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EPISODE SUMMARY:
We will have the chance to discuss Spirituality and it's role and impact on health. We will have another recipe from Joey's Kitchen displayed and We will learn more about alternative treatments.
Shervon Laurice returns to Frank About Health after having developed her own podcast on Talkradio.nyc entitled The Expansion Room. This episode brings the spiritual conversation into play as we bring together the spiritual elements involved in healthcare. Weather the journey is through nutrition, psychedelics or Love and Compassion, we will show how the common thread of spirituality does it's best to maximize overall health and wellness.
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In this episode of Frank About Health, Frank R. Harrison and guest Shervon Laurice explore the connection between spirituality, mental health, and daily habits while preparing an iron-rich Mediterranean bowl. As Frank demonstrates the recipe designed to boost iron levels, the discussion expands to how spirituality should be integrated into healthcare and therapy practices. Shervon emphasizes that technology often distracts people from spiritual connection and mindfulness, encouraging intentional routines that nurture both mental and spiritual well-being.
Frank and Shervon begin the second segment by discussing the deep connection between spirituality, self-care, and mental health, emphasizing the need to move beyond symptom-based treatment toward a more holistic and integrative model. Laurice explains that true healing involves love, compassion, and recognizing one’s own worth, as neglecting self-care often leads to anxiety, depression, and physical illness. Together, they highlight the growing movement among therapists and doctors to incorporate spiritual and holistic practices—such as mindfulness, yoga, and psychedelic therapy—into traditional healthcare to foster genuine healing and societal well-being.
Frank and Shervon discuss the connection between spirituality, longevity, and creativity, using Madonna’s spiritual grounding as an example of sustained success. They explore how a lack of spiritual connection may contribute to the struggles and early deaths of famous artists, contrasting this with the healing and consciousness-expanding potential of plant-based psychedelics. Shervon then emphasizes that these substances, historically used for spiritual and communal healing, were wrongly criminalized, and that mindful psychedelic therapy and nutrition can help individuals reconnect with their inner selves and achieve holistic well-being.
The final segment of todays episode begins with Frank and Shervon talking about how spirituality, nutrition, and self-awareness play vital roles in maintaining mental and physical health. They emphasize the importance of taking ownership of one’s well-being through mindful choices, from trusting one’s intuition over blind medical obedience to eating nutritious, whole foods. The episode concludes with reflections on cooking as an act of love and spirituality, connecting body, mind, and soul through intentional care and nourishment.
00:00:52.900 --> 00:01:10.789 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: So we are back in Joey's kitchen, as we are now showing you exactly how to prepare the iron-rich Mediterranean bowl. Hello, and welcome. Right now, I have a bowl with ground beef. I put some, breadcrumbs in it. I'm gonna add
00:01:11.720 --> 00:01:13.169 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: One egg.
00:01:13.650 --> 00:01:21.419 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: With… my onions, peppers, and I also added a little celery for flavor.
00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:29.960 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: And in here, in the mortar, I crushed garlic, with oregano.
00:01:30.340 --> 00:01:34.120 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: And, cumin, and… Turmeric.
00:01:34.590 --> 00:01:38.570 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: That I added to that. With,
00:01:38.810 --> 00:01:46.160 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: White distilled vinegar with my olive oil in there, which I will mix.
00:01:46.370 --> 00:01:55.069 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: into the meat, and make my little meatballs, which will go in here. And then, in this pot here, I will prepare
00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:56.690 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: quinoa.
00:01:57.630 --> 00:02:01.150 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: And on the side, I will… Cut up.
00:02:01.720 --> 00:02:17.339 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: My tomatoes. Prepare, saute the, spinach, and then add everything into the bowl.
00:02:17.540 --> 00:02:20.470 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: So that you can see how nicely it would look.
00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:39.710 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: Okay, so what is the whole point of the iron-rich ingredients that you want to mix together? This is to build iron within the system, because, Mr. Harrison, unfortunately, has low iron. So this is to boost up his iron.
00:02:39.710 --> 00:02:53.710 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: Within his body. So the meat here is the hemolytic iron, the heme iron, and this will be the non-heme iron, especially with spinach, where they say that hopefully, with these ingredients that you're adding.
00:02:53.710 --> 00:03:02.230 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: it's creating a desire, maybe even for seconds or thirds, right? Maybe. Okay. Also, being that
00:03:02.230 --> 00:03:09.159 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: We are showing this on a special episode with Siobhan Laurice when we had done a show
00:03:09.260 --> 00:03:12.539 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: On this almond-encrusted salmon.
00:03:12.710 --> 00:03:19.550 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: There is a difference in this conversation, because we're also looking at the spirituality in healthcare.
00:03:19.670 --> 00:03:28.000 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: What is your definition of spirituality in the way you're preparing the foods, given your patients' needs?
00:03:35.410 --> 00:03:40.929 Frank R. Harrison: I'm not letting him answer that question, because now I will officially introduce.
00:03:40.940 --> 00:03:45.280 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: This episode of Frank About Health, where you and I together.
00:03:45.280 --> 00:04:02.900 Frank R. Harrison: We'll discuss the answer to that question. And for everyone out there, I hope you're hungry, because this show ends after it's dinner time for most people, 6 o'clock Eastern, and we will show you the final product that he prepared, and his spiritual explanation, but…
00:04:02.910 --> 00:04:08.790 Frank R. Harrison: We are here today with my special guest and fellow TalkRadio.nyc hostess.
00:04:08.990 --> 00:04:26.739 Frank R. Harrison: Siobhan Lauriese from the expansion Room. She had been on Frank About Health, now she has her series. We were on there, as you heard us refer to the almond-encrusted salmon. And we are also here to discuss a lot of what you would have been discussing with
00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:43.820 Frank R. Harrison: Linda Marzanico on the A train to Sedona. So, this episode is special in many ways. We're celebrating family, talkradio.nyc family, as well as really getting into the understanding how spirituality plays a very cohesive role
00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:57.219 Frank R. Harrison: in healthcare. Now, I will issue my disclaimer. Whatever your religious beliefs are, or whatever your healthcare beliefs are, they are not the views of the expansion room, frank about Health, or talkradio.nyc.
00:04:57.220 --> 00:05:04.140 Frank R. Harrison: Therefore, I hope you take it as food for thought, learn a lot, and eat a lot. And welcome back, Siobhan.
00:05:04.470 --> 00:05:08.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Thank you, Frank, I appreciate that introduction.
00:05:10.060 --> 00:05:11.200 Frank R. Harrison: My pleasure.
00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:13.840 Frank R. Harrison: So, that being said,
00:05:14.190 --> 00:05:22.319 Frank R. Harrison: Why don't you first tell me what you and Linda were going to talk about, with spirituality and healthcare?
00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:27.889 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, so we were going to discuss, both of us being in the mental health space.
00:05:28.050 --> 00:05:41.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: She's a psychologist, I'm a licensed, clinical professional counselor, and, so we were going to talk about the fact that in the mental health space, especially in our…
00:05:41.700 --> 00:05:56.099 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: training, that spirituality was not often included. Now, my training is a little bit different than hers. As psychologists, I know that they are trained not to include spirituality at all.
00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:03.560 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: My degree, was from Loyola's Pastoral Counseling Program. So we did…
00:06:03.810 --> 00:06:21.419 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the space to invite in spirituality. It was, during that time in the… in 2001, early 2000s, mindfulness had already started to be part of the conversation.
00:06:21.430 --> 00:06:33.170 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right. In some places in mental health. But as the 20-plus years, 22-plus years, years have rolled on for me, I have…
00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:42.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: thought about and learned new ways to incorporate the conversation of spirituality with clients, because really.
00:06:43.190 --> 00:06:47.290 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the… I was actually talking to,
00:06:48.060 --> 00:06:54.879 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: a future guest who's coming up on my show, and he talked… we were talking about mental health.
00:06:55.260 --> 00:06:58.689 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and spirituality, and he said…
00:06:58.840 --> 00:07:06.270 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mental health is spirituality, and spirituality is mental health. Just, like, summed it up perfectly.
00:07:06.420 --> 00:07:08.449 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And it really is that. It's…
00:07:09.010 --> 00:07:14.709 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We cannot afford any longer to offer people
00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:23.380 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Psychotherapy, any kind of mental health therapy, and not offer the space
00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For there to be spiritual exploration.
00:07:27.700 --> 00:07:28.350 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:07:28.590 --> 00:07:34.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You really can't. And… and that… and I… I leave it broad like that, because, you know, for…
00:07:34.950 --> 00:07:37.810 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For some people, that's religion-based.
00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:46.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Correct. For some people, that's just spiritual-based, and for others, and I know a bunch of people like this who
00:07:46.470 --> 00:07:54.260 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: identify as atheist, right? So, don't believe that there's a God, but also identify as spiritual.
00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:04.570 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah, I gather… my perception… I don't know many people who are atheists. I knew one person in my life, and that was 30 years ago.
00:08:04.570 --> 00:08:04.930 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Okay.
00:08:04.930 --> 00:08:12.520 Frank R. Harrison: when I did know that person, again, 30 years ago, we were teenagers, or whatever our age group was at that point.
00:08:12.900 --> 00:08:19.079 Frank R. Harrison: I would say the individual was just believing in himself.
00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.600 Frank R. Harrison: Internally, intuition.
00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:23.549 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah. What… whatever…
00:08:23.550 --> 00:08:33.659 Frank R. Harrison: was vibing him. That is how I think he labeled spirituality, rather than, I believe the universe is overseeing what's going on.
00:08:33.700 --> 00:08:34.649 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know?
00:08:34.820 --> 00:08:35.159 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yep.
00:08:35.489 --> 00:08:55.089 Frank R. Harrison: It's very interesting, because it's almost like our society today, with people's views, and how they are either used extreme to one side, or extreme to the other, or, as they would say in mental health circles, narcissistically or masochistically, and all I can say is.
00:08:55.719 --> 00:09:08.669 Frank R. Harrison: I don't know about you, but I call it disruption, but I call it chaos also, and it does affect me with my emotional well-being, sometimes my physical well-being, and of course, just overall mental health, so I have a…
00:09:08.829 --> 00:09:15.479 Frank R. Harrison: Firmer belief now, more than ever, that there needs to be a spiritual component when dealing with mental health.
00:09:15.690 --> 00:09:16.430 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:09:16.560 --> 00:09:19.910 Frank R. Harrison: You know, whether it's with your therapist, or your pastor, or both.
00:09:19.910 --> 00:09:20.650 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:09:21.020 --> 00:09:21.400 Frank R. Harrison: You know?
00:09:21.400 --> 00:09:37.859 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I believe they're… they're definitely… especially as things are right now, I think part of the issue, and a lot of people don't want to hear it, but I think the lack of connection to spirit
00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:46.290 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? That lack of connection, to self, small s, as well as self, big S.
00:09:46.750 --> 00:09:47.350 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:09:47.350 --> 00:09:52.870 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's part of the issue with how people are relating to one another.
00:09:53.420 --> 00:10:07.259 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, yes, and I was also having this conversation with Joey that technology, which is convenience for all of us, especially artificial intelligence or whatever, seems to be taking us away from connecting.
00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:08.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In some ways, yeah.
00:10:09.540 --> 00:10:19.130 Frank R. Harrison: So, I mean, people could say, whether it's, you know, on, memes, or even making things go viral,
00:10:19.230 --> 00:10:22.980 Frank R. Harrison: That technology is creating a dopamine release?
00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:33.500 Frank R. Harrison: And people are becoming more self-absorbed and stuff like that, but how much would you say that technology is actually impacting a connection with your soul?
00:10:37.160 --> 00:10:42.650 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I think it does in the sense of distraction.
00:10:43.750 --> 00:10:47.939 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, for instance, I was talking to a client recently.
00:10:48.050 --> 00:11:00.090 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And I asked them, well, what is your morning routine when you first wake up? Because they were talking about, kind of, that… that depression and anxiety started for them early in the day.
00:11:00.330 --> 00:11:05.599 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right. And so I wanted to get, an understanding as to where their thoughts
00:11:05.830 --> 00:11:08.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Were when they first woke up.
00:11:08.910 --> 00:11:15.979 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so when they first wake up, they said, they pick up their phone, and before they get out of bed, they start scrolling.
00:11:17.630 --> 00:11:23.680 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And I was like… That is an issue. Why would you start your day that way?
00:11:23.800 --> 00:11:28.070 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: with anxiety, right? You're scrolling, so you're…
00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:37.800 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Automatically into the news cycle. You're automatically into social media, and your feet have not touched the floor yet.
00:11:39.780 --> 00:11:45.990 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Wow. And so, how about starting your day with… and then, you know, we talked about not picking up the phone.
00:11:46.080 --> 00:12:00.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: To start scrolling, but to actually get up, get water, maybe get a cup of coffee, you know, start moving around your space, and setting for yourself an intention for your day.
00:12:01.170 --> 00:12:01.700 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:12:01.700 --> 00:12:02.180 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:12:02.180 --> 00:12:02.560 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:12:02.560 --> 00:12:04.320 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That your mindset.
00:12:04.610 --> 00:12:07.440 Frank R. Harrison: Yes. To move forward into your day.
00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:12.269 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And, also, they also said they end their day with scrolling.
00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.600 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Just before bedtime.
00:12:14.790 --> 00:12:16.860 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Just before turning off the light.
00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:33.740 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so I was like, so you're ending your day in high anxiety, and you're waking up to high anxiety. So how about not picking up the phone in the morning, first thing, allow yourself to set an intention for your day.
00:12:34.650 --> 00:12:41.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? To even check in with your thoughts, to make your first thoughts more positive.
00:12:42.390 --> 00:12:43.120 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:12:43.380 --> 00:12:44.550 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In your day? Yes.
00:12:44.870 --> 00:12:47.460 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And then move into the day slowly.
00:12:47.860 --> 00:13:10.469 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And to, in the evenings, instead of doomscrolling, that's what most of the young people seem to call it, doomscrolling, on social media, that last hour be something where you're either journaling, or watching something that's more uplifting, or doing some mindfulness practice before you go to bed.
00:13:10.640 --> 00:13:15.699 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So that your mind is not gnawing on negativity.
00:13:15.900 --> 00:13:18.489 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I made a mistake recently myself.
00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:28.190 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Because I tend to not doomscroll at night, and I'm usually watching some sort of either spiritual or uplifting kind of thing on YouTube.
00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:45.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But I came across… oh, an article… one of my favorite music artists died recently, and in March, another favorite music artist of mine had passed, and I had missed it somehow, because I don't.
00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:46.379 Frank R. Harrison: Who were they?
00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:54.420 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: D'angelo died last week. Yes, I heard about that. And his, ex…
00:13:54.560 --> 00:13:56.620 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Oh, my brain just did a…
00:13:56.750 --> 00:14:05.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: perimenopause brain fart. His girlfriend, from way back in the day, they had had a child together, and she… Angie Stone, she had died.
00:14:05.780 --> 00:14:06.530 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:14:06.770 --> 00:14:07.630 Frank R. Harrison: Car accidents.
00:14:07.630 --> 00:14:09.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In a car accident.
00:14:09.140 --> 00:14:09.530 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:14:09.530 --> 00:14:26.539 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And I… I pulled up the article, and it literally, it was just before bed, and read the article, and my heart just did this thing, and I was like, ugh, I should have saved this for tomorrow, in the middle of my day, because now it's gonna be in my sleep pattern, right? It's gonna be the last thing I thought of.
00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.789 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And, you know, I try not to do those kinds of things.
00:14:29.790 --> 00:14:30.240 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.849 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? Just before bed or upon waking.
00:14:34.820 --> 00:14:41.199 Frank R. Harrison: Wow, you know, when I was in the music industry, I remember when Angie Stone got signed to Clive's J Records.
00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:42.349 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Which is back around the table.
00:14:42.350 --> 00:14:45.029 Frank R. Harrison: time of 2000, 1999.
00:14:45.030 --> 00:14:47.000 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That was in the late 90s.
00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:59.309 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, she was the second artist after Alicia Keys, and so I remember when I was invited over to the label so that I can meet… get their samples, and I met Alicia Keys, but I did not meet Angie Stone.
00:14:59.370 --> 00:15:07.559 Frank R. Harrison: And yet, I remember when I was doing the promotional work for those albums at the record club that Sony owned, Columbia House.
00:15:07.560 --> 00:15:21.490 Frank R. Harrison: We were trying to offer, particularly with Clive's label, those titles on Street Date, which was not done at the record club. And I just remember how the vibe was going on with these new up-and-coming R&B artists.
00:15:21.490 --> 00:15:21.960 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yay!
00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:27.349 Frank R. Harrison: The way that, I guess, probably Clive was trying to find a new Whitney, or whatever the story may have been.
00:15:27.350 --> 00:15:30.189 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But, when I heard of Angie Stone's death.
00:15:30.350 --> 00:15:36.040 Frank R. Harrison: The way I identified with it was from the industry, like, wow, a loss of a talent.
00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:37.120 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:51.159 Frank R. Harrison: But it does kind of go back into my… and we're about to take our first break, but it kind of goes back into my question, that technology has basically interfered with the one source that we always need to be connected to, which is our soul.
00:15:51.160 --> 00:15:52.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's it.
00:15:52.050 --> 00:15:54.940 Frank R. Harrison: And that fragmentation, I guess, is the constant.
00:15:54.940 --> 00:16:13.589 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, yeah, it's that perfect word, fragmentation. Yes. The perfect way to describe it. We are so connected… we're more connected to one another than ever before in our human history, at least this iteration of our human history.
00:16:14.230 --> 00:16:23.009 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But it's also disconnecting, because people… I see it… when I go walking in the morning, right?
00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:37.040 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I usually have on music, but I don't often have my phone in my hand, so I will walk past some people, and they're walking, and they're paying attention to their phone, or they're walking their dog, and they never look up from their phone.
00:16:37.740 --> 00:16:56.619 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Ever. It's so strange to me. Or when I go to… like, I did an episode with my chiropractor, last week, and he has traction tables in his office that, once you get adjusted, you lay down on the traction table, and it just allows your body to
00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:59.999 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Take what the adjustment, you know.
00:17:00.290 --> 00:17:06.810 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: was supposed to be. I just lay there and allow the machine to just do the traction thing on my back. I love it.
00:17:07.210 --> 00:17:20.710 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Everyone else is sitting on the table with their phones, and they're looking at their phones. I'm like, you just have to lay down for 5 minutes! You can't, like, lay down for 5 minutes without being like… I just don't understand!
00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.099 Frank R. Harrison: Well…
00:17:23.420 --> 00:17:34.550 Frank R. Harrison: I totally understand your momentum, and right now I'm looking at the text from our engineer that we definitely got her hungry because she has left to go grab food.
00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:42.780 Frank R. Harrison: The gods have dinner cooking, and yet we're… I think we're 2 minutes past break, so we're…
00:17:42.780 --> 00:17:43.779 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Take a break!
00:17:43.780 --> 00:17:50.669 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah, time to take a break, so everybody, please stay tuned while we can take this fragmentation and integrate it together. We'll be back in a few.
00:17:50.670 --> 00:17:53.120 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Perfect.
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00:19:32.670 --> 00:19:49.790 Frank R. Harrison: Hey, everybody, and welcome back. Both myself and Siobhan were going off on our own discussion about how spirituality and the soul are definitely interconnected. This is a healthcare show, so I want to spend the next segment kind of bringing together
00:19:49.790 --> 00:20:05.299 Frank R. Harrison: the fact that technology, among other issues that are going on in our society right now, is keeping us all fragmented from reaching that source of strength that we all need every day. That being said, two things I want to find out in this segment from you, Siobhan.
00:20:05.300 --> 00:20:24.680 Frank R. Harrison: is that, as you know, Linda is on the road to love and compassion. Love and compassion is part of when you have integrated with your soul. So, is there anything you were going to say on her show that you can share here that goes in line with how your practice tries to bring all of that together?
00:20:25.330 --> 00:20:28.070 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, so love and compassion.
00:20:28.460 --> 00:20:33.550 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Is at the heart of… my…
00:20:33.840 --> 00:20:41.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Desire to look at mental health as something that has, has to shift.
00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:45.830 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Has to be… be able to create a new paradigm.
00:20:46.050 --> 00:20:56.199 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So… Mental health, like, The medical model is fragmented, we'll use the same word, in the sense that
00:20:56.750 --> 00:20:58.620 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They look at symptoms.
00:20:58.940 --> 00:20:59.430 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:20:59.430 --> 00:21:05.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: they treat based on symptoms. Never is there a question about…
00:21:06.660 --> 00:21:12.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Root cause, why is this happening? Why do these symptoms even manifest?
00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:27.349 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Now, some doctors are getting better. We have the segment of the medical system that is integrative health, or integrative medical care, right? Right. And so that is wonderful, and that's starting to expand. We're starting to see more of that.
00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:41.049 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But in the mental health model, it's still about you going to the psychiatrist, or sometimes it's just your medical doctor and saying, hey, doc, I have these symptoms, and then them writing you a prescription.
00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:48.479 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Now, some will then say, you should see a therapist, and they'll refer them to a therapist.
00:21:48.940 --> 00:21:55.369 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But that's kinda it. Like, even with psychotherapy, we were trained…
00:21:55.600 --> 00:22:06.689 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Based also on symptoms, but we at least can, through talk therapy, help them to get to the root cause of what might be ailing them, right?
00:22:06.690 --> 00:22:16.520 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Correct. But it's not always from a spiritual side, right? It's not always where, people go. Like, if you're doing cognitive behavioral therapy.
00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:24.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: doesn't always include the spirituality piece. If you are incorporating mindfulness practices, then yes, it will.
00:22:25.030 --> 00:22:26.220 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, they…
00:22:26.230 --> 00:22:28.999 Frank R. Harrison: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, what were you gonna say?
00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:42.910 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, yeah, so the shift has to be that we incorporate these traditional theories with more of the spirituality that we see coming… in really the spiritual,
00:22:43.570 --> 00:22:55.189 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: inquisitiveness, right? Asking people what are their practices of self-care? Asking, how do you take care of yourself?
00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:56.020 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:22:56.020 --> 00:23:06.110 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, the, the… for me, spirituality is the act of seeing yourself As worthy of care.
00:23:07.190 --> 00:23:13.470 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I see so many clients who treat the other people in their lives better than they treat themselves.
00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:19.929 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They run themselves into the ground. They don't put themselves at the top of their own list.
00:23:20.190 --> 00:23:23.329 Frank R. Harrison: My favorite thing in getting on a plane.
00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:29.190 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And, you know, airlines have made travel so much harder than it used to be, but one of my.
00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:32.059 Frank R. Harrison: Especially when the government shut down.
00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:44.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But my favorite thing is when they say the mask that drops down if there's low cabin air pressure, put your mask on first.
00:23:45.370 --> 00:23:47.870 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Then help the person next to you.
00:23:48.590 --> 00:23:54.539 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah, what I was gonna say, based on what you just ended your whole concept on, is that…
00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:03.140 Frank R. Harrison: I guess generationally, I would call it, in this case, generational trauma, we are all taught how not to think of ourselves first.
00:24:03.140 --> 00:24:03.740 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's right.
00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:11.489 Frank R. Harrison: Which is why we are… we become dysregulated, which is why we become triggered, which is why we're exposed to trauma at a higher frequency.
00:24:11.510 --> 00:24:19.080 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly, and the notion of always putting everyone else first builds resentment.
00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:21.010 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For a lot of people.
00:24:21.130 --> 00:24:24.330 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But it is not resentment that they speak about.
00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:30.579 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Oftentimes, that resentment is held in and pretty much turned on themselves, right?
00:24:30.580 --> 00:24:31.640 Frank R. Harrison: through depression.
00:24:31.860 --> 00:24:33.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yep, through depression.
00:24:33.790 --> 00:24:42.539 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Through anxiety. Through the… The adding to the trauma that they've already experienced in their lives.
00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:43.000 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:24:43.020 --> 00:24:49.360 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We don't realize… And I say we, I mean, we as a people
00:24:49.620 --> 00:24:58.290 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: on this planet, not enough realize… not enough of us realize that our thoughts… are powerful.
00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:08.850 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We are just at the beginning in these last, I would say, decade of looking at How our thoughts…
00:25:09.210 --> 00:25:19.100 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And our beliefs that we kind of have floating around in our minds cause mental health, but physical health problems.
00:25:19.100 --> 00:25:19.870 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:25:20.020 --> 00:25:20.550 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right?
00:25:20.550 --> 00:25:26.809 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, I agree. Our bodies don't know if we're experiencing stress from our environment.
00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:29.879 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Or, from the thoughts in our head.
00:25:31.450 --> 00:25:47.579 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Are we reliving some traumatic experience we had in our families, or that we experienced at work? Or are we beating ourselves up and calling ourselves names that we would never use with a friend or a child, right?
00:25:48.040 --> 00:25:54.370 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Are we holding on to negative patterns of thinking?
00:25:54.710 --> 00:26:00.779 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: All of those then change Your gene expression.
00:26:01.290 --> 00:26:04.400 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: All of those things affect your DNA.
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.399 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: All of those things affect you at a cellular level.
00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:10.790 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But we do it all the time.
00:26:11.190 --> 00:26:16.849 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And then we wonder why… Autoimmune issues are on the rise.
00:26:19.390 --> 00:26:32.060 Frank R. Harrison: And then, I mean, even if… I hate using the word political system, because I don't want anyone to think that I'm talking out of line, but what we've seen in the last year alone…
00:26:32.810 --> 00:26:43.589 Frank R. Harrison: is a reflection of our eroding mental health. That's my view. I mean, why else would you vote for something that already shown you what that individual was made of?
00:26:43.590 --> 00:26:44.160 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:49.000 Frank R. Harrison: You know? Or better yet, not vote at all. Why would you do that? You want to sit on the back of the railroad?
00:26:49.020 --> 00:27:04.840 Frank R. Harrison: You know, I mean, again, I'm not trying to refer to anything from the Civil Rights Movement, but I'm saying that… would you just want to sit at the back of the train and watch everything act like a roller coaster, and you're sitting there, like, not even seat-belted, do you know what I mean?
00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:05.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Let's go.
00:27:05.770 --> 00:27:16.369 Frank R. Harrison: And that's what appears to be going on right now, and that's why I've dedicated Frank AboutHealth to be focused on, if you see disruption, what are you going to do about it? I guess that's also a way
00:27:16.370 --> 00:27:27.859 Frank R. Harrison: I consider you a member of my Voices of Disruption team because you're using a practice of your own that is incorporating all of these external elements that are not normally thought of.
00:27:27.950 --> 00:27:30.210 Frank R. Harrison: To try to create a more holistic view.
00:27:30.340 --> 00:27:30.830 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:27:30.830 --> 00:27:35.620 Frank R. Harrison: And I gather that's what you were going to share with Linda on the A train.
00:27:35.620 --> 00:27:42.579 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely, absolutely. We've got to start to… and it starts with us, right?
00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:48.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I would say 22 years ago, when I was just becoming a therapist.
00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:51.310 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I did not have this same mindset.
00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:54.689 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It has evolved over time.
00:27:55.170 --> 00:28:08.600 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: A lot of the work that I've done on myself as a human being, I realized, oh, this is going to be even more beneficial to the people that I work with, right?
00:28:08.600 --> 00:28:23.980 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: as a yoga therapist and a psychedelic therapist, I can see where pairing that with talk therapy or psychotherapy, it could be a benefit to help move someone along a little bit faster.
00:28:24.230 --> 00:28:24.810 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:28:24.810 --> 00:28:28.199 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In their healing, and in their growth, and in their expansion.
00:28:28.310 --> 00:28:32.800 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, yeah, it's… it's… we have to make that shift.
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:43.309 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And that's the only way I think we're going to see the society as a whole heal. And I'm starting to see it in pockets, right? There is…
00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:43.950 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:28:43.950 --> 00:29:03.150 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There are therapists, like me, who are shifting to a more holistic model. There are therapists… I mean, there are doctors who are shifting to a more holistic model. So many doctors, I'm hearing, are getting out of the medical field and doing something else, because they're finding that this is not it, the way
00:29:03.170 --> 00:29:06.969 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The, medical industry has changed.
00:29:07.370 --> 00:29:08.440 Frank R. Harrison: True, true.
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:13.850 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We're about to take our second break, but I just wanted to say, and to Jesse out there.
00:29:13.890 --> 00:29:23.090 Frank R. Harrison: That recipe that we showed you at the beginning, make sure you take seconds and thirds, because that is exactly how you're going to improve on your…
00:29:23.270 --> 00:29:32.600 Frank R. Harrison: iron deficiency issues, if you have any. And that being said, I want to hear more about the psychedelic practice you have, because that in itself…
00:29:32.890 --> 00:29:40.009 Frank R. Harrison: Is reaching in parts of the brain that probably people are not activating when they are not using those special techniques.
00:29:40.110 --> 00:29:58.709 Frank R. Harrison: I know there's been a lot of legal reform in allowing things like cannabis, but I think it could also explain some of the spiritual reach that we all really are seeking, but with your psychedelic treatment, I'm sure you're helping people get there faster. So that would be, I guess, the special segment 3 that's coming up.
00:29:58.710 --> 00:29:59.310 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Cardin.
00:29:59.310 --> 00:30:14.649 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, that all being said, everybody, please stay tuned right here on Frank About Health on talkradio.nyc, and our social media of YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitch. If you have any questions, feel free to ask live. We will be here to answer them. Otherwise, we'll see you in a few.
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00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:03.869 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. Now, Siobhan, I was just thinking during the commercial break, we had talked about two other artists in the first segment.
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:22.949 Frank R. Harrison: I don't know if you had a chance to see about another artist that everyone knows named Madonna. She was just, discussing her Kabbalah practice and explaining that the reason why she's had a longevity in her career, 40-plus years, is stemming from her belief system and keeping her spirituality grounded.
00:32:23.050 --> 00:32:34.520 Frank R. Harrison: Now, I kind of always knew that. I am obviously a fan of her and her work and her career, especially when it was in the music industry. It was very inspiring to watch her marketing in action.
00:32:34.520 --> 00:32:43.769 Frank R. Harrison: But the spiritual side, I just made the correlation that people who are spiritual are still here after 40, 50, 60 years.
00:32:44.500 --> 00:33:02.779 Frank R. Harrison: most people don't see it that way, they just think, oh, well, probably their sales were not as high, the label dropped them, or whatever, or… God forbid, they died. But… how would you equate that, and then segue over into your psychedelic practice to explain how you're helping people reach their spiritual side?
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:19.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, I think when people have longevity in, say, the music industry, or some sort of creative industry, that is public-facing, right? But it can also be somewhere that we don't know who they are, but they have a long career.
00:33:20.360 --> 00:33:31.630 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: grounding in spirituality is so key, because you can be swept away by so many things. For people who are famous, it could be drugs.
00:33:31.860 --> 00:33:37.079 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know, or alcohol, that just kind of sweeps them away. So it…
00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:45.310 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It allows for a level of grounding as they continue to, of course, expand into who they are.
00:33:45.510 --> 00:33:51.119 Frank R. Harrison: I think the other piece of spirituality in reference to one's career is.
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:59.630 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: this… Turning inward on a regular basis also allows you to get guidance
00:34:00.090 --> 00:34:05.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: About next steps, right? Right. Stepping forward, because you've…
00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:15.280 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: checked in or tuned in to your inner voice, or your intuition, or some people use the word God or the universe, but it's an inner experience.
00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:18.500 Frank R. Harrison: We do a lot of out-facing…
00:34:19.030 --> 00:34:23.250 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know, interactions in our lives, but we don't often…
00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:35.350 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Most people don't take as much or an equal balance of turning inward, turning towards their soul, turning towards the self.
00:34:35.580 --> 00:34:36.120 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right?
00:34:36.120 --> 00:34:36.550 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:37.699 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: our…
00:34:38.449 --> 00:34:51.160 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: central nervous system is supposed to be pretty balanced. Matter of fact, our lives should be more spent in parasympathetic nervous system. Rest, relaxed.
00:34:51.330 --> 00:34:55.569 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I like to throw in restore, and digest.
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:56.230 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:34:56.230 --> 00:35:06.669 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But for the most part, we live in sympathetic nervous system, fight, flight, or freeze. That is the daily life of modern-day Westerners.
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:25.789 Frank R. Harrison: So then, when you look at the triad of deaths that occurred in the mid-2015 timeframe, about 2012, Whitney Houston, Prince, George Michael, even David… well, David Bowie, I think he had cancer, but those three artists in particular, in their…
00:35:25.890 --> 00:35:30.250 Frank R. Harrison: 48 was Whitney all the way to 55, which I think was George Michael.
00:35:30.790 --> 00:35:33.339 Frank R. Harrison: It was… well, Michael Jackson, that's another example.
00:35:33.340 --> 00:35:33.790 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yay!
00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:36.039 Frank R. Harrison: They were drug-related.
00:35:36.040 --> 00:35:36.800 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yes?
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.810 Frank R. Harrison: Because it looks like…
00:35:37.810 --> 00:35:42.150 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Winehouse, same. She was younger. Exactly. But Amy Winehouse, yeah.
00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:43.769 Frank R. Harrison: All of these artists…
00:35:44.450 --> 00:35:46.679 Frank R. Harrison: Had a drug-related death.
00:35:46.680 --> 00:35:47.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:35:47.140 --> 00:35:59.810 Frank R. Harrison: Because it appears to me, as I'm continuing to look inward, not inward to my own life, but inward into how you achieve such massive success, and couldn't handle it.
00:36:00.230 --> 00:36:02.760 Frank R. Harrison: I gather they were not in touch with their spirit.
00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:07.110 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I don't know, because I did not know them, of course, personally.
00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:07.800 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:15.890 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But… They had not evolved to the point where they used their spirituality to ground them.
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:17.140 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:36:17.430 --> 00:36:17.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:36:18.730 --> 00:36:25.099 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: there are many people… like, I would venture to say every person on this planet has some addiction.
00:36:25.610 --> 00:36:31.519 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I'm… as a person who has worked in drug treatment, before I opened my own practice.
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:40.800 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I would venture to say everybody's got something. I mean, let's go down to the basics of what we have in our kitchen. Let's start with sugar and coffee.
00:36:41.110 --> 00:36:51.739 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, I can't say that just because they had illicit drug use, that they were…
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:58.270 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Not in touch with their spirit, but maybe they hadn't gotten to the place where they didn't find
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:03.039 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Solace in some way in that kind of drug use.
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:11.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Now, some people would say that therapists who are moving into the spaces of… Psychedelics.
00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:17.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Are inviting people into illicit drug use.
00:37:17.640 --> 00:37:20.590 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There are definitely therapists out there that
00:37:20.870 --> 00:37:24.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: believe that. And I would disagree.
00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:32.369 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Plant medicine has been around for time immemorial. Like, millennia.
00:37:33.380 --> 00:37:39.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indigenous cultures around the world, including Western cultures.
00:37:39.590 --> 00:37:51.760 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: People always want to use this term, Indigenous cultures, to mean black and brown people, but when we go back far enough into westernized… what we consider westernized cultures.
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They also had Indigenous peoples.
00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:59.489 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In those areas, who we would call white.
00:37:59.490 --> 00:38:16.949 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: who were also engaging in plant medicine. So let's be clear, plant medicine was used all over the planet before a certain time, before colonialism. And nearly every major culture
00:38:17.090 --> 00:38:22.950 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Had some sort of substance that they used that we would now label as a psychedelic.
00:38:23.470 --> 00:38:24.339 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And they use…
00:38:24.340 --> 00:38:24.740 Frank R. Harrison: Huh.
00:38:24.740 --> 00:38:33.990 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: for healing, they use them for spiritual and mind expansion, and to connect as a community.
00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:35.550 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so…
00:38:36.540 --> 00:38:47.590 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: we have to get out of this… this idea that we're now taking what has been an illicit drug and trying to make it therapeutic. No.
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:54.579 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Folks took a drug, they took a substance that was therapeutic.
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:57.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And made it an illicit drug.
00:38:57.190 --> 00:39:14.040 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So let's really look at the cycle here. And these substances, whether they are plants or whether they are mushrooms, they all have their varying and different effects, but there's a spirit in each of those plants.
00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:20.840 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That works well with the body and with the mind to bring about
00:39:21.130 --> 00:39:24.759 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: healing, right? By looking at the psyche.
00:39:24.950 --> 00:39:27.729 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: By looking at what ails us.
00:39:28.330 --> 00:39:34.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And helping us to go, oh, this is what's going on for me. And…
00:39:34.650 --> 00:39:38.040 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Coming out of that experience doing integration.
00:39:38.200 --> 00:39:47.419 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And figuring out, what do I need to let go of in my life, or change in my life, and then what do I need to welcome in?
00:39:47.630 --> 00:39:52.939 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What do I need to bring in to shift my life in the direction that I want it to go?
00:39:53.760 --> 00:40:05.339 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Correct, correct. And so my work with people, in reference to, like, psychedelic harm reduction and integration, my work with psychedelic cannabis.
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:17.679 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's really about helping people to set an intention. They know something's going on for them that they want to shift or change, so setting an intention, that's the beginning of the work.
00:40:18.140 --> 00:40:29.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Knowing what it is that your end goal you need it to be. And then going into that experience, letting the medicine
00:40:29.770 --> 00:40:41.410 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Take them where they need to go, and then on the back end, doing the integration work to make the shifts and changes in their lives, that would be most beneficial for them.
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:49.940 Frank R. Harrison: It's almost like in the case of my father, where he is a recovering cancer patient, taking his medication, which has side effects.
00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:59.279 Frank R. Harrison: Did we open the show showing an iron-rich Mediterranean bull, which is managing his side effect of iron deficiency?
00:40:59.280 --> 00:40:59.650 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:40:59.650 --> 00:41:16.710 Frank R. Harrison: which has given him anemia. One can say it's because of the medication, or probably because of the loss of weight, or probably the dehydration that continues, but the irony is he's okay with his cancer. It's contained, especially at his age, but the side effects are debilitating.
00:41:16.890 --> 00:41:28.580 Frank R. Harrison: So, it's like the confusion is stemming from not having the inner information, like you've just outlined, about how drugs that already had healing properties were deemed illicit.
00:41:28.710 --> 00:41:37.969 Frank R. Harrison: And now medication, which are deemed healing properties, have side effects. What do we do with them? You use food. Food is the substitute.
00:41:38.100 --> 00:41:54.919 Frank R. Harrison: You know, so that's the secret, really. But what I'm trying to get at is that, would you say that a lot of people are just misreading the signals and keeping the fragmentation because they're believing in the labels more so than the facts of the healing properties?
00:41:55.540 --> 00:42:01.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, the labels on the psychedelics, you mean, that they've put? Exactly. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think, I think…
00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:08.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There has been so much propaganda, around… Plant medicines.
00:42:09.060 --> 00:42:14.360 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And people ha- they did a really good job. A lot of people still believe it.
00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:16.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: A lot of people… people are
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:28.419 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: coming around, slowly but surely. I mean, Michael Pollan's book helped. Some other, MAPS has done a great job with the research and getting the word out.
00:42:29.240 --> 00:42:33.889 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: we're looking at the kinds of research that help veterans. I mean, there's…
00:42:34.010 --> 00:42:40.899 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: there's so much now that people… I was… even… even when I was traveling in Italy.
00:42:41.070 --> 00:42:43.689 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I'm sitting in a restaurant with my partner.
00:42:44.020 --> 00:42:48.150 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and I'm listening to these Italian ladies talk.
00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:57.789 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And, you know, my Italian's not that great yet, but I'm still… I'm learning. But I know the word psychedelic when I hear it.
00:42:58.200 --> 00:43:03.810 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And they were clearly talking about doing psychedelics.
00:43:05.240 --> 00:43:17.220 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For me, it would be gelato. I'm joking. No, and they were not, like, young, like, like, young 20-something, like, women. Like, they didn't even sound like they were talking party. They…
00:43:17.220 --> 00:43:31.379 Frank R. Harrison: literally didn't sound like they were talking about the therapeutic effects of psychedelics, and so I was like, alright, this is getting around. What's the main reason for keeping those labels strong in people's minds? Is it simply about money, or is it something else?
00:43:31.450 --> 00:43:36.869 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I think part of it is money. The pharmaceutical industry is not gonna die an easy death.
00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:37.960 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Trust.
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But the other piece, too, is… think about it.
00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:48.659 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: If you were a government, and you were an authoritarian government.
00:43:49.680 --> 00:44:00.660 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Would you want the people that you oversee to wake up Consciously to who they are.
00:44:01.870 --> 00:44:02.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: No.
00:44:02.770 --> 00:44:04.340 Frank R. Harrison: Because then you couldn't control them.
00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:05.290 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:44:05.420 --> 00:44:13.289 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Take their own health, mental health, well-being, careers into their own hands? Would you really want that?
00:44:15.380 --> 00:44:22.750 Frank R. Harrison: So, crying shame, on different levels, depending on which country you're in, but it's kind of alarming what we're seeing here, so…
00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:27.180 Frank R. Harrison: I guess that would be just another show.
00:44:27.180 --> 00:44:32.179 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It would be, but that is… that is really it. The powers that be…
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.560 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Don't really want an entire country that wakes up.
00:44:37.790 --> 00:44:38.850 Frank R. Harrison: Incredible.
00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:44.999 Frank R. Harrison: All I can say is that, at least on Frank About Health, and in our country of TalkRadio.nyc.
00:44:45.600 --> 00:44:57.439 Frank R. Harrison: as well as on the expansion room, we want our audience and viewers to wake up to two key elements. Psychedelics work under proper guidance, and nutrition is key.
00:44:57.560 --> 00:45:04.530 Frank R. Harrison: And together, you can reach access to your soul and become more integrated going forward.
00:45:05.790 --> 00:45:11.850 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, I think that's my little commercial break disclaimer, or statement before we transition to the next segment, so…
00:45:11.850 --> 00:45:12.210 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: B.
00:45:12.210 --> 00:45:21.729 Frank R. Harrison: Everybody, please stay tuned as we close out the show and show everybody what Joey came up with in his kitchen. Alright, stay tuned, we'll be back.
00:46:22.110 --> 00:46:31.260 www.TalkRadio.nyc: You're listening to Talk Radio NYC at www.talkradio.nyc. Now broadcasting 24 hours a day.
00:46:51.690 --> 00:47:00.040 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. In this episode, we had a chance to really explore spirituality's impact on our mental health.
00:47:00.170 --> 00:47:13.000 Frank R. Harrison: Also, as she mentioned earlier in segment, I think it was 2, it affects our physical health, especially when the body doesn't know if it's from the external environment or from your thoughts.
00:47:13.170 --> 00:47:29.159 Frank R. Harrison: The bottom line is, is that in order, as I've said on every episode of Frank About Health, in order for you to have homeostasis, reach your body, mind, and spirit, and ultimately your soul, you have to own your healthcare.
00:47:29.260 --> 00:47:41.690 Frank R. Harrison: You can get the information or propaganda, and you can also take a look at what your doctor says, but at the end of the day, nobody has any decision-making power over what you should or shouldn't do, except yourself.
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:50.420 Frank R. Harrison: So, that means one thing I want to spend this final segment on is how you simply own your kitchen.
00:47:50.660 --> 00:48:03.740 Frank R. Harrison: Just own the food that you buy every week. And of course, prices are going up, and we know why, but figure out what is nutritious, even what can you cheat on, but more importantly.
00:48:03.850 --> 00:48:14.499 Frank R. Harrison: Drink lots of water, and just understand that any of the recipes that Joey has shown on Frank About Health or the expansion Room were for your healthcare.
00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:25.380 Frank R. Harrison: And it's a guide for all of you to take on those recipes yourself, with the support of AI, with the support of good menus, or programs, or diets, or whatever you're dealing with.
00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:34.310 Frank R. Harrison: But at the same time, to just know that when you're taking in even good foods, you're still giving yourself that high for your body.
00:48:34.620 --> 00:48:41.599 Frank R. Harrison: You know, and I do believe also in psychedelics. I did try cannabis. It made me gain so much weight, I decided not to do it anymore.
00:48:41.600 --> 00:48:47.470 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Did it give you the munchies?
00:48:47.470 --> 00:48:52.089 Frank R. Harrison: That's exactly why I gained so much weight. But especially during COVID, when we had nowhere to go.
00:48:52.090 --> 00:48:54.729 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Oh, except around the room.
00:48:54.730 --> 00:49:12.310 Frank R. Harrison: The other aspect was, is that I did see, it was for epilepsy, and I did see that I was on two pills. Prior to that. I now only have the one remaining pill that I still need to take. So it did have an impact. I haven't had a full-blown Grand Mall seizure since 2005.
00:49:12.310 --> 00:49:13.330 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Wonderful.
00:49:13.330 --> 00:49:21.469 Frank R. Harrison: I would say the cannabis did work for me, but when I'm now having a potential comorbidity of prediabetes or whatever else was having.
00:49:21.470 --> 00:49:21.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:49:21.940 --> 00:49:27.489 Frank R. Harrison: It's not really for me. That is totally fair. Exactly.
00:49:27.490 --> 00:49:31.960 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And, you know, psychedelics in general is not for everyone.
00:49:32.170 --> 00:49:32.800 Frank R. Harrison: Exactly.
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:44.590 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There are other ways to heal with, like, breathwork, holotropic breathwork, pairing yoga therapy with
00:49:44.660 --> 00:49:56.919 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mental health therapy, like, there are so many ways to get there, but it goes back to what you said. You have a choice to take your health into your own hands.
00:49:57.110 --> 00:50:03.320 Frank R. Harrison: That being said, though, do you think a lot of people don't make the choice, again, because they're not in touch with their spirit or their soul?
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:09.879 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely. I think that people have been lulled into the belief that they're white coat doctors.
00:50:10.790 --> 00:50:12.610 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Give them all the answers.
00:50:12.950 --> 00:50:30.100 Frank R. Harrison: Right, right. I unfortunately must admit, I've heard my mother say, I need to obey my doctor, and I go, no, you don't. No. I have had many fights with my doctor, especially with all the research I've done. If they say something that sounds out of left field, I say, okay, you're not the doctor for me, thanks for your time. Exactly.
00:50:30.100 --> 00:50:33.170 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly. That's exactly right. Yeah.
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:45.419 Frank R. Harrison: But before we actually sign off for the evening, you know Joey has been on both Frank About Health as well as on your show. We had that almond-encrusted salmon recipe. Did you ever have a chance to explore.
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:49.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We did. We did, indeed, and it was good.
00:50:49.410 --> 00:50:56.120 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, so did you follow the recipe guidelines that he presented on the show, or was it your own way, with your own ingredient?
00:50:56.120 --> 00:51:00.809 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: like, most of it. I think we probably changed one thing.
00:51:00.970 --> 00:51:03.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But I don't remember what that one thing was.
00:51:03.730 --> 00:51:19.390 Frank R. Harrison: It's okay, that's alright. If anything, he definitely served as a guide, and when we close out the show, I'm gonna show everybody the recipe that we started in the beginning of the show, because he then describes how this has been his…
00:51:19.390 --> 00:51:31.519 Frank R. Harrison: mode of connecting spiritually with God, as well as with his own desire to do his own form of caregiving, which is coming from a spiritual perspective. And he's also a very good cook.
00:51:31.520 --> 00:51:41.690 Frank R. Harrison: You know, so, that being said, I think what I'm hoping to do, maybe the two of us together, is we can feature him more often, especially in topics
00:51:41.690 --> 00:51:44.960 Frank R. Harrison: That the food fits the issue being discussed.
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:45.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.109 Frank R. Harrison: So that's something we can figure out going forward, but…
00:51:48.250 --> 00:51:52.720 Frank R. Harrison: I would have to say, what was your takeaway
00:51:52.740 --> 00:52:10.320 Frank R. Harrison: from his approach, did you see a fit between the way you look at your practice in terms of the holistic view? And if you did, could you give more of a description that maybe people can understand more when they see him making those recipes?
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.420 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I think, for me, it's…
00:52:13.550 --> 00:52:21.850 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the connection to food and what I talk about with my clients, that their care starts with
00:52:22.190 --> 00:52:27.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Their food, really, because food affects mental health.
00:52:29.200 --> 00:52:43.539 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: At the basic level, food affects mental health. And so, the way he was talking about how the ingredients have certain qualities and vitamins, minerals, and nutrients.
00:52:43.540 --> 00:52:54.470 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And what they affect in the body and in the brain was very key, because, yeah, if you go into a grocery store and you shop the perimeter, right?
00:52:54.520 --> 00:52:57.520 Frank R. Harrison: You're getting nutrition-densed.
00:52:57.740 --> 00:52:59.130 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: dense foods.
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:02.930 Frank R. Harrison: Yes. And it's when we go to the high-processed…
00:53:03.370 --> 00:53:07.300 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Foods that come in boxes and packages.
00:53:07.490 --> 00:53:08.240 Frank R. Harrison: Made in America.
00:53:08.240 --> 00:53:19.729 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: go… yeah, exactly, that starts to go astray. Now, I am not saying we cannot partake at all in those things, but they can't be the majority of our diet.
00:53:19.730 --> 00:53:31.439 Frank R. Harrison: Correct, correct, exactly. And I think, if anything, it's like, not only is the person making the food realizing that the ingredients are for their health.
00:53:32.010 --> 00:53:40.900 Frank R. Harrison: Spiritual, mental, whatever, but it's the act of creating the food that probably gives a dopamine rush.
00:53:40.900 --> 00:53:41.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:49.450 Frank R. Harrison: Like, we talked about music artists, so obviously they love to sing, so some people just love to cook. So, what would you say about
00:53:49.530 --> 00:54:04.350 Frank R. Harrison: people who are chefs or cooks, and they know they're doing it for health purposes, but are really driven by that goal of obtaining the same kind of pleasure that anyone who's doing caregiving. What would you say about that type of mindset?
00:54:04.600 --> 00:54:14.980 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, that's giving in love. That's… that's doing it in love. Like, you do… I have a t-shirt that I love to wear in the summertime. It says, Do all things in love.
00:54:16.720 --> 00:54:29.640 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and when we cook, you know, we all have the experience of going to our grandma's or our Nona's and having a meal, because you know, grandma cooked in love. It tastes different.
00:54:30.050 --> 00:54:32.650 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I'm just going to a restaurant.
00:54:33.710 --> 00:54:44.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: No, it's the infusing with the love and compassion. If we always start from there, we are stepping always into our spirituality.
00:54:45.510 --> 00:54:59.470 Frank R. Harrison: That was a perfect way to answer that question, because in that one sentence, not only did you cover your practice and Joey's practice, but you also paid tribute to Linda and her intention with the 40 episodes that she did.
00:54:59.470 --> 00:55:05.939 Frank R. Harrison: With the A train to Sedona, and I know she's gotta come back when she's ready, but we'll be there waiting for her.
00:55:05.940 --> 00:55:06.890 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:55:06.890 --> 00:55:09.199 Frank R. Harrison: Like, like the family we've become, right?
00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:10.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly.
00:55:11.120 --> 00:55:25.930 Frank R. Harrison: Well, we're about to show that final recipe and sign off. I want to thank you again, Siobhan, for being here again on Frank About Health. At the same time, I want to tell everybody that next week's guest on Frank About Health is Deepak Sani.
00:55:25.930 --> 00:55:34.020 Frank R. Harrison: who wants to be a centenarian. He was also referred by Linda Marsonico, and nutrition does play in that, you will see.
00:55:34.020 --> 00:55:35.550 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It does indeed!
00:55:35.550 --> 00:55:47.539 Frank R. Harrison: Especially with lots of spinach, and lots of greens, healthy greens, will keep you living longer. We will let the final segment, which is Joey with the final recipe and his comment on spirituality.
00:55:47.540 --> 00:55:56.390 Frank R. Harrison: end the show. Jesse, just let it ride, and then we will sign off. Thank you, everybody, for watching this episode, and we will see you all next week.
00:55:57.310 --> 00:55:57.960 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Phew.
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.529 Frank R. Harrison: Let me just share the screen, and we will sign off.
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.009 Frank R. Harrison: everybody, as we end this episode of Frank About Health… I only covered.
00:56:30.020 --> 00:56:33.890 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: What I promised last week, the iron-rich…
00:56:34.060 --> 00:56:46.709 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: Mediterranean bowl, but Siobhan and I discussed throughout the episode about spirituality and healthcare, and I'm closing this episode out with not only the finished…
00:56:46.710 --> 00:57:06.040 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: product, but also Joey's final spiritual statement on what brings him to make such meals. Well, to answer your prior question, when I cook, I'm not cooking or making a meal,
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:31.169 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: just for anyone. I'm making a meal, channeling peace, love, and healing into every ingredient that I use in a way that connects me to God, turning nourishment into prayer and caregiving into a sacred act. Ladies and gentlemen, not only have I been motivated for those same intentions, especially on every episode.
00:57:31.170 --> 00:57:36.790 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: of Frank About Health, but I've now motivated to have this very meal.
00:57:36.790 --> 00:57:47.289 Audio shared by Frank R. Harrison: I hope you do the same, because it's at the top of the hour, and dinner time. See y'all next week, right here on TalkRadio.nyc. Good night.
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