EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Dr. Charles Warter, psychiatrist, author, and lifelong bridge between Western medicine and the world's great spiritual traditions. With more than five decades of clinical practice spanning psychiatry, addiction medicine, and complementary medicine, Dr. Warter has held faculty appointments at the University of Miami and the University of Hawaii Schools of Medicine, and has served as founder and president of the World Health Foundation for Development and Peace, for which he received the United Nations Messenger of Peace Award. Author of more than twenty books in eight languages, including Soul Remembers, Recovery of the Sacred, and he returns this month with a new work that has been quietly forming over a lifetime: Psychedelics and Human Potential.
Few voices are as uniquely positioned to speak to this moment in the psychedelic renaissance. Born in Chile and shaped by early studies with healers, shamans, and Kabbalists across Mexico, Peru, Egypt, India, and the Middle East, Dr. Warter brings together indigenous wisdom, Gestalt training from Esalen, molecular biology, transcultural psychiatry, and decades of work in addiction medicine. His new book draws on this rare integration to explore how psychedelics, approached with reverence and clinical wisdom, can serve not as escape but as catalysts for the fuller expression of who we are. It is a vision of human potential grounded in both science and soul.
Together, Sam and Dr. Warter explore the promise and the responsibility of this unfolding chapter in consciousness medicine. They discuss what these substances can reveal when held in ceremony and integration, the dangers of treating them as quick fixes, and the deeper invitation they offer to remember the sacred self. Dr. Warter brings the perspective of a true elder, one who has walked with world leaders and spiritual teachers alike, and who continues to remind us that healing is always, at its heart, an act of remembering. This episode is an invitation to consider what becomes possible when modern medicine, ancient wisdom, and the courage to look within meet on the same path.
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Segment 1
Sam opens with a tender and reframing blog post inviting listeners to consider that grief need not only be endured in sorrow, but can be actively celebrated — through song, laughter, story, and ritual — as a way of honoring those we've lost while transmuting the weight of pain into something lighter and even joyful, without bypassing or trivializing the depth of the loss. He then welcomes the remarkable Dr. Charles Warter, a 79-year-old Chilean-born psychiatrist, author of over 20 books, and UN Messenger of Peace, whose lifelong quest to understand the purpose of human existence was ignited at age nine by a vision of his deceased grandfather and a quiet recognition that consciousness extends far beyond what conventional life asks us to believe. In the conversation that follows, Dr. Warter shares how a first encounter with a psychedelic substance opened his heart to a quality of love he had never before experienced — and rather than letting it fade, he made the conscious choice to remain open-hearted, a choice he describes not as difficult, but as the only truly sustainable way to live in alignment with what he calls "the human promise" — the unfolding journey toward our fullest expression as souls in form.
Segment 2
Dr. Warter passionately distinguishes between using psychedelics merely as a chemical fix for mental illness and their far more sacred purpose — as catalysts for expanding human perception beyond the three-dimensional, helping us evolve from what he calls "aliens" (those who take from life without love) into "extraterrestrials" (those whose consciousness opens to the divine intelligence woven through all of existence), and he warns that without proper integration, reverent context, and discernment, these medicines can cause real harm rather than liberation. When asked how to sustain expanded states between ceremonies, he offers a beautifully simple trinity: a committed daily meditation practice, "holy company" — soul-resonant friendships built on authentic truth-telling — and a life oriented toward service, not from a place of superiority, but from a genuine flow of abundance toward those in need. Perhaps most profoundly, Dr. Warter shares that after decades of deep practice, he no longer needs a substance to access ecstatic states — he lives in a continuous, open-hearted meditation — embodying Alan Watts' teaching that once you've received the message, you no longer need to answer the phone, and closing with the luminous reminder that the ultimate human promise is not a destination to reach, but a love for life itself that we are each here to discover and inhabit fully.
00:00:26.590 --> 00:00:42.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:42.730 --> 00:00:46.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Happy June! We're now into June already, hard to believe.
00:00:47.540 --> 00:01:02.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We have another wonderful show in store for you today with a great guest who I'm looking to bring on in just a moment. But of course, my loyal listeners, you know I always start off with my blog post, which, this week.
00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:05.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: is entitled.
00:01:05.580 --> 00:01:10.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When we celebrate our grief, we make it lighter.
00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:16.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Life sometimes brings us bad news.
00:01:16.520 --> 00:01:19.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can feel heavy from the loss.
00:01:19.770 --> 00:01:23.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Pain and suffering seem so hard to feel.
00:01:23.870 --> 00:01:28.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: These challenging emotions just bring us down.
00:01:28.290 --> 00:01:31.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: They make us not want to continue.
00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To hide away and just give up.
00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:43.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We endure so much that feels so bad that we just want it to stop.
00:01:44.870 --> 00:01:51.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That desire can often lead us into unsupportive and unproductive behaviors.
00:01:51.590 --> 00:01:56.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Sometimes we fall into the trap of addiction because of it.
00:01:56.820 --> 00:02:06.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The self-destructive habits form that are then so hard to change. It can seem like life is just not worth living.
00:02:06.410 --> 00:02:10.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we don't know why we should continue.
00:02:11.290 --> 00:02:17.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Why has life brought us… brought us so much pain and loss?
00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:23.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yet there is another way to experience these emotions.
00:02:23.970 --> 00:02:28.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There are more choices that we haven't recognized.
00:02:28.510 --> 00:02:37.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Some of them may seem counterintuitive, And indeed, they are always They are.
00:02:37.990 --> 00:02:41.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And we would have never thought of on our own.
00:02:41.730 --> 00:02:50.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What would happen if we turned around, and instead of fearing our grief, We celebrated it.
00:02:51.370 --> 00:02:58.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: How different would we feel if we sang about it, danced about it, or laughed about it?
00:02:59.290 --> 00:03:03.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There are so many different ways to approach grief.
00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:08.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mourning our losses is just one way.
00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can also honor those we have lost with uplifting stories about them.
00:03:16.310 --> 00:03:21.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Or we create songs and sing about our pain and heartache.
00:03:22.170 --> 00:03:28.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Perhaps even creating our own rituals as a way of processing and facing our grief.
00:03:29.060 --> 00:03:32.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: With an energy of honor and acceptance.
00:03:33.640 --> 00:03:42.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Imagine sitting around a campfire while we dance and sing as a way of letting our pagan go into the fire.
00:03:43.990 --> 00:03:46.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: How would that feel to you?
00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:50.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There are so many ways we can celebrate our loss.
00:03:51.010 --> 00:03:54.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Without minimizing it, or trivializing it.
00:03:55.980 --> 00:04:00.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: By bringing a more active energy to the process of mourning.
00:04:00.980 --> 00:04:06.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can honor those who have passed while releasing the pain we feel.
00:04:07.790 --> 00:04:15.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And this celebration not only helps us deal with the pain, It helps the whole community.
00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:22.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The heaviness and the weight of loss can be transmuted into something else.
00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:24.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Something lighter.
00:04:24.620 --> 00:04:26.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Even something more joyful.
00:04:28.190 --> 00:04:35.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And in the process, We build a new way for the whole community to heal.
00:04:36.550 --> 00:04:37.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That.
00:04:37.590 --> 00:04:38.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: is something.
00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Truly worth celebrating.
00:04:43.940 --> 00:04:52.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, this is one of those blog posts that were just inspired by something unexpected.
00:04:55.910 --> 00:05:01.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And, you know, it was a couple of years ago, and I can't quite remember what the movie was.
00:05:02.740 --> 00:05:04.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But it was a movie.
00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:11.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: where… Someone experienced… loss.
00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:16.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Like, profound loss. You know, their lifelong partner, their spouse.
00:05:18.850 --> 00:05:23.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And even though they were in pain, They found ways.
00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:28.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To laugh about it. To share about it. To celebrate it.
00:05:29.230 --> 00:05:32.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it was such an uplifting story.
00:05:32.660 --> 00:05:35.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: God, I wish I could remember the name of the movie.
00:05:37.550 --> 00:05:46.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But it made me realize That there's not only one way to experience grief and loss.
00:05:47.470 --> 00:05:53.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That there are many ways And they don't all have to be so…
00:05:53.840 --> 00:05:57.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Challenging, so difficult, so hard to get through.
00:05:59.810 --> 00:06:02.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can celebrate life.
00:06:03.220 --> 00:06:07.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As opposed to… Deny it.
00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:18.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: We can allow… The pain to… Be something that… that… Moves us to tears.
00:06:19.080 --> 00:06:23.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Without having it have to… Destroy us, and…
00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And… and cause us to crumble.
00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:36.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And indeed, you know, when you think about The people who… we've lost.
00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:42.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Would they want us to take our morning and make it something?
00:06:42.760 --> 00:06:49.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: so challenging, so difficult, that we couldn't go on? Of course not. They want us to keep living.
00:06:51.760 --> 00:06:56.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And, and it… reminded me… You know, of a…
00:06:57.280 --> 00:07:02.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: of a friend of my mom's. It's a wonderful… guy named Marty.
00:07:03.420 --> 00:07:11.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: He was such a jokester. Always joking. He always had a sharp wit, he always had a quick comeback.
00:07:13.770 --> 00:07:18.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And he passed away, and I went to his funeral with my mom.
00:07:20.170 --> 00:07:30.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And he never married, he never had kids, but he had a sister and a brother, and one of his nephews delivered the eulogy.
00:07:32.190 --> 00:07:39.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And… he talked about Marty, And related so many funny stories about him.
00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:48.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And I'm sitting there in the audience, and you know, I just knew Marty because of his relationship with my mom. They were just friends.
00:07:49.350 --> 00:07:55.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And… I just thought, wow, this is really the way Marty wanted it.
00:07:56.550 --> 00:08:06.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: He wouldn't have wanted everyone crying and sad at his funeral. He would want people… he wanted to make jokes and laugh and all kinds of stuff.
00:08:11.880 --> 00:08:17.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And so it made me think… about how I would want
00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: people to respond when I pass.
00:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And I wouldn't want people to be sad and crying and…
00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:30.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And, and, and feeling so depressed.
00:08:31.930 --> 00:08:38.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Because of the loss. I want them to celebrate my life, laugh about my life, joke about my life.
00:08:38.909 --> 00:08:41.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Dance. Make songs.
00:08:45.310 --> 00:08:49.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it just made me realize, in a very deep way, that
00:08:50.020 --> 00:08:53.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: There are many different ways to experience loss.
00:08:53.670 --> 00:08:55.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Not just one way.
00:08:55.900 --> 00:09:00.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It doesn't have to look like just one thing.
00:09:02.830 --> 00:09:11.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So… It was… for me, kind of enlightening, and I realized, for most people.
00:09:13.330 --> 00:09:17.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: I don't think we ever even really contemplated or think about
00:09:19.100 --> 00:09:22.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: That there's more than one way to experience loss.
00:09:23.130 --> 00:09:27.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And it doesn't have to be… Something depressing.
00:09:28.300 --> 00:09:30.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It can be something uplifting.
00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:39.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: again, I don't want to trivialize loss, I don't want to bypass it.
00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:42.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Someone recently said to me, grief
00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Is how we learn to honor what we have.
00:09:49.070 --> 00:09:52.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Because when we lose someone precious to us.
00:09:52.630 --> 00:09:57.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The people who are still with us are that much… more precious.
00:10:00.330 --> 00:10:07.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So I'm not saying we need to avoid the grief and the sorrow and the pain of the loss, it's not about that.
00:10:09.980 --> 00:10:14.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It's about taking back pain and grief and loss.
00:10:15.920 --> 00:10:18.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And using it as inspiration.
00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:24.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Not just as… A challenge to get through.
00:10:26.560 --> 00:10:33.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And that maybe, just maybe, If instead of…
00:10:33.510 --> 00:10:39.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Focusing on ourselves and what we've lost by this other person not being with us.
00:10:39.410 --> 00:10:40.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Any longer.
00:10:43.270 --> 00:10:48.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: If we can… Hold their spirit lightly.
00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:53.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And honor them the way they would want to be honored.
00:10:55.400 --> 00:10:59.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But maybe it doesn't have to be filled with tears.
00:11:01.630 --> 00:11:04.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Maybe it can be filled with song.
00:11:05.140 --> 00:11:07.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: With joy, with laughter.
00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The stories of their life.
00:11:15.020 --> 00:11:19.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, I know this might not be for everybody listening, I know…
00:11:19.880 --> 00:11:26.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, sometimes when you lose someone so precious, so close to you, Like a child.
00:11:27.630 --> 00:11:33.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Our partner… Grief and loss is so hard to deal with.
00:11:38.050 --> 00:11:44.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But maybe, just maybe there's… A better way to get through the experience.
00:11:45.490 --> 00:11:50.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And just maybe… We can find some small way.
00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To celebrate instead of mourn.
00:11:55.580 --> 00:11:59.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, that's my blog post for this week.
00:11:59.750 --> 00:12:04.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The title again is, when we celebrate our grief, we make it lighter.
00:12:04.550 --> 00:12:10.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You can always find my blog on my website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:16.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As well as on the radio station website at talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:34.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: All right, now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Dr. Charles Warder, psychiatrist, author, and lifelong bridge between Western medicine and the world's great spiritual traditions. With more than five decades
00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:53.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: a clinical practice spanning psychiatry, addiction medicine, and complementary medicine. Dr. Warder has held faculty appointments at the University of Miami and the University of Hawaii Schools of Medicine, and has served as founder and president of the World Health Foundation
00:12:53.920 --> 00:12:55.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: for Development and Peace.
00:12:55.960 --> 00:13:01.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: For which he received the United Nations Messenger of Peace Award.
00:13:01.390 --> 00:13:14.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Author of more than 20 books in 8 languages, including Soul Remembers, Recovery of the Sacred, and he returns this month, just came out with brand new work.
00:13:14.500 --> 00:13:21.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: which has been quietly forming over a lifetime, entitled, Psychedelics and Human Potential.
00:13:22.390 --> 00:13:37.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Few voices are as uniquely positioned to speak to this moment in the psychedelic Renaissance. Born in Chile and shaped by early studies with healers, shamans, and Kabbalists across Mexico, Peru, Egypt, India, and the Middle East.
00:13:37.770 --> 00:13:49.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Dr. Warder brings together Indigenous wisdom, Gestalt training from Esalen, molecular biology, transcultural psychology, and decades of work in addiction medicine.
00:13:49.720 --> 00:14:04.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: His new book draws on this rare integration to explore how psychedelics, approached with reverence and clinical wisdom, can serve not as escape, but as catalysts for fuller expression of who we are.
00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:13.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It is a vision of human potential grounded in both science and soul. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Dr. Water.
00:14:14.370 --> 00:14:15.180 Dr. Charles Warter: Thank you.
00:14:16.610 --> 00:14:30.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, wow, you've had quite a life, haven't you? It's, hard to imagine all the work you've done, all the amazing people you've been exposed to and have studied with.
00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:36.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What got you early on on this path?
00:14:38.850 --> 00:14:41.540 Dr. Charles Warter: I was listening to your introduction blog.
00:14:42.770 --> 00:14:46.239 Dr. Charles Warter: And I was thinking, what got me into your question?
00:14:47.650 --> 00:14:49.880 Dr. Charles Warter: When I was 9 years old.
00:14:50.450 --> 00:14:57.119 Dr. Charles Warter: My grandfather, who I loved when he was close to 90, Gatherers all and blessed us.
00:14:57.630 --> 00:15:03.029 Dr. Charles Warter: And he blessed every one of his sons and daughters with different blessings.
00:15:03.610 --> 00:15:04.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:15:05.090 --> 00:15:09.449 Dr. Charles Warter: I made a deal with God, the God of the 9-year-old.
00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:16.360 Dr. Charles Warter: And I said, I will chew this chewing gum all night, but please keep him alive.
00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:17.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:21.710 Dr. Charles Warter: That was the end of my relationship with a transactional God.
00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:22.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm…
00:15:23.800 --> 00:15:27.730 Dr. Charles Warter: Following morning, My grandfather was gone.
00:15:28.390 --> 00:15:36.639 Dr. Charles Warter: And God, hadn't fulfilled my part of the deal. I ate the chewing gum all night. He did not.
00:15:38.070 --> 00:15:50.200 Dr. Charles Warter: A few days later, in what I later have called hypnagogic state, or meditative state, or vision, all these are words not from a 9-year-old, he appeared to me.
00:15:50.750 --> 00:15:51.255 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hello.
00:15:51.760 --> 00:16:00.009 Dr. Charles Warter: And he said… In Yiddish, Nicht Wenden. Don't cry.
00:16:00.880 --> 00:16:04.140 Dr. Charles Warter: There is nothing to cry because life goes on.
00:16:04.920 --> 00:16:07.300 Dr. Charles Warter: I'm paraphrasing him, of course.
00:16:09.130 --> 00:16:13.539 Dr. Charles Warter: Of course… I went to tell my parents.
00:16:14.680 --> 00:16:18.260 Dr. Charles Warter: Who kindly told me, Very nice.
00:16:18.690 --> 00:16:24.330 Dr. Charles Warter: But don't talk about this in public, so I'm making our conversation private.
00:16:27.450 --> 00:16:31.310 Dr. Charles Warter: Nobody was very interested in what I had to say, except one uncle.
00:16:32.140 --> 00:16:42.700 Dr. Charles Warter: Who was probably his favorite son, and he took me out to pastries and… relatively…
00:16:42.820 --> 00:16:52.000 Dr. Charles Warter: beautiful places that I was not accustomed to see in Santiago, Chile, where I was born. And he was interested in what I had to say.
00:16:52.890 --> 00:16:53.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:16:54.400 --> 00:16:56.640 Dr. Charles Warter: That put me on a path
00:16:56.810 --> 00:17:01.879 Dr. Charles Warter: Of wanting to find out what this story that we're living in is all about.
00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.789 Dr. Charles Warter: And I formulated that when I would stand
00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:17.240 Dr. Charles Warter: And it was 11, I was 12, first parties, boring person to have at a party, because at 2 in the morning, after partying.
00:17:17.490 --> 00:17:20.399 Dr. Charles Warter: I would ask, then, what is the purpose of human life?
00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.980 Dr. Charles Warter: Sometimes there were answers, and sometimes there were not.
00:17:26.829 --> 00:17:30.070 Dr. Charles Warter: But I continued on my quest and on my questions.
00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.129 Dr. Charles Warter: I had no idea of what meditation or mastery was.
00:17:37.520 --> 00:17:41.249 Dr. Charles Warter: That… I wrote a journal when I was 22.
00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:43.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm.
00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:44.590 Dr. Charles Warter: And the journal
00:17:44.840 --> 00:17:53.190 Dr. Charles Warter: was stolen, fortunately, by a friend of mine, and was taken to Pablo Neruda. You know Pablo Neruda?
00:17:53.190 --> 00:17:53.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The reprageous.
00:17:53.990 --> 00:17:56.499 Dr. Charles Warter: winner, poet. And one day.
00:17:56.610 --> 00:18:02.549 Dr. Charles Warter: I didn't even know that it was there. I was preparing my internship in medicine.
00:18:02.740 --> 00:18:06.420 Dr. Charles Warter: And I get a phone call from Pablo Neruda.
00:18:06.950 --> 00:18:13.109 Dr. Charles Warter: Who tells me… Your work is worthwhile publishing.
00:18:14.630 --> 00:18:16.540 Dr. Charles Warter: I got you a publisher.
00:18:16.830 --> 00:18:18.869 Dr. Charles Warter: And I wrote you a preface.
00:18:19.460 --> 00:18:20.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Wow.
00:18:21.340 --> 00:18:22.130 Dr. Charles Warter: Nope.
00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:25.589 Dr. Charles Warter: My wife, with whom I've been 41 happy years.
00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:44.120 Dr. Charles Warter: thinks that that's my best book, because it contains, in very short time, 100 and something pages, my whole philosophy, if I can call it a philosophy. I better say, like one of my students said recently, a revelation to a path to happiness.
00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:45.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:51.959 Dr. Charles Warter: a revelation that every once in a while, I pick it up, and I take it seriously, because it helps me too.
00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:53.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:18:53.500 --> 00:18:58.019 Dr. Charles Warter: That first book Has never made it to any other language.
00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.700 Dr. Charles Warter: Then Spanish.
00:19:01.230 --> 00:19:11.619 Dr. Charles Warter: And it's a book looking for a publisher. I translated it fully last year at the 55th anniversary of it being written.
00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:13.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Nice.
00:19:13.760 --> 00:19:15.230 Dr. Charles Warter: So that changed my life.
00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:21.180 Dr. Charles Warter: That completely changed my life. Instead of wanting to be a dean and a professor.
00:19:21.850 --> 00:19:24.790 Dr. Charles Warter: I wanted to explore being a human being.
00:19:26.560 --> 00:19:30.589 Dr. Charles Warter: And that's what I'm still doing, exploring being a human being.
00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:35.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, I guess that's something that… that's an exploration of a lifetime, isn't it?
00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:43.099 Dr. Charles Warter: Of a lifetime. And I just had a party a few days ago, I turned 79, so I'm in my 80th year.
00:19:43.870 --> 00:19:47.949 Dr. Charles Warter: And… Two books in the works.
00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:53.479 Dr. Charles Warter: and a whole new IAAI, whatever it's called.
00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:59.620 Dr. Charles Warter: that I'm learning, taking courses, to be able to expand
00:20:00.210 --> 00:20:07.230 Dr. Charles Warter: So that instead of people doing a celebration of life when I'm gone, There is a…
00:20:07.580 --> 00:20:18.959 Dr. Charles Warter: sufficiently solid amount of books and tapes and… I don't even know how they're going to be called, digitalization of my work.
00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:22.599 Dr. Charles Warter: Because I've really dedicated my life to this work.
00:20:22.830 --> 00:20:23.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:26.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful.
00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:34.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, you're kind of in a unique point where
00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: you're familiar with both Indigenous traditions.
00:20:39.050 --> 00:20:48.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As well as, sort of, modern psychiatric medicine and other modern endeavors.
00:20:51.530 --> 00:20:55.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What do you feel is the most important thing
00:20:56.070 --> 00:21:04.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: for us as humans in this modern society to really honor about Indigenous cultures and Indigenous wisdom.
00:21:07.280 --> 00:21:13.569 Dr. Charles Warter: We can't become indigenous, but we can accept and respect.
00:21:13.570 --> 00:21:14.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:21:14.020 --> 00:21:20.339 Dr. Charles Warter: And they have been living For many centuries before white men came here.
00:21:20.860 --> 00:21:25.250 Dr. Charles Warter: In a world that functioned for them.
00:21:25.650 --> 00:21:33.170 Dr. Charles Warter: When I found out that a teenager that would be subjected in, let's say, in the career… in the
00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:34.740 Dr. Charles Warter: Amazonian.
00:21:36.340 --> 00:21:42.549 Dr. Charles Warter: to a shot in their nose of Yopo, which is demethyltryptamine.
00:21:43.540 --> 00:21:50.430 Dr. Charles Warter: And they come out as teenagers with a different name, because they got a revelation and division.
00:21:50.470 --> 00:22:05.719 Dr. Charles Warter: And the name was the function that they would have in the community, the responsibility that they would have in the community. I cannot but say that we are uninvolved in the way we name people and we play with these things.
00:22:05.980 --> 00:22:12.050 Dr. Charles Warter: But this is a time To stop playing, and begin to use it seriously.
00:22:12.050 --> 00:22:12.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:27.160 Dr. Charles Warter: I'm old enough to have been in the first Renaissance that was before the 70s, when there was research being done. I had the good fortune that in the University of Chile, they did that research with medical students.
00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:27.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Oh.
00:22:27.910 --> 00:22:36.369 Dr. Charles Warter: For years, how they can paint under their non-ordinary state of consciousness, how they can relate, how they can make music.
00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:43.500 Dr. Charles Warter: How their whole conceptualization of their life can be… altered.
00:22:43.670 --> 00:22:48.809 Dr. Charles Warter: By one little shift of the metabolism of the brain.
00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:56.829 Dr. Charles Warter: in favor, I call it, of the traffic going in the direction it's supposed to be, and not where it has been conditioned.
00:22:57.100 --> 00:23:04.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, and that's where the real magic, I guess.
00:23:04.770 --> 00:23:12.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: of working with these, I would call them sacred substances, really lies in…
00:23:13.750 --> 00:23:21.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Even the most subtle of changes, the most subtle of shifts, can have a profound impact on someone's life.
00:23:22.300 --> 00:23:25.330 Dr. Charles Warter: Absolutely. And it did on me.
00:23:25.540 --> 00:23:33.680 Dr. Charles Warter: When I wrote my second book, which was in 1970, somebody sent me to see a publisher.
00:23:34.050 --> 00:23:36.469 Dr. Charles Warter: In Santiago, Chile.
00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:44.009 Dr. Charles Warter: I went to visit him, I gave him the manuscript, he read it, and then he met with me and he said.
00:23:44.870 --> 00:23:46.720 Dr. Charles Warter: Were you an asset?
00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:48.590 Dr. Charles Warter: When you wrote this?
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.949 Dr. Charles Warter: I was offended. I had never done acid in my life.
00:23:53.290 --> 00:23:55.300 Dr. Charles Warter: I hadn't even done marijuana.
00:23:55.490 --> 00:23:56.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:23:57.650 --> 00:24:01.910 Dr. Charles Warter: And he said, there might be a group that you might be interested in joining.
00:24:02.350 --> 00:24:03.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:04.690 Dr. Charles Warter: I joined that group.
00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:07.879 Dr. Charles Warter: And my life changed even more.
00:24:09.740 --> 00:24:19.720 Dr. Charles Warter: I had my first experience taking one of these substances and experiencing love that I had never experienced in my life before.
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:20.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:24:20.670 --> 00:24:25.039 Dr. Charles Warter: A love that went from the brain to the heart and back and forth.
00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:25.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:30.409 Dr. Charles Warter: And… Instead of coming down, as they say.
00:24:31.670 --> 00:24:33.800 Dr. Charles Warter: I chose to keep my heart open.
00:24:35.830 --> 00:24:38.060 Dr. Charles Warter: And my life has been very different.
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.670 Dr. Charles Warter: with an open heart than the memories I have.
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:43.590 Dr. Charles Warter: Of it not functioning.
00:24:44.030 --> 00:24:45.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:58.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And that's not easy, right? It's work. You know, it's one thing to have the experience and ceremony are hard to open, but then to keep it open in day-to-day life when
00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:05.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: People do things that are not so nice sometimes, and people do things we don't want, and people do things that hurt us.
00:25:06.050 --> 00:25:10.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: To still maintain that open-heartedness is not easy, is it?
00:25:11.210 --> 00:25:13.839 Dr. Charles Warter: No, it's, it's very easy.
00:25:14.850 --> 00:25:16.689 Dr. Charles Warter: Why is it very easy?
00:25:17.350 --> 00:25:25.569 Dr. Charles Warter: Because all other choices Are not sustainable for good living.
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Okay.
00:25:28.770 --> 00:25:38.910 Dr. Charles Warter: So I have to ask myself, if I feel like having a reaction that might close my heart, is this where I want to go?
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:39.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:25:40.850 --> 00:25:45.780 Dr. Charles Warter: Is this fulfilling my human promise of what I'm here for?
00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:48.899 Dr. Charles Warter: In the book that I hope you like.
00:25:49.140 --> 00:26:05.469 Dr. Charles Warter: psychedelics, and human potential, I have a couple of chapters looking at different techniques which oriented people in different times to the fulfillment of what I call the human promise. And what is this human promise?
00:26:05.470 --> 00:26:10.349 Dr. Charles Warter: In simple, it is something that we don't reach.
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:24.660 Dr. Charles Warter: But our life is oriented towards it, and opens up more and more and more as we keep the focus of the fulfillment of what we're here for as human beings.
00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:25.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:26:26.580 --> 00:26:28.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful. Beautiful.
00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:33.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right, so it's not a destination, per se, it's just.
00:26:33.510 --> 00:26:33.990 Dr. Charles Warter: What's doing, bro?
00:26:33.990 --> 00:26:34.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: action.
00:26:36.560 --> 00:26:38.459 Dr. Charles Warter: It's a direction, it's a journey.
00:26:38.820 --> 00:26:42.229 Dr. Charles Warter: It's an involvement. It's not a trip.
00:26:45.220 --> 00:26:46.449 Dr. Charles Warter: It is a journey.
00:26:46.620 --> 00:26:51.340 Dr. Charles Warter: It involves a transformation of the ability of living.
00:26:54.370 --> 00:26:56.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, I mean, you've written
00:26:56.430 --> 00:27:03.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: you know, over 20 books. What really inspired you to write this book at this time?
00:27:06.230 --> 00:27:08.680 Dr. Charles Warter: First of all, I wanted a simple book.
00:27:08.870 --> 00:27:13.219 Dr. Charles Warter: That would be for the layman, not for the technician or the expert.
00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:19.889 Dr. Charles Warter: So that they would know, What is available, and what it does.
00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:22.300 Dr. Charles Warter: I added…
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:33.929 Dr. Charles Warter: personal experiences, such as going in the jungle in Brazil, you know, on a canoe for 17 hours to reach a place where they would be using ayahuasca.
00:27:35.340 --> 00:27:41.119 Dr. Charles Warter: Or to go to the jungle in Colombia, where they would be using yahe, which is actually the same thing.
00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:48.369 Dr. Charles Warter: different names. They do… they call it differently in Peru, in Bolivia, and in Brazil.
00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:52.840 Dr. Charles Warter: and… in this…
00:27:53.960 --> 00:28:02.180 Dr. Charles Warter: time, in which, as everybody is saying there is a renaissance, there's also still a lot of opinion without information.
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:03.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:28:03.190 --> 00:28:07.509 Dr. Charles Warter: So I wanted this book to be a simple book of information.
00:28:08.700 --> 00:28:11.389 Dr. Charles Warter: And they chose a student of mine.
00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:14.879 Dr. Charles Warter: That had been studying 30 years with me.
00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:15.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm.
00:28:16.310 --> 00:28:22.190 Dr. Charles Warter: to… assist… With the manufacturing, with the editing of this book.
00:28:24.280 --> 00:28:29.669 Dr. Charles Warter: And I found out, and I hope you invite me in a year again, that my next book
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:37.009 Dr. Charles Warter: it's even better. It's gonna be because supraterrestrials, And the nature of life.
00:28:37.270 --> 00:28:45.830 Dr. Charles Warter: And it's already approved by Inner Traditions. I already got my advance, so it's gonna be out.
00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:52.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Wonderful. I would be absolutely thrilled to have you back on next year, when the book comes out.
00:28:52.570 --> 00:28:55.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Okay, we're gonna take a quick break.
00:28:56.760 --> 00:29:06.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: When we come back, let's talk a little bit more about what's in the book, what people will get from it, and what your intention and hope is for the book, okay?
00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:09.000 Dr. Charles Warter: Yes.
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:26.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So, everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern, right here on talkradio.nyc, and on your favorite social media channel, and your favorite podcasting app, and we'll be right back.
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:33.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: with Dr. Charles Warder, author of the book, Psychedelics and Human Potential, in just a moment.
00:30:48.350 --> 00:30:55.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. So, Dr. Warder,
00:30:55.660 --> 00:31:02.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Why did you decide to write this book on psychedelics and human potential, you know, today, now?
00:31:05.950 --> 00:31:08.110 Dr. Charles Warter: I had two hopes.
00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:13.229 Dr. Charles Warter: For the period 24-28, only two hopes.
00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:18.249 Dr. Charles Warter: One, that we would go into a process of legalization of psychedelics.
00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:26.150 Dr. Charles Warter: The other is that there will be a disclosure on extraterrestrial tuning.
00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:29.490 Dr. Charles Warter: Of the government and other governments.
00:31:29.830 --> 00:31:34.530 Dr. Charles Warter: Those were my two hopes, and they required two books.
00:31:34.990 --> 00:31:45.479 Dr. Charles Warter: For me, from me, to bring it into the public with a perspective that, number one, in order to achieve
00:31:46.170 --> 00:31:55.359 Dr. Charles Warter: extraterrestrial, or I call it supraterrestrial communication, we need to alter the form in which we perceive.
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:05.770 Dr. Charles Warter: And one of the means Besides meditation, seclusion, intense prayer.
00:32:06.050 --> 00:32:10.040 Dr. Charles Warter: spiritual exercises, are psychedelics.
00:32:10.710 --> 00:32:11.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:32:11.270 --> 00:32:16.919 Dr. Charles Warter: to psychedelics, to me, it's like I ski, or used to ski.
00:32:17.030 --> 00:32:22.109 Dr. Charles Warter: And there is a custom, you sked down a mountain, and you always go on the same route.
00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:26.619 Dr. Charles Warter: Very fast, we get accustomed to one pattern.
00:32:27.090 --> 00:32:30.000 Dr. Charles Warter: Psychedelics is like a big snow.
00:32:30.110 --> 00:32:36.360 Dr. Charles Warter: In that mountain, in which we have to move around with different pathways.
00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:37.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:32:41.150 --> 00:32:43.459 Dr. Charles Warter: Are psychedelics for everyone?
00:32:44.270 --> 00:32:45.610 Dr. Charles Warter: I don't think so.
00:32:46.520 --> 00:32:49.699 Dr. Charles Warter: But are psychedelics for depressed people?
00:32:49.860 --> 00:32:51.500 Dr. Charles Warter: Anxious people?
00:32:52.280 --> 00:32:56.570 Dr. Charles Warter: Like, I'm seeing it with pain in my heart.
00:32:57.610 --> 00:33:13.959 Dr. Charles Warter: pharma… pharma institutions trying to take away the mystical effect of a psychedelic, so that it has the chemical effect in the brain of a depressed person, and I don't think that's the road
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:22.590 Dr. Charles Warter: For these precious substances that have been used before we knew the word pharma, and that every…
00:33:22.820 --> 00:33:24.910 Dr. Charles Warter: Tradition in the world.
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:34.720 Dr. Charles Warter: from… the Christian tradition of the two breads… And the fish.
00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:41.639 Dr. Charles Warter: The two breads, in my interpretation, Are two pieces of cacti.
00:33:44.110 --> 00:33:45.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Two pieces of what?
00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:47.670 Dr. Charles Warter: Cactus. Cactus. Cacti.
00:33:47.670 --> 00:33:48.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Practice.
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:55.790 Dr. Charles Warter: And the fish is a fish that's in the Kinerit, Has psychedelic effects.
00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:58.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Oh, interesting.
00:33:58.390 --> 00:34:05.050 Dr. Charles Warter: So you mix those two in the proportion of 2 and 1, And you have events.
00:34:05.580 --> 00:34:13.160 Dr. Charles Warter: That are called miracles. But really, are the higher functioning of who we are.
00:34:14.130 --> 00:34:21.439 Dr. Charles Warter: For instance, Iran is the popular name today. Everybody's negotiating with Iran.
00:34:22.889 --> 00:34:37.589 Dr. Charles Warter: Iran has a law that it allows the use of peganum harmala, which is harmalin, which is the basic substance of ayahuasca. And that's not illegal in Iran.
00:34:38.520 --> 00:34:47.000 Dr. Charles Warter: Why? Because Prophet Muhammad apparently took it and spoke the Quran, which somebody wrote down.
00:34:47.179 --> 00:34:50.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Oh, he was on Harmeline, huh? Oh, wow.
00:34:52.610 --> 00:34:57.169 Dr. Charles Warter: Now, who knows And what other substances?
00:34:58.020 --> 00:35:07.309 Dr. Charles Warter: our heroes, And our founders of religion, or different… spiritual roads.
00:35:08.600 --> 00:35:12.030 Dr. Charles Warter: Have been triggered by the use of psychedelics.
00:35:12.630 --> 00:35:19.260 Dr. Charles Warter: I wanted this thing to become A pocketbook.
00:35:21.740 --> 00:35:26.469 Dr. Charles Warter: People to say, This is the legality of the substance today.
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:45.199 Dr. Charles Warter: This is the substance itself in chemistry. These are the experiences that are generally described, and they're not very different between different people when they take Harmalin, or they take acid, or they take MDMA.
00:35:45.250 --> 00:35:49.079 Dr. Charles Warter: There are certain centers that become activated.
00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:58.079 Dr. Charles Warter: And what is important, and that's where I feel my work is important, what is important is to have a context
00:35:58.090 --> 00:36:09.329 Dr. Charles Warter: for these experiences, so that they're not just, as I said before, a trip, a trip or a trigger of some state of consciousness, but they are framed
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.700 Dr. Charles Warter: Into a much larger Space.
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.069 Dr. Charles Warter: Than the experience itself.
00:36:16.650 --> 00:36:17.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:36:17.860 --> 00:36:22.610 Dr. Charles Warter: And I've seen some books come out in the last 2 years.
00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:31.259 Dr. Charles Warter: Because the market is wanting more books on this, that are completely terrible.
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.799 Dr. Charles Warter: Because they only focus On the importance of the experience.
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.689 Dr. Charles Warter: Of the psychedelic.
00:36:39.690 --> 00:36:43.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yes, yes, yes, and not on the integration.
00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:44.820 Dr. Charles Warter: I'm not on the ranch.
00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:49.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, you also mentioned before about
00:36:50.430 --> 00:37:00.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know, some pharma companies are sort of trying to extract the spiritual component from the substances to make just a chemical component.
00:37:00.850 --> 00:37:04.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And in some ways, I kind of feel like that's symbolic.
00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:23.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Because I hear a lot of people talk about using psychedelics from a point of view of just healing. It's like, we can use this to heal our mental illness, PTSD, anxiety, depression, like, all these difficult psychiatric challenges.
00:37:24.380 --> 00:37:34.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But your book is about psychedelics and the human potential, which to me says it's not just about healing, it's about
00:37:34.530 --> 00:37:36.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: being better humans. It's about…
00:37:37.390 --> 00:37:44.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As you mentioned, sort of the mystical experience that can help us to evolve as human beings.
00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:45.800 Dr. Charles Warter: Indeed.
00:37:45.930 --> 00:37:47.220 Dr. Charles Warter: to develop.
00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:48.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm.
00:37:48.120 --> 00:37:51.960 Dr. Charles Warter: Because we are third-dimensional humans.
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:53.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:37:53.060 --> 00:37:56.200 Dr. Charles Warter: And we need to become meta-dimensional humans.
00:37:56.670 --> 00:37:59.589 Dr. Charles Warter: That we're not just stuck in one viewpoint.
00:37:59.810 --> 00:38:01.710 Dr. Charles Warter: Right. Unfortunately.
00:38:01.990 --> 00:38:20.790 Dr. Charles Warter: children go to school, get educated, get trained into being a slave of one system or another, and 50 years later, they retire, and finally do what they want to do, which is probably playing golf or playing the violin. I find that…
00:38:21.140 --> 00:38:23.090 Dr. Charles Warter: A lost incarnation.
00:38:23.610 --> 00:38:24.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:34.969 Dr. Charles Warter: So we need to wake up and use these psychedelics as inner reference points for our wake-up call.
00:38:34.970 --> 00:38:42.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm… So, there are so many different substances. There's…
00:38:42.090 --> 00:38:58.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: ayahuasca, psilocybin, 5-MeO-DMT, also called Bufo, there's Ibogaine, there's San Pedro, there's just… there's, like, an explosion. Alexander Shulgan, you know, experimented with hundreds and hundreds of
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Formulas and combinations.
00:39:01.790 --> 00:39:19.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: If someone listening to it says, okay, I'm curious, I would like to try something that will help me to evolve more, how do you recommend someone begin? Like, how does somebody today dip their toe in the water when there's so much available?
00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:24.720 Dr. Charles Warter: What I would recommend to a person that predicament.
00:39:26.140 --> 00:39:33.210 Dr. Charles Warter: and this is not just marketing, it's because I mean it, is to come to a 4-day retreat with me.
00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:38.260 Dr. Charles Warter: So that that which does not need a psychedelic
00:39:38.540 --> 00:39:42.690 Dr. Charles Warter: Can be dissolved from the consciousness of the individual.
00:39:43.640 --> 00:39:45.050 Dr. Charles Warter: And then…
00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:53.999 Dr. Charles Warter: Optionally, if they do want to use a psychedelic, and we go to a place where that particular psychedelic is legal.
00:39:54.470 --> 00:39:59.359 Dr. Charles Warter: And I'll give you an example. I had a patient that was an addict to cocaine for
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.099 Dr. Charles Warter: For as long as you can imagine. Since he was 18 years old, he was in his 30s.
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:11.289 Dr. Charles Warter: I had one session with him of Ibogaine, and I followed him for 12 years.
00:40:11.630 --> 00:40:13.910 Dr. Charles Warter: He never consumed cocaine again.
00:40:14.210 --> 00:40:16.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Wow, wow.
00:40:17.490 --> 00:40:20.429 Dr. Charles Warter: There was a man named Lotsov.
00:40:21.540 --> 00:40:30.459 Dr. Charles Warter: that… He was an addict first, and he used Ibogaine by going to Africa and bringing it for himself.
00:40:30.570 --> 00:40:38.869 Dr. Charles Warter: And he developed a substance called end abuse, which basically was iboraine.
00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:43.730 Dr. Charles Warter: And it was… Masterfully.
00:40:44.180 --> 00:40:48.880 Dr. Charles Warter: treating people And undoing the addiction.
00:40:49.340 --> 00:40:50.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:53.180 Dr. Charles Warter: Unfortunately, the lobbies
00:40:53.830 --> 00:41:00.230 Dr. Charles Warter: And the powers that be that recommend not to have drugs, but sell them on the back of their.
00:41:01.020 --> 00:41:01.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: roads.
00:41:03.040 --> 00:41:05.829 Dr. Charles Warter: Our enemies that we need to withstand.
00:41:06.200 --> 00:41:12.590 Dr. Charles Warter: Consciously, and understand that they're completing some karma, or some… event…
00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:19.480 Dr. Charles Warter: Of this life, or any other life, or this dimension, or any other dimension, That needs to be completed.
00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:24.590 Dr. Charles Warter: But… We don't need to surrender to that.
00:41:25.070 --> 00:41:25.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right.
00:41:25.470 --> 00:41:30.270 Dr. Charles Warter: We need to surrender to the transformation of our ability to perceive.
00:41:31.270 --> 00:41:33.509 Dr. Charles Warter: And sometimes a psychedelic.
00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:35.019 Dr. Charles Warter: We'll do that.
00:41:36.650 --> 00:41:43.719 Dr. Charles Warter: Not the only thing that does it. Music does it. Painting does it. Admiring nature does it.
00:41:43.720 --> 00:41:44.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:48.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What do you do?
00:41:49.660 --> 00:41:55.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: In between ceremonies, or in between experiences, to help you to integrate the experiences.
00:41:56.340 --> 00:41:57.350 Dr. Charles Warter: new things.
00:41:59.180 --> 00:42:08.090 Dr. Charles Warter: You meditate. You pick up a meditation that you will and can commit to, first to a small amount of time.
00:42:08.370 --> 00:42:19.539 Dr. Charles Warter: Every day, and maybe later, as I was seeing a student yesterday, that was telling me, I used to be able only to meditate 20 minutes, now I'm at 40.
00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:21.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:24.480 Dr. Charles Warter: Second thing, Friends.
00:42:25.180 --> 00:42:26.830 Dr. Charles Warter: Holy company.
00:42:27.510 --> 00:42:31.300 Dr. Charles Warter: People that are… Friendly with you.
00:42:31.580 --> 00:42:35.099 Dr. Charles Warter: Because they resonate with your soul.
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.080 Dr. Charles Warter: They don't resonate with your job.
00:42:38.520 --> 00:42:43.300 Dr. Charles Warter: Necessarily. They don't resonate with the fashion of the times.
00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:44.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:42:44.260 --> 00:42:46.149 Dr. Charles Warter: But they are incoherent.
00:42:46.350 --> 00:42:48.370 Dr. Charles Warter: In synergy, if you will.
00:42:48.790 --> 00:42:57.909 Dr. Charles Warter: with what and who we are. And then they can talk, we can talk, in a very open and truthful way.
00:42:58.460 --> 00:43:00.599 Dr. Charles Warter: So I call it that holy company.
00:43:00.990 --> 00:43:01.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:43:01.490 --> 00:43:03.530 Dr. Charles Warter: And the third thing is service.
00:43:04.990 --> 00:43:06.309 Dr. Charles Warter: We need to serve.
00:43:06.640 --> 00:43:18.749 Dr. Charles Warter: We need to put ourselves in the position, and I don't mean we need to serve the poor, because we're so rich and we can give them something. No. Sometimes we need to serve those who serve.
00:43:19.390 --> 00:43:26.120 Dr. Charles Warter: And establish a flow of energy that goes from abundance to scarcity.
00:43:26.710 --> 00:43:27.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.410 Dr. Charles Warter: not prevailing in scarcity.
00:43:32.330 --> 00:43:33.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:40.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Recognizing that there's more than enough for everyone, and how can we contribute to…
00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:44.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Bringing more abundance to more people.
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:51.669 Dr. Charles Warter: I use a term… I say there are two kinds of human beings.
00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:54.310 Dr. Charles Warter: Taking place on the planet today.
00:43:55.910 --> 00:43:57.290 Dr. Charles Warter: the aliens…
00:43:57.670 --> 00:44:08.620 Dr. Charles Warter: And the aliens are defined as such. They don't love the Earth, they don't love people, they want to pocket anything they can during the
00:44:10.140 --> 00:44:13.629 Dr. Charles Warter: Short period of time that they think they're gonna be here.
00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:16.800 Dr. Charles Warter: And then we have extraterrestrials.
00:44:17.420 --> 00:44:22.350 Dr. Charles Warter: Extraterrestrial means that they operate with a mind.
00:44:22.530 --> 00:44:24.910 Dr. Charles Warter: That is not just terrestrial.
00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:32.029 Dr. Charles Warter: That is supra-terrestrial. That can open up to understand
00:44:32.170 --> 00:44:37.510 Dr. Charles Warter: That life doesn't only take the form Like we have.
00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:41.179 Dr. Charles Warter: Biped monkeys.
00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:47.189 Dr. Charles Warter: But it has the form of that tree that I'm watching over there.
00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:53.349 Dr. Charles Warter: But that animal that is lying at my feet, which I love, and sometimes I feel honored.
00:44:54.060 --> 00:44:58.560 Dr. Charles Warter: that they even talk to me. They don't talk English, but they talk about whoa.
00:44:58.710 --> 00:45:02.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yes, they have their own way to communicate.
00:45:03.160 --> 00:45:06.420 Dr. Charles Warter: Absolutely, and I tell you, I feel honored.
00:45:07.790 --> 00:45:09.820 Dr. Charles Warter: Graced and grateful.
00:45:16.640 --> 00:45:35.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: It appears, with the way things are moving, that we're getting closer and closer to at least some psychedelics being legalized. The rumors I hear from people in the industry is the psilocybin, they feel, could be legalized in the next 12 to 18 months.
00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:45.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Do you have any… trepidation about things being legalized. Like, there's a certain…
00:45:45.640 --> 00:45:53.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Kind of freedom, almost, in them being illegal, so those engaged in them have to do it quietly on the side.
00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:59.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Do you have any concerns around psychedelics becoming mainstream in any way?
00:46:02.300 --> 00:46:10.090 Dr. Charles Warter: I trust that if they are taken in the right setting, With the right intention.
00:46:10.460 --> 00:46:12.129 Dr. Charles Warter: And in the right amount.
00:46:15.130 --> 00:46:17.090 Dr. Charles Warter: There is no problem with them.
00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:25.950 Dr. Charles Warter: What I am concerned is they can be used In a negative way, too.
00:46:26.140 --> 00:46:34.250 Dr. Charles Warter: So as to believe that because I took one and I had a great experience, I have solved every problem in my life.
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.460 Dr. Charles Warter: And that has not happened.
00:46:36.910 --> 00:46:37.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:43.339 Dr. Charles Warter: Another one is to recommend them right and left.
00:46:43.580 --> 00:46:56.200 Dr. Charles Warter: There is a book that I was going to endorse and then decided not to, called Psychedelics for Everyone. Psychedelics are not for everyone. When I went to Brazil.
00:46:56.570 --> 00:47:01.030 Dr. Charles Warter: And I went to this ayahuasca community, which I had met
00:47:01.160 --> 00:47:13.509 Dr. Charles Warter: in Europe and in the States, and they told me that they had a ecological community, and I supported them for a while, and then went there. And when I saw little kids.
00:47:13.970 --> 00:47:16.780 Dr. Charles Warter: Smoking hashish and marijuana.
00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:27.429 Dr. Charles Warter: This is not ecological. This is not for everyone. The brain of those little children needs to develop so that it can become undeveloped.
00:47:28.090 --> 00:47:29.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm… Hmm.
00:47:33.310 --> 00:47:34.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:47:34.970 --> 00:47:39.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, it's not for everyone, and it's certainly not for people who
00:47:39.940 --> 00:47:45.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Might be experiencing things like bipolar, schizophrenia, like, if they're already
00:47:46.990 --> 00:47:55.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: unstable. Psychedelics could potentially make them more unstable, so you do want to be careful, and I've had heard of
00:47:55.460 --> 00:48:13.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: people who really didn't know what they were doing went down to Colombia or Brazil and did ayahuasca and came back, and their whole personality changed in a negative way, not in a positive way, and they… they felt like the entities all around them and in them.
00:48:14.010 --> 00:48:20.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So there are real dangers around it, like, you really have to have some discernment about
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:30.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: who you're doing it with and how you're going about engaging in these substances. I mean, if they're sacred substances, we have to really approach it sacredly, don't…
00:48:31.210 --> 00:48:39.379 Dr. Charles Warter: Absolutely, I couldn't be more than a thousand percent in agreement with this. There is an industry, flourishing industry.
00:48:39.650 --> 00:48:42.790 Dr. Charles Warter: in South America, especially in Peru.
00:48:42.790 --> 00:48:43.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:48:43.420 --> 00:48:46.909 Dr. Charles Warter: That sells a session with ayahuasca.
00:48:47.330 --> 00:48:47.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:48:47.810 --> 00:48:52.320 Dr. Charles Warter: Where there is no integration or interpretation, and therefore.
00:48:53.410 --> 00:49:00.680 Dr. Charles Warter: A trigger of a mental state which wasn't balanced at the time could become permanent.
00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:01.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:15.210 Dr. Charles Warter: And a psychotic break can take place. And we mention… I mention that in the book, because it's very important not to try to find psychedelics as the ultimate solution.
00:49:15.910 --> 00:49:28.459 Dr. Charles Warter: The ultimate solution is discovering who we are, and navigating from our heart, through our mind, into the higher dimensions of consciousness that we also exist.
00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:32.080 Dr. Charles Warter: And this I didn't discover with
00:49:32.430 --> 00:49:44.449 Dr. Charles Warter: any substance. As I was telling you before, I joined this group, and that's where I became more familiarized with them. But I was having meditations that were spontaneous.
00:49:45.040 --> 00:49:50.550 Dr. Charles Warter: And I remember a friend of mine saying… I was having them in the Jewish domain.
00:49:51.370 --> 00:49:53.249 Dr. Charles Warter: So he sent me to a rabbi.
00:49:53.680 --> 00:49:54.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:49:54.700 --> 00:50:00.779 Dr. Charles Warter: I went to the rabbi, I told him my experience, and the rabbi said, This is with LSD?
00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:03.879 Dr. Charles Warter: Same thing as the publisher.
00:50:05.150 --> 00:50:17.420 Dr. Charles Warter: So I realized that I had to master this, and I did. I was very young, and I had done every experience available with hundreds of pages of notes.
00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:32.659 Dr. Charles Warter: That served me for some books later. And then I spent 12 years not taking anything, because if I… my reasoning was this, if I am capable of this experience, when I'm having a psychedelic.
00:50:33.070 --> 00:50:37.160 Dr. Charles Warter: That means that I am capable of that experience.
00:50:37.160 --> 00:50:38.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Mmm…
00:50:38.080 --> 00:50:40.949 Dr. Charles Warter: And I want to reside in that one.
00:50:41.420 --> 00:50:49.800 Dr. Charles Warter: Which, without… the medicine can have the experience. And for 12 years, I spent just meditating.
00:50:50.090 --> 00:50:52.670 Dr. Charles Warter: And I got to have beautiful experiences.
00:50:53.190 --> 00:50:53.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Tomorrow.
00:50:54.780 --> 00:50:59.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: What's your meditation practice like today? How long do you.
00:50:59.060 --> 00:51:05.170 Dr. Charles Warter: My meditation practice today is that I find myself in meditations throughout the day.
00:51:05.560 --> 00:51:06.135 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Oh…
00:51:06.710 --> 00:51:08.269 Dr. Charles Warter: The minute I shut up.
00:51:08.730 --> 00:51:09.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The minute.
00:51:09.420 --> 00:51:11.050 Dr. Charles Warter: they disconnect.
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.750 Dr. Charles Warter: From the local environment.
00:51:14.140 --> 00:51:16.150 Dr. Charles Warter: I am in an ecstatic state.
00:51:17.220 --> 00:51:22.420 Dr. Charles Warter: And the moment I am telling you this, I am in ecstatic state right now.
00:51:22.850 --> 00:51:26.509 Dr. Charles Warter: Because sharing it is even more eschatogenic.
00:51:29.990 --> 00:51:31.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah, so it's kind of like…
00:51:32.830 --> 00:51:38.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: The purpose to take psychedelics is to get to the day when you don't need to take psychedelics and you can.
00:51:38.430 --> 00:51:45.530 Dr. Charles Warter: Exactly, and Alan Watts, who I had the privilege of knowing in the last years of his life.
00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:48.090 Dr. Charles Warter: 72, 73.
00:51:48.470 --> 00:51:55.270 Dr. Charles Warter: Used to say, when the phone rings and you pick it up, And you get the message.
00:51:55.770 --> 00:51:59.980 Dr. Charles Warter: And the phone rings again, there is no need to picking it up.
00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:02.020 Dr. Charles Warter: You already got the message.
00:52:04.040 --> 00:52:13.250 Dr. Charles Warter: And the message is a transformative, it's a transmutation message. The low opinion that we have of just being human.
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:18.610 Dr. Charles Warter: Needs to change into the magnificence of what it means.
00:52:19.140 --> 00:52:21.209 Dr. Charles Warter: To be divinely human.
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:26.180 Dr. Charles Warter: And not allow The negative emotions.
00:52:26.740 --> 00:52:28.200 Dr. Charles Warter: Any breath.
00:52:28.710 --> 00:52:29.890 Dr. Charles Warter: of ours.
00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:41.480 Dr. Charles Warter: When we catch ourselves, when I catch myself going into that road, I asked myself, Is navigating here.
00:52:41.890 --> 00:52:50.900 Dr. Charles Warter: gonna bring me closer to this relationship? Gonna bring me better to my job? Is it gonna allow me to discover something new?
00:52:51.040 --> 00:52:52.340 Dr. Charles Warter: And I listen.
00:52:52.720 --> 00:53:00.209 Dr. Charles Warter: And the example of that is, no, this is not taking you anywhere, and I obey. I listen, and I obey.
00:53:00.410 --> 00:53:07.230 Dr. Charles Warter: I have trained myself to listen to that inner voice, which really wants the best for us.
00:53:12.930 --> 00:53:15.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: How do we learn to listen to that voice more?
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:18.629 Dr. Charles Warter: It's a practice.
00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:19.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Meh.
00:53:19.820 --> 00:53:25.560 Dr. Charles Warter: It's a practice. We listen once. I'll give you an example. A few years ago, I had cancer.
00:53:26.220 --> 00:53:26.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Huh.
00:53:26.640 --> 00:53:32.489 Dr. Charles Warter: And… I was visited by a doctor that was on call in that particular clinic.
00:53:33.230 --> 00:53:38.130 Dr. Charles Warter: And every day he would come and we would talk. We'd talk, I don't know what we talked about, but we talked.
00:53:38.250 --> 00:53:40.660 Dr. Charles Warter: And one day, he tells me.
00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:45.550 Dr. Charles Warter: I get more out of being
00:53:45.890 --> 00:53:50.670 Dr. Charles Warter: a listener to our conversations, and that's why I come every day.
00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:54.230 Dr. Charles Warter: Than what you get out of my oncological visit.
00:53:55.260 --> 00:54:02.649 Dr. Charles Warter: Then I reframed, in my mind's eye, this whole pathological situation I had been diagnosed with.
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.389 Dr. Charles Warter: Not a happy diagnosis when they tell you you have cancer.
00:54:07.610 --> 00:54:08.979 Dr. Charles Warter: And they reframed it.
00:54:09.750 --> 00:54:11.809 Dr. Charles Warter: That this was a test.
00:54:12.340 --> 00:54:18.249 Dr. Charles Warter: Given from myself to myself to recognize, if I was still the same one.
00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:20.630 Dr. Charles Warter: with hair, because I lost it.
00:54:20.830 --> 00:54:21.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: With.
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.319 Dr. Charles Warter: pain, because I had it.
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.440 Dr. Charles Warter: And I came to the conclusion that, yes, I am the same.
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:28.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm…
00:54:28.470 --> 00:54:35.320 Dr. Charles Warter: It's almost like a cosmic marriage. For rich, for poor, In sickness and in health.
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:37.559 Dr. Charles Warter: For as long as we live.
00:54:43.700 --> 00:54:53.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: So your book, Psychedelics and Human Potential, It's really about… Where we're going to.
00:54:55.240 --> 00:54:57.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: As a species, in a way.
00:54:58.650 --> 00:55:03.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: With all that's going on in today's world, and all the things you see.
00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:09.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Are you still hopeful about the future? Do you still think… Will… Yes.
00:55:09.240 --> 00:55:27.169 Dr. Charles Warter: But it will take a couple of hundred years for us to stabilize our consciousness. This is not going to be an awakening that's massive in the next few decades. What we're going to go through in the next decades is the adoration of artificial intelligence.
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:27.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:35.859 Dr. Charles Warter: And we have to be careful, because some people that are experts might use it not for the highest good of all concerned.
00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:37.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Right, right.
00:55:40.770 --> 00:55:42.690 Dr. Charles Warter: But in 300 years.
00:55:43.750 --> 00:55:49.040 Dr. Charles Warter: Will be a better… systemic planet. Or maybe less.
00:55:49.370 --> 00:55:53.409 Dr. Charles Warter: The minute we find out that there is life in the universe.
00:55:53.640 --> 00:55:59.570 Dr. Charles Warter: That is not just our life, or the tree life, or the dog life.
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:01.030 Dr. Charles Warter: But life.
00:56:02.020 --> 00:56:04.449 Dr. Charles Warter: Life that gets to be loved.
00:56:04.670 --> 00:56:07.080 Dr. Charles Warter: And this love for life is light.
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.610 Dr. Charles Warter: And that's what I feel.
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:16.110 Dr. Charles Warter: In meditation, or outside of meditation, if you want to call it that way.
00:56:17.010 --> 00:56:17.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Hmm.
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.049 Dr. Charles Warter: It's a love for life.
00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:21.630 Dr. Charles Warter: I love my life.
00:56:21.810 --> 00:56:24.620 Dr. Charles Warter: And I tried to teach people to love theirs.
00:56:26.570 --> 00:56:27.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful.
00:56:29.670 --> 00:56:30.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: You know?
00:56:30.980 --> 00:56:35.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Easy to say when you, quote-unquote, feel you have a good life.
00:56:35.310 --> 00:56:41.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Not so easy when you have a life that feels more filled with struggle and hardship.
00:56:41.570 --> 00:56:44.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: But still, you can learn to love that life, too.
00:56:44.290 --> 00:56:47.339 Dr. Charles Warter: And let me tell you, my life has had both.
00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:59.700 Dr. Charles Warter: Extremely. When I was 18, I said, I want to have every experience possible. If I would be 18 today, I would say, I want to have every good experience possible.
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.950 Dr. Charles Warter: Because I've had the others, too. Yeah. And… I'm the same.
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:06.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Yeah.
00:57:08.270 --> 00:57:21.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Well, Dr. Water, it's truly, truly been a pleasure having you on my show today. If people want to learn more about you, your programs, get in touch with you, where can they find you online? Where should they go?
00:57:21.580 --> 00:57:28.609 Dr. Charles Warter: Very easy. My website is Dr. Walther, D-R-W-A-R-T-E-R dot com.
00:57:29.520 --> 00:57:30.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Perfect.
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:31.689 Dr. Charles Warter: Couldn't get easier.
00:57:32.110 --> 00:57:35.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Do you have any events coming up that people should be on the lookout for?
00:57:35.610 --> 00:57:40.490 Dr. Charles Warter: Yes, I have a retreat coming up in October, October 1, 2, 3, 4.
00:57:40.570 --> 00:57:41.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Cut it.
00:57:41.520 --> 00:57:42.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Beautiful. Beautiful.
00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:44.579 Dr. Charles Warter: And it's about the human promise.
00:57:45.050 --> 00:57:46.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:57:48.230 --> 00:57:51.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Well, Dr. Warder, thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to come on.
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.670 Dr. Charles Warter: Thank you so much for your understanding every time I'd have to postpone it.
00:57:55.670 --> 00:58:10.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: No problem. And definitely, let's keep in touch, and you'll let me know when your next book comes out, and we'll have you come back and talk about the superintelligence that we can develop.
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:13.300 Dr. Charles Warter: Thank you very much.
00:58:13.690 --> 00:58:14.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Thank you.
00:58:15.130 --> 00:58:29.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc.
00:58:29.820 --> 00:58:41.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: And in all your favorite podcasting platforms, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Amazon, wherever you love to listen to podcasts, you can find The Conscious Consultant Hour.
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:46.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Consious Consultant: Take care, everyone. We will talk to you all next week.
00:59:01.850 --> 00:59:02.780 Dr. Charles Warter: Thank you so much.
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