This week on The Expansion Room, we explore psilocybin and mental health integration through a spiritual lens. We discuss the history of psilocybin, the unique challenges in bringing psychedelic healing to the community, and the role of integration in making this work sustainable and transformative. Whether you’re curious about microdosing, mental health benefits, or the spiritual dimensions of psychedelics, this episode will inspire reflection and possibility.
This week my special guests are Jared Edmonds and Reggie Bucksell, founders of The Living Sacrament a sacred spiritual community that recently received federal protections as a psilocybin church. They will share their personal journeys into psychedelics and their groundbreaking work bringing sacred healing, as an expansive practice, to the community.
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During the first informative segment Shervon introduces us to Psilocybin, a naturally occurring psychedelic compound found in certain types of mushrooms. She then goes on to explain the history and ancient roots of psychedelic therapy, and how it was used prominently in religion, namely that of indigenous people, and Christians.
In the second segment Shervon asks Jared and Reggie about their more personal experiences with Psilocybin, why they started practicing, and what drives them to do the work they do with psilocybin. Reggie then tells us about his first time practicing, and how he vividly remembers the experience. Jared rounds out the segment by sharing how Reggie introduced him to Psilocybin therapy, and how he was at first skeptical of the effects but has since experienced the positive effects himself
The third segment of the episode Jared and Reggie tell us more about the project they started, and who all have attended their sermons. Reggie shares how there is no specific demographic of people who partake in Psilocybin therapy, and how they have helped people as old as 81 connect with their spirit, and begin inner healing.
Shervon, Reggie and Jared bring everything together in the final segment by talking about the differences in using Psilocybin in a more sacred or spiritual practice vs that of as a “for fun drug” They also mention how having someone that's not trained in sitting in on a Psilocybin therapy session can completely ruin both the experience and potentially your relationship with the person that sat in with you.
00:01:09.370 --> 00:01:13.840 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Hello, and welcome back to the expansion room!
00:01:14.100 --> 00:01:20.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I'm your host, Siobhan Larisse, and this week we're going to be talking about a topic near and dear to my heart.
00:01:20.510 --> 00:01:31.699 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Psychedelics, but more importantly, psilocybin, and how psilocybin can be integrated into your mental health care, but also
00:01:31.710 --> 00:01:42.199 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: talking about it from a spiritual lens, or a spiritual perspective. And today's guest, I'm happy to be joined by,
00:01:42.360 --> 00:01:44.009 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Two guests.
00:01:44.010 --> 00:02:02.779 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Reggie Buxell and Jared Edmonds, both are the founders of the Living Sacrament here in my area, in the DC, Maryland area, and it is a psilocybin church that has recently achieved federal protections.
00:02:02.780 --> 00:02:18.859 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: as a sacred mushroom spiritual community. And so, we're going to be exploring the ancient as well as modern uses of psilocybin, and their personal journeys as well, and what led them to create
00:02:18.880 --> 00:02:24.259 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: This community. And we're going to also be talking about the role of psilocybin
00:02:26.890 --> 00:02:31.969 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: As a healing agent, integration, and transformation.
00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:40.459 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, first, and actually, let me ask you both to unmute and just say hello, and then we're going to talk a little history.
00:02:40.700 --> 00:02:42.770 Reginald Bucksell: Okay, hey, how you doing?
00:02:43.060 --> 00:02:46.160 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Hi, everybody.
00:02:46.600 --> 00:02:50.170 jarededmonds: Reggie. Hey, how you doing? This is, Jarrett.
00:02:51.150 --> 00:03:02.239 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Thank you, thank you for being here. So today, the history is something that I want to lead with so that people are aware of,
00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:12.389 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What psilocybin is in our history as human beings, and that it's not just this new thing that has cropped up in recent years
00:03:12.390 --> 00:03:22.869 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and everyone suddenly has this interest in it, right? And so we're hearing more and more about psilocybin or psychedelics in general.
00:03:22.870 --> 00:03:35.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Macrodoses, people going to places to, have big ceremonies and big experiences, and we're hearing about a rise in microdosing.
00:03:35.110 --> 00:03:39.190 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so I want people to kind of understand a little bit about
00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:43.370 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: what that all comes from, right? And so…
00:03:44.430 --> 00:03:48.969 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The roots of psilocybin go back thousands of years.
00:03:49.440 --> 00:03:59.269 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indigenous and spiritual communities and traditions have been using psilocybin as a macro and micro,
00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:10.040 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: molecule in their lives, and in ceremonial ways, not in these ways where what we would define as recreational, right?
00:04:10.040 --> 00:04:11.569 jarededmonds: Where people were…
00:04:11.620 --> 00:04:16.020 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Really looking either for spiritual healing, emotional healing.
00:04:16.610 --> 00:04:20.510 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Communion with the divine, communion with the community.
00:04:21.470 --> 00:04:22.260 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:04:22.260 --> 00:04:41.220 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they definitely, and they had people to guide them through these, you know, experiences, one-on-one or in groups. You really don't get as many of those people nowadays as back then. It was like, it always was a person to assist through things like this.
00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:59.360 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely, absolutely. I think that is why we're starting to see more and more, schools, I'll call them schools, popping up to train people. Like myself, therapists are getting trained to be psilocybin integration coaches,
00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:15.099 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: psilocybin-assisted, therapist, or a psychedelic-assisted therapist. I became a psychedelic-assisted therapist back during the pandemic, and it is the kind… it is the work that I really love to do to help
00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Guide people through that experience.
00:05:18.390 --> 00:05:23.290 jarededmonds: But it is starting to come up, and so I think it'll eventually pace.
00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What we're seeing the demand pointing to.
00:05:28.880 --> 00:05:30.130 Reginald Bucksell: For sure. Hopefully. For sure.
00:05:30.410 --> 00:05:39.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Hopefully. I think, too, people have to realize that it's not… when we say Indigenous communities, that includes…
00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:52.849 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: all the Indigenous communities around the world, and before modern times, right? Ancient times. Before we became,
00:05:53.210 --> 00:05:57.670 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: communities that… were,
00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:08.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: colonized, I guess, is gonna be the best way to put that. So, there was a gentleman who wrote the immortality Key.
00:06:08.260 --> 00:06:14.509 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: His name is Brian Morescu, and he dives into the role of psychedelics
00:06:14.650 --> 00:06:20.870 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: in early human history. So he was going back some 10, 15,000 years.
00:06:21.230 --> 00:06:27.749 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Way back. And he kind of brought it up to, ancient Greek times.
00:06:27.980 --> 00:06:33.889 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Jesus' times, where he talked about how psychedelics
00:06:34.010 --> 00:06:53.469 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In his book, the hypothesis is, because we can't prove anything nowadays, right? But the hypothesis is that psychedelic substances, entheogens, were the root of ancient religious rituals, and he calls these communities
00:06:53.570 --> 00:07:08.869 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the religion that had no name, which was my favorite. So this is before Christianity became a thing, before any of the Abrahamic religions that we know about today had a name. There were these rituals that would go on.
00:07:09.250 --> 00:07:13.449 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so, he called it the Secret Psychedelic Sacrament.
00:07:14.430 --> 00:07:16.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Which is a perfect word for our conversation.
00:07:16.450 --> 00:07:17.210 jarededmonds: Right, yeah.
00:07:17.210 --> 00:07:28.840 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: He talks about the Eleusinian mysteries in ancient Greece, and how this secret psychedelic sacrament was passed down.
00:07:28.950 --> 00:07:35.979 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: to the early Christians, and that sacrament influenced the original Christian Eucharist.
00:07:36.730 --> 00:07:45.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, I read this book about a year and a half ago. I'm a preacher's kid, and I'm like, they never told us anything about this church.
00:07:45.230 --> 00:07:46.409 jarededmonds: I'm not gonna tell you that.
00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:53.070 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Not at all. Nope. And I was a religious studies major. This didn't come up in my religious studies classes either.
00:07:54.610 --> 00:07:55.360 jarededmonds: Definitely.
00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:55.990 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: At all.
00:07:55.990 --> 00:07:57.709 jarededmonds: Seek for that information, you gotta…
00:07:57.710 --> 00:07:58.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly!
00:07:59.190 --> 00:08:09.459 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So he did more than a decade of research, and he had to go to, like, the catacombs of the Vatican to see some of this.
00:08:09.460 --> 00:08:10.350 jarededmonds: Wow.
00:08:10.900 --> 00:08:16.469 jarededmonds: It was definitely here for ancient… it's one of the earliest organisms here.
00:08:16.470 --> 00:08:17.290 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yes.
00:08:17.290 --> 00:08:26.040 jarededmonds: Yeah, so, you know, they were using it to tap into higher powers and higher… themselves, higher versions of themselves for…
00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:26.580 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:08:26.580 --> 00:08:39.010 jarededmonds: thousands, millions of years, so, you know, you know how we are. We hide stuff and try to keep secrets, and… Yep. Man, that's man for you.
00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:46.869 Reginald Bucksell: I really don't feel like it was frowned upon, though, until recently, like, probably within the last 100, 200 years, because
00:08:46.870 --> 00:09:03.149 Reginald Bucksell: I mean, you gotta think, man, people were using crazy things like heroin in their cough medicine, like, you know what I'm saying? So there's no way, like, I feel like it was probably perceived a lot different back in those times, like, I don't think it was as widespread, right? But…
00:09:03.150 --> 00:09:03.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's.
00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:06.379 Reginald Bucksell: It definitely was perceived differently, for sure.
00:09:06.380 --> 00:09:07.250 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Agreed.
00:09:07.510 --> 00:09:07.860 Reginald Bucksell: Dude.
00:09:07.860 --> 00:09:11.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, cocaine used to actually be in Coca-Cola, too.
00:09:11.410 --> 00:09:12.360 Reginald Bucksell: Right, exactly.
00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:13.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Whole nother episode.
00:09:13.390 --> 00:09:15.670 Reginald Bucksell: The wheat lip…
00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:17.570 jarededmonds: Where's that?
00:09:17.570 --> 00:09:17.950 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah.
00:09:17.950 --> 00:09:31.499 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So a little bit more as we move into the history. In 1955, an American banker, R. Gordon Wasson, and his photographer traveled to a small village in Oaxaca, Mexico.
00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:37.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They sought out to witness a mushroom ceremony they had heard about.
00:09:38.020 --> 00:09:52.640 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And we're… it was largely unknown to outsiders, of course, because, again, Indigenous communities were not sharing this information outside of their communities. They met Maria Sabina, who was a mesotech.
00:09:52.750 --> 00:09:58.430 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Corandera, which is a healer, and a shaman, and she originally hesitated.
00:09:59.090 --> 00:10:05.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In allowing him to witness this ceremony, but eventually she allowed them to participate.
00:10:05.570 --> 00:10:11.979 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: He had originally promised to not share his experience. So this is key.
00:10:13.560 --> 00:10:25.400 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: He had originally promised not to share his experience with the public, but later wrote the article for Life Magazine, which came out in 1957, called Seeking the Magic Mushroom.
00:10:25.660 --> 00:10:27.939 Reginald Bucksell: And so, the cat was out of the bag.
00:10:27.950 --> 00:10:45.769 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right. Western community. So it led to, you know, all of us are younger than the hippie movement, of course, but it led to the whole… the hippies and the, famous people going down there so that they can seek out
00:10:45.770 --> 00:10:50.969 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: A psychedelic experience, but it changed their community.
00:10:51.350 --> 00:11:00.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For sure. And so, the community itself was never the same, and she eventually regretted sharing it with him.
00:11:01.520 --> 00:11:02.010 Reginald Bucksell: Wow.
00:11:02.010 --> 00:11:07.160 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That is key, because… It has always been considered sacred.
00:11:08.150 --> 00:11:16.220 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And… how Western culture latches onto things is often never sacred.
00:11:16.500 --> 00:11:16.880 jarededmonds: Right.
00:11:16.880 --> 00:11:35.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so I want to have this conversation today because I think the sacredness of the mushroom and all psychedelics needs to be part of this new wave of interest in psychedelics, to handle it differently than we did before.
00:11:35.310 --> 00:11:47.620 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So the new, research that has arisen… well, first, we had the first wave of research in the 50s and 60s that came about,
00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:56.010 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: for… hmm, about 10 or 20 years? 60s, 70s, early 70s.
00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:06.210 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Research was conducted so that we could figure out whether they would be a benefit for mental health, addiction, and spiritual healing.
00:12:06.900 --> 00:12:23.659 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And one of the things that was interesting is that the hub of a lot of the research was here in Maryland, and it was at a place called Spring Grove State Hospital with Stanislav Groff, Bill Richards, a whole bunch of these names that have
00:12:24.160 --> 00:12:25.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: All written books.
00:12:26.060 --> 00:12:32.519 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: about psychedelics after the research was shut down by the government, and I love
00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:40.260 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: when I see in… on the internet, you look up this stuff, they talk about prohibition, it was very much so prohibition.
00:12:40.270 --> 00:12:43.740 jarededmonds: Alright, so… 1970, everything had to shut down.
00:12:44.270 --> 00:12:54.930 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Bill Richards eventually… Comes out again when the research starts up in 1999.
00:12:55.180 --> 00:12:55.500 Reginald Bucksell: Any…
00:12:55.500 --> 00:13:14.030 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: He is now connected to Johns Hopkins and Sunstone Therapies, and has resumed the research, and I got to meet him briefly a few months ago, and he has this light in his eyes, like, he gets up every day to do the dopest thing ever.
00:13:14.030 --> 00:13:16.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: To help people heal.
00:13:17.020 --> 00:13:17.520 Reginald Bucksell: Right.
00:13:17.520 --> 00:13:29.889 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's what he does. He also wrote the book Sacred Knowledge, and I got to read that about a year and a half ago as well, and it was a beautifully written book about the early days of this research, his work.
00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:39.879 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: where it is now, what psychedelics really are, so… So those are the two main books. I think if you're watching this episode, you may want to investigate.
00:13:39.880 --> 00:13:52.459 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So today, with the Renaissance and the resurgence of research in the psychedelic field, particularly at Johns Hopkins and NYU,
00:13:52.790 --> 00:13:59.010 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We're now seeing that research confirm what the ancient folks knew.
00:13:59.260 --> 00:14:15.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: thousands of years ago, right? And so, whether people are stepping in at the macro level for large ceremonies, or at the micro-dosing level, where it's a small sub-perceptual dose.
00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:28.929 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Either way, there is a promise of mental health healing and spiritual alignment. And so that's what we're going to talk about today. So we're going to take a break.
00:14:28.930 --> 00:14:41.189 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And when we come back from this break, we're going to talk to both Reggie and Jared about their own journeys into this sphere, and what led them to start this organization.
00:14:41.280 --> 00:14:43.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So come on back after the break!
00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.360 Reginald Bucksell: Hmm.
00:16:57.450 --> 00:17:11.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Welcome back to the Expansion Room, where this week we are talking about psilocybin and its effects on mental health as well as spiritual growth. And my guests today are…
00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:33.540 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Reggie and Jared, who both began the Living Sacrament. And so in this segment, I want to hear, like, what were your individual journeys towards psychedelics in general, but psilocybin in particular, and then what led you to start to bring some of what you learned to community?
00:17:34.300 --> 00:17:35.250 Reginald Bucksell: Okay.
00:17:35.530 --> 00:17:37.450 Reginald Bucksell: You want me… you want me to go first, Jay?
00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:39.750 jarededmonds: You know you gotta go first, you gotta go first.
00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:40.150 Reginald Bucksell: Okay.
00:17:40.150 --> 00:17:41.179 jarededmonds: Yeah, he gotta go first.
00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:56.279 Reginald Bucksell: So, so for me, I was in a transition. I had a trucking company at the time. I had, I had a, I was partnered with my brother.
00:17:56.280 --> 00:18:10.380 Reginald Bucksell: One of my older brothers, and, we had just upgraded to a car carrier, and I had been doing most of the work before then myself, but now we were transitioning him in to help.
00:18:10.380 --> 00:18:22.370 Reginald Bucksell: So, we were trying… I was training him on the new truck we had. We just picked up a couple cars, and we were on our way to make a trip to Miami.
00:18:22.370 --> 00:18:31.640 Reginald Bucksell: I'm from Maryland. And, man, we didn't even get, like, a block, I want to say, and we flipped… well, my brother flipped the vehicle.
00:18:31.690 --> 00:18:36.250 Reginald Bucksell: With us in it, and,
00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:42.669 Reginald Bucksell: I got injured, and also had to be liable for,
00:18:43.060 --> 00:18:56.810 Reginald Bucksell: the accident. He wasn't even on the insurance yet. It was terrible. So, man, I basically lost everything in that incident.
00:18:56.810 --> 00:19:20.580 Reginald Bucksell: And, I was also injured, so I didn't know where or what I was gonna do. I had been doing that for the last 2 years, working 16-hour days to build this business up, and I just lost everything in, like, a blink of an eye. So I was, like, really depressed. I had to do something, though, of course, to pay the bills, so I was, like, Instacarting and things like that, and…
00:19:21.830 --> 00:19:33.939 Reginald Bucksell: man, one of my friends had just given me some mushrooms. I was like, man, here, you know, you should take these and, and see how it helps you. I took them.
00:19:33.940 --> 00:19:42.300 Reginald Bucksell: And the night that I took those mushrooms, I will never forget it, my daughter had a soccer game in the morning. And,
00:19:42.340 --> 00:19:45.770 Reginald Bucksell: My girlfriend, who is my wife now,
00:19:45.940 --> 00:20:10.050 Reginald Bucksell: had, like, a birthday party or something that she went to, so it was just me, perfect environment. I took the mushrooms, I lemonteched them, and if you don't know, lemon-teching is, like, the process, the method of consumption where you can just… it's a stronger version where you don't have to actually ingest the physical mushrooms. But anyway, I did that, and it was a super strong
00:20:10.050 --> 00:20:29.450 Reginald Bucksell: spectacular experience. I mean, I went through every emotion thinkable within this experience. I was crying, I was laughing, I was happy, I was sad, I was angry. I just went everywhere with it. But by the end of my experience.
00:20:29.450 --> 00:20:52.100 Reginald Bucksell: I just felt so good. It really brought a lot of clarity to my situation at that time, my life in general up to that point, and kind of helped me put in perspective, that it wasn't that bad, right? Like, I had been through way worse things in my life, up to that point, and, like.
00:20:52.550 --> 00:20:57.930 Reginald Bucksell: it was something that I could overcome, but it definitely, like, went from half empty to half full.
00:20:57.930 --> 00:21:13.109 Reginald Bucksell: And, man, I remember going to the soccer game, my daughter's soccer game, and just feeling so great, and I was like, wow. I mean… and it lingered for, like, a week or two after that, and I was like, man, I still feel great. I wasn't intoxicated at all, but the…
00:21:13.110 --> 00:21:17.819 Reginald Bucksell: the way I felt about myself and what I had to do, and what I had ahead of me.
00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:31.839 Reginald Bucksell: was so great. I was like, man, this stuff really is awesome. I really feel like this could help other people. And so, like, the next night or two after that first two weeks of me taking it, I started a website.
00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:50.349 Reginald Bucksell: And, and I was living in Baltimore at the time, and I basically… me and my girlfriend at the time, now which is my wife, we moved from Baltimore back to Washington, D.C. This was around the time that, mushrooms had…
00:21:50.360 --> 00:22:02.559 Reginald Bucksell: recently been decriminalized, I want to say, and but a lot of people weren't really on too mushrooms at this time. It was more like of a marijuana thing, and but I started a website.
00:22:03.790 --> 00:22:28.739 Reginald Bucksell: And we just started, like, getting calls. A lot of people would call, and they would have, like, questions, and… and mind you, I never read a book. I never, you know, saw a movie or video. I just… I just used the sacrament and… and just learned as I went. It was like the mushrooms gave me the
00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:41.710 Reginald Bucksell: information that I was seeking. I didn't even know, but it was like, as time went on, I just learned more and more and more, and developed a methodology to be able to help other people
00:22:41.710 --> 00:22:51.810 Reginald Bucksell: not, you know, solve their issues, but learn how to use the sacrament properly to be able for them to solve their own issues. And,
00:22:51.970 --> 00:23:13.329 Reginald Bucksell: So, as time went on, you know, we just started growing. I mean, I used to sit on the phone sometimes 30, 40 minutes with people. They're telling me their problems. I'm just trying my best to help them. I just felt so fulfilled in doing this because I felt like this is what mushrooms gave to me, and I felt like it was only right to give this to others, you know?
00:23:13.830 --> 00:23:15.569 Reginald Bucksell: It came so natural.
00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:17.809 Reginald Bucksell: I felt like this was my calling now.
00:23:19.020 --> 00:23:43.909 Reginald Bucksell: And then as time went on, we just grew and grew and grew, because unlike a lot of these other places, we really cared. Like, we're not trying to sell people, right? They would come, they would tell us what they're trying to accomplish, what their intention is, like, right? Like, oh, okay, I'm not trying to have a psychedelic experience, I'm just trying to help get off of these SSRIs or these MAOIs.
00:23:43.910 --> 00:23:59.230 Reginald Bucksell: Right? How should I go about that? Now, of course, I'm not a doctor, right? But, with the information that we know, just from dealing with people that have been doing this throughout our time of existence,
00:23:59.330 --> 00:24:23.749 Reginald Bucksell: we just basically developed, okay, well, this is how I would go about it. Now, I'm not a doctor to suggest you to stop taking medicine, of course, right? But this is how you should go about it, this is the proper way to do it, you don't need an ounce to be able to microdose, okay? Like, you know, and just breaking it down to people like that, and then we just became a hub of information, more so than…
00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.270 Reginald Bucksell: Just being there for mushrooms.
00:24:26.490 --> 00:24:29.250 Reginald Bucksell: And, yep, here we are.
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:34.259 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Thank you. I did not know all of those details, so thank you for sharing.
00:24:34.260 --> 00:24:34.619 Reginald Bucksell: I hear it.
00:24:34.620 --> 00:24:35.779 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What's bother?
00:24:35.780 --> 00:24:37.460 jarededmonds: Jared?
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.030 jarededmonds: Reggie dragged me into it, so…
00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:48.630 jarededmonds: But, it is kind of true. Me and him have been friends since, kindergarten. A lot of people don't know that, so we lost.
00:24:48.630 --> 00:24:49.570 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: brothers.
00:24:49.570 --> 00:25:13.579 jarededmonds: Yeah, that's, like, my longest friend. And so, you know, I've been… Reggie went through a lot, you know what I mean? So I was always, like, there, and then he was like, bro, I got this thing. I ain't even believe it at first. And when I took my first experience, I was like, dang, he was right. And it was, like, a year, two years later, after we already… this big thing going on.
00:25:13.580 --> 00:25:34.219 jarededmonds: At the time. And so, I was like, yo, he was really right, because I ain't know nothing about it. He's like, bro, I took these things, and it changed my life, bro, we gotta do it. So I'm like, alright, cool, let's go. And I started off with, like, microdosing, and I do, like, social dosing, and stuff like that, but then he was like, bro, you gotta go all the way.
00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:41.839 jarededmonds: And then I went there, and then I was like, I see what he talking about. And for me, what really did it was,
00:25:42.200 --> 00:26:01.610 jarededmonds: the people would come in there after they came to us, and they'd be crying, like, they'll be telling us their stories on how their life changed. I'll never forget, it was this guy from Pennsylvania. He had came down right when we opened the shop, so before, it was curbside, and
00:26:01.620 --> 00:26:08.869 jarededmonds: when, Reggie first started, and then we opened a shop in… what was that, 22, bro? 2022? Summer.
00:26:08.870 --> 00:26:10.270 Reginald Bucksell: Something like that.
00:26:10.270 --> 00:26:34.660 jarededmonds: Yeah, summer 22 or 23, no, summer 23. And, this guy came in, like, the first or second week we was open, and he heard about mushrooms through the, you know, internet, and read some stuff, and I remember him coming back, like, that September, October, and he was like, yo, I got a job now, I got this, I'm… it changed my life, and then at that moment, I was like, oh, this stuff really helping people.
00:26:34.660 --> 00:26:36.689 jarededmonds: And it wasn't more so…
00:26:36.820 --> 00:26:47.840 jarededmonds: from my knowledge, like, a Scooby-Doo drug, or such. Right. You know, that's what I thought it was, too, like, more recreation, and people would ask about microdosing, and…
00:26:47.840 --> 00:26:52.360 jarededmonds: healing, and then I started doing more research in it, you know what I'm saying? So…
00:26:52.360 --> 00:27:16.420 jarededmonds: now I'm sending Reggie information, like, you know what I'm saying? It goes from him telling me stuff, now I'm like, alright, let's… learning this, learning this, and just piling on all this information about it, and it had been locked in ever since, and so I'm vegan. I'm already been into, like, mushrooms, but not psychedelic mushrooms, like, you know, so I always was into, like, the oysters, the matakis, the…
00:27:16.420 --> 00:27:16.810 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And…
00:27:16.810 --> 00:27:18.419 jarededmonds: Yeah, they're fine.
00:27:18.740 --> 00:27:20.510 jarededmonds: Lion's mane. Three sheep.
00:27:20.510 --> 00:27:21.010 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and, you know.
00:27:21.010 --> 00:27:31.309 jarededmonds: So, when he… and I never, like, I never did cannabis, like, I'm… I don't drink, like, I'm super pure, and then he's like.
00:27:31.520 --> 00:27:36.679 jarededmonds: he can't get me the drink. You give me a million dollars right now, I won't take a drink. You know what I'm saying?
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.220 jarededmonds: And so, once,
00:27:40.560 --> 00:27:55.860 jarededmonds: you know, I introduced to it through him, and it kind of been locked in ever since, and we've just been expanding, and you know, just… we learning every day, you know, we learn information every day, you know what I'm saying? Our clients teach us.
00:27:55.860 --> 00:28:18.899 jarededmonds: doing stuff like this teaches us, you know, we're not, like, the end-all, be-all, but, like, we're just a hub of, like, a safe place, and that's our goal. It's just to be that place of information, because people are seeking it, and that's what I realized. People are seeking this information, but it's nowhere to go. It's just a bunch of literature on the internet, but when they find us, it's, like.
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:42.640 jarededmonds: finding, the pot of gold, you know, and like he said, it's… our goal is to not sell, it's to help. You get what I'm saying? And, that's been our mission ever since, and it has helped us tremendously, even with us shifting from the well-shroomness to the living sacrament. That's still our main focus, is to help people
00:28:42.750 --> 00:28:49.620 jarededmonds: Everybody around us succeeds, that we do business with or interact, and that…
00:28:49.620 --> 00:29:04.680 jarededmonds: that's what brings me fulfillment, and I thank him as well, to be able to help our friends and family, and just… just everyone we encounter, and it… it helps you in more ways than just by taking it, just…
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:14.330 jarededmonds: the fruits of everything can just spread upon to everybody, and the community is great as well. Absolutely. I agree. It's definitely a great community.
00:29:14.330 --> 00:29:34.200 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The community that builds around, mushrooms, psychedelics in general, but mushrooms, is a beautiful community, because people are there for healing, they're looking for spiritual connection, as well as most are looking for a community, because you can't really talk about this
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:44.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In most… either most families, or in mixed company, and so forth, so the connections start to really build, and it becomes spiritual.
00:29:45.040 --> 00:30:04.839 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know? Even without the label of it being a mushroom church, so to speak. So when we come back from the break, I would love to hear from you both about how you then moved into starting the Living Sacrament, and who the Living Sacrament serves, like.
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:13.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: who in that… in the vast world are you, looking to connect with? And so, we'll be back in a moment.
00:32:18.580 --> 00:32:33.589 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And welcome back to the Expansion room, and we'll continue our conversation on psilocybin with our guests from the Living Sacrament, and I would love to hear who
00:32:33.730 --> 00:32:53.119 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: you serve in the larger community, and then what are the particular or unique needs in the African American community in reference to introducing psychedelics in general, both psilocybin in particular, and how do you address those?
00:32:54.510 --> 00:33:02.940 jarededmonds: Yeah, sure. We, who we serve is people seeking, annex,
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.799 jarededmonds: their higher self, right? People trying to heal.
00:33:06.800 --> 00:33:10.789 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: people dealing… the everyday person, right? .
00:33:10.790 --> 00:33:14.989 jarededmonds: Getting into this, I didn't know how many people suffer from depression.
00:33:14.990 --> 00:33:39.889 jarededmonds: Right? We served over, 28,000 clients we have, right? And, I didn't know how many people had PTSD, depression, anxiety, and so it can be your neighbor, somebody you talk to every day, you don't know who's dealing with it, and so that's who we mainly serve, and we're here to be that space to where people
00:33:39.890 --> 00:34:03.799 jarededmonds: can come together and talk about and learn from each other. We have people that are expert mycologists to therapists like you we met through this journey, and it's just a place to where like-minded people come together, and we communion, and we talk, and have a good time. We do nature hikes every… at least once or twice a month.
00:34:04.110 --> 00:34:19.699 jarededmonds: And, people love it, and that's where we are with it, and just to be that place, and to where people can come for that information, knowledge, and experience, and that's what we're here to do, to just serve.
00:34:20.100 --> 00:34:22.110 Reginald Bucksell: Wonderful, thank you.
00:34:22.190 --> 00:34:23.489 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And Rogue?
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:42.719 Reginald Bucksell: So, yeah, like he said, we basically serve any and everybody, whoever needs it. I mean, we have clients and patrons that are from 80-something years old to 21, and every color, shape, size, there's no demographic.
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:58.879 Reginald Bucksell: like you said, it's literally… you can walk in there and you'll see somebody's mother. We've had paraplegic people, I mean, you could name it. We've dealt with a lot of different people. I feel like everybody needs assistance, you know what I'm saying? I feel like we all…
00:34:58.939 --> 00:35:17.219 Reginald Bucksell: have stuff that we need to solve within ourselves, and who better to, know how to fix yourself to a certain degree than yourself, right? We let our egos kind of control our narrative day to day, and justify crazy things that we shouldn't be doing, but,
00:35:17.379 --> 00:35:24.899 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah, nonetheless, but, as far as, like, the Black community, right, I feel like,
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:38.849 Reginald Bucksell: My opinion is that we, a lot of the times, if you don't know somebody close to you that can really break it down, that you trust their opinion, and feel like they…
00:35:38.849 --> 00:35:53.749 Reginald Bucksell: what they're saying is, like, gold or law, you know what I'm saying? That, a lot of people just don't want to give it an open eye. I see that in a lot of other communities, like you said, the 50s, 60s.
00:35:53.750 --> 00:35:54.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Hmm.
00:35:54.140 --> 00:36:17.739 Reginald Bucksell: When that hippie movement was going along, a lot of their parents, you know, partake… partook in these activities, right? Figuring themselves out, recreational or spiritual, right? And using these products. We get that a lot. A lot of people will come in, man, I did these 20 years ago, man. There's nothing you can tell me about a mushroom. Right. And I try to explain to people, okay?
00:36:17.740 --> 00:36:18.240 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:19.460 Reginald Bucksell: like weed, right.
00:36:19.460 --> 00:36:22.930 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, 70s and 80s. Totally different!
00:36:22.930 --> 00:36:24.340 Reginald Bucksell: It's not the same weed, okay?
00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:25.080 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly.
00:36:25.080 --> 00:36:33.329 Reginald Bucksell: It's a whole new week. But anyway, I feel like we just… we're not as open-minded to certain things, just because of the way our community is, right?
00:36:33.330 --> 00:36:33.720 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: No.
00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:37.560 Reginald Bucksell: And I feel like, you know.
00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:40.419 Reginald Bucksell: It's like, you can't knock nothing until you try it.
00:36:40.570 --> 00:37:04.759 Reginald Bucksell: You know, that's my biggest thing, right? You gotta have an open mind to a lot of things. It took me to try to have an open mind, right? And I just try to explain to people, like, you don't really see us in this space too often, right? It's not a lot of us in this space. So, it's not really too many people for us to look at and be like, okay, well, this guy seems like he's doing pretty well, and…
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:14.190 Reginald Bucksell: he seems pretty, you know, level-headed and spiritually inclined. Oh, well, you know, let's see, let's just see what it is. And,
00:37:14.300 --> 00:37:22.419 Reginald Bucksell: It's just a lot of misconceptions, man. People talking about… That's weird. Yeah. Hey, I don't want to be jumping off the walls, or stripping naked.
00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:23.270 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: This is not PC.
00:37:23.270 --> 00:37:24.240 Reginald Bucksell: P, okay?
00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:26.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right, right, exactly. It is not that.
00:37:26.450 --> 00:37:29.760 Reginald Bucksell: Right, yeah, they think I'm…
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.819 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Oh, man.
00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:41.109 Reginald Bucksell: I'm so surprised, you'll hear people come in and be like, microdose, I want a microdose, and they think a microdose is one mushroom. Right. Like, no, that is not a microdose, like…
00:37:41.910 --> 00:37:42.640 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah.
00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:53.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, I think the misconceptions, probably go back, way back in, at least in the Black community, to the days where we were experimented on.
00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:12.389 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: without, you know, our consent, and a lot of things happening to our great-grandparents and grandparents that were not above board, and so there's a lot… even with mental health, when I became a therapist 22 years ago, I did not personally know any of the Black therapists.
00:38:12.560 --> 00:38:13.889 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: At that time.
00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:17.610 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I was doing a thing that was completely…
00:38:17.740 --> 00:38:26.980 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: out of bounds for the community that I grew up in. Now, there are Black therapists everywhere, but 22 years ago, not so much.
00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:31.909 jarededmonds: And you gotta think how mushrooms were… are portrayed on the media, right?
00:38:31.910 --> 00:38:32.400 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:57.390 jarededmonds: And even if it's in a movie, it's all the crazy colors, people jumping out of planes, and just doing… you know, it's portrayed like this thing, so people are like, oh, that's gonna make you go crazy. Exactly. I'm not trying to go crazy, and so when you try to explain that to people, especially people that look like us, it's, it's like you gotta break down that barrier. And then, also, what I've noticed is.
00:38:57.390 --> 00:39:21.460 jarededmonds: a lot of people don't want to heal, you know? They want to stay where they are, they don't want to talk to their higher self, they don't want to figure out what's going on, because it's easier, sometimes, they feel like, to stay where they are. And so, when they find out the information, they're like, well, do I really want to do that? Like, you know what I mean? But mainly, it's the media, what's portrayed as, I feel, and
00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:29.640 jarededmonds: we just, like, know, but I feel like most of us are ones that need it. If you've been to the store, our store wasn't in the best neighborhood.
00:39:29.640 --> 00:39:33.119 jarededmonds: No, it wasn't. I can tell you, we probably had…
00:39:33.860 --> 00:39:40.620 jarededmonds: a few people come from over there in the neighborhood, and majority of them didn't look like us, that's all I'mma say.
00:39:40.620 --> 00:39:47.900 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, your shop was, cause… and I used to love, and I hope you're still going to be continuing this with,
00:39:48.150 --> 00:39:51.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the living sacrament, like, the fireside Talks.
00:39:51.770 --> 00:39:52.370 jarededmonds: Oh, yeah.
00:39:52.370 --> 00:40:04.469 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Where you would invite people like myself and the nurses and so forth to come and talk to people about their journey with psilocybin, especially if they were just starting, if they had questions, right?
00:40:04.470 --> 00:40:04.910 jarededmonds: Right.
00:40:04.910 --> 00:40:11.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Whenever I was in the shop doing one of those talks with people, it was the most diverse… it was like the United Nations.
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:13.000 jarededmonds: Right, yeah.
00:40:13.640 --> 00:40:14.330 jarededmonds: Yeah, it was…
00:40:14.330 --> 00:40:16.160 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The worst place is…
00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:20.070 jarededmonds: Judgment-free zone. It was judgment-free. Like, I didn't see…
00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:32.329 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It really was. Young, old, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, I mean, everybody would come in there, and those couple of hours I'd be in there, and they'd be from out of state, out of the area, because…
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:39.329 Reginald Bucksell: Right. Like, where could you walk in and get your questions answered by live humans? Right.
00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:54.319 jarededmonds: So, one of the questions, when we were about to start doing some marketing, and they were like, well, who's your avatar, right? You know, Nike might focus on middle-aged, professionals who work out or.
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:54.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:14.150 jarededmonds: Right? And so, you trying to pick your avatar, and we, like, literally 21 to 81, any shape, size, color, sex, it don't matter. It doesn't matter. It's hard to find an avatar. Of course, you're gonna have certain people in a certain age group that, that, 25 to 45 who come more.
00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:15.959 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But majority of them…
00:41:15.990 --> 00:41:25.530 jarededmonds: we had old ladies, 70 years old, bike from Bethesda down every Saturday. Like, you know what I mean? And they were a couple.
00:41:25.530 --> 00:41:28.089 Reginald Bucksell: Couple, it was her and her husband, I want to say.
00:41:28.090 --> 00:41:44.540 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I surprised! My oldest clients for… my oldest client for a psilocybin journey, and she came for a spiritual experience. That was literally what she wanted, and so I… I worked with her,
00:41:44.710 --> 00:41:56.640 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know, as her sitter and a facilitator, and then also during her integration, she was 89, and her main question was, what does it look like to be 90 years old in this world?
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:04.669 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: when most of my friends have died, I've outlived a couple of husbands, like, what is… what is… what is this life now?
00:42:05.660 --> 00:42:22.009 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah. And we got a lot of questions. I always tell people when they go on their experiences, man, you gotta come with some type of intention, right? You gotta meditate, or pray, whatever you feel comfortable with doing, because you can get your questions answered.
00:42:22.750 --> 00:42:25.109 Reginald Bucksell: You know what I'm saying? Sure can.
00:42:25.470 --> 00:42:31.529 Reginald Bucksell: And a lot of people mistake this for just… a lot of people assume you're just trying to get high, right?
00:42:31.850 --> 00:42:44.650 Reginald Bucksell: But, for me, and for a lot of other people that I've talked to, you know, it's life-changing. I mean, some people only do it once, and never do it again. Yeah. And they're changed from that day forward, you know?
00:42:46.830 --> 00:42:47.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:42:47.390 --> 00:42:49.830 jarededmonds: Definitely gotta set that intention, for sure.
00:42:49.830 --> 00:42:50.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:50.950 jarededmonds: Yeah, like…
00:42:50.950 --> 00:42:51.600 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Talk about that.
00:42:51.600 --> 00:42:52.059 jarededmonds: in the next…
00:42:52.060 --> 00:43:06.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: segment, like, what makes this different than recreational use, or just getting high? So, we're going to take our final commercial break, and then we'll come back and talk about those questions. Thank you.
00:44:53.660 --> 00:44:59.839 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Welcome back, and in this last segment, we're going to be talking about what makes
00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:14.510 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: This kind of use, sacred use of psilocybin in ceremonial spaces, therapeutic spaces, spiritual spaces, different than using it
00:45:14.530 --> 00:45:29.219 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: as a fun drug, or recreationally, or, you know, just hanging out with friends. And what I often tell people is that it's the parentheses that you put around
00:45:29.450 --> 00:45:35.430 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the experience. It's intention setting, And integration.
00:45:35.600 --> 00:45:45.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, intentionality before you even take the mushrooms, whether you're going to be doing a macro dose or a microdose.
00:45:45.870 --> 00:45:47.819 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You have to have an intention.
00:45:48.310 --> 00:45:51.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so, at the end… at the end of that.
00:45:52.740 --> 00:46:06.899 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: what is your integration process? So let's talk a little bit about that. Intention setting. How do you all, with your work with people now in the community, how do you all help people to set their intentions?
00:46:07.950 --> 00:46:12.539 Reginald Bucksell: Well, I always tell people, you know, you have to…
00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:18.799 Reginald Bucksell: have yourself in the right environment, right? This is not something I would take going to a club or, you know.
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:19.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yes.
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:27.440 Reginald Bucksell: I even tell people, like, you know, a lot of people ask, oh, can I… I'm gonna get my husband to sit for me, or…
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:51.229 Reginald Bucksell: to watch me while I take it, and I even kind of refer away from that to a certain extent, because it's like the friend that's drunk and you're sober, you know? You're like, man, you're doing a lot, I don't know if that's right. And, you know, you're so vulnerable in a visual dosage that somebody could just say anything to you and change your perception in that moment. You could go from having a great experience.
00:46:51.230 --> 00:47:15.149 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: to having the worst experience just off of thinking that something is wrong with me. As they see it, maybe, why don't I see it? Why don't I know that? I just try to tell people just, you know, you try to want to come into this in the right mind space, and, you know, have your environment suitable to tranquility and, you know, you know, for you to be able to receive whatever it's going to give you.
00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:18.530 Reginald Bucksell: I really don't feel like,
00:47:18.950 --> 00:47:38.420 Reginald Bucksell: experiences, even when people try to be recreational, I think it always ends spiritually, right? Because, you don't know what the mushroom will bring to you, you know? Like, some people go into this thinking, like, oh yeah, I'm gonna just have fun with my buddies, and then they come out totally different, because…
00:47:38.420 --> 00:47:40.930 Reginald Bucksell: Your higher self, once that ego's gone.
00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:43.859 Reginald Bucksell: You know, a lot of truth comes out.
00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:44.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, man.
00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:46.680 Reginald Bucksell: It's.
00:47:46.680 --> 00:47:47.590 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I'm mad.
00:47:47.590 --> 00:47:52.360 Reginald Bucksell: It happens without it, you know? God puts His hands on you, however, you know?
00:47:52.360 --> 00:48:11.110 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's it. You mentioned something about, like, setting up your space for tranquility and being in the right mind space, and it brings me back to what they used to talk about coming out of those early days of the 50s and 60s research, the set and setting.
00:48:11.460 --> 00:48:17.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What is your mindset going in, basically your intention, and what is the setting that you're in?
00:48:18.370 --> 00:48:18.790 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:48:18.790 --> 00:48:19.620 jarededmonds: That's big.
00:48:19.620 --> 00:48:20.609 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's huge.
00:48:20.610 --> 00:48:23.760 jarededmonds: Clean your place up, that's what we say, fine.
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:36.230 jarededmonds: you know, if you feel like set… set… you gotta set up before you go in, right? Like, hey, find a happy playlist, something. If you start going too far, that'll bring you back.
00:48:36.230 --> 00:48:36.740 Reginald Bucksell: and everything.
00:48:36.740 --> 00:48:48.930 jarededmonds: Like, don't watch nothing crazy. Like he said, definitely that friend that you have that you don't know too much about, but y'all hang around each other all the time, but you don't… don't be around them.
00:48:48.930 --> 00:48:50.740 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You got it.
00:48:50.740 --> 00:48:54.439 jarededmonds: You know what I mean? Like, people had those people that they never eliminated.
00:48:55.200 --> 00:49:03.270 jarededmonds: still dragging them along, and they'll take it, and it'll… they feel like it has ended the relationship, but it really…
00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:06.600 jarededmonds: Put you on your path, on the right path, so…
00:49:06.600 --> 00:49:07.330 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indeed.
00:49:07.330 --> 00:49:25.250 jarededmonds: Definitely clean your place up, and just set little things out that'll help you if you feel like you've gone too far, because some species, like, they can… they can take you there, and you can be going somewhere, and it's hard to come back if you don't have these things set up.
00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:32.130 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indeed, and I feel like if people are experiencing, or have, rather, experienced trauma in their lives.
00:49:32.290 --> 00:49:43.079 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I would also add that maybe them seeking out a person who has been trained to sit for this kind of work is probably a good idea.
00:49:43.080 --> 00:49:56.209 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For sure. When you've dealt with trauma, you don't know in that psychedelic space, or headspace, what's going to come up for healing. And my teacher taught me, a symptom is…
00:49:56.490 --> 00:50:09.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: something just halfway out. But if you don't know that, right, and something starts to come up that you've been tamping down for years, you don't know what to do with that.
00:50:09.110 --> 00:50:15.780 Reginald Bucksell: And so, a professional or somebody who's been trained to sit and facilitate and help you go in and through.
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:23.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Is going to be key to you having a more successful experience than a traumatic experience.
00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:26.430 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah, for sure. I feel like,
00:50:26.640 --> 00:50:38.860 Reginald Bucksell: Like, yeah, people that definitely went through trauma definitely need somebody who knows their way around trying to help people figure out how to, work through those emotions.
00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:47.160 Reginald Bucksell: you know, I'm definitely… I'm not that person, but I refer to people like you, you know.
00:50:47.160 --> 00:50:47.580 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right, right.
00:50:47.580 --> 00:51:02.130 Reginald Bucksell: people that we have to do those things, because all I basically try to give is what I call navigation tools, right? Because I'm not… nobody, I feel like, is an expert, right? We're all learning as we go on, because, you know…
00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:02.520 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:51:02.520 --> 00:51:12.650 Reginald Bucksell: Even though we are… we've been involved in this for a while, you know, it's never a way to actually know how someone's experience is going to turn.
00:51:12.680 --> 00:51:27.930 Reginald Bucksell: Right? It's all perception, right? Your thoughts, even life in general, is perception. I mean, you could think it's the worst thing ever, and there's people out here that are homeless, and they think it's the best thing ever. It's all perception, you know what I'm saying? So…
00:51:27.930 --> 00:51:33.779 Reginald Bucksell: Yes, we always try to give some type of tools to be able to, I say.
00:51:33.870 --> 00:51:45.400 Reginald Bucksell: try to distract from the negative, because I feel, personally, I feel like it's never a bad experience. Like, every experience offers answers to something, right?
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:59.079 Reginald Bucksell: Now, how you perceive those answers and what it's given you, it's totally up to the person, but I feel like even when it's something… I feel like most of the time when people say they had a bad experience, it's just you beating yourself up, generally.
00:51:59.080 --> 00:51:59.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mmm…
00:51:59.730 --> 00:52:18.289 Reginald Bucksell: No. Like, you might, have things in yourself that really need to be changed, right? That your ego is justifying, right? And then, when it's exposed to you, it's like somebody calling you a liar when you're sober, and then you calling yourself a liar when you're, you know, on the sacrament, right?
00:52:18.290 --> 00:52:18.640 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mmm.
00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:25.370 Reginald Bucksell: It hurts more. The truth hurts, and that's a true statement. And I feel like a lot of people aren't ready to…
00:52:25.690 --> 00:52:29.710 Reginald Bucksell: Accept these things, and then make the change for the better sometimes.
00:52:29.710 --> 00:52:41.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And that's where integration comes in, because those kinds of things come up and are revealed in a ceremonial experience, or even some things get revealed just microdosing.
00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:46.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's the… Time that you take afterwards.
00:52:46.310 --> 00:52:55.580 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Where you start to look at it, and process it, and name it, and shift. Let go of some things that
00:52:56.080 --> 00:53:04.569 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Has been revealed to you that need to be shifted, and welcome in things that you now need in place of that.
00:53:04.590 --> 00:53:19.330 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But if you never set the intention, have the experience, and then do the integration, you just think, ugh, that just… that was a hard experience, or that was a bad experience, or as they used to say, a bad trip.
00:53:19.610 --> 00:53:19.960 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:20.540 jarededmonds: Right.
00:53:20.540 --> 00:53:22.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I feel most… Yes, Jared.
00:53:22.750 --> 00:53:39.779 jarededmonds: Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, I feel most people, they compare it to, like, alcohol and weed, right? And, like, you know, when you drink, they think, in the good experiences, you having fun, right? And they're not looking more so, like, they thinking, oh, I'mma just…
00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:50.430 jarededmonds: float around, see… fly on spaceships, and go through, because we all had that experience taking mushrooms, where it's like, you got… you're not all the way there, but you're almost there, and you just.
00:53:50.430 --> 00:53:50.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: is, like.
00:53:50.970 --> 00:54:12.990 jarededmonds: going through every… the motion and everything is just fun, but they're not really realizing, like, hey, you're gonna heal from this, too. And so when they get that breakdown of where they're crying all the time, or they bringing stuff up, or they just going in and out, and whatever's going on, they… they comparing it, especially the first-timers, to…
00:54:12.990 --> 00:54:23.419 jarededmonds: An alcohol or some other type of drug to where they have those more of a fun, which you would say, experience, versus a transformative experience.
00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:27.250 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indeed, indeed. So huge, so huge.
00:54:28.120 --> 00:54:32.200 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Any final last words in our last couple of minutes, gentlemen?
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:46.539 Reginald Bucksell: I just want to say, man, I… first of all, I want to thank you for having us. You know, this is beautiful, having a space where you can actually talk about this stuff, and…
00:54:46.540 --> 00:54:58.649 Reginald Bucksell: You can bring people that are actually involved in the community to help give more information and insight to others that are trying to seek it. I love this, and I really appreciate you bringing us on here.
00:54:58.650 --> 00:55:11.829 Reginald Bucksell: Other than that, I just really hope that, you know, as this becomes more, researched, they're supposed to be rescheduling mushrooms soon, so…
00:55:11.830 --> 00:55:12.180 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:55:12.180 --> 00:55:13.970 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah, and I would…
00:55:13.970 --> 00:55:15.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: task force already, they're.
00:55:15.490 --> 00:55:15.870 Reginald Bucksell: Okay.
00:55:15.870 --> 00:55:16.670 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: it here.
00:55:16.670 --> 00:55:23.389 Reginald Bucksell: Yeah, I really am excited to see what comes out of this, and, you know, the help that it brings to this… to the world.
00:55:23.600 --> 00:55:24.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Amen.
00:55:24.700 --> 00:55:29.339 jarededmonds: Right, yeah, no, I appreciate you having us on as well, and
00:55:29.540 --> 00:55:38.819 jarededmonds: for me, it's just… never, never stop, you know what I mean? Like, just keep going, you know? And sometimes, a lot of us are… are…
00:55:38.860 --> 00:55:57.059 jarededmonds: going through things because we gave up when it got tough, you know? And we forget that it's not all easy, and, you know, mushrooms is a way that they can help you to get through those tough moments and keep pushing, you know? These past few months been rough for us, you know what I mean?
00:55:57.060 --> 00:55:57.510 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:55:57.510 --> 00:56:14.930 jarededmonds: And so, with all the changes going on, but, you know, we just gotta keep the mission going, and it goes with all aspects of your life, you know what I mean? Just gotta keep pushing through it, so that's my final words. Amen, amen. Thank you, thank you for your…
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:26.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Being here, I really appreciate having you here to give voice to this big movement that's happening. It's happening all around the world.
00:56:26.490 --> 00:56:44.149 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But it's particularly happening here in the DC, Maryland area in a way that I did not expect it when I met you guys a year and some ago. I was like, wait, what's happening? So thank you, thank you, thank you for being here and sharing your stories and your work.
00:56:44.150 --> 00:56:48.749 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It really just helps us to, like, all know that, like.
00:56:49.310 --> 00:57:05.819 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Psilocybin is more than a medicine, right? It is more than something people use recreationally. It's a therapeutic tool for healing. It's a path… helps to create a path for spiritual growth and transformation.
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:15.659 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so, I agree, I want everyone to have that opportunity who wants it, you know, to be able to have that healing and growth.
00:57:16.140 --> 00:57:36.100 jarededmonds: And if anybody want to join us, they can come out to our sermon, on October the 4th, and we'll be at Great Falls at 10 a.m, and we do nature walks, so we microdose the nature walk. So, just hit us up at thelivingsacrament.com, and you know, it's a link in there that says sermons, you could just
00:57:36.100 --> 00:57:38.510 jarededmonds: Grab some tickets, they're free, everything's free.
00:57:38.510 --> 00:57:41.170 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There you go. Thank you, thank you.
00:57:41.970 --> 00:57:46.850 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Thank you for joining us for this episode of The Expansion Room.
00:57:47.290 --> 00:57:55.479 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: If anything you've heard here has inspired you, make sure you reach out to myself.
00:57:55.500 --> 00:58:12.649 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Through the expansion Room community on the Circle platform, or at my website at Restore Tranquility, to answer any of your questions, or through the Living Sacrament community to get your questions answered. And until next week, be well.
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