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EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Robert Weisz, Ph.D., retired clinical psychologist, consultant, and trainer whose fifty years of practice have moved fluidly across the worlds of Ericksonian hypnosis, shamanic healing, mindfulness, and nondual wisdom.
Robert is co-author of the newly released Mindfulness-Based Somatic Emotional Processing: A Guide for Patients and Therapists. He has taught through Southwestern College, the University of New Mexico School of Medicine, Webster University, the University of Wyoming, and New Mexico Highlands University, and served as co-founder and director of the Milton Erickson Institute for Clinical Hypnosis and Behavioral Sciences of New Mexico for forty years.
Robert's path into this work began well before his career did. Born in Lima, Peru, in 1944 to German-Jewish parents who had fled the Holocaust, he spent his early years moving through Peru, Bolivia, and Chile before immigrating to the United States at thirteen. That early experience of exile and adaptation seeded a lifelong curiosity about the human mind and the resilience of the spirit. His doctoral research in sleep and dreams gave way to decades of clinical practice, community mental health work, and a deep involvement with Ericksonian hypnotherapy. Alongside all of this, drawn by the healing potential of altered states, he spent thirty years studying with shamans and healers in Peru, Ecuador, Brazil, and the United States, letting that ancient knowledge shape and inform his clinical understanding.
Together, Sam and Robert explore what it means to help people heal at the meeting place of body, mind, and spirit. They discuss the somatic wisdom the body carries long after the thinking mind has moved on, the emotional patterns that live beneath cognition, and the mindful presence that allows what is held to finally be released. Drawing on Robert's new book, they look at how mindfulness-based somatic emotional processing offers patients and therapists a grounded, integrative path into deep healing. This episode is an invitation to trust the intelligence of the body, to soften into what wants to be known, and to remember that healing rarely happens through the mind alone.
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This episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour opens with Sam Liebowitz reading his blog post "True Rest Comes When We Do Nothing," which distinguishes true rest—letting go of all doing and simply being present without expectation—from busy travel and vacations that leave us needing "a vacation from our vacation," urging listeners to release productivity-driven conditioning and give themselves permission to simply exist. Sam then welcomes Dr. Roberto Weisz, an 82-year-old retired clinical psychologist and co-author of Mindfulness-Based Somatic Emotional Processing, whose early life as the child of Holocaust refugees in South America and decades studying shamanic healing shaped his belief that we are fundamentally emotional beings whose culture trains us to think our way through feelings instead of honoring them. Roberto explains that emotions live in the body while the mind tends to wrap them in judgmental stories, and that true healing comes through mindful, non-judgmental witnessing of bodily sensation—an open, curious attention that allows trapped emotional energy to move, shift, and ultimately release, deepening self-understanding without requiring any clinical training.
Segment 2
This second segment continues the conversation as Roberto walks through how to actually guide someone into this work, especially those who've suppressed emotions for survival: rather than struggling with feelings or getting lost in the mental story around them, he gently and repeatedly redirects attention back to direct bodily sensation—tension in the chest, a tight jaw, shallow breath—since simple, concrete physical noticing (paired with slower breathing) regulates the nervous system in a way mental problem-solving never can. He draws a beautiful parallel between this mindfulness approach and shamanic traditions from his South American upbringing, noting both aim to reconnect people from abstract mental distress back to direct, sensory experience of the natural and embodied world. Roberto closes by emphasizing that emotions aren't "positive" or "negative"—they're simply energies to be met rather than fixed—and that learning to be fully present with them cultivates a more honest, authentic relationship with ourselves and, in turn, with everyone we love; listeners can find his and co-author Daniel Blackwood's book and trainings at mbsep.com.
00:00:45.430 --> 00:01:10.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Good morning, good evening, wherever you're tuning in from. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another fascinating show with an amazing guest, an author I'm really looking forward to
00:01:10.540 --> 00:01:23.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: bringing on the show, but first, of course, we have our blog post from a couple years ago, and this one, I think, is a rather apropos for this time of year.
00:01:24.050 --> 00:01:31.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the title of this blog post is, True Rest Comes When We Do Nothing.
00:01:32.820 --> 00:01:36.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We often think we need a vacation to rest.
00:01:36.600 --> 00:01:40.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To get away from the familiar is what we all want.
00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So we take a trip and run around, seeing all we can see.
00:01:46.260 --> 00:01:50.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes we come back more tired than we left.
00:01:51.080 --> 00:01:59.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: With the limited time we give ourselves not to not work, we push ourselves to get the most out of it.
00:01:59.830 --> 00:02:06.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Getting up early each day to see another attraction, another location, another site.
00:02:07.440 --> 00:02:13.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: While going away and seeing the beauty of the world is a wonderful thing to do.
00:02:14.410 --> 00:02:17.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It should not be mistaken for rest.
00:02:18.450 --> 00:02:25.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Travel is a great pastime to expand our horizons and make wonderful new memories.
00:02:25.790 --> 00:02:28.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet travel is work, not rest.
00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:34.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is another activity we do that fills up our days.
00:02:35.290 --> 00:02:38.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, it is usually enjoyable.
00:02:38.660 --> 00:02:41.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet rest is something else.
00:02:42.350 --> 00:02:50.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we have been working for a long time, and our brains and our bodies need a break, Something…
00:02:51.070 --> 00:02:56.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes what we really need is true rest.
00:02:57.420 --> 00:03:00.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For rest is not about doing something.
00:03:00.630 --> 00:03:03.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not about going somewhere else.
00:03:04.350 --> 00:03:08.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it is not about stressing ourselves to have a good time.
00:03:09.640 --> 00:03:10.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Rest.
00:03:10.930 --> 00:03:13.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is taking a break.
00:03:14.820 --> 00:03:17.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Taking a break from our day-to-day life.
00:03:18.250 --> 00:03:23.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or letting go of the need to accomplish or do anything.
00:03:24.070 --> 00:03:30.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we truly rest, We gives our… we give ourselves a chance.
00:03:30.530 --> 00:03:32.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To reconnect with ourselves.
00:03:33.590 --> 00:03:35.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just… be.
00:03:37.290 --> 00:03:40.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Without putting any expectation on ourselves.
00:03:41.750 --> 00:03:42.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Rest.
00:03:42.860 --> 00:03:47.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is about truly letting go of all that we think.
00:03:47.480 --> 00:03:49.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We have to do.
00:03:49.740 --> 00:03:51.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to just exist.
00:03:51.780 --> 00:03:55.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Without the need to get anything done.
00:03:57.410 --> 00:04:04.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This does not mean that there's not great value in taking a trip or going to someplace new.
00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:08.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But let us not mistake.
00:04:08.600 --> 00:04:11.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That… For truly getting rest.
00:04:12.820 --> 00:04:16.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For allowing ourselves to just be.
00:04:17.620 --> 00:04:19.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Been giving space.
00:04:19.870 --> 00:04:22.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All that we feel.
00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Doing nothing, but allowing ourselves to breathe.
00:04:28.620 --> 00:04:31.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And take time to do nothing.
00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:37.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Restoration and rejuvenation only recur.
00:04:37.670 --> 00:04:40.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we truly rest.
00:04:41.630 --> 00:04:44.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So why do we resist it?
00:04:45.010 --> 00:04:46.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So much.
00:04:49.170 --> 00:04:56.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, I wrote this blog post a couple of years ago after my wife and I came back from a trip.
00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:58.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And,
00:04:59.260 --> 00:05:06.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, when we came back, you know, people would ask us, oh, did you take a tour? Did you go see this? Did you go see that?
00:05:06.790 --> 00:05:14.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… When we go away and we take a vacation, we do it in a really relaxed manner, like
00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:23.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We don't want to get up early. We don't want to rush around and do too much and, and, and, and, you know, overwork ourselves.
00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:28.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because there's so much to do here in New York City.
00:05:29.250 --> 00:05:41.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, we don't need to run around and go crazy when we're on vacation. As a matter of fact, that makes the vacation the exact opposite of what we're really looking for.
00:05:41.900 --> 00:05:46.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, and it was quite interesting, because I see it so much.
00:05:46.230 --> 00:05:47.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it… it…
00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:47.830 Roberto Weisz: Excuse.
00:05:47.830 --> 00:05:51.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That when people have a vacation, when people go away.
00:05:51.590 --> 00:05:57.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They, like, so have to cram everything in and see every site.
00:05:57.930 --> 00:06:10.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And our attitude is kind of, well, if we really enjoy the place, if we really love it, and we want to see some of the things that we missed, we can always come back.
00:06:11.660 --> 00:06:16.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, we don't have to see everything the first time we're there.
00:06:16.970 --> 00:06:20.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, for me, it's kind of like a scouting trip.
00:06:22.700 --> 00:06:23.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And…
00:06:24.150 --> 00:06:30.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I remember, like, talking to some clients about, you know, oh, did, did, did you get some rest?
00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:41.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Over the summer or something, like, oh yeah, we went here, and we saw this, and we saw that, and we saw that, and we saw that, and it's like, that sounds like a lot of activity, but did you get any actual rest?
00:06:42.170 --> 00:06:42.710 Roberto Weisz: Okay.
00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:44.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And yeah.
00:06:44.450 --> 00:06:49.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It just, it, it, it really surprises me how much.
00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our mindset around doing.
00:06:53.860 --> 00:06:56.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: infiltrates everything.
00:06:57.610 --> 00:06:59.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that the idea of rest.
00:07:01.080 --> 00:07:05.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, not sleeping, but just resting, just.
00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:12.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Being with yourself, just… Breathing just just just lying on the sofa or on the.
00:07:12.820 --> 00:07:14.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sandy Beach.
00:07:14.970 --> 00:07:20.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And just, just looking around and just taking in everything that's around us.
00:07:23.130 --> 00:07:26.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: without having to do anything. That's what rest is.
00:07:29.350 --> 00:07:39.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, sure, sometimes, especially if you have families and kids, you don't get enough sleep normally, so sleep tends to be rest.
00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But rest is so much more than sleep.
00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:53.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And going away… Does not have to be about activity after activity after activity.
00:07:57.260 --> 00:08:03.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, of course, if, if you feel like this is a once in a lifetime trip and you don't think you'll ever be back.
00:08:04.930 --> 00:08:10.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you really want to see, you know, as much of it as you can. I get that. I understand that.
00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:16.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But that's a trip. That's not necessarily a vacation.
00:08:17.470 --> 00:08:20.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there have been many times throughout my life.
00:08:21.140 --> 00:08:26.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where I thought I was going on a vacation, but what I was really doing was going on a trip.
00:08:29.340 --> 00:08:34.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, you know, I kind of wrote this blog post just to
00:08:34.460 --> 00:08:38.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Remind people, especially around this time of year.
00:08:41.530 --> 00:08:45.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But there's a real distinction between activity and rest.
00:08:47.160 --> 00:08:50.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And regardless of whether that activity is around work.
00:08:50.850 --> 00:08:54.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or around travel, it's still activity.
00:08:56.250 --> 00:09:05.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, I cannot tell you how many times I've come back from a trip, and it was like, I need a vacation from my vacation.
00:09:06.760 --> 00:09:09.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm sure many of you can relate.
00:09:10.830 --> 00:09:16.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… This… this blog post is really just a call.
00:09:17.280 --> 00:09:24.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To adding a little more space into our trips, a little more space into our vacations.
00:09:24.650 --> 00:09:26.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's just relax.
00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:33.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just not feel like you have to accomplish anything.
00:09:33.790 --> 00:09:36.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: While you're taking a break from work.
00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:45.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That actually… Sometimes the best thing we can do is nothing.
00:09:47.140 --> 00:09:50.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But doing nothing is really, really hard for us.
00:09:51.050 --> 00:09:53.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're so programmed.
00:09:53.630 --> 00:09:59.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Into this idea of productivity, and that we have to make the most of every minute of life.
00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:06.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That it really… hurts us.
00:10:06.280 --> 00:10:08.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In our ability to rest.
00:10:10.710 --> 00:10:19.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, I guess you could say this is my call to drop all of those expectations.
00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:22.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when you need to rest.
00:10:22.330 --> 00:10:25.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just take the time.
00:10:25.450 --> 00:10:26.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To rest.
00:10:27.540 --> 00:10:29.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Your body will thank you.
00:10:31.090 --> 00:10:45.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's my blog post. It is entitled, True Rest Comes When We Do Nothing. And of course, you can always find my blog on my personally branded website of The
00:10:45.170 --> 00:10:54.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: conscious consultant.com and on the radio station's website at talkradio.nyc slash law.
00:10:54.940 --> 00:11:12.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Dr. Roberto Weiss, retired clinical psychologist, consultant, and trainer whose 50 years of practice have moved fluidly across the world's
00:11:12.020 --> 00:11:18.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of Ericksonian hypnosis, shamanic healing, mindfulness, and non-dual wisdom.
00:11:18.740 --> 00:11:28.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Roberto is the co-author of the newly released Mindfulness-Based Somatic Emotional Processing, a guide for patients and therapists.
00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:44.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He has taught through Southwestern College, the University of New Mexico School of Medicine, Webster University, the University of Wyoming, New Mexico Highlands University, and served as co-founder and director of the Milton
00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:52.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Erickson Institute for Clinical Hypnosis and Behavioral Sciences of New Mexico for 40 years.
00:11:53.050 --> 00:12:00.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Roberto's path in this work began well before his career did. Born in Lima, Peru, to,
00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:11.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: German-Jewish parents who had fled the Holocaust. He spent his early years moving through Peru, Bolivia, and Chile before migrating to the United States.
00:12:11.870 --> 00:12:27.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That early experience of exile and adaptation seeded a lifelong curiosity about the human mind and the resilience of the spirit. His doctoral research in sleep and dreams gave way to decades of clinical practice
00:12:27.540 --> 00:12:33.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: community mental health work, and a deep involvement with Ericksonian hypnotherapy.
00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:52.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alongside all of this, drawn by the healing potential of altered states, he spent 30 years studying with shamans and healers in Peru, Ecuador, Brazil, and the United States, letting that knowledge, ancient knowledge, shape and inform his clinical understanding
00:12:52.860 --> 00:12:55.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the conscious consult. Now, Roberto.
00:12:56.620 --> 00:13:06.830 Roberto Weisz: I'm very happy to be here, hoping we can have a really interesting conversation about important things that your listeners will be interested in.
00:13:07.060 --> 00:13:22.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. And I'm just… because this idea of somatic healing and a mindfulness-based approach to somatic healing is something I'm really curious about.
00:13:22.130 --> 00:13:36.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I just really want to touch upon the fact that, you know, you spent your early life in South America, in different countries, different cultures, cultures that are much closer to the
00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:53.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: indigenous roots, than we are here in the United States. Yes. And I'm just wondering, what about that whole experience really, helped you to decide to go on this path of
00:13:53.010 --> 00:14:01.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Learning to become a therapist, a clinician, and work with people on their healing path.
00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:17.590 Roberto Weisz: Well, you know, life experience is our most powerful teacher. So, obviously my experiences have shaped the way that I have chosen to meet life, and to, you know, engage in things that,
00:14:17.750 --> 00:14:26.230 Roberto Weisz: I feel deeply are, essential To healthy and productive and.
00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.370 Roberto Weisz: Kind human living.
00:14:29.680 --> 00:14:30.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:14:30.570 --> 00:14:35.730 Roberto Weisz: And life offers up so many challenges, no matter where you are, where you live.
00:14:35.900 --> 00:14:50.009 Roberto Weisz: And who your parents are. And, you know, it's the challenges of life that cause us to have to learn how to deal with those challenges. But at a deeper level, they also kind of shape the way that we see life and relate to life.
00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:51.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:14:51.000 --> 00:15:03.110 Roberto Weisz: So, you know, in my own life, I was deeply affected by the trauma that my parents suffered, having had to leave Germany as Jews, and losing most of their families to the Nazis.
00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:03.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:15:03.710 --> 00:15:17.949 Roberto Weisz: So that was somehow passed on to me. And in some way, it kind of created a curiosity and a responsibility around how to deal with the fact that human life is really quite challenging.
00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:29.049 Roberto Weisz: There's a lot of pain and loss and change in it, and you know, we are given certain capacities, just genetically and physically.
00:15:29.050 --> 00:15:39.629 Roberto Weisz: But our consciousness has to grow according to the experiences that it meets and how it responds to those experiences.
00:15:39.990 --> 00:15:44.500 Roberto Weisz: And so my consciousness, sort of, you know.
00:15:44.680 --> 00:15:54.850 Roberto Weisz: Was very interested in what is the healing process? How do people heal from trauma, from loss, from pain, from all of the, you know, the hazards of human life?
00:15:55.040 --> 00:16:12.959 Roberto Weisz: And in my training as a clinical psychologist, I got all of this knowledge about pathology and diagnosis and modes of therapy and all of that. But there was something missing for me.
00:16:13.170 --> 00:16:25.049 Roberto Weisz: And that was that all of this training really did not mention anything about the fact that we humans are fundamentally emotional beings, and that our experience is therefore emotional.
00:16:25.070 --> 00:16:44.879 Roberto Weisz: And that any efforts to change the way we deal with life have to have an emotional basis in order to deal with the emotional patterns that get developed around trauma, loss, having to succeed, competitive society, all of the things that happen to us that are really
00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:46.460 Roberto Weisz: Very challenging.
00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:49.109 Roberto Weisz: Human life is a very challenging endeavor.
00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:55.989 Roberto Weisz: And, for me, it just became more and more clear that we are fundamentally emotional beings.
00:16:56.730 --> 00:17:10.849 Roberto Weisz: Emotions are the life forces that drive, shape, define, limit, expand, enable our behavior.
00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:11.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmh.
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:19.350 Roberto Weisz: And we haven't really been taught very much about that side of our nature, which is really kind of strange.
00:17:19.470 --> 00:17:23.789 Roberto Weisz: Yeah. You know, we're taught to be effective and successful and think.
00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:35.980 Roberto Weisz: you know, in ways that are productive and cause us to succeed and avoid problems and all of that, and this is a very problem-solving kind of orientation, which is very mental, which is okay. We have this formidable
00:17:36.100 --> 00:17:51.189 Roberto Weisz: human mind that has these very amazing capacities to solve problems, to learn, to, you know, to analyze, to develop new techniques, to be scientifically adept, and to solve problems.
00:17:51.920 --> 00:18:07.539 Roberto Weisz: And we are not really given very much basic teaching and knowledge around the fact that our emotions are the fundamental energies that drive, define, and empower our behavior.
00:18:07.540 --> 00:18:08.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmhm.
00:18:08.230 --> 00:18:27.169 Roberto Weisz: So I just began to get interested in that because I realized I wasn't really trained around the fact that we're emotional beings. And I started to look at my own emotions. And I've gone through, and I'm 82 years old now, so in the space of this human life, I've gone through a lot of challenges.
00:18:27.550 --> 00:18:31.709 Roberto Weisz: And in those challenges, there were a lot of powerful emotions involved.
00:18:32.050 --> 00:18:48.629 Roberto Weisz: And I found myself just struggling to somehow meet these emotions, deal with these emotions, get past these emotions. And I wasn't… I found I wasn't very well trained. I just had to kind of find my own way. But I was very lucky to work with a really fine therapist.
00:18:49.550 --> 00:18:51.879 Roberto Weisz: Her name was Bonnie Badenoch.
00:18:51.990 --> 00:19:02.289 Roberto Weisz: And in the work with her, I really began to recognize how my emotions needed
00:19:02.470 --> 00:19:15.400 Roberto Weisz: to be given some kind of support so that they could move through me in a way that helped me to release pain and trauma, and to accept new information, and to be open to new experiences.
00:19:15.770 --> 00:19:30.889 Roberto Weisz: And… and so I started to really look at, well, you know, what… what is… what are these emotions? They're really fundamental life energies. They shape our experience, internally, externally. They drive our behavior. They, they create…
00:19:30.890 --> 00:19:36.679 Roberto Weisz: You know, incredible loads of trauma that can paralyze or really impair the human functioning.
00:19:37.410 --> 00:19:44.979 Roberto Weisz: And so I really began to more carefully look at, okay, you know, how can we meet emotions?
00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.979 Roberto Weisz: Instead of trying to solve them or push them away or fix them.
00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:53.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what you're talking about is a very sort of body.
00:19:53.320 --> 00:20:10.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: sort of approach to feeling what we feel. I think most people out there, when they think in terms of therapy, they think in terms of talk therapy, CBT, you know, again, very cognitive. But, you know, given my wife's a therapist, and she's a somatic therapist, I know that there's
00:20:10.740 --> 00:20:29.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more recent — in the recent, I mean, the last 10, 20 years — has been much more towards a much more body-centered approach to healing and a much more emphasis on sort of the nervous system and the somatic side of this.
00:20:29.710 --> 00:20:30.440 Roberto Weisz: Yes.
00:20:30.970 --> 00:20:44.049 Roberto Weisz: Well, you know, just consider that a fundamental piece of information that most people don't recognize is we experience emotions in the body. We think about them in the mind.
00:20:44.050 --> 00:21:02.699 Roberto Weisz: But we have been trained powerfully to give the highest attention and priority to the way we think, not to the way we feel. So it's not surprising that we try to think our way through our feelings. Why do I feel this way? What's wrong with me? What did I do wrong? Who's to blame?
00:21:02.930 --> 00:21:07.469 Roberto Weisz: why did I get myself into the situation in the first place?
00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:07.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:21:07.860 --> 00:21:25.450 Roberto Weisz: We have been so powerfully conditioned to think and problem solve and mentally find solutions to our challenges. And at some level, you have to create a financial plan. This really effective mental mind is really capable of doing that.
00:21:25.450 --> 00:21:26.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:21:26.470 --> 00:21:33.040 Roberto Weisz: But… We have been taught to somehow mentally work with our emotions.
00:21:33.490 --> 00:21:34.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmh.
00:21:34.020 --> 00:21:38.159 Roberto Weisz: There are some really powerful limitations to that because we do not have control.
00:21:38.420 --> 00:21:39.960 Roberto Weisz: Over our emotions.
00:21:40.170 --> 00:21:45.919 Roberto Weisz: But we are taught that we're supposed to have them. If we can't control our emotions, we can't succeed.
00:21:46.110 --> 00:21:56.529 Roberto Weisz: If you want to be effective, women get a lot of this, in professional life, you have to stash your emotions in a locker over there so they won't be interfering with your functioning.
00:21:56.850 --> 00:22:03.719 Roberto Weisz: And that kind of information is really misleading and dangerous, because we are emotional beings, but
00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:16.009 Roberto Weisz: We don't have the capacity to mentally fix or, you know, direct or deal with our emotions. But we're supposed to do that anyway.
00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:16.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:24.590 Roberto Weisz: So coming back then to this fundamental reality that we actually experience emotions, feelings are felt in the body.
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:25.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:22:25.420 --> 00:22:38.370 Roberto Weisz: The mind comes in and creates a story about it. I'm feeling this way because so-and-so did that to me, and they have history of that, and the whole… the situation is stacked against me, and blah blah blah, and it goes on and on and on.
00:22:38.570 --> 00:22:44.109 Roberto Weisz: But if we just begin to bring attention to our emotional experience where it's happening.
00:22:44.230 --> 00:22:58.090 Roberto Weisz: That's the mindfulness part. And mindfulness is a very particular quality of attention that allows us to be present with, to witness, to really notice and be receptive to what's happening
00:22:58.090 --> 00:23:11.160 Roberto Weisz: in the absence of efforts to judge or fix or evaluate or analyze. So, that's the mindfulness piece. It's really a really clean and open and receptive mode of attention.
00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:23.340 Roberto Weisz: But we're not taught very well how to do that. We're taught to fix our attention on how to solve problems, and how to make things happen, or how to learn quickly, or how to impress people and be successful.
00:23:23.590 --> 00:23:24.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right.
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:34.419 Roberto Weisz: So this is a, you know, this is a new kind of orientation. The territory of emotions is the body, so let's meet them where they're happening.
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:40.660 Roberto Weisz: That's what this work is about. That's why it's called mindfulness-based somatic emotional processing.
00:23:40.870 --> 00:23:50.729 Roberto Weisz: And it's not that, you know, the mind isn't some way involved. In witnessing, the mind is involved in being curious and open and receptive.
00:23:50.850 --> 00:23:52.850 Roberto Weisz: That's a very specific…
00:23:53.010 --> 00:24:03.450 Roberto Weisz: you know, focus that, with a little bit of training, we can get really good at, but we don't get training in that kind of focus. Our training is to focus the mind on making things happen.
00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:22.340 Roberto Weisz: Not to witness, but witnessing is a really powerful and important function in human experience. When we're really present with something, whether it's with a Van Gogh painting or a sunset or a beautiful flower, and we simply are open and curious and receptive.
00:24:22.580 --> 00:24:24.690 Roberto Weisz: To what we see.
00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:25.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you.
00:24:25.490 --> 00:24:26.499 Roberto Weisz: And to happen.
00:24:26.750 --> 00:24:27.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmh.
00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:28.960 Roberto Weisz: So attention.
00:24:29.470 --> 00:24:32.789 Roberto Weisz: Is a way in which we focus energy.
00:24:33.490 --> 00:24:37.540 Roberto Weisz: On what we're what we're focusing on.
00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:42.130 Roberto Weisz: So if I'm noticing how I feel this pain in my heart.
00:24:42.690 --> 00:24:46.379 Roberto Weisz: Because of what I feel is happening in Gaza to all those people.
00:24:46.580 --> 00:24:47.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmh.
00:24:47.020 --> 00:24:51.069 Roberto Weisz: If I focus on the pain in my heart and simply notice that pain.
00:24:51.460 --> 00:25:03.959 Roberto Weisz: and start breathing more slowly and deeply, and just stay with my awareness of that particular pain in my heart. My heart, it begins to move, it begins to change, it begins to show me something about itself.
00:25:04.060 --> 00:25:12.059 Roberto Weisz: And that's the… that's what we mean about the somatic part. The emotions are happening in the body. If we pay attention to how…
00:25:12.290 --> 00:25:17.509 Roberto Weisz: They're happening in the body, non-critically, just with a curious, open kind of receptivity.
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:37.450 Roberto Weisz: That is moving some energy through the nervous system in a way that supports some kind of an inherent intrinsic capacity for what I call somatic processing. It's not that the mind is not involved, but the processing is based on our attention on where the emotions are being experienced in the body.
00:25:37.810 --> 00:25:43.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. And really, I want to kind of emphasize one point that you've mentioned is that
00:25:44.410 --> 00:25:50.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: there's sort of a couple of aspects to it. So the first is, there's the actual feeling or emotion.
00:25:50.910 --> 00:25:56.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But then what we as human beings do is we create all these stories around it.
00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:56.900 Roberto Weisz: Exactly.
00:25:56.900 --> 00:26:01.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And those stories make it almost more challenging.
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:19.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to kind of be present to the emotions, because the stories cause us to feel like it's our fault, or all these, you know, any… a million and one different interpretations. Instead of sort of putting the story on the side, and what you're talking about is
00:26:19.560 --> 00:26:22.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just being present to.
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:38.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this is what I'm feeling right now, not why I'm feeling it, not, you know, this is because my parents abused me when I was a kid, or so-and-so did this to me, but this is just what I'm feeling in my body right now, in this moment, and just paying attention to that.
00:26:39.370 --> 00:26:51.460 Roberto Weisz: Exactly. And interestingly enough, and this can be experientially verified every time we do this, when we do that, we can begin to notice that things are beginning to move inside.
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.280 Roberto Weisz: Not in terms of the mind's activity, but in terms of the body's experience.
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.779 Roberto Weisz: We're seeing that our focus of attention on how we're feeling, what we're feeling.
00:27:02.930 --> 00:27:06.699 Roberto Weisz: It's beginning to cause some changes in the way we're feeling it.
00:27:07.270 --> 00:27:07.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:27:07.750 --> 00:27:14.569 Roberto Weisz: And that's the verification that this kind of attention does begin to move emotional energy in a very interesting way.
00:27:14.570 --> 00:27:37.500 Roberto Weisz: that eventually allows the body to somehow digest that emotional experience. Digesting is kind of a metaphor, but it processes it in some intrinsic way, and it begins to move, and eventually it begins to release. And what we can do is we can actually witness that happening as a physical event, a series of physical events that are in the body. So this is a very engaging process because
00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:42.819 Roberto Weisz: We begin to actually notice that something is beginning to change, something is beginning to move.
00:27:42.900 --> 00:28:00.609 Roberto Weisz: But we want to stay away from why is it doing that and what is it going to give to me. We just stay present in that witnessing focus so that we're just noticing and in that noticing we're open and receptive and in that noticing we're moving energy through the body because where attention goes, energy goes.
00:28:00.610 --> 00:28:01.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: M.
00:28:01.690 --> 00:28:15.689 Roberto Weisz: And as we're moving that body, something begins to happen that keeps changing, the sensations keep changing, sometimes the sensations move to another part of the body, and then often people start noticing, I can feel something moving down my legs.
00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:16.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:25.330 Roberto Weisz: It's almost like the body is actually releasing that emotional energy that we've been trying to solve with all this mental activity, but doesn't go away.
00:28:25.330 --> 00:28:25.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No window.
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:31.440 Roberto Weisz: We may meet it with our attention in the body. This kind of processing processing.
00:28:32.170 --> 00:28:38.859 Roberto Weisz: Intrinsically, It's just… spontaneously begins to happen.
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:57.530 Roberto Weisz: And when we stay connected to what that weather is doing, which is actually very engaging, we can feel the energy moving around, it changes, sometimes it moves to another part of the body, then it begins to in some way release, and then when the energy has been released, our relationship to that emotional experience is different.
00:28:57.710 --> 00:29:03.589 Roberto Weisz: It is not as charged as it was, so we can actually see more clearly what actually happened.
00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:14.030 Roberto Weisz: And when we can see more clearly what actually happened, there is some really important learning that comes to us out of that experience, because we're learning from our own experience and witnessing our experience.
00:29:15.050 --> 00:29:25.289 Roberto Weisz: more clearly understanding what was really going on, and what that tells me about the part that I played in that experience, and then that begins to help me to know myself better.
00:29:25.540 --> 00:29:34.499 Roberto Weisz: Because I'm approaching my experience in a different way, and my experience is teaching me, rather than my mental desire to solve the problem is teaching me.
00:29:34.760 --> 00:29:45.380 Roberto Weisz: It's just a very different approach, but it's actually very simple and very productive, and anybody who's interested in doing it can do it. You don't need to have a degree in psychology to do this work.
00:29:45.770 --> 00:29:55.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, right. Which is why your book is for both patients and therapists. It's not just a clinical book, but it's a book for just everyday people.
00:29:55.590 --> 00:29:56.540 Roberto Weisz: Exactly.
00:29:56.540 --> 00:30:04.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, I do have a couple of questions about how people who.
00:30:04.130 --> 00:30:21.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: have… have had very challenging experiences in the past, that it can be a little bit difficult for them, and how to kind of deal with that, and then maybe we'll… we'll give our audience some… some tools, some… some practices to… to help them to just dip the toe in the water, at least. Okay?
00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:22.060 Roberto Weisz: Okay.
00:30:22.270 --> 00:30:23.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right, wonderful.
00:30:23.860 --> 00:30:42.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on talkradio.nyc and all over social media. And we'll be right back with our guest, Dr. Roberto Weiss, in just a moment.
00:31:56.510 --> 00:32:03.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consult Now Awakening Humanity. So, Roberto.
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:11.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, I've had the experience of working with clients in the past, not as a therapist, but just as a coach or a guide.
00:32:11.610 --> 00:32:12.350 Roberto Weisz: Mmhm.
00:32:12.350 --> 00:32:13.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where.
00:32:14.350 --> 00:32:19.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They… the client had been, let's say, suppressing
00:32:19.970 --> 00:32:25.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Some really challenging emotions and feelings most of their life.
00:32:25.590 --> 00:32:40.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just to survive, just to be able to function in the day-to-day world. And the idea of even just being present to what they're feeling is a very, very scary
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Prospect for them.
00:32:42.620 --> 00:32:49.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, so when somebody has, has absolutely no experience being mindful or being present.
00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:55.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how do you recommend someone just start? Like, how do you just begin to dip your toe in the water?
00:32:57.060 --> 00:33:05.540 Roberto Weisz: Well, you know, it's not very difficult. It's really a matter of… how we focus our attention.
00:33:05.970 --> 00:33:19.590 Roberto Weisz: And when people struggle with their emotions, they're focusing their attention on somehow trying to make the emotion go away, or, you know, stop bothering them. And all of those efforts are…
00:33:19.590 --> 00:33:33.110 Roberto Weisz: So the struggling against emotions tends to increase the level of anxiety about what's happening because the struggle is not succeeding. And so we are getting the feedback, we're losing ground, this isn't working, I'm failing.
00:33:33.110 --> 00:33:33.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: failing.
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:37.180 Roberto Weisz: But we're so powerfully trained to struggle.
00:33:37.290 --> 00:33:50.039 Roberto Weisz: To make, you know, difficult experiences go away, but they don't go away when we struggle, that's the simple truth. So instead of, you know, that's something that we can present to that person, let's just try doing something different.
00:33:50.300 --> 00:33:57.510 Roberto Weisz: Can you begin to notice how you are feeling, what you're talking about, how you're feeling that in your body right now?
00:33:58.080 --> 00:34:02.559 Roberto Weisz: And some people might be able to say, well, yeah, I feel tension in my chest, it's hard.
00:34:02.560 --> 00:34:02.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for me.
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.440 Roberto Weisz: I breathe and my throat feels tight.
00:34:07.620 --> 00:34:20.300 Roberto Weisz: And some people might not be able to notice that, so in that case, you could just direct their attention. I notice that your breathing is really shallow, and there's some tension in your jaw. Can you begin to recognize that?
00:34:20.570 --> 00:34:34.359 Roberto Weisz: So yeah, there's a very simple process of simply redirecting attention, focusing attention on something that's really obvious, and then supporting the client's attention on that experience. So it's not very complicated.
00:34:34.790 --> 00:34:40.870 Roberto Weisz: And when people just begin to do that, we're shifting the way that they're trying to deal with their
00:34:40.989 --> 00:34:43.730 Roberto Weisz: their agitation or their upset or whatever it is.
00:34:43.730 --> 00:34:44.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:53.899 Roberto Weisz: And, but we're accepting, you know, there's something going on there that's clearly emotional. Let's see how you, what you can notice about how you're feeling that in your body.
00:34:54.459 --> 00:35:00.769 Roberto Weisz: And if, when they say that, if they can locate it, and if they can't, we can help them to locate it.
00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:12.659 Roberto Weisz: Just begin to notice what's happening as you continue to just focus on that pain in your chest and just breathe a little bit more slowly and deeply. That's basically the approach.
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:23.749 Roberto Weisz: And when people begin to notice things, we just support that, yeah, you know, that, that tightness in your chest is now beginning to feel more,
00:35:23.749 --> 00:35:42.139 Roberto Weisz: More heavy or it's vibrating or it's moving to your shoulders. Okay, if it's moving to your shoulders, just keep on noticing how you're noticing that experience in your shoulders. I can see that they're pretty tense. Can you notice how tense they are?
00:35:42.140 --> 00:35:43.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:35:43.100 --> 00:35:57.450 Roberto Weisz: And we just maintain that focus on the body's experience of emotion. And as we do that, we are, number one, taking the person out of their struggle into a different focus, which is just noticing instead of trying to push it away.
00:35:58.040 --> 00:35:58.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, okay.
00:35:58.630 --> 00:35:59.100 Roberto Weisz: Okay.
00:35:59.100 --> 00:36:14.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Story about it, right? Because what happens I've seen with most people is they start telling a story around the feeling right away, and to get them to come back and just focus on the feeling is rather difficult because they run into the story.
00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:28.279 Roberto Weisz: Yeah, so in this kind of work, the most frequent prompting from the counselor or the therapist or the guide is, and how are you experiencing that in your body right now?
00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:29.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:36:29.270 --> 00:36:47.900 Roberto Weisz: Can you just notice what's happening in your body right now? So we can notice people keep going back to this, because they're trained to think about it, fix it, and struggle with it mentally. So in a very simple way, we just redirect attention. That's the most important thing. We keep redirecting attention to how are you experiencing that story?
00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:49.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:36:49.060 --> 00:36:50.310 Roberto Weisz: In your body right now.
00:36:50.490 --> 00:36:58.830 Roberto Weisz: And as you're doing that, just keep noticing what your… how your body's feeling it. As you're noticing that tightness in your chest and the tension in your jaws.
00:36:58.830 --> 00:37:11.130 Roberto Weisz: Also, just begin to slow your breathing down a little bit, and the purpose of that instruction about the breathing is that if we can slow down the breathing, number 1, we're bringing attention back to the body, and number 2.
00:37:11.130 --> 00:37:31.340 Roberto Weisz: The slower breathing helps to regulate the nervous system so that the person is more effectively regulated and they can process more effectively by staying focused on their body. Very simple instructions, but they actually do some really direct things to the nervous system that allow processing to happen and that allow the nervous system.
00:37:31.340 --> 00:37:34.560 Roberto Weisz: To release some of the agitation that it's creating for itself.
00:37:35.560 --> 00:37:39.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you work with someone if they're kind of stuck in a loop where.
00:37:40.170 --> 00:37:57.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They, like, they feel this pain in their body, they tell the story, then they feel the pain in the body, and they tell the story, and they feel the pain in the body story, and it just keeps going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and they just loop around, and nothing seems to move.
00:37:58.410 --> 00:38:09.940 Roberto Weisz: Well, you know, that's a challenging situation. But again, just one step at a time, one, you know, one second at a time. And and how are you noticing that in your body right now?
00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:19.150 Roberto Weisz: Because when we direct attention to a direct experience, as opposed to a mental process, the nervous system begins to function differently. It's getting a different input.
00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:19.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:38:19.890 --> 00:38:26.650 Roberto Weisz: And what we're doing here is we're changing the input into the nervous system from all the agitating details of the story.
00:38:26.850 --> 00:38:39.889 Roberto Weisz: to simply noticing the sensations of the emotional activity in the body. So we're moving from something very complicated and very exhausting to something very simple and very calming and very focusing.
00:38:40.490 --> 00:38:41.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So…
00:38:41.230 --> 00:39:01.059 Roberto Weisz: The process itself helps to create a different mode of functioning in that person's nervous system, a different focus of attention, which is inherently simple, but it begins to move that emotional energy in the body in a way that releases agitation rather than a way that increases activation.
00:39:01.060 --> 00:39:02.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then.
00:39:04.100 --> 00:39:08.570 Roberto Weisz: So we're shifting from the normal process of getting stuck and struggling with the story.
00:39:08.570 --> 00:39:09.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:14.579 Roberto Weisz: very different process, which is very simple, and it doesn't engage in struggle. We don't have to struggle.
00:39:14.660 --> 00:39:31.679 Roberto Weisz: with a sensation. We just notice it. And there's something curious about this sensation that maybe attracts our attention a little more, because something is beginning to happen, and we're beginning to feel differently. That helps to shift that general situation from
00:39:31.990 --> 00:39:32.900 Roberto Weisz: Hmmm.
00:39:33.140 --> 00:39:49.060 Roberto Weisz: Staying stuck with the story and the details that are agitating and difficult to deal with, to something really simple, something really concrete, something very physical, something that's directly present and verifiably there in this moment.
00:39:49.080 --> 00:39:55.930 Roberto Weisz: So we keep coming back to this moment as opposed to all of the details of the story that happened over the last 10 years and all of that stuff.
00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:02.480 Roberto Weisz: Stuff which is what it is. You know, there's something to that story and there's ways to deal with that. But this is something different.
00:40:02.750 --> 00:40:21.330 Roberto Weisz: It allows us to get away from all the mental struggling into simply a mental witnessing of the physical experience of the emotional event. Very simple. And simply coming back to that over and over again is what we do to help that process continue to move forward.
00:40:22.010 --> 00:40:22.830 Roberto Weisz: Excuse me.
00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:25.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you help someone who
00:40:25.610 --> 00:40:30.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's a lot of fear around feeling the feelings because they feel like
00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:42.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it'll overwhelm them. That it's so intense and so strong, because they haven't felt it for most of their life, that now that they put some attention to it, that it just feels overwhelming.
00:40:43.220 --> 00:41:02.500 Roberto Weisz: Well, again, you see, the overwhelming feeling comes from the repeated experience of going into the story and struggling with that story. So we're offering them a different reality, which is very directly available as a physical event in the body. It's not a it's not an abstraction. It's not a concept. It's not a story.
00:41:02.500 --> 00:41:02.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:41:02.970 --> 00:41:15.780 Roberto Weisz: Physical, concrete, direct sensory experience in the body. And if necessary with some people, I might spend 15 or 20 minutes just helping them to recognize sensations in their body.
00:41:16.110 --> 00:41:16.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh.
00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:27.399 Roberto Weisz: For example, try squeezing your fist really hard. Now notice how that feels. Notice the sensations in your hand, and your forearm, and in your elbow, and your shoulders. Just notice that.
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:33.780 Roberto Weisz: And just keep paying attention to that. And now just notice what happens as you simply pay attention.
00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:39.869 Roberto Weisz: And the tension begins to release from your hand. Just keep noticing. So a little bit of sensory training for those kind of people.
00:41:39.870 --> 00:41:55.180 Roberto Weisz: Helps them to recognize it's not dangerous to be present with your sensations. See, we want them to be present with sensations rather than the whole horrible story about the abuse and the betrayal and all the lies and the lack of help and the struggle with all of that, which is in the story.
00:41:55.180 --> 00:41:55.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you.
00:41:55.910 --> 00:42:08.869 Roberto Weisz: We don't deny the story. We don't try to get rid of the story. But the story is telling us something about what we need to work with now in a very different way, which is to stay present with how that story.
00:42:09.050 --> 00:42:12.769 Roberto Weisz: But actually, the emotional energy is created by the story.
00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:13.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright.
00:42:13.870 --> 00:42:31.020 Roberto Weisz: is being experienced in a very direct way, in a very concrete way, in a very physical way, in the body. So, we move from mental to physical. That's the shift. But when we do that, we're shifting the functioning of the whole system, and allowing it to function in a different way that is inherently
00:42:31.510 --> 00:42:42.679 Roberto Weisz: Relaxing, supportive, and it really supports the processing of those experiences in a way that releases some of the emotional energy that's trapped in the system around those experiences.
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:56.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, so it's constantly redirecting the person back to the body, back to the body, what's the feeling? But it's good to hear about, like, having some kind of exercise, because there's some people who
00:42:57.130 --> 00:43:10.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They can't even feel their body, they can't even feel their feet on the floor, because they're so dissociated, they're so disconnected to it, that just the whole idea of feeling their body is a new adventure for them.
00:43:11.150 --> 00:43:14.940 Roberto Weisz: Yeah. And we wanna shift it from an idea to a direct experience.
00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:15.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. Andrew.
00:43:15.910 --> 00:43:20.409 Roberto Weisz: Direct experience is something very simple. Just notice how you're tensing your fist.
00:43:20.900 --> 00:43:21.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that'.
00:43:21.390 --> 00:43:40.510 Roberto Weisz: So there's no struggle around that, there's no phobia around that, there's no complications around that. It's very concrete, it's very here and now, and it's very experientially verifiable. And that's the beauty of it. It's direct, it's simple, it's happening now, and it's here, and when we pay attention to it.
00:43:40.510 --> 00:43:47.659 Roberto Weisz: pay attention to it in a really curious and open way, things do begin to happen. And so, as those things begin to happen.
00:43:47.660 --> 00:44:04.490 Roberto Weisz: That begins to capture more of the attention of that person because things are beginning to happen and they notice that they're relating to that situation in a somewhat different way that is more accepting, more curious rather than aversive, and they realize, oh, this is actually.
00:44:04.550 --> 00:44:15.520 Roberto Weisz: something that's really happening in my body. I can notice it now, and I can notice that I can begin to feel differently, and that encourages them to stay with the process.
00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:16.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:44:16.450 --> 00:44:18.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is it helpful to have them?
00:44:19.130 --> 00:44:21.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just name what they're feeling.
00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:30.580 Roberto Weisz: Yeah, for some people, it's helpful to name it, but, you know, if that's helpful, it's fine, it's not necessary, because the name is a label.
00:44:31.120 --> 00:44:31.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ahhh.
00:44:31.790 --> 00:44:42.679 Roberto Weisz: You see, and then the label has certain kind of connotations, implications to it. So we want to stay with the experience rather than the label.
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:44.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:44:44.040 --> 00:44:45.450 Roberto Weisz: That's the difference, you see.
00:44:45.700 --> 00:44:50.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's, it's truly being very experiential.
00:44:50.150 --> 00:44:51.120 Roberto Weisz: Absolutely.
00:44:51.440 --> 00:45:04.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, this idea of mindfulness is a very sort of Eastern concept, but you have a tremendous grounding in sort of indigenous cultures and shamanic wisdom.
00:45:04.220 --> 00:45:04.600 Roberto Weisz: James.
00:45:04.600 --> 00:45:07.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from South America.
00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:17.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you bring these two together? It sounds like they're two very different but complementary sort of approaches to things.
00:45:18.220 --> 00:45:25.590 Roberto Weisz: Yeah, well, the, you know, the shamanic world.
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:39.560 Roberto Weisz: is basically there to redirect attention of the people from their idea of the problem to their direct experience of their relationship to the natural world.
00:45:39.640 --> 00:45:47.790 Roberto Weisz: Shamans are the bridges between the people and nature, and the function of the shamans, basically, no matter what practices they engage in.
00:45:47.790 --> 00:46:00.279 Roberto Weisz: Is to reconnect the people who are in disarray or in distress back to that which is the greatest resource to them in their lives, which is the natural world that they live in.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:01.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:46:01.570 --> 00:46:13.840 Roberto Weisz: And in, you know, in those cultures, people have a very direct relationship to that natural world. You know, they go into the forest, and they can smell, they can hear, they can see the signs, and all of that is not…
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:22.969 Roberto Weisz: abstract mental activity is direct sensory experience. And in that direct sensory experience is where humanity learned most of its most important skills.
00:46:23.350 --> 00:46:34.009 Roberto Weisz: Paying attention to what's happening around them, and learning how to respond to what's happening around them in a way that supports survival and good living.
00:46:34.470 --> 00:46:36.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm.
00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:44.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Your book, again, it's a guide for both patients and therapists, so I'm curious…
00:46:44.930 --> 00:46:54.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, what in the book would you say is more towards the supporting the therapist, and what in the book is more towards supporting the client?
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:11.099 Roberto Weisz: Well, the first half of the book is for the general reader, including the therapists. And in that first half of the book, we just present the basic aspects of this process and show people how to approach it in a very simple and direct way. Just begin to notice how you're feeling that in your body.
00:47:11.450 --> 00:47:11.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:47:11.970 --> 00:47:21.030 Roberto Weisz: continue to just be aware of the physical sensations, and keep breathing a little bit more slowly and deeply, and just notice what's happening. That's the basic instruction.
00:47:21.600 --> 00:47:28.859 Roberto Weisz: The second half of the book is for therapists, and it's a little bit more technically and clinically oriented for the professional therapist.
00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:34.220 Roberto Weisz: But any interested layperson, if they really like the first half of the book and they want to learn more.
00:47:34.220 --> 00:47:51.940 Roberto Weisz: can continue to deepen their knowledge of the process in the second half of the book. So it's really, you know, the interested general reader, after reading the first half, if they feel that practice is really supporting them, and you really begin to use it in their life. And it's also a really great support
00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:58.579 Roberto Weisz: tool, and dealing with, you know, the people around you, your loved ones, your family, your friends, your closest colleagues.
00:47:58.580 --> 00:48:04.440 Roberto Weisz: who are experiencing some emotional distress. It's not that you can be their therapist, but you can help them
00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:12.420 Roberto Weisz: To begin to orient to their difficulty in a different way by simply beginning to notice how they're feeling, what they're feeling in their body.
00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:13.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:27.099 Roberto Weisz: that simple and that approachable. But it can be taken to a high level of clinical skill by professional people who are interested in learning it, because, number one, it's very simple. But as we keep working with it and our experience with it.
00:48:27.250 --> 00:48:32.479 Roberto Weisz: continues to grow, it becomes a very sophisticated tool for dealing with emotional issues.
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm, beautiful, beautiful.
00:48:36.140 --> 00:48:38.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, you know.
00:48:39.290 --> 00:48:54.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: 10, 15 years ago, I never heard anyone talking about the idea of somatic healing. I mean, I've heard of mindfulness, you know, Jon Kabat-Zinn made mindfulness very popular, you know, I don't know how long ago, maybe 30, 40 years ago.
00:48:54.870 --> 00:49:03.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you see, just in general, more of a movement towards the somatic side of therapeutic healing?
00:49:04.420 --> 00:49:11.220 Roberto Weisz: Oh yes, absolutely. It's, it's been getting stronger and stronger and there are more and more offerings in that kind of arena.
00:49:11.340 --> 00:49:25.849 Roberto Weisz: And, and there's also just the whole, the whole, movement toward using, physicality and movement as a therapeutic tool for not only physical ailments, but emotional issues.
00:49:26.170 --> 00:49:26.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, okay.
00:49:26.990 --> 00:49:46.560 Roberto Weisz: Because we are fundamentally emotional beings, no matter what's happening to us, whether we have arthritis, or polio, or multiple sclerosis, or heart issues, or anxiety, or relationship issues.
00:49:46.830 --> 00:49:51.619 Roberto Weisz: self-loathing or a lot of anxiety.
00:49:51.620 --> 00:49:52.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you.
00:49:52.060 --> 00:49:55.830 Roberto Weisz: These are these are these are all ultimately.
00:49:56.290 --> 00:50:04.539 Roberto Weisz: experiences that have an emotional component, and when we begin to address that emotional component, change begins to happen, because
00:50:04.540 --> 00:50:20.060 Roberto Weisz: When you really think about it and when you begin to feel it more, healing is an emotional process. Whether it's physical healing or emotional healing, you have to address the emotional issues inside of that experience in order for healing to be possible.
00:50:20.650 --> 00:50:22.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay Cool.
00:50:23.240 --> 00:50:27.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious just for you personally, when you kind of
00:50:27.530 --> 00:50:37.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Got on this track of somatic healing and then this mindfulness-based somatic processing. What surprised you most about this?
00:50:38.290 --> 00:50:41.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As you first started to engage in it.
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.480 Roberto Weisz: Yes.
00:50:44.040 --> 00:50:45.939 Roberto Weisz: I'm glad you asked that question.
00:50:46.110 --> 00:50:53.669 Roberto Weisz: What surprised me was that it was so real and so natural and so approachable.
00:50:53.930 --> 00:50:56.630 Roberto Weisz: And why have we neglected it for so long?
00:50:58.040 --> 00:51:10.220 Roberto Weisz: And I just began, you know, in my entire training and the first, you know, 30 or 40 years of my practice, I just wasn't oriented to that. But when I begin to orient to the emotional side of things.
00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:31.809 Roberto Weisz: And not emotions as a problem to be solved or to be diminished by powerful medication so we could be more tranquil and less bothered. That emotions are such a fundamental aspect of our functioning, and they really underlie our capacity to engage any experience or to respond to any experience.
00:51:31.810 --> 00:51:33.869 Roberto Weisz: But we have neglected.
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:45.880 Roberto Weisz: them for so long. And as a result of that, we have developed a really rather aversive and minimalist and uncomfortable relationship to our emotional side.
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:46.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:51:46.270 --> 00:51:56.020 Roberto Weisz: We relate to it as a problem that needs to be somehow fixed. And the medical profession has approached that in terms of, you know, medicines that diminish our ability to feel.
00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:56.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Deal. Right.
00:51:56.940 --> 00:52:09.600 Roberto Weisz: Antidepressants basically inhibit our emotional experience in order to, you know, create less problems around the most intense emotions. But our approach to that societally has been
00:52:09.740 --> 00:52:16.580 Roberto Weisz: Really ignorant, and, and, and… deplorable, really.
00:52:16.580 --> 00:52:17.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:52:17.060 --> 00:52:26.139 Roberto Weisz: considering how fundamental emotions are to every aspect of our functioning, including any kind of healing process that we want to engage in.
00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:32.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, and you know, you bring up a good point that in this society, we tend to
00:52:32.600 --> 00:52:49.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: try and flatten things out, so that the challenging emotions don't bother us, so we can quote-unquote be functional. But that also flattens us out for the positive emotions, too, for the good-feeling emotions. And so I'm curious.
00:52:49.250 --> 00:52:55.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How this work affects people feeling on the positive side of things.
00:52:55.740 --> 00:52:58.290 Roberto Weisz: Well, like I said before.
00:52:58.570 --> 00:53:10.719 Roberto Weisz: When we do this work consistently over a period of time, we literally develop a more receptive, more respectful, more interested, more curious, more…
00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:12.190 Roberto Weisz: Oh!
00:53:12.580 --> 00:53:21.600 Roberto Weisz: desirable relationship with our emotional nature. And ultimately, what this work is about is changing our relationship to our emotions.
00:53:21.940 --> 00:53:32.449 Roberto Weisz: So that we don't deal with so many of them as problems that need to be dealt with, but as aspects of our humanity that.
00:53:32.450 --> 00:53:32.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Inde.
00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:34.979 Roberto Weisz: need to be met.
00:53:35.520 --> 00:53:36.830 Roberto Weisz: Deeply.
00:53:37.050 --> 00:53:52.289 Roberto Weisz: deeply met, and really engaged, because they are such a fundamental aspect of our humanity. They drive every experience, shape every attitude. They have such an important
00:53:53.610 --> 00:54:09.209 Roberto Weisz: part to play in our human life. But we've developed this attitude, well, there are certain emotions that are desirable, okay, happiness and gratitude and all that, and certain emotions to be ignored or pushed away or condemned.
00:54:09.250 --> 00:54:25.389 Roberto Weisz: But definitely not met. And that has, I think, limited our capacity to really engage our humanity more fully, and that's very regrettably. And that's very regrettable, and that's part of the reason that I wrote this book. It's not just about showing a process, but
00:54:25.390 --> 00:54:35.820 Roberto Weisz: Really helping people to recognize that we really ought to and want to develop a kind, accepting, respectful.
00:54:37.100 --> 00:54:45.570 Roberto Weisz: relationship with that aspect of our human nature that we have so powerfully ignored and described as a problem to be solved.
00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:53.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I'm going to tell on myself because I talked about sort of positive and negative emotions, but what you're really saying is.
00:54:54.090 --> 00:55:13.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's not about an emotion being positive or negative, that's just the story we tell about the emotion. The emotion is just the energy, it's just the feeling, and it's just being present to it, regardless of whether it's a comfortable or uncomfortable emotion, that there are really no positive or negative emotions, they're just.
00:55:13.090 --> 00:55:15.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Energies, they're just feelings.
00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:26.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it sounds like what you're really focusing on is helping people just to be more present on what those feelings are in the moment.
00:55:26.550 --> 00:55:28.660 Roberto Weisz: And as they do that.
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:34.899 Roberto Weisz: They are beginning to relate to that aspect of their humanity in a much more
00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:43.790 Roberto Weisz: respectful and helpful, and, I would say, Honest way.
00:55:44.910 --> 00:55:50.450 Roberto Weisz: when we meet our emotions and know them better, and know how to be present with them.
00:55:50.580 --> 00:55:55.630 Roberto Weisz: We are literally developing a different relationship with our basic human nature.
00:55:56.310 --> 00:56:04.470 Roberto Weisz: We're literally beginning to relate to ourselves in a way that's more authentic, more open, more honest, more receptive.
00:56:04.850 --> 00:56:15.060 Roberto Weisz: And then we take that quality of relationship that we begin to develop with ourselves, that openness, that receptivity, that curiosity, that,
00:56:15.060 --> 00:56:35.030 Roberto Weisz: that willingness to be present, then we take those aspects into our relationships with other people, and then those relationships are more authentic, more honest, more emotionally frank, and I think that allows us to function at a better, more honest, and higher level of our human capacity.
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:37.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm mmm mmm.
00:56:37.510 --> 00:56:41.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, that's beautiful. That's, that's beautiful, Roberto.
00:56:41.180 --> 00:56:50.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, you've taught in so many different universities, you've worked for so long.
00:56:50.280 --> 00:57:02.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's grateful that you're still out there putting this message out. If people want to learn more about their work, is there a resource online for them to go to?
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:06.479 Roberto Weisz: Yes, there's a website. It's www.
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.599 Roberto Weisz: B, S… I'm sorry.
00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:11.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: SEP?
00:57:11.260 --> 00:57:12.930 Roberto Weisz: MBSEP.
00:57:12.940 --> 00:57:23.959 Roberto Weisz: So that's all about this process and there's also a way there to to access our book and and we've of course you've talked about the book that
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:36.500 Roberto Weisz: We've written, I've had a co-author whose name is Daniel Blackwood, and this is the book. It's available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Books A Million, and Inner Traditions.
00:57:36.700 --> 00:57:53.970 Roberto Weisz: 3250, and this book is really… it is a guide for everyone who's interested, and it takes you through all the steps of learning the process, and there are lots of… there's tons of experiential exercises that allow you to try your skills and to become experientially acquainted with the work, so…
00:57:53.970 --> 00:58:05.150 Roberto Weisz: We've made every effort to make this work really accessible, really approachable, and when people begin to use it, they can see for themselves how helpful it is.
00:58:05.150 --> 00:58:12.650 Roberto Weisz: for themselves, how helpful it is in supporting the people that they love, who, you know, we all experience emotionally
00:58:12.650 --> 00:58:37.639 Roberto Weisz: Powerful events that are difficult to deal with. And if someone can really help us to be present with our emotions in a different way and begin to process them in this way, we are then able to support the people that we care about as well as supporting ourselves. So that's the idea. And then therapists who want to learn this process can begin with the second half of the book and then maybe take our trainings. And we offer trainings in this process as well.
00:58:37.640 --> 00:58:38.260 Roberto Weisz: as well.
00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:49.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. So again, that website is mbscp.com for mindfulness-based somatic emotional processing.
00:58:49.190 --> 00:58:56.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Weiss, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to come on my show. It was a pleasure to have you on the Conscious Consultant Hour.
00:58:57.240 --> 00:59:01.909 Roberto Weisz: Well, it's been a great pleasure and I really had a good time interacting with you. Thank you so much.
00:59:01.910 --> 00:59:20.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right, thank you, thank you. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc and all over social media, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Twitch.
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