EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Jay Fiset, best-selling author, global speaker, mastermind mentor, and psychedelic educator, advocate, and guide.
Over the years, Jay has worked with thousands of entrepreneurs and leaders, helping them grow not only their businesses but themselves. His approach has always reached beyond conventional strategy, drawing on unconventional and deeply effective methods for unlocking clarity, creativity, and genuine transformation. Today, his work has expanded into one of the most important conversations of our time: the responsible, intentional use of psychedelics for healing, connection, and human potential.
Jay's path into this work began close to home. High school sweethearts with his wife Cory, partners in life and business for more than three decades, the two found themselves quietly leading parallel lives as kids, careers, and the loss of aging parents took their toll. Just before their twenty-fifth wedding anniversary, they were not sure their marriage would survive. A single, powerful MDMA journey became an unexpected doorway into reinvention, renewal, and the deepest love of their lives. Out of that experience, Jay and Cory founded The Connection Experience, a series of retreats supporting committed couples in using psychoactives to reignite intimacy, healing, and presence in fundamentally healthy relationships.
Together, Sam and Jay explore the myths and the magic of the psychedelic revolution unfolding around us. They discuss what these medicines can and cannot do, the cultural confusion still surrounding them, the importance of skilled guidance and integration, and the evolving legal landscape. Jay also shares stories from his own life and from the couples he and Cory have worked with, offering an honest look at the do's and don'ts of these experiences. This episode is an invitation to look beyond the hype and the fear and to consider what becomes possible when ancient medicines meet modern lives with care, intention, and an open heart.
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Segment 1
Sam Liebowitz opens the show with a reflection on the healing journey, reminding us that the stories we repeatedly tell ourselves keep old wounds alive — and that consciously rewriting those narratives, even before they feel true, is the most powerful path to genuine transformation. His guest, Jay Fiset, shares how he and his wife Corey found themselves living parallel lives after years of accumulated stress, grief, and disconnection, and how a profound MDMA experience cut through every excuse and justification they had built around their struggling marriage, sparking a two-year deep dive into intentional reconnection. What began as a personal Hail Mary became a calling — Jay and Corey now facilitate psychedelic-assisted experiences for couples, having witnessed firsthand how these medicines can dissolve the walls we build around our hearts and open us to the deepest love and presence we've ever known.
Segment 2
Jay Fiset draws a crucial distinction between simply dabbling in psychedelics and approaching them with what he calls "functional" intention — designing a specific medicine stack and protocol to meet people exactly where they are, whether that's a struggling marriage, a looping thought pattern, or a deep spiritual inquiry. He speaks passionately about why he refuses to stay quiet despite legal risks, believing the political, medical, and legal systems are decades behind the profound healing potential these medicines hold, and calling on others doing this work to be more vocal rather than hiding in the shadows. For anyone feeling called to explore this path, Jay offers grounded wisdom: get clear on your intention first, and then find a guide you trust so completely that you'd send your mother or daughter to them — because in these altered states, your body, mind, and soul are fully exposed, and nothing less than a wholehearted "yes" will do.
00:00:45.490 --> 00:01:09.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another wonderful show in store for you, with an excellent guest that I'm truly looking forward to bringing on in just a moment.
00:01:09.250 --> 00:01:23.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But first, of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago, just kind of taking these in order, and I think, actually, this one's rather apropos for our conversation today. And, today's blog post is entitled.
00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:28.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When we let go of the energy of our old stories.
00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:33.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can write the story of a new life.
00:01:34.660 --> 00:01:38.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Our healing path can often be frustrating.
00:01:38.580 --> 00:01:42.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Experiences and feelings from the past keep coming up.
00:01:43.270 --> 00:01:47.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We work on them and process them, yet they persist.
00:01:48.410 --> 00:01:52.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It can be confusing and depressing to keep doing our work.
00:01:52.770 --> 00:02:00.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: For it can feel like no matter how much we do, we are still, still dealing with the same issues.
00:02:01.230 --> 00:02:06.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Those formative experiences we had as children keep coming back up.
00:02:06.930 --> 00:02:11.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The pain, the trauma, the guilt, the shame.
00:02:11.630 --> 00:02:14.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It all seems to never go away.
00:02:15.750 --> 00:02:22.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: After we have been working on ourselves for months, even years, we expected to be further along.
00:02:23.440 --> 00:02:25.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When will we find relief?
00:02:25.950 --> 00:02:28.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: How do we get past all of this?
00:02:29.100 --> 00:02:35.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can feel defeated at times, as if we will never find a way to feel better.
00:02:36.550 --> 00:02:38.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yet that is never so.
00:02:39.050 --> 00:02:41.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There is always a way forward.
00:02:42.830 --> 00:02:48.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it is helpful to remember that healing is a journey and not a destination.
00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:55.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That every day we continue to do our work, we are actually getting better.
00:02:56.110 --> 00:02:59.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We just may not feel it at the time.
00:03:00.480 --> 00:03:03.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: For the reason that we continue to… for the reason…
00:03:04.300 --> 00:03:13.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That we continue to deal with the same issue is often that we are holding onto the energy of that situation.
00:03:14.260 --> 00:03:23.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We continue to feel angry, judged, shamed, belittled, even though those situations are long gone.
00:03:24.010 --> 00:03:30.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It is our own resistance that keeps those energies alive within us.
00:03:31.160 --> 00:03:41.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As we keep telling ourselves the same stories over and over again, we are only reinforcing those patterns, feelings, and behaviors.
00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To move past those feelings.
00:03:45.390 --> 00:03:51.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We must make a conscious effort to let go of those energies.
00:03:51.380 --> 00:03:56.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And change the stories we have been living into all these years.
00:03:57.590 --> 00:04:09.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When we stop seeing ourselves as a victim of our history and learn to rewrite the tales we tell ourselves, we find a new freedom.
00:04:10.610 --> 00:04:18.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Embracing the power of being the creators we truly are is the only way to change how we feel.
00:04:19.850 --> 00:04:22.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It is the path forward to a new life.
00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:29.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: In the beginning, we might not feel the new story we tell ourselves.
00:04:29.190 --> 00:04:32.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The new story might not feel true to us.
00:04:33.500 --> 00:04:35.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Keep telling it anyway.
00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The more we tell it, the more we embrace the new stories we tell.
00:04:41.050 --> 00:04:43.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The more they will feel real.
00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:51.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And once we cross that threshold, and start truly feeling that the new stories are real.
00:04:51.440 --> 00:04:56.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Then we will feel different. Then we will live a different life.
00:04:56.820 --> 00:05:01.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: All those years of working on ourselves start to pay off.
00:05:01.820 --> 00:05:04.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Even without thinking about it.
00:05:04.460 --> 00:05:06.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We are feeling better.
00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It does not happen overnight.
00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:10.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yet it does happen.
00:05:11.440 --> 00:05:14.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Stay on the path, and you will get there.
00:05:14.590 --> 00:05:17.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it will all be worth it.
00:05:19.150 --> 00:05:21.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, I wrote this blog post.
00:05:22.590 --> 00:05:29.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I think more for myself than for anybody else, because it really…
00:05:30.530 --> 00:05:37.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: you know, I've been doing spiritual and personal work for decades now.
00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:54.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And… and I find even myself, It can feel really frustrating But… The stories, the situations that… I remember…
00:05:54.680 --> 00:06:01.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, working on You know, 12, 15 years ago, 20 years ago.
00:06:01.580 --> 00:06:07.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That's still… they keep coming up. Like, there's still some energy I'm holding on to.
00:06:08.700 --> 00:06:15.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And even I remember coming to my first ceremony just over 12 years ago.
00:06:15.590 --> 00:06:19.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And the content that came up, and the energy that came up.
00:06:20.020 --> 00:06:36.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: was something I was already conscious of, like, I already knew about all this stuff, I already had thought I had processed it, worked on it, and all these things, yet still, I could feel inside of me that I was holding on to the energy in some fashion.
00:06:38.370 --> 00:06:46.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And 12 years later, still, not to the same intensity, not necessarily from the same perspective.
00:06:46.410 --> 00:06:53.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But still, I can feel… That there's still some holding on to that story.
00:06:54.840 --> 00:06:59.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And little by little, I keep tweaking the story, and changing it, and… and… and…
00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:05.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: making it one where I'm not… As much a victim
00:07:05.580 --> 00:07:11.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: but a co-creator of the situations that I'd been in when I was younger.
00:07:13.350 --> 00:07:15.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And look, I'm…
00:07:15.880 --> 00:07:23.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When I talk about, like, telling ourselves a new story, and changing how we feel about a situation.
00:07:23.590 --> 00:07:31.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I'm not saying we can spiritually bypass what we've been through. Like, if there's pain, if there's anger, if there's grief.
00:07:31.910 --> 00:07:46.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: to metabolize those energies, we have to feel it eventually. We're not gonna, you know, get out of this without really feeling the emotions that we've stopped ourselves from feeling all these years.
00:07:49.990 --> 00:07:55.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yet, once we do metabolize those energies, once we do feel those things.
00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:02.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To lean into a new direction. To move forward in a new way.
00:08:04.260 --> 00:08:17.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: one of the most powerful tools is to be conscious of, be aware of the stories we've been telling ourselves. What are those stories in the back of our mind that we keep repeating over and over again?
00:08:18.140 --> 00:08:23.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To interrupt that, and stop that, and change it, and tell a new story.
00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:28.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And of course, at first, you tell a new story.
00:08:28.890 --> 00:08:37.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It doesn't feel real, it doesn't feel true, it's hard to really hold onto it.
00:08:38.330 --> 00:08:46.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But the more we tell that new story, the more we reinforce it, the more we lean into it, the more we give that new story.
00:08:47.310 --> 00:08:48.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Our energy…
00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:56.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The more it will build, it will grow, it will solidify, and it will… will become our truth.
00:08:59.660 --> 00:09:03.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: No, look, I'm not saying that… you know.
00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:09.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: By telling ourselves a new story that, like, everything's gonna be better right away, overnight.
00:09:12.900 --> 00:09:20.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But it just… it's kind of like greasing the wheels. It just makes going in the direction that we want to go in that much easier.
00:09:20.780 --> 00:09:25.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it's a lot of effort. It's effort. It's time. It's attention.
00:09:27.050 --> 00:09:31.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it may not feel like we're changing at all, that we're getting any better.
00:09:34.740 --> 00:09:42.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Until one day, that seed we've been plant… we planted and we've been watering for so long finally sprouts.
00:09:43.870 --> 00:09:48.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And then we notice something comes out of our mouth that we were like, where did that come from?
00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:52.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we noticed we showed up in a way that was…
00:09:52.710 --> 00:09:59.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: wow, I was, like, actually able to keep myself regulated and deal with this extremely stressful situation.
00:10:01.700 --> 00:10:08.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, when we do this work where reprogramming our unconscious. We're… we're…
00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:17.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: efforting from our consciousness. We're shifting our energy And… And again, it's not easy.
00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:23.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we may not feel like we're making much progress.
00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:29.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But if we keep at it, and keep at it, and keep at it.
00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:34.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When we least expect it, that's when the shift happens.
00:10:34.660 --> 00:10:39.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That's when we… when we barely even notice it suddenly.
00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:41.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Something shifts inside of us.
00:10:43.250 --> 00:10:45.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: For some people, it can take…
00:10:45.170 --> 00:10:51.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I don't know, a month, a year, two, three years? For other people, it could take 10 years.
00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Everyone's different.
00:10:54.780 --> 00:11:02.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Everyone's level of… Of attachment to those stories is different.
00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But if we can recognize it.
00:11:06.550 --> 00:11:08.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: If we can become more aware of it.
00:11:09.950 --> 00:11:15.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we can say, no, that's not the story I want to tell about myself.
00:11:15.210 --> 00:11:21.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we shift it, and we consciously change it, and we change the words that are coming out of our mouth.
00:11:23.010 --> 00:11:25.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Inevitably, it has to happen.
00:11:26.090 --> 00:11:32.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We will start to feel better. We will start to feel different. We will start to show up differently.
00:11:32.890 --> 00:11:38.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And those stories we've been telling that haven't quite felt real, will land.
00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:44.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it will feel more real than the old stories we used to live into.
00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:58.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So that's, my blog post for this week. Again, the title is… it's a long title. When we let go of the energy of our old stories, we can write the story of a new life.
00:11:58.660 --> 00:12:07.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And, of course, you can always find my blog at theconsciousconsultant.com, and if you like my blog posts.
00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:21.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I just came out with an audio version of my book, Everyday Awakening, so you can go to Everydayawakeningbook.com, that'll take you right to the Amazon listing, and you can pick up a copy of my new audiobook while it's on sale.
00:12:21.930 --> 00:12:35.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Alright, now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show best-selling author, global speaker, mastermind mentor, and psychedelic educator, advocate, and guide, Jay Fassett.
00:12:35.730 --> 00:12:44.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Over the years, Jay has worked with thousands of entrepreneurs and leaders, helping them grow not only their businesses, but themselves.
00:12:44.580 --> 00:12:57.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: His approach has always reached beyond conventional strategy, drawing on unconventional and deeply effective methods for unlocking clarity, creativity, and genuine transformation.
00:12:57.290 --> 00:13:09.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Today, his work has expanded into one of the most important conversations of our time, the responsible, intentional use of psychedelics for healing, connection, and human potential.
00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:13.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Jay's path into this work began close to home.
00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:28.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: High school sweethearts with his wife, Corey, partners in life and business for more than three decades, the two found themselves quietly leading parallel lives as kids, careers, and the loss of aging parents took their toll.
00:13:28.730 --> 00:13:44.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Just before their 25th wedding anniversary, they were not sure their marriage would survive, a single powerful MDMA journey became an unexpected doorway into reinvention, renewal, and the deepest love of their lives.
00:13:44.910 --> 00:14:01.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Out of that experience, Jay and Corey founded The Connection Experience, a series of retreats supporting committed couples in using psychoactives to reignite intimacy, healing, and presence in fundamentally healthy relationships.
00:14:01.980 --> 00:14:04.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Jay.
00:14:04.550 --> 00:14:08.680 Jay Fiset: Well, thank you for having me. That was beautifully written. I was like, oh, I want to meet that guy.
00:14:08.680 --> 00:14:15.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I know, isn't it something when you hear someone else read your own bio, it's like, oh, wow, that's, like, pretty impressive.
00:14:15.810 --> 00:14:25.040 Jay Fiset: I think, perhaps one of… either you guys updated it, or one of my assistants updated it, or something like that. It was like, oh, that was nice. Anyway, so great to be here, Sam. Thank you for having me.
00:14:25.040 --> 00:14:38.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, you're welcome, you're welcome. Yeah, I always run through people's bios to, you know, tweak it a little bit, make it a little unique. You know, it's so interesting, actually, looking at your path, because
00:14:38.980 --> 00:14:50.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I always knew you as the online marketing guy, the JV guy, like, really just hardcore business kind of a person.
00:14:50.610 --> 00:15:01.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And then, when I heard that you had started getting into using and facilitating MDMA, it was really like, wow, Jay's getting into this?
00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:16.749 Jay Fiset: Well, you weren't the only one surprised, so was I. To be honest. But, you know, the other side of it, that what I think most people don't know in the digital… I'm going to say the digital marketing world, is that, you know, the first
00:15:16.990 --> 00:15:30.980 Jay Fiset: about 30… let's call it 25 to 30 years of my entrepreneurial life, Corey and I led an organization called Personal Best Seminars, where we put 40,000 people in Canada through this intense series of personal development programs.
00:15:31.020 --> 00:15:50.690 Jay Fiset: So our work was always personal transformation, and then, you know, you'll probably get a charge of this, and then I sort of came to this spot of, I don't want to do the personal development work anymore. It's like, I want to go work with entrepreneurs who are, like, a little, you know, sharper and more complete and more evolved, and will have more sophisticated problems.
00:15:50.690 --> 00:16:00.960 Jay Fiset: And and so I go work in that space, and I find out that the entrepreneurs are exactly the same as everybody we've been serving for 35 years, except if they made a little money, they're also princesses and assholes.
00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:01.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:04.780 Jay Fiset: So it was like, huh, here I am again. Yeah.
00:16:04.780 --> 00:16:15.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's kind of funny. It's like, people are people, just, you know what they say, if they're a little more successful, they have a little more money, it just amplifies
00:16:15.160 --> 00:16:16.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Who they already are.
00:16:16.880 --> 00:16:22.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But, you know, you seem to always have had such a great…
00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:31.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: relationship with Corey, and she was always, like, so much a part of what you did. I was actually quite surprised when,
00:16:31.560 --> 00:16:52.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: you know, I read in your bio that, like, you guys were having trouble, and you guys were, like, on the verge of not even knowing, and, you know, I've been there too, and that's the thing, it's so funny, like, people who either aren't married or divorced or something, when they see people who've been married a long time, they think, like, oh, that's so wonderful, that's so great, and there's always this idealized view.
00:16:52.940 --> 00:16:57.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But, you know, relationships are hard. They're a lot of work, aren't they?
00:16:57.490 --> 00:17:00.840 Jay Fiset: Well, they certainly can be. They certainly can be. You know,
00:17:02.650 --> 00:17:07.509 Jay Fiset: You know, this is a complex conversation. It's something that we talk about a lot, which is.
00:17:08.569 --> 00:17:11.769 Jay Fiset: Every single relationship.
00:17:12.260 --> 00:17:27.590 Jay Fiset: has challenges. And I want to just, like, underline that as clearly as I can possibly say it. And it doesn't mean that, you know, someone's addicted, or there's abuse, or, like, the vast majority of what we face and serve and support people with
00:17:27.619 --> 00:17:43.630 Jay Fiset: is this idea of parallel lives, and… and it's what Corey and I, I'm gonna say, fell into, although that's a kind of an inappropriate route to put it. But I'll share a couple of sort of prefaces that I hope
00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:47.350 Jay Fiset: People listening can resonate with, which is this.
00:17:48.470 --> 00:17:57.509 Jay Fiset: our world in North America and our lifestyle in North America, and the economy in North America.
00:17:57.910 --> 00:18:00.730 Jay Fiset: Requires too much of us.
00:18:01.020 --> 00:18:02.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:15.659 Jay Fiset: And the reality is that even in the greatest of relationships, where there's love, where there's a stand for one another, where there's a belief in one another, what transpires is that the burden of dealing with everything
00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:31.450 Jay Fiset: shifts us from the space of when, I'm gonna say when we were young and free and, you know, wilder, from this creation of a relationship and a life and a momentum into this space of coping.
00:18:31.730 --> 00:18:36.190 Jay Fiset: And I want to just really emphasize for a moment or two, like, if you're listening, and it's like.
00:18:36.510 --> 00:18:43.310 Jay Fiset: You're making excuses for all of the shit that you're doing, and that it's going to be okay. You're already deep in coping.
00:18:43.730 --> 00:19:06.329 Jay Fiset: We don't start justifying our coping until the coping's, frankly quite bothering us. So what happened for us, you know, in no uncertain terms, was we were running a couple of businesses. We had adopted our first son, Wyatt, we adopted our second son, Jackson. Those two were fire and fire and water, they did not get along.
00:19:06.330 --> 00:19:09.499 Jay Fiset: And then Corey's dad passed away.
00:19:09.600 --> 00:19:14.910 Jay Fiset: And, and her mom slipped into Alzheimer's, and Corey was doing primary care.
00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:19:16.090 --> 00:19:28.079 Jay Fiset: And all of that occurred while I sold a business that I financed, and the woman stopped paying, and I had to take it back. So we had all of these pieces
00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:32.680 Jay Fiset: That were, like, any… any one or two of them would have stretched us.
00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:33.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:19:33.070 --> 00:19:39.140 Jay Fiset: But we literally, we sat down and counted afterwards, and we had a little perspective, that we were… we were dealing with, like, 8 or 9. We moved into
00:19:39.670 --> 00:19:52.329 Jay Fiset: a good house because of the sale, and then all of a sudden that wasn't being paid for, and then we couldn't afford the house. Like, it was just, like, it was a lot. Corey slipped into depression. I was never diagnosed, but quite clearly, in hindsight, that is what was going on.
00:19:52.540 --> 00:20:00.319 Jay Fiset: And we… and I'll put in full air quotes, which I'm not… we tried to do everything we knew how to do.
00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:05.040 Jay Fiset: And… it all helped for… A couple of months.
00:20:05.300 --> 00:20:11.049 Jay Fiset: And then we find ourselves in this space of being alone together again.
00:20:11.560 --> 00:20:12.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm.
00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:23.829 Jay Fiset: And quite literally, in that process of trying everything, we were invited to take, to try MDMA, three times from 3 people I really respected,
00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:28.410 Jay Fiset: And I'd come back and talk about it, and for you, and I'd be like, a chemical in our body? Like…
00:20:28.800 --> 00:20:41.549 Jay Fiset: No way! So we'd dismiss it in about 15 seconds. Like, it was like, you're not putting some shit some guy made in a bathtub trying to make money into our bodies that is not happening. We don't do that. And then we'd go back to struggling.
00:20:41.850 --> 00:20:57.859 Jay Fiset: So, heading towards our 25th wedding anniversary, like, as a Hail Mary pass, gentlemen I know, loved, and trusted, who had been guiding Journeys for a while, offered to share with me, and I had a meaningful experience. Anyway, so that… the point that I want to get back to is this idea of…
00:20:58.310 --> 00:21:10.409 Jay Fiset: If you're coping, and the honest God of truth is, most couples are. Like, we've now been at this for 4 years, we've supported about 400 and, I'm gonna say 25 experiences with couples.
00:21:11.710 --> 00:21:29.960 Jay Fiset: even the ones that don't think they're coping, after they've done some work with us, come and say, it's like, ugh, we didn't know where we really were. We'd just gotten used to it. Anyway, so that's how we got there, and, you know, thank goodness for the intervention of, blessed psychedelics for us to see ourselves more accurately and more truly.
00:21:30.310 --> 00:21:39.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah. You know, what I love about that story is, because it's similar to mine, is that, like, the first reaction was, no, no, no, no.
00:21:40.090 --> 00:22:04.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right? I find it so interesting that, like, a lot of people think, like, oh, you got into this, you must have, like, jumped into it right away and had no reservations or anything, and the truth is, most of us do have reservations. I mean, I had personal experience back when I was in high school, you know, when I was a kid, but I hadn't done anything in decades, and when I got invited, my initial reaction was like.
00:22:04.710 --> 00:22:07.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: No, no, no, no, I don't do that anymore.
00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:14.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: but then one thing or another kind of gets you there.
00:22:15.120 --> 00:22:24.870 Jay Fiset: Can I ask you, when you say one thing or another gets you there? That moment, that threshold is something that I'm really exploring. May I ask what it was for you? Like, what was it that's like, okay.
00:22:24.870 --> 00:22:35.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, what happened was, is that the gentleman who I was good friends with at the time is actually the person who connected me to the gentleman I bought the radio station from.
00:22:35.270 --> 00:22:46.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Okay. On this one weekend, my wife was away. She went to a psychology… my wife's a psychotherapist, she went to a psychology conference in China, because she's originally from China.
00:22:46.610 --> 00:22:53.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: She's never been to a conference, a psychology conference before or since, but that one weekend, she decides to go away.
00:22:55.700 --> 00:23:04.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I have nothing to do. I mean, normally we have workshops on the weekend, I get together with friends, or we're doing something together. One weekend, this is the only weekend I have space.
00:23:05.050 --> 00:23:08.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I get this text on a Friday afternoon from my friend.
00:23:09.090 --> 00:23:12.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Open Heart Sacrament Community Open House.
00:23:13.130 --> 00:23:16.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And this long, obtuse paragraph, I have no idea what he's saying.
00:23:17.580 --> 00:23:21.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I look at the address, and it's 7 blocks from where I live in Manhattan.
00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:23.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So I'm like.
00:23:23.740 --> 00:23:32.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I haven't got anything else to do. If this is supposed to be a spiritual gathering, I should know some people there, because I was hip-deep in the spiritual community in Manhattan for years now.
00:23:32.820 --> 00:23:40.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I show up, he's not even there, I see all these people, nobody I know, which immediately got my attention, because
00:23:40.510 --> 00:23:52.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I know, like, everyone in the spiritual community in Manhattan. Who are these people? I meet the guy whose apartment it was, who was the facilitator, and then my friend finally shows up, and I'm like, what gives? And he goes.
00:23:52.550 --> 00:24:06.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: well, you know, you heard of ayahuasca? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, people have been trying to get me to do that for the last 3 or 4 years. Puking all night long in a bucket is not my idea of a spiritual experience. And he's like, no, no, no, what we do is much gentler, I think you'll really like it. Hey, we're doing a…
00:24:06.990 --> 00:24:21.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: ceremony tomorrow in Brooklyn, why don't you come? And I'm like, you know, thanks, but no thanks, because by that point, I've studied in mystery schools, spiritual teachers, energy healers, and everyone was pretty negative on the idea of using substances.
00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:26.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So… but I leave, and I'm walking the 7 blocks back to my apartment, and I'm thinking to myself.
00:24:27.730 --> 00:24:28.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know what?
00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:41.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: This is the one weekend in the entire year I actually have space to say yes. I mean, I can try this once. Once isn't gonna damage my soul for all eternity.
00:24:41.060 --> 00:24:52.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And if I don't like it, I never have to see any of these people again, because I didn't know anybody except my friend Alex, so… so I call them up the next morning, I say, okay, I'll go. And so I went, and I had…
00:24:52.330 --> 00:24:56.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, a huge experience that set me on this path 12 years ago now.
00:24:57.340 --> 00:25:11.269 Jay Fiset: I love that. And what I also love, Sam, just in terms of it, is this idea of exploring it, and I have, I think one of my greatest lessons, and Corey and I were actually talking about this in Denver a couple days ago.
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.860 Jay Fiset: there's a lot of words that I'm just gonna summarize. It's like.
00:25:18.050 --> 00:25:22.820 Jay Fiset: through the personal development work that I did for so many years, I… I got very…
00:25:23.060 --> 00:25:33.859 Jay Fiset: handy and talented and skilled at utilizing a particular frame of reference for my life, for my world, and for how things are gonna go. And it led to both certainty and righteousness.
00:25:33.890 --> 00:25:44.510 Jay Fiset: And, and what… which, by the way, worked pretty goddamn well for me in almost every aspect of my life, up until, you know.
00:25:45.040 --> 00:25:45.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Until didn't.
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:47.680 Jay Fiset: 15 years into my marriage.
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:55.599 Jay Fiset: But it's so funny, because I see it so clearly now, of people who are
00:25:55.670 --> 00:26:00.120 Jay Fiset: certain, self-righteous, or afraid, all of which is fine. I've been there.
00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:16.369 Jay Fiset: But I love your view of just, listen, I'm just gonna try it. And that's my whole stand with everyone, is like, listen, you don't know until you try, and if you're not gonna try it, and you haven't had the experience, then you can't bullshit yourself around what this is. And can I lean in on this just for a moment? Because it's one of my pet peeves.
00:26:17.790 --> 00:26:26.870 Jay Fiset: So I used to be very polite at the… which might be hard to believe, but I used to be very polite at the beginning of the psychedelic work, where people came.
00:26:26.870 --> 00:26:50.689 Jay Fiset: I can get to that state through meditation. I don't like that stuff. And I used to say, well, that's nice for you. And now I'm just at the spot of it's like, well, actually, just to be perfectly clear about this, you can get to an older state through meditation. And by the way, if you can do that, that's spectacular for you. What you can't do is get your amygdala to go and have a holiday, which there's only one scientifically proven product on planet Earth that actually does that, which is this thing called MDMA.
00:26:50.800 --> 00:26:54.149 Jay Fiset: So, let's just be clear that we're not talking about the same thing.
00:26:54.230 --> 00:27:07.029 Jay Fiset: We're talking… the altered states are the same. However, this point is different, and you can't do that. So if you'd like to have the experience and we could talk about it afterwards, then we could do that. But let's… let's just be very clear that these two things are not the same.
00:27:07.030 --> 00:27:18.730 Jay Fiset: Right. So anyway, I'm just getting more and more pointed about what is and what isn't the same for folks, and they don't need to change… they don't need to change in any way, shape, or form, but I'm just not willing to have the conversations
00:27:19.060 --> 00:27:22.389 Jay Fiset: Around ignorance, assumption, and projection any longer.
00:27:22.560 --> 00:27:36.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right, right, yeah, absolutely, because there are a lot of assumptions, there are a lot of projections around this work, and, you know, it… to me, what I see a lot sometimes is
00:27:37.860 --> 00:27:39.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Fear of the unknown.
00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:50.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Because until you've had the experience, it's very much an unknown. And even once you've had the experience, you're never going to have the same experience twice, so every experience is a new unknown.
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So many people are so afraid of the unknown.
00:27:55.140 --> 00:28:02.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And they're so afraid of just surrendering and being present to whatever's gonna be.
00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:10.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And so… I've learned that Over my last 12 years is that nobody's gonna show up before they're ready.
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:17.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: If it's not their time, it's not their time, and if it is their time, wild horses are not going to be able to keep them away.
00:28:18.800 --> 00:28:19.850 Jay Fiset: Love that.
00:28:19.850 --> 00:28:20.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So…
00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:30.999 Jay Fiset: I want to hear this question, no?
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:41.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's handle this question when we come back from break, because we're going to go to break in just a minute. But before we go to break, I just wanted to ask you one question.
00:28:42.510 --> 00:28:49.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: there's a big difference between just trying and engaging in something like MDMA, and then
00:28:49.930 --> 00:28:53.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Becoming a real advocate for it, offering it to people and stuff.
00:28:54.390 --> 00:29:03.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: what was it that got you to sort of tip over the edge and say, wow, not only does this help to me, but, like, I gotta share this with everyone?
00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:06.069 Jay Fiset: Yeah, that's a great question.
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:09.520 Jay Fiset: How long do we have to answer this question?
00:29:09.800 --> 00:29:13.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It's okay, the brakes are malleable.
00:29:13.590 --> 00:29:14.230 Jay Fiset: Okay.
00:29:14.370 --> 00:29:29.879 Jay Fiset: Well, quite honestly, if you had told me 5 years ago that we'd be doing this professionally, I would have said you fell and hit your head, and that's too bad for you. Like, it was not on our radar in any way, shape, or form. So what transpired for us
00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:46.140 Jay Fiset: was, I go and have that transformational experience. It's very clear to me about what is necessary. It was like a… and I know you're in New York, it was like a Broadway spotlight shone upon, me, my life, and the wall that had been built between Corey and I.
00:29:46.140 --> 00:30:01.109 Jay Fiset: And every brick of that wall had a little excuse on us, like, well, you know, sex always dies after 20 years. I said I do, and therefore I'm stuck forever. It's alright if you're not happy. Most people are not happy. All these justifications about the shitshow that we had developed.
00:30:01.850 --> 00:30:09.190 Jay Fiset: And, and it was just perfectly clear. I got 3 messages, well, actually 4 messages, or 1 message and 3 to-dos.
00:30:09.870 --> 00:30:27.779 Jay Fiset: that journey, and message one was, this is about taking care of yourself and living your life. So that was message one. And then the three to-dos was lose weight, fix my teeth, grow my hair, all self-care things that I'd let fall away as we've been leading parallel lives, and I've been taking care of everything else. And…
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.400 Jay Fiset: That's your task.
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.770 Jay Fiset: Now…
00:30:31.040 --> 00:30:48.479 Jay Fiset: it… there was no, question about it. There was… it was cellular certainty, is the best way I could describe it. So, came home a couple of days later, had the conversation with Corey, and say, listen, this is what's gonna happen, and for the first time in our negotiation, I'm trying to figure our stuff out, this isn't a, you'll do this, and I'll do this, and then we'll do this.
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.930 Jay Fiset: And then you'll do this, and I'll do this, and we'll do this. This was, I'm doing this.
00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:59.110 Jay Fiset: I love you, and I'd love for you to come along, and I expect that you can't, given how much we've been struggling and trying.
00:30:59.110 --> 00:31:02.730 Jay Fiset: And you know what? It's okay. You don't need to do a damn thing.
00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:05.459 Jay Fiset: And I do. And that's what's gonna happen.
00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:20.840 Jay Fiset: So, we have that sort of talk. That was, like, March 3rd or 4th of 2020, and of course, the world shuts down March 13th of 2020, and at the time, we're actually both pretty happy. It's like, well, the good news is we've got a couple of weeks to talk about this.
00:31:21.370 --> 00:31:24.830 Jay Fiset: That couple of weeks turned into a couple of years.
00:31:25.100 --> 00:31:39.759 Jay Fiset: Which was beautiful, by the way, because we spoke for thousands of hours, with the assistance of, at that stage, again, it was only mushrooms, mushrooms at the beginning, a little bit of cannabis, like, so we're… and I think about a year later, we got our hands on LSD.
00:31:40.990 --> 00:31:47.500 Jay Fiset: And then… and it wasn't MDMA for a while. Anyway, so we were experimenting, just trying to drop the barriers to have meaningful conversations.
00:31:47.700 --> 00:32:12.150 Jay Fiset: And then we created this thing that we called our Ritual Adventures, which was every 6 weeks, we would go through this process of intentional connection, 5-day lead-up, a night at a hotel, 5-day integration process, that we lived, quite literally, for 2 years. Now, in that time frame, together, we lose 60 pounds, we transform our sex life, we become better parents, we're having more fun, we have the experience of being the most loved and loving of our entire lives.
00:32:12.260 --> 00:32:24.640 Jay Fiset: And occasionally, of course, it's COVID and all that shit, so we're posting some stuff on Facebook, and people see us, because there's about 40,000 people in our world that know who we are based on the other work. And literally, during COVID, Sam.
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:35.179 Jay Fiset: people would come to our door, which in Canada was illegal, you can't do that, come to our door and say… and we live right by this dog park, so they'd walk their dogs, and they'd come down, and it's like, what are you doing?
00:32:35.530 --> 00:32:36.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And helping…
00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:45.200 Jay Fiset: can you help us? And at that stage of the game, we got to the spot where we were really committed, and it's like, listen, we're just trying to stay married at this stage, and we don't have a fucking clue how to help you. Like, we don't.
00:32:46.950 --> 00:32:54.760 Jay Fiset: So, so that happened for a long while. And then, of course, as we were getting salt, more salt and stronger, it was like, we'd be… we'd be on a journey, it's like.
00:32:55.120 --> 00:33:06.490 Jay Fiset: this couple that we love, what about them? Like, wouldn't this make a difference for them? And so that went on for a while, and then we ultimately decided to go and get certified. So we went and did an underground training two years in.
00:33:06.770 --> 00:33:22.500 Jay Fiset: Mainly to get supply… safe supply to medicine, because we knew that we were going to continue for ourselves, and to just see if we… if we learn more about this, could what we experienced be replicated? So we went and did the training in August of 22.
00:33:22.860 --> 00:33:26.669 Jay Fiset: And left there going, we're gonna beta test our idea.
00:33:27.060 --> 00:33:27.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:33:27.610 --> 00:33:41.249 Jay Fiset: And that beta test has turned into an entire business that certifies guides, that we do a bunch of couples work, we do a bunch of individual work, we serve a variety of different medicines based upon intention and support. But good… good lord, I…
00:33:41.590 --> 00:33:49.100 Jay Fiset: I absolutely would have bet in my life we would never be doing this. Never. But never seemed to be a much shorter time than I thought.
00:33:49.100 --> 00:34:04.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah. Funny how that works, isn't it? All right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll answer that question that someone on YouTube posted, and then we'll continue the conversation, all right?
00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:23.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Awesome. Awesome. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on talkradio.nyc and all over social media. And we'll be right back with our guest, Jay Fassett, in just a moment.
00:35:37.890 --> 00:35:43.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And welcome back to The Conscious Consultant, Our Awakening Humanity.
00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:54.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, we got a question on YouTube from Create901-something, who said, do you guys do psychedelics? I want to try DMT.
00:35:55.390 --> 00:36:04.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Well, the title of this episode is Myths and Magic of the Psychedelic Revolution, so yes, we are talking about psychedelics.
00:36:04.590 --> 00:36:11.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And, and… but MDMA… see, we're talking a lot about MDMA,
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:21.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And technically, MDMA is an intactogen, which falls under psychedelics, but it's not the traditional. You know, psychedelics
00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:37.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: my understanding is that traditional psychedelics, things like LSD, ayahuasca, DMT, various forms of DMT, they're very visual, they're, they're very,
00:36:37.520 --> 00:36:45.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Not just mind-altering, but… but they're very much a… a visual and ecstatic… and a…
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:57.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: an energetic state, whereas things like MDMA are intactogens, which are more about the feelings, and not really about the visuals, it's more about the feeling essence of it.
00:36:57.210 --> 00:37:05.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: However, they're very closely intertwined, and as you mentioned, like you did, you know, mushrooms are in there, and other things.
00:37:07.240 --> 00:37:14.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I'm curious about what kind of reaction you initially got from people when you started offering this, because it was something
00:37:14.790 --> 00:37:34.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I mean, I guess not necessarily, but kind of different from what people had known you from before. So, when people started to find out that you were offering this and doing this, like, were people supportive? Were they shocked? Were they upset? You know, I'm just curious, would someone in your kind of position, when you made that transition, what it was like?
00:37:34.290 --> 00:37:39.859 Jay Fiset: A little bit all over the map, you know, is the honest goodness truth.
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:58.879 Jay Fiset: most of the folks who have done work with us, at least in the beginning, were all folks that had worked with us for decades prior. So… and what we would hear time and again is, like, listen, I've been curious about this, but there's absolutely been nobody that I've trusted enough to actually take the leap.
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:21.579 Jay Fiset: because it's you and Corey, we're in. So we heard that more than any other single determining factor of, you know, why now, why psychedelics, why us? It was like, I can trust you, I've been curious, I'm gonna try it. So that absolutely… but there were also, at the same time, there were folks who pulled away. You know, I spent, you know, I don't know, better part of 20 years speaking on stages, maybe that's too much, in terms of the U.S.
00:38:21.580 --> 00:38:36.700 Jay Fiset: just for clarity, so we're all on the same page, I've spent, like, 35 years speaking on stages, but really it was only the last 15, maybe 17 years in the U.S, so… but I, you know, I've had people ask me, say, hey, would you come speak about X, but you can't talk about psychedelics? I'm like, no.
00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:52.980 Jay Fiset: So I talk about what I talk about, or we don't. And it's like, well, my audience is… it's like, I don't care about your audience. This is… and I don't mean that in a mean way, it's just that I am not going to filter or stop talking about what has been the most meaningful experience of my entire life, because you think that
00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:59.759 Jay Fiset: they might not like it. It's like, they're welcome to not like it, and it's not… not going to be said. So anyway, so it's cost me some stages.
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:06.049 Jay Fiset: I absolutely know that there are some folks in our world that have pulled back and withdrawn a little bit.
00:39:06.050 --> 00:39:15.319 Jay Fiset: And that's okay. Like, I'm so fine with it. It's… it is not for everyone by any stretch of the imagination. We all need to make our own choices.
00:39:15.470 --> 00:39:30.090 Jay Fiset: And the other side of it, and this has always been my view, every business I have ever built has been about something that I've experienced, that made a meaningful difference in my life, that then I tried to codify and build something that was significant and meaningful, and then see if it helped other folks.
00:39:30.090 --> 00:39:37.200 Jay Fiset: And that has never changed. Every single business I have ever built has been that, and same is true for psychedelics.
00:39:38.490 --> 00:39:43.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And… and you're relatively public, and you're pretty active
00:39:43.680 --> 00:39:57.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: even though still the things are relatively illegal in Canada, there's still… I mean, certain states here in the United States, they're legal, but federally, things are still illegal. Why are you so public?
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:07.050 Jay Fiset: Well, that's a good question. For the same reason I was just talking about. So, here's… and I'm gonna get on my little soapbox for a brief moment, Sam.
00:40:08.220 --> 00:40:09.600 Jay Fiset: In short
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:20.660 Jay Fiset: The legal system, the political system, the medical system is about 25 years behind. The laws, the structures, and the execution of them are outdated, inappropriate, and actually straight-out freaking harmful.
00:40:20.890 --> 00:40:21.820 Jay Fiset: Yeah. So…
00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:41.810 Jay Fiset: there isn't a much… there isn't a whole bunch of time or space for a bunch of, what I'm gonna call chicken shit people to say, hey, we do psychedelics, but don't tell anyone because all those people who actually could use it, oh, that could be dangerous. Like, that's bullshit. Like, I just… it's inappropriate for the stand and the place that we are in humanity right now.
00:40:41.850 --> 00:40:52.999 Jay Fiset: Psychedelics has a capacity to transform all three of those arenas. Political arena, legal arena, the medical arena, and when I say medical, that of course includes mental and physical health.
00:40:53.190 --> 00:40:54.840 Jay Fiset: So,
00:40:55.110 --> 00:41:04.680 Jay Fiset: I'm just unwilling to be a chicken shit about it because it's important. And that doesn't mean that that doesn't come with some risks, because it obviously does come with some risks. So, for us, you know, and Corey and I have had
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:09.740 Jay Fiset: More hours of conversation on this than you can shake a stick at, because,
00:41:10.210 --> 00:41:29.930 Jay Fiset: Because of the risk, I mean, simply put. So, for us, we are very transparent, very loud, and we say anywhere and everywhere, all the time, we are psychedelic advocates, educators, and guides. And if anyone wants to have an intelligent conversation about the psychedelics and what it means and how it could make a difference, we would love, love, love to have that.
00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:41.240 Jay Fiset: And then if somebody wants to actually do something with us, that's where we get pretty damn careful and cautious about who we are, where you came from, what the referral is, what the process is, how that's all going to unfold, and all the rest of it.
00:41:41.380 --> 00:41:58.770 Jay Fiset: So, it's… this is too important and too significant to, frankly, be a chicken shit about. And if my stand is, and this is my invitation to anyone who's out there doing good work in this world, is if you're… if you are committed to this, if this has made a difference in your life, then you need to be more noisy about it.
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.779 Jay Fiset: I'm not saying be unsafe, but noisy.
00:42:02.290 --> 00:42:10.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, I get it, I get it. And actually, to that point, you've created a manifesto, haven't you?
00:42:10.690 --> 00:42:17.760 Jay Fiset: we have the Functional Psychedelics Manifesto, and and I'm pretty proud of it, and… you know.
00:42:18.820 --> 00:42:33.119 Jay Fiset: folks, the gentleman, or the person, I guess, that wants to try 5-MeO, or I don't even know if it's 5-MeO. I'm curious, did he mean NMDMT, or did he mean 5MAO DMT? I'm curious, those are interesting questions, because they're pretty different experiences.
00:42:34.180 --> 00:42:40.500 Jay Fiset: or for that matter, 4ACO DMT. Like, there's… there's a lot of variations in this world. Exactly.
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.470 Jay Fiset: So… The manifesto really…
00:42:44.920 --> 00:43:04.410 Jay Fiset: came as a stand over time where Corey and I created this thing called the Connection Experience, which… and by the way, you keep referencing MDMA. We actually use a very unique medicine stack that includes that, but it is not exclusively that. So I just want to broaden that, because we use a very rare and beautiful attunement medicine that
00:43:05.170 --> 00:43:22.589 Jay Fiset: you know, in our community of about 400 couples, it's the favorite of 440 of them. Like, everyone loves it. Anyway, so going back to this thing is that we would talk about the connection experience, and people who had a little bit of knowledge around psychedelics would go, oh.
00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:30.789 Jay Fiset: So you're doing couple ceremonies? I was like, no, no, no, we're not. That's not… definitely… oh, okay, now I know what it is. It's, oh, you're doing… you're doing,
00:43:31.420 --> 00:43:39.139 Jay Fiset: couples therapy. It's like, we are not qualified to do couples therapy, let us be perfectly clear about that. And they're like, so…
00:43:39.470 --> 00:43:43.810 Jay Fiset: Well, then, if it's not those two things, because lots of folks think that's all there is.
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:56.870 Jay Fiset: what the hell are you doing? And so we spent an inordinate amount of time trying to, describe these, elements, and, and ultimately, I just… I wrote this, I, this functional psychedelics manifesto to…
00:43:57.150 --> 00:44:06.479 Jay Fiset: sort of view it, if you were to think of it, you know, the way in which psychedelics have been used, traditionally. So, most folks are, you know, familiar with therapy, familiar with ceremony.
00:44:06.690 --> 00:44:29.540 Jay Fiset: So it's pretty clinical, North American-based, all the rest of it, ceremonies, pretty indigenous, has some history, has some spiritual grounding to it, often done in the jungle, like, you know, I'm exaggerating for emphasis here, but that's quite a range. But there are two other very important, traditional uses of psychedelics as well, one of which is, I'm going to call at the top, evolutionary. And evolutionary is kind of like the psychonaut.
00:44:29.540 --> 00:44:43.319 Jay Fiset: You know, if there's a new… if there's a new molecule, I'd like to meet it. I want to dance, and I want to play at the fringe of my consciousness, at this bridge between, the dual and the non-dual space. I want to know the nature of the interconnectedness of the universe, like.
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:58.270 Jay Fiset: That's the evolutionary. I want… I'm an explorer, and I want to discover. And then, at the bottom, we'll call it recreational. And recreational, and just to be clear, Corey and I aren't really big recreational folks, that's not our sort of way in the world, but the word recreation quite literally breaks down to re…
00:44:58.270 --> 00:45:03.379 Jay Fiset: creation. It has a time, it has a place, it has meaning, it has significance.
00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:10.629 Jay Fiset: So if you were to think in the middle, where a protocol and a process borrows
00:45:10.910 --> 00:45:14.360 Jay Fiset: Intentionally, deliberately, and intelligently
00:45:14.410 --> 00:45:26.330 Jay Fiset: From each of those four into a protocol and a process that identifies, let's just call it a symptom, or a problem, or a challenge, or a conundrum, and the protocol solves that
00:45:26.330 --> 00:45:39.220 Jay Fiset: problem. So, in our case, for the connection experience, the problem is the drift that North American busy couples experience in their relationship that causes them difficulty and ends relationships and causes separation and heartache.
00:45:39.380 --> 00:45:45.789 Jay Fiset: So, our protocol borrows from all four of those pieces, it's a functional psychedelics protocol, and it…
00:45:46.170 --> 00:45:57.030 Jay Fiset: Stops the drift and moves them together because they get to see one another as their true selves, and heal in the presence of the person that loves them most in the universe and that they love most in the universe.
00:45:57.030 --> 00:45:57.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:02.570 Jay Fiset: That's functional psychedelics. So I created an entire manifesto around what it actually means and why it's different.
00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:11.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I just wanted to dig in on the term a little bit. What do you mean by functional psychedelics? Like, I get the protocol, but what do you mean by functional?
00:46:11.930 --> 00:46:14.310 Jay Fiset: Well, functional in that… so…
00:46:14.420 --> 00:46:20.279 Jay Fiset: And I'm gonna go on a bit of a left turn to try and address this, and if I get carried away, just reel me back.
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Okay, you got it, you got it, Doris.
00:46:24.290 --> 00:46:25.300 Jay Fiset: So…
00:46:25.720 --> 00:46:43.610 Jay Fiset: brief rant. So, since I've been traveling and talking about all those sorts of things, I've been in a bunch of different spaces and masterminds and presentations, all those sorts of things, where somebody who happens to be a mushroom, you know, certified mushroom guide, or a, somebody down through lineages, somebody says, oh, you should do mushrooms! And it's like.
00:46:43.700 --> 00:46:46.089 Jay Fiset: And I'm like, whoa, how would you know?
00:46:46.410 --> 00:46:47.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah. Like…
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:48.240 Jay Fiset: like…
00:46:48.460 --> 00:46:57.289 Jay Fiset: the… the person is expressing curiosity, but we don't know their intention, we don't know their health, we don't know what their problem is, we don't have, like, back the hell up is, you know, so I…
00:46:57.410 --> 00:47:07.560 Jay Fiset: So, this… this idea of mushrooms being a panacea that can help with almost everything, which, by the way, may be true, which, by the way, may be.
00:47:07.560 --> 00:47:10.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There's also a wide variety of mushrooms.
00:47:11.190 --> 00:47:18.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: mushrooms, like, it's one thing. There are 300 different strains of psilocybin, so it's not just one thing.
00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:28.540 Jay Fiset: The same as San Pedro. So, we have a San Pedro microdosing line, and like, literally, there's San Pedro that is quite heart-opening, there's San Pedro that's quite activating, there's San Pedro that's quite sedative.
00:47:28.580 --> 00:47:29.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:47:29.130 --> 00:47:44.139 Jay Fiset: sedative. So, anyway, but you're exactly right, that it is not one thing. And, so when I say functional, what I mean is this, is that we as human beings are always dealing with a series of symptoms
00:47:44.180 --> 00:48:01.830 Jay Fiset: Or a series of problems. And our standard, what we train our guides and our community to work with, is let's identify what they're struggling with, and then design a protocol and a medicine profile and a medicine stack to solve that problem. So that's what I mean by functional.
00:48:01.830 --> 00:48:17.270 Jay Fiset: So this isn't going to be some, you know, wild, broad piece. It's like, listen, if you're a couple experiencing the drift, and you would like to have more intimate connections, sexual expression, and freedom and love in your relationship, this protocol will functionally help with that, and we guarantee it.
00:48:18.180 --> 00:48:18.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:48:18.690 --> 00:48:27.799 Jay Fiset: Full stop. So that's what functional means, is there is something going on that you must address. You know, I loved your opening, by the way, the letting the story go.
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.029 Jay Fiset: Do you know Trevor Hall?
00:48:30.810 --> 00:48:31.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yes, I know of Trevor.
00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:33.579 Jay Fiset: Okay, so, so, let the old story.
00:48:33.580 --> 00:48:35.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Personally, but I love his music, yes.
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:47.150 Jay Fiset: Yeah, so… so the… the… that story of, you've got to let the old story go. So, frankly, there is… when… when we're attached in a… what I'm going to call a loop, or a processing, or a hook, or…
00:48:47.150 --> 00:49:09.800 Jay Fiset: schema, or however you want to think about it. There's a particular process to help break those pieces, and that would be an example of functional psychedelics as well. So that's what functional means, is that it is… it meets people where they're at, if they can articulate what they're facing. And we help guides design, market, deliver, test all of these pieces.
00:49:09.830 --> 00:49:26.390 Jay Fiset: processes that meet clients where they're at. And this is where it's different than it's like, oh, you should do mushrooms. Well, I'm not sure that's true. Which is, but oh, I have a relationship challenge, and we're still in love, and we're still fundamentally committed, and I'm looking for something that helps us
00:49:26.580 --> 00:49:30.520 Jay Fiset: Put down the coping, and get back to creation that we got.
00:49:30.660 --> 00:49:32.010 Jay Fiset: Does that make sense?
00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:37.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yep, gotcha, 100%. But, Bert, it brings to mind sort of a different question now of.
00:49:37.600 --> 00:49:47.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Do you view working with psychedelics as purely healing work, or is this spiritual work, or is it some kind of…
00:49:47.580 --> 00:49:50.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: A blend. Or something different.
00:49:51.030 --> 00:49:58.309 Jay Fiset: Yes. Including the something different. You know, and,
00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:04.120 Jay Fiset: and I have no idea if we had time to share the functional psychedelics Manifesto, but the…
00:50:07.040 --> 00:50:09.720 Jay Fiset: It is all of the above, and more.
00:50:10.200 --> 00:50:10.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:22.660 Jay Fiset: The aim of the Functional Psychedelics Manifesto is to help people have a threshold and an understanding and a safe container within which to engage.
00:50:22.810 --> 00:50:34.950 Jay Fiset: And we might meet them for the first time at this idea of, my wife and I are in love, we've got 3 kids under 10, and I buried my dad, and my business is in trouble, and we just need to get on the same page again.
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:47.359 Jay Fiset: Come on, we gotcha. And from that process, then it's like, oh my goodness, we are so much more powerful, and so much more whole, and so much more complete, and we have so much more capacity when this is true, so they continue with us. And inevitably.
00:50:47.530 --> 00:50:52.079 Jay Fiset: What happens is, like, wait a second, the next step isn't a we thing, it's a me thing.
00:50:52.090 --> 00:51:09.669 Jay Fiset: So then we end up in a personal journey that has a custom medicine stack, with a custom intention, with a custom process, with a custom integration process, all of those pieces. So it's, it's everything and more. But what I think the most important part, why I believe the greatest impact and influence and change that we can make on planet Earth
00:51:09.670 --> 00:51:17.609 Jay Fiset: Is to meet folks where they're at, with the symptoms and the problems they're facing, with a real freaking solution that works.
00:51:17.930 --> 00:51:26.870 Jay Fiset: Not SSRIs that will numb you for the next 17 years till you decide to do something else, but with a solution that actually works. And from there.
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.089 Jay Fiset: The universe opens.
00:51:29.590 --> 00:51:30.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: No.
00:51:32.730 --> 00:51:40.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Things are shifting and changing now, very rapidly. They're becoming more and more mainstream, more and more acceptable.
00:51:40.990 --> 00:51:41.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Didn't it?
00:51:42.200 --> 00:51:47.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Do you have any concerns about the quote-unquote mainstreaming of psychedelics?
00:51:51.620 --> 00:51:55.079 Jay Fiset: Yes, I mean, is the short answer.
00:51:59.560 --> 00:52:04.909 Jay Fiset: I'll just tell you a brief story, because it's funny and makes us look stupid.
00:52:07.130 --> 00:52:07.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Wait.
00:52:07.590 --> 00:52:16.670 Jay Fiset: when, when Corey and I decided to go get certified, our ignorance was epic.
00:52:16.940 --> 00:52:23.350 Jay Fiset: And it's the same old, same old of, we don't know what we don't know.
00:52:23.350 --> 00:52:40.020 Jay Fiset: So when we decided to go get certified, we'd been experimenting for 2 years, we'd done so actually pretty wisely, we'd had maybe two lumpy experiences, and, you know, in our world, say, well, we've sort of done the psychedelics, we've done all sorts of mushrooms, we've done LSD, we've done MDMA, we've done 3MMC, we've done…
00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:53.770 Jay Fiset: I think we got a pretty good handle on it, we should go. And we get there. And then they start talking about all of these compounds. We're like, what's that? What's that? What's that? Like, what the hell is that? Like, we were… we just couldn't…
00:52:53.980 --> 00:52:57.640 Jay Fiset: Couldn't fathom our cluelessness, is the truth.
00:52:58.720 --> 00:53:02.750 Jay Fiset: And so, going back to this mainstreaming,
00:53:06.790 --> 00:53:08.660 Jay Fiset: Folks underestimate
00:53:09.200 --> 00:53:14.600 Jay Fiset: the power… and this, by the way, was us, so I'm not trying to make you wrong or be all judgmental and those sorts of things.
00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:16.710 Jay Fiset: Folks underestimate
00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:26.690 Jay Fiset: The power, the strength, the possibility, and the difficulty that can unfold with the use of psychedelics, which is why
00:53:27.580 --> 00:53:39.830 Jay Fiset: education, support, guides, container, set and setting, all those things are just so important, and as things mainstream, and as AI tells you, you'll be fine,
00:53:40.390 --> 00:53:44.959 Jay Fiset: it has danger. And can I add one other thing, or, like…
00:53:45.600 --> 00:53:57.840 Jay Fiset: So, you were talking about the distinction between pathogens and attack… we actually… so here's how we think about this. Three different categories, generally, and this is Peyton with a broad brush, but the classics, exactly as you said, so that's…
00:53:58.240 --> 00:54:16.070 Jay Fiset: Lsd, psilocybin, mescaline, peyote, ayahuasca, those are… those all primarily are classics, and they are non-specific amplifiers. So whatever's going on physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, that is happening can and will get magnified. And sometimes that's humor and fun, and sometimes that is horror and trauma.
00:54:16.070 --> 00:54:23.070 Jay Fiset: And both happened. And if you ever heard somebody say they had a bad trip, it's almost exclusively in the domain of classics.
00:54:23.200 --> 00:54:39.960 Jay Fiset: you know, this prevalence of, like, just don't play with those things, like, get support. And then we call them empathogens and intactogens, just because of the feelings and the touch and all sorts of things. And that MDMA, MDA, 2CB, 2MMC, 3MMC, 4MMC, sassafras, all of those work primarily on releasing
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:48.749 Jay Fiset: serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine in different ways and varieties, and leads to heart opening, amygdala taking a bit of a vacation.
00:54:49.000 --> 00:55:06.259 Jay Fiset: presencing in the body, you're frankly more you, you're not… you're not going off on a… on a hallucinogenic adventure, you're sort of more here. But the dangers are, if the amygdala goes offline, trauma and repression and those sorts of things that have gone on for literally everyone in our world.
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:24.260 Jay Fiset: can present themselves, which is why, again, you also need some support there. And then the third part are, dissociatives. So think salvia divinerum, nitrous oxide, ketamine, all those sorts of things. 5-MeO, depending on dose, they take you away. So, calling all of those things psychedelics is a little bit nutty.
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, the way I've been trained is to think of it in terms of heart, body, mind, and spirit.
00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:48.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, there are some that cross over, and some of the classics are… most of them are spirit, but they can also be mind, they can also be heart, they can also be body. But I find that a useful way for me to think about it, just because it also appeals to my…
00:55:48.580 --> 00:56:00.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: sort of Western mystical training of earth, air, fire, and water, and the four archetypal elements, and all of that. We just got a couple of minutes left.
00:56:02.740 --> 00:56:17.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: for somebody who's, like, listening to this, and maybe they've been curious, and maybe there's… something's been said in this conversation that's got them to be, like, you know what, I think I'm ready to try, I think I might do something.
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What would be your word of advice to them?
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.330 Jay Fiset: Oh, that's a great question.
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:39.669 Jay Fiset: I think get clear about what you want to either experience, release, accept, create. So get clear about why you're doing it. That's… that is step one. And by the way, this can be, depending on your consciousness.
00:56:39.670 --> 00:56:57.840 Jay Fiset: to experiment with yourself is also a reasonable intention. It's not as deep as what I generally like, but we can play with that, too. So that's on the table. But then after that, it is to find a guide who you trust.
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:02.079 Jay Fiset: Yeah. And just because they, like…
00:57:02.950 --> 00:57:13.030 Jay Fiset: we actually have a guide, like, a guide of how to choose a guide, and the thing that I want people to understand is that you are trusting this person with your body.
00:57:13.160 --> 00:57:14.650 Jay Fiset: with your mind.
00:57:14.790 --> 00:57:16.470 Jay Fiset: And with your soul.
00:57:17.140 --> 00:57:17.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:57:17.610 --> 00:57:31.960 Jay Fiset: And in those altered states, your safety is paramount. And, straight up, this space attracts a bunch of wackadoodles, this space attracts a bunch of predators, and altered states
00:57:32.160 --> 00:57:47.399 Jay Fiset: can be the most beautiful thing in the entire universe, and they can be the most dangerous thing in the entire universe. So here's what you gotta decide. The person you're working with is like, would I send my daughter to them? Would I send my mother to them?
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:57.900 Jay Fiset: Can I trust them with my heart, my mind, and my soul? Because all three of those things are going to be exposed. And only when you get a hell yes.
00:57:58.540 --> 00:58:00.439 Jay Fiset: Do you go play with psychedelics?
00:58:00.590 --> 00:58:04.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah. Beautifully, beautifully said. Thank you so much, Jay, that was…
00:58:04.670 --> 00:58:14.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Great. Unfortunately, we're going to have to leave it there. If people want to reach out to you, learn more about you, learn about your connection experience, where would they go? How do they find you?
00:58:14.750 --> 00:58:33.000 Jay Fiset: So the easiest is probably, theconnectionExperience.love, theconnectionExperience.love, and, there's also our brand new brand, which is Syndeo, which stands for, Connect, Syndeonow.com, and we're just in the middle of getting that whole, sort of, umbrella brand, which is Connect.
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:41.269 Jay Fiset: Igniting human connection within, between, and beyond is our catchphrase, and we'd love to support and help you make a decision about
00:58:41.270 --> 00:58:50.840 Jay Fiset: who's right? And we, honest to goodness, don't care if it's us. But we'll equip you to make a decision that you go, oh, this is it? Ta-da, that's who we want you to work with.
00:58:51.120 --> 00:58:53.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful. And how do you spell that, Sindale?
00:58:53.150 --> 00:58:58.940 Jay Fiset: S-Y-N-D-E-O. S-Y-N-D-E-O-N-O-W dot com.
00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:12.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful. Jay, thank you so much for taking time out of your schedule to come on my show today. It's a pleasure reconnecting with you and having a truly balanced conversation around all of this.
00:59:12.650 --> 00:59:15.310 Jay Fiset: Very cool. Thank you for having me, I deeply appreciate it, Sam.
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:32.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Thank you, thank you. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc and all over social media, and on your favorite podcasting platforms.
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Take care, everyone. We will talk to you all next week.
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