EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes James Woeber, best-selling author, international consultant, speaker, and Co-Founder and President of The Art of Heartful Living Institute.
For more than three decades, James has worked with inspired leaders and organizations to help them unlock their brilliance, manifest their greatest visions, and become genuine agents of positive change. His unique path integrates over thirty years as an energy healing master trainer with twenty-two years as a family and systemic constellations facilitator and trainer, alongside a distinguished career as a multi-award-winning producer, director, and writer whose work spans socially conscious nonprofits and Fortune 1000 companies.
What sets James's approach apart is the way he weaves these threads together into a single body of work aimed at wholeness. His encounter with Family and Systemic Constellations changed the way he understood healing itself. He discovered that many of the struggles we assume are ours alone are often carried down through family and ancestral lines, and that when those hidden dynamics are brought into the light, profound shifts can happen with surprising grace.
His work is not about fixing or discarding parts of ourselves we do not like, but about expanding our capacity to hold every part with strength and love. When we hold ourselves differently, he says, we begin to transform, and from that place we become people who can create real change in the world.
Together, Sam and James explore what it means to soften the old patterns that were designed to protect us, and to reconnect with the authentic power and gifts each of us came here to share. They discuss the wisdom of constellation work, the systemic dimensions of healing that individual approaches often miss, and the kind of heart-centered leadership our moment is calling for.
Drawing on more than two decades of facilitation, James speaks to the remarkable breakthroughs he has witnessed in people who did not become someone different, but were finally free to become more fully themselves. This episode is an invitation to remember who you are beneath the conditioning and inherited patterns you have carried, and to bring that authentic self into the world in service of something greater.
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This week's episode opens with Sam's blog post reflection, "When we know another's pain, we can love them," which explores how true compassion begins with humility—recognizing we can never fully know another's inner struggles, and that dropping our projections and simply listening opens the heart naturally, without needing to fix or judge. Sam then welcomes James Woeber, co-founder of the Art of Heartful Living Institute, who shares his journey from a tech-industry burnout into decades of energy healing and Family Constellations work, a path he first entered as a teenager through his mother's own healing from cancer. The conversation dives into Family Constellations as a practice rooted in Bert Hellinger's insight that ancestral trauma passes down through generations, with James describing how representatives in a constellation intuitively embody family members they've never met—tapping into a felt sense that reveals hidden truths and creates profound healing movements that release inherited burdens and restore authentic power.
In this segment, James explains how he's woven energy healing and Family Constellations into one practice—working somatically rather than intellectually, whether in individual sessions or business consulting, to help clients feel and release the ancestral and personal patterns shaping their lives. He shares moving examples of this work's ripple effects, from a woman reconciling with an estranged son shortly after a constellation session to broader shifts in abundance and clarity that emerge once inherited trauma and fear are released. The segment closes with James guiding listeners through a gentle meditation that invites them to feel their ancestral lineage standing behind them as a river of light and strength, then to carry that support forward as they take one symbolic step into whatever issue they're facing in their own lives.
00:00:42.820 --> 00:00:59.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my Conscious co-creators! Good morning, good evening, wherever you're tuning in from. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:59.910 --> 00:01:10.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We've got a wonderful show in store for you, as we always do, with a dear, dear old friend of mine, who I'm very happy to introduce you all to.
00:01:11.050 --> 00:01:21.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But first, of course, we have our blog post from a couple of years ago. And this one, I think it's rather apropos for what we're going to be talking about today.
00:01:21.430 --> 00:01:27.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this one is entitled… When we know another's pain, We can love them.
00:01:29.260 --> 00:01:33.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes, we think we know what another is going through.
00:01:34.410 --> 00:01:36.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Their pain. Their suffering.
00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So we want to help.
00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To ease another's agony.
00:01:42.140 --> 00:01:47.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And bring a little more relief to those who so desperately need it.
00:01:48.460 --> 00:01:54.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet we do not really know what anyone else is truly going through.
00:01:55.550 --> 00:02:01.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We do not know their internal struggles, their fears, dread, hope.
00:02:02.080 --> 00:02:03.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and dreams.
00:02:04.370 --> 00:02:08.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And their history is far too detailed and complex.
00:02:09.130 --> 00:02:10.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to truly grasp.
00:02:11.290 --> 00:02:13.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All that they are dealing with.
00:02:14.570 --> 00:02:16.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, how can we help?
00:02:17.570 --> 00:02:24.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How can we show up in a way that best serves another person when they are in pain?
00:02:25.640 --> 00:02:33.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The first and foremost thing is to recognize that we don't know what is really going on.
00:02:34.910 --> 00:02:40.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For there is far more about the person that we don't know than we do know.
00:02:41.650 --> 00:02:47.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what they are currently dealing with may be far more involved than we imagined.
00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:51.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we come from a place of humility.
00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:54.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then we can truly be with them.
00:02:55.580 --> 00:02:57.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To hold the space for them.
00:02:58.470 --> 00:03:00.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To be vulnerable with us.
00:03:01.290 --> 00:03:07.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And share our presence in a way that feels supportive to them.
00:03:08.310 --> 00:03:11.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Without trying to fix anything.
00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:17.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By not making them right, wrong, or anything in between.
00:03:17.650 --> 00:03:24.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we truly listen to them without expectation, We can hear them.
00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps for the first time.
00:03:29.650 --> 00:03:35.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In that moment of connection, we can hold their pain.
00:03:35.260 --> 00:03:37.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As if it were our own.
00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:42.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can feel, perhaps, Just a little.
00:03:43.130 --> 00:03:45.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of what it is like to be them.
00:03:46.490 --> 00:03:49.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To see the world from their eyes.
00:03:50.710 --> 00:03:54.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now we can understand just a little of their experience.
00:03:55.550 --> 00:03:59.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now we can learn to love them for who they are.
00:04:00.610 --> 00:04:02.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what they have been through.
00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Not out of pity or obligation.
00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:11.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But from a place of empathy and connection.
00:04:12.650 --> 00:04:18.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From that place of love and kindness, we will know just what to do.
00:04:19.149 --> 00:04:21.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just what to say.
00:04:21.760 --> 00:04:24.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And how to hear what they…
00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:30.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have to say in a way they truly need from us.
00:04:31.510 --> 00:04:35.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Their pain brings us closer to them.
00:04:36.430 --> 00:04:39.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The shared experience of life.
00:04:40.770 --> 00:04:43.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Brings us all closer together.
00:04:44.650 --> 00:04:52.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Only when we can truly open our ears and our hearts without expectation.
00:04:52.130 --> 00:04:53.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can we feel it?
00:04:55.270 --> 00:04:57.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And they will feel it as well.
00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Imagine what the world would be like
00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we could all do that for each other.
00:05:09.690 --> 00:05:14.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… I wrote this, blog post
00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A couple of years ago, after,
00:05:19.390 --> 00:05:23.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A ceremony that we had done with a group of people.
00:05:24.960 --> 00:05:33.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… When we were going through the ceremony, the…
00:05:34.190 --> 00:05:37.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There was this one individual who
00:05:38.930 --> 00:05:46.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, we couldn't really tell what was going on with them. They were very kind of quiet and internal.
00:05:46.650 --> 00:05:56.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… And then at the end, when we do our integration circle, and they…
00:05:56.980 --> 00:06:00.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Started to share what was going on.
00:06:00.620 --> 00:06:03.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the trauma they had been through.
00:06:04.010 --> 00:06:13.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the… And the pain they were experiencing, it really had taken everybody aback.
00:06:14.690 --> 00:06:23.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the whole room was listening to them, and you could tell how surprised everyone was.
00:06:26.230 --> 00:06:30.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it really… Gave me a moment to pause.
00:06:31.210 --> 00:06:32.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To step back.
00:06:33.550 --> 00:06:40.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and realize… My own projections of this person.
00:06:41.450 --> 00:06:47.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Had caused me to… Approach them a certain way throughout the ceremony.
00:06:50.580 --> 00:06:54.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I realized I really didn't know anything.
00:06:57.520 --> 00:07:05.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so when this person shared My heart just… opened and…
00:07:05.790 --> 00:07:09.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And just empathized with them so much.
00:07:12.500 --> 00:07:17.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I would say almost the whole room felt that way.
00:07:18.950 --> 00:07:22.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I really reflected on this because
00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:29.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, so much, we think we know what's going on with another person.
00:07:32.350 --> 00:07:39.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We think, oh, look, they've got it so together, and oh, they have a great relationship with their partner, and they're…
00:07:39.980 --> 00:07:41.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this and that.
00:07:42.110 --> 00:07:46.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we think we know what their life is like, but we really don't.
00:07:48.580 --> 00:07:53.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And until we take the time to just stop.
00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:01.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And drop our expectations, drop our projections of this other person.
00:08:03.850 --> 00:08:08.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And really be with them in humility and curiosity.
00:08:08.880 --> 00:08:11.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And listen to what they're going through.
00:08:12.810 --> 00:08:17.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… And ask questions, and really…
00:08:17.730 --> 00:08:20.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Be with them, and feel them.
00:08:21.150 --> 00:08:24.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't really know what's going on with them.
00:08:27.930 --> 00:08:30.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, if you're like me, and you really…
00:08:31.870 --> 00:08:39.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Want to support people, and you have friends who are maybe going through a bit of a struggle.
00:08:40.760 --> 00:08:49.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And maybe they've been going through it for a while, and maybe you're starting to get a little tired of hearing them talk about the same old thing every day.
00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But have you stopped to really listen to them?
00:08:56.210 --> 00:08:59.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have you stopped to really ask them.
00:08:59.540 --> 00:09:03.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what's going on inside of them? How are they feeling?
00:09:06.540 --> 00:09:08.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What are they experiencing?
00:09:10.650 --> 00:09:17.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To really not assume That we know what's going on with another person.
00:09:19.980 --> 00:09:23.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to just get in there with them, and be open.
00:09:23.660 --> 00:09:27.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And truly listen to what they say, and how they say it.
00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:31.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ben.
00:09:32.420 --> 00:09:35.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can really be open.
00:09:35.880 --> 00:09:37.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to them.
00:09:37.260 --> 00:09:39.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To what's going on for them.
00:09:40.060 --> 00:09:44.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: into… Just being present with them.
00:09:47.030 --> 00:09:53.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And in my experience, when we really… Step into it.
00:09:55.840 --> 00:10:00.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we really… Acknowledge their pain.
00:10:01.370 --> 00:10:04.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And really see it, and the impact
00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Their pain has had on them.
00:10:08.180 --> 00:10:12.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's hard not to open our hearts to them.
00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:22.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's hard… not to… just wanted… Be there for them.
00:10:26.140 --> 00:10:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I guess you could say that this blog post is really about…
00:10:32.970 --> 00:10:36.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dropping our expectations of another person.
00:10:37.650 --> 00:10:42.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In our projections of what they're doing, right, wrong, or otherwise.
00:10:44.390 --> 00:10:46.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And learning to just listen.
00:10:48.810 --> 00:10:54.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we do that, It's hard not to open your heart to that person.
00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, that's my blog post.
00:10:59.450 --> 00:11:06.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is entitled, When we know another's pain, We can love them.
00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:15.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, you can always find my blog post on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:22.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, you can also find it on the station's website at TalkRadio.nyc slash blog.
00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:35.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and if you like my writings, you like my blog post, I also have a whole book of writings called Everyday Awakening, which is available at your favorite booksellers.
00:11:36.700 --> 00:11:54.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right, now, it is my truly extreme pleasure to welcome to the show James Woeber, best-selling author, international consultant, speaker, and co-founder and president of the Art of Heartful Living Institute.
00:11:54.750 --> 00:12:10.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For more than three decades, James has worked with inspired leaders and organizations to help them unlock their brilliance, manifest their greatest visions, and become genuine agents of positive change. His unique path
00:12:10.890 --> 00:12:31.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: integrates over 30 years as an energy healing master trainer and 22 years as a family and systems constellations facilitator and trainer, alongside a distinguished career as a multi-award-winning producer, director, and writer whose work spans socially, conscious.
00:12:31.330 --> 00:12:34.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: nonprofits and Fortune 1000 companies.
00:12:34.740 --> 00:12:44.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What sets James' approach apart is the way he weaves these threads together into a single body of work aimed at wholeness.
00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:52.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: His encounter with family and systemic constellations changed the way he understood healing itself.
00:12:52.810 --> 00:13:01.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He discovered that many of the struggles we assume are ours alone are often carried down through family and ancestral lines.
00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:14.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that when those hidden dynamics are brought into the light, profound shifts can happen with surprising grace. His work is not about fixing or discarding parts of ourselves we do not like.
00:13:14.780 --> 00:13:21.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But about expanding our capacity to hold every part with strength and love.
00:13:22.250 --> 00:13:32.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we hold ourselves differently, he says, we begin to transform. And from that place, we become people who can create real change in the world.
00:13:32.780 --> 00:13:35.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, James.
00:13:35.690 --> 00:13:38.639 James Woeber: Hmm, thank you very much, Sam. It's great to be here.
00:13:38.860 --> 00:13:49.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, it's a pleasure to have you. James and I have known each other for probably a decade or more, and it's really an honor to bring him on the show.
00:13:49.850 --> 00:14:01.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, James, you've been involved in energy healing work. I mean, like, I've been doing it 20 years, but you've been doing it, like, over 30 years, you know? I feel like a young'un in this.
00:14:02.170 --> 00:14:06.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you get into energy healing at such a young age?
00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:15.050 James Woeber: I originally got into the energy healing work actually through my mom, who you've met before. I was,
00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:31.059 James Woeber: probably 13 years old when she started dragging me around, to different workshops. And kind of… not to get too much of the backstory, but she got cancer, was a business consultant, and shifted everything going toward energy healing work.
00:14:31.210 --> 00:14:34.220 James Woeber: Because that's what healed her in her own life.
00:14:34.450 --> 00:14:40.299 James Woeber: And, so she used me as a guinea pig when she was originally exploring the energy healing work.
00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:54.699 James Woeber: And, and I just found it was amazing. I… I was… at that time, I didn't even think that I would become a healer of any idea of that. But I was really amazed with what I was feeling in my body, you know, feeling the tingling in the opening.
00:14:54.700 --> 00:14:55.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:09.070 James Woeber: kind of bubbling to the surface of issues and patterns and more awareness of what was going on inside, and it really impacted my life a lot. So I started actually exploring it and went to some trainings early on.
00:15:09.260 --> 00:15:13.829 James Woeber: But then I went on with life, and I got involved in tech, and
00:15:14.040 --> 00:15:19.050 James Woeber: helped launch a startup company as part of that, and I just got really burned out.
00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:21.099 James Woeber: In the process of doing that.
00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:30.699 James Woeber: And, so I went back to what had felt good before. I started doing yoga and the energy healing work, and really healing my own life.
00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:31.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Always think.
00:15:31.430 --> 00:15:32.780 James Woeber: thinking that I would go back.
00:15:32.890 --> 00:15:34.270 James Woeber: You know, to the tech world.
00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:44.500 James Woeber: But I never did. You know, I just… I started doing workshops, I started helping out, you know, at a young age with helping out with some of my mom's trainings.
00:15:44.500 --> 00:15:44.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Which was…
00:15:44.930 --> 00:16:02.770 James Woeber: doing with the energy healing work, and I found that I… it was… I was a natural at it. You know, I had been around my mom doing it for a while, and I just took to it really well. And I found that, out of all things that I've experienced in life, it was the thing that was impacting me and changing me the most.
00:16:02.930 --> 00:16:07.980 James Woeber: And then I noticed when I was making changes, then that had more of an impact out in the world.
00:16:08.060 --> 00:16:27.819 James Woeber: So, I just kind of… I kind of fell into it a little bit, and just… and just discovered that this is where I wanted to be, and started exploring more modalities, the constellation work and so forth, hypnosis, pretty much anything I can get my hands on, and and then started, moving forward, and I was actually still doing the tech work
00:16:27.930 --> 00:16:36.759 James Woeber: At the time, until… until things just crashed and burned with that. And then I… I really opened up to doing more of the trainings and… and following that path.
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:46.699 James Woeber: Yeah, I'm so glad. I mean, in hindsight, it was a difficult time of my life, but in hindsight, it's brought me to what is most important in my life.
00:16:46.790 --> 00:16:59.989 James Woeber: And, I still, interestingly, do a lot of work with business, but I do it more from this angle of the internal work and how that then influences and can change externally those who we work with.
00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:07.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. Yeah, so it sounds like this is really part of your DNA, right? There's not too many people I know whose
00:17:08.150 --> 00:17:16.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: parents… I mean, there were a couple of people out there, but not too many people whose parents were, like, really into this, and that's what got them into it. And,
00:17:16.690 --> 00:17:36.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it sounds so interesting, like, you were busy doing tech work, but something kept drawing you back to the energy work, and drawing you back, and drawing you back. Do you remember the moment when you decided to just step into it full-time, or was it not a single moment, it was just sort of a gradual leaning in that direction?
00:17:36.800 --> 00:17:51.709 James Woeber: Yeah, as part of the startup company, I won't mention any names with it or anything, just to… but I had a really bad experience with that. I was one of the founders with the company, but, the,
00:17:51.950 --> 00:18:00.240 James Woeber: the dynamic… a dynamic happened where I, along with my entire team as VP of Production, got fired by the board.
00:18:00.570 --> 00:18:12.219 James Woeber: Which was… which was amazing, because we had just launched two weeks ago, but it was a political thing that was going on, and so not a reflection of my work, and I just felt devastated.
00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:12.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful.
00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:18.229 James Woeber: this that I put so much energy into. So again, I was… I was trying to heal up.
00:18:18.410 --> 00:18:26.069 James Woeber: As I was going through this, and and in the process of doing that, I remember really feeling,
00:18:26.290 --> 00:18:37.279 James Woeber: you know, the business background and savvy I had. I was watching my mom with her trainings, so I said to her, I said, you know, we should create an energy healing school.
00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:47.280 James Woeber: And that's The Art of Heartful Living, so we co-created that. And in the beginning, she didn't want to do that, because she didn't want to… her view was.
00:18:47.310 --> 00:19:00.170 James Woeber: That the… the energy healing work was something that you really had to embody by doing the inner work. It wasn't a set of techniques. And then… so I just said to her, I said, well, why don't we help people connect with that?
00:19:00.450 --> 00:19:10.490 James Woeber: Why don't we help people do what I had experienced with her, you know, really helping to gain more awareness of what's going on inside of ourselves.
00:19:10.690 --> 00:19:28.290 James Woeber: And find our own way of bringing energy, whatever we may call it, out into the world. Because really, every one of us is constantly creating, constantly impacting people with our energy. It's just bringing awareness to how we're doing that.
00:19:28.530 --> 00:19:38.339 James Woeber: And so, we really changed the format of the school, so it was much more experiential and was about people finding their own gifts.
00:19:38.830 --> 00:19:45.859 James Woeber: So, we kind of created something that was quite unique out in the field at that time, and
00:19:46.060 --> 00:19:58.960 James Woeber: Yeah, that really started me on the path to wanting to explore how to support myself and other people in connecting with that in different ways and through different modalities.
00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:01.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, wow, wow.
00:20:01.800 --> 00:20:05.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you've learned, like, a lot of different modalities.
00:20:05.770 --> 00:20:14.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But then, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, once you found Family Constellations, like, you really dove into that.
00:20:15.130 --> 00:20:19.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I'm curious, what was it about Family Constellations that…
00:20:20.520 --> 00:20:25.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Captured your imagination more so than all these other modalities you had learned.
00:20:26.060 --> 00:20:41.920 James Woeber: Yeah, for me, it was very complimentary with the energy healing work, and I had some people from both modalities push back a little bit in the beginning, because… but I really see them as one larger modality.
00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:42.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just…
00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:56.380 James Woeber: which is what I do with my practice and with my trainings today, which is everything is energy, and oftentimes we relate to the self, as, you know, what is going on inside of me, what are my personal
00:20:56.590 --> 00:21:01.579 James Woeber: patterns and dynamics. You know, so the energy healing work oftentimes focuses
00:21:01.660 --> 00:21:12.340 James Woeber: on what are we doing internally, and how are we healing our own lives. And then the constellation work really looks at a much broader picture with that.
00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:30.100 James Woeber: It looks historically at what are the traumas and the patterns that have cascaded down through our ancestors and are impacting the ways that we show up in the world. And then, and then also with the constellation work, you can… you can focus a lot on how we interact
00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:34.970 James Woeber: with systems in our lives. So, with our families, with relationship.
00:21:35.130 --> 00:21:50.630 James Woeber: within our workplace, what we bring out into the world, you know, pretty much, if you look around us, the nature itself is a larger system, right? And so, it's really looking at how, when we heal as an individual.
00:21:50.700 --> 00:22:04.920 James Woeber: how is that impacting and interfacing with the rest of the world? So, if we're really talking about making positive change in the world, you really need both aspects, right? You need to know and have awareness
00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:14.689 James Woeber: And be able to affect dynamics and changes within ourselves, but then also see how it's all interacting together in the larger whole.
00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:31.610 James Woeber: And so, I really see them as two different systems that are interchangeable and really can't be separated from one another. So, yeah, I absolutely love the family and systemic constellation work.
00:22:31.610 --> 00:22:47.100 James Woeber: It's a very… you know a lot about the work yourself, and there's really no end to what you can do with the work. You can apply it to business strategy, you can, you know, on a personal level, on a professional level.
00:22:47.270 --> 00:23:06.910 James Woeber: It opens you to things that there's no way that the conscious mind can know by itself. It opens you to the… what they call the field of that which is larger than us, so you get insights and reflections that are beyond what just the intellect can connect with.
00:23:07.020 --> 00:23:19.329 James Woeber: So it creates these incredibly profound healings and openings and insights that you don't get with a lot of other modalities, I've found. So yeah, I really love it, really love it.
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:24.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely, truly a profound experience.
00:23:24.750 --> 00:23:35.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For our audience who are not familiar with Family Constellations, could you give them just, like, a brief idea of, like, how it works and what you're doing with it?
00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:44.589 James Woeber: That is not an easy question to answer, just because the field has become so large that you can have 100 different facilitators.
00:23:44.590 --> 00:23:45.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.489 James Woeber: constellation work, and you might not even know that it's the same.
00:23:48.490 --> 00:23:49.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Same word.
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:51.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, how you do it.
00:23:51.660 --> 00:24:08.140 James Woeber: Right, exactly, exactly. But in general, it actually came originally from family constellation work, from a man named Bert Hellinger, a German, and in general, the idea was in the beginning, and that this still works into the foundation of the work.
00:24:08.190 --> 00:24:26.719 James Woeber: Is how do traumas pass down through families? So, for example, if a grandfather or a mother or so forth goes through a heavy trauma, it impacts then how they're showing up with the family. You know, for example, they might shut down emotionally and not be available.
00:24:26.990 --> 00:24:46.530 James Woeber: And then the child, you know, and as children, we need to feel safe, we need to feel loved, we need to feel seen. So if those are compromised in some way by the traumas that are experienced, then it impacts how we are in the world when we grow up from that type of environment, that type of family environment.
00:24:46.630 --> 00:24:58.309 James Woeber: You know, we might do certain defense mechanisms or strategies to try to get the love. So we copy patterns that the father or the mother might have.
00:24:58.350 --> 00:25:09.809 James Woeber: or we push away from trying to be like the parent, which also means that we're entangled, right? It's just a different way of being entangled in the trauma.
00:25:09.950 --> 00:25:22.640 James Woeber: And so… so basically the… the constellation work is a way of setting up these larger systems, family systems and other, where we can see the… the deeper underpinnings
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:35.539 James Woeber: that are causing the patterns and behaviors in our lives. So the traumas that originally created that. And in general, what you do in a constellation is you hand the trauma back to where it belongs in the family system.
00:25:35.610 --> 00:25:44.019 James Woeber: You open to the love and the flow, which is within the system. That is… that is part of what creates our strength and our foundation.
00:25:44.040 --> 00:25:56.389 James Woeber: And our, capacity to create healthy change in our lives and other lives. And, and then gives us what they call healing movements, which are very…
00:25:57.740 --> 00:26:09.280 James Woeber: very simple, usually, steps that actually relate a lot to your blog post. They're ways of showing up internally and out in the world that create massive shift.
00:26:09.370 --> 00:26:20.039 James Woeber: Just by the way that we're showing up. And so it's both a releasing to the past, that which… the burdens that don't belong to us, and then opening to our full
00:26:20.250 --> 00:26:22.860 James Woeber: Authentic power and expression in the world.
00:26:23.090 --> 00:26:23.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:24.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the thing that…
00:26:24.870 --> 00:26:27.409 James Woeber: Constellation will be some version of that.
00:26:27.410 --> 00:26:37.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. You know, the thing that, from my first consolation workshop, that really got me, and got me to, like, go, oh my god, this is really special.
00:26:38.210 --> 00:26:47.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was how the facilitator… how… the person who's… you're working with, they pick someone who represents them.
00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:55.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then they pick people who represent different people in their family, or their constellation, so parents, grandparents, whatever.
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and how… the different people
00:26:59.950 --> 00:27:10.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: will feel the energy or move in a certain way that are so in alignment with the person they're representing.
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:24.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, it's not just the facilitator sort of tuning in, which the facilitator does, of what feel… into the field, and what feels right, and what can be supportive, but that all… everyone who's participating in it
00:27:24.620 --> 00:27:29.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can tap into that as well, and they… They kind of…
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:39.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Feel the energy of the person they're representing without necessarily knowing the person who they're working for, in a way, at all.
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:49.360 James Woeber: Right, right. It's very intuitive, and it's interesting how our bodies just kind of know when we're connecting with the other person's
00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:50.710 James Woeber: family system.
00:27:50.720 --> 00:28:08.739 James Woeber: information comes through you that you wouldn't know, and oftentimes, I like to set them up double or triple blind, which basically means no one knows what's going on with it. You don't know the backstory, you don't even know the issue that the person's working with, you just know your felt sense.
00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:22.599 James Woeber: of what's coming through. And it's very, very common, like you're describing with this constellation. I had similar experiences when I first started and was blown away. It's very common for… I'll be working with a client.
00:28:22.610 --> 00:28:30.780 James Woeber: And, you know, a representative, which is what they call a person who's embodying the mother or the father, or the issue.
00:28:30.810 --> 00:28:47.930 James Woeber: They'll… they'll do something as the father, and the client will lean into me and will say, oh my gosh, that's exactly what my father would say, or, you know, like, it's… it's… information comes through that is… tends to be exactly what the person, the client, needs.
00:28:47.990 --> 00:29:01.809 James Woeber: To, to create the healing and the opening in their lives. And so we're opening to this larger field, that brings through information that's, yeah, it's uncanny, amazing, you know, what shows up in the constellations.
00:29:01.810 --> 00:29:03.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:29:03.770 --> 00:29:18.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's uncanny what shows up among the people in doing it, as well as the facilitator who helps to sort of manage the whole thing. So, you know, it really, to me, just shows up how
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:26.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It highlights how, when we just open to the feeling, the felt sense, and our intuition.
00:29:26.190 --> 00:29:39.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we can pick up on things that we have no clue and no idea where it's coming from, but can actually be extremely accurate for what we're tapping into.
00:29:39.350 --> 00:29:44.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to me, like, that in and of itself is very empowering.
00:29:45.050 --> 00:29:48.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For people that, like, oh, like, like.
00:29:48.330 --> 00:30:01.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I can't remember, I think there was one consolation, someone was representative of a certain person in their family, and they were like, I have to sit down, I can't stand anymore, and they sat down, and the person was like.
00:30:01.370 --> 00:30:10.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: oh my god, like, that person, you know, they had a bad leg, and they couldn't stand for very long, and they always had to sit down, or, you know, something like that, and I'm like.
00:30:10.820 --> 00:30:11.210 James Woeber: Right.
00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:17.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow. It's like, this person knew absolutely nothing about the person they're representing or about it, but…
00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:21.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was able to tap into the energy and feel what was a…
00:30:21.930 --> 00:30:25.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Appropriate, and it would turn out to be so accurate.
00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:32.340 James Woeber: Right. To that point, one of the constellations, this was… Probably over 10 years ago.
00:30:32.590 --> 00:30:40.440 James Woeber: But similarly, a guy stepped in, it was his very first time doing a constellation, so he had no idea what he was doing.
00:30:40.530 --> 00:30:57.319 James Woeber: And he said, I just have to go over and sit down, and I was doing this workshop in a yoga studio. So he went over and he sat down on a stack of yoga bolsters, and as it turns out, he was representing the mother, you can represent either sex, and the mother was in a wheelchair.
00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:04.450 James Woeber: So, similarly, like, just how does that come through the consciousness? You know, it's really amazing.
00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:09.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back.
00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:17.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I would like you to talk about, sort of the different ways that you apply Family Constellation, since it is
00:31:17.100 --> 00:31:30.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so malleable, and can you use it in many different situations, and maybe, like, what's the benefit you've seen people get from it, and let's tie it up with maybe giving some
00:31:30.970 --> 00:31:36.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Some exercises or some support to our audience that they can try themselves.
00:31:36.290 --> 00:31:37.699 James Woeber: Great, love it.
00:31:38.070 --> 00:31:38.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Awesome.
00:31:38.730 --> 00:31:58.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on TalkRadio.nyc and all over social media. And we'll be right back with my guest and dear friend, James Woeber, in just a moment.
00:33:13.530 --> 00:33:30.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour Awakening Humanity. We're speaking this hour with James Woeber, founder and… co-founder and president of the Art of Heartful Living Institute. James, so…
00:33:31.070 --> 00:33:42.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: with all this different energy healing work, and I'm gonna lump family and systemic constellations under energy work, because it's tapping into the energetic field that's all around us.
00:33:44.150 --> 00:33:49.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: energy work is something very fluid. It's something that you can sort of…
00:33:49.900 --> 00:34:01.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: apply in different ways, and everybody sort of has their own flavor to it. I've had, you know, many different healers on my show over the years, 16 years that I've been doing my show, who
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:14.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all have unique and interesting forms of energy healing work. So, once you learn the family constellations, what did you do? Like, how did you make it your own?
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:26.309 James Woeber: Right. It's really evolved over time, and so my… if you look at my personal practice and the workshops and the trainings I do, it's really shifted.
00:34:26.579 --> 00:34:35.969 James Woeber: And as I was mentioning before, it's kind of the energy work and the family and systemic constellation work have really come together as kind of one modality.
00:34:36.279 --> 00:34:52.429 James Woeber: So, it's a little bit different depending on whether I'm working individually or with a group, but there's some commonality with both. So, individually, usually what I like to do, I believe that, as healers, we don't heal anybody.
00:34:52.449 --> 00:35:08.689 James Woeber: It's really the person is connecting and healing their own dynamics, and it's, depending on what your spiritual beliefs are, it's really spirit, or God, or oneness, or the energy, or whatever you might call it, that's doing the healing work.
00:35:08.759 --> 00:35:23.739 James Woeber: So my role as the healer, the so-called healer, is really to just hold a container, really, it's really increasing my capacity to hold space, much like you said in the blog post.
00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:35.919 James Woeber: Not saying that's an aspect of a person is right or wrong, but really helping reflect back to them all aspects and the patterns that are showing up and impacting their lives.
00:35:35.919 --> 00:35:47.299 James Woeber: and helping them connect with that, so that they can understand better, especially in the beginning stages, so they can understand better, oh, when I'm doing this in life.
00:35:47.299 --> 00:35:59.859 James Woeber: I'm going through this contraction with my heart, and I'm pulling up for my grounding, and I'm overusing my head, for example. And when I do that, then it's creating da-da-da-da-da-da in my life.
00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:02.469 James Woeber: So they can see and feel more
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:10.809 James Woeber: what they're doing and how the pattern is living within them. So it's… I like to move it away from the intellectual and more into the fellow.
00:36:11.130 --> 00:36:13.109 James Woeber: So it's very practical.
00:36:13.350 --> 00:36:27.030 James Woeber: That, I usually do some energy work on the table, as I do the work, which supports the movement, or sometimes I'll go straight to a constellation, which, as you said, might involve setting up an issue
00:36:27.120 --> 00:36:38.750 James Woeber: That they're wanting to look at. So with that, imaginary person that we were just… was just thinking about, they might… they… they might be coming in because they have a health problem.
00:36:38.790 --> 00:36:46.040 James Woeber: Or they might be coming in because they want to create more money in their lives. So I'll focus on what they want to focus on.
00:36:46.060 --> 00:36:59.349 James Woeber: And we'll set up that issue as part of a constellation. So I'll generally do some of the energy work and reflect the pattern in these series of sessions that I do with them, and then I'll do some constellations
00:36:59.350 --> 00:37:13.090 James Woeber: woven into those… that package or that series of sessions that help them get a better idea of what the roots of the patterns are, and how that's influencing different areas of their lives, so…
00:37:13.160 --> 00:37:30.970 James Woeber: If they're working, if they're having problems with their relationship, we'll set up a relationship constellation, or, you know, or what have you. So, what it ends up doing is it gives them a very full picture, and not just, intellectually again, but really a somatic experience.
00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:38.559 James Woeber: Of what the patterns are, and what steps they can take to create more healing in their lives around what they would like to create.
00:37:38.690 --> 00:37:41.939 James Woeber: And so it's… it's a combination of both modalities with those.
00:37:42.860 --> 00:37:47.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm wondering if you can maybe describe without, you know.
00:37:48.180 --> 00:38:02.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: breaking any confidentiality or anything. Like, what changes have you seen in people who you've worked with with this work? Like, what's evolved from it? What's come of it from their experience with it?
00:38:02.490 --> 00:38:11.379 James Woeber: Yeah, well, many, many benefits. You know, the main thing that I experience is just an increased sense of
00:38:11.510 --> 00:38:16.100 James Woeber: calmness, Centered, centered quality in self.
00:38:17.270 --> 00:38:31.599 James Woeber: the… what you were talking about in the beginning, that's kind of an ineffable sense of love and presence and… and peace in oneself and our connection with others. That's very much something that comes through.
00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:44.750 James Woeber: And then the results in our lives can be really profound as well. You know, it's amazing how, you know, we think of abundance or making money as something that's very much out in the material world.
00:38:44.970 --> 00:39:02.720 James Woeber: But really, when you experience a shift in the way that someone is tamping down their radiance because of fear of experiencing the same perpetration that their grandfather did, you know, in slavery, or in the Holocaust, or
00:39:02.720 --> 00:39:17.050 James Woeber: what have you, and then you experience the shift that takes place in their own lives just in releasing that old trauma. It really can be profound to see how much, it not just shifts the internal experience that we have.
00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:24.270 James Woeber: Of ourselves and our lives, but can shift, how much abundance opens up, or,
00:39:24.270 --> 00:39:37.519 James Woeber: how much clarity someone has around their path moving forward with their business and things like that. So I'd say that the shift is both internal and external in that way.
00:39:38.130 --> 00:39:43.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What's been the most surprising outcome from someone working with you?
00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:48.760 James Woeber: That's a great question. That's the most surprising outcome?
00:39:51.230 --> 00:40:02.670 James Woeber: I guess it's been just seeing, how the… how everything is really connected. You know, like, I had a… I did a workshop, this was probably 15 years ago.
00:40:02.740 --> 00:40:18.240 James Woeber: But I did a workshop, and this woman who was new to the work came in, and she was estranged with her two kids. And, so we actually did work on her and her parents, and that dynamic, and then put in the kids at the last moment, just so
00:40:18.260 --> 00:40:25.820 James Woeber: Her new way of being that was disentangled from her parents could be passed on to her kids as well.
00:40:25.930 --> 00:40:37.379 James Woeber: And, after the constellation, this was literally in the parking lot after the Constellation Workshop, she texted me, and she said, you won't believe it, my son just texted me.
00:40:38.630 --> 00:40:57.979 James Woeber: And they had been out of touch for a long time, so it just… just kind of pretty mind-blowing ways in which we don't see how everything's connected and how little shifts inside of ourselves can influence everything around us. But it's there. It's the way that we're actually healing. We heal as a whole.
00:40:58.190 --> 00:41:01.270 James Woeber: We don't heal individually, everything's healing together.
00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:14.139 James Woeber: And, so yeah, that… for me, that's probably… every time one of those things happens, which is not uncommon at all, it just… it just reminds me of how small I am, and how…
00:41:14.260 --> 00:41:23.720 James Woeber: How the healing is taking place underneath the surface all the time, and really, we can trust in that movement in the universe, in life.
00:41:24.690 --> 00:41:30.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you've also, you know, most people think of this kind of healing work as something
00:41:30.290 --> 00:41:35.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For spiritual, or sort of personal, but you've also really applied this to business, haven't you?
00:41:35.950 --> 00:41:43.699 James Woeber: Right. Yeah, actually, a lot of my clients are business clients, and we almost always end up doing personal work as well.
00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:48.930 James Woeber: Because it takes you to that, and to really make substantial change out in the world.
00:41:48.950 --> 00:42:08.879 James Woeber: the change comes from within, of course. But yeah, a lot of the work that I do… I've done work with people with legal cases, I've done, actually quite a bit of that. I've done work with people making decisions with their business, like, a startup company, whether to sell the company.
00:42:08.890 --> 00:42:20.240 James Woeber: Or they might have some buyers in mind, and they want to know some background, so you can step into the system of both sides and see what is the hidden intention.
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.960 James Woeber: That's coming from those who you're working with.
00:42:23.080 --> 00:42:30.620 James Woeber: Is this something that has some positive trajectory, or is it something that doesn't serve everyone involved?
00:42:30.630 --> 00:42:39.380 James Woeber: And so forth. And it just gives reflections, for the… for the client of usually things that they know subconsciously anyway.
00:42:39.380 --> 00:42:52.649 James Woeber: I get all the time from business clients, like, yeah, I kind of had that sense. So a lot of it just gives kind of a deeper reflection and more pieces and details with that, which can be very, very helpful.
00:42:52.650 --> 00:43:06.849 James Woeber: When you're making business decisions. So yeah, I do a lot of that work. Maybe because of my business background, and I don't find it dry or boring, I find it juicy and exciting. You know, it's a creative force out in the world.
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.679 James Woeber: So I really love doing that type of work with business as well.
00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:19.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, you know, one thing I always like to give my audience with my show is.
00:43:19.430 --> 00:43:36.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: some tools, some resource, some tip to kind of help people in their day-to-day life, especially in today's world where things are so unstable, so chaotic, there's so much change all happening at once, a lot of people are
00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:47.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: nervous, anxious, you know, unsettled because of it, and I'm just wondering, is there something we can, give to our audience to support them?
00:43:47.900 --> 00:43:53.169 James Woeber: Yeah, I love that. How much time do I have to do that? I want to make sure that I'm respectful of.
00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:56.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm, like, 5 to 7 minutes.
00:43:56.040 --> 00:43:58.310 James Woeber: Oh, okay, great.
00:43:58.470 --> 00:44:08.479 James Woeber: Yeah, so, because I… because the audience is naturally going to have different issues, I'll do something a little bit more general that everyone can apply.
00:44:08.730 --> 00:44:24.979 James Woeber: Yeah, so unless you're driving right now, go ahead, you can close your eyes and breathe into your body, and I'll just take everyone through a guided meditation that I created that kind of combines both the energy healing work and the constellation work as part of it.
00:44:25.190 --> 00:44:33.040 James Woeber: So yeah, you might want to just close your eyes. If you are driving, you can do this later and just kind of think through it.
00:44:33.370 --> 00:44:35.530 James Woeber: And breathe into your body.
00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:49.550 James Woeber: And for starters, just noticing where you're at. We've oftentimes, again, we have very busy lives, there's a lot going on in the world and in our personal lives. So for right now, just very gently.
00:44:50.280 --> 00:45:02.429 James Woeber: Feeling a wave of light, of energy, bathing, whatever is on your mind today, whatever might be creating some angst or stress, and just feeling this light bathing that
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.719 James Woeber: That dynamic in your life.
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:19.329 James Woeber: and breathing into your body and noticing physically what is going on around that dynamic. Do you feel some tightness in the chest? Do you feel, again, like we said, a little bit ungrounded with that? Whatever it is for you.
00:45:19.720 --> 00:45:21.379 James Woeber: Just noticing that.
00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:27.600 James Woeber: And as has been said a couple times, not labeling it as right or wrong.
00:45:29.450 --> 00:45:35.479 James Woeber: But just feeling this container opening up in your body, This container of light.
00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:43.950 James Woeber: That holds space for everything that's going on, physically, emotionally, Mentally, spiritually…
00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:48.249 James Woeber: Around this issue that's showing up for you.
00:45:56.170 --> 00:45:59.740 James Woeber: Just notice, with as little judgment as possible.
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.040 James Woeber: How much you're able to let go.
00:46:05.430 --> 00:46:11.770 James Woeber: And allow this to just be a relax… A relaxed holding.
00:46:13.330 --> 00:46:17.050 James Woeber: Of whatever the pattern is and how it's showing up inside of you.
00:46:17.580 --> 00:46:21.100 James Woeber: If you're tensing up some, that's perfectly okay.
00:46:21.260 --> 00:46:23.409 James Woeber: Have that be okay as well.
00:46:27.940 --> 00:46:34.000 James Woeber: And then as you breathe in, again, with awareness of this issue in your life.
00:46:34.790 --> 00:46:40.319 James Woeber: Imagine yourself feeling behind your right shoulder, your father.
00:46:40.810 --> 00:46:44.629 James Woeber: At whatever distance feels safe and comfortable for you.
00:46:46.270 --> 00:46:52.120 James Woeber: And then behind your left shoulder, Feeling your mother behind you.
00:46:54.770 --> 00:46:59.249 James Woeber: And then behind each of them, in the same order.
00:46:59.470 --> 00:47:05.520 James Woeber: Feel their parents behind them. Father behind the right, mother behind the left shoulder.
00:47:07.020 --> 00:47:10.530 James Woeber: And then the next generation back, same thing.
00:47:11.810 --> 00:47:15.149 James Woeber: And then keep on going back in your lineage.
00:47:15.410 --> 00:47:18.019 James Woeber: Until fanned out behind you.
00:47:18.230 --> 00:47:24.620 James Woeber: You can see and feel… Your entire ancestry behind you.
00:47:25.150 --> 00:47:30.910 James Woeber: With all of their wounding, and their foibles, and their strength, And their love.
00:47:31.120 --> 00:47:33.820 James Woeber: And their pride, and their care for you.
00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:36.389 James Woeber: And they're wanting what's best for you.
00:47:36.520 --> 00:47:38.229 James Woeber: All of the pieces.
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.500 James Woeber: This is what has allowed you to be here today.
00:47:45.830 --> 00:47:48.380 James Woeber: This tremendous gift of life.
00:47:49.230 --> 00:47:51.780 James Woeber: That has been bestowed upon you.
00:47:52.490 --> 00:48:00.550 James Woeber: And even the woundings Our elements that allow us to grow and deepen so we can become more whole.
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.679 James Woeber: And more fully expressed out in life.
00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:08.020 James Woeber: So, as much as possible, allow that light
00:48:08.130 --> 00:48:12.319 James Woeber: To expand out to your ancestry behind you.
00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:16.399 James Woeber: And feel your entire ancestry held.
00:48:16.540 --> 00:48:19.050 James Woeber: In this beautiful container of light.
00:48:22.930 --> 00:48:25.499 James Woeber: And as you breathe in deeply.
00:48:26.700 --> 00:48:35.380 James Woeber: You might imagine yourself relaxed, backward, Into that… The arms of your ancestors.
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.490 James Woeber: That web of light behind you.
00:48:42.700 --> 00:48:47.360 James Woeber: And as you feel that and see the light behind you, you might notice…
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.330 James Woeber: That it feels a bit like a river of light.
00:48:53.230 --> 00:48:55.560 James Woeber: This life force energy.
00:48:55.820 --> 00:48:58.049 James Woeber: That's being passed down
00:48:58.970 --> 00:49:05.279 James Woeber: To us, and then if you happen to have children, down to your own children and beyond.
00:49:06.050 --> 00:49:12.190 James Woeber: And also is being passed on to whatever issue is showing up in your life.
00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:19.220 James Woeber: So whether that's relationship, money, whatever it is for you.
00:49:19.620 --> 00:49:22.509 James Woeber: Just imagine this river of light.
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:31.529 James Woeber: And all of its strength, and all of its love, and all of its insights, Pouring down through you.
00:49:31.940 --> 00:49:35.099 James Woeber: Carrying you so you don't have to do it alone.
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:38.350 James Woeber: Giving you a sense of belonging.
00:49:39.850 --> 00:49:42.839 James Woeber: And then pouring forth through your energy.
00:49:43.050 --> 00:49:45.379 James Woeber: Into whatever the issue is.
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:55.320 James Woeber: And as you breathe in and allow yourself to connect with the issue.
00:49:56.690 --> 00:50:00.179 James Woeber: Notice how your perception might shift.
00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:06.759 James Woeber: Notice how it feels to be present and face-to-face with the issue.
00:50:11.410 --> 00:50:19.340 James Woeber: And again, whether it feels positive, or charged, or contracted, which we might sometimes call negative.
00:50:19.640 --> 00:50:21.949 James Woeber: Just hold it lightly for the moment.
00:50:27.710 --> 00:50:35.759 James Woeber: And then next, as a completion to the exercise, Imagine taking one step forward.
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.050 James Woeber: With this river of light carrying you.
00:50:41.830 --> 00:50:45.820 James Woeber: And notice yourself taking one… taking one step
00:50:46.040 --> 00:50:49.959 James Woeber: one healing movement, as we call it in constellation Work.
00:50:52.530 --> 00:50:54.850 James Woeber: Into this issue that's in your life.
00:50:55.790 --> 00:51:02.949 James Woeber: And just notice, what does the field, what does the universe have to reflect to you right now?
00:51:03.410 --> 00:51:06.830 James Woeber: About your relationship with this issue in your life.
00:51:07.700 --> 00:51:09.810 James Woeber: Might be something very simple.
00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:16.369 James Woeber: Might be just noticing that there's some fear or contraction, just a little bit more awareness.
00:51:16.950 --> 00:51:28.290 James Woeber: Or it might be the right thing to say, or maybe a next step with your business, or something to say in your relationship. Just let it be whatever it is.
00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:33.149 James Woeber: Whatever you notice when you bring this river of light and energy
00:51:33.330 --> 00:51:35.869 James Woeber: Into the dynamic in your life.
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:51.749 James Woeber: And finally, taking a mental snapshot of how it feels to be in this energy of light.
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.670 James Woeber: And whatever insight you might have gotten.
00:51:55.790 --> 00:52:02.439 James Woeber: And then very gently bringing yourself back to the room, back to wherever you're at.
00:52:03.890 --> 00:52:05.600 James Woeber: Feeling your body.
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.330 James Woeber: And then becoming present.
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:20.169 James Woeber: With the podcasts, with our connection with one another.
00:52:32.900 --> 00:52:34.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:52:37.290 --> 00:52:48.499 James Woeber: I oftentimes will start or end workshops with a similar exercise, because it's amazing, first of all, how that can build in us as we do it over and over again.
00:52:48.560 --> 00:53:00.869 James Woeber: But also how, just in getting connected with our ancestors and spirit, rather than feeling like we have to do it ourselves with whatever issue, oftentimes creates a lot of healing with people.
00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:06.480 James Woeber: So… There we go, there's an exercise that you can practice at home if you like.
00:53:07.490 --> 00:53:15.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, for everyone listening, when you download the podcast, you have the audio, it's in there, you can play it back and listen to it as…
00:53:15.470 --> 00:53:18.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Often, as… or as when needed.
00:53:20.630 --> 00:53:26.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, James. Beautiful. Thank you so much for that gift. I'm sure my audience is very happy.
00:53:32.680 --> 00:53:33.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh,
00:53:34.630 --> 00:53:51.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You've got me at a loss for words. So, we don't have a lot of time left. If people want to learn more about you, get in touch with you, where can they find you online? How can they reach out? Do you have anything coming up that you can let our audience know about?
00:53:52.030 --> 00:53:57.250 James Woeber: Great, thank you. Yeah, so I have a website, jameswber.com.
00:53:57.370 --> 00:54:06.620 James Woeber: It's geared a little bit more toward my business, clients, and coaching, but I do lots of trainings and workshops and so forth.
00:54:06.740 --> 00:54:14.259 James Woeber: I've got, I'm going to be doing more of a training of the work that I do, coming up in about a year or so.
00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:28.289 James Woeber: So I'll be doing that if you have an interest. I do regular monthly workshops in San Diego. I'm not doing any remote ones at the moment, but I might be doing that in the near future. But I do monthly workshops in San Diego.
00:54:28.410 --> 00:54:47.330 James Woeber: So if you're local, then you can contact me, james at jameswber.com, and do that. And if you're interested in exploring something with a particular issue, could be personal, could be professional, whatever it might be, I'd be happy to talk with you and walk you through a little bit of what we might be able to do together with that.
00:54:47.410 --> 00:54:52.999 James Woeber: So you can email me, or you can connect with me on the website, and we could go from there.
00:54:53.570 --> 00:55:00.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful, wonderful, and that's James Woeber, James, W-O-E-B-E-R dot com.
00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:02.020 James Woeber: Yes, thank you.
00:55:04.100 --> 00:55:14.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In just the last couple of minutes, what does the future hold for James Woeber? Do you have, any fun projects on the horizon?
00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:27.130 James Woeber: Yeah, well, for the last 5 years, I've done a number of trainings that combine these systems together. So we did the Energy Healing School for years, and we had Constellation Work as part of that.
00:55:27.130 --> 00:55:37.060 James Woeber: But I find it such a potent combination. I want to train other trainers, coaches, leaders in their fields to use this and what they bring out into the world.
00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:53.819 James Woeber: So I'm very excited about that. And then also, Sam, you and I have talked quite a bit about Tantra work and so forth, so that's another thing that I'm opening to right now. I've done a lot of that on the personal level, and done that with clients and so forth.
00:55:53.820 --> 00:56:04.080 James Woeber: But I'd like to do some workshops that very specifically focus on sexuality in the broader context, our life force energy, our creative force in the world.
00:56:04.520 --> 00:56:16.259 James Woeber: And sexuality and our hang-ups, and there's so much wounding and trauma influencing that, that there's just so much potential for healing, and how that can change.
00:56:16.310 --> 00:56:29.370 James Woeber: so many aspects of our lives. So, probably in September in San Diego, the September workshop is going to be one focusing on healing sexuality and dynamics associated with that.
00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:41.660 James Woeber: So, yeah, I can't wait to do that. It's a very potent field. Almost everybody has wounding and healing that can be done around sexuality. So, yeah, I'm excited about doing that.
00:56:42.170 --> 00:57:00.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very cool, very cool. Well, James, I really appreciate you, I really appreciate you stepping in last minute for my guest who canceled on me last minute. I so appreciate the work you do, and just who you are as a person, so thank you for taking the time to come on my show today.
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:05.640 James Woeber: Same here. Always great just spending time with you and being able to talk and connect.
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.219 James Woeber: Your true brother, and
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.039 James Woeber: Wishing you the very best. Thanks for bringing me on.
00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:13.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you. Thank you so much.
00:57:13.390 --> 00:57:33.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners who tune in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on TalkRadio.nyc and on all over social media, on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Twitch.
00:57:33.010 --> 00:57:40.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As well as on your favorite podcasting platform, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, wherever you listen to podcasts.
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:55.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You can find the Conscious Consultant Hour. And please, don't keep us a secret. If you really got something special out of this episode, please share it with your friends, colleagues, family. Maybe there's something that they can gain from this as well.
00:57:55.630 --> 00:58:00.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in. Take care, we will talk to you all next week.
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