This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes executive leadership coach and soulful guide, Cara Jean Wilson.
Cara is known for helping high achievers and entrepreneurs step out of hustle culture and into a more fulfilling way of living and leading. With her unique ability to distill complexity into clarity, she supports people in aligning their work with their deepest purpose—so they can experience more joy, freedom, and meaning in every area of life.
In our conversation, Cara shares insights from her signature framework, The CARA Method, which blends strategic vision with timeless wisdom to create transformation from the inside out. For her, clarity is not just about decision-making, it’s an alchemical process that turns confusion into direction, pressure into presence, and ambition into authentic expression. She shows us how clarity opens the door to connection and community, the true pillars of sustainable success.
From her powerful events like LAW – Life Aligned Work to her intimate coaching, Cara’s work reminds us that success without alignment is empty, but success infused with purpose is gold. This episode will inspire you to pause, realign, and embrace the alchemy that happens when you bring clarity to your business, your relationships, and your inner life.
Tune in and share all of your questions and comments about moving out of the hustle culture to true alignment on our YouTube livestream or on our Facebook page.
Sam Liebowitz opens this episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour by sharing his blog post, “Embracing Change is the Answer to Facing an Uncertain Future.” He reflects on how uncertainty can feel overwhelming, yet by cultivating flexibility, strengthening our inner foundation, and balancing our relationship with information, we can approach life with resilience and openness. Ultimately, he emphasizes that community, presence, and embodying the change we wish to see are the keys to navigating uncertainty while radiating peace and compassion to those around us.
In this segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Kara Jean Wilson shares how her journey into coaching was shaped by curiosity, resilience through failure, and early experiences in leadership. She describes learning the difference between management and leadership while running a pet store team, discovering that true effectiveness comes from supporting others rather than controlling them. Ultimately, this path led her into coaching, where she now empowers individuals to uncover their own wisdom and align with their authentic genius, a shift that deepened during the pandemic when she launched her own practice alongside becoming a new mother.
In this segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Kara Jean Wilson reflects on the lessons she gained transitioning from corporate coaching to running her own practice, emphasizing that repeated challenges are not failures but signs of growth. She shares how releasing attachment to rigid ways of working opens the door to regenerative leadership, where resilience comes from being resourced and rooted in the present moment. By focusing on the “magic three”—our thoughts, words, and actions—she teaches that change itself is not hard; rather, it is our resistance to it, and embracing this truth allows leaders and organizations to thrive with authenticity and humanity.
In this closing segment of The Conscious Consultant Hour, Kara Jean Wilson offers guidance for those anxious about today’s rapid changes, reminding listeners that fear-based belief systems can fuel chaos, while cultivating curiosity and presence helps transform challenges into opportunities. She highlights the importance of shifting from survival-driven reactions to a growth mindset, resourcing ourselves with rest, community, and perspective so we can meet uncertainty with clarity and resilience. Kara concludes by sharing her retreats and offerings, emphasizing that authentic connection and inner alignment empower us to navigate change with peace, purpose, and renewed strength.
00:00:32.430 --> 00:00:43.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity.
00:00:43.470 --> 00:01:04.639 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. I've got a wonderful guest in store for you, I think you'll really love her. But first, of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago. Oh, by the way, did you catch my last week's show? I actually talked all about my trip to China.
00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:23.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, sort of what I noticed about the difference between the last time I was there 15 years ago, kind of an interesting show, no guests last week, so, if you didn't get a chance to check it out, go to the website, talkradio.nyc, and look for Under the Shadow of Dragons.
00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:30.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, so, our blog post for this week is, entitled…
00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:38.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Embracing change is the answer to facing an uncertain future.
00:01:38.710 --> 00:01:42.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Somehow this feels more relevant today than when I wrote it.
00:01:43.530 --> 00:01:48.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The thought of an uncertain future can feel overwhelming.
00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:53.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: With so much constant change, we can feel lost.
00:01:53.500 --> 00:01:55.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What will happen tomorrow?
00:01:55.830 --> 00:01:58.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Next week. Or next year.
00:01:59.650 --> 00:02:02.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: These questions can weigh heavily on us.
00:02:03.580 --> 00:02:08.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet there are steps we can take To navigate this uncertainty.
00:02:09.449 --> 00:02:14.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To approach it with more confidence and resilience.
00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:21.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And release our fear, so we can be more present to what is truly happening.
00:02:22.410 --> 00:02:27.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is important to remember that change is a natural part of life.
00:02:28.210 --> 00:02:31.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Instead of resisting or fearing it.
00:02:31.980 --> 00:02:34.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can be curious about it.
00:02:35.050 --> 00:02:40.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can shift our perspective and find a more empowered way to cope.
00:02:42.330 --> 00:02:49.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Embracing change as an opportunity for growth and learning is one way.
00:02:51.100 --> 00:02:56.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This can help us approach the future with a sense of openness.
00:02:57.940 --> 00:03:02.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Another way To prepare for an uncertain future.
00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:08.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is by cultivating our internal flexibility.
00:03:09.320 --> 00:03:16.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Being adaptable allows us to adjust our plans as situations evolve.
00:03:16.920 --> 00:03:23.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can also start a practice of seeing change as an opportunity for new possibilities.
00:03:25.170 --> 00:03:31.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This will help us navigate the unexpected with more ease and creativity.
00:03:32.300 --> 00:03:36.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For when we are stressed, our creativity decreases.
00:03:36.600 --> 00:03:40.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we are open, our creativity rises.
00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:47.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Another crucial aspect is creating a strong internal foundation.
00:03:48.100 --> 00:03:55.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Focus on developing our skills, knowledge, and practice emotional resilience.
00:03:55.850 --> 00:03:57.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By having a habit.
00:03:58.410 --> 00:04:07.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Constant learning and growing, we can equip ourselves with the tools we need to face whatever challenges come our way.
00:04:08.100 --> 00:04:15.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Also, it is important to strike a balance between knowing what is going on in the world.
00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:20.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And becoming overwhelmed by the constant input of mass media.
00:04:21.589 --> 00:04:27.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: While it is important to be aware of what is happening in the world.
00:04:27.590 --> 00:04:32.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Immersing ourselves in news can be very disempowering.
00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:42.959 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to find a healthy balance that allows us to stay informed without sacrificing our mental well-being.
00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:51.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Lastly, widening our perspectives and looking at the long-term view can be really helpful.
00:04:52.080 --> 00:05:02.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Instead of solely focusing on the immediate future, try to envision how things might unfold over the course of years or decades.
00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: This broader perspective can help us see the bigger picture.
00:05:08.100 --> 00:05:16.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we can find our center, and then we can find our center even in the middle of uncertainty.
00:05:17.990 --> 00:05:22.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Preparing for an uncertain future is an ongoing practice.
00:05:22.370 --> 00:05:34.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By learning to embrace change, cultivate flexibility, invest in our own personal growth, and finding a healthy balance with information.
00:05:34.420 --> 00:05:39.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: While widening our perspective, we can be resilient in the face of change.
00:05:40.400 --> 00:05:49.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we will be better able to navigate the unknown future And find peace within ourselves.
00:05:51.310 --> 00:05:55.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So where can you cultivate the practices in your own life?
00:05:56.140 --> 00:06:02.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: these practices in your life. Are you ready to face an uncertain future?
00:06:03.410 --> 00:06:12.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, I believe, I don't quite remember, but I believe this blog post kind of came from a conversation I was having with a client.
00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:20.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who's very fearful about the future, and what was going on in the world, and all this stuff happening.
00:06:23.690 --> 00:06:29.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet, when I questioned them, and I kind of drilled down, I was like, well.
00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:35.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what's going on in your daily life? Is what's happening out there, is it really…
00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Affecting you in your day-to-day life right now.
00:06:40.690 --> 00:06:43.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And they were thinking about it for a while.
00:06:43.180 --> 00:06:49.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And they were like, no, not really, except just, you know, people seem more stressed, not just me. Okay, I get it.
00:06:51.850 --> 00:06:57.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… When we continue the conversation.
00:06:57.790 --> 00:07:01.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I guess I just related some stories around how
00:07:02.170 --> 00:07:04.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I had to be very flexible
00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:08.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in uncertain situations, and I've shared in the past
00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:26.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: About how while I was on vacation with my wife, she got the call from her niece that her sister had cancer, and she decided to go off in the moment and go to China to see her sister, and I was there, still out in Colorado for a couple of weeks without her. And that's just one example. I've had many, many
00:07:26.940 --> 00:07:33.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: times over my lifetime where I've really had to go with the flow, where I really had to just…
00:07:33.940 --> 00:07:49.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: be flexible, because I just didn't have a choice. You know, it wasn't like I was like, oh, I'm gonna cultivate a flexibility practice. No, it was just, like, life threw one bucket of water on top of me after another, and I was just like, okay, I guess I gotta, like.
00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just enjoy being wet for a while, you know?
00:07:53.650 --> 00:07:56.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, it was kind of a learning by fire.
00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what's happened is.
00:08:01.140 --> 00:08:08.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And especially because in recent years, I've gotten much more comfortable with flexibility, much more comfortable with, like.
00:08:09.150 --> 00:08:29.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not being attached with how things are supposed to or not supposed to go, not being attached to, like, this is what it's gotta look like, and, you know, this person's supposed to show up at this time, and we have to do this at this way, and that time. I've gotten to be like, okay, whatever it is, is. And, you know, if it's something I can do something about, I will.
00:08:29.020 --> 00:08:30.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if it's not, I won't.
00:08:30.900 --> 00:08:37.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'll just show up and be curious. Okay, if this is happening, it's happening for a reason, what's the lesson?
00:08:37.690 --> 00:08:47.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what am I not seeing? What is the broader perspective? What is going on? And so, as I'm relating all this to the person, I could just see their face. It went from…
00:08:48.050 --> 00:08:51.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, stress and pain to astonishment.
00:08:52.170 --> 00:08:55.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To, like, all of a sudden they settled into this, like, peaceful place.
00:08:57.340 --> 00:09:03.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then I knew that, like, oh, I guess this is something that's helpful to share.
00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:11.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I do feel today, more than even a couple of years ago when I wrote this.
00:09:13.190 --> 00:09:16.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We do live in a more uncertain time.
00:09:16.820 --> 00:09:18.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an uncertain future.
00:09:19.190 --> 00:09:34.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And look, I'm the first person to admit, when I think about the future, when I think about everything going on in the world, what's going on in our environment, the ecological disaster, the division in the world, the political situa… I mean, just add it all up.
00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:45.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I get overwhelmed. You know, I get too much, which is why I say, like, sometimes limiting how much we expose ourselves to news can be really, really helpful.
00:09:45.800 --> 00:09:51.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, I… what I do? I don't watch the news, I don't watch CNN,
00:09:52.170 --> 00:09:57.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I subscribe to a couple of newsletters that kind of summarize the big events of the world.
00:09:58.070 --> 00:10:06.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I read the headlines, I read the little paragraph. If it's something that I really feel I need to know more about, I'll go and dig into it. Otherwise, it's just…
00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:14.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, I know what's going on in general, I'm good, I don't have to marinate in it, and I can move on with my day.
00:10:14.890 --> 00:10:18.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I find that that helps quite a bit.
00:10:18.470 --> 00:10:34.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, you know, sometimes, because I do subscribe to a number of different blogs and emails, I do get a blog that's like, you know, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, and I kind of feel like, oh my god, what's going on in the world today? And I do feel awful for a while.
00:10:36.100 --> 00:10:52.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Until I do something like my show today with a wonderful guest, or I have a conversation with a colleague or a client, and just through that connection, I feel better. And that's actually a key thing I didn't put in this blog post.
00:10:52.950 --> 00:10:58.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So by listening today, you're getting the extra secret sauce, Which is community.
00:11:00.070 --> 00:11:06.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we can connect with people who support us.
00:11:06.770 --> 00:11:16.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who we can relate to. Who suddenly we have this sense of belonging with, Like, that can shift everything.
00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:24.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That can shift feeling down about our life, about what's going on around us, about, you know, what's going on at work.
00:11:27.030 --> 00:11:29.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Community really is the secret weapon.
00:11:32.760 --> 00:11:38.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we find the people who we resonate with, and they resonate with us.
00:11:39.790 --> 00:11:44.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Who are like-minded, like-hearted, like-spirited.
00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:46.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, that can uplift us.
00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:54.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then we can focus on not just what's wrong with the world, but what can we do about it?
00:11:57.280 --> 00:12:02.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And in the end, it always comes down to the same thing, at least for myself.
00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:08.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As Gandhi said, be the change you want to see in the world.
00:12:09.400 --> 00:12:13.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There are problems in the world, there's challenges in the world.
00:12:13.390 --> 00:12:16.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then we have to embody the solution.
00:12:17.310 --> 00:12:24.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So surrounding ourselves with fellow travelers who also believe in embodying the solution.
00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:37.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can be a very powerful way to deal with uncertainty, you know, the unknown, and learning to be flexible with what's going on around us.
00:12:38.760 --> 00:12:40.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean, the one thing is for certain.
00:12:41.050 --> 00:12:42.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Only one thing is for certain.
00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:46.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Change is not going away.
00:12:46.470 --> 00:12:48.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If anything, it's speeding up.
00:12:49.620 --> 00:12:53.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Tomorrow's gonna be very different than we think it's going to be.
00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:58.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:07.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more we resist what is, the more we suffer. It's a Buddhist concept.
00:13:08.010 --> 00:13:12.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more we resist the change that's going on around us.
00:13:12.160 --> 00:13:15.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The more difficulty and the more challenges we're going to have.
00:13:17.090 --> 00:13:19.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Look, we don't have to like it.
00:13:19.820 --> 00:13:22.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We don't have to be, like…
00:13:22.990 --> 00:13:28.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, yeah, I love the fact that, you know, people are more anxious than they used to be. No, of course not.
00:13:30.020 --> 00:13:40.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we can't bury our head in the sand. We can't ignore the fact. The more we resist it, the more we're just giving ourselves anxiety and stress and trouble.
00:13:41.110 --> 00:13:45.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the more we accept, like, okay, this is the reality I'm living in.
00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:52.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what can I do? How do I have to be? How do I have to show up in the world
00:13:54.910 --> 00:14:07.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to be the answer to this. How can I be more kind, more loving, more accepting, more of a peacemaker, more… more of a community builder who brings people together?
00:14:09.510 --> 00:14:15.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just by us showing up differently, We can't change anybody else.
00:14:16.040 --> 00:14:18.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we can affect those around us.
00:14:18.730 --> 00:14:23.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: By shifting our energy, and the energy we're giving off.
00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:26.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The people around us will feel that.
00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:30.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's not about the knowing, it's what they're gonna feel
00:14:30.580 --> 00:14:42.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when they feel that difference, they feel safer with us, they feel more peaceful around us, they'll start to embody that if they're open to it, and then they'll affect the people around that.
00:14:45.400 --> 00:14:49.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So by changing ourselves, we can truly change the world around us.
00:14:50.510 --> 00:14:54.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And ultimately, that's the answer to facing an uncertain future.
00:14:56.190 --> 00:15:00.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's why I entitled this blog post, Embracing Change.
00:15:01.030 --> 00:15:02.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is the answer.
00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:04.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To facing an uncertain future.
00:15:05.070 --> 00:15:15.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because when we embrace it, Then those around us are feeling less nervous about an uncertain future.
00:15:16.390 --> 00:15:26.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's my blog post. I hope you enjoyed it. Of course, you can always find it on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:15:26.400 --> 00:15:34.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, or on the station's website, www.talkradio.nyc slash blog.
00:15:35.070 --> 00:15:45.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show Executive Leadership Coach and Soulful Guide, Kara Jean Wilson.
00:15:45.850 --> 00:15:59.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Kara is known for helping high achievers and entrepreneurs step out of the hustle culture and into a more fulfilling way of living and leading. With her unique ability to distill complexity into clarity.
00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:08.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: She supports people in aligning their work with their deepest purpose, so they can experience more joy, freedom, and meaning in every area of life.
00:16:09.220 --> 00:16:20.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Her signature framework, the CARA Method, hmm, wonder where she got that from, blends strategic vision and timeless wisdom to create transformation from the inside out.
00:16:20.410 --> 00:16:33.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For her, clarity is not just about decision-making, it's an alchemical process that turns confusion into direction, pressure into presence, and ambition into authentic expression.
00:16:34.010 --> 00:16:42.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: She shows us how clarity opens the door to connection and community, the true pillars of sustainable success.
00:16:42.270 --> 00:16:44.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Kara.
00:16:45.130 --> 00:16:56.389 Cara Wilson: Thank you, Sam, I'm so excited. I loved that entire blog post. I have so many notes, like, I know nobody can see this, but I have a whole page of notes I took from that, like, yes, yes.
00:16:56.520 --> 00:16:58.480 Cara Wilson: Yes.
00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:10.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Totally, totally. Good thing we're very much aligned, which is why I wanted to have you on the show. We're kind of a little bit over time, so how about… let's do this, Kara.
00:17:10.290 --> 00:17:18.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because I always like starting off kind of talking about your own journey and your own process a little bit. So, why don't we do our commercial break first?
00:17:18.790 --> 00:17:35.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then when we come back, let's just dive into, you know, what was the path that brought you to what you're doing today? Like, you know, were you like Lucy from the Peanuts when you were a little kid? Like, give me a quarter and I'll listen to all your problems? Or was this something that kind of evolved later in life, okay?
00:17:36.060 --> 00:17:36.630 Cara Wilson: Yes.
00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:56.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Thursday, 12 noon to 1 p.m. Eastern Time, right here on talkradio.nyc, and all over social media, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Twitch. And we'll be right back with our guest, Kara Jean Wilson, in just a moment.
00:20:12.040 --> 00:20:21.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We're talking this hour with executive leadership coach Kara Jean Wilson.
00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:32.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Kara, so… so… like I said in the beginning, so when you were a little kid, were, like, all the other little kids coming to you, telling you their problems? Like, like, how did you manage to become a coach?
00:20:32.620 --> 00:20:52.469 Cara Wilson: You know, in hindsight, which is always 10-10 right, I do believe that I have been on this trajectory forever, but no, I don't know that you would look at little Kara and be like, oh yeah, she's definitely gonna grow up to be a coach. I was definitely bossy, I was definitely inquisitive, and most of that was because I just didn't…
00:20:52.650 --> 00:20:57.979 Cara Wilson: I feel like everyone else got a handbook on how to human, and I just didn't get that.
00:20:58.300 --> 00:21:00.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I like that.
00:21:00.070 --> 00:21:13.080 Cara Wilson: So I had questions. I had lots of questions. And I learned early on that if you ask questions in relation to what is happening in present moment, you don't get in trouble as much for talking in class.
00:21:13.870 --> 00:21:14.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Night.
00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:18.659 Cara Wilson: So I took that and ran with it. I…
00:21:19.100 --> 00:21:27.019 Cara Wilson: I find it interesting that you talked about change as the blog post, because it's through that constantness of change
00:21:27.100 --> 00:21:44.510 Cara Wilson: that I got comfortable, not only in my own meat soup, hormone soup experience, but in doing that with others, and really holding the space for that present moment what is, versus the what could be in the future, or what was in the past.
00:21:44.850 --> 00:21:48.950 Cara Wilson: Instead of time traveling, just bringing people back to this moment.
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:49.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:21:50.070 --> 00:21:58.540 Cara Wilson: Yeah. Lots of trauma, lots of drama, and so much failure is how I ended up where I am today. I call myself a failure expert.
00:21:58.760 --> 00:22:12.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, one time I had someone give me a reading, and they said, I think it was in astrology, and they said, oh, you're here to make all the mistakes and tell everyone else how not to make those mistakes? I'm like, oh geez, why did I pick that soul path?
00:22:13.410 --> 00:22:16.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I'm curious, what were you doing before you became a coach?
00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:30.560 Cara Wilson: I was in… so I have been in leadership since I was 15 in a foreign country. My family… Wow. Yeah, my family downsized. My dad was CEO of CityCorp back in the 80s. He ran the whole Pacific Division.
00:22:30.730 --> 00:22:31.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:36.459 Cara Wilson: And we, yeah, we lived that life through the 80s and 90s, and then…
00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:57.409 Cara Wilson: I don't think this is going to come as a giant to shock to anyone listening, because it sounds like you work with pretty conscious human beings. That path, while on the outside, looks really pretty and shiny, and it's absolutely what we say, oh, this is what success is, but on the inside, it comes with anxiety, depression, heart problems, obesity, like…
00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:01.190 Cara Wilson: the people who are succeeding don't feel like they're succeeding.
00:23:02.040 --> 00:23:04.219 Cara Wilson: Not a great human path.
00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:08.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Probably why AI does so well in that space, you know what I mean? Yeah.
00:23:08.560 --> 00:23:09.150 Cara Wilson: Huh.
00:23:09.460 --> 00:23:17.419 Cara Wilson: And so they… my folks realized that this was slowly killing them, and that was not something that they wanted to model.
00:23:17.760 --> 00:23:19.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: their kid, right?
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:26.750 Cara Wilson: there had to be a better way. So we downsized, sold the house, quit the job, downsized into an RV, and then traveled Mexico for 2 years.
00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:27.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:23:27.770 --> 00:23:29.370 Cara Wilson: It was incredible.
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:46.700 Cara Wilson: On that trip, I got my first management job. One of the places we stayed opened up a beachfront hamburger stand, and I had good math sense. So, at 15, I got put in charge of a bunch of 20-year-olds and told to run a restaurant.
00:23:47.060 --> 00:23:49.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, wow.
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:54.029 Cara Wilson: In a language that I very least spoke. I learned it real fast. Boy, nothing like immersion.
00:23:54.030 --> 00:23:59.369 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah, really. Nothing like putting your feet to the fire to really get you to run, right?
00:23:59.370 --> 00:24:10.020 Cara Wilson: Yeah, and I managed… I had management position after management after management position. It wasn't until I was 24, and living in Texas.
00:24:10.410 --> 00:24:26.420 Cara Wilson: when I was managing the things that you can only do in your 20s, right? So I was managing a sales force, a door-to-door filter queen, vacuum cleaner sales, during the day, and then I was bartending and helping, keep, like, like.
00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:29.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Self-manage a restaurant. It was the key.
00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:36.829 Cara Wilson: During the afternoon evenings, and then going to the bars and closing them down, and then wash, rinse, and repeat, right? And I was…
00:24:36.830 --> 00:24:53.250 Cara Wilson: person in charge in the morning, and person in charge in the afternoon, and I usually ran the group that was out partying, making sure people… right? So I was in charge all of the time, and I thought, you know, what would be so good is if I got another job where I wasn't in charge.
00:24:55.560 --> 00:25:09.779 Cara Wilson: only 20-year-old brains think, right? So I did, I started applying, and I went to a pet store, and I thought, oh, this is gonna be the best. Because if there's animals, there's poop. I might be a city girl, but I was also raised on farms. I've got a whole bunch of duality in me.
00:25:09.780 --> 00:25:10.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I was like.
00:25:10.470 --> 00:25:19.870 Cara Wilson: Animal. I could be poop girl. I could just clean up, I could go in, clean up the animals, no one would mess with me, and then I could… it would be the most relaxing job ever.
00:25:20.030 --> 00:25:30.200 Cara Wilson: So I went in, and the cashier was checking me out, and I said, hey, are you guys hiring for, like, cleaners or any of those things? And she goes, yeah, do you have any management experience?
00:25:30.990 --> 00:25:37.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, but not in… I've never worked in a pet store. She's like, that's cool, can you start at 5 tomorrow?
00:25:40.060 --> 00:25:42.440 Cara Wilson: I got hired on the spot to manage
00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:47.640 Cara Wilson: a… an industry that I had literally no idea. I knew…
00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:54.839 Cara Wilson: nothing. And as a manager, your job is to make sure that people do their job, but I don't know what their job is. I have no idea.
00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:55.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:25:55.970 --> 00:26:00.899 Cara Wilson: that was when I learned the difference between management and leadership, and I think that that was really where.
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:01.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is tradition.
00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:03.750 Cara Wilson: The trajectory suddenly took off.
00:26:04.100 --> 00:26:10.309 Cara Wilson: Because I went in on my first day, and I… I went and introduced myself to everybody. I was like, hi, I'm your new boss.
00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:23.490 Cara Wilson: And I don't know what that means, because I don't know what you need. So here's what I need from you. I need you to make me a list of all the things that you need to make your job easier, because my job is to make sure you do your job.
00:26:23.620 --> 00:26:28.109 Cara Wilson: And I know I can… if I can help make it easier, then there's a better chance you're gonna do your job.
00:26:28.660 --> 00:26:34.139 Cara Wilson: And they kind of just looked at me like, mmm… I don't… mmm…
00:26:36.370 --> 00:26:42.199 Cara Wilson: One of the employees was hoping to get the position that I got hired for, so he's very upset.
00:26:42.820 --> 00:26:49.190 Cara Wilson: he gave me, I want to say, like, 14 pages, like, 7 pages, two-sided, small font list.
00:26:49.650 --> 00:26:50.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of things.
00:26:50.570 --> 00:26:51.510 Cara Wilson: be needed.
00:26:52.110 --> 00:26:52.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:58.260 Cara Wilson: So I just started checking them off. I think by the end of the first day, we were several pages in to the list.
00:26:58.260 --> 00:26:59.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:26:59.100 --> 00:27:01.780 Cara Wilson: And he was like, but you… wait, you're gonna…
00:27:02.110 --> 00:27:04.310 Cara Wilson: you're gonna do it? And I was like, well…
00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:18.310 Cara Wilson: yes, if this is what you need to get your job, and my job is to make sure you do your job, I need to make sure you have what you need to do your… like, that just makes sense, right? And he's like, but you're not going to tell me how I should use it, or why I don't need that thing? I was like, I don't know any of that!
00:27:18.310 --> 00:27:21.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, you're stupid enough.
00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:26.599 Cara Wilson: Oh, you don't know anything. This is my first time in this building, so no.
00:27:26.760 --> 00:27:41.130 Cara Wilson: And it so completely shook the entire crew that I… our numbers started doubling. We started selling better, we started producing better, the space was cleaner, the animals were happier.
00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:41.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:27:41.590 --> 00:27:52.710 Cara Wilson: And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you mean I have been monitoring people and checking in on them and hover… like, Siegel Manager, like, Confessions of a terrible manager, me, all the way. I did all of those things.
00:27:53.710 --> 00:28:00.739 Cara Wilson: And then I learned you didn't have to. You could literally just show up where they needed you, how they needed you, to help them.
00:28:01.110 --> 00:28:05.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is so much easier. Let's just do this.
00:28:06.010 --> 00:28:06.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:28:06.580 --> 00:28:10.369 Cara Wilson: And then I discovered coaching. And coaching was all of that.
00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:21.929 Cara Wilson: on the good side of it, and even less of the manager 4C thing. I literally get to show up with people wherever it is that they are. My BS aside.
00:28:22.470 --> 00:28:30.179 Cara Wilson: and ask them, which I like to ask questions, so I gotta ask them questions to get them to be the genius, because what I know
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.000 Cara Wilson: is that… When you need advice.
00:28:34.310 --> 00:28:38.120 Cara Wilson: You need expert advice, especially if you are in business.
00:28:39.330 --> 00:28:46.550 Cara Wilson: And the best expert to give you advice about what you are doing and how you are doing it is you.
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:52.919 Cara Wilson: Because you're the only one who has done what you do, how you do it, as long as you've been around to do that.
00:28:55.020 --> 00:28:56.719 Cara Wilson: But taking a minute to stop.
00:28:56.860 --> 00:29:05.579 Cara Wilson: And ask ourselves those questions is really hard, so having somebody else ask them to you, and then raise their eyebrows so you have to answer.
00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:08.769 Cara Wilson: really pulls good stuff. People are geniuses.
00:29:08.770 --> 00:29:16.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cool, cool, that's interesting. So, so what made you make the switch to hop from management to coaching?
00:29:17.890 --> 00:29:27.800 Cara Wilson: I was internal, so I coached internally. I got brought onto a restaurant, and then asked to help develop their internal management training system.
00:29:28.840 --> 00:29:39.750 Cara Wilson: And got certified in coaching for that, thinking I was going to continue on the corporate path. And then we noted some spots of misleading, no shade on the company, still a beautiful, beautiful company.
00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:43.600 Cara Wilson: And we came out of alignment during the pandemic.
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:51.250 Cara Wilson: So I figured, you know, with all of the free time that I was gonna have on maternity leave.
00:29:51.860 --> 00:29:53.390 Cara Wilson: Start a new business! That'll be easy.
00:29:53.390 --> 00:30:07.949 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, sure, that's what every newborn mother should do, is just start a business. Yeah, so I took my first client within a week of having my baby, and I didn't have another one for 6 months.
00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:14.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So basically, you had two babies at the same time.
00:30:14.340 --> 00:30:15.570 Cara Wilson: Yes.
00:30:17.060 --> 00:30:18.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Got it, got it.
00:30:19.790 --> 00:30:23.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now I know a new definition of a sucker for punishment, okay.
00:30:23.630 --> 00:30:29.199 Cara Wilson: Nobody laughed in my face. I really feel like someone at some point in that process should have been like, look, you idiot.
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:36.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. Or you crazy person, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be a little kinder, I'd just say you're crazy, not me.
00:30:36.990 --> 00:30:39.889 Cara Wilson: Other people are nicer, that's true. Yes, yes.
00:30:39.890 --> 00:30:41.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cool.
00:30:41.820 --> 00:30:48.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So many questions, but, let's take the next break.
00:30:49.100 --> 00:30:52.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And when we come back, I wanna talk about…
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:03.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, what you learned once you went off on your own, and how coaching on your own is different from coaching within an organization.
00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:10.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And sort of what was your own internal evolution during that process? What did you learn about yourself in that process?
00:31:10.610 --> 00:31:11.140 Cara Wilson: Oh, yeah.
00:31:11.140 --> 00:31:12.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:31:12.370 --> 00:31:12.920 Cara Wilson: Yes.
00:31:13.450 --> 00:31:25.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful. So, everyone, please stay tuned. We're listening to… you're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity, and we'll be right back with our guests, Kara Jean Wilson, in just a moment.
00:31:28.930 --> 00:31:29.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In just a moment.
00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:44.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. So, Kara, I have to ask you, you look like you're in the middle of a forest somewhere. Where are you?
00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:57.360 Cara Wilson: I am, am in Lost Valley, Oregon, which is in Dexter, which is just outside of Eugene. Lost Valley is an eco-village and education center.
00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:59.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I am living there.
00:33:59.630 --> 00:34:03.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wonderful, wonderful. It's beautiful. I have to come visit you out there sometime.
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:13.399 Cara Wilson: Yes, do. They have a Community Week coming up mid-October. 10 out of 10, if you can make it over here, do suggest. It will be absolutely life-affirming.
00:34:13.409 --> 00:34:15.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wonderful, wonderful, cool, cool.
00:34:16.029 --> 00:34:28.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, I wanted to ask you, you know, you mentioned how, you know, the pandemic happened, you left that business, you had a baby, started your coaching business all at the same time.
00:34:29.499 --> 00:34:30.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: what…
00:34:30.809 --> 00:34:45.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: happened over those first, like, year or two of your coaching business? Like, what were the challenges that you had to face that really helped you to see what the difference is between coaching as a business as opposed to coaching within an organization?
00:34:47.870 --> 00:35:08.919 Cara Wilson: I've been thinking about this the entire break, how I would answer that question, because I don't think that it's a simple thing that I can answer. There's, like, not, like, one great… There were so many. I… I knew I was doing well, when every week I had to take a big breath and then scream at the ceiling, I processed this already!
00:35:10.290 --> 00:35:27.619 Cara Wilson: kept coming back, but at new levels, and I learned that that was actually a sign of success, and not the failure that I had been programmed to beat myself up for, right? That was a big, big one. I learned a lot about the difference between the way, air quote, and
00:35:28.040 --> 00:35:36.889 Cara Wilson: a way, right? What I found in business is everybody knew what the way of that business was, and boy, you had to do it that way.
00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:40.030 Cara Wilson: Regardless of what you needed.
00:35:40.490 --> 00:35:51.519 Cara Wilson: And then in… when you went off into your own business, you had lines of people ready to tell you what the way… and each one of them had a different way, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.
00:35:53.100 --> 00:36:10.150 Cara Wilson: And that's what took me down the path that I ended up. I learned that you don't have to do organization charts, you can build ecosystems. That leadership doesn't have to be just developed, it can be regenerative. That resilience can come to a point where it's past performative.
00:36:10.290 --> 00:36:11.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: passed…
00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:22.130 Cara Wilson: Productive into this level of proficient that you do so much less and achieve so much more by being resourced.
00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:24.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, what do you mean by being resourced?
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:29.430 Cara Wilson: A lot of it is mindset.
00:36:29.730 --> 00:36:30.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:36:30.330 --> 00:36:38.750 Cara Wilson: I would say that that is true, but it really is the… so I talk… we… in my bio, we talked about the hustle cold, right? Like, that there is this programming, since
00:36:38.910 --> 00:36:45.839 Cara Wilson: before the second century. Like, this is a long-standing generational pattern that your job.
00:36:45.840 --> 00:37:02.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is to go out and push and push and push to exhaustion, because that means that you're productive, and that means you're a good employee, and that means you're employable and a productive member, and if you're not doing that, there's something inherently wrong with you, and you're a failure. Whoo! It's just a whole spiral experience in that place.
00:37:03.490 --> 00:37:04.490 Cara Wilson: And…
00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:20.279 Cara Wilson: as I stepped out of that, as I allowed myself space, as I… as I navigated the high levels of fear and frustration that being an entrepreneur and riding the waves comes with.
00:37:21.470 --> 00:37:30.919 Cara Wilson: I really got to understand not just the biology of what was happening to me, because I'm neuro-spicy and I like to have the facts to back things up.
00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:54.780 Cara Wilson: But I also understood the humanness, and why, back in the 80s, woo-woo was such a blasted term, right? That's when it came up, because, heaven forbid, we bring the human in. No, what we'd like is for you to leave half of yourself at the door, and then still somehow show up holy. Which, if you're gonna be an authentic person, the mess is part of it.
00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:55.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:37:55.420 --> 00:38:02.140 Cara Wilson: I think that… I have a whole system around the T of life, trust, empower, and align, and it…
00:38:03.330 --> 00:38:23.170 Cara Wilson: it sounds really simple, which means, like, insultingly simple, which means it will be the hardest work of your life, and it is that swirl, right? That constant change. I'm gonna tie it into your blog post, and I'm gonna do it in a Kara Method way, so you can see the whole thing. Are you ready?
00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:23.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yep.
00:38:23.710 --> 00:38:32.050 Cara Wilson: We're gonna clarify. We're gonna clarify some BS, some belief systems, some habits that we've created around a belief system, a mindset, right? Which is that change is hard.
00:38:33.870 --> 00:38:39.239 Cara Wilson: This is a known thing. People talk about this constantly. No pay, no gain, change is hard.
00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:52.229 Cara Wilson: And then I'm gonna… I'm gonna assess that… that clarity. We know this, right? It's so clear that this is it, but I'm gonna assess that. I'm gonna… I'm gonna challenge that a little bit, and we're gonna look at the reality, because you're a meat suit full of hormone soup.
00:38:52.490 --> 00:38:55.790 Cara Wilson: At a baseline, basic level, right?
00:38:56.130 --> 00:39:04.900 Cara Wilson: And you are currently both being reborn and dying right now. Are you in pain? Are you okay? Is it hard?
00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:06.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nope.
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.369 Cara Wilson: Weird, right? In fact, If you think back over your life.
00:39:12.750 --> 00:39:17.670 Cara Wilson: Is there anything today that is the same as when you were born?
00:39:17.670 --> 00:39:18.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nope.
00:39:18.830 --> 00:39:26.360 Cara Wilson: Hmm, so change is constant. Change is actually the only constant that you can rely on in life.
00:39:27.430 --> 00:39:30.439 Cara Wilson: Maybe it's not that change is hard.
00:39:31.050 --> 00:39:36.620 Cara Wilson: Could it be that our attachment to how things should be.
00:39:36.730 --> 00:39:38.939 Cara Wilson: Is causing ourselves harm.
00:39:39.070 --> 00:39:40.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Exactly.
00:39:40.060 --> 00:39:52.499 Cara Wilson: Hmm, right, and if that… if that's true, if we can agree that that… okay, so it really isn't that change is hard, but it is my expectations of how I think I, or you, or the world is supposed to change, and then…
00:39:52.600 --> 00:40:00.200 Cara Wilson: when life… lives, right? Because life's whole job is to life all over what plans you make. Life, am I right? Come on.
00:40:00.200 --> 00:40:01.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yep.
00:40:02.270 --> 00:40:09.510 Cara Wilson: then we can create a new BS, a new belief system, and build some new habits around the reality that change is a constant opportunity.
00:40:10.100 --> 00:40:10.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:40:12.250 --> 00:40:24.219 Cara Wilson: And opportunities can be challenging, right? That can be hard, but it doesn't have to be. It gets to be an opportunity. And if you can make that shift, if you can start to decide simply first to think that way.
00:40:24.660 --> 00:40:25.440 Cara Wilson: Step 1.
00:40:26.120 --> 00:40:35.009 Cara Wilson: And then start to sort of speak that. When people say things… change is hard, you can go, well, my attachment to change is hard, and start speaking that difference.
00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:35.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:40:35.870 --> 00:40:41.010 Cara Wilson: But you will see are opportunities showing up to confirm that in your life. Behavior will lead.
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:49.399 Cara Wilson: I call this the Magic 3, in a world of chaos, where you have actually very little that you are in control of.
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:50.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, yeah, absolutely.
00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:55.559 Cara Wilson: If… you can let go of control, and I get… that's like a whole job.
00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:57.080 Cara Wilson: Without its face.
00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:58.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:09.269 Cara Wilson: But if you can, then there's only 3 things that you have control over. The way you think, the way you speak, and the way you behave. That's it. But with that, you have power, control, and impact. It's all you need.
00:41:11.700 --> 00:41:19.469 Cara Wilson: And so when we assess and realign around that magic 3, and what is versus what was or what could be.
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:26.079 Cara Wilson: That's when we get that present moment regenerative resilience that allows us to…
00:41:26.690 --> 00:41:35.450 Cara Wilson: adapt to what is happening, because we have. We already have so many skills. You've done that, literally, if you have grown up.
00:41:35.450 --> 00:41:36.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You hooked up.
00:41:36.070 --> 00:41:36.630 Cara Wilson: that.
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:38.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:41:38.910 --> 00:41:39.829 Cara Wilson: So you can do it again.
00:41:40.550 --> 00:41:48.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. And in fact, we're constantly doing it because we're constantly reinventing ourselves with every challenge that comes our way.
00:41:49.290 --> 00:41:49.910 Cara Wilson: God.
00:41:50.680 --> 00:41:57.709 Cara Wilson: From a business point of view, right? So if we step out of the woo-woo space and just go straight into the concrete, analytical corporate zone, right?
00:41:58.450 --> 00:42:03.069 Cara Wilson: in a tangible, real way. That is the understanding
00:42:03.950 --> 00:42:07.539 Cara Wilson: That being in the present moment allows you to impact change.
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:25.450 Cara Wilson: And while you absolutely need a vision to drive towards. And you want to understand what happened, we literally created an entire lean management system, so instead of attaching to what was, we leverage what worked so we can find more of what worked.
00:42:26.370 --> 00:42:27.790 Cara Wilson: and move forward.
00:42:29.680 --> 00:42:31.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. Right.
00:42:31.660 --> 00:42:34.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Exactly. So, it's not…
00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:52.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Holding on to past successes, but learning from them, so that we can see, okay, this aspect of what worked, worked, and this aspect of what worked actually wasn't so good, so now we can iterate, take the good stuff, and maybe tweak the not-so-good stuff a little bit, so we can do even better next time.
00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:53.770 Cara Wilson: Yeah.
00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:55.170 Cara Wilson: Yeah.
00:42:56.660 --> 00:42:58.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Pretty simple. And we know this in business.
00:42:58.350 --> 00:43:01.920 Cara Wilson: Right, right, insultingly simple, which means hardest work of your life, yes.
00:43:04.870 --> 00:43:05.950 Cara Wilson: In my experience, yes.
00:43:05.950 --> 00:43:07.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes.
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, when you work with leaders today.
00:43:13.640 --> 00:43:21.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you find they're more open than maybe they were when you started, or less open than when you started to this kind of a message?
00:43:23.690 --> 00:43:28.450 Cara Wilson: That's such a good question. Do I find that leaders are more open?
00:43:28.450 --> 00:43:44.990 Cara Wilson: I would say my personal, like, my one-on-one clients, I don't know that I would notice a change there. However, when I go into corporations and help create trainings, like, I'm working with Transon Leadership and Treetop Farms, they're a big applesauce company over here on the West Coast.
00:43:44.990 --> 00:43:45.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, okay.
00:43:46.130 --> 00:44:09.869 Cara Wilson: And we're doing this whole performance culture rollout. It is incredible. When we started, they didn't even want us to use the words emotional intelligence together, because they were concerned about the eye rolls that they were gonna get. In level 2 or 3… Level 3? We built in some breathwork training to it, right? And they had… you have to make sure that this is optional. Nobody is going to want to stay.
00:44:09.970 --> 00:44:21.370 Cara Wilson: They now use emotional intelligence almost on the daily at work, because that language so connected with them, and every single person stayed for the breathwork classes.
00:44:21.720 --> 00:44:22.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:24.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:32.749 Cara Wilson: So I don't know that the people have changed, become more receptive. I think the corporate entity.
00:44:32.780 --> 00:44:33.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cat.
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:34.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, so…
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:53.420 Cara Wilson: 8, 50, 40, 50 years ago, when woo-woo got coined as a negative, and then we started calling them soft skills to, like, brush them aside. Fast forward, and now we have AI that can take care of a lot of that analytical, a lot of that data. If there's an app for it, there's a bot for it.
00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:54.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's something.
00:44:54.060 --> 00:44:56.889 Cara Wilson: Something like that that can take care of it, but that people part…
00:44:57.410 --> 00:44:59.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We went through a pandemic and discovered.
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.360 Cara Wilson: like, Columbus-style discovery. Oh my gosh, who knew that this could be the case? That all businesses are made up of people?
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:07.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:16.330 Cara Wilson: All businesses create things for people, so that peop… turns out, peopling is a really important skill.
00:45:19.350 --> 00:45:22.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely, absolutely.
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:24.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oof!
00:45:25.250 --> 00:45:31.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That was good. That was good. I need to take a moment, I need to take a breath just to absorb all of that.
00:45:31.620 --> 00:45:34.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I think we're gonna take our last break of the show.
00:45:35.130 --> 00:45:37.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what we'll do when we come back.
00:45:37.730 --> 00:45:42.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'd like to get your perspective on, sort of, where do you think we're going as a people?
00:45:42.810 --> 00:46:01.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: where are we going in this world? Because if you listen to most conversations today, people are kind of worried about where we're going. So I'm wondering if you have some insights, some pearls of wisdom that can help people to be able to face that unknown.
00:46:01.680 --> 00:46:06.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That, that… In a more empowered way, okay?
00:46:06.410 --> 00:46:08.000 Cara Wilson: Yes, I'm excited, yeah.
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:19.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Awesome. Awesome. So, everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity, and we'll be right back to wrap it all up with our guest, Kara Jean Wilson, in just a moment.
00:48:07.590 --> 00:48:11.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back. So, Kara,
00:48:11.630 --> 00:48:21.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in the world today, I think a lot of… maybe just a few of our listeners, just a few people out there, might be a little nervous about the future, might be a little anxious about…
00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:29.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how much change is happening with… with AI, with technology, with society, with just everything.
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What would you say to those people?
00:48:33.390 --> 00:48:34.300 Cara Wilson: Hmm.
00:48:35.680 --> 00:48:40.340 Cara Wilson: Okay, this is another one of those insultingly simple, so this will be a lot of work, right?
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:49.340 Cara Wilson: I would agree that what we experience most of the time in the world is a dumpster fire train wreck avalanche that we're all caught in.
00:48:49.970 --> 00:48:59.809 Cara Wilson: I don't know that it is more now than it was previously. From my point of view, it pretty much has just always been that way in varying levels, yes?
00:48:59.810 --> 00:49:00.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:11.569 Cara Wilson: The best thing that we can do when confronted with that reality is to make sure that we don't use our BS, our belief systems.
00:49:11.630 --> 00:49:17.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as gasoline on the dumpster fire train wreck avalanche in front of us.
00:49:18.010 --> 00:49:30.079 Cara Wilson: And a lot of that… we say mindset, but it really is mind-seeking, from my point of view. It is understanding that a fixed mind… understanding first what fixed and growth mindsets are, and then…
00:49:30.290 --> 00:49:39.710 Cara Wilson: Detaching, leaning into that emotional intelligence space, and detaching good and bad, because positive and negative is really, really relative.
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:40.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:49:41.410 --> 00:49:51.819 Cara Wilson: That depends on your experiences and your point of view, and what you have been groomed in… I mean, there's 8 billion people on the planet, so there are 8 billion different opinions about what is good or bad.
00:49:51.820 --> 00:49:53.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yep, absolutely.
00:49:53.480 --> 00:50:01.399 Cara Wilson: So if we can detach from that, and I get that that is its own thing, then fixed mindset and growth mindset are simply
00:50:01.590 --> 00:50:18.420 Cara Wilson: two sides of how our brain works. One is that we're in survival mode, right? If we're in survival mode, that is where the fear shows up. That's where we get distressed. It is actually, in my BS, probably what a neurotypical brain
00:50:18.950 --> 00:50:29.710 Cara Wilson: We don't really have a way to define that, but everybody has this, because you need to survive, and if you don't survive, then you can't do things.
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright.
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.240 Cara Wilson: That's not bad. It can be limiting. It is sort of…
00:50:34.550 --> 00:50:39.159 Cara Wilson: You know, if your brain… if you… if you're being chased by a tiger.
00:50:39.640 --> 00:50:53.889 Cara Wilson: You want a fixed mindset. A growth mindset will start wandering off down different pathways of, can they climb trees? How fast can they climb trees? Can humans outrun them? If I jump, what's… now you're already dead. You're already dead.
00:50:53.890 --> 00:50:55.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:50:55.060 --> 00:51:07.459 Cara Wilson: Whereas your fixed mindset is like, tiger, death, cliff, jump. Right. And your growth mindset's like, no, no, no, we might hurt something if we jump off that cliff, and your fixed mindset is like, right, okay, pain, death.
00:51:07.710 --> 00:51:09.800 Cara Wilson: Pain, just jump.
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, alright.
00:51:11.290 --> 00:51:17.620 Cara Wilson: And you need that, you want that. You want to have a quick, reactive survival space.
00:51:18.630 --> 00:51:30.199 Cara Wilson: If, however, you are watching the news, and you are consuming lots of things that tell you the world is a dumpster fire, train wreck, avalanche, and you are living.
00:51:30.200 --> 00:51:31.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in that space.
00:51:32.100 --> 00:51:34.099 Cara Wilson: That's really limiting.
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:44.050 Cara Wilson: from there, fear is in control, and if I'm not winning, I'm losing, which means that I have to be right, I have to push other people out of the way, they're doing it wrong, because they're not…
00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:46.419 Cara Wilson: The spiral get spirally.
00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:48.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. In that place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:49.220 --> 00:51:57.469 Cara Wilson: So we have to resource ourselves, we have to give ourselves time, we have to give ourselves energy. We have to allow ourselves financial abundance.
00:51:57.470 --> 00:52:02.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that we are not showing up with stink face.
00:52:02.550 --> 00:52:08.380 Cara Wilson: Looking for stinkface results and then being upset that we found stinkface results.
00:52:09.810 --> 00:52:12.260 Cara Wilson: We want to get into that growth mindset, that place where
00:52:12.790 --> 00:52:27.950 Cara Wilson: We all know. I'm not gonna say anything that anybody here does not know. We know the phrase, this too shall pass, and we know that's true. We know that we have survived 100% of our worst days and thrived 100% of our best days. We know.
00:52:28.750 --> 00:52:32.049 Cara Wilson: We know that the only constant is change.
00:52:33.130 --> 00:52:42.270 Cara Wilson: We know these things, but we get so caught up in what that might mean. We lose ourself.
00:52:42.590 --> 00:52:43.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:52:43.740 --> 00:52:52.629 Cara Wilson: And we get mad, and we get angry, and then we look at the world mad and angry, and then we do things in the world mad and angry, which generates mad and angry results.
00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:53.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:52:53.170 --> 00:53:06.669 Cara Wilson: We see this in corporate America right now around burnout, right? So we have all of these leaders who are at this… somewhere between burnout and shutdown, right? We've gone way past the getting up to burnout, and we're just living in that zone.
00:53:06.670 --> 00:53:07.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:53:07.250 --> 00:53:16.909 Cara Wilson: And when you're in a burnout, you're exhausted, you're fatigued, and you're frustrated. So you're going forward trying to do things that are generating exhaustion, fatigue, and frustration.
00:53:17.110 --> 00:53:18.789 Cara Wilson: Because that's what you showed up with.
00:53:20.420 --> 00:53:25.649 Cara Wilson: But if we take the time, and I… and it is, again, insultingly simple, so really, really hard.
00:53:25.650 --> 00:53:40.850 Cara Wilson: just to take a breath, right? That inhalation, that inspiration brings inspiration. Take a breath. Look at what is. Acknowledge what was, that's important, right? We definitely want to… but we don't want to time travel to the past, because that way lies depression.
00:53:41.310 --> 00:53:55.549 Cara Wilson: And we want to think about what could be in the future, but we don't want to live there, because in that direction lays anxiety. But right here, the present, your present, the place where you get to be the gift is where opportunities are happening. You have to train your brain
00:53:55.550 --> 00:54:06.270 Cara Wilson: Not to time travel, but to exist right here, and look at what is, not through the lens of fear, but through that lens of, oh, we know this is gonna change, so isn't this curious?
00:54:06.380 --> 00:54:11.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is this gonna be one of those moments that passes like a kidney stone?
00:54:13.220 --> 00:54:15.249 Cara Wilson: Or one that passes like a wave.
00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:16.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:54:16.610 --> 00:54:22.250 Cara Wilson: When it is crazy the way the human brain works, if you allow yourself curious.
00:54:22.490 --> 00:54:27.970 Cara Wilson: And a desire to understand, not to correct, not to fix, not to solve, not to…
00:54:28.290 --> 00:54:33.120 Cara Wilson: Any of the other things we so very often show up with, like, no shade, I get it, and…
00:54:33.390 --> 00:54:48.160 Cara Wilson: If you're just showing up to understand, it triggers the brain above that amygdala into that growth space where you're using those emotions to make really good judgment without getting mental, not getting judgmental about it.
00:54:49.560 --> 00:54:53.960 Cara Wilson: And when you can do that, and build habits from that place.
00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.759 Cara Wilson: Then the dumpster fire train wreck avalanche isn't so terrifying, because you are literally there helping put it out.
00:55:02.970 --> 00:55:06.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, nice. Nice.
00:55:07.020 --> 00:55:15.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're almost out of time. I've got one last question for you. I just love this conversation. I could talk with you for hours about this stuff.
00:55:15.650 --> 00:55:20.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It sounds like you've… You know so much, you coach on so much.
00:55:21.950 --> 00:55:24.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What challenges you these days?
00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:28.610 Cara Wilson: All those things that I just talked about.
00:55:31.410 --> 00:55:44.470 Cara Wilson: I mean, I'm really… so one of the things, I have discovered is as you learn these things, as they become normalized in your own nervous system, then you get to learn them again at a new level.
00:55:44.700 --> 00:55:45.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm…
00:55:45.970 --> 00:55:56.789 Cara Wilson: So I struggle with all of these things, right? The insultingly simple stuff is literally the hardest work of your life. I just struggle at it in a way that
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.640 Cara Wilson: I've been struggling… I've been working with it for so long.
00:56:02.600 --> 00:56:19.290 Cara Wilson: So I still struggle with lack feelings and fear of where the world is going to go, and then I do what I know to do, right? Take a breath, recenter myself, probably go drink some water, maybe eat something, because I haven't done that in the last 16 hours, because I'm still learning, right?
00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:20.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the…
00:56:20.170 --> 00:56:39.430 Cara Wilson: And then maybe just go talk to somebody else, because what I know… is there problems in the world? Oh my goodness, yes. We're not gonna Pollyanna this at all, yes, absolutely. And I also know that there are amazing people doing amazing things, like Sam, right here, doing this.
00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:54.880 Cara Wilson: like, having these conversations, normalizing this, these are good things, good people doing good things, making the world a better place, and if all we look at is the horrible things going on, we can believe that that is all there is, but it's not.
00:56:56.740 --> 00:56:57.450 Cara Wilson: not.
00:56:57.690 --> 00:57:00.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, very good, very good.
00:57:02.060 --> 00:57:10.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Unfortunately, we're going to have to leave it there. It's such a pleasure to have you on the show. If people want to learn more about you, your work, get in touch with you, where do they find you?
00:57:11.130 --> 00:57:26.309 Cara Wilson: I am very accessible on all of the medias. The fastest way is just email karajean at TakingKara, C-A-R-A, business.com, because that's also the website, TakingKara Business. Because I'm hilarious.
00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:48.469 Cara Wilson: And come hang out. We, if you're in the Pacific Northwest, I do a retreat of the fourth Saturday of every month in the Tri-Cities, so Kennewick, Pasco, Richland area. I do a Friday training right here, live, from the stage behind me, on Fridays at 4 o'clock Pacific Standard Time.
00:57:48.470 --> 00:57:57.819 Cara Wilson: I've got a retreat coming up the 18th through the 23rd. There are 4 places left, if you would like one in the next 7 days, but you're gonna come here
00:57:57.820 --> 00:58:18.240 Cara Wilson: And we're going to immerse you in community, so that 80% of the retreat is built around resourcing you and figuring out what that means for you, and then 20% we're going to do my VIP Leadership Day work, and we're going to build out a dashboard in the vision, mission, values, and really align for 2026.
00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:25.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm, nice, nice. Wow, that sounds great. And is that information on your website?
00:58:25.240 --> 00:58:33.119 Cara Wilson: It is not. You have to contact me, it is only… this is… this is the second time I've mentioned it publicly, but I feel like.
00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:33.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like the.
00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:35.800 Cara Wilson: People in your community might be able to get it.
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:54.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. So definitely reach out to Kara Jean, Kara at TakingCareOfBusiness.com. Kara, thank you so much, such a pleasure having you on my show. You know, I'm sure our paths will be crossing, before too long again.
00:58:55.160 --> 00:59:01.840 Cara Wilson: Thank you, Sam. Please continue doing what you're doing. These conversations are so important. It makes my life easier. Thank you. Selfish.
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:16.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You're so welcome, you're so welcome. And of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. And don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on your favorite podcasting platform.
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