EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is delighted to welcome back internationally acclaimed writer, poet, and mystical teacher Andrew Harvey.
The author of more than forty books, including Son of Man, The Hope, Love is Everything, Turn Me to Gold, and Radical Regeneration with Carolyn Baker, Andrew is also the founder of the Institute for Sacred Activism, an organization devoted to inviting concerned people to meet our global crises as inspired, effective, and practical agents of institutional and systemic change.
He returns to the show with a powerful new book, The Magdalene Revolution: The Return of the Sacred Feminine and the Birth of Radical Equality, a work that may be the boldest and most timely of his long career.
In The Magdalene Revolution, Andrew offers a radically fresh reading of Mary Magdalene, drawing on decades of scholarship in sacred texts, the Gnostic gospels, and the mystical traditions. He examines how she has been portrayed in the New Testament, sometimes splendidly and sometimes dangerously distorted, and recovers the truths revealed about her in works such as the Gospel of Mary.
Together, Sam and Andrew explore what this revolution asks of each of us in a world in profound transition. They discuss the return of the sacred feminine, the sacred marriage of feminine and masculine within every human being, and the embodied path of love and equality that the Magdalene Revolution invites us to live. They also touch on sacred activism as the natural expression of this awakened consciousness and the courage required to participate in birthing a new humanity. This episode is an invitation to step into a wider, fiercer, more tender vision of Christ consciousness, and to recognize that the healing of our world may begin with the restoration of the feminine voice that was silenced, but never lost.
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In this episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam opens with a reflection on how genuine healing rarely arrives on our own timeline—it comes through the accumulated "watering" of every practice, ceremony, and inner effort, often sprouting only when we've released our expectations of how or when it should happen. He then welcomes back mystical teacher and author Andrew Harvey, who shares the story behind his new book The Magdalene Revolution: a life-altering vision of Mary Magdalene at her cave in southern France that set him on a decades-long journey through sacred texts, the divine feminine, and his own body and sexuality to understand her as an essential co-creator of Christ consciousness alongside Jesus. Andrew also recounts the devastating loss of his beloved cat and his home in a fire—describing it as a "crucifixion of the heart" that paradoxically delivered him into a profound, embodied experience of transfiguration, which he connects to humanity's own coming trials and the deeper spiritual awakening he believes lies just beyond them.
In this closing segment, Andrew Harvey unpacks the Gospel of the Beloved Companion, Mary Magdalene's own long-hidden gospel, describing its six revelations: that she and Jesus were united in sacred marriage at Cana, that Jesus called himself "Son of Man" rather than "Son of God," that he honored God as Mother as well as Father, and that Mary—not John—leaned on him at the Last Supper and received his mother's care from the cross. He shares her culminating teaching on the "tree of life" and ascension into oneness with the divine feminine, framing it as essential wisdom for humanity's current "global dark night," and explains that these truths stayed hidden for two millennia because revealing them once risked persecution and because humanity's body-hating, patriarchal conditioning left it unready to receive them. He closes by voicing four hopes for readers—a thrilling vision of sacred union, a true picture of Mary Magdalene's power, a fuller humanized Jesus, and a sense of direction amid crisis—affirming that he still feels her presence guiding him, before pointing listeners to The Magdalene Revolution and his site, andrewharvey.net.
00:00:45.280 --> 00:01:08.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Good morning, good evening, wherever you're tuning in from. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another wonderful show in store for you, with a truly
00:01:08.460 --> 00:01:16.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: magnificent guest. I can't wait to bring him on. But first, of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago.
00:01:16.250 --> 00:01:26.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just kind of taking these in order, and I have a feeling this one's rather apropos for who we're bringing on today. So, let's get started. This blog post is entitled.
00:01:26.750 --> 00:01:31.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Healing finds us when we least expect it.
00:01:32.150 --> 00:01:35.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our healing path to wholeness is not linear.
00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can feel like we never get anywhere.
00:01:40.270 --> 00:01:44.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The mind can keep bringing us back to the same issues.
00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:45.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Relief.
00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Seems impossible to achieve.
00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We work so hard at trying to be better.
00:01:54.350 --> 00:01:59.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just feel like it is okay to just live in our own skin.
00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:05.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet we can still ruminate on all the things we don't feel good about.
00:02:05.970 --> 00:02:13.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: About how we don't take care of ourselves, or how we never treat ourselves as well as we treat other people.
00:02:14.470 --> 00:02:18.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We look for someone who will just take away our pain.
00:02:19.750 --> 00:02:26.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Someone who can show us how we can get out of the tangled nut that we feel inside our chest.
00:02:26.980 --> 00:02:33.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: After dealing with these feelings for so long, we just want to give up.
00:02:33.770 --> 00:02:37.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To end our misery any way possible.
00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:44.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: While the mind can be a great ally, it can also keep us stuck.
00:02:45.500 --> 00:02:49.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For no one else can ever take away our own pain.
00:02:50.890 --> 00:02:54.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is ours to work through and to process.
00:02:55.350 --> 00:03:00.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our pain is what builds our emotional muscles.
00:03:00.950 --> 00:03:06.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Working through it is what gives us strength and builds our confidence.
00:03:06.720 --> 00:03:12.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is the resistance that we push against that brings us to a new place.
00:03:13.720 --> 00:03:18.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A place of knowing that we can deal with difficult things.
00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:24.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That we can survive even the most painful moments.
00:03:26.110 --> 00:03:30.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that our trauma does not always have to define us.
00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:37.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The relief we seek is just the other side of our pain.
00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Out beyond our fear and our disappointment.
00:03:43.060 --> 00:03:47.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Only our expectations make it so hard to achieve.
00:03:48.620 --> 00:03:53.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For we expect it to go the way we THINK we want it to go.
00:03:54.280 --> 00:04:01.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Not the way it has to go for us to truly find the joy we seek.
00:04:03.260 --> 00:04:09.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It can feel like we are working on ourselves for years without seeing a result.
00:04:09.370 --> 00:04:16.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet every step on the healing journey is building upon the previous step.
00:04:17.700 --> 00:04:24.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Every single opportunity that we take to dig in a little deeper
00:04:24.640 --> 00:04:29.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Takes us to a whole new level of understanding and feeling.
00:04:30.410 --> 00:04:34.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Until one day, When we least expect it.
00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We do have the breakthrough we have been hoping for.
00:04:40.090 --> 00:04:47.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We finally feel our way through the most painful feelings and find our way to peace.
00:04:48.660 --> 00:04:51.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe even joy.
00:04:52.020 --> 00:04:58.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For healing finds us just when we think we will never find it.
00:04:59.130 --> 00:05:05.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And suddenly… In the blink of an eye, It all feels worth it.
00:05:06.130 --> 00:05:13.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The long nights, the dreaded days, they all lead us to where we are now.
00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:18.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In this place of wholeness and acceptance.
00:05:19.250 --> 00:05:22.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just when we needed to be there.
00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:31.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, I wrote this blog post after working with a number of clients who
00:05:32.460 --> 00:05:42.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of all said similar things, like, oh, I just want it to be over, oh, I… I just want to feel better.
00:05:42.820 --> 00:05:46.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… You know, the tricky part is.
00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:56.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That the kind of life in the universe doesn't work on our… schedule.
00:05:56.740 --> 00:06:04.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It doesn't really go when exactly we want things to happen.
00:06:06.140 --> 00:06:11.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Not that it doesn't happen, Not that…
00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, the heat… we don't find our way to feeling better.
00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:22.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But in my experience, rarely does it happen when we expect.
00:06:23.470 --> 00:06:28.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And usually, it's when we drop those expectations
00:06:28.870 --> 00:06:31.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That that's when it comes through.
00:06:32.840 --> 00:06:35.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That when we keep saying to ourselves.
00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:45.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This is… this is the workshop that's gonna do it, that's gonna make me feel better. Oh, this is the ceremony. This is the healing that I need.
00:06:45.650 --> 00:06:52.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we place so much emphasis on the thing we're doing in the moment.
00:06:53.770 --> 00:06:59.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That almost creates a little resistance to getting where we actually want to go.
00:07:01.140 --> 00:07:07.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what we often don't realize is Every one of those
00:07:08.630 --> 00:07:17.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Healing sessions, every one of those ceremonies, every one of those meditations, every one of those workshops and boot camps and retreats.
00:07:18.030 --> 00:07:20.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They're all watering the soil.
00:07:21.730 --> 00:07:28.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They were all adding fertilizer to the seeds we've been planting for so long.
00:07:31.200 --> 00:07:40.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that one day, Usually, when we least expect it, Those seeds will sprout.
00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:48.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that… Resistance that we've been feeling so long, and not feeling good.
00:07:49.310 --> 00:08:00.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's the resistance like the stem has of pushing through the soil that builds the strength so that when it pops up out of the ground, it can stand tall.
00:08:03.270 --> 00:08:08.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we look to somebody else to take away our pain.
00:08:09.900 --> 00:08:13.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If they actually do take away our pain.
00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:18.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then we give our power away to them, because they quote-unquote fixed us.
00:08:21.010 --> 00:08:23.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But when we own our healing.
00:08:23.930 --> 00:08:36.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we are the ones putting in the work, when we're the ones showing up day after day after day, feeling like we're barely budging an inch on our healing path.
00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:43.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then, when we do step over that line, and we do find our healing.
00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:46.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We know we're the ones who got us there.
00:08:47.530 --> 00:08:52.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then we can take… Just a little bit of pride in that work.
00:08:53.510 --> 00:09:01.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then if… Some great challenge comes to us in the future. We know we can withstand it.
00:09:02.060 --> 00:09:05.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because of all we've been through before.
00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:14.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, it's an old kind of cliche of, that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:30.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Well… that which… That resistance, which we continually push against, Builds our muscles.
00:09:30.790 --> 00:09:35.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Builds our internal, emotional, personal muscles.
00:09:37.330 --> 00:09:43.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That help us to feel… Stronger.
00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That help us to feel like, ugh.
00:09:46.890 --> 00:09:49.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If I can get my way through that.
00:09:51.260 --> 00:09:53.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I can get my way through anything.
00:09:55.370 --> 00:10:03.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the irony is… Sometimes, when we've… Made a huge breakthrough.
00:10:03.930 --> 00:10:10.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we're feeling so much better about ourselves, and we're feeling more confident, more settled, more centered.
00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:18.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes that's when… The most challenging and the most difficult times of life comes through.
00:10:20.470 --> 00:10:25.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… we can say that…
00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:34.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, thank God I got through it, so I was able to deal with this. Or we can say, oh my god, I can't believe I've got another thing to deal with.
00:10:35.980 --> 00:10:43.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I like to think that That's the beauty of… Life's timing for us.
00:10:43.780 --> 00:10:50.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That it's almost as if the universe knows that we've got these challenges waiting for us.
00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:56.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so our healing needs to come Just in time.
00:10:57.460 --> 00:10:59.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For us to be okay.
00:10:59.620 --> 00:11:04.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that then we can deal with this even more challenging.
00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:07.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Episode in our lives.
00:11:08.810 --> 00:11:23.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, that is my blog post. It is entitled, Healing Finds Us When We Least Expect It. And of course, you can always find my blog on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:11:23.780 --> 00:11:31.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And on the station's website at talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:11:32.300 --> 00:11:38.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now… It is my extreme pleasure to welcome back to the show
00:11:38.950 --> 00:11:45.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: internationally acclaimed writer, poet, and mystical teacher, Andrew Harvey.
00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:54.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Author of more than 40 books, including Son of Man, The Hope, Love Is Everything.
00:11:54.070 --> 00:12:10.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Turn Me to Gold, and Radical Regeneration with Carolyn Baker. Andrew is also the founder of the Institute for Sacred Activism, an organization devoted to inviting concerned people to meet our global crises.
00:12:10.640 --> 00:12:17.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As inspired effective and practical agents of institutional and systematic change.
00:12:17.900 --> 00:12:25.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He returns to my show with his powerful new book, The Magdalene Revolution.
00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:28.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In this new book.
00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:36.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Andrew offers a radically fresh reading of Mary Magdalene, drawing on decades of scholarship and sacred tasks.
00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:48.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the Gnostic Gospels and the mystical traditions. He examines how she has been portrayed in the New Testament, sometimes splendidly and sometimes dangerously distorted.
00:12:48.690 --> 00:12:55.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and recovers the truths revealed about her in works such as The Gospel of Mary.
00:12:55.640 --> 00:12:59.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to The Conscious Consultant, Andrew. Welcome back, I should say.
00:12:59.670 --> 00:13:18.690 Andrew Harvey: Sam, how lovely to be with you, and how absolutely lovely to hear your wonderful and very profound meditation on healing. And as you were speaking, I was reminded about something that I was told years ago by a great Hindu teacher that I loved.
00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:27.329 Andrew Harvey: And she said, The most powerful of all spiritual techniques is saying the name of God in the heart.
00:13:27.640 --> 00:13:35.469 Andrew Harvey: And… you may… Do it passionately for a long time and feel nothing is happening.
00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:40.590 Andrew Harvey: But imagine that you're in a cell, the cell of your
00:13:41.070 --> 00:13:47.700 Andrew Harvey: enclosed ego, and you're given a file, and that file is the practice of the name of God.
00:13:47.870 --> 00:13:56.060 Andrew Harvey: And that very stark wall that is separating you, you don't know how thick it is, from the open field of vision.
00:13:56.280 --> 00:14:03.239 Andrew Harvey: Is out there, so you just keep filing away whatever happens.
00:14:03.740 --> 00:14:06.400 Andrew Harvey: And one day, which you weren't…
00:14:06.540 --> 00:14:14.300 Andrew Harvey: At any timing over, any control over, you'll be out in the open field of unity.
00:14:14.700 --> 00:14:22.410 Andrew Harvey: And that has always stuck with me as the most wonderful remark on spiritual practice, but the same is also true of healing.
00:14:23.260 --> 00:14:32.719 Andrew Harvey: And my book, The Magdalene Revolution, is dedicated to what I believe to be the most important
00:14:32.880 --> 00:14:36.100 Andrew Harvey: Healing, on every level that we need.
00:14:36.270 --> 00:14:49.159 Andrew Harvey: A healing that can only come back to us through the return in the full force and majesty and beauty and power of the sacred feminine, in union with the sacred masculine.
00:14:49.160 --> 00:14:50.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, hmm.
00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:54.429 Andrew Harvey: And that is the healing on multiple levels.
00:14:54.650 --> 00:14:58.459 Andrew Harvey: That our world needs, if it's not going to be.
00:14:58.910 --> 00:15:10.780 Andrew Harvey: Catastrophically destroyed by a demented masculine out of total control and totally dissociated from It's feminine.
00:15:10.780 --> 00:15:12.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yeah.
00:15:12.070 --> 00:15:20.990 Andrew Harvey: That's the main passion behind writing this, which is a revolutionary book, as you know, because it totally redefines Christ's consciousness.
00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:27.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, was the inspiration for this book seeing, sort of, how the…
00:15:27.750 --> 00:15:35.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The damaged or the traumatized masculine is out of control, or was there something more that.
00:15:35.430 --> 00:15:36.520 Andrew Harvey: Oh, no.
00:15:36.520 --> 00:15:38.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Put you on the path of writing this book.
00:15:38.490 --> 00:15:47.840 Andrew Harvey: Oh, thank you for asking, but actually, it was a wild, life-changing, totally deranging vision, because
00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:53.189 Andrew Harvey: 20-odd years ago, I took a group of seekers down.
00:15:53.300 --> 00:16:10.700 Andrew Harvey: to the south of France, to Magdalene Territory, and it was a very alive group, and we went into the cave where she's said to have spent the last 30 years of her life in silent contemplation. It's a cave on a mountain called St. Bomb.
00:16:10.990 --> 00:16:18.590 Andrew Harvey: And it's vast and beautiful, and when I entered the cave, I felt this tremendous glowing peace.
00:16:18.850 --> 00:16:33.749 Andrew Harvey: And then I stood outside the cave and read what the Catholic Church had written about what she was up to in the cave, and according to them, she was up to being massively penitent for her wildlife, and longing for death, and…
00:16:33.930 --> 00:16:53.310 Andrew Harvey: all of that, and I started to scream inside. I thought, my God, how could you say this of the woman that had seen him resurrected? How could you say this of the woman who had witnessed the greatest miracle in human history? How could you say this of someone who had
00:16:53.450 --> 00:16:59.179 Andrew Harvey: being called Apostle of the Apostles, and I started to walk down the valley feeling
00:16:59.330 --> 00:17:05.829 Andrew Harvey: very boiling with outrage. And I turned to look one last time at the cave.
00:17:06.060 --> 00:17:20.929 Andrew Harvey: And there she was, as an immense taller of blazing golden light. Unmistakably a woman, but also unmistakably the
00:17:21.099 --> 00:17:27.219 Andrew Harvey: full presence of the divine motherhood of God, the divine feminine.
00:17:28.190 --> 00:17:29.120 Andrew Harvey: And…
00:17:29.650 --> 00:17:40.640 Andrew Harvey: I cannot begin to describe what that did to me, because it really deranged me for 20 years. I didn't know what to do with it, and I was doing so much else that…
00:17:40.650 --> 00:17:56.920 Andrew Harvey: I was beginning sacred activism, I was writing a series of books that were very important to me, and I didn't feel ready to confront the full revolutionary power of what she had revealed herself to be nothing less
00:17:56.930 --> 00:18:03.019 Andrew Harvey: Than a co-incarnation, a co-creator, a co-consult.
00:18:03.090 --> 00:18:20.099 Andrew Harvey: of Jesus, and someone absolutely essential as the incarnation of the Divine Feminine to the sacred marriage of masculine and feminine at the highest, deepest, richest levels, that it is authentic Christ consciousness.
00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:20.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.709 Andrew Harvey: Because in order to be able to convey something.
00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:43.140 Andrew Harvey: something like that, so directly, so nakedly, so brilliantly. As she had conveyed it to me, I had to go on a huge inner journey that involved three things. It involved massive reading of sacred texts throughout the entire Christian tradition.
00:18:43.280 --> 00:18:47.940 Andrew Harvey: Find those beings who had had a similar intuition.
00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:51.380 Andrew Harvey: It took a… deep.
00:18:51.580 --> 00:19:03.789 Andrew Harvey: deep immersion in the sacred feminine in all traditions, because in order to understand what has been lost and forgotten and degraded and abandoned.
00:19:03.890 --> 00:19:13.240 Andrew Harvey: You have to go on a profound search, which I did into Hinduism and Buddhism and Kashmiri Shaivism, and God knows what else.
00:19:13.360 --> 00:19:18.679 Andrew Harvey: And it took a real journey into my own.
00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:19.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm…
00:19:19.510 --> 00:19:26.080 Andrew Harvey: sexual-emotional experience, because how could I begin to understand
00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:35.729 Andrew Harvey: what the sacred marriage makes possible for us, if I didn't examine what had been lost in my own
00:19:35.800 --> 00:19:49.790 Andrew Harvey: Sometimes tragic and sometimes very painful experience through the kind of institutionalized body hatred and sex hatred that the religion's divorce from the sacred feminine had created.
00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.829 Andrew Harvey: So, I wasn't really ready to write the book until my late 60s.
00:19:55.990 --> 00:20:01.949 Andrew Harvey: And then I went through 3 absolutely outrageously painful, difficult years.
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:18.429 Andrew Harvey: In which every time I tried to write the book, I could write a little bit of it, and then was silenced, because I couldn't go any further, and then was guided directly by books arriving through the post, or sudden dreams, by her.
00:20:18.460 --> 00:20:24.870 Andrew Harvey: And at which time I realized that this wasn't my book. This was what I'd lived to write.
00:20:24.910 --> 00:20:34.270 Andrew Harvey: But that she had taken increasingly control of my whole being and was guiding me if I was prepared to go through.
00:20:34.270 --> 00:20:45.730 Andrew Harvey: what nearly killed me, but also rebirthed me. So that's the short version of what actually happened. It's not a book, truly, it's a sacred text.
00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:47.839 Andrew Harvey: I know that…
00:20:48.410 --> 00:21:06.899 Andrew Harvey: She guided me throughout it all. It's grounded in history, it's grounded in sacred texts, it's grounded in the Gnostics texts, it's grounded in the Gospel of Mary, it's grounded in the great gospel that was revealed to us in 2010 and 2015, when the
00:21:06.990 --> 00:21:13.219 Andrew Harvey: her own gospel, the Gospel of the Beloved Companion, was translated and published
00:21:13.300 --> 00:21:28.379 Andrew Harvey: But it is something that goes further than any of them, because it's directly relevant to what we're going through in the world now. An apocalyptic evolutionary crisis, which I believe can only be healed
00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:37.459 Andrew Harvey: By the coming together of the very best of the sacred masculine, and the very richest and deepest and wildest and purest and most.
00:21:37.810 --> 00:21:42.709 Andrew Harvey: flesh-blessing, most world-blessing sides of the Divine Feminine.
00:21:44.900 --> 00:21:50.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I can see from your passion that this vision really
00:21:51.450 --> 00:22:08.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: struck you to your core. Now, you've been a seeker most of your life. You've studied amazing things. Have you ever had any other experience that even came close to this, or was this something that was just truly unique, so it really
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Pointed you in this direction in a very profound way.
00:22:13.070 --> 00:22:19.720 Andrew Harvey: What a beautiful question. You know, I've been a finder for 40 years, not so much a seeker.
00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:26.639 Andrew Harvey: I have… but the finding has expanded and expanded and expanded.
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:45.230 Andrew Harvey: So my… my life has been blessed by amazing encounters with great mystics. I spent 40 years with Rumi, I've spent 10… the last 15 years with Kabir, translating Kabir. I've been through the dark night process and see directly the divine light.
00:22:45.560 --> 00:22:54.480 Andrew Harvey: But what was left for me to wrangle with was something at the core of my own being, and that was
00:22:54.750 --> 00:23:06.880 Andrew Harvey: what is my true relationship to the body? What is my true relationship to sexuality? All those other findings had opened me to divine reality.
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:07.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But…
00:23:07.380 --> 00:23:11.169 Andrew Harvey: I was still stuck at some level.
00:23:11.350 --> 00:23:18.499 Andrew Harvey: In my human pain, in my human trauma, in the agony that I've experienced as a gay man.
00:23:18.630 --> 00:23:26.609 Andrew Harvey: with multiple failed attempts to find the beloved that I so long for in reality.
00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:42.610 Andrew Harvey: And so, this healing, this finding that came through this vision of a… an amazing, utterly devoted, utterly beautiful, utterly sacred, utterly sensual, and utterly transcendent relationship.
00:23:42.610 --> 00:23:52.260 Andrew Harvey: Between Jesus and Mary, and between inside us, the sacred Jesus and the sacred Mary Magdalena room, masculine and feminine.
00:23:52.320 --> 00:23:54.029 Andrew Harvey: was something that…
00:23:54.740 --> 00:24:04.580 Andrew Harvey: began to heal me at a level that none of the other revelations I've been given had, because it healed Andrew.
00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:16.390 Andrew Harvey: It healed the person who'd been through so much suffering in his emotional and spiritual His emotional and peace.
00:24:16.550 --> 00:24:19.470 Andrew Harvey: His emotional, sexual life.
00:24:19.470 --> 00:24:20.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:24:20.310 --> 00:24:26.979 Andrew Harvey: So that is… that's why I'm so grateful and so overwhelmed by the experience, because it really did
00:24:27.650 --> 00:24:32.999 Andrew Harvey: begin to finish the last part of my journey so that I feel ready to give.
00:24:33.490 --> 00:24:40.439 Andrew Harvey: far more than I've ever given at the moment that I find myself, which is wonderful at 74, because
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:56.960 Andrew Harvey: usually that's the time where you're packing up and doddering around the garden, but I feel that the experience of writing the Magdalene Revolution has birthed me into a wholly new wholeness, exactly as you described, and that this is the moment when I can actually give the most
00:24:57.040 --> 00:25:04.460 Andrew Harvey: That's why I'm speaking to you from Kashmir, because I'm now living in Kashmir, which is… the living…
00:25:05.020 --> 00:25:14.000 Andrew Harvey: explosive, tender representation in its landscapes, in its beauty, in its traditions of this fullness that I'm feeling at this moment.
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:25:17.340 --> 00:25:28.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We just have a few minutes before we take a little break, but I just want to ask you, in the beginning of your book, you dedicated to your cat, who unfortunately passed away.
00:25:28.690 --> 00:25:40.240 Andrew Harvey: It's the last part, actually, it's the epigraph. I dedicated the book to Maria Callas, but the last part of the book is the epigraph to my cat, because I wanted that to be the last
00:25:40.510 --> 00:25:42.770 Andrew Harvey: I wanted her to be the last.
00:25:42.880 --> 00:26:00.170 Andrew Harvey: memory of the book, because I experienced so much of the tenderness of the tantric relationship in my relationship with my cat. Obviously, it wasn't sexual, but it was totally embodied and radiant and tender and unbelievably loving. She was
00:26:01.330 --> 00:26:09.629 Andrew Harvey: Far more than a cat to me, she was a great teacher of radiant embodiment, and I adored her for 17 and a half years with all of my heart.
00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:10.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:26:10.550 --> 00:26:12.680 Andrew Harvey: And tragically, she…
00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:27.649 Andrew Harvey: died in the fire that destroyed one life, May the 2nd last year, when my condo burnt down, all my unpublished manuscripts, all my books, all my records, all my treasures, but my greatest treasure, which was her.
00:26:28.390 --> 00:26:32.370 Andrew Harvey: were destroyed. Fortunately, she wasn't burned, she…
00:26:32.750 --> 00:26:40.660 Andrew Harvey: just inhaled the smoke, but it was a total crucifixion of the heart. But the amazing thing…
00:26:41.330 --> 00:26:43.020 Andrew Harvey: Is that it came…
00:26:43.350 --> 00:26:53.770 Andrew Harvey: when I was finishing the book, and it came in the most astounding way, because I just plucked up my courage to write the preface in which I said.
00:26:53.990 --> 00:27:12.319 Andrew Harvey: what I really believe. Finally, I kicked away the chair and said, well, I might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, so let me say what I really believe, which is that this is the time of the Pentecost, the return in full glory of Mary Magdalene to complete our vision of Christ Consciousness.
00:27:12.510 --> 00:27:32.039 Andrew Harvey: And the chief coming back in flames, and our job is to become one of the singing flames of her Pentecostal resurrection. And I wrote that. And then I went out to have breakfast, and I came back, and my entire world was burning in those flames.
00:27:32.040 --> 00:27:32.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:27:32.490 --> 00:27:36.330 Andrew Harvey: It was so shattering and so precise.
00:27:36.630 --> 00:27:38.429 Andrew Harvey: And then, I…
00:27:38.690 --> 00:27:51.079 Andrew Harvey: knelt down in the rain, and I begged God not to take my cat, not to destroy everything else, but not to destroy her. And of course, at that moment, a little man came out and said.
00:27:51.230 --> 00:27:59.610 Andrew Harvey: your beloved cat is dead. And I walked up the stairs, I walked into the appalling madness of the
00:27:59.860 --> 00:28:02.020 Andrew Harvey: The condo that had just been…
00:28:02.560 --> 00:28:10.260 Andrew Harvey: the flames had been doused. I looked at her body, and at that moment, something which I can't really describe, but which has been…
00:28:10.760 --> 00:28:13.899 Andrew Harvey: An overwhelming experience, continues to be.
00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:18.259 Andrew Harvey: happened. I… one part of me just screamed.
00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:22.830 Andrew Harvey: And died from the intensity of the pain.
00:28:23.040 --> 00:28:25.500 Andrew Harvey: But at the same moment, a great…
00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:35.400 Andrew Harvey: Light came into me, and I felt totally ecstatic, blissful beyond anything that I'd ever felt.
00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:41.359 Andrew Harvey: And that… Feeling, that experience, has lost it.
00:28:41.570 --> 00:28:42.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:28:42.120 --> 00:28:42.710 Andrew Harvey: So…
00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:51.240 Andrew Harvey: it was, to me, a revelation of the truth of what I'd written. She'd given me the ultimate experience as a reward.
00:28:51.770 --> 00:29:00.899 Andrew Harvey: The experiences that she'd had through the crucifixion and the resurrection in terms of my own life.
00:29:01.590 --> 00:29:03.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow. Mom.
00:29:03.820 --> 00:29:04.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It, it's…
00:29:04.780 --> 00:29:09.770 Andrew Harvey: in terms of what the world is going to go through. The world will go through that experience.
00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:20.929 Andrew Harvey: But it won't be the end. It is about to go through some of the most severest, most terrible, most excruciating challenges. They will come later this year.
00:29:21.300 --> 00:29:30.410 Andrew Harvey: But they will not be the end. They will be the beginning of the beginning, because they'll wake humanity up in a way that it has never been woken up.
00:29:30.670 --> 00:29:39.969 Andrew Harvey: To the danger that we now are in, through our imbalance, of really not only destroying ourselves, but a great deal of nature.
00:29:39.970 --> 00:29:40.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:42.739 Andrew Harvey: this is one of Trump's dreams.
00:29:42.970 --> 00:29:48.140 Andrew Harvey: Gifts to us in the most terrifying way, but the war that we're now
00:29:48.590 --> 00:29:55.629 Andrew Harvey: insanely pursuing in the Middle East is not going to end well. It's going to explode in ways that
00:29:56.150 --> 00:30:00.299 Andrew Harvey: Will look terrifying, and be terrifying, but not at the end.
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:10.009 Andrew Harvey: A new birth is coming, but it's coming through a great death, and I've lived it, so I'm here to help.
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:24.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. I mean, that's… I just can't imagine, like, coming home and, like, losing everything of your whole life, especially for someone like yourself, who's so prolific at writing and creating.
00:30:24.990 --> 00:30:31.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And having been a finder for so many years, I'm sure you had such amazing things that you…
00:30:32.050 --> 00:30:34.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That held very dear.
00:30:34.870 --> 00:30:35.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Especially.
00:30:35.790 --> 00:30:52.780 Andrew Harvey: I did, but they weren't as amazing as the light that descended and proved that everything that I'd been thinking about working for was real, because I'd been working for years on the core theme of the Magdalene Revolution, which is that
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:00.690 Andrew Harvey: it's possible, as a human being, to be transfigured. It's possible to be transfigured in mind.
00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:17.610 Andrew Harvey: In heart, in soul, but also in body, in the very depths of the cellular structure, the bones and the muscles of the body. This has been known in Christianity, in deep esoteric Christianity. It's called theosis in the Orthodox tradition.
00:31:17.820 --> 00:31:31.960 Andrew Harvey: But what I'd uncovered in the Magdalene Revolution, through my own inmost experience and through her grace, is that there's another transfiguration stream, and that is through the deep tantric passion.
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:40.320 Andrew Harvey: of two people dedicated to God, and that was what was missing in Christian mysticism.
00:31:40.370 --> 00:31:59.720 Andrew Harvey: The other stream is an ascetic stream, it's very crucial, it's very important, but this stream is available to all human beings, and it's… the destruction of that stream prevented the full birth of what Jesus and Mary came to birth. So, knowing that was real.
00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:13.699 Andrew Harvey: absolutely validated everything that I'd lived, and what did it matter if four unpublished books got burned? What did it matter if I lost old lifetime's treasures? What did it matter even
00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:28.259 Andrew Harvey: If I lost my beloved, because I couldn't lose her, she'll always be with me, and what was given to me in exchange for this was something that I had imagined intellectually, I'd experienced a little in the heart, but I hadn't.
00:32:28.420 --> 00:32:34.899 Andrew Harvey: Begun to imagine living consciously in the cells.
00:32:34.910 --> 00:32:35.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:32:36.170 --> 00:32:55.940 Andrew Harvey: So you come to a place, I'm sure you've been to it yourself, Sam, when you face an ordeal which nearly wipes you out, and then rewards you with a realization that goes beyond words, that is so much vaster than any of the healing that you imagine.
00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.769 Andrew Harvey: Because we imagine healing in terms of the consciousness that we're in now.
00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:19.270 Andrew Harvey: And very often, we go through tremendous suffering and disappointment and darkness, and think there'll never be healing, and then the healing happens, and we realize that we could not have begun to imagine the blessing, the grace, the
00:33:19.320 --> 00:33:22.020 Andrew Harvey: Unbelievable place.
00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:36.390 Andrew Harvey: of the healing that God had prepared for us through what we felt was persistent failure and abandonment and betrayal. It's an astounding part of the authentic mystical journey, isn't it?
00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:43.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, 100%, 100%. I mean, it's the most challenging and the most beautiful at the same time.
00:33:44.310 --> 00:33:44.770 Andrew Harvey: Yes.
00:33:44.770 --> 00:33:56.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to take a quick break. When we come back, I want to talk about the Gospel of Mary, which I'm sure most people haven't heard of before, and really.
00:33:56.390 --> 00:34:07.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what your… the Magdalene Revolution, what your hope is for it, what you want people to be inspired from out of it.
00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:09.710 Andrew Harvey: Okay.
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:10.520 Andrew Harvey: Fair.
00:34:10.520 --> 00:34:25.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. Our guest this hour is Andrew Harvey, author of the book, The Magdalene Revolution. Highly recommend it. And we'll be right back in just a moment.
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:46.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So before we start again, I see that we do have a comment from loyal listener Bahar.
00:35:46.280 --> 00:36:02.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on Facebook, who says, in a world that often feels chaotic and overwhelming, this hour brings a sense of calm, clarity, and perspective. Thank you for creating a space that encourages conscious thinking and meaningful reflection. Thank you so much, Bakar, for your…
00:36:02.090 --> 00:36:04.720 Andrew Harvey: Oh, beautiful. Very kind. Oh, beautiful.
00:36:05.540 --> 00:36:23.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, as you mentioned, you did a lot of study into Mary Magdalene, who she was, and writings you could find about her, and you mentioned the Gospel of Mary. I have a sneaking suspicion most people haven't heard of the Gospel of Mary, so what is the Gospel of Mary?
00:36:24.350 --> 00:36:33.710 Andrew Harvey: Well… The Gospel of Mary is a Gnostic Gospel, and it has the most extraordinary account of Mary
00:36:34.130 --> 00:36:40.819 Andrew Harvey: Giving a teaching that she'd received directly from the Cosmic Christ.
00:36:40.830 --> 00:36:59.959 Andrew Harvey: And it describes her giving this teaching, which is very vast and very extraordinary, and shows what a profound, mystical adept she is to a group of very weird and weirded-out and jealous disciples. So it sets up perfectly the whole theme of the book, which was that
00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:19.610 Andrew Harvey: the Boys Club couldn't stand who she really was, couldn't stand the intensity and intimacy and completeness of her relationship with Jesus, and couldn't stand that she got to a level of mystical truth and mystical absorption and mystical embodiment that transcended theirs.
00:37:19.680 --> 00:37:31.940 Andrew Harvey: But that's not the fundamental focus of the book, because that comes from another amazing gospel, which is called the Gospel of the Beloved Companion.
00:37:32.250 --> 00:37:50.129 Andrew Harvey: And this gospel was translated by a wonderful woman called Jean de Cayenne, and it was preserved for 1,000 years in secret, 2,000 years in secret, through a succession of different people in France.
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:56.909 Andrew Harvey: And she decided to publish it at last in 2010.
00:37:57.080 --> 00:38:00.330 Andrew Harvey: And she risked tremendous
00:38:00.460 --> 00:38:13.500 Andrew Harvey: pain and rejection doing so, but what this Gospel is, is even more important than the Gospel of Mary, because it is Mary Magdalene's own gospel.
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.069 Andrew Harvey: It's written in Alexandrian Greek.
00:38:17.240 --> 00:38:26.589 Andrew Harvey: She probably wrote it after the resurrection, before she came to France, where she lived the last part of her life.
00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:39.799 Andrew Harvey: And it has 6 revelations in it, which are absolutely essential. And if you don't mind, I'd love to read you the passage that I talk about these 6 revelations.
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:40.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Jesus.
00:38:41.250 --> 00:38:57.219 Andrew Harvey: The first revelation is that this Gospel makes it absolutely clear that the marriage of Cana, which was the place where Jesus did his first miracle, was actually the marriage of Mary Magdalene and himself. She recounts that.
00:38:57.220 --> 00:39:08.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I remember someone pointing out that, why would Jesus' mother come to him to say, we're running out of food and wine, to ask Him to do something if it wasn't his wedding?
00:39:10.580 --> 00:39:19.799 Andrew Harvey: Well, that's true, but there's a deeper significance, which I go into at the beginning of the book, which is that Mary, as the embodied Divine Mother.
00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:29.579 Andrew Harvey: unleashes Jesus' mystical powers at a marriage, because the deepest significance of Jesus' mission is that he is.
00:39:29.690 --> 00:39:30.570 Andrew Harvey: B.
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:39.950 Andrew Harvey: incarnation of the sacred marriage. But having it be his marriage makes it even more embodied and amazing.
00:39:40.620 --> 00:39:53.729 Andrew Harvey: The second revelation in the book is that Jesus did not call himself the Son of God. He called himself and was called by her the Son of humanity, the Son of Man.
00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:54.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sure.
00:39:54.190 --> 00:40:09.040 Andrew Harvey: So this completely grounds, embodies Jesus as the divine within all of us, not some unique incarnation, a being with a unique message, which was to reveal our
00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:21.419 Andrew Harvey: unique incarnation of God to ourselves. Third, the Jesus of Mary Magdalene constantly stressed his union with the motherhood of God. They cut all of that out.
00:40:21.450 --> 00:40:21.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But…
00:40:21.970 --> 00:40:33.579 Andrew Harvey: Her Jesus, the Jesus she knew, refers to God as Father, but also often as Mother, showing the intensity of the depth of the meaning of the sacred marriage to Him.
00:40:33.980 --> 00:40:35.470 Andrew Harvey: And fools.
00:40:35.700 --> 00:40:54.410 Andrew Harvey: she describes the single one they became when they merged together, the anthropos, what's called the anthropos in the Gnostic Gospels, which is the being that is born from the marriage of opposites within him, or,
00:40:55.240 --> 00:41:08.580 Andrew Harvey: Fifth, the Gospels of Lovely Companion confirms modern writings on the Magdalene, and that is that it's Mary Magdalene, not John, who leans tenderly against Jesus' breast at the Last Supper.
00:41:09.770 --> 00:41:26.129 Andrew Harvey: And it's Mary Magdalene, not John, to whom Jesus from the cross confers the care of his mother, symbolically making Mary Magdalene his sister, and mystically revealing her as the daughter of the divine human embodied mother, his own.
00:41:26.410 --> 00:41:27.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:42.690 Andrew Harvey: This completely changes everything, but even more incredibly in this amazing gospel. If you're listening to this, my friends, go out and buy the Gospel of the Beloved Companion and read it. It is a
00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:47.729 Andrew Harvey: condensed mystical masterpiece by the magnan herself.
00:41:47.810 --> 00:41:54.180 Andrew Harvey: And it ends with this astounding teaching that she gave.
00:41:54.180 --> 00:42:04.540 Andrew Harvey: to the disciples a week after the resurrection, when they were all shattered, fearful, despairing, and she who had seen him
00:42:04.540 --> 00:42:14.649 Andrew Harvey: came to them and very tenderly, not only consoled them and embraced them and said, don't worry, it's going to be alright. She gave.
00:42:14.680 --> 00:42:26.609 Andrew Harvey: a unique teaching as a realized, embodied, divine woman. It's an unprecedented teaching on the ascension journey that
00:42:26.610 --> 00:42:36.280 Andrew Harvey: retransmitted to her a little bit before the resurrection to make her strong enough to go through the crucifixion. And it is an astounding
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:46.300 Andrew Harvey: Astounding teaching, where she imagines she's given a vision of this great tree of life with seven boughs on it, and she describes the
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:56.969 Andrew Harvey: ascension through the tree, and the final revelation, which is that she merges with what she calls the white lady, the
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:04.430 Andrew Harvey: Mother of Light, Sophia, or the Eternal Mother, and becomes one with her, and…
00:43:04.870 --> 00:43:17.599 Andrew Harvey: is realized as what Jesus says in the teaching as the completion of completion. Someone who's fully human and fully divine, just as he.
00:43:18.260 --> 00:43:19.420 Andrew Harvey: And this is…
00:43:19.660 --> 00:43:30.819 Andrew Harvey: probably the greatest single teaching of the path to divinization given humanity. It's not just an amazing teaching, it's one of the
00:43:31.240 --> 00:43:49.529 Andrew Harvey: To my mind, it's the most extraordinary teaching, and it's especially amazing because it comes from a woman. Most of the great teachings of humanization have come from illumined men, but this teaching has a particular texture, richness, depth, because it comes from
00:43:49.530 --> 00:43:53.129 Andrew Harvey: The profound depths of the feminine.
00:43:53.370 --> 00:43:59.029 Andrew Harvey: And that is indispensable, I think, for our future evolution.
00:43:59.150 --> 00:44:01.620 Andrew Harvey: Though it ends my… my own…
00:44:02.310 --> 00:44:11.119 Andrew Harvey: what happened after the death of my cat was that I had to finish the book in two weeks because of my publishers.
00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:25.959 Andrew Harvey: And I didn't sleep at all, and I took this teaching, and after what I had been through, I experienced it at a completely radically new level, and was able, with her help, to give the clearest possible
00:44:26.230 --> 00:44:33.910 Andrew Harvey: explanation from my own experience and from cloud guidance of what these different stages were, and it was…
00:44:34.100 --> 00:44:42.329 Andrew Harvey: Huge, and it led to the revelation of what she was doing in the cave, because what happened was so extraordinary.
00:44:42.540 --> 00:44:47.909 Andrew Harvey: not only did the resurrection of Jesus, because she witnessed it.
00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:58.980 Andrew Harvey: activate at a wholly new level her own divinization process. She was able to give the most astounding teaching from it a week after. Then she was…
00:44:59.540 --> 00:45:10.270 Andrew Harvey: sent to France, ejected from Israel because of what was going on there after the death of Jesus, and she arrived in France, and she started to…
00:45:10.510 --> 00:45:24.060 Andrew Harvey: do miracles, and she started to preach in the most extraordinary way, so she became the living female Christ in France, and then she spent the last 30 years of her life in this cave.
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:36.570 Andrew Harvey: And what I was able to intuit from what I experienced after my cat died, and what I experienced writing this meticulous commentary with no sleeve.
00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:40.629 Andrew Harvey: Having just lost everything, was that…
00:45:40.630 --> 00:46:01.320 Andrew Harvey: In that cave, what she was doing was marrying the resurrection light, this new light that was birthing a new creation to her mind, her heart, her soul, and her body, so that she became the mother of the new creation of the new divine human.
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:11.649 Andrew Harvey: That is the true secret of mystical Christianity, and that is now trying to be born everywhere on this earth, because
00:46:11.770 --> 00:46:25.760 Andrew Harvey: Many evolutionary mystics like myself know, in the depths of themselves, that what we're going through is a global dark night that could potentially, of course, destroy us, but could also potentially
00:46:26.130 --> 00:46:35.840 Andrew Harvey: resurrect us into the truth of our essential nature, which is that we are one with the One.
00:46:36.090 --> 00:46:39.550 Andrew Harvey: In all of our being.
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:57.899 Andrew Harvey: And that this is… this oneness is what the restoration of the Christian Tantra, of the tantric ecstasy between the two and its enormous power, makes possible. So, I am completely thrilled that I lived to be able to write this journey for people.
00:46:58.170 --> 00:47:03.679 Andrew Harvey: And you asked me that wonderful question, what do I hope people get from it?
00:47:03.890 --> 00:47:07.230 Andrew Harvey: Well, I hope for four things, really.
00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:20.800 Andrew Harvey: The first thing I hope is that people get a very thrilling vision of the entire universe, through understanding at the deepest level what the sacred marriage offers.
00:47:21.060 --> 00:47:26.150 Andrew Harvey: Fundamentally, There is one reality, but it manifests
00:47:26.470 --> 00:47:34.400 Andrew Harvey: all realities, all manifested realities, through this dance of opposites, through Sheba's dance, through Kali's dance.
00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:40.470 Andrew Harvey: That's… and that is thrilling, because it means that the eternal light
00:47:41.160 --> 00:47:45.960 Andrew Harvey: is behind everything. It's a vast yes.
00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:51.470 Andrew Harvey: And once you connect with that yes that is behind everything.
00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:57.039 Andrew Harvey: then an extraordinary hope and energy is born in you. That's the first thing.
00:47:57.380 --> 00:48:01.670 Andrew Harvey: The second thing that I long for people to get from this book is
00:48:01.720 --> 00:48:08.159 Andrew Harvey: A true vision of this glorious woman that was so demeaned and degraded.
00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:26.769 Andrew Harvey: but who represents the feminine in all of its aspects. She had ferocity, she was a warrior, she had infinite powers of endurance, she was tender, she was ecstatic, and she gave herself totally in heart, mind, soul, and body to him, and he gave
00:48:26.770 --> 00:48:30.459 Andrew Harvey: Himself to her, and together they formed.
00:48:30.570 --> 00:48:42.419 Andrew Harvey: and birthed a creative love force that is capable of transfiguring human history. That's the second thing I'd love people to get.
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:48.700 Andrew Harvey: The third thing is that I'd love them to get a wholly new vision of Jesus, because
00:48:49.020 --> 00:49:03.240 Andrew Harvey: The… Jesus, of course, had an unbelievably beautiful and holy influence on so many people by the sheer radiance and fearlessness and glory and passion and courage of his personality.
00:49:03.240 --> 00:49:10.309 Andrew Harvey: But by making him celibate and asexual, they distanced him for us.
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:23.960 Andrew Harvey: And by bringing his fullness back, how amazing to have a complete relationship as one person to another person on this road to divinization with
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:31.700 Andrew Harvey: Jesus. I'm living in Kashmir, and one of the most extraordinary things about Islam is that it had a sexual prophet.
00:49:31.700 --> 00:49:44.050 Andrew Harvey: he had wives. He talked about the union between a man and a woman, potentially, I believe, between a man and a man and a woman and a woman, but of course, it's conveyed heterosexually.
00:49:44.090 --> 00:49:59.599 Andrew Harvey: as being one half of the path, and that makes Islam so humane and so grounded in the way that Christianity has never been. But now it can be. And the last thing I would love people to get from this book is…
00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:06.340 Andrew Harvey: A sense of where we need to go now.
00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:22.839 Andrew Harvey: Because if the sacred marriage is the ultimate vision of yes, and the ultimate vision of how reality happens, and it's in all the mystical traditions, they all acknowledge it at one level or another as being the fundamental image of mystical truths.
00:50:22.940 --> 00:50:29.649 Andrew Harvey: If that's the ultimate truth, then what is happening now, and what's happening now.
00:50:29.650 --> 00:50:45.430 Andrew Harvey: You can see clearly, after a while is the demented, dissociated masculine trying to take everything over, to control everything, and failing disastrously, and creating situation after situation of massive self.
00:50:45.430 --> 00:50:46.500 Andrew Harvey: Destruction.
00:50:46.860 --> 00:51:02.930 Andrew Harvey: That is so frightening in one way, but if you have an internal image of the sacred marriage, then you realize that help can be on the way through the return of the sacred feminine in men, and women, and gay people, and straight people, and…
00:51:02.930 --> 00:51:15.359 Andrew Harvey: And in our vision of how we do everything, from how we talk to each other, from our… to our politics, to our economic policies, to our arts.
00:51:15.510 --> 00:51:27.399 Andrew Harvey: And that, I believe, is the source of the seeding, the golden seeding of the birth that's trying to take place in this death of an embodied
00:51:27.540 --> 00:51:28.620 Andrew Harvey: Divine.
00:51:28.680 --> 00:51:35.389 Andrew Harvey: humanity. And I know it's true, because it's happening in its very beginning, ragged.
00:51:35.390 --> 00:51:53.080 Andrew Harvey: humbling stages in myself, and I've met it in so many people I know on the earth, Buddhists, Hindus. This great process, this great kundalini embodiment process is happening now, and I want people to have
00:51:53.420 --> 00:52:08.230 Andrew Harvey: the great hope that I have from knowing that that's true, and knowing that it would take a great deal of suffering for it to be born on the earth, but it can, and I believe now, will be born on the earth. And that gives me the…
00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:20.129 Andrew Harvey: strength and the energy and the hope to go on pouring myself out, and I believe that it will give anybody else who plugs… puts their plug into the electric socket of the Magdalene Revolution to go on
00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:35.599 Andrew Harvey: Pouring themselves out in what may be very, very dangerous situations, but with great peace, great calm, great patience, great joy, knowing that there is a point in this seemingly terminal.
00:52:36.870 --> 00:52:43.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I have two last questions for you, and we just have a few minutes to finish up. The first being.
00:52:43.390 --> 00:52:56.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: do you have a sense of why these teachings were hidden for 2,000 years? Like, why did it take this long for them to come out? And the second question is, do you still feel Mary with you?
00:52:58.070 --> 00:53:08.930 Andrew Harvey: Well, the first question is very easily answered. To actually release them once the Boys Club had taken over Christianity in Constantine's time risked death.
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:09.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Huh.
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:17.380 Andrew Harvey: They had to be kept secret. Cathars who kept them secret were horribly persecuted, and…
00:53:17.600 --> 00:53:25.779 Andrew Harvey: To be in her lineage, to keep the teachings alive, actually And to reveal them could…
00:53:26.140 --> 00:53:29.120 Andrew Harvey: seized you were genocided, so…
00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:29.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.639 Andrew Harvey: That's the answer for that one. And the second… and the other answer is that humanity wasn't ready.
00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:36.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:53:36.260 --> 00:53:43.420 Andrew Harvey: I don't think that humanity has been ready for the full revelation of the Christ consciousness, because
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:59.950 Andrew Harvey: the patriarchal structure, the patriarchal sexual world created by the Boys Club was so body-hating, sex-hating, and before the sexual liberation of the last 60, 70 years.
00:53:59.950 --> 00:54:07.770 Andrew Harvey: Human beings were still so totally trapped in that mindset that they couldn't have begun to appreciate the glorious freedom
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:13.920 Andrew Harvey: the children… the liberty of the children of God that… that was being offered by this vision.
00:54:14.230 --> 00:54:18.739 Andrew Harvey: And… yes, she is, absolutely. How could she not be? I mean, she…
00:54:19.060 --> 00:54:26.129 Andrew Harvey: she… she burnt my life to the ground and resurrected me. What more could I possibly have in terms of intimacy?
00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:37.689 Andrew Harvey: And I've been… it goes deeper and deeper. It's… it's a very extraordinary experience, but it's honestly all… it sounds very grand. I'm not claiming it just for me. I know.
00:54:37.820 --> 00:54:41.170 Andrew Harvey: Thousands of people who are having
00:54:41.210 --> 00:54:59.850 Andrew Harvey: similar, amazing experiences of transformation with there. We're all equals, we're all part of this Pentecost, we all bring some unique flavor to it, but I couldn't have written my book without Cynthia Bugeot's great book, without Anne van der Meer's great book.
00:55:00.190 --> 00:55:07.719 Andrew Harvey: The amazing, heroic women, and we all recognize each other as carrying a part of the…
00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:14.320 Andrew Harvey: singing a part of the great mass of the return of the Magdalene Consciousness.
00:55:16.310 --> 00:55:18.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:23.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Andrew, thank you so much for taking the time to come on my show today.
00:55:23.980 --> 00:55:32.109 Andrew Harvey: It's always a pleasure, Sam. I love you, I love the work you're doing, I love the seriousness and clarity and passion with which you're doing it.
00:55:32.310 --> 00:55:37.279 Andrew Harvey: And I just wish you every conceivable joy, and everybody listening.
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:41.179 Andrew Harvey: Every conceivable joy in the wild days ahead.
00:55:41.370 --> 00:55:44.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, thank you, thank you.
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:51.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, if people want to learn more about you, learn more about your teachings, about sacred activism.
00:55:51.410 --> 00:55:53.420 Andrew Harvey: AndrewRP.net.
00:55:53.490 --> 00:56:07.329 Andrew Harvey: I'm on YouTube, but the truth is that you learn more about what I'm really about by reading the Magdalene Revolution slowly, and taking it into your heart as a letter written from my soul to your soul.
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:16.979 Andrew Harvey: And I feel that if you do do that, then everything that I have ever wanted to communicate to you would be communicated to you.
00:56:16.980 --> 00:56:22.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you, Andrew. Again, andrewharvey.net.
00:56:22.710 --> 00:56:27.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The book, The Magdalene Revolution, highly, highly recommend it.
00:56:28.200 --> 00:56:38.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Andrew, thank you so much. I'm wishing you all the joy and profound life that you desire in Kashmir.
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:44.099 Andrew Harvey: Back to you, my friend. Love you. Thank you so much. Bless you.
00:56:44.100 --> 00:56:56.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you, thank you. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, like Bahar, who tune in every week. Thank you so much for supporting the show and tuning in. Without you, there is no show.
00:56:56.390 --> 00:57:08.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc, all over social media, on YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter.
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