 00:13:20.500 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, yes, I think that, that was the first step for that.
00:13:20.700 --> 00:13:22.809 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Huge journey till now.
00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:13:24.610 --> 00:13:36.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, besides the sort of traditional sort of therapeutic track that you took, you also, you know, dove deep into other things, the…
00:13:36.450 --> 00:13:46.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: energy healing, sacred drama, shamanic healing. What kind of brought you to some of the more, like, alternative forms of healing?
00:13:47.740 --> 00:13:52.449 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I never stay in the same place, ever.
00:13:52.450 --> 00:13:53.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Haha.
00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.220 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I love to learn to… I always love to learn new things.
00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.520 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I think that this world is… very huge.
00:14:03.670 --> 00:14:06.050 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Just to stay in some point of view.
00:14:06.500 --> 00:14:17.330 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So I really, really learn a lot of psychologic… psychological stuff. I have two masters and one PhD, and all of that.
00:14:17.670 --> 00:14:27.419 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: But also, in my own personal journey, I love to meditate, I love… The spiritual journey, also.
00:14:27.730 --> 00:14:30.480 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I think that it's kind of both.
00:14:30.970 --> 00:14:36.110 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: If we can really, really appreciate the… this… our…
00:14:36.520 --> 00:14:39.700 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Soul, the power of our soul and heart.
00:14:39.910 --> 00:14:42.009 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And not just the mind. We need.
00:14:42.470 --> 00:14:45.090 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Go through that in some point of our life.
00:14:45.430 --> 00:14:46.669 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So that's why.
00:14:47.090 --> 00:14:49.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, gotcha, gotcha.
00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:57.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, your new book, Releasing the Emotional Wound, what, was the…
00:14:58.290 --> 00:15:03.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The motivation for, writing this book and putting it out.
00:15:04.490 --> 00:15:13.610 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: My mother died in… 12, around 13 years ago.
00:15:15.010 --> 00:15:24.129 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And… it was so hard for me, so I started to write. Actually, I wrote… 300 pages around that.
00:15:24.790 --> 00:15:26.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whoa.
00:15:26.450 --> 00:15:32.690 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then, after the time has passed, like, Javier?
00:15:32.870 --> 00:15:34.099 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Do you hear me well?
00:15:34.290 --> 00:15:34.950 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Alright.
00:15:34.950 --> 00:15:36.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
00:15:36.560 --> 00:15:47.719 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I wanted to make a… to make that, around that a book, and then I went to a workshop, and I said to the teacher, no, I have a novel.
00:15:48.340 --> 00:15:52.579 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because, we know in these days that the fiction
00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:59.409 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: it's better to handle that, the reality, right? So that's why we take the fiction to write about it.
00:15:59.790 --> 00:16:08.850 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because the reality is harder than the fiction. So, she said to me, you're not ready. This is not a novel to write.
00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:11.369 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You need to really improve that.
00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:15.750 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, that novel's still there,
00:16:15.930 --> 00:16:18.519 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I haven't published yet that one.
00:16:19.310 --> 00:16:24.460 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Then, I was there in that workshop for a long time.
00:16:24.810 --> 00:16:26.280 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And…
00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:35.190 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: One day, one of… one publisher said to me, a Mexican one, do you want to write something around psychology?
00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:52.460 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: weeks before I was thinking about that, that I was now really prepared around my story life and my practice, my professional practice. I was ready to write something, and I said, yes.
00:16:53.090 --> 00:16:57.469 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they said to me, send us 20 pages around that.
00:16:58.250 --> 00:17:04.099 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I said to them that I already had that book, In the stands, of course!
00:17:04.520 --> 00:17:09.099 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then I sent it to them, and they said, we want that book.
00:17:09.980 --> 00:17:13.719 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So I wrote it… In a month, I think?
00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:14.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:17:15.010 --> 00:17:16.720 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: When you know what you know.
00:17:16.940 --> 00:17:22.310 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: it's easy, everything, I think, almost everything. Writing about it.
00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:23.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:29.570 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Talking about it… Feeling, and all of that, so that was the start of that one.
00:17:29.820 --> 00:17:33.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, gotcha, gotcha. And, and so…
00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:50.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe you can share what tools you personally use in helping you to metabolize that grief that you had over losing your mother, and sort of, you know, maybe touch upon the tool, and where did that tool come from?
00:17:51.860 --> 00:17:59.380 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I think that one of the most important tools that we could have is a creativity.
00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.029 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because the language of the soul is not in the mind.
00:18:04.510 --> 00:18:05.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:18:05.570 --> 00:18:06.180 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Ever.
00:18:06.350 --> 00:18:09.910 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We could say a lot of things, around…
00:18:10.020 --> 00:18:14.549 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: What we think, what are our thoughts about our feelings.
00:18:14.860 --> 00:18:20.000 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: But when you make some creativity and imagination and put
00:18:20.190 --> 00:18:26.260 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: symbolism in material things. That's why the mantras, or the ceremonies, or…
00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:28.849 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: All that kind of tools that I…
00:18:29.080 --> 00:18:33.200 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Take to really make a profound work.
00:18:33.410 --> 00:18:40.710 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They work, because… They, they make, like, another trail?
00:18:41.990 --> 00:18:44.859 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And… escape from the mind, that kind of…
00:18:44.860 --> 00:18:45.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:18:46.810 --> 00:18:51.050 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I… a lot of the time, I'm in the mind.
00:18:51.560 --> 00:18:53.840 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The effort not to be there.
00:18:54.260 --> 00:19:00.530 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because I have a lot of explanations for my own pain and for the other's pain.
00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:01.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Aye.
00:19:01.600 --> 00:19:13.700 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, in my private practice, around… I've been working around that 30 years, I realized that there is a moment, there is a moment that the patient cannot
00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:20.369 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Go through something, because the mind doesn't let.
00:19:21.570 --> 00:19:24.040 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: a lot of explanation, so we need to make…
00:19:24.570 --> 00:19:27.960 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Another way to really connect the emotions.
00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:35.419 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, as you said at the beginning, for me, the most important things, always, always, is the connection.
00:19:35.710 --> 00:19:38.750 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It's the relation with the client.
00:19:38.750 --> 00:19:39.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Amazing.
00:19:39.430 --> 00:19:42.650 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: No matter what they bring, what the…
00:19:42.840 --> 00:19:46.910 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Problem they were… they bring to the… to my office.
00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:51.000 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I really care about building the connection.
00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:52.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, guys.
00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:53.969 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: With them, first of all.
00:19:54.460 --> 00:19:55.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah.
00:19:55.220 --> 00:19:58.049 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: When they trust, they can do anything.
00:19:59.930 --> 00:20:06.329 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They can do mantras, they can do ceremonies, anything, because they have this trust.
00:20:06.970 --> 00:20:08.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:20:08.870 --> 00:20:24.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, when somebody comes to you, and they have some, you know, deep emotional wound, let's say they're, you know, maybe a parent was a narcissist, or they were abused or something as a child.
00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:29.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What kinds of tools would you use to work with them? What…
00:20:30.890 --> 00:20:34.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How would you, sort of, once you've built the trust.
00:20:34.350 --> 00:20:39.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Kinda, how would you guide them to help them to process what they've experienced?
00:20:40.730 --> 00:20:51.879 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I think that there are, like, 3 huge steps around that. The first… the first one is just listening. Listening, listening, and listening, and not judging.
00:20:52.230 --> 00:20:56.840 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Whatever they need to say, and I said to them, I really won't judge you.
00:20:57.700 --> 00:20:58.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:20:58.210 --> 00:21:06.650 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they don't believe that at the beginning, because, you know, we… when we are hurt, and we have this kind of pain.
00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.969 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The first thing that we feel is that we are going to be judged.
00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:12.500 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: by someone else.
00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:21.909 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, I make the time for that, like, telling them that I won't judge them and I will stay, no matter what.
00:21:22.890 --> 00:21:24.020 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I really do that.
00:21:24.540 --> 00:21:25.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Stay.
00:21:25.590 --> 00:21:33.769 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I… I get some… I'm quiet around all the story that they are sharing to me.
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:39.369 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And when they pass this, first step…
00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:46.640 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That they really feel that they are not judged, being judged by me, or that they feel comfortable.
00:21:46.750 --> 00:21:48.740 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: to say everything?
00:21:49.830 --> 00:21:57.489 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And it could take 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, I don't know, it depends on the person.
00:21:57.490 --> 00:21:58.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:21:58.470 --> 00:22:02.940 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: After that, I start to ask them.
00:22:03.930 --> 00:22:08.119 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Why they really… what are the things that they really love?
00:22:08.900 --> 00:22:09.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:22:09.370 --> 00:22:15.410 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because I make that step, like, to really have a different narrative around
00:22:15.650 --> 00:22:18.699 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Not being identified with your trauma.
00:22:18.950 --> 00:22:19.550 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because we.
00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:27.779 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Our personality and our, destiny and all of that is around the trauma, or around the pain.
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.990 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And we are more than that.
00:22:31.070 --> 00:22:34.129 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: be the second step. The second step is
00:22:34.420 --> 00:22:37.999 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: What do you really love in life, in your life?
00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:40.109 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Without having this trauma.
00:22:43.100 --> 00:22:47.580 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And in that second step, I give all that kind of tools.
00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:54.630 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To write about it, to imagine a life without the trauma or without that pain.
00:22:55.180 --> 00:23:00.380 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: All these kind of narratives and creative tools.
00:23:01.350 --> 00:23:08.399 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And the third part is to really enjoy your life, like, what makes you be happy in life.
00:23:08.550 --> 00:23:11.510 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To really make some goals.
00:23:12.280 --> 00:23:21.369 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That you forgot that you had, because you were… you were dealing with this kind of pain or trauma, and to really work on them.
00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:30.119 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I had… last week, a patient wrote me, and she said, finally, I did it. I don't see her anymore, and she said…
00:23:30.910 --> 00:23:31.810 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I did it.
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.210 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, I love it. So, more or less is that.
00:23:36.750 --> 00:23:38.180 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That's the journey.
00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:42.139 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Not all of them stay to all that journey.
00:23:43.190 --> 00:23:45.779 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Almost all of them, believe me.
00:23:47.150 --> 00:23:48.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:23:48.830 --> 00:23:50.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And…
00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:59.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is there something you think is key to kind of hit that turning point for someone where they can…
00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:13.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: instead of focusing on their pain so much, to then focus on what they want out of life, focus on creating something new, is there some key to being able to make that switch?
00:24:15.770 --> 00:24:21.799 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We need to stay with a client, with a patient, The time that they need.
00:24:23.310 --> 00:24:26.600 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To make another narrative for themselves.
00:24:27.650 --> 00:24:29.009 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To stay as long.
00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:29.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's…
00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:30.200 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: steaks.
00:24:30.860 --> 00:24:37.149 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So they can release that from them, from their souls, from their minds.
00:24:37.460 --> 00:24:38.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:24:39.120 --> 00:24:40.669 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they will prove you.
00:24:41.300 --> 00:24:45.499 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We will prove people if they will stay with us, you said at the beginning.
00:24:46.310 --> 00:24:49.450 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Here, they need to be seen, really seen, really hearing.
00:24:50.820 --> 00:24:52.640 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They will make tricks.
00:24:53.050 --> 00:24:54.220 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To you, as a.
00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:54.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:24:54.860 --> 00:24:56.090 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It's a therapist.
00:24:56.860 --> 00:25:01.970 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they will put you some kind of proofs around that.
00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:08.690 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because we are survivors of pain and trauma.
00:25:10.070 --> 00:25:16.960 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: we have a lot of kind of traumas and pain. Not all of us have the same ones, or the strong ones, but…
00:25:18.260 --> 00:25:21.840 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We really want to be here, so… they will…
00:25:22.750 --> 00:25:25.040 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Stay as long as they need to.
00:25:25.190 --> 00:25:31.750 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: to really feel safe, and to be here and seen. And if that happens.
00:25:32.550 --> 00:25:33.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They will win.
00:25:33.110 --> 00:25:33.820 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Relax.
00:25:34.270 --> 00:25:40.609 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We will… we are… we will relax when we are… when we feel safe, so after that…
00:25:41.870 --> 00:25:43.949 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The heart is open forever.
00:25:44.330 --> 00:25:45.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:49.650 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: No matter what, no matter, no matter how shadows you have.
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:50.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:51.630 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: side of you?
00:25:52.390 --> 00:25:58.990 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You, you feel safe to… To show all… to show all the…
00:26:00.520 --> 00:26:02.159 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: All the things that you are.
00:26:02.760 --> 00:26:03.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's why.
00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:04.959 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Not, also. So…
00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Amen.
00:26:05.850 --> 00:26:11.100 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I think that that is the best way to really connect to stay.
00:26:11.590 --> 00:26:19.580 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: No matter what, and they will give… we as people, we… if we want to really trust in someone, we will say to them.
00:26:20.520 --> 00:26:24.010 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Almost, almost all our secrets. Almost.
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:24.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:26:24.980 --> 00:26:28.730 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And we will see what will be their reaction.
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:26:31.690 --> 00:26:35.130 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I have, clients that they said to me.
00:26:35.300 --> 00:26:38.429 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You know, I really hate my daughter.
00:26:38.860 --> 00:26:40.490 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I said, okay.
00:26:40.610 --> 00:26:42.860 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Let's talk about it. Why?
00:26:43.380 --> 00:26:44.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:26:44.580 --> 00:26:52.039 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I said, sometimes, You're so brave, because in some points, in some points, we hate our kids.
00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:52.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In fact.
00:26:52.470 --> 00:27:00.770 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because we are human, and they are really tough with us, and sometimes we hate them, and that's okay.
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:01.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:27:01.690 --> 00:27:02.350 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: you know.
00:27:03.370 --> 00:27:04.560 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Something like that.
00:27:05.510 --> 00:27:16.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see, I see. It's sort of being able to admit those deep, dark secrets that, you know, we don't want to say out loud in public, but when there's that
00:27:16.310 --> 00:27:23.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Connection, when there's that bond with someone, that then we can feel safe to say it.
00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:27.869 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yeah, and… we are really afraid
00:27:28.510 --> 00:27:35.470 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: to have these feelings. We are really afraid, you know, to… to hate.
00:27:36.350 --> 00:27:37.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:27:37.630 --> 00:27:42.100 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Emm… There's… there are reasons for…
00:27:42.230 --> 00:27:44.630 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: For these kind of emotions in…
00:27:45.520 --> 00:27:48.390 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We will talk about it, but yes, we have…
00:27:48.910 --> 00:27:56.290 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The right to feel, but we don't let us to feel, because we are really afraid to be rejected or abandoned.
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or whatever.
00:27:58.120 --> 00:28:03.240 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: But we can feel it, and if someone let us to feel it, And to…
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:03.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:28:03.790 --> 00:28:04.970 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Be part of that.
00:28:06.130 --> 00:28:07.400 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We can release that.
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:09.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Hmm.
00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:23.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you live down in Mexico, you work with people there. It's a little bit of a different culture than here in the United States. I'm just curious.
00:28:23.090 --> 00:28:34.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Are there different kinds of challenges you have with working with people down there compared to people from other countries, or is it pretty universal?
00:28:35.010 --> 00:28:36.180 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It's universal.
00:28:36.360 --> 00:28:39.359 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The language of the heart and the soul is universal.
00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:40.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:28:40.860 --> 00:28:45.890 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: it's not cultural. Cultural stuff is another thing, but…
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.189 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The language of the heart and the soul is universal.
00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:51.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:28:52.180 --> 00:29:07.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, okay. All right, we're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, I want to, maybe go a little bit more into what someone can do for themselves, like, if they're not working with a therapist, but they're
00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:14.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Having difficulty, you know, what processes someone might be able to do on their own to help, okay?
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:32.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on TalkRadio.nyc, and all over social media, and we'll be right back with our guest.
00:29:32.110 --> 00:29:38.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Gina Goldfeder, author of the book, Releasing the Emotional Wound, in just a moment.
00:30:52.630 --> 00:30:58.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour Awakening Humanity. We're speaking this hour
00:30:59.060 --> 00:31:08.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with Dr. Gina Goldfeder. So, Dr. Gina, if someone's listening to this, and maybe they don't have a therapist they work with right now.
00:31:08.850 --> 00:31:27.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But they are, you know, dealing with emotional challenges from the past. What tools can we give them? What, you know, path can we at least, you know, point them in the direction of to help them in dealing with these pain and these challenges?
00:31:29.260 --> 00:31:37.100 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: There are… there is an easy tool, really easy, when you practice it, that it's being your own observer.
00:31:37.610 --> 00:31:41.930 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Of your thoughts, of your feelings. I will give an example.
00:31:42.270 --> 00:31:45.290 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Maybe you are in a store?
00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:50.170 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And someone said to you something, that it was rude to you.
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:56.599 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then you feel… sad, or you feel angry, or whatever.
00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:00.139 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then you can ask this question.
00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:11.140 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: What is… what this situation says… said about myself, says… said about me, about me. What is this situation is telling me?
00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:13.190 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Something about myself.
00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:18.410 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, there are two tools, very soon, very…
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:24.770 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: easy ones, that it's being that observer, Around questioning yourself.
00:32:25.510 --> 00:32:26.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:32:26.230 --> 00:32:32.470 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: When you feel uncomfortable, don't put all your energy outside with the other ones.
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:33.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:32:33.460 --> 00:32:38.690 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: why I'm feeling uncomfortable? Why I am feeling sad?
00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:44.230 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The other day, I was looking at, podcast.
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.599 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I start to cry.
00:32:47.290 --> 00:32:47.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:54.320 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The podcast was around a stranger giving flowers to strangers in a street.
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:55.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:57.460 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And all the reactions around that.
00:32:58.510 --> 00:33:05.349 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then… I realized that I was crying, and then I asked to myself, why am I crying?
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.019 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then my, my answer to that was.
00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:12.060 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: There was a long time that I haven't received.
00:33:12.270 --> 00:33:13.330 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Flowers.
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.960 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Actually, flowers from my husband.
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.090 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then I asked to myself, what can I do around that?
00:33:22.090 --> 00:33:22.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:33:22.800 --> 00:33:27.750 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: My answer was… And… And then…
00:33:28.410 --> 00:33:35.620 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Funny, and the adventure, and the happiest thing that happened to me was that my answer was.
00:33:36.370 --> 00:33:37.890 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I will give me.
00:33:38.340 --> 00:33:40.330 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To myself, flowers!
00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:41.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So…
00:33:41.850 --> 00:33:46.520 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, when you ask to yourself, What's going on with yourself?
00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:50.759 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You… In the practice, you stop
00:33:50.870 --> 00:33:58.649 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To blame others, or to give others the authority of your feelings, or you start to be free.
00:33:58.930 --> 00:34:05.139 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because the decision was, I will give to myself, to myself flowers. And then.
00:34:05.750 --> 00:34:09.540 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The creativity came up, because I started to think.
00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:13.480 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: How do I will send to myself flowers?
00:34:14.080 --> 00:34:15.309 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: with notes.
00:34:15.449 --> 00:34:23.240 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I will say to the… yes, I will send notes to myself, I will send some phrases of my book.
00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:29.400 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: In that notes that I will send it to myself, and I will send it every week.
00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:40.049 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I will choose them, and I will… and I will, tell to the store, send it to me in a date that I will not know, as a surprise.
00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:50.390 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, yes, one of the tools is, and a huge one, and a simple one, is to question yourself, to observe your thoughts and your feelings.
00:34:50.790 --> 00:34:55.590 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And to say to yourself this question, what it says about me.
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:57.439 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: with others.
00:34:58.060 --> 00:34:58.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I think…
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.369 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That it's a good start for that.
00:35:01.330 --> 00:35:03.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, that's a good one, that's a good one.
00:35:04.820 --> 00:35:16.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The subtitle of your book is Shamanic and Psychological Tools to Transcend Trauma and Rebuild Your Life.
00:35:16.540 --> 00:35:19.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you weave in the shamanic stuff?
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:22.320 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Thank you for that.
00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:38.699 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: when the publisher said to me that they will write just shamanic, I was freaking out, because I said, no, no, no, don't do that! Please write psychological also, because they just wanted to put
00:35:39.040 --> 00:35:40.150 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: shamanic.
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:40.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Amen!
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:45.070 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Why do you think that I do shamanic things?
00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:50.250 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they said to me, because you're a shaman. And I said, how come?
00:35:50.710 --> 00:35:52.529 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because I'm a psychologist!
00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:57.609 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I have all my degrees in psychology.
00:35:58.240 --> 00:36:01.409 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And… the publisher said to me.
00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:09.150 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: In all the talks that we had together, all the things and the retails and the things that you do in your life.
00:36:09.560 --> 00:36:11.320 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And with your clients.
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:12.890 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: are shamanic.
00:36:15.640 --> 00:36:21.609 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So… It was a really, a good surprise for myself to, to really…
00:36:21.610 --> 00:36:22.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:36:22.180 --> 00:36:28.420 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: and… And she said to me also that another writer said to her.
00:36:28.560 --> 00:36:31.689 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Why you think that she's a shaman?
00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:32.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They were.
00:36:32.670 --> 00:36:35.030 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Like, kind of, kind of upset.
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.930 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And… and it was really interesting to…
00:36:40.120 --> 00:36:46.555 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And as I said to you at the beginning, I'm not staying in just one
00:36:47.830 --> 00:36:52.730 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: thing of life, like, I'm not just… Therapists, a psychologist.
00:36:52.730 --> 00:36:53.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: particular one.
00:36:53.830 --> 00:36:57.490 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I really trained myself, and I really live
00:36:57.720 --> 00:37:00.990 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: In that part of myself, in a shamanic.
00:37:02.070 --> 00:37:04.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well, you know, there's an old saying that
00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:08.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You're only a shaman if someone else calls you a shaman.
00:37:08.670 --> 00:37:09.210 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That's correct.
00:37:09.210 --> 00:37:12.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if you call yourself a shaman, you're not really a shaman.
00:37:12.570 --> 00:37:15.360 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Or if you are in that club, or…
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:37:16.310 --> 00:37:22.729 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: whatever, I don't know. But, when my daughter went to study to the United States.
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:32.559 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I made a ritual around… a lot of rituals around that. We made a box with all the memories and…
00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:33.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I love things.
00:37:34.410 --> 00:37:35.559 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That's a ritual.
00:37:35.870 --> 00:37:37.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:37.120 --> 00:37:37.840 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: than you.
00:37:38.290 --> 00:37:42.939 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Make your life… In two ways, like…
00:37:43.220 --> 00:37:49.719 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The emotional, the psychological, but also you put in the material world
00:37:50.630 --> 00:37:57.329 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: significance, like rituals, mantras, ceremonies around that. You're doing that in some way.
00:37:57.330 --> 00:37:58.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:58.790 --> 00:38:01.070 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You know, I think all of us are shamanic.
00:38:01.410 --> 00:38:02.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, yeah.
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:10.910 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You need to pay attention for that, but we make rituals. We say to ourselves some mantras, are good ones or a bad ones?
00:38:10.910 --> 00:38:11.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm…
00:38:11.850 --> 00:38:13.500 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We are doing that all the time.
00:38:15.020 --> 00:38:23.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Has a client, like, come to you and told you about a ritual that they created themselves that helped them in their process?
00:38:24.910 --> 00:38:31.259 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, and I do two things around that. I work with them around the meaning of that.
00:38:31.630 --> 00:38:37.379 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: What are the thoughts? What are the feelings? What are the reactions, the body reactions around that?
00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:41.850 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Why do they think that that ritual helped them?
00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:43.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm…
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.600 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: review I observed with them, that ritual.
00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:52.730 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I give them some new advices around that, or make new.
00:38:52.730 --> 00:38:54.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to us with them.
00:38:54.740 --> 00:39:00.920 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So with, when, with people that they are, more… Rationale?
00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:04.620 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I need to build the trust, first of all, the relation.
00:39:05.390 --> 00:39:07.580 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: If I cross that bridge.
00:39:08.220 --> 00:39:14.370 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They do the same things, even that they cannot see them as rational as they are.
00:39:15.100 --> 00:39:18.920 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: But I need to build the relation with them first.
00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:22.610 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: After we can do… we can do whatever.
00:39:22.740 --> 00:39:23.270 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Retail.
00:39:23.270 --> 00:39:23.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:39:23.690 --> 00:39:29.719 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: the ceremonies, mantras, but first of all, I need to work very hard in the relation.
00:39:29.720 --> 00:39:30.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you.
00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:30.880 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: relation.
00:39:31.330 --> 00:39:33.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. Yeah.
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:41.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, you've talked a bit, and we've mentioned about the difference between the mind and the body and the heart.
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:51.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That… that the mind only kind of gets us so far when it comes to healing. Like, talk therapy can be helpful, but to a point.
00:39:51.580 --> 00:40:00.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But then to really bring the body into it, the somatic sort of practice. And I'm just wondering,
00:40:01.340 --> 00:40:09.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you bring the somatic aspect into the healing process to help people with the emotional wounds?
00:40:10.220 --> 00:40:14.529 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I really pay attention around the symbols, around the things that they don't.
00:40:14.530 --> 00:40:15.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Say…
00:40:15.010 --> 00:40:17.280 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: in words.
00:40:17.970 --> 00:40:18.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: around WB.
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:19.829 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Behavior of the body.
00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:28.130 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Hmm. They… I really pay attention around how they say, the things that they say.
00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:29.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or how they…
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:31.009 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They look at me in some point.
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:32.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or…
00:40:33.270 --> 00:40:39.319 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So… The most important thing around that is the things that they don't say.
00:40:41.350 --> 00:40:42.420 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The silence.
00:40:44.350 --> 00:40:55.090 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: The way they… Turn off their voices, or the way they move the body.
00:40:55.780 --> 00:41:00.990 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Those are very… quiet, things.
00:41:01.620 --> 00:41:02.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:05.140 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And they are shouting things.
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.620 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So… Because they are not saying that, I need
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.630 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Take some, creativity around that.
00:41:14.420 --> 00:41:15.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's…
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:21.929 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: let's… if I, for example, I said to them, if this thing that you said to me
00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:24.040 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It was a… wear a song.
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.399 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: What kind of song it will be.
00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:27.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh…
00:41:27.710 --> 00:41:32.330 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That part of that song you will really enjoy to sing it.
00:41:32.670 --> 00:41:33.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sing it to me.
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:41:34.590 --> 00:41:35.520 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They sing it!
00:41:36.040 --> 00:41:36.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whoa.
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:45.129 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Or… Please make a drawing for this emotion that you all shared with me.
00:41:46.330 --> 00:41:48.120 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Or… sometimes?
00:41:48.590 --> 00:41:55.140 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And this is the Mexican way of doing that. I'm not sure in the US, but in Mexico.
00:41:55.140 --> 00:41:55.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nope.
00:41:56.180 --> 00:41:59.089 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Let's, let's… let's get out of here, let's have a walk.
00:41:59.630 --> 00:42:00.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh…
00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:03.819 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We take them out of my office, and we have a walk.
00:42:04.330 --> 00:42:07.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nice, nice, I really like that, I like that.
00:42:07.740 --> 00:42:15.280 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, yes, or let's be in silence, the next… 15 minutes.
00:42:15.910 --> 00:42:16.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:42:16.490 --> 00:42:18.090 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Let's see each other's eyes.
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:20.290 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It's strong.
00:42:20.490 --> 00:42:22.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, yeah.
00:42:22.770 --> 00:42:23.600 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So…
00:42:23.600 --> 00:42:24.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's…
00:42:24.680 --> 00:42:27.620 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You need to feel when… when… when you're stuck.
00:42:28.410 --> 00:42:32.199 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: With your client, or when he or she is, they are stuck?
00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:35.039 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And led to… to be that happen.
00:42:35.290 --> 00:42:41.229 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Like, to… to really… Accept that something is not flowing.
00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:47.360 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Not to give answers and to give solutions very quick.
00:42:48.220 --> 00:42:53.670 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Let's, appreciate that moment, because it's a strong one.
00:42:53.970 --> 00:42:56.079 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: It's the most, most important thing.
00:42:56.380 --> 00:43:01.129 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Actually, I made a story, 30 years ago, around…
00:43:02.420 --> 00:43:08.320 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: That the most important minutes of a session is the last 2 or 3?
00:43:08.990 --> 00:43:11.109 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And the 5 or 3?
00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:12.660 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: After that.
00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:17.259 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Because the client… Goes without saying something.
00:43:19.110 --> 00:43:23.460 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And what I was doing in that study was to asking them.
00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:27.390 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To write what they didn't say in session.
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:28.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:43:28.990 --> 00:43:32.479 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And it was beautiful. It was very strong, a very strong study around that.
00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:33.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:34.760 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: 30 years ago.
00:43:35.040 --> 00:43:40.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's something, that sounds great.
00:43:40.460 --> 00:43:44.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, we've talked a little bit around spirit, around soul.
00:43:45.210 --> 00:43:52.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What role does your own personal spirituality play in the healing work that you do?
00:43:55.940 --> 00:43:59.870 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: My challenge in my own life and with my profession.
00:44:01.390 --> 00:44:06.059 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Is that the only way for me to… Release your own wounds.
00:44:07.340 --> 00:44:14.159 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: is to… Forget, in some point, the story that Has that wound.
00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:15.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:44:15.370 --> 00:44:17.019 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To really feel free.
00:44:17.390 --> 00:44:20.290 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To make your own choices, no matter what.
00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:25.379 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To redefine yourself, By your own terms.
00:44:26.430 --> 00:44:28.749 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And you cannot do that with your thoughts.
00:44:29.670 --> 00:44:30.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to those.
00:44:30.050 --> 00:44:34.830 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So that way, in a spiritual… Experience.
00:44:36.710 --> 00:44:38.470 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So, the narrative…
00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:45.500 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You need to figure out how to change your narrative, and you need to connect with your heart.
00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:46.630 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Your heart?
00:44:47.220 --> 00:44:51.959 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: always knows. Actually, the heart knows more things that your mind knows.
00:44:52.140 --> 00:44:52.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:44:52.970 --> 00:44:57.730 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: There's a lot of stories around that. There's a…
00:44:58.450 --> 00:45:05.550 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Not a clinic, like, yes, kind of a clinic, that the name of it is Hard Matt.
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.510 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They have been studying the heart around…
00:45:10.680 --> 00:45:17.580 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: 20 or 30 years, and they know already that the heart has more neurons than the mind.
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:25.989 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And the heart can anticipate what is going to happen around 5 seconds before it will happen.
00:45:26.810 --> 00:45:28.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That I didn't know.
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.560 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Beautiful. You can see that study in their website.
00:45:31.560 --> 00:45:33.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, the HeartMath Institute, yeah.
00:45:33.240 --> 00:45:34.200 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yeah, yeah.
00:45:34.630 --> 00:45:35.870 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So…
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:46.979 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: what I try to do all the time with myself and my clients is to connect, to really connect with the body and the heart.
00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:51.049 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And then the explanations, you know?
00:45:51.050 --> 00:45:52.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm…
00:45:52.270 --> 00:45:56.709 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: But to really ask the most important questions.
00:45:57.350 --> 00:46:08.509 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: to your heart. And you will find the response or the answer in a simple one. You will hear yes or no. If you will.
00:46:08.510 --> 00:46:08.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: asked to…
00:46:08.900 --> 00:46:09.770 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: your heart.
00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:11.599 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: A huge question.
00:46:11.790 --> 00:46:14.819 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: You will hear in your mind, yes or no.
00:46:14.980 --> 00:46:16.810 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: No, not more than that.
00:46:17.270 --> 00:46:17.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, the…
00:46:17.930 --> 00:46:22.770 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: thoughts and all of that, that's another story.
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.240 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yeah. I don't know.
00:46:24.860 --> 00:46:26.990 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: So yes, it's around that, more or less.
00:46:26.990 --> 00:46:28.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:46:28.650 --> 00:46:36.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious about, you know, in the last few years, the world has gotten
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:51.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It feels, like, much more complex, much busier, much faster paced. It feels like people are going through more and more challenges than ever before. When people come to you.
00:46:51.680 --> 00:47:03.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you have any advice or any tools to help with just kind of dealing with the day-to-day pressure of society changing so quickly?
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:11.319 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, one of the things that I invite them to do is to make a date with themselves.
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:15.230 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: As Julia Cameron said in some part of her books.
00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:24.099 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, I made them as a tool. In some point. You need to make, every week, a date with yourself.
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:24.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:47:24.770 --> 00:47:28.720 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To resolve anything. Just to… himself.
00:47:29.140 --> 00:47:29.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's one of them.
00:47:29.850 --> 00:47:30.520 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: things.
00:47:30.730 --> 00:47:38.329 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Another thing is to write their diaries, not around what they did in the day, around
00:47:38.570 --> 00:47:48.210 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: their passion, their fears, their commitment in some things in their lives. That's one of the things that I do with them.
00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:51.810 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And I make them to be,
00:47:54.240 --> 00:48:00.340 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: To promise to themselves, not to me, that they will stay in therapy at least 3 months.
00:48:01.050 --> 00:48:02.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh.
00:48:02.870 --> 00:48:03.490 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes.
00:48:03.870 --> 00:48:04.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perfectly.
00:48:04.270 --> 00:48:06.470 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: I think they stay much more.
00:48:06.470 --> 00:48:07.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Long, right?
00:48:07.770 --> 00:48:17.609 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Very long. I know clients for 30 years. It doesn't mean that they've been with me 30 years, but when they have something important in their lives, they come back.
00:48:18.030 --> 00:48:18.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, right.
00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:20.189 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Work on that, and they…
00:48:20.870 --> 00:48:28.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. Yeah, and it's really important to have that kind of professional support, because
00:48:28.190 --> 00:48:34.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Coming in and having a session with a therapist is much different than just talking to your best friend about your problem.
00:48:34.730 --> 00:48:41.489 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Yes, because your friend will tell you the things that they think that they are right or wrong.
00:48:41.910 --> 00:48:47.039 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: a professional will tell you always the truth, I hope so.
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:48.510 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Who knows?
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:55.439 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: A professional doesn't need to… to make a client be dependent on you.
00:48:56.600 --> 00:48:58.429 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: They will work for your freedom.
00:48:58.890 --> 00:49:00.980 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Right. A good one, I hope so.
00:49:00.980 --> 00:49:02.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A good one, yes.
00:49:02.420 --> 00:49:03.200 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Right?
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:04.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it is.
00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:05.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well…
00:49:05.780 --> 00:49:28.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Gina, I know you have to run to another appointment. I really want to thank you for taking the time to come on the show today, and I hope that at least some of what we said reaches people and maybe triggers a little something to help people to support themselves in challenging times.
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:41.390 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: And yes, you have the book, you will see in Releasing the Emotional Wound, a lot of things that we couldn't talk about it today, but yes, I'm really thankful for your interest, and I hope that someone…
00:49:41.930 --> 00:49:43.199 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: We'll hear this.
00:49:43.370 --> 00:49:47.720 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: With our hearts, with our souls, and with our minds also, why not?
00:49:48.060 --> 00:50:00.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate you, and I really hope your book, Releasing the Emotional Wound, gets into more and more people's hands.
00:50:00.410 --> 00:50:01.279 Dr. Gina Goldfeder: Thank you, Sam.
00:50:01.510 --> 00:50:02.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you.
00:50:02.380 --> 00:50:24.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners who tune in each week. Without you, there is no show. And please remember, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on TalkRadio.nyc and on your favorite podcasting platform, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Amazon, wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find.
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the Conscious Consultant Hour.
00:50:27.200 --> 00:50:31.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Take care, everyone. We will talk to you all next week.
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