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Healthy Aging is living an engaged productive life motivated by will and not by the biological changes that occur as we get older. Learn how to remain engaged, independent and productive as each year progresses.
A lawyer and former diplomat, Otho Eskin served in the U.S. Army and in the United States Foreign Service. He was Vice-Chairman of the U.S. delegation to the United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea, participated in the negotiations on the International Space Station, was principal U.S. negotiator of several international agreements on seabed mining and was the U.S. representative to the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space. Eskin is active in the Washington theater scene and is a playwright whose work has appeared in New York, Washington D.C., and Europe.
We will explore how his thriving post-diplomatic career underscores the mental, emotional, and social dimensions of healthy aging:
Purposeful engagement—writing novels, producing plays—keeps brain function, memory, and creativity sharp.
Social connectivity—through theater, literary communities, interviews—supports emotional well-being.
Reinvention—embracing new roles later in life models adaptability and resilience.
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In this opening segment of Frank About Health, Frank R. Harrison introduces author and former diplomat Otho Eskin, highlighting his extraordinary career and how it connects to the theme of healthy aging through creativity and reinvention. At 94, Eskin embodies active longevity, having transitioned from military and diplomatic service into a thriving second life as a playwright and novelist, fueled by curiosity, engagement, and continuous learning. Their conversation frames Eskin’s story as both an inspiration and a reflection of broader healthcare themes, encouraging advocates and providers to see creativity and mental stimulation as vital tools for resilience and well-being.
In this segment of Frank About Health, Frank R. Harrison emphasizes how Otho Eskin’s life exemplifies the pillars of healthy aging: physical, mental, and social engagement. Their discussion transitions into Eskin’s literary work, spotlighting his fictional detective Marco Zorn, a maverick character who thrives on intellect, wit, and personal values rather than traditional power or weapons. For healthcare advocates and providers, the conversation highlights how creative expression, resilience, and cognitive engagement can serve as powerful tools to maintain vitality and mental sharpness well into advanced age.
In this section of Frank About Health, Frank R. Harrison explores how Otho Eskin views resilience, failure, and role models in the context of reinvention and creativity. Eskin explains that his transition from diplomacy to writing wasn’t born of crisis but from recognizing the need for fresh challenges, showing how continuous curiosity fuels growth. Their dialogue connects this mindset to healthcare, highlighting the importance of self-awareness, charisma, and respect for expertise—reminding advocates and providers that in uncertain times, cultivating creativity, independent planning, and trust in trained professionals is essential for navigating disruption.
In the closing segment of Frank About Health, Frank R. Harrison and Otho Eskin reinforce the theme of healthy aging through ongoing creativity, curiosity, and reinvention. Eskin emphasizes that staying engaged doesn’t require grand gestures—whether it’s writing, gardening, puzzles, or new hobbies, the key is to continually seek challenges that stimulate the mind and prevent passivity. The episode leaves healthcare advocates and enthusiasts with a reminder that maintaining neuroplasticity, self-directed growth, and active engagement in life are vital strategies for resilience, longevity, and quality of life.
00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:56.889 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome to a new episode of Frank About Health. The date is Thursday, September 4th.
00:00:56.980 --> 00:01:00.980 Frank R. Harrison: And today, it is my pleasure to introduce
00:01:01.010 --> 00:01:20.350 Frank R. Harrison: Mr. Otho Eskin. We are going to discuss during this episode his history, his career, his, literary works. He is an author, and he was a military foreign service officer in his, previous career, and we're going to
00:01:20.580 --> 00:01:25.730 Frank R. Harrison: Swing that towards the topic of healthy aging through creativity and reinvention.
00:01:25.980 --> 00:01:29.260 Frank R. Harrison: Now, this is a unique guest in the following way.
00:01:29.370 --> 00:01:32.289 Frank R. Harrison: Not once have I ever had a guest.
00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:42.629 Frank R. Harrison: That was not a healthcare official, provider, had a healthcare story to share, but rather, they lived a very independent life.
00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:48.660 Frank R. Harrison: In this case, the military, as well as as an author and playwright, currently.
00:01:48.860 --> 00:01:54.309 Frank R. Harrison: And at the right young age of 94. And that in itself…
00:01:54.510 --> 00:02:06.950 Frank R. Harrison: Creates a healthcare story, a story of inspiration, a story of an individual who managed through, I guess you could consider it disruption. People say that when you reach a certain age, certain things go.
00:02:07.170 --> 00:02:20.979 Frank R. Harrison: But this man, as you will learn in the next hour, has been able to keep things cooking, and burning, and narrating, among other things. So, I think this is definitely a very unique episode that must be shared.
00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:23.229 Frank R. Harrison: Because, as you will also learn.
00:02:23.940 --> 00:02:32.140 Frank R. Harrison: A lot of what he writes about mirrors what's going on in our current social system, especially in the area of healthcare.
00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.200 Frank R. Harrison: So, for that reason, I will definitely issue my disclaimer.
00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:51.950 Frank R. Harrison: What you will hear are not the talking points or views of Frank About Health or of TalkRadio.nyc, but rather fictional interpretations through Otho Eskin and through his works, which we will discuss.
00:02:52.040 --> 00:02:58.890 Frank R. Harrison: And simultaneously, they are point of views that you can use to reference for yourself.
00:02:58.990 --> 00:03:08.470 Frank R. Harrison: Hopefully learn from, and try to mitigate through the disruption that we continue to see in our media, as well as in our healthcare.
00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:16.599 Frank R. Harrison: That all being said, let me give you a brief bio on, Ortho Eskin, and then I will introduce him and let him speak.
00:03:16.880 --> 00:03:34.090 Frank R. Harrison: Otho Eskin is a lawyer and former diplomat, served in the U.S. Army and in the United States Foreign Service, was vice chairman of the U.S. delegation to the United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea, participated in the negotiations on the International Space Station.
00:03:34.200 --> 00:03:41.730 Frank R. Harrison: was principal U.S. negotiator of several international agreements on seabed Minima?
00:03:41.730 --> 00:03:42.770 Otho Eskin: Mining.
00:03:42.770 --> 00:03:55.980 Frank R. Harrison: Mining, I apologize. Okay, I need to get my contacts back in. And was the U.S. Representative to the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space. Eskin is active.
00:03:56.100 --> 00:04:04.009 Frank R. Harrison: in the theater scene, and is a playwright whose work has appeared in New York, Washington, DC, and in Europe.
00:04:04.470 --> 00:04:16.440 Frank R. Harrison: Very impressive background. So, Otho, welcome to Frank About Health, and I would like you to just introduce yourself the way… if we were meeting right now on… in Washington, let's say.
00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:27.219 Otho Eskin: Well, I'm delighted to be here, delighted to meet you, virtually, if not in person. I think you've told the… at least the bare bones about me.
00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:45.439 Otho Eskin: My career was… I'm a lawyer by training, but my career was in the United States Foreign Service. I was a diplomat for 20-some years, serving in Washington and in various capitals around the world.
00:04:45.490 --> 00:04:57.430 Otho Eskin: a brief military stint. I was in the army, and but I have been… I'm basically, until some years ago, I was a career diplomat.
00:04:57.510 --> 00:05:06.800 Otho Eskin: When I retired, I just needed… I wanted to be… continue to be very active. I am by nature.
00:05:07.210 --> 00:05:26.009 Otho Eskin: a kind of an active, proactive person, so I… I had always been interested in writing, and I had been interested in the theater, going to the theater when I was in college, so when I was retired and had time on my hands, and I did not want to just sit at home.
00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:33.479 Otho Eskin: Right. I, began writing plays, and I wrote, probably altogether, and I sure lost
00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:48.520 Otho Eskin: I don't know, probably a dozen plays, some of which have been produced in Washington, D.C, some in New York, and some in Europe, and actually in Australia, and in Russia, of all places. Well, that was a long time ago.
00:05:48.520 --> 00:05:49.589 Otho Eskin: Right, right.
00:05:49.590 --> 00:06:13.120 Otho Eskin: It was… and… but I did… I really loved the writing in the theater. It got me to be involved with a lot of people. Of course, the directors, the actors, the sage hands, the people who put up the lights, all of that was a very active social setting, and I enjoyed that.
00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:29.869 Otho Eskin: As well as doing the actual writing of plays, and then seeing them on stage, which was sometimes scary, particularly on opening night. You don't know what to expect. You have no idea what the audience is going to be like, and whether they're going to react.
00:06:29.870 --> 00:06:36.400 Otho Eskin: Everybody's polite in my world, but you never know. Then when I…
00:06:36.940 --> 00:06:45.030 Otho Eskin: I've did that for some years, and then decided I wanted to stretch a little bit and try a different kind of writing. When I was in
00:06:45.090 --> 00:06:54.730 Otho Eskin: high school, I wrote science fiction, short stories, none of which were probably, well, one or two, but probably mediocre stories.
00:06:54.730 --> 00:07:12.579 Otho Eskin: But I wanted to try something a little more challenging, so I decided to write genre novels. In this case, novels about exciting events that are going on in the world.
00:07:12.580 --> 00:07:27.299 Frank R. Harrison: And so I wrote, I've written now four of those novels. They were then published and distributed around the world, at least around the United States. So I've… and that's a totally different world.
00:07:27.530 --> 00:07:43.150 Otho Eskin: Writing novels is a solo, solitary occupation, but once they're done, you can once again get engaged with other people. You have the editor, the publisher, the people who do the promotion.
00:07:43.410 --> 00:08:01.289 Otho Eskin: It's a very… there's an active team of people surrounding you, advising me, and, complaining if I don't do something right, or complimenting me when I do something right. So, it's a very, active,
00:08:01.440 --> 00:08:04.159 Otho Eskin: a world that I engaged in.
00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:11.240 Otho Eskin: I should say that when I retired, I knew that I was going to want to do something
00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:19.740 Otho Eskin: active. I'm a proactive person, so I, in addition to writing plays and novels, when I first got out of the Foreign Service.
00:08:20.340 --> 00:08:24.460 Otho Eskin: I did all kinds of things. I learned how to fly a plane.
00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:38.849 Otho Eskin: I didn't have not continued that, because that's a very expensive hobby. But I really enjoyed it, flying over the countryside and hoping I can find the airport on my way back.
00:08:39.049 --> 00:08:41.650 Otho Eskin: I…
00:08:41.650 --> 00:08:42.010 Frank R. Harrison: Right.
00:08:42.010 --> 00:08:51.879 Otho Eskin: Not very well, but I learned the piano. I studied lessons in art. As you can see, I did all kinds of things.
00:08:51.880 --> 00:09:09.600 Otho Eskin: Some of which I've sort of let go. I've gotten to the point where I no longer have a piano in the house, and I no longer fly a plane, which is probably just as well for the other pilots in the country. But I…
00:09:10.410 --> 00:09:17.380 Otho Eskin: I like being active, I like being challenged every day. I like being… when I wake up in the morning, remember why I'm getting up.
00:09:17.620 --> 00:09:20.670 Otho Eskin: And what's in store for me?
00:09:20.870 --> 00:09:33.640 Otho Eskin: what I can be doing, and I like to think that some of the things I'm doing are actually helpful and beneficial. Not flying a plane or playing the piano, not specifically, but
00:09:33.730 --> 00:09:51.619 Otho Eskin: But other things that are creative and can make a difference. So that has been my, sort of, philosophy. I've now had my 90th birthday last January. I'm well on my way to 91. I don't feel a day over 85.
00:09:51.650 --> 00:09:57.349 Otho Eskin: But fortunately, I'm in good health, and I can continue this active lifestyle.
00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.300 Otho Eskin: Does that answer your question?
00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:08.289 Frank R. Harrison: Oh my god, does it? I mean, I do have one question, which I kind of interrupted you and asked, like, how old were you when you learned to fly? Were you already in your 60s or 70s?
00:10:08.290 --> 00:10:11.740 Otho Eskin: I was in my… would have been in my 50s.
00:10:12.520 --> 00:10:20.639 Frank R. Harrison: Wow. But I mean, you know, it's funny how they say sometimes when you're in your 60s or 70s, you shouldn't be driving cars anymore, but you went.
00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:21.420 Otho Eskin: Well, yeah.
00:10:21.420 --> 00:10:22.900 Frank R. Harrison: beyond that.
00:10:22.900 --> 00:10:41.759 Otho Eskin: Yes, well, actually, I know exactly what you mean. I stopped driving when I got in my upper 80s. I'd never had an accident, never had a problem, but you read about these terrible accidents of people, elderly people, just sort of losing…
00:10:41.780 --> 00:10:55.619 Otho Eskin: their control and driving off the road, and I did not want that to happen to me. So I'm… although I'm proactive and sometimes reckless, I'm not crazy, so I… I would not fly a plane
00:10:55.900 --> 00:11:02.130 Otho Eskin: And I stopped flying, oh, some 10 years ago. You'll be happy to hear.
00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:07.929 Frank R. Harrison: Well, no, especially with all of what we see about how our planes are…
00:11:08.420 --> 00:11:18.860 Frank R. Harrison: going through chaos through the air system lately, but I'm not trying to dismiss the fact that you were flying, because that in itself, especially at your age at that point.
00:11:18.860 --> 00:11:29.059 Frank R. Harrison: What you have inspired me is understanding that your limbic system, all of the lobes of your brain, have constantly been active, seeking out engagements, seeking out
00:11:29.060 --> 00:11:47.760 Frank R. Harrison: some form of music therapy by your piano playing, or maybe after you've given up the piano, you probably listen to different types of music that keep stimulating your mind and your thought process, especially when you mentioned earlier, you engage in the solitary sport of writing books, but your brain and the creativity that is going on.
00:11:47.760 --> 00:11:52.110 Otho Eskin: Absolutely. Create your characters, and your story, and your political thriller behind it.
00:11:52.110 --> 00:12:01.800 Frank R. Harrison: I mean, you are finding yourself engaging, whether it's with yourself or with others when you're getting ready to promote the book, so what would you say is
00:12:02.140 --> 00:12:12.059 Frank R. Harrison: your strength in your brain power, is that from your experience in the Foreign Service, or is that just your innate curiosity you must have had since childhood?
00:12:12.060 --> 00:12:17.739 Otho Eskin: And nothing to do with the Foreign Service specifically, I just think it was born that way. Okay.
00:12:17.900 --> 00:12:28.270 Otho Eskin: I mean, as long as I've been in good health, and active, I can stay active, I want to be challenged all the time. I want to have, things that…
00:12:28.370 --> 00:12:40.390 Otho Eskin: are new, something fresh every day. Well, I can't actually manage that. That's kind of hard to do, totally fresh. But I try to do new things. Read new books. I read a lot.
00:12:40.680 --> 00:12:47.239 Otho Eskin: Mostly, not fiction. I don't read much fiction nowadays. I read about science.
00:12:47.280 --> 00:13:00.819 Otho Eskin: and I read hard books about science, and I realize, you know, I'm not really understanding all of this, but it gets the brain moving and gets the brain activated.
00:13:01.330 --> 00:13:20.249 Otho Eskin: and I think about what I've read, or try to think about, and what did that mean? How does that work? And I'm… it's no one specific topic or another. I'm particularly interested… right now, I'm reading a book about the history of human language, and.
00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:20.750 Frank R. Harrison: Nice.
00:13:20.750 --> 00:13:35.569 Otho Eskin: That's a very esoteric field, but I'm thoroughly enjoying it. They're talking about places that haven't been occupied in 2,000, 3,000 years, but
00:13:36.020 --> 00:13:48.639 Otho Eskin: I put myself there, tried to imagine what life was like in Mesopotamia, or Syria, or ancient India, and
00:13:48.840 --> 00:14:06.990 Otho Eskin: I'm sure that by standard scholarly standards, I'm full far short, but I… I'm… I continue to be actively working on that to keep myself stimulated, mentally stimulated, at all times.
00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:07.900 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:25.320 Frank R. Harrison: Basically, we're about to take our first break, but it sounds like to me that genetically, or even, like, as you said, you were born that way, your mind has always sought out engagement. And I guess for everyone out there listening right now, if you want to keep yourself alert, especially at the age category that
00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:34.799 Frank R. Harrison: Otho Eskin is in Keep Yourself Engaged, whether it's crossword puzzles, or music, or doing your favorite hobby, or engaging with people, or writing.
00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:48.689 Frank R. Harrison: Learning, like, history of language, learning astronomy, hell, learning anything that just inspires you to keep yourself moving forward each day. Alright, everybody, please stay tuned as we continue this discussion on healthy aging.
00:14:48.710 --> 00:14:59.930 Frank R. Harrison: through creativity and reinvention, right here on Frank About Health on TalkRadio.nyc, and on all of our social media, LinkedIn, Facebook, and YouTube. We will be back in a few.
00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.610 Frank R. Harrison: Hey, everybody, and welcome back. So, in that introduction piece…
00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.740 Frank R. Harrison: I learned a lot about what was going on with
00:17:21.020 --> 00:17:33.840 Frank R. Harrison: Ortho Eskin's brain. All of his lobes were stimulated throughout his life, his career, his desire, once he retired to continue engaging and writing, and creating pretty much…
00:17:34.130 --> 00:17:53.180 Frank R. Harrison: a life well-lived even beyond his years, compared to what most people would say. Now, that being said, I have a little review here from Google. I'm just gonna give people the understanding that healthy aging consists of maintaining physical health, mental health, and social health.
00:17:53.330 --> 00:17:59.289 Frank R. Harrison: And from the way that Otho had introduced himself, he has done all three, and then some.
00:17:59.500 --> 00:18:07.880 Frank R. Harrison: In terms of physical health, most people would commit to regular exercise, maintain a healthy weight, and definitely get enough sleep.
00:18:07.950 --> 00:18:21.620 Frank R. Harrison: Now, protecting against injuries. Now, when you get older, some people are, vulnerable to falls. At the same time, there could just be injuries that happen,
00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:31.889 Frank R. Harrison: You know, when you have high blood pressure or you have other comorbidities, people can be susceptible to things like, like, strokes or…
00:18:31.890 --> 00:18:43.060 Frank R. Harrison: or other kinds of dementias that can form. But a lot of times, it's questionable if it's genetically based, or if it's based on a comorbidity of another illness that one might have.
00:18:43.250 --> 00:18:50.800 Frank R. Harrison: So, I would say, from the masses versus the exceptions, which I believe Otho Eskin is one.
00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:59.230 Frank R. Harrison: You should be thinking about physical, mental, and social health all the way from the beginning, not just when you reach a certain age.
00:18:59.390 --> 00:19:06.369 Frank R. Harrison: No, because if you keep yourself engaged, especially with the brain, which runs the entire ship of your life.
00:19:07.040 --> 00:19:09.560 Frank R. Harrison: Most people can have through the
00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:21.090 Frank R. Harrison: The elasticity, the neuroplasticity of the brain, as well as the increase of neurotransmitters and any kind of activities that you want to engage.
00:19:21.300 --> 00:19:32.509 Frank R. Harrison: It can keep the resiliency strong in your brain, and you can definitely live a healthy life in your 90s, and maybe even beyond. That being said.
00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:44.350 Frank R. Harrison: I want now, Otho, to discuss with you about your literary career, because from what you described, I know you created a character from what I've read in some of your works.
00:19:44.510 --> 00:20:03.309 Frank R. Harrison: Marco Zorn. Now, I am understanding that that is a character you created, and I don't perceive it as an individual that is a reflection of you, but the way his Maverick style in all of the novels you've created, it shows that he is not willing to live
00:20:03.370 --> 00:20:18.229 Frank R. Harrison: within the system that is designed. He wants to go way above and beyond. That, to me, is a symbol of how you've lived your life. But can you give an understanding in your writings, which we'll also discuss in the later segment of the show.
00:20:18.760 --> 00:20:26.859 Frank R. Harrison: what would you say Marco Zorn, or your other characters in the book, Represent from a health perspective.
00:20:27.260 --> 00:20:33.099 Frank R. Harrison: Whether it's neurological, or even energetic, or maybe some other things that I'm not catching.
00:20:34.490 --> 00:20:36.129 Frank R. Harrison: Oh, you have to unmute first.
00:20:39.060 --> 00:20:40.040 Frank R. Harrison: Okay.
00:20:43.190 --> 00:20:43.920 Otho Eskin: Yeah, not.
00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:45.580 Frank R. Harrison: Okay.
00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:47.510 Otho Eskin: Okay.
00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:49.700 Otho Eskin: I'm on… I'm on, am I?
00:20:50.090 --> 00:20:52.020 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, you are.
00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.020 Otho Eskin: So, Margot Zorn is physically very active. He…
00:20:56.020 --> 00:21:15.430 Otho Eskin: he's a fictional character, not based on anybody I know, but in the novel, he… we know that he was… when he was much younger, was in the U.S. Army and Special Forces, so he was trained to…
00:21:15.530 --> 00:21:34.759 Otho Eskin: in combat in a way that most people are not. But Marcos Oren is very eccentric. For one thing, even though he's a police officer, he's a homicide detective, he does not like guns. He never carries a gun, and he never uses a gun.
00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:39.860 Otho Eskin: He is… can be very violent if his life is threatened.
00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:42.670 Otho Eskin: Which it is in each of the novels.
00:21:42.670 --> 00:22:00.329 Otho Eskin: And he gets out of serious trouble, but he does not use guns in a conventional way. And he has a… there's a complicated reason from… in his past. This is not a political position, this has to do with an emotional event that
00:22:00.330 --> 00:22:09.090 Otho Eskin: happened when he was a teenager, and he… it is… it changed his life a bit, and you don't know
00:22:09.300 --> 00:22:27.120 Otho Eskin: in the novel, what that was, bit by bit, and then more is revealed, and in the most recent novel, Black Sun Rising, much of it is exposed as to why Marco Zorin hates guns.
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:38.410 Otho Eskin: He doesn't… he doesn't object to other people carrying guns, that's not… not his… he's not… it's not a political position, it's just a personal one.
00:22:38.600 --> 00:22:52.189 Otho Eskin: Marco Zern has a kind of warped sense of humor, and that, I guess, is probably me. I think the jokes in the novel are mine, but I'm not a skilled, karate,
00:22:52.270 --> 00:23:11.879 Otho Eskin: or a fighter, and I can't claim to be as brave as Marco Zoran is. Marco Zorin is not a hero, I should say that. He's very good at what he does, but he has his flaws, or his weaknesses. For one thing.
00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:26.649 Otho Eskin: He faints at the sight of blood, which is not what you'd expect a homicide detective. He's afraid of heights, and both of these things come up in the novel. So he has to, like all of us.
00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:36.939 Otho Eskin: We have our worknesses, we have our problem areas, and we learn to work around them in our career, in our life. You just adjust.
00:23:36.940 --> 00:23:43.579 Otho Eskin: And you make the best you can of any problems you have.
00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:53.239 Otho Eskin: So he manages to be very effective in investigating crimes, particularly violent crimes.
00:23:53.240 --> 00:24:08.560 Otho Eskin: But he… but he does it using his brain. He uses the wiles. He's cleverer than most people, and can think faster than most people, and only most of his opponents.
00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:24.079 Otho Eskin: So he can do without some of the conventional strengths that you'd expect in a fictional detective. So that's one of the things that appealed to me about the character Marco Zorn.
00:24:24.430 --> 00:24:26.899 Otho Eskin: He… he's not a normal
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:42.830 Otho Eskin: Your usual… he's normal, psychologically, perfectly normal, but he's not typical of a hero. He's… and he has… and he's in some respects kind of anti-heroic.
00:24:42.830 --> 00:24:50.520 Otho Eskin: He's very much a maverick, he's very much his own person, he lives by his own rules.
00:24:50.520 --> 00:24:58.980 Otho Eskin: And he tends to disregard rules that other people make, and he is not happy
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:11.610 Otho Eskin: happy working with high-level bureaucrats. He's kind of basically anti-bureaucratic, and he annoys lots of people high up in the government and in other,
00:25:11.610 --> 00:25:17.369 Otho Eskin: organizations, and I pick all the organizations, carefully. I have
00:25:17.370 --> 00:25:35.659 Otho Eskin: They're gonna be the government, the military, the police business, marketing, medicine, so he runs into them all and manages to irritate them all in his own way.
00:25:35.830 --> 00:25:47.160 Otho Eskin: But at the end of the day, of course, he succeeds in achieving his objectives, which is usually in preventing some horrible catastrophe.
00:25:47.330 --> 00:25:48.900 Otho Eskin: having, happening…
00:25:49.370 --> 00:25:54.799 Frank R. Harrison: It sounds like his biggest weapon was his words, and his wits, and using his brain effectively.
00:25:54.800 --> 00:26:01.290 Otho Eskin: That's right. Yes, he has to do that, because that's the only way he can achieve,
00:26:01.450 --> 00:26:03.460 Otho Eskin: And he doesn't…
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:16.140 Otho Eskin: He doesn't… he doesn't care for traditional, uses of power. He develops his own sense of power, which is personality and mind.
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:19.399 Frank R. Harrison: And, cognitive power. That's what…
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:26.630 Otho Eskin: Gives him his success, but also, preserves his… keeps him alive.
00:26:27.610 --> 00:26:28.350 Frank R. Harrison: Absolutely.
00:26:28.350 --> 00:26:42.809 Otho Eskin: In the novels, of course, he's faced with very, very dangerous people who are ruthless and are quite prepared to destroy him on site, which I try to do.
00:26:44.020 --> 00:26:51.740 Frank R. Harrison: Wow, you know, I mean, I think we're close to taking our second break, but I'll have… I'll leave you with one question before we,
00:26:51.970 --> 00:26:58.579 Frank R. Harrison: Delve deeper into your book, and into how art might be imitating life.
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:08.890 Frank R. Harrison: But how do you think Marco Zorn would succeed against the chaos that is currently going on in Washington?
00:27:09.100 --> 00:27:09.590 Otho Eskin: Okay.
00:27:09.590 --> 00:27:12.640 Frank R. Harrison: Would he succeed? I guess is what I'm asking.
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.980 Otho Eskin: Well, do you want me to answer that now?
00:27:14.980 --> 00:27:17.969 Frank R. Harrison: Well, we'll talk more… Or after the break. After the break, we'll definitely.
00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:18.340 Otho Eskin: Okay.
00:27:18.340 --> 00:27:28.129 Frank R. Harrison: more in depth, but if you had one or two words to say, he would fare well, or he would eventually succeed, or he would have a struggle, what would be your choice?
00:27:28.690 --> 00:27:33.229 Otho Eskin: Okay, I will… he would have to struggle. He would have a struggle, but he would succeed.
00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:39.060 Frank R. Harrison: That's very, that's very, that's very positive to think going forward. That'll be…
00:27:39.060 --> 00:27:43.170 Otho Eskin: He has to succeed, otherwise he wouldn't be the main character.
00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.290 Frank R. Harrison: Exactly.
00:27:45.370 --> 00:28:00.690 Frank R. Harrison: Alright, so, either way, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're about to take our break, even though I haven't gotten the warning yet, because there's definitely a lot to cover in Section 3. But therefore, please be aware, again.
00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:10.149 Frank R. Harrison: This story is unique because it is not, in context, a healthcare story, but it is showing how someone like Otto Eskin
00:28:10.150 --> 00:28:21.169 Frank R. Harrison: is using the power of our brains, which all of us need to learn to be more effective with going forward. That all being said, please stay tuned right here on Frank About Health.
00:28:21.260 --> 00:28:26.910 Frank R. Harrison: on talkradio.nyc, and on Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, and Twitch. We'll be back in a few.
00:30:32.890 --> 00:30:52.159 Frank R. Harrison: Hey, everybody, and welcome back. We were, at the last section, talking about, Otho Eskin's fictional character, Marco Zorn, and during the commercial break, I've shown you, the legacy of books that he's written with him being the predominant character, including the more recent book that is currently available on Amazon.
00:30:52.430 --> 00:30:58.990 Frank R. Harrison: Otho Eskin's Black Sun Rising, and we're gonna go more into the book during this section of the show.
00:30:58.990 --> 00:31:14.650 Frank R. Harrison: But I do have a few questions about the cognitive superhero on this show, and that is you, Otho, and they actually were given to me by a friend of mine who read your book, and wanted me to ask you the following three questions, okay?
00:31:14.660 --> 00:31:22.219 Frank R. Harrison: First of all, what is a definitive failure that helped you change your view of the world?
00:31:22.540 --> 00:31:26.359 Frank R. Harrison: Reinvent yourself, or grow in an unexpected way.
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:29.930 Frank R. Harrison: Oh, you have to unmute yourself.
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:30.950 Frank R. Harrison: Again.
00:31:33.090 --> 00:31:34.990 Otho Eskin: Okay. Alright, I…
00:31:35.180 --> 00:31:36.420 Frank R. Harrison: Did you hear the question?
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:41.299 Otho Eskin: No, could you repeat that, please? Sure, sure, it must have been where how it was positioned on the mic. Okay.
00:31:41.870 --> 00:31:50.049 Frank R. Harrison: What is a definitive failure that helped you change your view of the world, reinvent yourself, or grow in an unexpected way?
00:31:50.810 --> 00:31:54.070 Otho Eskin: What was it, a failure that did that?
00:31:54.070 --> 00:31:55.899 Frank R. Harrison: Anything have happened in your life or career?
00:31:56.010 --> 00:31:56.900 Otho Eskin: Okay.
00:31:57.050 --> 00:32:10.289 Otho Eskin: I don't think there was any kind of turning point, no key moment when I changed around. For 25 years or so, I was very active in the Foreign Service in various
00:32:10.430 --> 00:32:25.939 Otho Eskin: roles. I was, you know, I was an officer in U.S. embassies, I was a participant in numerous negotiations around the world, traveled, literally around the world.
00:32:25.940 --> 00:32:31.429 Otho Eskin: And, I went to many different capitals, and then
00:32:31.860 --> 00:32:37.779 Otho Eskin: Thoroughly fine time. Great time. I had no problems at all.
00:32:37.780 --> 00:32:51.459 Otho Eskin: But at a certain point, you know, even the most exciting job becomes routine. You know, I've done this before. I know what the answers are going to be. I know how it's going to turn out.
00:32:51.460 --> 00:33:01.660 Otho Eskin: So, when it came time to retire, and I decided I really did need to retire, I think I was beginning to
00:33:02.340 --> 00:33:13.330 Otho Eskin: lose some of the energy and enthusiasm I'd had for diplomatic work. And I thought, well, okay.
00:33:13.330 --> 00:33:28.810 Otho Eskin: I need to find something else that's going to be challenging. Not that diplomatic work was not challenging, it is, particularly nowadays, I expect. But, I, I just felt I needed something new and fresh.
00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:45.349 Otho Eskin: To challenge me each morning when I got up. Something new, something different. So, that's… that's why I looked around. Not… flying a plane isn't challenging, actually, it's actually fun and actually rather easy, but writing plays, writing novels,
00:33:45.570 --> 00:33:53.990 Otho Eskin: is more… it's creative. It means you have to think through, you have to work hard to…
00:33:54.400 --> 00:34:06.440 Otho Eskin: to achieve what you're trying to get, which is, in the case of writing a novel, an interesting, exciting story that makes some kind of sense. And…
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:25.940 Otho Eskin: In the case of plays, the same thing. You want to get people on the stage who are doing interesting things that fascinate the audience. And that's a challenge, to do that. It's not self-evident how you do it. And when I was beginning, particularly as a beginner.
00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.559 Otho Eskin: You're, you're, you really need to…
00:34:28.820 --> 00:34:38.129 Otho Eskin: Work very hard, and then eventually working with other people, to try to structure the product that you're doing.
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:54.600 Otho Eskin: And, so that I… but coming back to the original question, I don't think there was any point of crisis or change, just that one grows older, maybe wiser, maybe not, but goes
00:34:54.600 --> 00:35:00.570 Otho Eskin: More experience, and look for new, new experiences.
00:35:00.570 --> 00:35:03.590 Otho Eskin: We want to be all, we want to be creative.
00:35:03.790 --> 00:35:04.270 Frank R. Harrison: Correct.
00:35:04.270 --> 00:35:18.739 Otho Eskin: Being creative is… you can't keep on being creative, doing the same thing over and over again. So, it was more of a slow process, nothing, no,
00:35:18.870 --> 00:35:19.810 Otho Eskin: No, no food.
00:35:19.810 --> 00:35:20.200 Frank R. Harrison: failure.
00:35:20.200 --> 00:35:24.619 Otho Eskin: One morning, and I'm gonna change my life. And there was never a moment like that.
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:37.609 Frank R. Harrison: I guess for the average person, I really don't know if that's even fair to say, but people who pretty much live in a rote way, even when they start to feel the boredom in the routine job that they might have.
00:35:37.750 --> 00:35:52.099 Frank R. Harrison: what makes them quote-unquote fail is that they eventually leave the job not by their own choosing, because they didn't take the signal to go and look for something creative, like the way you have. So for you, it wasn't a failure, it was just experiencing
00:35:52.100 --> 00:36:01.420 Frank R. Harrison: routine that said, oh no, I'm too creative for this, I'm gonna go find out what makes me tick, so I'm gonna retire and do what I was meant to do now in my next job.
00:36:01.420 --> 00:36:05.060 Otho Eskin: Yes, that's… more or less, that captures it, that's right.
00:36:05.060 --> 00:36:12.579 Frank R. Harrison: Yes, exactly. So, I guess, if anything, you've just been living your life successfully, owning
00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:32.889 Frank R. Harrison: what's up here, which most people really need to get more awareness of and get a grasp of in… and hopefully this episode of Frank About Health will have people searching their curiosity more, and really going out to what adds invigoration into their routine lives, whatever that might be, work-related or…
00:36:33.060 --> 00:36:35.350 Frank R. Harrison: Or whatever else.
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:52.889 Frank R. Harrison: Okay, there was two other questions, but one of them also borders on the suggestion of failure, and from what I gather, you did not experience that. So the second and final question is, who's your biggest role model, and what do you think their most defining
00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:55.409 Frank R. Harrison: Aspect of their lives.
00:36:55.690 --> 00:37:01.740 Frank R. Harrison: Kept them on the road to get to a position in life like you.
00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:09.760 Otho Eskin: When you… when the questionnaire asks about role model, I'm talking about fictional or real life.
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:26.100 Frank R. Harrison: It could be either. It could be either. It's just like, whether you created the person in your own mind through your writings, or whether you actually had role models in your life, in your workplace, or within your family, that inspired you to keep thinking forward and not…
00:37:26.390 --> 00:37:29.250 Frank R. Harrison: being, complacent, I guess.
00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:49.669 Otho Eskin: Well, it's a hard question to answer. In working for many years in the State Department, I was able to work with and for some very outstanding people, including a number of Secretaries of State, who deeply impressed me. So, in general.
00:37:49.740 --> 00:37:53.920 Otho Eskin: way. These are men, they were all…
00:37:53.940 --> 00:38:13.900 Otho Eskin: Oh, man, in those days. It dates me, doesn't it? Some of these men were of great personal power, and magnetic, and some weren't. And I was… I'm always fascinated, what is it that made these people
00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:23.150 Otho Eskin: These figures. Many people have been highly successful in politics and in government.
00:38:23.610 --> 00:38:24.819 Otho Eskin: And some of them.
00:38:24.820 --> 00:38:47.689 Otho Eskin: were… some of them were total failures, is my opinion. But some of them were outstanding, and I've always been interested, sort of intellectually, is what is it that made them so power… so personally magnetic and powerful, so that if you're in a room with them, and they're speaking, you listen to them, and you pay attention to what they're saying.
00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:58.259 Otho Eskin: Some of them were just plain fraud, some of them were just, empty windbags, and they also got high up in the government.
00:38:58.520 --> 00:39:03.860 Otho Eskin: And, that's going to be true in any organization. People,
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:20.509 Otho Eskin: are often promoted beyond their capacity. But I was impressed by some of the people I… many of the people I've worked with, very unimpressed with many of the others. So that was in a vague way, but I don't… in writing
00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:34.570 Otho Eskin: the novel. I didn't base it on any… the mark goes on, on any of those people. Some of the secondary characters, which would include both men and women, I did try to…
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:43.000 Otho Eskin: capture that magnetic, charismatic character that really outstanding men and women,
00:39:43.720 --> 00:39:55.740 Otho Eskin: and tried to capture a little bit of that, in their… in their description. But Marcosarin himself is not. He's… he's not a…
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:04.989 Otho Eskin: politician, he's not magnetic, or charismatic. He's very, very strong and tough.
00:40:04.990 --> 00:40:19.540 Otho Eskin: but not like a powerful person in government or business. So I didn't base him on any real person. I based him on purely personal fantasy.
00:40:19.890 --> 00:40:28.750 Frank R. Harrison: Okay, no, I mean, if anything, I can say from my own experience with neuropsychology, and I do have a… I've been living my life
00:40:28.750 --> 00:40:41.729 Frank R. Harrison: with epilepsy, seizure-free for 20 years now, but the thing is, is that I have been told at times, depending on my venue, that I can be charismatic. To me, that means that I'm effectively using my self-awareness
00:40:41.850 --> 00:40:48.290 Frank R. Harrison: And I'm using my cognitive skills that I know that I have to tap into in certain
00:40:48.320 --> 00:41:06.089 Frank R. Harrison: moments, like right now, I'm tapping into all of my reasoning and logic to make sure that this show is as professional as it can be, especially to tell your story. So, I would say, and correct me if I'm wrong, based on your experience, that people who are charismatic, whether men or women.
00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:13.120 Frank R. Harrison: Are very effective at using their brain when needed, when called for, and communicating effectively.
00:41:13.120 --> 00:41:26.170 Frank R. Harrison: Whatever their thoughts are. Versus, as you mentioned, the windbags, who basically use the gift of gab to get to where they need to go. But we all know there's a cap on that, while when you continue to reinforce your own
00:41:26.170 --> 00:41:27.309 Frank R. Harrison: brain matter.
00:41:27.370 --> 00:41:32.689 Frank R. Harrison: You know, to move through life and your career, and you show the charisma to others.
00:41:32.770 --> 00:41:50.820 Frank R. Harrison: they can be role models to anyone because they have a longevity, they have a path that they're following, whether it's self-focus or whether they've been educated into how to lead towards their goals. But, would it be safe to say that charisma is based on self-awareness?
00:41:51.080 --> 00:42:00.310 Otho Eskin: Yes, I think so, very much so. And without self-awareness, charisma won't work at all. You have to know… you have to be well-centered.
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:01.340 Frank R. Harrison: Yes.
00:42:01.340 --> 00:42:06.709 Otho Eskin: If you don't know your own personality, you can't influence others.
00:42:07.690 --> 00:42:11.639 Frank R. Harrison: Beautifully said. It's also a perfect segue to discuss this book. Now.
00:42:11.770 --> 00:42:22.770 Frank R. Harrison: Black Sun Rising, everybody, is available on Amazon.com, below $20, or only 99 cents if you download it, but it's also available on Authoreskin.com, which is
00:42:22.780 --> 00:42:37.739 Frank R. Harrison: his website, and you can find out more information about all of his novels. We're not going to go too much into the novel, because it's not a healthcare story, but I can honestly say, since there is a picture of the White House on the cover.
00:42:37.740 --> 00:42:38.530 Otho Eskin: That…
00:42:38.530 --> 00:42:41.130 Frank R. Harrison: As you read it, it mirrors
00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:52.419 Frank R. Harrison: what actually is going on currently in our society. And while this is a healthcare focus, I'm not going to talk about all the disruptions we're seeing, except the big, beautiful bill.
00:42:52.600 --> 00:43:04.659 Frank R. Harrison: And which, of course, was a topic when I featured Dr. Marshall Rungee on Frank About Health a few months ago, when we were talking about his book, The Great Healthcare Disruption. So, what would you say
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:05.950 Frank R. Harrison: Ortho.
00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:10.959 Frank R. Harrison: is the current… State of mind.
00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:14.920 Frank R. Harrison: in Washington that shows similar
00:43:15.140 --> 00:43:22.679 Frank R. Harrison: to what you write about here. If there's a way you can say this book mirrors how we can learn from it.
00:43:22.790 --> 00:43:28.550 Frank R. Harrison: and be able to diffuse the noise versus the truth. What would be your commentary?
00:43:28.550 --> 00:43:36.640 Otho Eskin: Well, I'd like to think that people can learn from it. To answer your first question, what it's like
00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:48.770 Otho Eskin: here in Washington for people who are active in government, or related, or in the military, or in intelligence. I think the general answer is confusion.
00:43:48.770 --> 00:44:11.540 Otho Eskin: I think people are completely uncertain, and I'm not speaking about anybody… I'm not… certainly not speaking about any high-level administration officials, because I don't know any. I've known them in other administrations, but nobody in this administration, so I'm not trying to capture their thinking, but…
00:44:11.580 --> 00:44:22.070 Otho Eskin: Talking about the lower levels, which is, you know, you're your bureaucrat, you're your guy on the street, the cop on the corner, all those people in the military.
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:34.349 Otho Eskin: I think, even if they don't say so, I think they're gonna be… they're bewildered. They don't know what's going on, they don't know one… from one day to the other, what's going to happen, and it makes their…
00:44:34.470 --> 00:44:44.960 Otho Eskin: But regardless of their politics, conservative, liberal, progressive, whatever, it makes their planning very, very difficult. I don't know
00:44:45.090 --> 00:44:56.869 Otho Eskin: I would guess that most people who have responsible jobs don't know where they stand in Washington, and hope this is all going to settle down, and they'll find out.
00:44:56.940 --> 00:45:08.940 Otho Eskin: I would hate to be a small businessman right now, in anywhere in this country, trying to plan 2 or 3 years from now, which is what businessmen have to do.
00:45:09.720 --> 00:45:17.730 Otho Eskin: Trying to figure out what the economic and trade policies are going to be, because they don't know.
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:20.940 Frank R. Harrison: And if you're in the military.
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:40.200 Otho Eskin: If I was a young officer aiming to make a career in the military, and I'd be wondering, well, am I going to end up on the streets of Washington cleaning trash off the street, or am I going to be developing new weapons systems? And I think if
00:45:40.550 --> 00:45:56.349 Otho Eskin: I suspect that most young officers and most young bureaucrats are going to be at a loss. Maybe in a year or two they won't be, but right now, confusion
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:59.850 Otho Eskin: And, uncertainty is the keynote.
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:01.490 Frank R. Harrison: Mmm.
00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:09.989 Frank R. Harrison: So while you're in the healthcare space, for example, especially with all the threats of changes affecting all of us in 2026 and beyond.
00:46:10.190 --> 00:46:26.730 Frank R. Harrison: Would you say that it is best for all of us to take the spirit that you have done in your life and really be researching, writing plans, budgeting, scoping out an entrepreneurial nature of how to keep everything protected from within your own.
00:46:26.730 --> 00:46:40.430 Frank R. Harrison: healthcare system and priorities. I mean, we cannot depend on the media or on our programs, which could be at a loss in the near future, so it tells me that everything has to almost be entrepreneurial, like you have to create your own ecosystem.
00:46:40.430 --> 00:46:53.760 Otho Eskin: Yes. Well, I'm no expert on healthcare, but I'm a… as a private citizen, I'm absolutely appalled at what's going on. I mean.
00:46:53.760 --> 00:47:01.240 Otho Eskin: I'm one of those people, which will actually believe in expertise. If somebody's been trained,
00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:09.849 Otho Eskin: and has experience in a field, and they know the field well. If they express opinions and have,
00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:17.580 Otho Eskin: plans, you listen to them. They may be wrong, they may make a mistake, that happens in every field, but
00:47:17.790 --> 00:47:24.909 Otho Eskin: When you see Expert after expert being ignored and thrown out and fired.
00:47:25.340 --> 00:47:36.689 Otho Eskin: and you wonder, who's going to replace them? Who are the… who are the people? I'm not talking about the substance of their views, because I can't… I'm obviously not.
00:47:36.820 --> 00:47:50.380 Otho Eskin: qualified to save, but I do feel strongly that if you… if you deny science, if you deny expertise, if you deny experience, you're asking for trouble.
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.420 Otho Eskin: And it seems to me that that's what's happening right now.
00:47:55.430 --> 00:48:05.870 Otho Eskin: People who know their business, I'm talking in the health business, but it's also true in the military, intelligence, law enforcement.
00:48:05.870 --> 00:48:17.250 Otho Eskin: If you know what you're doing, and then you get fired, and the person who replaces you is completely uninformed, that's a, invitation for trouble.
00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:32.379 Frank R. Harrison: We have to take our final break. I went a little over because I thought it was important you make your points across for all of us to really engage with our own grain matter to make sure we get through the next 2 or 3 years, or whatever we're about to face.
00:48:32.380 --> 00:48:40.529 Frank R. Harrison: But then, when we come back, we want to have some closing thoughts, and then again, also promote where other people can find you, whether it's on your social media…
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:48.199 Frank R. Harrison: And so forth and so on. So, sorry for the delay, Jesse, but we just had to get that part through. All right, we'll be back in a few.
00:50:32.120 --> 00:50:42.750 Frank R. Harrison: Hey everybody, and welcome back. This actual segment is probably going to be 5 minutes at length. It was just very important that during the last section, we really featured not just
00:50:42.930 --> 00:50:50.270 Frank R. Harrison: Otho Eskin's work, especially the book, Black Sun Rising, now available on Amazon and on his website.
00:50:50.270 --> 00:51:06.150 Frank R. Harrison: But we'll also get an echo or a mirror of how to own your own cognitive and neurological style so that we can get through all the chaos, disruption, and as he said earlier, confusion that we see every day, especially in healthcare.
00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:20.630 Frank R. Harrison: Now, of course, there'll be more episodes of Frank About Health covering disruption, so I'll always be a resource to provide solutions for whatever your healthcare questions or situations might be, as I have been in the past as well.
00:51:20.630 --> 00:51:28.560 Frank R. Harrison: But I want everyone to know that Otho Eskin represents a model of how not to let the system
00:51:28.780 --> 00:51:37.140 Frank R. Harrison: Or not to let boredom take over your own life as you are aging, as we all are aging.
00:51:37.290 --> 00:51:54.510 Frank R. Harrison: Now, I have talked in the past about Alzheimer's and dementia, and side effects of medications that cause it, and so forth and so on, but that doesn't have to be the be-all, end-all. While you are still trying to eat nutritious foods in check with your dementia issues.
00:51:54.510 --> 00:52:12.419 Frank R. Harrison: You also have to remember to continue to engage, continue to learn, continue to do puzzles, continue to stimulate yourself, so that way you can be able to keep the neuroplasticity alive and live as the highest quality of life that you can, no matter what your age is.
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:30.620 Frank R. Harrison: Now, not everybody is gonna do that, but I hope that today's episode of Frank About Health, featuring Otho Eskin, has inspired you to start finding ways to do that. I definitely say, get his books, because if anything, just reading them and getting involved in the thriller behind,
00:52:31.150 --> 00:52:36.540 Frank R. Harrison: Oh my god, your character's name, I keep, I keep confusing it.
00:52:37.210 --> 00:52:48.210 Frank R. Harrison: Marco Zorn, there you go. He is a maverick who uses his brain to fight crime, and that in itself should be an inspiration onto you guys.
00:52:48.440 --> 00:53:00.119 Frank R. Harrison: Otho, do you have any closing thoughts that you could provide the listeners and viewers about how to keep themselves, vigilant while they are aging, how they're living life, growing older?
00:53:00.120 --> 00:53:11.679 Otho Eskin: Well, we all age, there's nothing we can do about that, but you could find things that excite you. Find things that are,
00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:14.880 Otho Eskin: challenging to you. It doesn't have to be…
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:37.230 Otho Eskin: playing the piano, as I did, or flying a plane, or writing plays. It could be none of them, obviously. It could be something as simple as gardening, or as complicated as trying to work out mathematical puzzles. I mean, I do crossword puzzles, I have to say. I'm not very good at crossword puzzles, but
00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:40.900 Otho Eskin: I'm always looking for something that's going to be
00:53:40.970 --> 00:53:59.929 Otho Eskin: challenging, something that's not going to be just passive entertainment. And the way to do that, if there's no easy answer to that, but is finding something that excites you. And if you do something, and then after a while it becomes routine, find something else.
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:02.750 Otho Eskin: Exactly. That's all I can say.
00:54:03.140 --> 00:54:13.209 Frank R. Harrison: So, honing in on your creativity to get you from one position to the next, but then also continuing to reinvent yourself going forward. That is the constant.
00:54:14.700 --> 00:54:17.210 Otho Eskin: Absolutely. There you go.
00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:18.070 Frank R. Harrison: Awesome.
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:33.259 Frank R. Harrison: I have so many other questions, so I definitely will, you know, give you a call after the show so we can talk about them. Please do. And I do feel that I want to have you come back on Frank About Health in another, maybe, 4 to 6 weeks. We'll just figure that out.
00:54:33.260 --> 00:54:34.969 Otho Eskin: Okay, I've been delighted.
00:54:34.970 --> 00:54:38.699 Frank R. Harrison: That would be wonderful. Everyone, please,
00:54:38.730 --> 00:54:55.310 Frank R. Harrison: Remember, OthoEskin.com is his website. You'll find all about his history, his bio, his books, his plays. You'll even find out other information about, his career and… and pretty much any discussion about,
00:54:56.590 --> 00:55:10.510 Frank R. Harrison: I forgot his name, Marco Zorn, there you go. That all being said, we're about 3 minutes to ending, so, how can people reach out to you? I know you have an Instagram handle, but are you on LinkedIn as well?
00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:24.189 Otho Eskin: If you can go to my homepage at othoeskin.com, you can get a lot of information, then you can communicate directly with that… with that email address, so if you have questions.
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:31.219 Frank R. Harrison: Okay, awesome. Do you have any other views on healthcare itself besides aging or neuroplasticity?
00:55:31.220 --> 00:55:34.269 Otho Eskin: No, other than the fact that I'm scared to death.
00:55:35.180 --> 00:55:49.270 Frank R. Harrison: As we all are, quite frankly. Alright, that all being said, ladies and gentlemen, we're about to end the show. Stay tuned on TalkRadio.nyc at 6pm for Serving Up Success with a Splash with Bruce Kramer.
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:57.889 Frank R. Harrison: And, Angie Snowball. And, then at 7pm, you will find Making Seamless Sales.
00:55:58.210 --> 00:56:15.870 Frank R. Harrison: And then I will be here next week with another episode of Frank About Health. I thank all of you for listening to this unique, innovative episode, considering that I'm taking an author that has nothing to do with healthcare, but yet
00:56:16.450 --> 00:56:31.840 Frank R. Harrison: giving us all a healthcare lesson on cognitive thinking and cognitive style, and healthy aging. Thank you, Jesse, behind the scenes, for engineering the show, as usual, and again, Otho, thank you for being here, and I look forward to talking to you shortly.
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.490 Otho Eskin: Thank you for having me. My pleasure.
00:56:34.490 --> 00:56:36.949 Frank R. Harrison: Alright. See y'all next week, everybody.
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