EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this episode of Frank About Health, the conversation goes beyond individual projects to explore a larger question: how do we build trust, visibility, and momentum for health advocacy in a time of disruption, misinformation, and burnout? Frank and Anshar unpack the creation of Health E Media as a response to a fractured health media landscape where meaningful voices often struggle to be heard. Together, they explore how storytelling, credibility, and lived experience can be curated into a media ecosystem that amplifies real impact rather than noise.
Listeners will hear how books, documentaries, podcasts, live events, and patient-led movements can work together to drive awareness and advocacy—highlighting spring initiatives, cultural moments, and innovation that already resonate with real audiences. The episode offers insight into why media trust matters as much as innovation itself, and how thoughtful platforms can support emerging ideas, patient empowerment, and systemic change without rushing to sell solutions. This is a thoughtful, forward-looking conversation for anyone interested in health advocacy, media with purpose, and what it takes to move important conversations from the margins into the mainstream.
This episode is ideal for anyone interested in health advocacy, patient empowerment, media with purpose, and how thoughtful storytelling can shape the future of healthcare.
Anshar Seraphim
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In recognition of Heart Health Awareness Month, Frank R. Harrison uses this episode of Frank About Health to reaffirm his mission of delivering transparent, evidence-driven healthcare dialogue at a time when legislative shifts and funding disruptions are reshaping access to care. Drawing from his lived experience with epilepsy, his role as a professional caregiver, and his frontline advocacy during COVID-19, Harrison outlines the evolution of his new venture, Health eMedia, as a platform designed to counter misinformation, elevate caregiver voices, and foster innovation in AI, chronic care, and community-based health solutions. Joined by behavioral psychology and neuroscience educator Anshar Serafim, the show signals a call to healthcare advocates, providers, and innovators to collaborate across technology, policy, and global initiatives to protect patient-centered care and rebuild trust in the healthcare ecosystem.
Anshar Seraphim frames “Healthy Media” as a call to broaden how we think about health—moving beyond an ethnocentric, Western-only lens (especially in mental health) and integrating long-standing holistic traditions, behavioral science, and emerging research (including genetics and neurodevelopmental conditions) while staying clear about what is and isn’t medical advice. He connects personal and public health to upstream forces—like microplastics, energy demands of AI, and even everyday consumer choices (e.g., palm oil-driven deforestation and ultra-processed substitutes)—arguing that “small” decisions compound into population-level risk for cardiometabolic disease and other leading causes of death. He also spotlights systemic gaps in accessibility and equity (from ADA failures for neurodivergent patients to financial fragility despite insurance), urging healthcare advocates and providers to pair better tools and home-based supports with stronger media literacy and transparent, less-biased information ecosystems so patients can truly self-advocate.
Frank R. Harrison reframes Frank About Health as a participatory platform—inviting viewers to nominate “disruptors” via QR code and reinforcing that healthcare is a universal human need, not a perk tied to employment or privilege, which makes individual and community-level advocacy non-negotiable when systems fail. He and Anshar Seraphim connect today’s healthcare disruption to a broader civic and media breakdown: limited attention, algorithmic outrage, and a loss of critical thinking that narrows empathy, fractures dialogue, and turns complex public-good decisions into zero-sum ideological fights. The takeaway for advocates and providers is a call to rebuild trust through better information hygiene (verify, triangulate, question narratives), more humane cross-difference communication, and policies oriented toward measurable public benefit—so chronic illness and caregiving realities don’t get drowned out by cultural “noise.”
Frank R. Harrison closes the episode by spotlighting patient-powered advocacy through Matthew Zachary’s upcoming book We the Patients and a Lincoln Center benefit concert intended to help re-energize cancer research and cures, positioning Zachary as a long-time voice in healthcare media and organizing. Anshar Seraphim then shares practical, time-sensitive resources for the community—his free “Ask Onshar” custom GPT to help people (especially neurodivergent thinkers) decode confusing social behavior, plus upcoming workshops on using LLMs more responsibly (reducing confirmation bias, improving prompt rigor, and building trustworthy custom GPT workflows) and a speaking engagement at Yale on “thinking differently” and cognitive blind spots. The segment lands on “Healthy Media” as both a brand and a movement: prioritize your real health needs, verify information through credible sources and colleagues, understand cognitive bias (including how AI can amplify it), and use media platforms like Frank About Health to stay informed, connected, and action-oriented.
00:00:53.620 --> 00:01:10.380 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome to a new episode of Frank About Health. The date is February 5th, 2026. It is also February Heart Health Awareness Month. That being said, I'm wearing my red. I hope out there you listeners and viewers are doing the same, in your own way.
00:01:10.380 --> 00:01:20.570 Frank R. Harrison: But at the same time, I'm here to reflect on the legacy of Frank About Health. Why? Because Frank About Health, being transparent.
00:01:20.650 --> 00:01:22.350 Frank R. Harrison: About the truth.
00:01:22.450 --> 00:01:27.059 Frank R. Harrison: Of our healthcare needs is never more critical than it has been in the last…
00:01:27.130 --> 00:01:34.939 Frank R. Harrison: several months due to the one big, beautiful bill being signed into law in July of 2025. Now, you have seen
00:01:34.940 --> 00:01:56.310 Frank R. Harrison: me come on the show with Anshar Serafim, who is my guest today. He was here around sometime, I believe, in October, as we were discussing about his life with autism spectrum disorder and sensory deprivation disorder, and how he's been a disruptor, but he has manifested a very successful way of looking at the world.
00:01:56.310 --> 00:02:17.050 Frank R. Harrison: through technology, through cognitive behavioral thinking, I'm gonna let him really outline his whole story in the second segment of the show. But he is definitely an anomaly, but also a role model for any of the people in the neurodivergent community, and for anyone, like myself, a podcaster trying to advocate for truth.
00:02:17.050 --> 00:02:23.229 Frank R. Harrison: And real information that we all need, especially since… My… in my view.
00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:40.889 Frank R. Harrison: I don't feel our government is looking after our healthcare the way they used to, or the way that they need to. They looked after it much more so during the COVID-19 pandemic, and that was actually the launch, or the relaunch, I should say, of Frank About Health back in 2021.
00:02:40.990 --> 00:02:48.110 Frank R. Harrison: So, today's episode, I don't know if it really requires a disclaimer, because I'm gonna be giving information that if you disagree with.
00:02:48.420 --> 00:03:01.800 Frank R. Harrison: then change the channel, or watch something else. The point is, is if you are looking for information about your healthcare, mental, physical, neurological, nutrition, cancer care, diabetes, the list goes on.
00:03:01.890 --> 00:03:18.729 Frank R. Harrison: Listen for the next hour, because you're gonna get a lot of information, resources, and avenues to search through after the show is over. Alright? So, I guess that would be my disclaimer. That being said, let me just give you my personal view as to why I launched Frank About Health.
00:03:19.090 --> 00:03:21.480 Frank R. Harrison: I wanted to be frank about
00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:25.959 Frank R. Harrison: First, epilepsy. Something I've lived most of my life with.
00:03:26.190 --> 00:03:31.799 Frank R. Harrison: I've learned to live successfully with it, especially after the last 25 years.
00:03:32.310 --> 00:03:45.579 Frank R. Harrison: Second, I wanted to combat all of the misinformation that was going on during the COVID-19 pandemic. Here in New York State, our governor at the time, Andrew Cuomo, had completely shut down the city
00:03:45.580 --> 00:04:02.320 Frank R. Harrison: for about 5 months, and I had seen a community at large fighting tooth and nail to get everybody to do what they can to preserve their lives. Keeping 6-foot distant, wearing masks, taking the vaccines when they were available, doing the PCR test before flying on a plane.
00:04:02.380 --> 00:04:22.020 Frank R. Harrison: And again, the list went on. Then I was also dealing with circumstances in my own family's life. A father recovering from prostate cancer, a cousin with debilitating Alzheimer's disease that was in progressive stages, while she also underwent different eye surgeries for potential diabetic retinopathy.
00:04:22.019 --> 00:04:24.070 Frank R. Harrison: And then, also.
00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:35.770 Frank R. Harrison: I became a caregiver professionally under the State of New York guidelines during 2023, 4, and 5, and then when our certain president got elected, those rights were taken away from me.
00:04:35.770 --> 00:04:48.919 Frank R. Harrison: So I became not only an advocate, I became a caregiver, I became someone who knew that every time I was seeing misinformation about healthcare, I would have my enraged response, and I would turn it into an episode.
00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:55.580 Frank R. Harrison: And I was fortunate enough to meet the right people. Everyone knows Phyllis Quinlan, who was my co-host for about 40 episodes.
00:04:55.580 --> 00:05:13.379 Frank R. Harrison: And we were able to really bring out a lot of awareness about the nurses, about caregivers, about burnout. She was also there for me when Retha Gray had passed last year, and she was also there for me when I introduced everyone to Dr. Marshall Runji, and we talked about the disruption
00:05:13.380 --> 00:05:18.039 Frank R. Harrison: that was going on in our healthcare system. The disruption, both technologically.
00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:23.809 Frank R. Harrison: And in a good way, but politically, in a bad way, where funding got cut.
00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:36.630 Frank R. Harrison: as well as all of the possibilities for cures for cancer, cures for HIV-AIDS, cures for diabetes, were now a longer way away, because it really took upon
00:05:36.630 --> 00:05:55.269 Frank R. Harrison: us, the individuals that are living with chronic care issues, or with living with a lot of challenges as a caregiver, to go and build and create different fundraising campaigns, different solutions that we could do, and I was in the middle of one with Hilton Hotels. That being said.
00:05:55.790 --> 00:06:07.209 Frank R. Harrison: I created a documentary along with the engineering team of TalkRadio.nyc, and of course, a shout out there to, Jessica Sarivin, to Emily Shulman.
00:06:07.210 --> 00:06:26.689 Frank R. Harrison: and of course, to Sam Leibowitz, all giving me the resources of talkradio.nyc to be able to have a 1 hour and 20 minute documentary, now available on YouTube, so that we could create a whole advocacy platform for, at the time, Hilton Grand Vacations. Now.
00:06:26.850 --> 00:06:27.810 Frank R. Harrison: They're…
00:06:27.900 --> 00:06:39.449 Frank R. Harrison: they are where they are, and everybody has a change in viewpoints, sometimes driven by the political wind of the time. However, it actually fueled my fire to create
00:06:39.450 --> 00:06:52.149 Frank R. Harrison: an entire company to allow it to sit, along with my catalog of shows of Frank About Health, in what I call an IP company, intellectual Property Company. I created that in April of 2024.
00:06:52.440 --> 00:06:53.480 Frank R. Harrison: 5.
00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:56.639 Frank R. Harrison: And since then, I've been harvesting it.
00:06:56.640 --> 00:07:17.379 Frank R. Harrison: to also take on other intellectual property in healthcare, especially in the areas of AI, as well as working with other caregiving programs that are launching, and trying to also stick local, at least within the New York City or New York State area, for starters, so we can be the best example of what it's like to combat the continual disruption.
00:07:17.380 --> 00:07:22.800 Frank R. Harrison: In other words, we needed to focus on taking charge of our own health.
00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:33.219 Frank R. Harrison: Whether it meant financially, politically, socially, or even through this existing platform. So, I worked with my lawyers, and I came up with a play on the words healthy.
00:07:33.250 --> 00:07:50.349 Frank R. Harrison: NE Media, and I'll call it Health E Media, because all of the media that I present every week on talkradio.nyc is available on YouTube, it's available on LinkedIn, it's available on Facebook, it's available when streaming on Twitch.
00:07:50.400 --> 00:08:09.729 Frank R. Harrison: I stay away from those social media that have their own views that are more misrepresenting the truth, so that way I keep myself all localized, and I continue to work with advocates. And the reason, again, why Anshar will definitely take over the next segment of the show is because he speaks the truth, and then some.
00:08:09.850 --> 00:08:21.029 Frank R. Harrison: E to the X power is what I give him. You know, that being said, you may all remember that between October and December of 2025, I had a lot of special guests on the show.
00:08:21.570 --> 00:08:26.629 Frank R. Harrison: Tom Ingenyo. I had Todd Otten, I had Matthew Zachary.
00:08:26.630 --> 00:08:45.709 Frank R. Harrison: I also had Anshar, and I also had Dale Atkins, all of which are disruptors, all of which have gone on to their own advocacy platforms for 2026. As I mentioned, Dale Atkins was on the Today Show, and simultaneously, Matthew Zachary will be launching a concert at Lincoln Center in April.
00:08:45.710 --> 00:08:53.440 Frank R. Harrison: to raise funding for cancer, because I think when he was on the show, I think it was called Cancer Sucks.
00:08:53.440 --> 00:09:11.329 Frank R. Harrison: Or something like that, but the book in itself is really representative of what he's doing to really help our government get in line with refunding cancer care. A survivor of brain cancer, he had 6 months to live, and he's been here 20 years after that.
00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.390 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, so, when you fight for your healthcare, with the right information.
00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:33.110 Frank R. Harrison: Health eMedia not only became a production arm for my documentary and a licensing arm for all of my IP, including Frank About Health, but it has become a movement. And I am proud to say, in all honesty, thanks to Anshar Serafim, that movement has been elevating.
00:09:33.270 --> 00:09:43.580 Frank R. Harrison: And if it wasn't for him, and with his brilliance and his knowledge, and especially in AI, and in other areas of cognitive thinking and cognitive studies,
00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:53.169 Frank R. Harrison: I don't know where I would be, to be honest with you, because I've been going through caregiver burnout. So, I will say it takes a village, it takes community.
00:09:53.250 --> 00:10:07.370 Frank R. Harrison: I give a shout-out again, thanks to Sam Leibowitz, because he introduced me to this community first in 2016, and then during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2021, and therefore, I'm continuing to fight with this platform
00:10:07.370 --> 00:10:18.089 Frank R. Harrison: to move forward into even better platforms that will expand what TalkRadio.nyc has offered, but at the same time will benefit everyone that has participated in this ecosystem.
00:10:18.090 --> 00:10:28.630 Frank R. Harrison: So I'm dedicating this episode pretty much to give a review of how I have created Healthy Media as an LLC, limited liability company, to help derive revenue.
00:10:28.630 --> 00:10:38.320 Frank R. Harrison: And resources, and access to healthcare that we are not getting what we used to get, but we are not getting enough of at this point in time.
00:10:38.850 --> 00:10:55.020 Frank R. Harrison: That is an 11-minute monologue, from what I see. I don't think I've spoken that long before when introducing an episode of the show, but I just had to get this all out, partially because I was so sick last week that this episode had to be canceled so that I could replay
00:10:55.020 --> 00:11:02.250 Frank R. Harrison: The show that I did with Jeff Pearson and with Tom Ingenyo, all on invisible illness, and yet, that in itself
00:11:02.250 --> 00:11:06.409 Frank R. Harrison: Is an example of disruption and doing something about it.
00:11:06.500 --> 00:11:15.069 Frank R. Harrison: neurodivergent people building their own product or service that helps others like them, that is the community that I have been fighting for all of this time.
00:11:15.260 --> 00:11:25.519 Frank R. Harrison: And so, for that reason alone, I think, Anshar, I'll let you talk before our first commercial break. I don't want to be doing a monologue when you're sitting right there, but…
00:11:25.820 --> 00:11:26.820 Frank R. Harrison: Tell me…
00:11:26.980 --> 00:11:33.030 Frank R. Harrison: everything I've told you, how has it impacted you, even in the few dealings that we've had together over the past several months?
00:11:33.930 --> 00:11:51.249 Anshar Seraphim: Well, you said no disclaimers for you, but I'll give my standard disclaimers. Sure. I'm Anshar Serafim. I teach Applied Behavioral Psychology and Applied Cognitive Neuroscience for business, sales, personal development, marketing, identifying targeted market demographics.
00:11:51.250 --> 00:11:55.699 Anshar Seraphim: Coming up with design implementation, solving impossible problems. I'm a writer.
00:11:55.700 --> 00:11:58.220 Anshar Seraphim: But I, I… I do…
00:11:58.820 --> 00:12:12.549 Anshar Seraphim: have to point out as a behaviorist that I'm not a clinician. I don't treat anyone. I'm not a licensed mental health professional. Nothing that I say should be misconstrued for any type of medical advice. We're gonna have any change of…
00:12:12.550 --> 00:12:19.779 Anshar Seraphim: diet, exercise, or any other important aspects of your life, make sure you consult a physician. You did mention that
00:12:19.780 --> 00:12:27.760 Anshar Seraphim: I'm a role model, and while I'm very flattered by that, I believe fervently that…
00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:42.489 Anshar Seraphim: rather than idealize people, we should look at behaviors that we find inspiring, and if someone finds a particular behavior that I do inspiring in a way that informs the way that they live their lives, I'm always flattered by that. There's a reason that I say never meet your heroes.
00:12:42.520 --> 00:12:51.280 Anshar Seraphim: And I think that's because, you know, all people are inherently flawed and have their own issues and challenges, and I'm no different a human being than anyone else.
00:12:51.330 --> 00:12:53.090 Anshar Seraphim: I…
00:12:53.510 --> 00:13:05.990 Anshar Seraphim: I've been flattered, very, with, with all of the great opportunity that, you know, once you sought my help in trying to make some great connections, to be able to connect people with this campaign and, kind of…
00:13:05.990 --> 00:13:14.300 Anshar Seraphim: really dig into what are the… some of the things that are wrong that need to be addressed, and what the best way is to do that. There's a lot of very inspiring changes.
00:13:14.330 --> 00:13:32.470 Anshar Seraphim: That are coming around, not necessarily in the Western world. You know, we do have a brand new social media platform upscrolled that's around the corner. We've already had, I think when I last looked at the news article in the first few days, just, 2.5 million subscribers already, just because people are very hungry for an unbiased.
00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:51.750 Anshar Seraphim: media source, but also to avoid things like shadow banning and all that sort of thing. So, that was all of the, you know, contention over platforms like TikTok, that's exciting. I made some mutual connections, I don't know if it'll pan out or not, but, my hope is that by the end of the week, when Isam, the,
00:13:51.830 --> 00:14:05.509 Anshar Seraphim: the CEO of that particular company comes back in country, I have a mutual connection that might be able to introduce us, so I might get a face-to-face with them, that's exciting. And then, if anyone's been watching the development with, with the new Qatar
00:14:05.550 --> 00:14:25.380 Anshar Seraphim: web summit that they did for startups, they initially started with, I think, $1 billion with their initial investment, and that's been upped by another two, so they're $3 billion about to be injected in everything from human resources to LLM to SAAS to machine learning to,
00:14:25.590 --> 00:14:38.959 Anshar Seraphim: ecological concerns and sustainability. There's a huge opportunity in not just the market, but also in all of the interpersonal interactions that we're going to need as a global community to be able to fight
00:14:39.030 --> 00:14:44.630 Anshar Seraphim: problems that affect everyone and give everything more visibility. I think there's a great opportunity there.
00:14:44.680 --> 00:14:53.489 Anshar Seraphim: I had the pleasure of just recently, you know, speaking with someone who was trying to advocate for some of the sustainability goals that the UN has set.
00:14:53.490 --> 00:15:07.039 Anshar Seraphim: what we can do to increase some global parity and visibility with one another. So there's a lot of exciting developments, and maybe we'll get into talking about some of that or some of the other things that I'm doing, but all in all, you know, there's a lot of stuff in today's stage to talk about.
00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:20.470 Frank R. Harrison: So, you are going to get, in the next segment, because we're about to take our first commercial break, true, healthy media, healthy with a Y, from Anshar Serafim in Segment 2, so please stay tuned, we'll be back in a few.
00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:51.920 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. Now we're gonna get to the real stuff of what I view Healthy Media as a movement, and that is the structure and the right relationships, and the right information that helps you monitor and advocate for your own healthcare. That being said.
00:16:51.940 --> 00:17:01.309 Frank R. Harrison: Go ahead onshore, talk about all of the opportunities that you are involved in over the next few months that people can learn from in terms of
00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:14.190 Frank R. Harrison: how they can get information about healthcare that might actually come from non-Western cultures, among other kinds of resources that most people are being distracted from even seeing right now, based on traditional media.
00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:20.110 Anshar Seraphim: Well, I mean, Dr. Tom obviously would be one of the best assets for that. I think one of the interesting things is that
00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:33.729 Anshar Seraphim: we do have a very ethnocentric view of medicine, especially with mental health. You know, the APA has been a pretty large mainstay as far as psychology is concerned, and, you know, there's a reason for that, but…
00:17:33.730 --> 00:17:50.130 Anshar Seraphim: There are all kinds of different systems of support, medical support, wellness, that have been around for not just hundreds, but thousands of years, including dialectics on things like, you know, an existential crisis, finding
00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:59.289 Anshar Seraphim: Let me go back to Aristotle, finding Eudaimonia and Nicomachean ethics, you know, what, what constitutes finding purpose? I think there's…
00:17:59.390 --> 00:18:13.900 Anshar Seraphim: There's so many different aspects to holistic health, and whether that's being able to meet challenges, like a diagnosis, or, or get a new medical condition, or supporting research.
00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:31.329 Anshar Seraphim: You know, for instance, we have a lot of hustle and move right now around, tetrahydrobiopterin, BH4, and, and, like, DRD4 for, genetic dopamine availability and some of the confounding variables for developmental disorders like autism and ADHD out there, a lot of research that needs to be done.
00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:33.880 Frank R. Harrison: I've actually posted some…
00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:35.010 Anshar Seraphim: invitation.
00:18:35.050 --> 00:18:42.919 Anshar Seraphim: an open invitation for research on my LinkedIn with a full, like, you know, an example experimental protocol, to be able to address things like that.
00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:55.559 Anshar Seraphim: We also have our global health to worry about, things like ecological microplastics, what we're going to be doing about problems like, like heat dissipation, waste, and power when it comes to, you know, emergent technologies like AI.
00:18:55.560 --> 00:19:06.600 Anshar Seraphim: Really, we have a lot to talk about, and part of it, I think, is that we also need to talk about behavior, you know, which is where I come in.
00:19:06.600 --> 00:19:16.789 Anshar Seraphim: you know, there are some really simple things that we can do differently on a daily basis that can greatly affect our health, and while I can't speak from an angle of medical expertise, I would call attention to
00:19:16.890 --> 00:19:30.769 Anshar Seraphim: the fact that there's a lot of cognitive dissonance in, in today's world. I think one of the examples I really like to use is that most people you could ask, if you, you know, had a time machine and go back 50 years in the past, if there was anything you would change.
00:19:30.890 --> 00:19:39.129 Anshar Seraphim: And most people will answer that they would be afraid to change something, because that whole butterfly, you know, step on a butterfly, create a hurricane effect.
00:19:40.430 --> 00:19:50.769 Anshar Seraphim: But that means that you have a belief that small things matter, and yet the same people who believe that will believe that the little things that they do each day don't matter. That's an example of cognitive dissonance.
00:19:50.790 --> 00:20:05.949 Anshar Seraphim: Education's also incredibly important inside of that. You know, I've been privileged to work as a primary copywriter for the nonlinear think tank at the Octopus Movement. We're a collective of nonlinear and neurodivergent minds trying to
00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:10.230 Anshar Seraphim: To apply our skills toward big global challenges, and…
00:20:10.370 --> 00:20:19.220 Anshar Seraphim: just to call attention to a couple of basic things. One is that the Sumatran rainforest. You know, I don't think most people think about it as consumers.
00:20:19.290 --> 00:20:36.180 Anshar Seraphim: But even if it was a perfectly healthy product, the U.S. reliance on palm oil, hydrogenated oil, that causes that immense demand for using it for everything from a shortening agent to using it in products like makeup.
00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:45.810 Anshar Seraphim: It's basically caused most of the local laws to change, because in order to keep up with that demand, they have to clear-cut and burn rainforests, often with
00:20:45.810 --> 00:20:56.500 Anshar Seraphim: orangutans and Sumatran elephants and tigers still living inside of the forest that they're burning down. It's really horrible. And then, on top of that, and I think this is where health comes in.
00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:01.920 Anshar Seraphim: That something as simple as that, as palm oils, when we…
00:21:02.150 --> 00:21:11.110 Anshar Seraphim: put those into our food to try to increase shelf life, and we try to replace ingredients like butter, you know, those sort of things in cooking. We actually…
00:21:11.110 --> 00:21:24.099 Anshar Seraphim: do not have the same breakdown in our bodies to be able to rid ourselves of that as we would with another substance, as a period of time where it goes down. Again, not speaking as a medical expert here.
00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:41.340 Anshar Seraphim: And that can lead to things like arteriosclerosis, you know, congestive heart failure, heart disease, stroke, cancer. And I think when you look at the actuarial tables for the Western world, what are the three leading causes of death? You have heart disease.
00:21:41.340 --> 00:21:42.850 Frank R. Harrison: Throat, and cancer.
00:21:43.370 --> 00:21:56.270 Anshar Seraphim: Another thing that happens is where we choose to apply our efforts. You know, often we'll do things like, you know, protest in front of a new, you know, industrial plant or something like that. We see those smokestacks in our backyard, and…
00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:10.149 Anshar Seraphim: It's funny to me because the U.S. demand for palm oil and the deforestation of the rainforest, the Sumatra rainforest, actually has a larger impact on our carbon footprint than the entire U.S. industrial complex.
00:22:10.360 --> 00:22:22.150 Anshar Seraphim: And that's just a food choice. That's something that every single one of us could be thinking about when we're picking out products. Most of us don't realize when we're reaching for a container of non-dairy creamer that it's…
00:22:22.310 --> 00:22:27.620 Anshar Seraphim: the whole thing is basically made, out of… out of those kinds of products, so…
00:22:27.770 --> 00:22:43.380 Anshar Seraphim: Whether or not we're aware of that, whether that's from an ecological standpoint or a health standpoint, and again, I would encourage people to take a look at the, you know, some people who have the right authority to speak on medical topics when it comes to things like nutrition, what we're putting in our food, how it impacts us.
00:22:43.820 --> 00:22:44.300 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:22:44.300 --> 00:22:58.710 Anshar Seraphim: But those small choices can make a big difference. And then, we have that big divide when we start getting into how the Western world chooses to handle things like healthcare. You know, I think it's easy for us to forget that as little as 100, 150 years ago.
00:22:58.770 --> 00:23:05.890 Anshar Seraphim: We were throwing people into sanitariums for, you know, made-up ideas, like, you know, someone being hysterical.
00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:11.629 Frank R. Harrison: There's a lot of social commentary there, whether you get into, you know, Michel Foucault and talk about…
00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:23.719 Anshar Seraphim: madness and civilization, or we start having a bigger kind of dialectic on, important topics like mental health. And then, of course, being neurodivergent has affected me in my life, seeing the way that
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:41.340 Anshar Seraphim: neurodivergent people have blocked access to employment, but also to the right support. You know, just speaking from my own perspective, I'm literally getting treated at a doctor's office, you know, for my autism and all of that, and I sent them an ADA request because of my sensory processing disorder, letting them know that
00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:49.309 Anshar Seraphim: You know, I'm not able to do phone calls, because, I mean, I wasn't even able to get my driver's license until I was 37 because of my sensory issues, and…
00:23:49.480 --> 00:24:08.590 Anshar Seraphim: their response to me sending that to them was to call me, to talk to me about it. So, obviously, we have some gaps that we've got to think about, and there's also some really important personal care, like some of the things that you touched on. You know, what happens when an elderly person needs support in their home?
00:24:08.780 --> 00:24:18.779 Anshar Seraphim: You know, and maybe they don't want to go live in an extended care facility. And being able to come up with solutions like that, you know, I think one of the inspiring things about what happened…
00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:26.150 Anshar Seraphim: after World War II, was… watching how… the UK.
00:24:26.780 --> 00:24:43.280 Anshar Seraphim: responded to that challenge and decided to come up with the NHS. And of course, you can look at, you know, socialized medicine any which way that you want. Every single system is going to have its challenges, you know, there's gonna be wait lists, or delays or bureaucracy, but trying to come up with an effective way so that
00:24:43.540 --> 00:24:50.790 Anshar Seraphim: you know, because I know a person in the Western world right now, even with insurance, something as simple that could happen to anybody, like, like
00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:52.480 Anshar Seraphim: appendicitis.
00:24:52.630 --> 00:24:54.620 Anshar Seraphim: Could bankrupt you at the wrong.
00:24:54.620 --> 00:24:55.170 Frank R. Harrison: Among it?
00:24:55.170 --> 00:25:12.329 Anshar Seraphim: And with a disappearing middle class, and the economic issues, and lots of other struggles going on, you know, that ends up becoming part of the commentary of what happens with today's healthcare. And I think the idea that we're starting to funnel money into different places, start to have different options, that we're coming up with
00:25:12.330 --> 00:25:17.340 Anshar Seraphim: Workarounds, that's one, important, but two, that we also have to work on the culture
00:25:17.450 --> 00:25:28.070 Anshar Seraphim: that's creating some of those issues. I see things like teachers posting on social media saying that today's students have a lot of difficulty even writing a five-sentence essay, and
00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:47.360 Anshar Seraphim: we're, right now, we're at 6th to 8th grade reading level for 54% of the U.S. population, or something like that, and we're going to have to have an informed electorate to make some important decisions about, what we're going to be doing as we start continuing to focus on some of these challenges, and I think it's going to take a lot of existential authenticity from us
00:25:47.460 --> 00:26:07.410 Anshar Seraphim: To be able to attack those things. So there's a lot to talk about there, and I think that we all have something to contribute, whether that's just making different choices, if we're speaking from a place of privilege and we're not currently experiencing any health issues, you know, what do we do to help invest and support into a system that is going to take care of that whole notion of borrowing the world from our next generation?
00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:18.719 Anshar Seraphim: But also, for the people who are actively struggling, what kind of resources and tools and platforms are we giving people equal access? Because information is one thing, but
00:26:18.790 --> 00:26:22.230 Anshar Seraphim: The narrative that we choose to attach to information
00:26:22.470 --> 00:26:33.030 Anshar Seraphim: You know, you were mentioned earlier about truth. You know, everything in the universe is either pattern, signal, or noise. It's the story you want to tell alongside it. And you can make data
00:26:33.170 --> 00:26:37.900 Anshar Seraphim: tell a lot of different stories, so it's important to try to find
00:26:37.990 --> 00:26:53.519 Anshar Seraphim: a source of information that isn't trying to collapse that into a particular point of view, or if they have an agenda for it to be clear. Because with less and less critical thinking going on, the quality of that fourth estate
00:26:53.580 --> 00:27:02.040 Anshar Seraphim: journalism to be able to inform what's going on with decision makers. I think this is a kind of a sad time.
00:27:02.140 --> 00:27:20.919 Anshar Seraphim: for journalism to shrink, for the Washington Post to be collapsing, for, you know, some of these comedian sources that we've been using to supplement our news with a little bit of lack of bias, or maybe even some outright bias so we can think a little more clearly with it, and seeing things like what's happened to Kimmel and Colbert, and…
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:37.670 Anshar Seraphim: I think there's a lot to learn, and it might really be a fantastic opportunity now for a new platform like Upscrolled, or something else even, to come out and start trying to give us a different way to have journalistic narratives inform the public that are
00:27:37.850 --> 00:27:53.590 Anshar Seraphim: far less biased, or at least have implicit bias. I think implicit bias is important, because if we're gonna craft a narrative, or have our own position, state it. Then you at least know why the information's being presented the way that it is. This entire…
00:27:53.730 --> 00:28:01.360 Anshar Seraphim: Shell game of trying to pretend that the way that we're telling stories about information isn't biased, and that we're just trying to present the truth.
00:28:01.570 --> 00:28:18.609 Anshar Seraphim: That starts to… that starts to become a really bad, confounding variable, especially as we lack our investment moving forward into a newer generation that is maybe struggling with some of those critical thinking skills, because they have been hit with challenges, like, so much information. It was just everywhere.
00:28:18.610 --> 00:28:19.260 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:28:19.260 --> 00:28:35.169 Anshar Seraphim: And that doesn't mean it's knowledge. You know, information has to get changed into knowledge and processed through wisdom, and we have to give people the tools to do that. So we can go any which direction you want to on that, and there's a lot to talk about. I don't know if it's going to fit inside of the span of a single episode, but I'm definitely honored to be here.
00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:50.840 Frank R. Harrison: Well, you have pretty much wrapped around a lot of what I said in the first segment, which is that it was my own lived experience that created Frank About Health, and by virtue of all the challenges that we are faced with, summarized by you eloquently just now in this segment.
00:28:50.840 --> 00:29:06.579 Frank R. Harrison: This has become a movement that we all have to undertake in our own way, and we just have to find what that niche is based on our own existing resources, and the ability to communicate, however that means, by not taking misinformation, by getting everything through
00:29:06.590 --> 00:29:26.240 Frank R. Harrison: the right colleagues, whether they're medical professionals, or whether they're medical schools, or medical students, or whether they are the books written by some of the guests that I've had on this show, and just be able to go ahead and manifest their own doctrine that they can therefore share with the world, and then we create the community that is
00:29:26.340 --> 00:29:43.139 Frank R. Harrison: fighting for the truth in healthcare. Alright, you can tell that we're about to take our second break, because it's getting darker this very minute in this room. So, let's be back in a few, and we will continue on from here, right here on talkradio.nyc, and on our social medias.
00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.779 Frank R. Harrison: YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitch. We'll be back.
00:30:46.540 --> 00:30:58.359 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. That QR code was right there for all of you, so if you're watching this after it aired live past 6pm, I'm glad that I kept it there as long as possible so that you can all
00:30:58.360 --> 00:31:10.240 Frank R. Harrison: scan the QR code and give us ideas of other individuals that are disruptors in their own, lane in healthcare, whatever that might be, mental, physical ailments.
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:26.520 Frank R. Harrison: trauma survivors, PTSD, the list goes on, because Frank About Health will be able to tell that story as a role model, like I said earlier, but as a way of being able to advocate for newer solutions that maybe people are just not
00:31:26.520 --> 00:31:32.530 Frank R. Harrison: consciously aware of it. One… one thing I want to just wrap up before we go into our third segment is that
00:31:32.790 --> 00:31:35.879 Frank R. Harrison: Most people have probably been raised under the belief
00:31:35.970 --> 00:31:50.389 Frank R. Harrison: that healthcare was something that you only had when you were employed, or that you were given based on your privilege in life, whatever that might be. But healthcare is a human need, regardless. Without your health, you can't do anything.
00:31:50.450 --> 00:32:00.209 Frank R. Harrison: So that being said, when you are seeing that the system is not working, even for those that are in a period of privilege, or whatever the circumstances might be.
00:32:00.620 --> 00:32:14.510 Frank R. Harrison: It's up to you, the individual, to come up with a solution, and hopefully, if it works out, it can manifest to the community that you're targeting. That is what I've been fighting for most of the last 15 years.
00:32:14.510 --> 00:32:22.130 Frank R. Harrison: And I've been continuing to work with, various colleagues of mine from the academic institutions I've graduated from.
00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:28.550 Frank R. Harrison: To be able to rebuild that movement, but it's… It's part and parcel…
00:32:28.950 --> 00:32:36.470 Frank R. Harrison: of this particular podcast. The podcast itself is the voice, is the platform, is the amplifier.
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:46.099 Frank R. Harrison: And people like Anshar know how to take that amplifier and make it exponential, maybe even on a global scale. So that being said.
00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:51.940 Frank R. Harrison: That's the kind of information, when you're looking at any health media sources.
00:32:51.950 --> 00:33:11.140 Frank R. Harrison: look for the truth in the way the stories are presented. If something in your gut doesn't seem right, or doesn't feel right, more than likely it is misinformation, and therefore you double and triple and quadruple check whatever you're reading about, if it's affecting you personally or within your family, or if you are a caregiver, for example.
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:27.800 Frank R. Harrison: you want to be able to get the right information. I also, want all of you out there to consider that while I've had various guests on the show that are disruptors, their books are still selling out there, and they are also coming up
00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:36.689 Frank R. Harrison: with other chapters, there was Mr. Ben Lytle, who was on the show twice, in 1980… oh, 1980, where am I? In 2020!
00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:47.990 Frank R. Harrison: 2 and 2024, and he's coming out with his third book of The Potentialist, which has a lot to do with the preview of AI, which is now proliferating around the country.
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:53.780 Frank R. Harrison: hell, around the world. And, you know, I think his second book was about the wisdom that you've
00:33:53.930 --> 00:34:11.689 Frank R. Harrison: earned in investing in the future, and it's gonna be coming out at the end of 2026, and it's something that I definitely will feature here on Frank About Health. But, always look to forward thinkers, especially when dealing with healthcare.
00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:19.389 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, so, Anshar, overall, it's been interesting to hear about all of these social media
00:34:19.530 --> 00:34:33.150 Frank R. Harrison: things that are going on in the non-Western world. Can… I want to have a kind of social discussion with you now about, do you think that part of the disruptions have occurred
00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:46.000 Frank R. Harrison: Because, people's perception of America on the global stage has been clouded, and people are no longer really even listening because of all the noise that continues to come out each day on various…
00:34:46.020 --> 00:34:47.120 Frank R. Harrison: issues.
00:34:47.270 --> 00:35:02.879 Frank R. Harrison: that really don't have to do with any one of us. They have to do more with what apparently seems to be the agenda of the executive branch. So, can you give me your own view? I'm looking for your total viewpoint about why we are now looked upon less favorably.
00:35:03.750 --> 00:35:10.810 Anshar Seraphim: So there's… there was this old fear, you know, put out by George Orwell, that we would have
00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:14.279 Anshar Seraphim: a society where Big Brother was looking over our shoulder.
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.470 Anshar Seraphim: And, it would… there would be an invasion of personal liberties.
00:35:18.570 --> 00:35:25.349 Anshar Seraphim: You know, for a long time, that was more of a… more of a cautionary tale.
00:35:25.670 --> 00:35:30.679 Anshar Seraphim: And I think that one of the defining characteristics as society has evolved since then
00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:39.180 Anshar Seraphim: And I think it more aligns now with, with all this Huxley's Brave New World, and that we would start caring so much about
00:35:39.740 --> 00:35:45.640 Anshar Seraphim: certain things that we would stop caring about other things. And one of the dynamics that happens in the brain
00:35:45.710 --> 00:35:49.429 Anshar Seraphim: As we do have a limited amount of social valence.
00:35:49.470 --> 00:35:55.979 Anshar Seraphim: And there's a reason for that. You know, if you're in a group of other organisms and you guys split up.
00:35:55.980 --> 00:36:11.189 Anshar Seraphim: and you got two packs instead of just one, you know, whatever pack you're in is going to have to care about its own survival a lot more than the next. You know, we have what's called a Dunbar number, you know, how many, how many people are we able to maintain actual relationships with and actually care about?
00:36:11.200 --> 00:36:30.949 Anshar Seraphim: And there's also a kind of object permanence that happens in the brain with regard to social relationships. And you'll see it manifested in people's behavior a lot. You know, you'll see celebrities, they'll go to a third world country, you know, a third world country, different country, you know, see people going through different challenges, they move into a different community, and…
00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:47.399 Anshar Seraphim: you know, they'll all come back, and they'll be adopting children, and trying to, you know, become UN peace and humanitarian ambassadors, and it's… it's a very, very simple dynamic, and that's that people get to reclaim their humanity when they have visibility. And…
00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:57.869 Anshar Seraphim: what we care about that happens in our local social group is what's naturally important to us. I don't think a lot of people think about it, but, you know, when 9-11 happened.
00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:10.970 Anshar Seraphim: You know, we had less than 5 figures of people that were, you know, directly affected immediately, and then it was on every single news and media channel and part of every political discussion and decision after that for the next year.
00:37:11.240 --> 00:37:19.499 Anshar Seraphim: But during that same period of time, you know, well over six figures of people were dying from issues like Boko Haram in a different country.
00:37:19.660 --> 00:37:28.929 Anshar Seraphim: because we were so focused about one thing, it causes us to be blind to another, and I… I think that part of becoming a global community
00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:37.440 Anshar Seraphim: Is being able to grant visibility in humanity, not just to other countries for parity, But to understand that.
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.640 Anshar Seraphim: That we have the luxury
00:37:39.770 --> 00:37:46.170 Anshar Seraphim: of focusing on ourselves with economic pressures, but that the decisions that we make in the West
00:37:46.990 --> 00:37:53.670 Anshar Seraphim: profoundly impact the world. Everything from… Environmental changes to…
00:37:54.110 --> 00:38:05.850 Anshar Seraphim: which subjects have focused research, you know, how global policies go out, because there's so much pressure via the trade, economics, and other concerns, and I think that
00:38:06.540 --> 00:38:13.229 Anshar Seraphim: To some extent, you know, other players in the world are watching us, kind of like watching a domestic
00:38:13.410 --> 00:38:16.710 Anshar Seraphim: Abuse incident happened across the restaurant.
00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:31.530 Anshar Seraphim: you know, there's a… on one, there's a desire not to get involved, but also there's kind of a caution as that, you know, is that going to break out into this part of the restaurant? But it's affecting the environment for everyone. And I think that if we're going to move into
00:38:31.810 --> 00:38:35.810 Anshar Seraphim: A future where we have a global community, where we start…
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.790 Anshar Seraphim: Caring about the way that we solve problems with
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:55.500 Anshar Seraphim: our other global partners. You know, that has to start culturally, all the way down at the very bottom in education. We have to teach our kids to be able to confer with a different group in a different country to solve a problem together, to learn how to iron out their differences or leverage their differences.
00:38:55.500 --> 00:39:03.519 Anshar Seraphim: to be able to solve problems together. We also have to be able to invite dialogue. You know, one of the…
00:39:03.680 --> 00:39:13.600 Anshar Seraphim: the things that'll really strike you if you just, you know, pick any, you know, talk radio podcast from, I don't know, maybe like, say talk radio back in 50s or 60s.
00:39:13.780 --> 00:39:25.310 Anshar Seraphim: You'll listen to people from different walks of life, you know, a vacuum repair salesman, and a person who works in the military, and a housewife, and they will all sit down and have a discussion about a topic.
00:39:25.490 --> 00:39:40.240 Anshar Seraphim: And often disagreeing about things, but they'll pick and choose the things they agree and disagree. You know, I like what you said here, I don't really agree on this point, but I really respect that you said this. And the ability to share a space with people that you
00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:42.210 Anshar Seraphim: Do not agree with.
00:39:42.540 --> 00:39:55.989 Anshar Seraphim: You know, Aristotle said that one of the signs of a learned mind is the ability to hold two contradictory things in your mind at once, to be able to reason with them. And if you want people to listen to what you have to say.
00:39:56.090 --> 00:40:14.340 Anshar Seraphim: you have to be able to follow their steps to see why they disagree with you. Not because you agree with their conclusions, but because you could demonstrate that you have a real understanding of where their conclusion comes from, and that you can respect the fact that, you know, because one thing that we all have in common as human beings
00:40:14.390 --> 00:40:18.929 Anshar Seraphim: Is that we're all alive. We've all survived our lives so far.
00:40:19.150 --> 00:40:22.559 Anshar Seraphim: And that's… that's a beautiful place to start. And…
00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:28.919 Anshar Seraphim: It's ironic to me that with such a profound thing in common with all other human beings, that
00:40:29.170 --> 00:40:33.209 Anshar Seraphim: Because of things like social media, the ability to just hit a red button.
00:40:33.540 --> 00:40:37.309 Anshar Seraphim: And to not have to listen to someone else's opinion anymore.
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.670 Anshar Seraphim: Rather than having to learn
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:49.069 Anshar Seraphim: and find harmony with that, it stops us from doing a few basic things. Because yes, you know, toxic ideas can go back and forth, hate can go back and forth.
00:40:49.140 --> 00:41:08.759 Anshar Seraphim: But… and I was talking about this on a podcast earlier with Dr. Perry Knopert over at the Octopus Movement, just as a minor mention, but if you find an issue like the death penalty, you know, where people get very divisive, you know, you could sit and argue for an hour and a half and get nowhere on whether or not someone can do something bad enough
00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:11.089 Anshar Seraphim: Where they deserve to die.
00:41:11.350 --> 00:41:14.649 Anshar Seraphim: But, if you're in a legal system that makes mistakes.
00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:19.460 Anshar Seraphim: Then, we might have to talk about whether or not it's wrong to kill an innocent person.
00:41:19.610 --> 00:41:23.410 Anshar Seraphim: And what happens when you can't take back a punishment? Sometimes…
00:41:24.010 --> 00:41:26.769 Anshar Seraphim: Being willing to suffer through the dialectic.
00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:31.509 Anshar Seraphim: It can take you to a higher point than the place that you're disagreeing at.
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.440 Anshar Seraphim: Because laws, legislation, policies.
00:41:36.820 --> 00:41:48.500 Anshar Seraphim: they're not about promoting our morality. Laws shouldn't be aimed at promoting morality. They should be aimed at the public good. And I would have hoped that we would have learned that from prohibition.
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.729 Anshar Seraphim: Because, you know, you could go in a room, you know, conservative and liberal.
00:41:52.900 --> 00:42:00.530 Anshar Seraphim: and talk about whether or not alcohol can cause harm. And we could all agree that it does, but did making it illegal
00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:02.260 Anshar Seraphim: help anyone.
00:42:02.410 --> 00:42:17.620 Anshar Seraphim: And the answer is no, because since that behavior was happening, whether or not it was made legal, the only thing that making it illegal did was create criminals. And when you create criminals, you create crime, you lose the ability to regulate the product.
00:42:17.620 --> 00:42:30.200 Anshar Seraphim: you know, we ended up having moonshine that was making people blind and killing people and stills exploding, and, you know, there's no authority figure that you can go to when there's a dispute, because it's not legal, so now people start shooting each other with Tommy guns.
00:42:30.200 --> 00:42:39.129 Anshar Seraphim: You know, whether you're talking about a divisive topic, like legal prostitution or alcohol or, you know, environmental policies.
00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:43.469 Anshar Seraphim: sometimes… When we have to share a social space with other people.
00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:56.869 Anshar Seraphim: You have to make the consideration of how laws serve to benefit the society, and recognize that laws are not about enforcing morality or viewpoints, but it's about what works.
00:42:57.050 --> 00:43:05.650 Anshar Seraphim: And I think that one of the things that the West is getting wrong right now is that because people have become so divisive about their belief systems.
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:06.590 Anshar Seraphim: that…
00:43:06.740 --> 00:43:26.660 Anshar Seraphim: they believe that the only way to be able to stand behind their belief systems is to try to put it into law. And that can create so much chaos and destructive power, when really our aim should be at helping people and making the world a better place. And I think that when we don't have that aim, it's because of the fact
00:43:26.710 --> 00:43:30.769 Anshar Seraphim: That we are losing the ability to think critically.
00:43:31.080 --> 00:43:31.660 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:43:31.660 --> 00:43:42.649 Anshar Seraphim: you know, it's not about whether your neighbor is right or you are, it's about the fact that you have to live in a neighborhood together. And it's something that people are losing touch with, and when I see…
00:43:42.830 --> 00:43:45.169 Anshar Seraphim: So much happening in the world.
00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:53.150 Anshar Seraphim: That could be cured by that, so that we could really start to focus in on the problems that actually matter, that are plaguing us.
00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:54.130 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:43:54.130 --> 00:43:58.199 Anshar Seraphim: It… it is cognitive dissonance in action, in my opinion, since you asked for it.
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:17.480 Frank R. Harrison: I mean, this is a perfect segue into our next break, because the one person that I want to talk about, Matthew Zachary, is looking at the cognitive dissonance that's going on in our country, and treating healthcare as the political narrative that it has become, because of trying to intertwine
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:27.930 Frank R. Harrison: That gap that's been created because of the cognitive dissonance, because of social media, because of people already trying to prove that their view's correct and your view is wrong.
00:44:27.930 --> 00:44:38.559 Frank R. Harrison: And yet, they're losing their humanity, and therefore not even concerned about healthcare. Healthcare to them, if they're already healthy, it's like… it's like worried about going to a good restaurant. They don't have the same…
00:44:38.560 --> 00:44:43.879 Frank R. Harrison: Type of nuance, especially in the part of the world where chronic illness is a way of life.
00:44:43.910 --> 00:44:59.640 Frank R. Harrison: You know, and I think that divide in itself is something that I look forward to sharing in the final segment of the show, where Matthew Zachary is trying to bridge that gap. However, based on everything that you said, I gather the reason why that the United States might be looked on
00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:13.949 Frank R. Harrison: Kind of negatively now is because all the viewpoints at the top are skewed and scattered, and not even focused on any level, that you could be talking about healthcare, or you could be talking about immigration, or you could be talking about something else, and it has the same resonance.
00:45:14.190 --> 00:45:33.370 Frank R. Harrison: There's no sense of priority, no sense of despair, it's just chaos. And when you have that dull narrative, anything can fall apart, and I don't know, people would probably bet… I see, I went over, because we… you said a lot of profound things. That all being said, stay tuned, we'll be back in a few.
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:47.859 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, I am welcoming you back to the final segment of this show on Healthy Media, but I am still keeping up the card for you to scan and pre-order this book, We the Patients.
00:46:47.930 --> 00:46:56.319 Frank R. Harrison: It is going to be released in March, and a follow-up concert will be played at Lincoln Center to raise
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:04.429 Frank R. Harrison: funding for cancer research, as well as cancer cures and all the stuff that had been defunded by the big, beautiful bill.
00:47:04.430 --> 00:47:21.369 Frank R. Harrison: Matthew Zachary is a fighter, an advocate. He has the longest-running healthcare podcast since 2007, available, audio-only in most cases, which is why he appeared on Frank About Health back in December before the holiday break.
00:47:21.370 --> 00:47:25.449 Frank R. Harrison: Because he wanted to expose all of his upcoming activities.
00:47:25.450 --> 00:47:41.080 Frank R. Harrison: He is also working on developing a political action committee that will help block votership that will do nothing but destroy our existing healthcare, system, even though it already has been tainted, in my view.
00:47:41.080 --> 00:47:54.480 Frank R. Harrison: Now, that being said, I recommend this book highly. I haven't gotten my copy yet, but if you use the QR code right there on your phone or any other device, it will be available for pre-order and released to you by March.
00:47:54.740 --> 00:48:05.950 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, that all being said, I think everything that you said, Anshar, in the third segment, he probably represents the voice that can help bridge that gap.
00:48:06.070 --> 00:48:08.799 Frank R. Harrison: And that, cognitive dissonance
00:48:08.930 --> 00:48:14.309 Frank R. Harrison: That has amassed, especially over the last 6 months, if not the entire year 2025.
00:48:14.310 --> 00:48:18.420 Anshar Seraphim: Not familiar, but I'd be more than willing to take a look, yeah.
00:48:19.120 --> 00:48:37.410 Frank R. Harrison: Oh, no, I mean, he actually, when I first met him, I was introduced by Tom, our friend Tom, and, I had no idea that he was gonna be meeting with me about his stuff. I just knew that he was gonna be a great guest, an example of a disruptor.
00:48:37.580 --> 00:48:42.979 Frank R. Harrison: for Frank About Health, but when he told me his story, I, I, I was like…
00:48:43.100 --> 00:48:44.420 Frank R. Harrison: How can I help?
00:48:44.590 --> 00:48:56.430 Frank R. Harrison: you know, I mean, it became more of, like, well, besides being on the show, how can I help you with your concert? And, you know that I've been working on something with Fordham, which is right at Lincoln Center.
00:48:56.540 --> 00:49:10.410 Frank R. Harrison: Where, hopefully, we'll be able to merge those things together, but that's all a matter of timing and other kinds of priorities that have to happen. The thing that I am pretty much trying to say is that he represents the prototype, or the example.
00:49:10.540 --> 00:49:17.300 Frank R. Harrison: Of when you are faced with your life, your mortality, and…
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:26.369 Frank R. Harrison: there's no cure out there, no solution. This is, like, 25 years ago, they didn't have AI, they didn't have social media, they didn't have the cures for cancer they have.
00:49:26.370 --> 00:49:34.529 Anshar Seraphim: Well, there's stuff to discuss there. I mean, we've been struggling with existential nihilism for a long time, ever since Soren Abu Kierkegaard
00:49:34.550 --> 00:49:54.019 Anshar Seraphim: started talking about existential ideas. You know, I think one of the most informative things you can do is to read Albert Camus' narrative on Sisyphus, this idea that, you know, if we are just pushing this boulder up, and this is human existence, how do we make that existence meaningful? I think that meaning
00:49:54.110 --> 00:50:08.580 Anshar Seraphim: You know, and how we choose to approach that as a key part of human existence, but I did want a little bit of an opportunity to talk about some of the things that I'm doing personally, just in the next month or so, just because it's time-limited.
00:50:08.580 --> 00:50:18.399 Anshar Seraphim: I do have a custom GPT that I made for the public, it's completely free, called Ask Onshar, and
00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:22.270 Anshar Seraphim: It's, the name kind of came from all of my friends.
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:33.420 Anshar Seraphim: constantly… my name in people's phones used to be Google, so now it's, you know… after a while, it was Onshore GPT, and then it was Ask Onshore, so I decided to name it that, but…
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:50.010 Anshar Seraphim: I was trying to kind of be that person that I was missing, and when I was younger and struggling with all those social challenges with ASD, I always found people's behavior very confusing. So, the whole purpose of that custom GPT and how I have it set up.
00:50:50.120 --> 00:51:01.600 Anshar Seraphim: is so that people can use it as a resource to help understand confusing behavior. So that's a… that's a neurodivergent resource, but also something that all people can get into. You know, if you're curious why…
00:51:01.600 --> 00:51:15.750 Anshar Seraphim: you know, when someone finds you attractive, or they find you creepy, they're gonna look away in either case, or whether or not someone's being sarcastic in an email or something like that. It's actually not only programmed to do that specifically,
00:51:15.810 --> 00:51:27.290 Anshar Seraphim: But it's also designed to be able to take input from neurodivergent thinkers. So, if you communicate with stream of consciousness, if maybe your, your prosody or the way that you
00:51:27.310 --> 00:51:41.919 Anshar Seraphim: you put together words, you know, has a little bit of something different about it. It's designed specifically to not care about those idiosyncrasies. I also tried to bake in some value for neurotypical folks, too.
00:51:42.300 --> 00:51:50.539 Anshar Seraphim: I kind of modeled it after what we used to do with the 90s infomercial. You know, a lot of those great products that we fondly remember on Made for TV were,
00:51:50.580 --> 00:52:08.829 Anshar Seraphim: were there… they were offered with value for neurotypical people, but really, they served disabled people. You know, the person who benefits most from the little cart carrier that lets you carry in 4 gallons of milk is probably the person with one arm. So, but you have to be able to let people socially share that and get other value out of it. So, to that end.
00:52:08.830 --> 00:52:15.160 Anshar Seraphim: I went through over, I think, over 200 research DOIs on, social media, dating.
00:52:15.160 --> 00:52:32.679 Anshar Seraphim: like, dating and dating profiles, and it actually has a dating profile analyzer on it, too, if you're interested to get insights about a person's personality, what is it, what does it mean that a person chose this particular photo, or decided to write these things on their profile, get insights about them, maybe some leading questions you can ask them.
00:52:32.680 --> 00:52:38.790 Anshar Seraphim: One of the things that's happening right now in our society, because we do not have open spaces for a lot of these conversations.
00:52:38.850 --> 00:52:41.380 Anshar Seraphim: Is people are spending a lot of their time talking.
00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:48.489 Anshar Seraphim: to LLM. And while that can be a good thing, it can also be a very bad thing, because the way that LLM is designed…
00:52:48.540 --> 00:53:05.230 Anshar Seraphim: It takes your prior context and kind of proprioceptively moves it forward, and that can lead to siloed thinking, it can lead to confirmation bias, it can lead to a lack of epistemic humility. Whether or not you're using a particular model or a different one, that can be a big confounding variable in how you get
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:18.189 Anshar Seraphim: results from LLM. And so, to that end, I'm doing a little experiment here. This coming Saturday, I actually have an event. I'm going to be teaching a workshop on how to use neuro-linguistic programming
00:53:18.290 --> 00:53:27.470 Anshar Seraphim: to get better results out of LLM, to stop things like LLM psychosis, have more epistemic honesty with the conclusions and things that you get out of it.
00:53:27.470 --> 00:53:31.120 Anshar Seraphim: how to effectively design your own custom GPT,
00:53:31.120 --> 00:53:49.450 Anshar Seraphim: how to leverage things like the use of GitHub repositories with a tool like Codex, for example, to be able to do document generation. You know, I think if we're all sick at a certain point of trying to copy and paste things, or have a model like GPT trying to cycle through making PDFs for us and things don't line up.
00:53:49.450 --> 00:54:02.029 Anshar Seraphim: So I'll be showing how to do those things in a nice, deterministic way that you can actually trust, with even reasoning that you can work out with a pen and paper to know that it's being honest with you. So there'll be lots of cool things there. One of the things I like to do with workshops
00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:17.609 Anshar Seraphim: is I like to do a quick little interview with each of the people that are in the class and find out what their goals are, so to make sure that they actually get value out of the class and it's not a waste of their time. So if you're interested in that, I have that posted on my LinkedIn. And then I also have a really exciting opportunity coming up next month.
00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:31.160 Anshar Seraphim: I'm actually going to be speaking at Yale on the power of thinking differently. How the different ways, developmentally, we change our cognition, how to identify blind spots in your cognition and leverage your strengths.
00:54:31.160 --> 00:54:47.769 Anshar Seraphim: Because if you can figure out the ways that you're worst at reasoning, you can actually use the ways that you're best at reasoning to circumvent those challenges. And really, there's a ton of other stuff going on, too, but it's probably far too much for me to be able to fit into a couple of minutes, but I will give you my electronic business card link.
00:54:47.770 --> 00:54:57.690 Anshar Seraphim: But it's very, very easy to find me online. There's pretty much nobody else with my name in this combination, so if you look for me in quotes, you will find me. And I do encourage you.
00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:11.710 Anshar Seraphim: to take a look at that content. Not because I'm selling something, just because I think that people will get value out of it. I'm not really a monetarily driven person, I'm a value-driven person, and I think that there's a lot of things that we have to learn
00:55:12.130 --> 00:55:14.210 Anshar Seraphim: About how we reason.
00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:32.169 Anshar Seraphim: And one of the things I lecture on a lot is cognitive biases, cognitive distortions, how our belief systems and the narratives that we tell ourselves can affect our behavior, and then also how to identify those patterns in other people. There's a great quote from Jonathan Swift from way back when.
00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:34.659 Anshar Seraphim: You can't reason another person.
00:55:34.850 --> 00:55:50.219 Anshar Seraphim: out of a decision that they didn't use reason to get into. If a person is going through an emotional experience, and it's causing them to change their behavior, you have to hit them where they live, and show them that you understand them first. You have to show them that you understand their problem first.
00:55:50.280 --> 00:56:09.570 Anshar Seraphim: You find a place of mutual empathy before you can try to just jump into problem solving, and that used to be a big challenge for me with my ASD, because I was a very solution-oriented thinker, I wouldn't know that people were looking for empathy. I think that we all have lots of things to learn about people. One of the things that I thought that I ended up turning into an advantage is not
00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:11.959 Anshar Seraphim: Having… anything in my cup.
00:56:12.020 --> 00:56:31.400 Anshar Seraphim: you know, I didn't have any bad habits, because I didn't have any habits, so I got to pick what my habits were. And I try to teach other people how to do that same thing, how to connect to their audiences, and that's something that I think that we need today, is the ability to open up dialogue, to have a reverse debate, to intentionally invite someone who has an adversarial position.
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:44.659 Anshar Seraphim: And first and foremost, take the time to listen to what they have to say, and see if you can switch positions with that person. See if you can explain that argument back to them to make sure that they agree with you, so you really do understand where they are. And I know that there's a lot of…
00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:48.239 Anshar Seraphim: Pop psychology that goes into the social media space.
00:56:48.250 --> 00:57:07.329 Anshar Seraphim: But if you are really genuinely concerned about people gaslighting you, or, you know, narcissists or whatever, one of the greatest things that you can do, if you're not to the point where you already know that they're toxic and you need a gray rock to get away, is if you actually follow with them through the steps of where they're going, and make sure that they acknowledge that first.
00:57:07.330 --> 00:57:18.030 Anshar Seraphim: They don't have the ability to just say, just kidding, after. You know, you've actually mirrored their entire reasoning and let them paint themselves all the way into a corner so that their position is explicit before you respond to it.
00:57:18.030 --> 00:57:31.129 Anshar Seraphim: And that's part of good listening, but also good boundaries and being able to defend yourself. In fact, setting boundaries is one of the things, I think, that a lot of people struggle with. There's lots of different things to learn, so I find that very inspiring. You know, I think that
00:57:31.160 --> 00:57:46.780 Anshar Seraphim: every single growth that I've had in my life has been fueled by failure, and I find a lot of irony in platforms like LinkedIn, where it's just this movie facade of everyone's best version of themselves with no failure. And failure is powerful. Failure is informative, and I feel that…
00:57:46.870 --> 00:57:50.959 Anshar Seraphim: One of the things that we need to teach kids, because when we move them into the phase of adulthood.
00:57:51.050 --> 00:58:02.279 Anshar Seraphim: is we change this whole way that we look at failure and shame and how we process it, because we use it to sell them products. You know, buy the cream so you don't have zits, you know, buy this, do this, so people don't see you a certain way, buy the bag.
00:58:02.290 --> 00:58:19.079 Anshar Seraphim: And the problem with having a culture that saturates just like that is that we start to have a terrible fear of failure. We even have a memory system that makes us remember our negative experiences more than our positive, and gives us all imposter syndrome. There are some very simple ways to change the way that you live your life.
00:58:19.100 --> 00:58:28.940 Anshar Seraphim: That can make you a lot happier. And it's not some, you know, spiritual system or anything, it's just understanding how things work, and then doing… making your best choices to navigate around that.
00:58:29.380 --> 00:58:39.249 Frank R. Harrison: We have been told to end, so basically everyone you have heard from the Master about what makes healthy media as a movement
00:58:39.250 --> 00:58:46.929 Frank R. Harrison: It's communication, it's using your brain, it's looking for the right information from the right people, the right sources.
00:58:46.930 --> 00:59:09.739 Frank R. Harrison: There is cognitive bias, and there is AI, but you have to keep hold of your own focus and use that. Healthy Media is not just a company that I've created where I have this podcast, I have my documentary, I've been promoting other people's content, Matthew Zachary's concert is in April, as well as his book is on sale now, but more importantly.
00:59:09.740 --> 00:59:16.899 Frank R. Harrison: aside from Anshar's upcoming Yale event, and all of the other things that I have been working on with Fordham Gabelli School of Business.
00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:30.849 Frank R. Harrison: I am telling you right now, to have healthy media in your life is to be focused on what your health needs are, find the right resources to get the answers you're looking for, and then simultaneously continue watching Frank About Health every week.
00:59:30.850 --> 00:59:41.130 Frank R. Harrison: All right, that all being said, Anshar, thank you for being here. Thank you again behind the scenes, Jesse, for engineering the show, as well as thank you again to Sam Leibowitz for TalkRadio.nyc, and the
00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:42.179 Frank R. Harrison: Thanks for having me.
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:55.870 Frank R. Harrison: Well, you're very welcome, and remember, the reason why that I'm talking about healthcare is because it's lived experience that I've now manifested into a movement that everyone needs to be part of in order to get the right
00:59:55.890 --> 01:00:02.469 Frank R. Harrison: information about your healthcare. Alright, everybody, signing off right now. Thanks for being here. Speak to you next week.
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