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EPISODE SUMMARY:
This episode serves as the launch of Frank About Health's Voices of Disruption Campaign
Anshar Seraphim returns to Frank About Health to help me launch my first ever Voices of Disruption Campaign where over the next 12 episodes I will feature guests that have developed strategies, solutions and advocacy programs to combat the upcoming healthcare changes we will all be facing in 2026.
Anshar and I will discuss several key programs that we have seen get dropped, cut or just plain cancelled and the kinds of innovations that we can all develop to obtain resolution to the gaps that have been created in our healthcare system.
I will provide insight into the type of guests that will be coming up throughout the season to help emphasize those solutions for all of us to get on board with.
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Frank R. Harrison opens a new season of Frank About Health, introducing it as part of his “Voices of Disruption” campaign, focused on addressing crises in healthcare and government. He discusses the growing unaffordability of insurance, the impact of recent policy changes, and his plan to feature guests who represent resilience and innovation amid systemic disruption. Frank highlights his guest, Anshar Seraphim, an advocate for the neurodivergent community who overcame autism-related challenges to become a speaker and leader. Seraphim shares his personal story of late diagnosis, medical struggles, and eventual advocacy for others on the spectrum, emphasizing the need for understanding diverse support needs. Together, they explore the intersection of health, science, and social justice, warning against the growing commercialization of medicine and the loss of genuine innovation.
In the second segment, Frank and Anshar discuss systemic issues in healthcare, politics, and education, emphasizing the growing polarization in society. Anshar highlights how proposed government budget cuts could harm disabled individuals, reduce healthcare access, and burden hospitals financially. They also critique how capitalism has distorted healthcare and education, leading to inequality and poor societal outcomes. The discussion concludes with both agreeing that open, nuanced dialogue is essential—people must move beyond partisanship to find common ground on critical issues like healthcare, justice, and ethics.
Frank opens the third segment by addressing the challenges of a polarized society and government shutdown during the open enrollment period for healthcare. He promotes his YouTube documentary Being Frank for a Healthy Future, which highlights his advocacy work with Hilton Hotels before political shifts disrupted their collaboration. The discussion then turns to how individuals can build community-led healthcare solutions instead of relying on government systems. Anshar adds that society often votes based on morality rather than evidence, drawing parallels to prohibition and emphasizing the need for open dialogue, scientific exploration, and support for disruptive ideas in healthcare. Together, they call for renewed collaboration, critical thinking, and a commitment to public good over profit and division.
Frank closes the first episode of his Voices of Disruption campaign by previewing upcoming guests who will explore solutions to healthcare and financial challenges facing Americans. Anshar introduces us to Dr. Tom Ingenyo, who bridges ancient medicine and modern science, and discusses society’s contradictions — from environmental harm caused by palm oil to the lack of honest dialogue across political divides. The two emphasize the need for open-mindedness, evidence-based discussion, and unity in addressing crises like healthcare costs and education inequality. Harrison reaffirms his mission to use future episodes to propose actionable solutions and invites audiences to engage with his ongoing movement through Frank About Health and his YouTube documentary Being Frank for a Healthy Future.
00:00:53.050 --> 00:01:08.319 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome to a new season of Frank About Health. This particular season is special in the following way. It is also serving as my first ever Voices of Disruption campaign. Let me be more specific what I mean by campaign.
00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:17.730 Frank R. Harrison: We are seeing a crisis in our country that has been magnetized over the last nine days. That's a government shutdown. That's point one.
00:01:17.970 --> 00:01:34.400 Frank R. Harrison: Point two, all of us who are familiar with Obamacare, or familiar with Medicare and Medicaid, or have group insurance, or have regular individual health insurance, which I actually think doesn't get offered as frequently as it used to about 10 years ago.
00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:52.810 Frank R. Harrison: Are facing double or sometimes triple the premiums, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, unaffordability to keep your policy if it's a choice between that and actually eating, or paying rent, or paying any kind of lifestyle needs, like transportation, or…
00:01:52.870 --> 00:02:04.190 Frank R. Harrison: Better yet, what if you're unemployed, and you're now no longer gonna qualify because you have a work requirement that the big, beautiful bill that became on… became law on July 4th…
00:02:04.340 --> 00:02:14.069 Frank R. Harrison: 2025, is actually getting ready, as Phyllis Quinlan had indicated on Frank About Health, to be a nightmare in the beginning of 2026.
00:02:14.290 --> 00:02:29.530 Frank R. Harrison: Now, I'm dedicating this particular episode with my special guest, Anshar Serafim, because he is an example who has faced… he's been on the show a couple weeks ago, and he has faced disruption in his life, but he mastered it.
00:02:29.600 --> 00:02:44.440 Frank R. Harrison: He manifested it into something that, in my view, is a brilliance, a gift, an art form, that he is able to function within our increasingly limited society, but at a level in my lifetime.
00:02:44.450 --> 00:03:03.509 Frank R. Harrison: that I have not seen on most people who have been living with the spectrum. Now, I live with epilepsy, and I thought, okay, great. I am neurodivergent, as Anshar is as well, but I've always believed that when you are dealing with a stigma, that does more of the damage than actually the condition itself.
00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:14.260 Frank R. Harrison: But Anshar has proven to rise not just above any stigma, but above the limitations that he was probably believing to have, especially in his younger years.
00:03:14.730 --> 00:03:21.260 Frank R. Harrison: Therefore, he is the kickoff guest for this campaign, which means that my 12 guests…
00:03:21.370 --> 00:03:28.130 Frank R. Harrison: on this campaign will be targeted disruptors, people who have solutions.
00:03:28.170 --> 00:03:41.140 Frank R. Harrison: to the problems that we are all going to be facing collectively as a nation in January, but simultaneously, for anyone going through such limitations now, I will have solutions. One such person everyone must remember.
00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:45.130 Frank R. Harrison: is Marshall Rungi. That's his actual pronunciation.
00:03:45.130 --> 00:04:03.529 Frank R. Harrison: The author of The Great Healthcare Disruption, although this was written when we were not faced with governmental disruption, it was all medical, and also about things that were very productive, mRNA vaccines, artificial intelligence for healthcare, dealing with genome testing, all of the things that we all need.
00:04:03.530 --> 00:04:09.939 Frank R. Harrison: But, as you'll hear from Anshar throughout the show, there'll be discussions of research funding being cut.
00:04:10.140 --> 00:04:21.280 Frank R. Harrison: Cures for cancer being in question, not to mention some of the other disruptions that have been going on in both of our lives, and what we are at risk of seeing in the near future.
00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:30.830 Frank R. Harrison: So, I guess I've just also given you all my disclaimer. I am providing the facts, and if you don't like them, this show is not for you.
00:04:30.940 --> 00:04:47.089 Frank R. Harrison: Alright? However, I am saying to those, my loyal listeners and viewers who've been watching me for over 4 years now, that if you really want to get the insight, not just on this show, but in the next 11 weeks afterwards, of what I, along with my team of
00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:56.429 Frank R. Harrison: professional colleagues that I have aligned with, are going to come up with a product solution in the near future, but more on that throughout the season.
00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:05.319 Frank R. Harrison: And that being said, I want to first introduce Anshar Serafim, who is a advocate for the neurodivergent community.
00:05:05.320 --> 00:05:19.960 Frank R. Harrison: He has also spoken at the United Nations, and he has done a lot of work for both TalkRadio.nyc, as well as for other individuals who are in need of direction using his skill set, especially in the area
00:05:19.960 --> 00:05:28.650 Frank R. Harrison: of neurodivergence. So, that's a plug, by the way, Anshar, for Ask Anshar 5.0, unless you're at 6.0 and I just don't know it yet.
00:05:28.940 --> 00:05:30.569 Anshar Seraphim: Thanks for having me back, Frank, it's a lot of fun.
00:05:30.570 --> 00:05:36.369 Frank R. Harrison: Same here, same here. So, by all means, why don't you expand upon your background, if any… if I left out anything?
00:05:36.370 --> 00:05:44.789 Anshar Seraphim: Well, my, my journey started with me being, 75% or so nonverbal, with autism.
00:05:45.030 --> 00:05:49.860 Anshar Seraphim: But I came from that generation before… we really…
00:05:50.000 --> 00:06:05.119 Anshar Seraphim: you know, it came into the forefront. You know, most people who knew about autism and didn't have it directly in their lives or family members, you know, would reference things like Rain Man, you know, it's not really something that, I mean, the diagnosis for even Asperger's didn't come out.
00:06:05.230 --> 00:06:21.940 Anshar Seraphim: Until, like, 2 years before I graduated high school, so I… I kind of missed a generation of… you know, because the average age of diagnosis now is 4 years old. So, you know, to think of how different my life would have been if I would have received my diagnosis 15 years earlier.
00:06:22.060 --> 00:06:26.369 Anshar Seraphim: Which goes to show just how much things can change.
00:06:26.370 --> 00:06:26.880 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:31.499 Anshar Seraphim: I remember I was talking with Marlo Thomas over at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
00:06:31.760 --> 00:06:35.610 Anshar Seraphim: And just the… the level of treatment
00:06:35.760 --> 00:06:48.850 Anshar Seraphim: for, like, acute lymphoblastic leukemia, and for, you know, a lot of the things that they're treating has just dramatically changed. We're talking about differences, like, going from a 5% survival rate to a 95% survival rate.
00:06:49.440 --> 00:06:49.910 Frank R. Harrison: Amazing.
00:06:49.910 --> 00:06:58.479 Anshar Seraphim: And the older treatments would cause horrible side effects, you know, be crippling. I mean, they would survive, right? If they, if they, you know, they survived the treatment, then they would…
00:06:58.580 --> 00:07:16.039 Anshar Seraphim: be able to thrive, you know, and be able to overcome the disease, but some of them are left with… I even got to meet and speak with a few of them. Of course, they were still incredibly grateful, you know, because they got to be part of that cutting-edge research that not only saved other people's lives, but it saved their life, too. They just…
00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.879 Anshar Seraphim: had to… had to have some more disadvantages with it, and I related a lot to that.
00:07:20.020 --> 00:07:22.110 Anshar Seraphim: When I got to…
00:07:22.490 --> 00:07:26.719 Anshar Seraphim: my 20s, you know, because I found out that I had autism in the Navy.
00:07:26.980 --> 00:07:35.299 Anshar Seraphim: You know, I had free healthcare with the military, and, you know, I'm sure we'll talk about that, but, that was how I ended up finding out.
00:07:36.440 --> 00:07:53.929 Anshar Seraphim: that I had a developmental disability, and in fairness, there were tons of signs, but it's very difficult when there are… so many symptoms are not only variegated for different people on the spectrum, but also can be mistaken for a lot of different things, and I did have a lot of the…
00:07:54.120 --> 00:08:02.640 Anshar Seraphim: the developmental problems that went along with it. One of my eyes was turned all the way in, I had really severe strabismus. I had to have it corrected with surgery.
00:08:02.770 --> 00:08:03.600 Frank R. Harrison: Mmm.
00:08:03.610 --> 00:08:11.820 Anshar Seraphim: Lots of other, you know, coterminous, or sorry, comorbid medical conditions that can go along with autism, but it's important
00:08:12.010 --> 00:08:25.760 Anshar Seraphim: you know, in me… me wanting to advocate for neurodivergent people, that I do point to the fact that people on the spectrum do have a really wide range of different support needs. And, you know, I'm blessed enough that
00:08:26.320 --> 00:08:35.549 Anshar Seraphim: you know, maybe I was on that tipping point of being non-verbal and able to push myself, but there are a lot of people who don't have that option.
00:08:35.710 --> 00:08:36.770 Anshar Seraphim: And,
00:08:36.870 --> 00:08:49.170 Anshar Seraphim: you know, depending on how you look at the statistics, you know, and statistics are a funny thing, you know, so you have to take that with a grain of salt, but I… I think it's a fairly solid statistic. 85% of autistic adults are unemployed.
00:08:49.560 --> 00:08:52.270 Anshar Seraphim: Just because of the fact that
00:08:52.950 --> 00:09:00.350 Anshar Seraphim: You know, there's a lot of different disenfranchising things that can happen, and a lot of people will mistake their symptoms for character traits, too, which is really frustrating, so…
00:09:00.350 --> 00:09:00.930 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:09:01.570 --> 00:09:04.400 Frank R. Harrison: And I can identify that with epilepsy,
00:09:04.510 --> 00:09:19.939 Frank R. Harrison: when I first came to talkradio.nyc, I say this all the time, I was dealing with the stigma, and just trying to erase it. That was my focus, but little did I realize that I was just trying to say, hey, my voice does count, I do exist, and of course, this platform has expanded beyond that, and now
00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:33.160 Frank R. Harrison: I have guests like yourself, or even people who have solutions that are rarely heard or taken seriously, for whatever the perceptual reason is. It's just, people need to… to own their healthcare and get clarity and truth.
00:09:33.180 --> 00:09:39.150 Frank R. Harrison: And that is unfortunate that, along with the other disruptions that are going on, a lot of just…
00:09:39.150 --> 00:09:54.210 Frank R. Harrison: people making perceptual judgments is not allowing for the truth to come out in as frank of a way as I would like, you know? So, that being said, I… the title of this episode is Voices of Disruption, and it is my Voices of Disruption campaign.
00:09:54.240 --> 00:10:11.260 Frank R. Harrison: So, that being said, have you found in your development and redevelopment, I should say, that you found yourself best to enhance your life by making sure you were associating with truth-tellers? You mentioned Marlo Thomas, so have you been able to speak to others that have helped you along your journey?
00:10:11.790 --> 00:10:17.320 Anshar Seraphim: Yeah, you know, you find a lot of inspiration, sometimes in funny places. I think that…
00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:20.869 Anshar Seraphim: There's a… a lot of merit
00:10:21.040 --> 00:10:28.010 Anshar Seraphim: say, I've been really blessed in my life. Not only did I have an opportunity to overcome adversity, but I…
00:10:28.770 --> 00:10:38.820 Anshar Seraphim: I've gotten to do a lot of really cool things, and one of them was, like, visiting the, the actual facilities at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, and getting to partner up with, with ALSAC.
00:10:38.900 --> 00:10:40.890 Frank R. Harrison: Yes. With Lebanese charities, and…
00:10:40.950 --> 00:10:56.019 Anshar Seraphim: We got to present texts to them, you know, over the course of the campaign I was doing with Kate Jewelers with them. We raised, like, $40 million for them, doing everything from the plush to, to doing outright donations, building a cafeteria for them.
00:10:56.540 --> 00:11:00.049 Anshar Seraphim: You know, they're, they're right on the cutting edge, because they've got…
00:11:00.210 --> 00:11:12.790 Anshar Seraphim: technology that would just blow your mind, that they're doing amazing things with. There's a, they have a particle accelerator there that's just for being able to help facilitate care for pediatric cancers. They have a…
00:11:12.790 --> 00:11:21.199 Anshar Seraphim: I got to speak with a Japanese engineer and researcher who was, developing the, the equipment, because we were… their newest wing was there for being treatment.
00:11:21.510 --> 00:11:21.860 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah.
00:11:21.860 --> 00:11:23.770 Anshar Seraphim: They had, proton beam therapy.
00:11:23.870 --> 00:11:30.049 Anshar Seraphim: Which is kind of like, it's like targeted radiation therapy, except what happens is, is the,
00:11:30.680 --> 00:11:33.379 Anshar Seraphim: The energy passes harmlessly through the body.
00:11:33.590 --> 00:11:34.810 Anshar Seraphim: unless…
00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:45.139 Anshar Seraphim: essentially touches another perpendicular beam. And if it does, then that area where they intersect is what becomes irradiated. So, if you can
00:11:46.010 --> 00:11:55.050 Anshar Seraphim: Basically, you know, sedate the child, and you have to time it very carefully with their breathing and their, you know, the respiration, circulatory system, all of that, but you…
00:11:55.450 --> 00:12:04.390 Anshar Seraphim: you're able to target and do, like, deep brain tissue. It's like radiation therapy, but anywhere inside of your body without having to affect all of the tissue around it.
00:12:05.520 --> 00:12:15.310 Anshar Seraphim: And just things like that, innovations like that. I got to speak to their head genetics researcher. You know, St. Jude was really foundational in developing a chimeric antigen receptor.
00:12:15.450 --> 00:12:22.419 Anshar Seraphim: a CAR-T therapy, you know, the idea of using, like, a viral capsid to deliver
00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:37.299 Anshar Seraphim: genetic information to help reprogram the human genome with, you know, we have genetic precursors. And what's really cool with that is not just that… that primary modus of treating pediatric cancer, but
00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:52.189 Anshar Seraphim: just like NASA, when we went off and started to explore space, and we got so many incredible inventions and innovations that we weren't expecting from pursuing that, it's been the same thing. You know, during their mapping of the Human Genome Project.
00:12:53.630 --> 00:13:02.799 Anshar Seraphim: when they were looking for one thing, they would end up finding another. They ended up finding, like, two different cures for blindness and deafness that were genetically related.
00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:18.149 Anshar Seraphim: Or at least we're able to isolate, you know, the genetic components of that. And that's one of the cool things about experimentation and exploration, and some of that is, I feel, died in the modern era. Science is kind of moving
00:13:18.620 --> 00:13:20.710 Anshar Seraphim: To a for-profit industry.
00:13:21.090 --> 00:13:31.430 Anshar Seraphim: Which is really scary. It's a scary thing. It's not just medicine. It's science, it's education, it's technology, and… STEM.
00:13:31.830 --> 00:13:35.199 Anshar Seraphim: When you try to incentivize that kind of thing with,
00:13:35.490 --> 00:13:46.169 Anshar Seraphim: with capitalism, it can create some really evil trends. I mean, a pharmaceutical company, for example, can make a whole lot more money out of treating an illness than they can by curing it.
00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:53.309 Anshar Seraphim: You know, we have to take a look at the social contract and start asking some hard questions, and I'm sure we'll get a chance to do that today.
00:13:53.990 --> 00:13:58.709 Anshar Seraphim: Yes, because we're about to take our first break, but I mean, it's very interesting. I think…
00:13:58.900 --> 00:14:04.309 Frank R. Harrison: You know, when I look at the Great Healthcare Disruption title, this meaning changes every month.
00:14:04.420 --> 00:14:22.610 Frank R. Harrison: I know when I first started talking with Marshall Rungi, I have to get used to calling him that, he basically was just talking about all the newness that we were going to be seeing, especially with the rise of artificial intelligence, which I know you can relate to, especially in looking at your neurodivergent portal, but…
00:14:22.710 --> 00:14:26.310 Frank R. Harrison: This now has taken on the meaning… the meaning, rather.
00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:35.880 Frank R. Harrison: of the other way around. We're disrupting progress because of capital needs, or narcissistic privilege, or whatever might be perceived in the public eye.
00:14:35.880 --> 00:14:49.799 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, we'll actually get into that in the second section. So, ladies and gentlemen, please continue to watch this episode of Frank About Health on talkradio.nyc, and on our social media, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Twitch. We'll be back in a few.
00:16:31.730 --> 00:16:40.549 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. Okay, Anshar, help me understand that even though it is clear, we need to tell my audience
00:16:40.710 --> 00:16:50.400 Frank R. Harrison: or visually or audio-wise, depending on how they're receiving the show, that the awareness of healthcare disruption is very important now at this time. However.
00:16:50.580 --> 00:16:55.979 Frank R. Harrison: Three fundamental gaps are recurring, especially towards the year end.
00:16:56.130 --> 00:16:58.680 Frank R. Harrison: One is the cuts in research funding.
00:16:58.900 --> 00:17:18.709 Frank R. Harrison: Another is the perception that people have of the neurodivergent community, because you mentioned earlier, people can judge it as a character trait, rather than really looking deeply into the person and respecting their difference. And then there was something that you were talking about in terms of microplastics. I think you and I spoke offline about…
00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:19.349 Anshar Seraphim: Oh, yeah.
00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:21.459 Frank R. Harrison: Not even related, or is that just a separate.
00:17:21.460 --> 00:17:29.699 Anshar Seraphim: I mean, it's tangentially related. I mean, we can certainly talk about that. You know, I think, it's… it's important to discuss
00:17:29.860 --> 00:17:35.709 Anshar Seraphim: Whichever side of the political fence you're on, you know, some of the implications of
00:17:35.850 --> 00:17:38.570 Anshar Seraphim: This, this big, beautiful bill.
00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:57.700 Anshar Seraphim: You know, everything from having national work requirements, which can really harm people who have disabilities that are trying to not live off the system and are trying to contribute, but maybe they can't work 80 hours a month, maybe their way of doing that is different, or maybe they have to do
00:17:57.810 --> 00:18:00.419 Anshar Seraphim: Do work that is…
00:18:00.740 --> 00:18:10.500 Anshar Seraphim: much more staggered, as far as time is concerned, in order to be able to do it with their challenges. And, I think that trying to… trying to punish people for…
00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:27.519 Anshar Seraphim: and take away their healthcare and their support from them trying to put in effort so that they're not freeloading off of the system. Because many of us, and I could speak for myself, but I mean, it would not be a difficult thing for me to go… because I wasn't able to get my driver's license until I was almost 40.
00:18:27.650 --> 00:18:36.099 Anshar Seraphim: Because of my sensory issues. There's all kinds of challenges. You know, transportation is a huge challenge when you have autism, so…
00:18:36.780 --> 00:18:40.109 Anshar Seraphim: The notion of punishing people
00:18:40.690 --> 00:18:59.959 Anshar Seraphim: who… who could be on disability but choose not to. That's just strange. And then, to go into, you know, I think there's independent project synopses that are, talking about a trillion dollars in federal health program cuts, with, like, 12 million people fewer insured over a decade.
00:19:00.040 --> 00:19:02.219 Anshar Seraphim: Heavily concentrated in Medicaid.
00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.460 Frank R. Harrison: Yep.
00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:13.129 Anshar Seraphim: you know, the ACA marketplace coverage is way less affordable, as those subsidies unwind and premium tax credit rules change, several
00:19:13.300 --> 00:19:18.090 Anshar Seraphim: You know, premium spikes are gonna happen, we're gonna have coverage loss, there's gonna be…
00:19:18.530 --> 00:19:24.430 Anshar Seraphim: states having to move their budgetary dollars just to blunt the impact of it. And…
00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:31.849 Anshar Seraphim: With growing up, what, it's gonna be over $200 billion more on uncompensated care over the next 10 years, with, like.
00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:42.449 Anshar Seraphim: It's like… and that's gonna be shouldered by the hospitals and the physicians that are trying to help. That's $63 billion for hospitals and $24 billion for physicians. I think that…
00:19:42.730 --> 00:19:49.200 Anshar Seraphim: talking about The fact that the government Is supposed to exist…
00:19:49.560 --> 00:19:53.980 Anshar Seraphim: So that the things that people are not self-motivated to do.
00:19:54.790 --> 00:20:01.370 Anshar Seraphim: that those things are taken care of for the society. It's an important thing to talk about, because whether…
00:20:01.470 --> 00:20:03.480 Anshar Seraphim: You want to take the position that
00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:14.219 Anshar Seraphim: one kind of care or support or another is a form of, you know, socialism or something. I don't think anyone thinks of socialism when they take out their library card.
00:20:14.510 --> 00:20:15.360 Frank R. Harrison: Correct.
00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:19.129 Anshar Seraphim: You know, there are important benefits
00:20:19.320 --> 00:20:25.850 Anshar Seraphim: And, equity that needs to happen when we're trying to get equal protection.
00:20:26.040 --> 00:20:35.070 Anshar Seraphim: And to pull apart some of that underpinning, you know, I know that there is a desire to,
00:20:35.850 --> 00:20:39.630 Anshar Seraphim: to take things away from people that are freeloading. And that's valid.
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:48.550 Anshar Seraphim: I think the thing that people don't understand in this bipartisan landscape that we have is that…
00:20:48.780 --> 00:20:54.219 Anshar Seraphim: When you try to take all of the viewpoints and turn them into an all-or-nothing machine.
00:20:54.370 --> 00:20:58.030 Frank R. Harrison: You just create two groups of people that are pointing at one another.
00:20:58.030 --> 00:21:11.870 Anshar Seraphim: And then they're not able to meet in the middle and have the discourse that's necessary to talk about the things that they do need to compromise on. And there has to be some gray area, and when everything is polarized into black and white.
00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:15.540 Anshar Seraphim: it… it doesn't really help. You know, this,
00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:23.460 Anshar Seraphim: this whole concept of eroding care out of… and, I mean, you look at, like, what, like, England?
00:21:23.780 --> 00:21:25.300 Anshar Seraphim: the UK.
00:21:25.820 --> 00:21:27.889 Anshar Seraphim: In the wake of World War II.
00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:32.869 Anshar Seraphim: They were able to… Come up with their national healthcare system.
00:21:33.040 --> 00:21:38.650 Anshar Seraphim: Yeah. And it has its flaws, just like every other country's, you know, program… any program or system has its flaws.
00:21:38.780 --> 00:21:45.320 Anshar Seraphim: But… There is a social contract there, and when you put capitalism
00:21:45.580 --> 00:21:51.689 Anshar Seraphim: into a system that's supposed to provide care for people, when you live in a country where
00:21:52.040 --> 00:22:11.799 Anshar Seraphim: getting an illness by no fault of your own, or, you know, getting hit by a drunk driver, or, you know, getting a bad diagnosis can literally bankrupt you and send you into the poorhouse. You know, having a burst appendix can happen to anyone. Have you seen the cost of, you know, an appendectomy lately?
00:22:11.930 --> 00:22:12.650 Anshar Seraphim: you know.
00:22:12.650 --> 00:22:14.689 Frank R. Harrison: It's probably, what, $50,000 or more?
00:22:14.690 --> 00:22:18.910 Anshar Seraphim: Yeah, it's, it's like… It's like the opposite of winning the lottery.
00:22:19.420 --> 00:22:35.350 Anshar Seraphim: It's… it's a really crazy idea that something that could happen to any one of us, at almost any age, could literally bankrupt us, destroy our credit, all of that, simply because we've tried to monetize healthcare in the way that we have. And it…
00:22:35.830 --> 00:22:40.800 Anshar Seraphim: it just creates a lot of really hard effects, and I don't think that…
00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:46.720 Anshar Seraphim: In the wake of us having a pandemic, that…
00:22:46.890 --> 00:22:51.330 Anshar Seraphim: That should be the social signal that we need less money.
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:52.930 Frank R. Harrison: Right. And care.
00:22:53.090 --> 00:22:58.390 Anshar Seraphim: Especially when we're spending so much more money on military spending.
00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:04.159 Anshar Seraphim: Then… Most other countries all combined, most of which are our allies.
00:23:04.530 --> 00:23:04.990 Frank R. Harrison: You know.
00:23:04.990 --> 00:23:13.030 Anshar Seraphim: I don't… I don't understand the sense in all of it, but there is a secondary effect, and I wanted to talk about that with you, because I think it really matters.
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.650 Frank R. Harrison: Sure.
00:23:13.650 --> 00:23:14.430 Anshar Seraphim: And…
00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:24.049 Anshar Seraphim: it's that the way that we're thinking academically and scientifically is starting to change, too. You know, we had, we've had generations now
00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:30.520 Anshar Seraphim: Of people who came up through school just trying to get the piece of paper and get out, because school is so expensive now.
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:32.920 Frank R. Harrison: And they're all given multiple choice.
00:23:33.090 --> 00:23:34.660 Anshar Seraphim: exams, and…
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:42.369 Anshar Seraphim: You know, what part of the country they live in, and what county or district. Depends, you know, the school budgets dependent on that.
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:45.780 Frank R. Harrison: And it… none of that makes any sense, because it's…
00:23:45.780 --> 00:23:55.609 Anshar Seraphim: And this is one of the things I talked about when I wrote the white paper on education for the octopus movement when we were doing the think tank, you know, because we all had to put our ideas together, and I'm the one that, you know, was synthesizing them.
00:23:56.810 --> 00:24:07.009 Anshar Seraphim: This notion of budgets for education, and gerrymandering all of these districts, and saying, oh, well, you know, you live in this zip code, so, you know, you get less resources, and…
00:24:07.310 --> 00:24:12.460 Anshar Seraphim: It costs your government so much more money for you not to be educated.
00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:29.199 Anshar Seraphim: It literally is… you're more reliant on the system, you have higher rates of incarceration, you're on more public service programs, you contribute less to GDP. I mean, these aren't opinions, these are facts. Right. So the cost of education is not spending the money.
00:24:29.530 --> 00:24:34.170 Frank R. Harrison: So to pull things away from, you know, things in the public trust.
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:42.480 Anshar Seraphim: Like, education and healthcare, which we've developed this colored idea of from capitalizing healthcare in this country.
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:57.439 Anshar Seraphim: We need to meet more in the middle on that, and realize that there's… it doesn't matter what your political position is, when anyone can have a health problem and have it cost them, you know, $100,000. It just doesn't make any sense. It's nonsensical.
00:24:57.610 --> 00:25:03.190 Anshar Seraphim: But it affects research science, too, and that was one of the things I wanted to touch on, and I know that we'll get to it.
00:25:03.470 --> 00:25:12.270 Anshar Seraphim: Well, I mean, but it's kind of sad. Everything you've just outlined is literally how it's been shaping or reshaping, especially since July 4th, but…
00:25:12.270 --> 00:25:20.160 Frank R. Harrison: The thing is, is that we are in a bicameral legislature, two-party system, the independents, which there are many of.
00:25:20.630 --> 00:25:32.130 Frank R. Harrison: Who caucus with either side, depending on their political motivation of… during election season, is one aspect of things, but when it comes to your healthcare, which is ubiquitous, everyone needs healthcare.
00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:42.119 Frank R. Harrison: Even if they're physically healthy and they just want to get their annual physical, that makes you think that to be independent means to own outright.
00:25:42.320 --> 00:25:52.579 Frank R. Harrison: Your financial needs, your medical needs, the right specialist, the right hospital system, and we are not living in the type of system that allows you to self-advocate.
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:58.480 Frank R. Harrison: And that's why most people are just blindsided by the fact that, okay, all these changes are occurring.
00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:04.489 Frank R. Harrison: But that means you need to default to your own inner resources, and most people just don't know how to do it.
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:17.709 Frank R. Harrison: So how would you qualify that? I mean, I think… well, better yet, before you answer that question, the way I've qualified it is being an epileptic individual 40 years or more at this point.
00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:20.280 Frank R. Harrison: I've always had to be self.
00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:33.280 Frank R. Harrison: aware, so that I know, am I having a seizure? Am I having an aura? Am I not having a good day that I can get hit by a car and not even know it? So, that just made me learn to be hypervigilant.
00:26:33.620 --> 00:26:47.320 Frank R. Harrison: about anyone's behavior towards me, because I didn't know if it was triggering me, or if it was actual real threat. So, by nature, the way I do my work, the way I manage my budgets, is I'm always thinking healthcare first.
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:55.089 Frank R. Harrison: That, believe it or not, seems to be the predominant mode of thinking we all have to engage in at this point, especially with the uncertainty in 2026.
00:26:55.160 --> 00:27:09.650 Frank R. Harrison: Would you… and to, therefore, to the question, would you classify that as being an independent thinker, or is it something in response to defending yourself against what looks like to be a consolidation of, social support?
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:16.460 Anshar Seraphim: Well, I think the reality that we all have to agree on is that… when…
00:27:16.580 --> 00:27:22.409 Anshar Seraphim: For better or for worse, these two political parties have risen to primacy.
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:28.190 Anshar Seraphim: And The problem with that is that it's… it doesn't make for a free election.
00:27:29.420 --> 00:27:33.440 Anshar Seraphim: Because if you've got one person gaming the system.
00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:37.630 Anshar Seraphim: And everyone else doesn't game the system, it's the only way to make it equal.
00:27:37.970 --> 00:27:41.360 Anshar Seraphim: So, the second that you don't have
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:47.549 Anshar Seraphim: You know, other political parties that are doing… because when you run a caucus, you're basically saying.
00:27:47.830 --> 00:27:54.050 Anshar Seraphim: We're gonna focus and concentrate all of our votes and band together so that we can just pick one candidate.
00:27:54.620 --> 00:28:02.400 Anshar Seraphim: Instead of, you know, going by individuals and the issues and all of that, we're gonna all rally behind a single person so that they have the best chance.
00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:03.750 Frank R. Harrison: of winning.
00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:06.029 Anshar Seraphim: So you're kind of holding a pre-election.
00:28:06.150 --> 00:28:14.469 Anshar Seraphim: You're circumventing the election system. That's why we haven't had a viable third-party candidate since, like, the 70s.
00:28:14.470 --> 00:28:15.460 Frank R. Harrison: It's incredible.
00:28:15.460 --> 00:28:27.349 Anshar Seraphim: Well, I mean, you know, it's been since the 1970s when one of them got, like, 5% of the vote. So, you know, obviously, with it being in the way that it is now for 50 years, we have to accept the fact that
00:28:27.760 --> 00:28:32.050 Anshar Seraphim: we're gonna be divided on party lines. It's just the way that it is now.
00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:34.220 Anshar Seraphim: But if that's the case…
00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:34.860 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah.
00:28:35.230 --> 00:28:40.129 Anshar Seraphim: we've got to acknowledge, moving into this generation of social media and AI, that…
00:28:40.710 --> 00:28:50.909 Anshar Seraphim: we're moving more and more to this idea of finger-pointing, and us and them. And, you know, a person whose ideas you do not agree with
00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:54.430 Anshar Seraphim: Who you think is a reprehensible person.
00:28:54.560 --> 00:29:00.910 Frank R. Harrison: That person could still have an amazing insight on something that could change your life. People don't exist in shades of black and white.
00:29:00.930 --> 00:29:10.900 Anshar Seraphim: Correct. And having the inability to discuss ideas, you know, most people would never believe this, but I'm actually conservative. I'm a conservative libertarian.
00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:15.890 Anshar Seraphim: So… But… It's about…
00:29:16.170 --> 00:29:26.620 Anshar Seraphim: the issues. You know, have a discussion about the issues. Oh, you got an opinion about the death penalty, okay. Well, whether or not we agree on whether or not a person can do something.
00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:31.800 Anshar Seraphim: that warrants… Someone dying for it.
00:29:32.050 --> 00:29:48.929 Anshar Seraphim: You know, that's an ethical discussion that we could have, but if you and I can both acknowledge, let's say we're on opposite sides of that issue, if we can both acknowledge that mistakes happen in the legal system all the time, that there are people that literally spend 20, 30 years in prison and then are later vindicated with DNA evidence.
00:29:49.040 --> 00:29:55.100 Anshar Seraphim: That there's literally a project to try and liberate people who have been falsely incarcerated.
00:29:55.710 --> 00:30:04.869 Anshar Seraphim: issues like mistaken identity or fabricated evidence. There were forensic scientists who, criminologically, in labs, were fabricating evidence.
00:30:05.270 --> 00:30:11.430 Anshar Seraphim: That if that can happen, Then that means that it is possible for an innocent person
00:30:11.470 --> 00:30:28.180 Anshar Seraphim: to be found guilty of a crime. Correct. And in a system where an innocent person can be found guilty of a crime, whether or not you and I agree on whether or not it's good to kill someone because of an offense that they've done, can we agree that killing an innocent person is wrong?
00:30:28.610 --> 00:30:46.109 Anshar Seraphim: Because if we have a system where mistakes happen, and it's a punishment you can't take back, we have to be able to have that conversation, and if you and I are so polarized by the fact that we have different opinions about the first part that we can't even talk about the second part, then discourse dies.
00:30:46.910 --> 00:31:05.270 Frank R. Harrison: That being said, this is the perfect segue. I was about to make two announcements related to what you said, but I think we're already over the time, so I will make those announcements when we come back to the third segment, because one of them you already know, and that is the documentary, and the other is just, in general, what I have been alluding to in terms of this campaign.
00:31:05.270 --> 00:31:07.909 Frank R. Harrison: So, we'll be back in a few. Stay tuned.
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:57.609 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. I'm glad I had Anshar on this show to kick off this campaign, because he said it like it is. We are living in polarized time, we have a government shutdown right now. Guess what? During the open enrollment period for your renewal of Medicare, or Obamacare, or…
00:32:57.610 --> 00:33:14.690 Frank R. Harrison: whatever kind of care you're getting from your employer. Gee, I guess we can't apply this year. I wonder why. Maybe I'll take what I have and watch the premiums double. Yes, that is a sarcastic response, but I'm saying it like it is. That being said, I want everyone to go into my YouTube channel.
00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:34.399 Frank R. Harrison: and look at being frank for a Healthy Future. That is the documentary that I worked with Hilton Hotels a year ago, thanks to Emily Shulman and Jessica Pethel… Jessica Sarawan, I apologize. I just basically am pointing out that that was at a time
00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:49.590 Frank R. Harrison: when we were looking at growth in healthcare support and advocacy, especially with that hotel chain. And after Election Day, they pulled the plug on the deal because they didn't believe in what our new president was going to advocate for. So, I was disrupted
00:33:49.710 --> 00:34:04.020 Frank R. Harrison: by a cause not related to healthcare, and so I've turned it around for everyone who is watching this show right now and beyond, like, during the next 11 weeks, to watch the documentary to see why I created Frank About Health.
00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:11.069 Frank R. Harrison: See the guests that have been on, see the clips that were done, even see the overview of Hilton Hotels, and understand
00:34:11.210 --> 00:34:29.820 Frank R. Harrison: that this is the ideal perspective that Anshara was alluding to, that we all work together as a community to help each other out and advocate for each other. And that is what, at this point, based on the polarized system we have, we have to start within ourselves and lead that mission
00:34:30.050 --> 00:34:38.689 Frank R. Harrison: to all of our family, friends, and colleagues, out. Not depend on the government in, because if that's your mindset, you're in for a rude awakening.
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:46.890 Frank R. Harrison: Now, that's one point I wanted to make, which is to watch that documentary, which is live now on YouTube. The second.
00:34:47.360 --> 00:35:03.759 Frank R. Harrison: is going into what you and I have been talking about in terms of this campaign. The campaign is to have individual guests, whether they've been on the show before, or maybe people that you know of that can really swing this message home before January 2026.
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:08.500 Anshar Seraphim: Oh, I got an amazing guest for you, actually. I'll talk to you after. I have a great idea for someone who might appear.
00:35:09.060 --> 00:35:24.410 Frank R. Harrison: wow, you've got me excited, so you know what? Save it for segment 4. But the thing is, is that… the thing is, is that all of the guests that come involved in this series, this 12-episode series, including yourself, obviously, are gonna help
00:35:24.540 --> 00:35:40.929 Frank R. Harrison: build our own community going forward into the new year. We're gonna be a default solution, at least in our local areas for starters, and hopefully even bigger as time moves on. And Hilton can be a part of it. They don't have to be the driver like they were going to be.
00:35:40.930 --> 00:35:50.729 Frank R. Harrison: But, that being said, what I wanted to talk about with you, Anshar, is that in that vein of polarization, if we're taking things into our own hands.
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:59.549 Frank R. Harrison: Do you have an approach from your own neurological way of thinking as to how people can manifest
00:35:59.620 --> 00:36:17.079 Frank R. Harrison: their vision of what would be a collective healthcare process, like, almost like you're introducing a new project, or a new product to a series of investors, or students even, if you're in college making a presentation. What would be your way, your approach, to be able to
00:36:17.430 --> 00:36:25.259 Frank R. Harrison: help individuals look at the craziness and make something out of it. That's what I'm trying to, bring out in this segment.
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:29.260 Anshar Seraphim: Well, I think the first thing that we have to talk about
00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:32.650 Anshar Seraphim: Is… is how votes and political support work.
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.080 Anshar Seraphim: You know, the idea of…
00:36:35.080 --> 00:36:52.779 Frank R. Harrison: Let's issue one disclaimer. This is not a political show, but healthcare and politics are merging at this point, so be aware, if you don't agree with the views, they are not the views of TalkRadio.nyc or of Frank About Health, but they are part of this conversation on disruption.
00:36:52.890 --> 00:36:53.700 Frank R. Harrison: Okay.
00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.359 Anshar Seraphim: Good, good for the disclaimer.
00:36:57.590 --> 00:36:59.760 Anshar Seraphim: There is a problem, I feel.
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:00.800 Frank R. Harrison: Okay.
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:09.220 Anshar Seraphim: where… People vote their morality, And voting for your morality.
00:37:09.740 --> 00:37:12.740 Anshar Seraphim: Can be a problem, and… Right.
00:37:12.980 --> 00:37:13.650 Anshar Seraphim: You know…
00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:14.240 Frank R. Harrison: bias.
00:37:14.700 --> 00:37:19.709 Anshar Seraphim: I don't want to get into politics, I just want to point something out.
00:37:19.720 --> 00:37:21.039 Frank R. Harrison: Sure. And that's that…
00:37:21.130 --> 00:37:26.390 Anshar Seraphim: I think everyone can agree That drinking alcohol can be a bad thing.
00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:28.270 Anshar Seraphim: And…
00:37:28.270 --> 00:37:29.829 Frank R. Harrison: Can be. You know.
00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:35.980 Anshar Seraphim: If we all agree that it's a bad thing and that we don't approve of it, We could…
00:37:36.340 --> 00:37:37.719 Anshar Seraphim: Make the 18th Amendment.
00:37:38.970 --> 00:37:39.330 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:37:39.330 --> 00:37:44.690 Anshar Seraphim: The question has to be, when we're making laws and policy to serve the society.
00:37:45.670 --> 00:37:48.439 Anshar Seraphim: Whether or not making something illegal
00:37:49.040 --> 00:37:52.279 Anshar Seraphim: Actually helps the society or hurts it?
00:37:52.510 --> 00:38:10.930 Anshar Seraphim: Because when we… when we did that, and we had the… we had Prohibition, and we had gangsters with Tommy guns, because we… you know, they didn't have an ability to go to an authority figure when a dispute arose. We had a… we had a dangerous product, people were making moonshine in their basements, and… and burning their houses down, and making a poisonous product that was killing people.
00:38:10.990 --> 00:38:17.489 Anshar Seraphim: You had speakeasies, and… You know, because when you make something a crime, you make criminals.
00:38:17.720 --> 00:38:18.640 Frank R. Harrison: And…
00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:23.339 Anshar Seraphim: That should serve as a, you know, a 100-year-old example.
00:38:23.870 --> 00:38:27.529 Anshar Seraphim: Of why just voting for your morality
00:38:27.930 --> 00:38:43.810 Anshar Seraphim: doesn't make sense. You have to think about what actually makes sense for a society where people exist in it that don't live their lives the way that you do, and that you don't agree with. And it doesn't matter where your morality is at.
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:50.109 Anshar Seraphim: You know, if you agree, for example, that, you know, people are gonna have a medical procedure that you don't agree with.
00:38:50.220 --> 00:38:58.989 Anshar Seraphim: And you start to get into this place where you're like, well, I don't want my tax dollars to go to this person making this decision that I don't approve of.
00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:02.170 Anshar Seraphim: It's kind of like saying you're gonna disown your kid.
00:39:02.330 --> 00:39:05.759 Anshar Seraphim: If they're gonna make a decision that you don't agree with.
00:39:05.980 --> 00:39:06.940 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:39:07.150 --> 00:39:21.780 Anshar Seraphim: There's a problem with that attitude, because it doesn't… if we all agree that we're in this society together, whether or not we agree on certain moral issues, and you want to pull away governmental support or legality.
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.020 Anshar Seraphim: For those things, just based on that position.
00:39:25.100 --> 00:39:43.099 Anshar Seraphim: that's not necessarily good for the society. And I think prohibition stands as an example of that, that even something that we all can unilaterally agree can be a bad thing can be an even worse thing to make illegal, or to change the way that we support it, as far as laws are concerned. So…
00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:48.730 Anshar Seraphim: It should enter us into the discussion of whether we're liberal or conservative or whatever.
00:39:49.030 --> 00:40:07.449 Anshar Seraphim: what significance it has on a society when we change the law and we change support for things. And we have to be able to have conversations about that impact. And if we can't… if you ever talk to someone, and you ask them the question.
00:40:08.120 --> 00:40:12.049 Anshar Seraphim: Well, what evidence would you have to hear to change your mind?
00:40:13.470 --> 00:40:19.950 Anshar Seraphim: Whatever the position is, if they can't give you an answer, then it's not an idea, it's a belief.
00:40:21.120 --> 00:40:30.229 Frank R. Harrison: Correct, but it's also safe to say that the way things have been redesigned this past year is that you could be given the facts and still led not to believe in them.
00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:37.610 Anshar Seraphim: Well, and that's… that's the problem, is that we have to look at the evidence, right? We have to look at the evidence of…
00:40:37.890 --> 00:40:47.249 Anshar Seraphim: of the quality of care that people are getting. You have to look at the evidence of the social contract of whether or not the laws and policies that we're putting into place are helping or harming people.
00:40:47.350 --> 00:41:01.269 Anshar Seraphim: Whether they single out the people that you do or don't like or not. And I think that we have to be able to make space for one another, and one of the problems is that we're moving into this society of echo chambers.
00:41:01.290 --> 00:41:02.130 Frank R. Harrison: That…
00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:06.050 Anshar Seraphim: On the internet, it is so easy to just hit the little red axe button.
00:41:06.180 --> 00:41:09.199 Anshar Seraphim: And then you don't have to listen to that person's opinion anymore.
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.659 Frank R. Harrison: And it's killed discourse, and I think…
00:41:11.660 --> 00:41:18.529 Anshar Seraphim: If anyone wants a life lesson, listen to a talk radio show that's, like, 50, 60, 70 years old.
00:41:18.900 --> 00:41:37.110 Anshar Seraphim: And you'll hear people from all over the political spectrum, different jobs, different walks of life, and they will sit down and discuss ideas. Oh, you know, I don't agree with that, but I do agree with this, and, you know, I can't support that position, but I do like that… I do like your point of view on this, that it's possible
00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:44.899 Anshar Seraphim: for you to take different stances on different issues with people that you have other fundamental disagreements with. And when we've moved into this new age.
00:41:45.230 --> 00:41:57.059 Anshar Seraphim: Of whether or not we find one thing about a person reprehensible and we cancel them, and we do that to people and ignore them, and basically continue this party line all the way down through all rational discussion.
00:41:57.060 --> 00:41:58.000 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:41:58.040 --> 00:42:11.279 Anshar Seraphim: we're not able to serve the public trust that way. It just becomes a tug-of-war, and we end up taking extreme positions to both ends to try to compensate for the extremes of the other position, and then it makes both sides wrong.
00:42:11.520 --> 00:42:13.300 Anshar Seraphim: And that's a problem.
00:42:13.430 --> 00:42:15.489 Anshar Seraphim: It's, it's a real problem.
00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:32.730 Frank R. Harrison: Absolutely. I mean, when you said a talk radio show, I know you didn't mean talkradio.nyc, because I think… No, no, I'm talking about 50, 70-year-old radio shows where they were having discussions about really important issues. So that was, like, what, 1010 Wins, or was that another radio show that…
00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:36.430 Anshar Seraphim: No, we're talking about radio shows back in the 1950s, 1960s.
00:42:36.430 --> 00:42:38.500 Frank R. Harrison: Are they available on SiriusXM.
00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:42.790 Anshar Seraphim: Oh, you can pull them up on YouTube. You can watch those shows anytime that you want.
00:42:43.070 --> 00:42:51.320 Anshar Seraphim: Those are the old days of radio. Peter Laurie, and yeah, anyway. You're missing out if you don't know who Peter Laurie is.
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.779 Frank R. Harrison: Oh, no, I heard him.
00:42:52.780 --> 00:43:11.589 Anshar Seraphim: But yeah, that's the problem, and that has creeped into academia and into science as well. And when we have this educational system that we do, where we churn people out, and we're charging this ridiculous amount of money to get degrees, and we're measuring all of them with multiple choice questions.
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:21.630 Anshar Seraphim: We're creating an idea of… Academic and intellectual development that's centered around money, For a problem, for one.
00:43:21.850 --> 00:43:25.790 Anshar Seraphim: But the other problem is it becomes very difficult
00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:33.009 Anshar Seraphim: to get research grants. It becomes very difficult for important research to happen, and I…
00:43:33.120 --> 00:43:52.220 Anshar Seraphim: you know, that's one of the reasons I put an open call for research on my LinkedIn profile. I gave the entire experimental paradigm, methodology, the results, why it's important, because there's, there's new research coming out about tetrahydrobiopterin, a BH4.
00:43:52.330 --> 00:43:53.620 Anshar Seraphim: And there's…
00:43:53.620 --> 00:43:54.110 Frank R. Harrison: What is that?
00:43:54.110 --> 00:44:07.540 Anshar Seraphim: BH4 is the enzymatic cofactor that governs dopamine. It governs dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine synthesis, all things that are very, very important with neurodivergence.
00:44:07.540 --> 00:44:08.000 Frank R. Harrison: Autism.
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:11.640 Anshar Seraphim: And, and then DRD4 is, is a genetic
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:29.880 Anshar Seraphim: part of a genetic polymorphism for dopamine production as well. And the dynamics between those two, they end up being confounding variables to one another. It's one of the things that possibly could be one of the reasons that we're having the neuroplastic changes that we are with developmental disabilities like autism.
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:33.460 Anshar Seraphim: You know, we're so busy arguing.
00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:48.100 Anshar Seraphim: about whether this or that causes autism, and, you know, selling people with ADHD on, you know, giving them amphetamine salts and, you know, all these other kinds of treatments, because we make so much money off of it.
00:44:48.200 --> 00:44:50.590 Frank R. Harrison: That we've stopped looking for.
00:44:50.590 --> 00:45:10.020 Anshar Seraphim: the actual causal factors with solid scientific research. And that's going into a lot of different domains. You know, it's possible right now, this is one of the other protocols that I had devised, you know, to be evaluated by the scientific community, to be able to take gut bacteria.
00:45:10.240 --> 00:45:23.600 Anshar Seraphim: from, from animals, you know, herd grazers, and… because it… basically, when you're in a biome, every… all the material in that biome is constantly recycled through the digestive tract of animals. So, if you can get
00:45:23.730 --> 00:45:31.520 Anshar Seraphim: The common gut bacteria, inside of animals to be able to break down, microplastics.
00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:41.179 Anshar Seraphim: Then you can literally use the digestive tract of all the animals that are on the planet to make microplastics go away and to not end up, you know, in human organs.
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.669 Anshar Seraphim: But is there money in it?
00:45:45.140 --> 00:46:00.699 Anshar Seraphim: Right? Is that a great way to make money? No. So, how is that research going to be funded if we're starting to move academia and scientific development and advancement into this direction where everything has to be profitable? How do we serve the public good?
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.539 Anshar Seraphim: I think that there are some really important questions that we have to ask.
00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:16.330 Anshar Seraphim: About supporting science, supporting exploration, supporting new ideas, supporting creativity, supporting disruptive voices in healthcare.
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.939 Anshar Seraphim: Because the way that we're going to advance
00:46:20.290 --> 00:46:28.660 Anshar Seraphim: is not by doing things exactly the way that we've done them before. And we're getting more and more into these siloed methods of thinking.
00:46:28.790 --> 00:46:29.560 Anshar Seraphim: that…
00:46:29.810 --> 00:46:43.229 Anshar Seraphim: Everyone just lives in states of right and wrong, and whether or not something's profitable. And it's not going to take us into any positive place as a society when it comes to things that foster the public good, is really my point.
00:46:44.060 --> 00:46:56.529 Frank R. Harrison: And it's eloquent. I mean, that's devoting Segment 4 to the future of this show, especially during the next 11 weeks, because, you know, you already know, you and I together will actually predetermine who are the guests.
00:46:56.530 --> 00:47:06.470 Frank R. Harrison: That makes sense. Not to mention some of the returning guests, because, you know, I couldn't have gotten to this stage of Frank About Health without people like you, as well as people like Marshall Runge and
00:47:06.510 --> 00:47:17.609 Frank R. Harrison: Not to mention Phyllis Quinlan and some other people that we will have coming back over the next season, but, I'm interested to know who that guest that you want to bring onto the show as well, and…
00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:31.500 Frank R. Harrison: And just, remind everybody again about the documentary, because if anything, at this point, it's more of a retrospective of where I came from, and what I'm trying to do going forward, but what we hopefully will unfold together in the next 12 weeks.
00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:48.039 Frank R. Harrison: will be new and exciting for all of us in 2026. Okay, so everybody, stay tuned for the conclusion of this episode of Frank About Health, all about voices of disruption and the campaign that will ensue, right here on talkradio.nyc and on all of our socials. We'll be back in a few.
00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:28.559 Frank R. Harrison: So, hey everybody, I'm back here to wrap up this particular episode, which is only the beginning. This is episode 1 of 12 for my Voices of Disruption campaign.
00:49:28.630 --> 00:49:34.840 Frank R. Harrison: I can tell you right now that the next two weeks of October will feature
00:49:34.850 --> 00:49:46.280 Frank R. Harrison: And I don't know which order, because I have to get them all booked. It will feature Marshall Runji, it'll feature Deepak Sani, and more than likely, I will either have Jose Dennis come back on Nutrition.
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:56.959 Frank R. Harrison: Or I will even speak to Siobhan Laurice. I will be bringing Phyllis Quinlan in on November, and I also, am looking to, bring back
00:49:57.140 --> 00:49:59.800 Frank R. Harrison: Jennifer Griggs.
00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:10.319 Frank R. Harrison: who said on the documentary, Being Frank for a Healthy Future, that I'm a badass. Well, I'm only taking that to the degree that I am trying to do my part
00:50:10.510 --> 00:50:18.339 Frank R. Harrison: to, come up with a solution for the financial hardship that a lot of us, especially with chronic illness, are going to go through. She…
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:37.810 Frank R. Harrison: had indicated that with coming with forgiveness is dignity, and trying to preserve our dignity, and being able to forgive what was done wrong to us, accept the loss for what it was, a forgotten past, but more importantly, to take ownership of your path going forward with your lessons learned. So…
00:50:37.850 --> 00:50:53.800 Frank R. Harrison: She's someone that I wouldn't call a disruptor, per se, but someone who really gets to the core of what we all need to live and learn, mirroring and echoing a lot of what Anshar said in the last segment, in terms of how we get these conversations going, so we can all unite in the common good.
00:50:53.880 --> 00:51:04.600 Frank R. Harrison: But now, Anshar, I leave it up to you to tell me that, the name of that guest that you think would be of value to the Voices of Disruption campaign and to Frank About Health.
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:07.060 Frank R. Harrison: After you unmute.
00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:13.160 Anshar Seraphim: His name is Dr. Tom Ingenyo, and he has a doctorate in Chinese medicine.
00:51:13.430 --> 00:51:15.190 Anshar Seraphim: But he's a white guy.
00:51:15.190 --> 00:51:15.840 Frank R. Harrison: Excellent.
00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:28.259 Anshar Seraphim: And his quest is to learn how ancient traditions of medicine can be rooted in actual empirical science and how they can benefit the modern world.
00:51:28.470 --> 00:51:32.940 Anshar Seraphim: Because you'll… our modern understanding of science
00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:40.370 Anshar Seraphim: has evolved from a lot of ancient precursors, and a lot of those ancient precursors had validity to them. You know, everything from…
00:51:40.410 --> 00:51:58.589 Anshar Seraphim: us giving, you know, willow bark to people for pain. You know, we've made a lot of advances into modern medicine as a result of studying ancient medicine, but that process, like so many others, has stopped. So, I think that there's something there, you know.
00:51:59.040 --> 00:52:02.500 Anshar Seraphim: I think that it is… telling.
00:52:03.550 --> 00:52:09.710 Anshar Seraphim: that… we're living in a kind of willful ignorance in the West.
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:19.009 Anshar Seraphim: You know, we'll… we'll carry protest signs and protest the… the industrial factory that's pumping smoke up into the chimney… out of its chimney into the air.
00:52:19.210 --> 00:52:23.339 Anshar Seraphim: But we'll do it while sipping, you know, Starbucks coffee cups.
00:52:23.510 --> 00:52:27.359 Anshar Seraphim: That have, hydrogenated palm oil in them.
00:52:27.830 --> 00:52:28.730 Anshar Seraphim: And…
00:52:29.050 --> 00:52:30.360 Frank R. Harrison: Ed…
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:42.880 Anshar Seraphim: it's crazy, because they're literally burning down the Sumatran rainforest with, you know, Sumatran elephants and tigers and orangutans and all of that, literally living in the forest, alive, and we burn it to the ground with them in it.
00:52:43.180 --> 00:52:48.309 Anshar Seraphim: And they've changed all the laws in Sumatra so that they can do that, to be able to support
00:52:48.520 --> 00:52:50.330 Anshar Seraphim: U.S,
00:52:50.450 --> 00:53:01.429 Anshar Seraphim: interest in palm oil, and we put it into all kinds of products. It's all over our shelves, and the human body can't break it down as fast as it does something like butter.
00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:05.700 Frank R. Harrison: And there's a reason that it gives so much shelf life to everything.
00:53:05.700 --> 00:53:09.110 Anshar Seraphim: Because it's not that much different molecularly from plastic.
00:53:09.220 --> 00:53:14.550 Anshar Seraphim: You know, it literally will hydrogenate it and boil it at super high temperatures with aluminum.
00:53:14.830 --> 00:53:20.800 Anshar Seraphim: And it's… so it's semi-solid at room temperature, and then they use that as a shortening, vegetable shortening.
00:53:21.020 --> 00:53:30.220 Anshar Seraphim: And it… it builds up inside of our… our circulatory system, and it causes, heart disease, stroke, and cancer.
00:53:30.660 --> 00:53:34.069 Anshar Seraphim: And… What are the three major…
00:53:34.260 --> 00:53:38.609 Anshar Seraphim: Actuarial causes of death in the United States, heart disease, stroke.
00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:48.219 Anshar Seraphim: and cancer. And on top of that, burning down that Sumatran rainforest has a larger impact on… On…
00:53:48.410 --> 00:53:53.130 Anshar Seraphim: the environment than the entire industrial complex of the United States.
00:53:53.550 --> 00:53:54.320 Anshar Seraphim: put together.
00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:55.730 Anshar Seraphim: And yet.
00:53:56.030 --> 00:54:06.010 Anshar Seraphim: We'll be sipping that cup of Starbucks that's made with that stuff while protesting the chimney that's in front of us, because the chimney that's in front of us is in front of us, and we like our Starbucks.
00:54:06.290 --> 00:54:10.910 Anshar Seraphim: So… There has to be… a point.
00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:14.270 Anshar Seraphim: At which sanity enters this equation.
00:54:14.370 --> 00:54:15.410 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah. And…
00:54:15.410 --> 00:54:28.919 Anshar Seraphim: it doesn't matter what side of the political fence you're on. It's… we've got to be able to discuss ideas, we've got to be able to question the way that we've always done things. You know, when I was doing that paper with education, with the movement, with the octopus movement.
00:54:29.140 --> 00:54:34.699 Anshar Seraphim: There was this feeling in educators where they can't change the system.
00:54:35.690 --> 00:54:41.930 Anshar Seraphim: And, oh, well, you know, but we're making to do with what we have, and we've got these budgets, and we have to do these test standards, and…
00:54:42.140 --> 00:54:48.160 Anshar Seraphim: And yet, when COVID happened, We snapped our fingers.
00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.400 Anshar Seraphim: And we changed the entire educational system to adapt.
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:52.340 Anshar Seraphim: So…
00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:55.730 Frank R. Harrison: As soon as your own mortality is faced, that's when everybody bands together.
00:54:55.730 --> 00:55:10.920 Anshar Seraphim: The idea that we would think that a temporary pandemic is enough of an emergency that we can snap our fingers and change the system, but 54% of Americans reading at a 6th grade level is not an emergency, where we need to snap our fingers and do something different.
00:55:11.050 --> 00:55:23.939 Anshar Seraphim: This is the kind of cognitive dissonance that we're living in now, when we live in a polarized society that is not thinking about the public investment of the good, that you need to make space for people that you don't agree with.
00:55:24.090 --> 00:55:28.719 Anshar Seraphim: And I would encourage people to ask themselves that question.
00:55:28.820 --> 00:55:31.009 Frank R. Harrison: What is it that would change my mind?
00:55:31.770 --> 00:55:35.530 Anshar Seraphim: You know, whatever your position is, what would change my mind?
00:55:35.830 --> 00:55:42.809 Anshar Seraphim: What evidence would I have to see? Even if it's something ridiculous, you know, oh, they'd have to prove it causes cancer or something, then it would change my mind. Well, okay.
00:55:42.930 --> 00:55:45.480 Anshar Seraphim: That's fine, but at least your mind can be changed.
00:55:45.610 --> 00:55:47.700 Anshar Seraphim: Because if your mind can't be changed.
00:55:48.470 --> 00:55:51.589 Anshar Seraphim: Irrespective of whatever data you're given.
00:55:52.040 --> 00:55:55.230 Anshar Seraphim: You're… you're a dangerous person at the voting ballot.
00:55:56.850 --> 00:56:03.889 Anshar Seraphim: And that's something that we've… we've really got to talk about, as a society. We've got to start practicing.
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:08.680 Frank R. Harrison: Having difficult conversations that we… with people that we don't agree with.
00:56:08.810 --> 00:56:17.190 Anshar Seraphim: So that we can reason with one another. Because if we lose that ability, and then we're… we've been stuck in a, you know, a bipartisan…
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.059 Anshar Seraphim: Society for 50 years.
00:56:20.200 --> 00:56:23.100 Anshar Seraphim: There's only one place that that can lead.
00:56:23.500 --> 00:56:27.250 Anshar Seraphim: So, find the people that you disagree with.
00:56:27.510 --> 00:56:35.809 Anshar Seraphim: And have a conversation with them. Find common things that you have in common, find positions that you need to talk about.
00:56:36.050 --> 00:56:40.370 Anshar Seraphim: And be willing to set down the spear…
00:56:40.850 --> 00:56:48.849 Anshar Seraphim: And… and hold the pen. If you can't do that with people you don't agree with, then how are we going to be able to make policy?
00:56:49.330 --> 00:56:51.040 Anshar Seraphim: without revolution.
00:56:51.170 --> 00:56:54.379 Frank R. Harrison: Yes. To be able to serve the community. And until that happens.
00:56:54.380 --> 00:56:57.959 Anshar Seraphim: The only thing that we can do is try to come up with a way
00:56:58.110 --> 00:57:08.449 Anshar Seraphim: To be able to financially compensate for what's going on in healthcare, and how… what we're all going to do about the fact that our taxes are going up, you know, 73%,
00:57:08.540 --> 00:57:23.650 Anshar Seraphim: If you make less than $40,000 a year. And at the same time, our money's losing value from inflation, and at the same time, the amount of payment that we're going to have to do, the amount of support for healthcare is going to go down. What are we going to do
00:57:24.060 --> 00:57:30.610 Anshar Seraphim: About this crisis. And if we don't find a way to be able to support Healthcare.
00:57:31.080 --> 00:57:34.430 Anshar Seraphim: That is a terrifying prospect.
00:57:34.600 --> 00:57:36.790 Frank R. Harrison: Correct. Correct. And at least…
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:48.660 Frank R. Harrison: You and I both know that there's something in the works that we can definitely, hopefully, anchor down a support mechanism going forward. But, from the perspective that you also indicated about having
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:56.989 Frank R. Harrison: people who you disagree with. Is that your take on the type of guests that should be on this Voices of Disruption campaign going forward?
00:57:58.990 --> 00:58:01.000 Frank R. Harrison: I mean, it'd be a mix and match.
00:58:01.270 --> 00:58:03.370 Anshar Seraphim: And that's… that's the thing, is I…
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:14.280 Anshar Seraphim: It's… it's people like Dr. Tom. It's people who are willing to go against the status quo, ask hard questions, be willing to be wrong.
00:58:14.860 --> 00:58:19.999 Anshar Seraphim: be like, hey, you know, I'm trying to bring 2,000, 3,000-year-old medicine.
00:58:20.370 --> 00:58:31.300 Anshar Seraphim: into the modern world. Some of those ideas are gonna be based on nonsense, or spiritual beliefs, or God knows what, and some of it is gonna have crazy
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:34.320 Anshar Seraphim: You know, implications for modern science.
00:58:34.630 --> 00:58:37.649 Anshar Seraphim: Is there a person who's willing to be wrong?
00:58:38.640 --> 00:58:49.560 Anshar Seraphim: to be able to find out what's right. That's what science is. It's being willing to be falsifiable, and in a society where we exist in states of right and wrong.
00:58:49.890 --> 00:58:50.360 Frank R. Harrison: Yeah.
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:59.029 Anshar Seraphim: We've got to support research science that can be wrong, and isn't going to generate a profit. And we have to have a different attitude if we want to make that happen.
00:58:59.860 --> 00:59:10.469 Frank R. Harrison: Well, that being said, we're about to end the show. Anshar, thank you again for giving your depth and breadth of thought and reasoning and insight into what we're going to be doing here on Frank About Health.
00:59:10.490 --> 00:59:20.920 Frank R. Harrison: For the next 11 weeks after this episode. Ladies and gentlemen, if you remember, Vicki Mizell was on my season finale a couple weeks ago, and she said that I was in the middle of a movement. Well…
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:36.549 Frank R. Harrison: Yes and no, but it became more so of a movement when the government shut down on the 1st of October. So you will be seeing that movement and my potential solution over the next 11 weeks. Please stay tuned to Frank About Health during that time frame.
00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:56.190 Frank R. Harrison: I want to get more participation from my viewing audience, so then one way I ask all of you to at least get history on this show, if you haven't even seen it until today, please look at the YouTube channel, search on Google if you can't find it. It is my own personal YouTube channel, where I am housing the documentary, Being Frank for a Healthy Future.
00:59:56.190 --> 01:00:04.009 Frank R. Harrison: And even though it had its day in the eyes of Hilton, it now has a day in the eyes of yourself.
01:00:04.130 --> 01:00:16.570 Frank R. Harrison: Therefore, that being said, I will continue to be frank about health, especially the next 12 weeks, as we get ready for a new financial methodology that is being inflicted upon us, and hopefully our own
01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:24.570 Frank R. Harrison: independent rebuttal that Anshar alluded to. Thank you again, Anshar. Thank you, Jesse, behind the scenes. Thank you to Sam Leibowitz, always.
01:00:24.630 --> 01:00:39.140 Frank R. Harrison: for all of your support, and I do owe you an email to describe what is going on, because I think it is something that TalkRadio.nyc will also benefit from. Alright, that all being said, see you all next week. Alright, thanks again. Bye-bye.
01:00:39.730 --> 01:00:40.580 Frank R. Harrison: By Anchar.
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