This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Lisa Biritz, author of Shamanic Soul Retrieval and the Shamanic Star Wisdom Oracle deck.
Drawing from years of study in Core Shamanism, the Hawaiian Huna tradition, and teachings from respected lineage holders, Lisa brings a deeply experiential understanding of how ancient wisdom can support modern healing. Splitting her time between Hawaii and Austria, she leads seminars and immersive experiences that reconnect people to nature, spirit, and their own inner wholeness.
In this fascinating conversation, Lisa introduces the concept of shamanic soul retrieval, the idea that parts of our soul can fragment and separate due to trauma, stress, or overwhelming life experiences. She explains how this “soul loss” can show up in our lives as low energy, disconnection, addiction, or a feeling that something essential is missing. Through practical insight and grounded examples, Lisa shares how these lost parts can be called back, restoring vitality, clarity, and a deeper sense of self.
Together, Sam and Lisa explore what it truly means to be whole, not just as individuals, but as communities and even as a planet. They discuss how soul loss can affect relationships, societies, and our connection to the natural world, and how healing is possible on all levels. This episode is an invitation to look inward, reclaim what has been lost, and rediscover the light, strength, and completeness that have always been within you.
Tune in and share your own questions and comments about energetic wholeness on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
This episode opens with host Sam Liebowitz honoring a friend lost to suicide, offering a heartfelt reminder that we never truly know the pain others carry — and encouraging listeners to reach out to those who may be struggling rather than waiting for them to ask for help. Sam then shares a blog reflection on the irreplaceable richness of in-person human connection, noting that while virtual communication serves a purpose, it cannot substitute for the warmth, presence, and depth that comes from being physically together with others. The episode's guest, Lisa Biritz, shares her journey from journalist to shamanic healer — describing how 20+ years of study in core shamanism, Hawaiian Huna, and indigenous traditions led her to a path of authentic soul-level healing that helped her address what conventional medicine and therapy could not.
In this segment, Lisa Biritz explains shamanic soul retrieval as the practice of calling back fragmented pieces of our soul that split off during trauma, stress, or overwhelming experiences — describing the soul as a "ball of light" that loses pieces over time, manifesting as depression, addiction, chronic illness, or a persistent sense of emptiness. She walks listeners through the practice itself, which involves entering a meditative state, invoking a spirit guide, and journeying to reconnect with lost soul parts — reassuring them that they don't have to do this work alone, as spiritual helpers are always available the moment we ask. Lisa also shares that even after decades of deep practice, her greatest current spiritual teacher is parenting her teenage twins — a humbling reminder that no matter how much wisdom we accumulate, life always offers new edges for growth and surrender.
00:00:43.830 --> 00:00:54.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity.
00:00:54.090 --> 00:01:05.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We've got another wonderful show with a great author coming on in just a few minutes.
00:01:05.620 --> 00:01:09.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm sure you'll really appreciate this show.
00:01:09.600 --> 00:01:14.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Before I get into my blog post, I just want to…
00:01:14.570 --> 00:01:27.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: briefly talk about something that I learned happened this week. On Monday, I got a call from a friend of mine letting me know that a mutual friend of ours on the West Coast
00:01:27.260 --> 00:01:29.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Had, died by suicide.
00:01:30.270 --> 00:01:31.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And…
00:01:32.220 --> 00:01:38.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, I knew this woman, I've known her for a few years virtually, I didn't know her very, very well.
00:01:39.800 --> 00:01:41.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But… I didn't know her.
00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:45.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… The news kind of really…
00:01:46.220 --> 00:01:48.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hit me a little bit hard.
00:01:49.320 --> 00:01:57.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, I was shocked because of the work that she did, That she would do…
00:01:57.960 --> 00:01:59.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Take her own life like that.
00:02:00.720 --> 00:02:05.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to me, it was just a big lesson in…
00:02:05.960 --> 00:02:10.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We never really know how much pain someone else is holding on to.
00:02:10.729 --> 00:02:15.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I just want to say that if…
00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You have a friend you haven't spoken to in a long time.
00:02:19.270 --> 00:02:25.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you know someone who's been dealing with depression, reach out to them. Don't wait for them to reach out to you.
00:02:26.150 --> 00:02:30.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Unfortunately, when people are feeling so bad, they don't reach out to people.
00:02:31.230 --> 00:02:34.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's our job to reach out to them, so…
00:02:35.330 --> 00:02:41.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just want to dedicate this show to Dawn, and I hope,
00:02:41.670 --> 00:02:44.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Your soul is at peace now.
00:02:46.250 --> 00:02:52.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And kind of a relevant, blog post this week, because the title is…
00:02:52.290 --> 00:02:56.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is no substitute for being with people in real life.
00:02:58.300 --> 00:03:01.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We now live in a world that is a hybrid.
00:03:01.490 --> 00:03:05.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A hybrid of both the virtual world and the real world.
00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:10.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Coming together from all over on computer screens.
00:03:10.820 --> 00:03:15.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet there is still life happening right in front of us.
00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the reality of this physical world.
00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We still need to touch other people.
00:03:23.670 --> 00:03:27.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To see them. To hold them. To smell them.
00:03:27.670 --> 00:03:32.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We are still living in physical bodies that have physical senses.
00:03:33.270 --> 00:03:38.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And as much as going virtual has opened us to meeting people from around the globe.
00:03:38.930 --> 00:03:43.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It does not replace connecting with people in our own town.
00:03:44.030 --> 00:03:45.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It cannot.
00:03:45.850 --> 00:03:50.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For the experience of being with someone who is right in front of us.
00:03:51.140 --> 00:03:58.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Looking into their eyes, hearing their real voice, is not something that can be replaced.
00:03:58.930 --> 00:04:06.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is a joy that comes from the connection to the people who are in the same room as we are.
00:04:07.480 --> 00:04:11.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To being present to what their whole body says.
00:04:11.620 --> 00:04:18.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And to feeling the tactile sense of a handshake, a hug, or a kiss on the cheek.
00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:24.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For some people, so much of life is now spent online.
00:04:24.290 --> 00:04:29.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In that flat, distant connection that happens through our computers and phones.
00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:32.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it does serve a purpose.
00:04:33.110 --> 00:04:37.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It does help to be able to connect with loved ones who are far away.
00:04:38.810 --> 00:04:44.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we still need to have the real-life experience of being with people.
00:04:45.500 --> 00:04:49.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In being so close to them that you can touch them.
00:04:49.610 --> 00:04:52.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Feel the air move between you.
00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:56.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Watching how they sit in their chair, or stand up straight.
00:04:57.050 --> 00:05:02.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is so much richness in the moment when we are with someone in person.
00:05:03.230 --> 00:05:10.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The light that comes from their eyes, or the comfort of their voice, it all makes a difference to us.
00:05:11.320 --> 00:05:19.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet it is easy to lose that richness when we get so used to connecting through the virtual world.
00:05:20.960 --> 00:05:28.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Coming together in person builds more trust and deeper relationships than we can possibly create at a distance.
00:05:29.730 --> 00:05:36.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So perhaps we can learn to value that in-person experience a bit more.
00:05:36.970 --> 00:05:44.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe we can remember what it is like to hold another human being and be held.
00:05:45.370 --> 00:05:47.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The joy of that physical connection.
00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:52.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the comfort of their presence in their lives.
00:05:52.840 --> 00:05:57.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nothing can replace being in the presence of those we love.
00:05:59.030 --> 00:06:04.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So let us remind ourselves just how precious those experiences are.
00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:11.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Making just a little room in our life for actually being in the same room with people.
00:06:12.750 --> 00:06:18.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There's no replacement for the physical connection, no matter how good our screens get.
00:06:19.990 --> 00:06:23.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So where in your own life can you make some room?
00:06:23.460 --> 00:06:26.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For seeing people more in person.
00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:33.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Unlike most of my blog posts that
00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:41.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There was some incident, or something happened, that caused me to write about a certain topic.
00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This one, there wasn't anything specific, it was really just…
00:06:48.070 --> 00:06:51.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I was just missing being with people.
00:06:52.290 --> 00:06:55.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It was really just a feeling of…
00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:05.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: having been on Zoom most of my day for weeks on end, as I usually am, talking to people all over the place.
00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:10.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how much I truly missed getting together and seeing people in person.
00:07:11.430 --> 00:07:17.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I remember before the pandemic, I was a member of a number of different
00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:23.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: networking groups here in New York City, and we always used to meet in person, like, once a month.
00:07:23.310 --> 00:07:27.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, some groups more frequently than that, some less.
00:07:28.400 --> 00:07:31.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then the pandemic hit, and everything went virtual.
00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:34.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now…
00:07:34.910 --> 00:07:41.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so many of those groups don't meet in person on a regular basis. I mean, they might have an in-person meeting once every
00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: 3 or 4 months when the weather is nice.
00:07:47.200 --> 00:07:52.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But not so much anymore, because, especially in New York City, it's hard to…
00:07:52.350 --> 00:07:57.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Find a space to hold a networking group that you don't have to pay a ton of money for.
00:07:59.980 --> 00:08:04.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And in talking to other people, I find it's the same in many, many places.
00:08:05.310 --> 00:08:09.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, for those people who live remotely and live
00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:19.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, in rural areas, or live in a place where they have to drive an hour and a half to get to a center of population. I mean, it's great. It's great, it's wonderful.
00:08:21.760 --> 00:08:28.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But it doesn't replace being in person with people. It doesn't replace that human contact that…
00:08:29.110 --> 00:08:32.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, being able to really hold someone and hug someone.
00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:40.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I just knew, if I'm feeling this way, if I'm feeling like…
00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm missing being in the presence of people.
00:08:44.290 --> 00:08:48.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are other people out there also missing that.
00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:53.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I… this blog post is just really giving voice to that feeling.
00:08:55.470 --> 00:08:59.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's just allowing it to be okay.
00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:02.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That that's what I feel.
00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And maybe that's what you feel.
00:09:06.210 --> 00:09:07.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe not.
00:09:07.570 --> 00:09:16.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe you have a big family, and you have, you know, brothers and sisters and cousins and children running around your house all the time.
00:09:17.420 --> 00:09:21.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But these days, I feel like that's more the exception than the rule.
00:09:22.230 --> 00:09:27.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I feel like… It's an important reminder.
00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:36.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But while being on the computer, or being on our phones, you know, is… is… is… can make us feel connected.
00:09:38.380 --> 00:09:41.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's not the same as being connected in real life.
00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:47.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I just hope that… We never lose that.
00:09:47.670 --> 00:09:49.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Desire.
00:09:49.610 --> 00:09:51.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To be with people in real life.
00:09:53.710 --> 00:09:59.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now look… People in general can disappoint. People can be difficult, people can be crazy.
00:09:59.770 --> 00:10:02.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I know. I know.
00:10:05.610 --> 00:10:09.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there's still… Tremendous value.
00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In being in the same room with other people.
00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:17.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So…
00:10:20.590 --> 00:10:24.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I guess, this message for this week is…
00:10:24.530 --> 00:10:28.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Find an opportunity to be in the same room with other people.
00:10:29.190 --> 00:10:30.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who share an interest.
00:10:31.460 --> 00:10:38.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, meetup is still a thing. There are tons of meetup groups. Find a meetup group that appeals to you.
00:10:38.900 --> 00:10:42.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe find some kind of social group.
00:10:42.760 --> 00:10:49.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you haven't been social, if you've been primarily staying home and not going out.
00:10:49.670 --> 00:10:52.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Find a way to connect to other human beings.
00:10:53.690 --> 00:10:58.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who you would just like to be in their presence, and go and be in their presence.
00:10:59.140 --> 00:11:00.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And let me know.
00:11:01.210 --> 00:11:03.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If that's different for you.
00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did that feel? How was that for you?
00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:15.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because sometimes, when we've… Not had something in our life for a long time. We forget the feeling.
00:11:15.650 --> 00:11:18.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then when we re-engage with it.
00:11:19.160 --> 00:11:22.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Suddenly, something opens up that we didn't expect.
00:11:23.450 --> 00:11:25.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, that's my blog post.
00:11:26.060 --> 00:11:30.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The title is, There's No Substitute for Being With People in Real Life.
00:11:31.250 --> 00:11:43.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, you can always find my blog at my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com, and on the station's website, talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:11:44.650 --> 00:11:53.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, now, it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Lisa Beeritz. Beeritz?
00:11:53.390 --> 00:11:55.910 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, Buretz, you pronounced it just right.
00:11:56.150 --> 00:12:10.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, perfect. I wasn't sure, I didn't get a chance to check with you before. Author of Shamanic Soul Retrieval, a wonderful little book that we're going to be talking a lot about, as well as the Shamanic Star Wisdom Oracle Deck.
00:12:10.460 --> 00:12:30.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Drawing from years… that I didn't get, I would like… I gotta get that. Drawing from years of study in core shamanism, the Hawaiian Huna tradition, and teachings from respected lineage holders, Lisa brings a deeply experiential understanding of how ancient wisdom can support modern healing.
00:12:30.070 --> 00:12:41.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Splitting her time between Hawaii and Austria, she leads seminars and immersive experiences that reconnect people to nature, spirit, and their own inner wholeness.
00:12:41.890 --> 00:12:50.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Lisa introduces the concept of shamanic soul retrieval, the idea that parts of our soul that can fragment.
00:12:50.810 --> 00:13:06.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and separate due to trauma, stress, or overwhelming life experiences. And she explains how this soul loss can show up in our lives as low energy, disconnection, addiction, or a feeling that something essential is missing.
00:13:07.370 --> 00:13:18.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Through practical insight and grounded examples, Lisa shares how these lost parts can be called back, restoring vitality, clarity, and a deeper sense of self.
00:13:18.550 --> 00:13:21.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Lisa.
00:13:21.420 --> 00:13:24.830 Lisa Biritz: Hi, Sam, thank you so much for having me.
00:13:24.830 --> 00:13:27.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, absolutely, you're so welcome.
00:13:27.890 --> 00:13:36.330 Lisa Biritz: And I'm sorry for your loss first, Don, about your friend, so may, light go on with our soul.
00:13:36.570 --> 00:13:37.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:13:37.530 --> 00:13:41.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Lisa. I really appreciate that.
00:13:41.650 --> 00:13:43.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, again, it's… it's…
00:13:43.950 --> 00:13:50.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, sometimes something happens to someone we know, but we're not that close with, and it affects us more than we
00:13:50.610 --> 00:13:54.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Expected it would, and this one just kind of caught me by surprise.
00:13:56.230 --> 00:14:07.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you get into studying about shamanism and these indigenous traditions? You know, it's not something that…
00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:13.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, it's becoming more and more popular, but it's not something quite as mainstream as a lot of…
00:14:13.660 --> 00:14:32.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: studies are. So I'm curious, like, when you were growing up, did you have exposure to this? Did you always have kind of a calling to seek out different things, or was this something that developed later in life, or was there something specific that called you towards it?
00:14:32.820 --> 00:14:44.500 Lisa Biritz: No, I didn't grow up with this at all, which is possibly why, I was looking for answers and help in certain areas.
00:14:44.530 --> 00:14:56.950 Lisa Biritz: And I came across it when I was around 20, 21. I was, traveling… I was working as a journalist, and I was traveling to, Namibia.
00:14:56.950 --> 00:15:08.449 Lisa Biritz: With a reporter, and came across, shamanism and shamanic practices there the first time, and it absolutely intrigued me, and I felt…
00:15:08.450 --> 00:15:16.799 Lisa Biritz: I want to learn more, I want to experience more. And I had a lot of issues in my life, health issues, emotional issues.
00:15:16.860 --> 00:15:34.139 Lisa Biritz: were regular psychotherapy education wasn't really helping me, medicine giving me answers, and I started getting the answers in those areas that I was looking for. I also learned a lot about other…
00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:50.879 Lisa Biritz: types of teachings, and, and also got a lot of good from those. Buddhism and who knows what else, a lot, but, probably, the shamanic teachings have, stayed with me the longest.
00:15:51.190 --> 00:15:56.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So there was something about the shamanic teachings that just resonated with you more deeply?
00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.020 Lisa Biritz: It worked. That was the main thing.
00:15:59.510 --> 00:16:17.479 Lisa Biritz: But, the problems that I had, it literally worked. It made, things that I was dealing with for years, that I was just stuck on, it made me understand them, see them from a different perspective, and, move on, and heal. So, that's.
00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:22.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Could you maybe give us an example of just maybe one thing you were struggling with that…
00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:32.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That nothing else was helping, and then… and, like, what kind of a shamanic practice really helped you to move forward from that struggle?
00:16:32.160 --> 00:16:39.379 Lisa Biritz: Yeah. So, I had, I used to be a competitive athlete.
00:16:39.380 --> 00:16:52.249 Lisa Biritz: And, and a fairly decent one as well. And I had a lot of, due to, all the running and jumping, I had a lot of back pain, and the doctors
00:16:52.250 --> 00:17:03.310 Lisa Biritz: were convinced that I would have to get, operation pretty early on. And, I, of course, went into yoga, I started doing that.
00:17:03.310 --> 00:17:21.829 Lisa Biritz: But then, when I started working, and this took years, so this was a process that I was going through for years, and then when I came across the shamanic work, and I really started learning, in this area, and I did, I received, soul retrieval and extraction.
00:17:22.089 --> 00:17:40.769 Lisa Biritz: it went away fairly soon, within a couple of weeks, and it hasn't come back. I mean, yeah, I still need to stretch and exercise normal, like everybody else, especially when we sit a lot in front of the computer, but but, yeah. But the issues that were connected to that,
00:17:40.910 --> 00:17:53.690 Lisa Biritz: it just worked, and I can give many examples like that, several from myself and also from other people. And, you know, it works for some people, it doesn't work for other people, it's…
00:17:53.690 --> 00:18:05.519 Lisa Biritz: I don't believe in only one path. The paths that we find to healing and to wisdom are so multifaceted as there are types of
00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:14.800 Lisa Biritz: people, plants, animals on our planet, and it's supposed to be exactly like that. There is no one path better than the other.
00:18:15.010 --> 00:18:15.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:18:16.340 --> 00:18:20.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And how long did you… you studied all these things?
00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:25.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Before you kind of felt the calling that you should publish something about it.
00:18:26.530 --> 00:18:31.989 Lisa Biritz: I'd say about, before I would publish.
00:18:31.990 --> 00:18:54.959 Lisa Biritz: That was around 20 years. Articles, yeah. I like writing articles earlier on, because I was trained as a journalist, that's what I did in university and worked in for quite a long time before I switched full-time to the healing work. But actually publishing books about it, that was about 20 years, yeah.
00:18:55.490 --> 00:18:56.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, and what…
00:18:57.330 --> 00:19:05.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of was the impetus for you to switch into doing the healing work full-time? Like, what got you to kind of make that step of, like.
00:19:05.670 --> 00:19:07.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this is my path.
00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:26.810 Lisa Biritz: I was on a… at that point, even though I really loved working in mainstream journalism, and I was also what you would consider successful, I realized it was a dead end for me in terms of depth. I am not a superficial person, even though I enjoy
00:19:26.840 --> 00:19:39.530 Lisa Biritz: going out, and having fun, and dancing, and, you know, all that, and art, and food. I can do it, and I enjoy it regularly, like you were saying in your blog. It's so important.
00:19:39.530 --> 00:19:55.710 Lisa Biritz: to be with people in real person, and I try to enjoy that as much as I can with my loved ones, my family, and also friends going out and just doing stuff together and enjoying life at the surface.
00:19:55.710 --> 00:20:04.610 Lisa Biritz: And at the same time, I… I have a hard time connecting with… anything…
00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:19.200 Lisa Biritz: work, people, where I don't feel that there is a certain depth or willingness to really go down to where it's dark and icky and into the shadows.
00:20:19.340 --> 00:20:21.669 Lisa Biritz: So, yeah.
00:20:23.690 --> 00:20:30.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, like, you studied this stuff for a long time.
00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:37.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was there some… a specific incident or something that got you to say, you know what, I need to step into this full-time, I need to.
00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:49.250 Lisa Biritz: Exactly, that's where we were at. I got a little sidetracked, sorry. And I didn't have that in journalism anymore, and then I, at the same time had already been studying
00:20:49.250 --> 00:21:01.080 Lisa Biritz: these areas for a really long time. People were starting to approach me about it, to do sessions with them. My spirit guides were telling me that I should do this.
00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:12.640 Lisa Biritz: I was a little bit nervous about it, but I also felt like I wanted to do it, and then I just said, okay, there was a certain incident at work where I just really felt like it was
00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:24.950 Lisa Biritz: time to go, time to move on. You know, when unpleasant things happen, a lot of times they're showing us it's time to move on in some way if we missed
00:21:24.970 --> 00:21:31.160 Lisa Biritz: the calling earlier, so… yeah. So that's what I did, and it,
00:21:31.260 --> 00:21:46.869 Lisa Biritz: it just evolved beautifully. I mean, the first couple of years, just living day by day, but never having to go in any debt, and that was great. And then it just, from there on, just bloomed more and more and more.
00:21:46.870 --> 00:21:49.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And how long ago was that that you made that transition?
00:21:50.470 --> 00:21:53.890 Lisa Biritz: Oh, that would be about 20 years now, yeah.
00:21:53.890 --> 00:21:56.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, okay, so it's been a while.
00:21:56.220 --> 00:22:01.569 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm 57, you know, and I did this in my…
00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:06.969 Lisa Biritz: early 30s, I think the transition, yeah.
00:22:07.170 --> 00:22:08.240 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Did you get a hard time from when you made the transition from, like, friends.
00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:13.760 Lisa Biritz: Yes.
00:22:14.530 --> 00:22:15.690 Lisa Biritz: I knew what you were asking.
00:22:15.690 --> 00:22:17.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just kidding. Yeah.
00:22:17.230 --> 00:22:20.130 Lisa Biritz: Yes, yes, yes, yes, a lot of…
00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:27.259 Lisa Biritz: A lot of people fell away. They couldn't understand what I was doing, they thought I was nuts.
00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:41.209 Lisa Biritz: giving up a good job in a prestigious, at the time, magazine, and I was also working for radio, and and doing something like this, and back then.
00:22:41.230 --> 00:22:55.740 Lisa Biritz: it was much less known than it is nowadays. It's luckily become more and more into the public eye again, all these alternative ancient healing methods and modern-day healing methods.
00:22:56.070 --> 00:23:15.790 Lisa Biritz: And, yeah, they… my… my parents also, whew, didn't really… my mom tried to understand my dad… he didn't say it, but a friend of his said… my dad doesn't… isn't alive anymore, but a friend of his… he told me what a friend of his said. He says, oh, you've lost your daughter now, so…
00:23:16.510 --> 00:23:21.230 Lisa Biritz: So, and it's okay, you know, you have to follow your heart, but some…
00:23:21.650 --> 00:23:35.169 Lisa Biritz: Some people stayed with me up to this day, still friends and family, of course, and many, many new have come, and also many of them new friends, stayed for…
00:23:35.170 --> 00:23:41.680 Lisa Biritz: New friends that have become old friends now, that have been around for 20, over 20 years.
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:42.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful.
00:23:42.130 --> 00:23:48.740 Lisa Biritz: So, yeah, I think that's part of the journey. You've probably gone through an experience like that too, haven't you?
00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:50.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, well, I've…
00:23:50.930 --> 00:23:59.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I've gone through waves and waves of things like that happening throughout my life, because it's been such a twisty-turny journey.
00:24:00.050 --> 00:24:06.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, did any of the practices you learned help you through that period, that transition period?
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:20.789 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, all of them, all of them, and a lot of spirit beings. But the thing is, I was… I was very afraid, I was scared, of course, but I had this unwavering sense of trust and…
00:24:20.790 --> 00:24:36.729 Lisa Biritz: my intuition and also what my spirit guides were telling me, and it proved to be true, and I felt so alive. It's, I felt more alive than I had ever before, because I was walking…
00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:47.489 Lisa Biritz: my authentic path, and not the path that I was conditioned to be by family, background, and all those social…
00:24:47.490 --> 00:24:56.899 Lisa Biritz: norm, so to speak. And I can only encourage anybody going through such a transition to just go for it.
00:24:57.250 --> 00:25:00.349 Lisa Biritz: When, when, not now. It's your life.
00:25:00.530 --> 00:25:03.529 Lisa Biritz: Yeah. Not to let other people live your life.
00:25:03.790 --> 00:25:07.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. Don't let society dictate your happiness. It's…
00:25:07.660 --> 00:25:08.590 Lisa Biritz: Yes, yes.
00:25:08.590 --> 00:25:12.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: really a work, internal work.
00:25:12.970 --> 00:25:23.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So you said, and you mentioned how it was about 20 years of you studying this stuff before you started to write the book, although you had published articles along the time.
00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:31.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was there some calling? Was there something that said to you, okay, I gotta write a book now, I gotta publish something?
00:25:31.490 --> 00:25:33.450 Lisa Biritz: Oh, yeah, yeah. What happened?
00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:34.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How was that?
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:36.670 Lisa Biritz: I had been trying to write a book
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.890 Lisa Biritz: For a long time, and it just didn't work.
00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:54.229 Lisa Biritz: And and somehow I was just too busy traveling and learning things and running all over the place. And what actually made me… helped me to actually sit down and do it, my first book.
00:25:55.970 --> 00:26:15.820 Lisa Biritz: it's called The Opening, and it was the birth of my twins, because when you have twins, you're not very mobile. Like, with one baby, you just kind of hang it around the front or the back, and off you go. But with two babies, it's… I mean, we did do stuff, obviously, but it's… you're a lot more…
00:26:15.820 --> 00:26:27.519 Lisa Biritz: confined to just being at home, and I was actually really glad to be at home and just to enjoy them and have a break from running around, and I used that,
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:31.699 Lisa Biritz: first year when I was at home with them to write.
00:26:32.780 --> 00:26:35.090 Lisa Biritz: In between, when they were sleeping.
00:26:35.090 --> 00:26:44.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful, wonderful. So you made, sort of, you know, having twins, that's a pretty big life transition, but you used it to your advantage, which is wonderful.
00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:45.840 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:26:49.130 --> 00:27:02.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so, when you first sort of stepped into the healing world, did you start with this shamanic soul retrieval, or did you start with other modalities, and then that eventually evolved later?
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:16.940 Lisa Biritz: I… actually… started with shiatsu, energy work, body work, then I transitioned to energy work.
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:35.550 Lisa Biritz: I was doing that on the side, and I didn't do that very long, because I noticed pretty on… pretty soon, I realized that everything I was working with on people's bodies, the core of the issues and the problems is all on an energy level, and that's when I really,
00:27:35.550 --> 00:27:39.720 Lisa Biritz: Started also giving that, and it really…
00:27:39.730 --> 00:27:44.950 Lisa Biritz: Went very quickly, very well, so… Yeah, because of the…
00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:47.470 Lisa Biritz: trust I had in this work.
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:48.720 Lisa Biritz: Wonderful.
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:27:49.970 --> 00:27:54.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In your bio, it said you studied core shamanism.
00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:56.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for shamanism.
00:27:56.830 --> 00:28:14.080 Lisa Biritz: Right. Core shamanism is a type of Western shamanism developed by an anthropologist. He deceased quite a few years ago, Michael Harner, who realized that studying indigenous shamanic cultures around the world
00:28:14.080 --> 00:28:39.080 Lisa Biritz: that when you take away all the different cultural differences, like the clothes they wear, the languages, the different norms in their particular society, the techniques that they use are all the same, regardless if it's, like, Aboriginal Australian, or Native American Indian, or Native American South American, or Mongolian.
00:28:39.080 --> 00:28:42.140 Lisa Biritz: They have the same practices.
00:28:42.450 --> 00:29:00.800 Lisa Biritz: Some of which are also the soul retrieval and extraction, which I talk about in my book. And from this, he developed, together with Sandra Ingerman, core shamanism, because it's the core. So it's usable for Western…
00:29:00.800 --> 00:29:03.279 Lisa Biritz: People who have
00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:21.590 Lisa Biritz: we have lost the connection to our ancient shamanism, but we had it as well, yeah, or our Celtic, or wherever we come from, our various different origins. It was just lost during the Middle Ages and Middle Ages and the rise of technological society.
00:29:21.590 --> 00:29:31.499 Lisa Biritz: And and I loved… I had also learned other shamanism, and I've learned different types from different indigenous teachers around the world.
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.850 Lisa Biritz: But I loved learning this pretty early on, because
00:29:36.230 --> 00:29:41.729 Lisa Biritz: when I… whenever I go with an Indigenous shamanic teacher.
00:29:41.830 --> 00:29:45.280 Lisa Biritz: I immediately know what they're doing.
00:29:45.300 --> 00:30:02.330 Lisa Biritz: because of this core shamanic knowledge. I don't even have to know their language, I can just see it and perceive it, and I could tell that, if, like, a Western person who doesn't have this core shamanic background is watching them, it's like…
00:30:02.330 --> 00:30:15.790 Lisa Biritz: big question mark for them. They're like, what the heck is going on here? And feeling overwhelmed, and like they have to learn the language, and who knows what. And this core shamanic techniques practice.
00:30:15.870 --> 00:30:21.140 Lisa Biritz: Takes you right to the basis of what is actually being done.
00:30:21.290 --> 00:30:27.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So it sounds like it's a great foundational sort of study, where you learn the…
00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:27.660 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:38.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: foundations of all this stuff, so that then when you see how it's applied in different cultures, you have the foundation to understand the context of it.
00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:38.840 Lisa Biritz: Yes.
00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:39.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: gone.
00:30:39.670 --> 00:30:40.090 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:30:40.090 --> 00:30:44.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Without necessarily being so familiar with the actual individual rituals or the.
00:30:44.540 --> 00:30:45.240 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:45.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: cultural.
00:30:46.520 --> 00:30:59.720 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's also for anybody who's interested in learning this, Michael Harner and Sangra Ingerman developed the Foundation of Shamanic Studies, and they have,
00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:03.959 Lisa Biritz: chapters, groups, all over the world. So…
00:31:04.580 --> 00:31:16.240 Lisa Biritz: South Africa, United States, England, Europe, you can Google Foundation for Shamanic Studies, and they all teach the same type of core shamanism, which I also learned.
00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:29.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Yeah. Okay, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, I want to start getting into what is shamanic soul retrieval, and this wonderful little book, which I really appreciate the fact that it's a little book.
00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:38.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And really get into what that is, how it can help people, and maybe we'll even, before the end of the show, we'll do a little practice, if that's okay with you.
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:39.600 Lisa Biritz: Sure.
00:31:39.950 --> 00:32:00.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So, everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Wednesday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on talkradio.nyc, and all over social media, and on your favorite podcasting app. And we'll be right back with our guest, Lisa Bittress, in just a moment.
00:33:15.190 --> 00:33:19.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to The Conscious Consultant, Our Awakening Humanity.
00:33:19.860 --> 00:33:27.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So Lisa, your book is entitled, Shamanic Soul Retrieval, Calling Back Lost Parts of the Self.
00:33:27.770 --> 00:33:31.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, let's get into it. What is soul retrieval?
00:33:32.330 --> 00:33:53.169 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, so you can imagine, from a shamanic perspective, you can imagine that your soul is like a ball of light, a ball of energy. Everybody, or not everybody, but some people have seen a person who's not in their body anymore, who's passed, and the body really looks just like…
00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:55.820 Lisa Biritz: A wax figure, so…
00:33:55.900 --> 00:34:04.059 Lisa Biritz: It's this essence, it's the soul which gives it energy, which gives it vitality, which gives it life, light and life.
00:34:04.060 --> 00:34:26.929 Lisa Biritz: And we're born with that. So, for example, in Hawaiian Huna shamanism, they talk about the bowl of light that you get born with, and then you have a symbolic bowl, and on a regular basis, you have to clean out that bowl of anything that gets in there and fill it up again with the parts that have left you.
00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:42.470 Lisa Biritz: And the concept that parts leave your soul energy is why this work is so valuable, because it starts pretty early. Like, say your mother had a… something traumatic happen during your pregnancy.
00:34:43.030 --> 00:34:46.370 Lisa Biritz: That shocked her and also you because of that.
00:34:46.570 --> 00:34:59.799 Lisa Biritz: Already a part of the soul might be… part of your soul might be leaving, or something happens to you as a kid, some accident, or something, maybe abusive.
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:08.229 Lisa Biritz: Parts of your soul live, and this goes through all your lifetime, bigger and smaller experiences, and these parts of the soul leave
00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:19.240 Lisa Biritz: Because dissociate is the psychological term, because at the time, we're not able to integrate, and not able to deal with it. So, what the heck are you gonna do on your mother's
00:35:19.240 --> 00:35:30.550 Lisa Biritz: stomach when you're… when she's pregnant, how are you gonna… you're completely helpless, there's nothing you can do. Or when you're a kid, children generally are very helpless if they are around abusive parents.
00:35:30.620 --> 00:35:33.840 Lisa Biritz: Or difficult situ- situations.
00:35:34.140 --> 00:35:38.029 Lisa Biritz: And because it's too much to bear, these…
00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:48.249 Lisa Biritz: Feelings leave along with parts of our soul. And this is the reason why people who have had difficult or traumatic experiences
00:35:48.770 --> 00:35:53.139 Lisa Biritz: A lot of times can't remember anymore exactly.
00:35:53.330 --> 00:35:56.109 Lisa Biritz: what happens, it's like a shadow.
00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:57.270 Lisa Biritz: Right.
00:35:57.270 --> 00:36:04.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. It's kind of because you disassociate, we're not really present, so when we're not present, it's hard to remember what happened.
00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:05.100 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:12.519 Lisa Biritz: Exactly. And, the camera is a little unfocused. There we go.
00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:15.590 Lisa Biritz: You have to just wave your hand, and then the camera focuses again.
00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:16.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yep.
00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:18.060 Lisa Biritz: Magic.
00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:24.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, continue, please. So, so, so, our soul is like this ball of light.
00:36:24.270 --> 00:36:39.690 Lisa Biritz: And then, like, pieces of pizza will leave the soul, or little holes, or… excuse me, I just had a cold my kids brought from school, and I'm actually pretty much over it, but I can feel my voice a little, so…
00:36:39.690 --> 00:36:40.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Me too, me too.
00:36:40.780 --> 00:36:41.889 Lisa Biritz: I have a lozenge room.
00:36:41.890 --> 00:36:43.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sore throat, and…
00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:44.280 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yesterday was the first day I kind of felt like myself again.
00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:48.070 Lisa Biritz: Oh, good.
00:36:48.530 --> 00:37:00.870 Lisa Biritz: So, Yeah, and when soul parts leave, they're not… they don't disappear forever, they're just… hiding…
00:37:01.180 --> 00:37:08.229 Lisa Biritz: lost. They would… sometimes they would like to come back after the shock is over, but they don't know how.
00:37:08.240 --> 00:37:20.350 Lisa Biritz: And that's where soul retrieval comes in. This is done as a regular practice from a young age in Indigenous shamanic cultures, also once in our cultures.
00:37:20.350 --> 00:37:32.869 Lisa Biritz: But when it's… and then it's not a big deal. It's just like brushing your teeth, you know, or once a week, I don't know, you cut your nails and whatever you need to do, or go to the dentist twice a year.
00:37:33.150 --> 00:37:52.140 Lisa Biritz: But if you neglect it from an early age, it just becomes more and more and more, and more and more parts of our soul are fragmented, are dissociated, to the point where, even though we might live healthy, eat good food, rest, exercise.
00:37:52.140 --> 00:37:55.730 Lisa Biritz: Do what we love, but still feel very drained.
00:37:55.730 --> 00:37:59.529 Lisa Biritz: Get ill easily, have accidents easily, whatever.
00:38:00.040 --> 00:38:14.129 Lisa Biritz: have issues with addictions, whatever the issue is that is being caused by this. And also a very strong feeling of being not whole, like there… like a certain sense of emptiness
00:38:14.190 --> 00:38:23.420 Lisa Biritz: loneliness, like, I can say from my own experience, and also from watching other people, if I'm really full in myself.
00:38:24.050 --> 00:38:32.180 Lisa Biritz: I can be anywhere, alone, I've done, you know, aloneness retreats, or, or…
00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:50.920 Lisa Biritz: in a huge crowd, I don't know, Times Square, I was there last year, you know, some people might feel they suffocate in there, but if you're, like, well, good in your space, in your soul, then pretty much anywhere is fine, because you're full and whole in yourself, but…
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.240 Lisa Biritz: A lot of people have lost that sense.
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:54.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:38:55.460 --> 00:39:08.759 Lisa Biritz: A lot of people wake up in the morning feeling depressed. Yeah, it's more common to feel depressed waking up than feeling happy, you know, and and
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:26.590 Lisa Biritz: And so this work I find so valuable and important because of that, because from a shamanic perspective, soul loss parts are the basis of health and the reason for all illnesses.
00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:27.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:39:27.130 --> 00:39:32.290 Lisa Biritz: Type of physical illness starts with Soul loss.
00:39:32.500 --> 00:39:33.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:39:33.930 --> 00:39:37.520 Lisa Biritz: Physical, mental, spiritual illness, no matter what.
00:39:37.910 --> 00:39:38.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:43.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, so… How do we call back these parts of ourselves?
00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:46.040 Lisa Biritz: Right, so,
00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:54.250 Lisa Biritz: Obviously, you can go to somebody who's trained to do this for more, I would say, heavy issues, but with
00:39:54.530 --> 00:40:10.050 Lisa Biritz: Even the heavy issues, you can start working with yourself or other just everyday soul retrieval for yourself, it's really not that hard. That's the thing that I love about shamanic practices, is that they're so simple.
00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:29.679 Lisa Biritz: once you learn them. And the reason they're so simple is because they're so ancient. They've been… they're our oldest healing system on the planet. They go back 30, 40,000 years, and they've been passed on from generation to generation, orally, by trial and error, what works, what doesn't work.
00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:36.310 Lisa Biritz: And there's a very strong, use of symbolic imagery and, and,
00:40:36.850 --> 00:40:42.059 Lisa Biritz: Sensations, which is familiar to pretty much all humans.
00:40:42.180 --> 00:40:45.180 Lisa Biritz: So, you need to… you want to…
00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:58.519 Lisa Biritz: Well, I'll just tell you. Let's say, you want to do a soul retrieval right now for what might be the best for you, if you don't know specifically what, or let's say you're… whatever you feel
00:40:58.520 --> 00:41:07.980 Lisa Biritz: ill, or something in your job isn't working. So whatever issue you want, so you say your name, you state that issue, you close your eyes.
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:16.990 Lisa Biritz: Calm down, relax, breathe in and out, get into a meditative state, and you call a spirit guide if you don't have one yet.
00:41:17.140 --> 00:41:23.530 Lisa Biritz: And anything might show up, an angel, dwarf…
00:41:23.850 --> 00:41:29.599 Lisa Biritz: An animal, power animal, and then you… you might see it, you might sense it.
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:39.430 Lisa Biritz: If you're not so visual, and then you ask, are you my help or guide? And then you'll get a sense, yes, if it sticks around, and then you'll ask it to help you.
00:41:39.670 --> 00:41:45.390 Lisa Biritz: And then, a lot of times, it will go… it will take you…
00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:58.720 Lisa Biritz: with you on bringing back the soul part. So what is really fundamental to this work is that you do not have to do it yourself. You have the support and help of spirit guides.
00:41:58.810 --> 00:42:09.240 Lisa Biritz: From all different realms to come and support and help you, which makes it so much easier. We can't really solve
00:42:09.580 --> 00:42:23.559 Lisa Biritz: problems with our brain. It's, but usually when we relax, go into a meditative state, sometimes we get our best inspiration ideas, and the shamanic work specifically
00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:34.310 Lisa Biritz: works… with that, Relaxed state, trans state, in addition to working with spirit guides in different realms.
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:53.079 Lisa Biritz: And then, this spirit guide might take you to there, where your lost soul part is. Sometimes it'll go without you, it'll say, no, this is too much for you to deal with, for whatever reason, there might just be really terrible things there, you know? A lot of times, soul parts
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.740 Lisa Biritz: Either they're… often they're completely alone somewhere.
00:42:57.870 --> 00:43:11.430 Lisa Biritz: still on the planet where something might have happened, or in different dimensions. Really just, like, lost in space, literally. And sometimes, souls who have experienced similar things
00:43:11.470 --> 00:43:23.259 Lisa Biritz: like, in hospitals, or accidents, or abuse, they tend to somehow flock together, like, in grapes, it looks almost like grapes, you could say. And
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:35.989 Lisa Biritz: If your spirit guide knows pretty well if you're able to handle that or not, and when it's… something is just too much, too terrible, they'll… your spirit guide will do it for you, and then bring your soul part back.
00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:36.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:43:36.770 --> 00:43:51.960 Lisa Biritz: Or you go there and bring the soul part back with your spirit guide. And then you ask, are you my soul part? And the soul part is usually the age it left you, so you might see a little baby, or you might even see…
00:43:52.010 --> 00:43:58.490 Lisa Biritz: Yourself in a past lifetime, looking completely different, different gender.
00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:12.829 Lisa Biritz: different skin, maybe even from a different planet. It's all possible. And then you first identify, are you my soul part? So, because you want to make sure that it's, not somebody else's.
00:44:12.970 --> 00:44:15.410 Lisa Biritz: Doesn't happen often, but it can happen.
00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:19.760 Lisa Biritz: And then you ask, why did you leave me? And then you listen.
00:44:20.150 --> 00:44:38.490 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, and if it's a baby, obviously, when you were a baby, a lot of times you won't hear it verbally, but you'll start remembering, you'll start seeing images. It takes time to do this, and it's, it can… it goes very deep, can be…
00:44:38.770 --> 00:44:43.700 Lisa Biritz: painful remembering these things. That's part of the process.
00:44:43.700 --> 00:44:44.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:44:44.240 --> 00:44:47.740 Lisa Biritz: And then you ask your,
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:58.879 Lisa Biritz: soul part, what qualities left with you? Yeah, and for example, the soul part might say, well,
00:44:59.100 --> 00:45:13.199 Lisa Biritz: trust, the ability to trust in other people, or, joy, or child… child… child… child likeness, or how would you say, childless? I don't know.
00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:14.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, no.
00:45:14.550 --> 00:45:16.139 Lisa Biritz: Being a kiddo.
00:45:16.140 --> 00:45:19.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're the child's quality, yeah.
00:45:19.110 --> 00:45:25.409 Lisa Biritz: child quality, or, or, the sense of, artistic creation. It just…
00:45:26.510 --> 00:45:33.140 Lisa Biritz: Joy, passion, just about every aspect, of, of,
00:45:33.370 --> 00:45:51.579 Lisa Biritz: abundance, every aspect of our life may have left us. And then you ask, do you want to come back? And usually they'll say yes, right away, and sometimes they'll be a little… they'll say, no, I'm scared, you know, and then you have to explain to them, well.
00:45:52.070 --> 00:46:08.570 Lisa Biritz: I'm an adult now, and this is not gonna happen to you again. I'm able to look after myself, after you, and I promise I will take care of you. And then they will come back to you, and then you feel how they come back to you.
00:46:08.700 --> 00:46:17.919 Lisa Biritz: How you breathe them in, you'll often also experience how your spirit guide will bring them back to you, how it
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:33.729 Lisa Biritz: melts into you. A lot of times, this is also very emotional, and you ask what it needs so that it stays with you. So it might say, you know, whatever it wants you to do, like, go back to a certain place and plant a seed there.
00:46:33.730 --> 00:46:36.039 Lisa Biritz: That there was meaning
00:46:36.040 --> 00:46:45.749 Lisa Biritz: in what happened in your life, yeah, that nothing is in vain, even if it was painful, you know, forest nearby, or or,
00:46:46.420 --> 00:46:47.889 Lisa Biritz: Go to a…
00:46:48.420 --> 00:47:01.060 Lisa Biritz: hot bath or a sauna, every two weeks for a while, you know, if it's something connected with your body, and it's just a whole different variety of things might show up, yeah.
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:07.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How much time should someone, if they want to try this, how much time should they give themselves to do it?
00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:17.929 Lisa Biritz: About an hour and a half. It's, it takes a while, it really does. Hour, hour and a half, depending on how deep you are able to go.
00:47:17.930 --> 00:47:18.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So.
00:47:18.730 --> 00:47:21.849 Lisa Biritz: Sometimes you'll fall asleep in the process.
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:36.329 Lisa Biritz: And it doesn't mean that nothing's happening. On the contrary, the spirit guides are working in the background, and then when you wake up, you just continue where you left off, you know, like reading a book, you both go back to the same last line where you drifted off.
00:47:37.370 --> 00:47:47.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, it's interesting what you say about your spirit guides, because I've had other people come on my show who are channels and connect… talk with angels and stuff, and they say things like…
00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:56.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, the angels are all around there waiting for you to ask them to do something, but they can't do anything until you actually ask.
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:57.560 Lisa Biritz: Yep.
00:47:57.560 --> 00:48:01.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so that the fact that we don't have to do it all on our own
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That there is, sort of, help out there in the spiritual realms, we just gotta.
00:48:06.810 --> 00:48:07.400 Lisa Biritz: I remember that.
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:08.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ask for that help.
00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:20.000 Lisa Biritz: Exactly. It's the same, like, like, there's a ton of… there's a ton of, I don't know, manicurists in New York. Somebody has lousy nails, but if they don't go there…
00:48:20.290 --> 00:48:21.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, they're not gonna get better.
00:48:21.620 --> 00:48:22.920 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:33.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: One of the things I love about your book is that it's small, it's short, there are images in here, so it's relatively easy to digest and…
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:41.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: take, take it in. One of the things I noticed is you speak a lot about children in your book. Why is that?
00:48:43.150 --> 00:48:45.470 Lisa Biritz: Because…
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:57.059 Lisa Biritz: in the indigenous shamanic cultures and also our own past as indigenous cultures where we lost this knowledge, this wisdom is…
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:15.799 Lisa Biritz: started and done at a younger age already, so they… they teach their kids about it at an early age. They do it with their… like I was saying, if you do soul retrievals, I don't know, once a month regularly with your kids, or your kid comes home, had a fight at school.
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:23.229 Lisa Biritz: And then you, you know, take care of the wounds and give it a hug, and then do a soul retrieval for them.
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:38.580 Lisa Biritz: then you don't have to deal with that, in 20 years, when the kid is still having a trauma about a certain kid in school who bullied him, you know? You just deal with it then and there. So, and also because I have children.
00:49:38.660 --> 00:49:43.880 Lisa Biritz: And, I've worked with children, and children are our future.
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:45.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:49.480 Lisa Biritz: That's our foundation for everything to move on well.
00:49:49.610 --> 00:49:50.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:55.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What does the practitioner
00:49:55.270 --> 00:50:01.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Need to know that's not necessarily obvious about holding space for someone to do a soul retrieval.
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:09.440 Lisa Biritz: And another thing, sorry about another thing about children is they understand this really well, because it's a work of imagery.
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:10.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: True, yeah.
00:50:10.210 --> 00:50:13.659 Lisa Biritz: You know, very easy for them to do and understand.
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:17.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So it resonates with them on a very fundamental level.
00:50:17.930 --> 00:50:18.700 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:50:18.980 --> 00:50:20.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you.
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:27.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, so if someone's a practitioner, what do they need to know about this, that
00:50:27.310 --> 00:50:32.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe it isn't obvious on first glance.
00:50:33.080 --> 00:50:35.260 Lisa Biritz: a practitioner, though.
00:50:35.260 --> 00:50:38.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: woman who's Space for someone doing soul retrieval.
00:50:38.390 --> 00:50:44.069 Lisa Biritz: Well, they would have to learn it. They can't just give it. That's not possible.
00:50:44.070 --> 00:50:44.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I agree.
00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:49.570 Lisa Biritz: I would really… this book is not,
00:50:49.630 --> 00:51:07.870 Lisa Biritz: a training for people to work with it, therapeutically with other people. It's an introduction to the topic, and how to understand and work with yourself. I would recommend, if anybody is a practitioner, to do a good training.
00:51:07.870 --> 00:51:09.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Training, with poor shamanism.
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.420 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, and how do you give, soul retrievals?
00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:16.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good, good, good, good.
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:20.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You've been doing this work for…
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I would say a long time.
00:51:25.970 --> 00:51:38.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you still come across challenges that you find, like, you really have to step back and go deep into a practice yourself in order to be able to come back, or…
00:51:38.270 --> 00:51:48.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because this is such a regular part of your life, is it just something so natural that the challenges don't feel like challenges anymore, because you just integrate them right away?
00:51:49.930 --> 00:52:02.340 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, that's a very good question. So, working with people… It has become…
00:52:03.300 --> 00:52:17.810 Lisa Biritz: how… how… routine is not the right word, because it's so different every time, but it's like, it's… it's… I can see quicker, that's also the feedback I get from people I work with, that I can quicker and easier see what the…
00:52:19.020 --> 00:52:31.150 Lisa Biritz: issue is that needs to be dealt with, but my challenges, where I am learning, at this point, is with my children.
00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:32.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, your own children, yeah.
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:37.680 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, they are, they are 16-year-old, twins.
00:52:37.680 --> 00:52:38.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:52:38.370 --> 00:52:52.619 Lisa Biritz: and two girls, and we love each other, and we get along very well. And at the same time, there are a lot of challenges to watch them grow. From my perspective, awareness.
00:52:52.750 --> 00:52:56.880 Lisa Biritz: how I would do things, and to understand
00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:07.220 Lisa Biritz: that I have to give them their space to make their own experiences, and they're so different from me. They're similar in some ways, but also…
00:53:07.220 --> 00:53:18.219 Lisa Biritz: similar in many ways, but also so different, and that is my, at the moment, my… where I'm really evolving spiritually is to…
00:53:18.230 --> 00:53:29.049 Lisa Biritz: Give them that space when I'm worried, to let go of my worry, and to support them where I can, so that's where… that's… that's very challenging for me.
00:53:29.050 --> 00:53:29.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:53:29.640 --> 00:53:31.589 Lisa Biritz: That's where I really grow.
00:53:31.990 --> 00:53:37.879 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, because I've literally… but isn't that nice? You know, you, you think you know it all.
00:53:38.010 --> 00:53:47.270 Lisa Biritz: You've worked with thousands of people, done tons of groups, dealt with all kinds of situations and things, and you just feel really…
00:53:47.270 --> 00:54:02.390 Lisa Biritz: ripe and wise in a certain way, and then, boom, life just throws you a curveball, and you start all over again, and like, wow, I don't know anything. So this has been very humbling and good for me.
00:54:02.390 --> 00:54:05.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good, good, that's wonderful, that's wonderful.
00:54:05.170 --> 00:54:05.800 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:07.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I think,
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, I've heard so many teachers say the same thing, that, like, your children are your biggest teachers.
00:54:13.900 --> 00:54:27.469 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, and especially, I work in the area of spiritual and soul and personality development, and when you know so much, I think it's even more challenging when you have kids.
00:54:27.470 --> 00:54:38.930 Lisa Biritz: to not be overbearing and give them their space. And they come and ask questions anyhow, but sometimes it's just like, I know it's too much. I gotta shut up.
00:54:39.490 --> 00:54:40.520 Lisa Biritz: Yeah.
00:54:40.520 --> 00:54:45.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, since you started doing this work, do you find…
00:54:46.180 --> 00:55:01.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: people are more open to it now, or do you feel it's kind of the same? Like, when you talk about this work, do you find, like, just the average person is more curious, more open, or less, or the same than before?
00:55:02.640 --> 00:55:04.440 Lisa Biritz: Than, like, 30 years ago.
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:05.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:55:05.350 --> 00:55:11.190 Lisa Biritz: Yeah, I do think more people are open to it, more people have heard about it.
00:55:11.210 --> 00:55:29.649 Lisa Biritz: and ask questions, and that's just one of the wonderful things about the internet, that information has traveled and moved on, in good ways as well. And you are contributing to that with your show, and thank you so much, Sam.
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:31.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, of course, thank you.
00:55:32.050 --> 00:55:42.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, if people want to learn more about you, get in touch with you, seek your services, how do they find you? Where would they find you online? How'd they get in touch with you?
00:55:42.370 --> 00:55:46.490 Lisa Biritz: The best on my homepage, it's LisaRainbow.com.
00:55:46.490 --> 00:55:47.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:50.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what kinds of services do you offer to people?
00:55:51.210 --> 00:56:04.070 Lisa Biritz: I give in Europe, I give, trainings, for those who are in Europe. I give in-person trainings, I also do online trainings, so it's… you can find it all on my homepage.
00:56:04.550 --> 00:56:10.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Thank you, Lisa. So that's LisaRainbow.com.
00:56:10.900 --> 00:56:19.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And Lisa, please, if you ever happen to come through New York City again, let me know if you're going to be in Times Square, I'm more than happy to meet you there.
00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:21.190 Lisa Biritz: Great, thank you, Sim.
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:26.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely, and thank you for taking the time to come on my show today, I truly appreciate it.
00:56:26.700 --> 00:56:27.910 Lisa Biritz: Thank you.
00:56:28.270 --> 00:56:51.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc, and on all your favorite podcasting apps, like Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, wherever you love to listen to podcasts, you can find The Conscious Consultant Hour.
00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:58.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Thank you all for tuning in, take care, we will talk to you all next week.
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