EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes visionary entrepreneur, speaker, and transformational coach Curtis Morley.
With a deep background in business development, digital learning, and leadership training, Curtis has worked with powerhouse organizations like FranklinCovey, Agilix, and eLearningBrothers. But it’s his latest work on what he calls “counterfeit emotions” that opens a whole new dimension in the conversation around entrepreneurship, success, and inner freedom.
Drawing from years of experience mentoring business leaders, Curtis reveals how entrepreneurs often operate from unexamined emotional patterns—like fear disguised as motivation, or anxiety masquerading as ambition. These “counterfeit emotions” might drive short-term results, but over time, they erode clarity, authenticity, and wellbeing. Curtis shares how identifying and replacing these false emotional drivers with grounded awareness and conscious intention can transform not only a business, but the person leading it.
This episode dives into the paradox at the heart of entrepreneurship: how striving for freedom can so easily become a trap. Curtis offers powerful insights and tools to break free from reactive patterns, reclaim emotional sovereignty, and lead from a place of alignment. Whether you're building a business or simply navigating life’s complexities, his message is a call to examine what truly moves you—and what might be holding you back, without you even realizing it.
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Sam Liebowitz opens this week’s episode of The Conscious Consultant Hour by reminding us that true fulfillment is found not in rushing, but in the slow, intentional moments of life. Drawing wisdom from nature’s gentle rhythms, he encourages us to breathe, pause, and align with a pace that fosters mindfulness, presence, and deeper connection. By slowing down—whether sipping tea, walking through a park, or simply daydreaming—we allow life’s magic to unfold and return to harmony with the world around us.
Curtis Morley shared how his journey from entrepreneurship to coaching was born from a desire to help others avoid the mistakes he once made, which led him to write The Entrepreneur’s Paradox. His path shifted profoundly after losing his best friend Jerry to suicide, a loss that revealed the critical difference between authentic pain—which can be honored and transformed—and misery, which is a choice that deepens suffering. In a heartfelt exchange, both Curtis and Sam reflected on their personal experiences with suicide, highlighting how widespread its impact truly is and why it is vital to create space for open conversation, healing, and the reframing of emotions.
Curtis Morley shared how his breakthrough came from realizing that pain itself is not the enemy—misery is. He explained that pain, when honored, can coexist with joy and serve as a catalyst for growth and action, whereas misery traps pain through blame and shame, turning it into trauma. Expanding on his work with counterfeit emotions, Curtis described how “nice” is a defense mechanism that avoids conflict, while true kindness leans in with honesty and love, and how curiosity opens connection, while its counterfeit—suspicion—creates division.
Curtis Morley revealed that his research uncovered thousands of emotions, which he distilled into 42 authentic–counterfeit pairs, such as guilt versus shame, where guilt can heal while shame corrodes. He shared how this framework has transformed lives—like helping a survivor reclaim power through kindness—and even reshaped businesses by showing how “nice culture” stifles truth, innovation, and revenue, while kindness fosters honesty and growth. Curtis concluded by highlighting that peace is the one authentic emotion with no counterfeit, reminding us of its sacred and unshakable place in human experience, as he prepares to release his upcoming book Counterfeit Emotions.
00:00:46.870 --> 00:00:57.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Good morning, good evening, wherever you're tuning in from. Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour Awakening Humanity.
00:00:58.400 --> 00:01:03.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:14.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Another wonderful show with an excellent guest I'm really excited about to bring on. Hey, did you catch my last week's show with Ralph White of the News Center?
00:01:14.430 --> 00:01:23.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the reincarnation, I guess, of the Open Center. Really great conversation. I hope you had a chance to catch it. If not, look it up in the archives. All right.
00:01:24.130 --> 00:01:34.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Let's get started, as we always do each week, with a blog post from a couple of years ago. And this one, I think, is a really…
00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:38.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: important one. One I talk about a lot… people I work with.
00:01:39.390 --> 00:01:43.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this one is entitled… Life is lived.
00:01:44.330 --> 00:01:47.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the small, slow moments.
00:01:49.330 --> 00:01:54.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Many times, we are rushing From one place to the next.
00:01:54.750 --> 00:01:56.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or from one project to the next.
00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:02.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes we rush from one appointment to the next.
00:02:03.550 --> 00:02:07.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It can feel like this is the normal pace of life.
00:02:09.110 --> 00:02:17.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet, when we look around at nature, we find That is not the case.
00:02:20.230 --> 00:02:21.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nature.
00:02:21.850 --> 00:02:23.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: does not rush.
00:02:25.460 --> 00:02:27.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Doesn't move so quickly.
00:02:28.310 --> 00:02:30.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nature is slow.
00:02:31.160 --> 00:02:34.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The trees grow slowly.
00:02:34.820 --> 00:02:38.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Plants grow and respond to the light.
00:02:38.690 --> 00:02:39.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Slowly.
00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:43.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The tides move slowly.
00:02:44.030 --> 00:02:49.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In fact, Everything in nature is slow.
00:02:49.590 --> 00:02:51.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Except for people.
00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:52.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We rush.
00:02:53.010 --> 00:02:54.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from one house.
00:02:54.690 --> 00:03:01.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We rush from our house, to the car, to the mall, and back to the car, and back home.
00:03:02.300 --> 00:03:10.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Whether we work from home or work at an office, we rush to work to get things done.
00:03:11.380 --> 00:03:15.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes, we do not need to rush.
00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:18.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes we do need to rush.
00:03:18.660 --> 00:03:26.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet in most of life, We We can actually slow down.
00:03:27.690 --> 00:03:32.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can move more slowly when we have an appointment.
00:03:32.950 --> 00:03:39.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we can give ourselves more space throughout the day to take our time.
00:03:40.300 --> 00:03:44.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Slowing down can be of great benefit to us.
00:03:45.410 --> 00:03:50.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can be more mindful and careful with our decisions.
00:03:50.910 --> 00:03:56.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we can be more purposeful when we engage in something new.
00:03:57.870 --> 00:04:01.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So often, we are rushing through life.
00:04:02.200 --> 00:04:10.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet the real juice of life is in the tiny moments we take to slow down.
00:04:11.570 --> 00:04:13.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just sip a cup of tea.
00:04:14.310 --> 00:04:16.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or stare out the window.
00:04:17.390 --> 00:04:21.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To allow ourselves to be lost.
00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In our daydreams.
00:04:24.520 --> 00:04:28.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or to smell the fresh air as we walk through a park.
00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:35.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we slow down, we can enjoy more of life.
00:04:36.440 --> 00:04:42.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can be more mindful and more intentional when we enter into something new.
00:04:43.870 --> 00:04:47.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we really pay attention to nature.
00:04:47.740 --> 00:04:54.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can see that by slowing down, we are in rhythm with nature.
00:04:56.490 --> 00:04:59.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Life does not have to be busy.
00:05:00.070 --> 00:05:04.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It does not have to be a busy, hectic experience.
00:05:05.090 --> 00:05:10.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Only we make it that way because we feel we have to move fast.
00:05:11.200 --> 00:05:17.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we slow down, life becomes more pleasant to experience.
00:05:18.330 --> 00:05:24.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: For the magic of life is in the small, slow moments.
00:05:26.650 --> 00:05:35.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… I often talk to my clients and the people that I work with About slowing down.
00:05:37.080 --> 00:05:47.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the importance of just taking a breath throughout the day, instead of just rushing from one meeting to the next, to the next, to doing this, to doing that.
00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because when we're rushing all the time.
00:05:55.020 --> 00:06:01.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We don't have time to think, to feel, to be in our bodies.
00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:07.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To really be present to what's going on right in front of us.
00:06:13.980 --> 00:06:17.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we're in conversation with someone.
00:06:17.550 --> 00:06:24.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And they're rapid-fire talking, giving us one point after another, after another, after another. It can feel like a fire hose.
00:06:25.030 --> 00:06:28.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we get overwhelmed and inundated.
00:06:28.700 --> 00:06:32.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then we really don't get anything out of the conversation.
00:06:34.640 --> 00:06:40.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if we slow down… And give ourselves a minute.
00:06:42.280 --> 00:06:45.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To be mindful about what we're talking about.
00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:52.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: About the connection we're trying to make with this other person.
00:06:54.840 --> 00:07:00.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That a whole world opens up that we never even realized was there.
00:07:03.940 --> 00:07:13.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I remember decades ago, when I was practicing public speaking at Toastmasters after college.
00:07:13.770 --> 00:07:21.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And one of the biggest pieces of advice people would give someone who would get up there and do their talk
00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was to slow down.
00:07:25.770 --> 00:07:28.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To modulate our rhythm.
00:07:29.430 --> 00:07:34.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Of course, we don't want to be slow all the time. That can be boring.
00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But to also be fast all the time, and gunshot, and this, and that, and this, and that.
00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.509 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That's not pleasant to the ear either.
00:07:48.860 --> 00:07:54.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we take a moment, When we take the time to just pause.
00:07:54.710 --> 00:08:02.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And feel into what's going on in the moment, what we're talking about, what we're doing.
00:08:05.410 --> 00:08:13.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then… We're much more able to squeeze the juice out of life.
00:08:16.810 --> 00:08:21.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just came back from a trip to China with my wife.
00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:28.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And there were times when there was a lot of running around and things to do and people to see.
00:08:29.640 --> 00:08:31.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then there were moments
00:08:31.780 --> 00:08:41.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where we both were like, you know what? I don't need to do anything today. I just want to relax. I just want to stay home, to stay here, and chill for the afternoon.
00:08:44.150 --> 00:08:46.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that was very necessary.
00:08:51.610 --> 00:08:57.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I know that… when I go on vacation, when I go to a different place.
00:08:57.910 --> 00:09:07.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That it can get easy to be… get caught up in all the things to do and see, and you know, you're only there for a limited time, so you want to try and see as much as possible.
00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:12.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And over the years, I've really developed this attitude of, you know what?
00:09:13.560 --> 00:09:21.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If I don't see everything, that's okay. I can always come back. If I really love it here.
00:09:21.580 --> 00:09:23.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Why wouldn't I want to come back?
00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:29.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I've really gotten to that point of, when I go somewhere.
00:09:31.980 --> 00:09:34.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't want to do everything.
00:09:35.950 --> 00:09:47.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you know what? If I'm not having that good a time, if I have no intention of coming back, then why would I want to rush and just drive myself crazy doing all these different things?
00:09:49.730 --> 00:09:55.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're busy enough in our day-to-day life that when we take a break, let's really take a break.
00:10:00.800 --> 00:10:08.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… This idea of watching nature, and noticing how slowly nature moves.
00:10:10.280 --> 00:10:18.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That observation came from me taking time and paying attention to what was going on around me.
00:10:22.750 --> 00:10:26.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There is so much we can learn.
00:10:27.520 --> 00:10:29.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From just what's around us.
00:10:31.630 --> 00:10:35.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I'm sure… If you're listening to this and you live in
00:10:36.030 --> 00:10:43.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the country, in the woods, in a very rural area, and you're surrounded by nature, you probably live this every day.
00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:56.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But, you know, I live in the middle of New York City, one of the busiest cities, if not the busiest city in the entire world. So, for me, this was a big lesson. A big lesson.
00:10:57.350 --> 00:11:02.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… What do you think you can do to slow down in your life?
00:11:05.340 --> 00:11:10.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How do you think slowing down can help you in your own day-to-day life?
00:11:11.970 --> 00:11:14.180 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To just take it a little easier.
00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? We're here to enjoy our life.
00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That let life drive us crazy.
00:11:22.770 --> 00:11:25.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But it's up to us, we always have the choice.
00:11:27.030 --> 00:11:36.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And look, are there times when we absolutely need to rush, we have to get things done, when we're working against deadlines, and we gotta do stuff? Of course!
00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:38.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm not a fanatic.
00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:47.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if you look around at the world, we're rushing way, way, way more than we have to.
00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:54.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… This is my message for you today.
00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That life is lived.
00:11:57.450 --> 00:12:01.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In the small, slow moments.
00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:10.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And of course, if you… you can always find my blog on my personally branded website, theconsciousconsultant.com.
00:12:10.300 --> 00:12:27.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or, on the station website at www.talkradio.nyc slash blog. And if you like my blog, hey, I got a whole book full of them called Everyday Awakening, and you can find it wherever books are sold.
00:12:27.670 --> 00:12:32.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, now, it is my pleasure to welcome to the show
00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:38.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Visionary entrepreneur, speaker, and transformational coach, Curtis Morley.
00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:41.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Curtis is a 6-time entrepreneur.
00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:57.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: speaker, mentor, and coach, educator, thought leader, mountaineer, and patent holder. Definitely gotta ask you about the patent. He's a Wall Street journalist and a best-selling author who had a number one release on Amazon.
00:12:57.250 --> 00:13:06.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Curtis has built companies achieving 20 times growth and acquired 96 of the Fortune 100 companies as clients.
00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:21.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He's been Entrepreneur of the Year, 40 Under 40, and on Inc.'s 500 out of 5,000 6 times, including Hall of Fame and Honored in London with the International Company of the Year Award.
00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:29.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He has been heard on over a thousand radio stations and podcasts by millions of people around the world.
00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:47.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Curtis is a contributor to Forbes, Fast Company, Lifehacker, and Inc, and has been featured on Amazon Prime Video, NPR, Apple TV, Bloomberg TV, and multiple news stations, because Curtis is a sought-after speaker and has presented at events around the globe.
00:13:47.330 --> 00:13:50.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Curtis.
00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.470 Curtis J. Morley: Sam, thanks so much for having me. I'm honored to be here.
00:13:53.470 --> 00:14:01.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: My pleasure, my pleasure. It's wonderful to have somebody so accomplished and such a thought leader as yourself.
00:14:01.950 --> 00:14:02.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: …
00:14:03.430 --> 00:14:14.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm really curious, like, as a kid, did you have a paper route? I mean, were you, like, an entrepreneur from, like, a young age, or was this something that kind of developed later in life for you?
00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:27.409 Curtis J. Morley: You know, it was… it was from the youngest ages. I… I went door-to-door in my little teeny town in Utah and sold greeting cards as… I think I was 6 or 7 years old?
00:14:27.820 --> 00:14:29.939 Curtis J. Morley: Going door to door.
00:14:30.110 --> 00:14:37.469 Curtis J. Morley: trying to earn my bow and arrow kit that… that I did earn.
00:14:37.470 --> 00:14:56.509 Curtis J. Morley: I'm happy to say that I made that, but it was lemonade stands, greeting cards, I had my… I had my little brother, actually, he loved to act and do plays. I had him and his friends create plays, and then I set up the chairs. I went around all of their parents and charged them a quarter.
00:14:56.890 --> 00:15:01.569 Curtis J. Morley: see the show. It was… yeah, it's been a… it's been a lifelong endeavor.
00:15:01.570 --> 00:15:13.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, that's funny, that's funny. Yeah, myself included, when I was a kid, my first thing that I got paid to do, was a friend of mine's brother
00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:36.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: used to deliver the dry cleaning for the local dry cleaner, and he was away one summer, and so my friend was doing it, and he said, hey, do you want to do this for a few days? I'm like, yeah, sure! And, you know, I made money doing that, and then I kind of got the bug, and then I think when I was a little bit older in junior high school, me and a friend, we used to go around on Saturday nights with the Sunday papers, with the Sunday Daily News.
00:15:36.370 --> 00:15:50.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And we'd get a bundle off the delivery truck, and we'd go around and sell them individually at all the bars in the neighborhood, and charge people, like, twice what it was. So, you know, I got the bug also, like you, being an entrepreneur at a young age.
00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:52.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, well, …
00:15:52.900 --> 00:16:03.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I want to get into, you know, what your upcoming book is all about, called Counterfeit Emotions, but let's… let's take people on the journey, but we're going to take a quick break first.
00:16:03.410 --> 00:16:21.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so when we come back, let's talk about, sort of how you decided to become an author after being a coach, and what you saw and what you observed from working with people that kind of helped you to develop your message, okay?
00:16:21.830 --> 00:16:22.870 Curtis J. Morley: Sounds great.
00:16:22.870 --> 00:16:23.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:16:23.300 --> 00:16:24.129 Curtis J. Morley: We're good.
00:16:24.780 --> 00:16:42.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Awesome. So, everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We do this every Thursday, 12 noon to 1pm Eastern Time, right here on TalkRadio.nyc and all over social media. And we'll be right back with our guest, Curtis Morley, in just a moment.
00:18:57.710 --> 00:19:15.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. We're speaking this hour with entrepreneur, speaker, and the number one best-selling author, Curtis Morley. So, Curtis, how did you get into the kind of coaching, consulting realm?
00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:34.840 Curtis J. Morley: So, the original… so, as you shared in the bio, the original was that, I've been an entrepreneur most of my life, mostly working with high-tech companies, starting different organizations that I was passionate about, and…
00:19:35.060 --> 00:19:38.490 Curtis J. Morley: When I… when I left my last company.
00:19:38.620 --> 00:19:48.209 Curtis J. Morley: I… I really had a passion around helping other entrepreneurs, around helping them to be able to say… to not make the mistakes that I made.
00:19:48.210 --> 00:20:01.429 Curtis J. Morley: When… when I was 26-year-old Curtis, starting my first company. And, and that's… that's why I… I chose to write The Entrepreneur's Paradox.
00:20:01.430 --> 00:20:05.679 Curtis J. Morley: was… truly, I wrote the book
00:20:05.810 --> 00:20:20.329 Curtis J. Morley: for that 26-year-old entrepreneur that was making every possible mistake. And for me, not only did I make all of the mistakes, I made them a couple times, just to make sure I got them. I was like, you know, I'm not sure I got that one, I'm gonna do it again.
00:20:20.330 --> 00:20:23.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
00:20:23.500 --> 00:20:36.219 Curtis J. Morley: And so, I wrote the book for that purpose, to help those new entrepreneurs that are excited about a passion that they have, that they think they can do good in the world, but they've never built a business before.
00:20:36.340 --> 00:20:51.119 Curtis J. Morley: And, like you said, it hit the Wall Street Journal bestseller list, it was the number one Amazon bestseller, and, and my publisher was pretty excited about it, and we had come up with an idea.
00:20:51.160 --> 00:21:06.700 Curtis J. Morley: around, let's do a three-book series. The next book was going to be titled, The Timeline of Business, because what I found is not only does everybody make the same mistakes when they're starting companies, but they make them in the same order.
00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:14.450 Curtis J. Morley: And so, if you tell me where you're at in business, what mistake you made last, I can tell you what's coming next.
00:21:14.450 --> 00:21:15.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. You know.
00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:30.320 Curtis J. Morley: pretty predictive way. And I was in the middle of that, and writing my next book, and pretty excited about it, and I got the blessing of having a complete life shift.
00:21:30.860 --> 00:21:31.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:21:32.080 --> 00:21:36.330 Curtis J. Morley: And… and it came in the form of a lot of pain.
00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:46.649 Curtis J. Morley: And the, … I personally went through a divorce, and I had a dear friend named Jerry.
00:21:47.450 --> 00:21:54.340 Curtis J. Morley: Who, … who was… About a year behind me in his divorce.
00:21:54.700 --> 00:22:14.440 Curtis J. Morley: And Jerry was one of my best friends from college. He, was hilarious, could make any room of people laugh, just uproariously. And, and he would come over, and it was kind of funny, Sam, because every time when he'd leave my house, he'd say, Curtis, I hate you.
00:22:16.350 --> 00:22:21.609 Curtis J. Morley: Like, okay, Jerry, why do you hate me? And he said, because you make me cry, and I hate crying.
00:22:23.360 --> 00:22:34.969 Curtis J. Morley: And, … and Jerry was just… he was the life of the party. He was always, you know, he had a humor that just never stopped. And, …
00:22:35.690 --> 00:22:44.440 Curtis J. Morley: And unfortunately, Jerry was going through some really hard things himself. His divorce, some issues with some addictive behaviors.
00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:45.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Huh.
00:22:45.140 --> 00:22:51.230 Curtis J. Morley: Things like that, and… And… Hmm.
00:22:53.590 --> 00:22:55.169 Curtis J. Morley: It still hurts.
00:22:55.170 --> 00:22:55.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ….
00:22:55.780 --> 00:22:57.530 Curtis J. Morley: And Jerry left us.
00:22:57.800 --> 00:22:58.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah….
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.399 Curtis J. Morley: Jerry left us at his own hand.
00:23:02.080 --> 00:23:11.559 Curtis J. Morley: And… And I… I think it's important to remember him. This is… this is him, Jerry.
00:23:11.560 --> 00:23:12.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:23:13.820 --> 00:23:33.619 Curtis J. Morley: And when that happened, I was not okay. I was not okay with how he left us. And I said, this is not okay, I have to do something. And at the time, I was starting to unveil these principles around counterfeit emotions.
00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:37.989 Curtis J. Morley: first one that I discovered was pain versus misery.
00:23:38.260 --> 00:23:49.480 Curtis J. Morley: That pain is authentic. Pain is actually an important, inevitable part of life, but misery… misery is optional.
00:23:49.690 --> 00:24:08.580 Curtis J. Morley: Yes. We get to choose what we do with our pain if we bury it under the tar and sludge of misery, or if we take our pain and put it on the side of joy, and put it on the side of love. And if we do that, then we honor our pain and we turn it into a sacred sorrow.
00:24:09.330 --> 00:24:09.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:22.339 Curtis J. Morley: And Jerry didn't understand the difference between pain and misery. He didn't understand the difference between guilt and shame. He didn't understand the difference between sobriety and recovery.
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:23.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm….
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:42.549 Curtis J. Morley: And when all of this happened, kind of in conjunction with each other, I called my publisher and I said, hey, I know we're in the middle of this next book, but I need to push pause, and I don't even know if I'll ever come back to that book, because I need to write a book called Counterfeit Emotions.
00:24:43.370 --> 00:24:44.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow. Wow.
00:24:45.090 --> 00:24:50.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, we'll get into what are counterfeit emotions in a moment.
00:24:50.890 --> 00:24:54.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But I just want to let you know that I can so relate.
00:24:54.620 --> 00:25:00.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to… What you went through, because about 15 years ago.
00:25:00.300 --> 00:25:08.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right around the time when, right after I took over the station and the wellness center from the former owner.
00:25:08.590 --> 00:25:15.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: … My best friend from high school and junior high school, committed suicide as well.
00:25:15.820 --> 00:25:18.170 Curtis J. Morley: And… I'm so sorry, Sam.
00:25:18.170 --> 00:25:21.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… and again, same thing. He was the life of the party.
00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:32.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He was a wonderful friend to be around, he would joke all the time, we would… we would get together, and we would laugh about silly stuff until our sides hurt.
00:25:33.470 --> 00:25:37.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I never knew that he had suffered from depression most of his life.
00:25:38.060 --> 00:25:38.890 Curtis J. Morley: Hmm.
00:25:38.890 --> 00:25:42.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, I'd been at his wedding, I had no idea, and…
00:25:42.350 --> 00:25:44.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It was just a few months.
00:25:45.520 --> 00:25:48.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: before… He left us.
00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:54.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that my wife and I got together with him and his wife, And he…
00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:59.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: told me that he was suffering from depression. I had no idea.
00:25:59.560 --> 00:26:05.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, you know, we talked about it a little bit, he didn't make a big deal of it, we didn't talk about it a lot.
00:26:05.850 --> 00:26:06.500 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:26:07.060 --> 00:26:09.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then, you know, I get this message.
00:26:10.110 --> 00:26:15.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on Facebook from his brother, letting me know what happened, you know, a few months later.
00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:24.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, … You know, there's… when it's so unexpected like that, there's such a shock that comes first.
00:26:26.790 --> 00:26:30.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… And I remember thinking, like.
00:26:32.170 --> 00:26:39.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: why didn't he come to me if he was in so much pain? Like, there's so many things I have now, there's so many things I do, I could have helped him.
00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:41.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But….
00:26:41.550 --> 00:26:42.060 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:26:42.060 --> 00:26:48.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, when you're in the middle of that kind of pain, you don't reach out, you know? That's the thing, people…
00:26:48.770 --> 00:26:52.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like myself, you know, expect others to reach out to us.
00:26:53.080 --> 00:26:57.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we don't reach out, and we're the ones who really need to reach out to people.
00:26:58.940 --> 00:27:02.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, yeah, it was just such a shock.
00:27:03.130 --> 00:27:10.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… And over the years of running the station and doing what I do, I've learned that
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:21.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: really, suicide touches so many lives. When I took over the station, there was a gentleman, Larry Bloom, who was a divorce lawyer.
00:27:21.490 --> 00:27:35.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whose brother had committed suicide, and every year, there's this walk, a midnight walk across the Brooklyn Bridge for suicide awareness, and he used to talk about that every year.
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:41.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then, years later, we had a gentleman on the network, …
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:45.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who used to do a show with us called Extra Innings.
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:52.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That was all about how he lost his older brother and older sister to suicide.
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.030 Curtis J. Morley: And….
00:27:54.120 --> 00:27:57.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The thing that saved him was baseball.
00:27:58.170 --> 00:28:03.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, you know, he had become, like, a minor league player, I think, in college.
00:28:03.860 --> 00:28:04.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: …
00:28:05.320 --> 00:28:10.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But how his love of baseball was actually the thing that saved him, and from his show, I learned…
00:28:11.330 --> 00:28:14.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: even more about how much. And then…
00:28:15.530 --> 00:28:19.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I was at a conference. It was actually a conference about psychedelics.
00:28:20.420 --> 00:28:29.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, it was the person who started Compass Pathways. It was a psilocybin company.
00:28:29.870 --> 00:28:37.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And he stood up there, and he started off his talk like this. He said, …
00:28:38.860 --> 00:28:44.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He said, everyone stand up, the whole room stand up was, like, 800 people. Says, okay.
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If you personally…
00:28:48.520 --> 00:28:57.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: have been touched by suicide, meaning someone you personally know, a close friend, a close relative, committed suicide in the last 6 months, sit down.
00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:05.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I see all these people sit down. He says, okay, if it was in the last 10 years, sit down. All these other people sit down.
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:10.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: He said, if you know of anyone who got touched by suicide in the last 6 months, sit down.
00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:26.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And… and he goes through all these things, and then by the end, you look around, he says, look around how many people are still standing. It was a handful of people out of the whole audience who had not been touched by suicide. He said… and he was… point he was making was that… because he had lost his son to suicide.
00:29:27.350 --> 00:29:32.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That it's something that touches almost everybody's life in this society.
00:29:32.890 --> 00:29:44.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet it's something we do not… Honor, talk about… Give… give space for… to talk about.
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:56.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, and I wonder… If the reason why… Is what you said before, about…
00:29:57.270 --> 00:30:00.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The difference between experiencing the pain
00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:03.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the misery or suffering that comes with it.
00:30:03.940 --> 00:30:04.400 Curtis J. Morley: Hmm.
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That, that we can marinate in.
00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we don't truly honor how we're feeling in the moment.
00:30:12.330 --> 00:30:12.930 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:30:13.130 --> 00:30:13.920 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:18.290 Curtis J. Morley: That's… that's why… that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.
00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:19.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:21.799 Curtis J. Morley: Specifically because of that.
00:30:22.350 --> 00:30:27.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Excellent, excellent. Well, … I want to just pause for a moment.
00:30:28.180 --> 00:30:29.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We're gonna take a quick break.
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:37.399 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we come back, … Let's really get into what are counterfeit emotions.
00:30:38.070 --> 00:30:41.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what was the kind of light bulb
00:30:41.510 --> 00:30:48.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: From this experience of losing your best friend, That kind of…
00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:52.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Made you see it that way, and helped you to really…
00:30:52.260 --> 00:30:57.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Frame things in a way that people don't normally frame, okay?
00:30:57.940 --> 00:30:58.969 Curtis J. Morley: Sounds great.
00:30:59.770 --> 00:31:00.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful.
00:31:00.850 --> 00:31:10.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, everybody, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity, and we'll be right back with our guest, Curtis Morley.
00:31:11.100 --> 00:31:12.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: In just a moment.
00:33:20.040 --> 00:33:32.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity. A conversation went really deep, really quick, going from, selling greeting cards to losing,
00:33:32.870 --> 00:33:34.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our dear friends.
00:33:34.870 --> 00:33:37.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So… so, Curtis, you… you…
00:33:37.580 --> 00:33:46.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You briefly touched upon it, but I really want to get into it, that from this very painful experience, your own divorce, losing your best friend.
00:33:47.020 --> 00:33:49.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dealing with this pain.
00:33:50.340 --> 00:34:02.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that this idea of, sort of, counterfeit emotions came up for you, and I'm just curious if you can remember, like, what was the instant, the moment, the light bulb experience that really
00:34:03.800 --> 00:34:06.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Caused you to see it in this way?
00:34:07.710 --> 00:34:24.020 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, the very first… the very first dyad or pair of emotions that I discovered or I uncovered was the idea of pain and misery. My entire life, I had thought that there was this big wall.
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:37.830 Curtis J. Morley: And on one side of the wall was pain, and on the other side of the wall was joy and love. And they were completely exclusive, that you either have pain or you have joy. You have pain or you have love. You don't have both.
00:34:38.610 --> 00:34:44.480 Curtis J. Morley: And when I got into the deepest pain I had ever felt.
00:34:44.630 --> 00:34:50.560 Curtis J. Morley: And when I lost my friend Jerry, And I realized…
00:34:50.690 --> 00:35:10.150 Curtis J. Morley: that this side of the wall was not pain. I had mislabeled this side of the wall my entire life, because I thought if I'm experiencing pain, that something is bad. That either I'm bad, my choices are bad, my situation's bad, there's bad associated with this side of the wall.
00:35:10.150 --> 00:35:13.140 Curtis J. Morley: And… and that that's called pain.
00:35:13.290 --> 00:35:16.150 Curtis J. Morley: And when I realized that that wasn't…
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:22.130 Curtis J. Morley: actually pain. That I had mislabeled it because this side of the wall was misery.
00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:26.229 Curtis J. Morley: And misery, by definition, is the absence of joy.
00:35:26.640 --> 00:35:36.250 Curtis J. Morley: Misery IS this side of the wall, it is exclusive. But I get to make the choice of what side of the wall I put my pain.
00:35:36.390 --> 00:35:45.519 Curtis J. Morley: I can either bury it deep underneath that sludge and tar that traps it inside, or I can lift it and honor it.
00:35:45.830 --> 00:35:56.359 Curtis J. Morley: and have joy and pain at the same time. Most of us think, oh, I'm gonna have pain, and then when I'm done with the pain, then I can have joy.
00:35:56.550 --> 00:35:56.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:35:56.890 --> 00:36:00.090 Curtis J. Morley: And when I make it through the pain, then I can have joy.
00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:03.700 Curtis J. Morley: And what I learned was that you can have both
00:36:03.750 --> 00:36:20.839 Curtis J. Morley: at the same time. That pain and joy can exist simultaneously, that they don't have to be separate, and one fascinating thing about pain is that pain is one of the few authentic emotions that are not meant to be held.
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:21.610 Curtis J. Morley: They're meant.
00:36:21.610 --> 00:36:22.160 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Damn.
00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:23.010 Curtis J. Morley: belt.
00:36:23.160 --> 00:36:35.670 Curtis J. Morley: The purpose of pain is to move us to action, and it's to get us to do something. And when we feel that, and when we let it flow through us, and when we have it take us to action.
00:36:35.850 --> 00:36:39.089 Curtis J. Morley: Then… We say, okay.
00:36:39.290 --> 00:36:48.680 Curtis J. Morley: I… pain has served its purpose, but what we do oftentimes is the sludge of misery, it traps that pain.
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.380 Curtis J. Morley: And, like I said, it's not meant to be held.
00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:52.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:36:52.240 --> 00:37:00.210 Curtis J. Morley: And when the misery traps it, that means that it just cycles inside of us and becomes trauma.
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.440 Curtis J. Morley: Right. It becomes that trauma. And…
00:37:03.690 --> 00:37:14.079 Curtis J. Morley: And pain is not supposed to live here. Pain is supposed to move through us, it's supposed to flow through us. But misery, which has two base emotions, blame and shame.
00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:17.359 Curtis J. Morley: That's what traps the pain inside.
00:37:17.570 --> 00:37:24.850 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah. And when… it's not until we can scrape away the blame and shame that we can let the pain flow through.
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:27.529 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know, reminds me of that…
00:37:27.750 --> 00:37:32.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: old quote from the Dalai Lama that he said, life is pain.
00:37:33.370 --> 00:37:35.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But suffering is optional.
00:37:36.100 --> 00:37:36.920 Curtis J. Morley: Hmm.
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I remember when I heard that, it, like, kind of confused me, and I'm like, huh?
00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:49.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we're in pain, we suffer. What do you mean, suffering is optional? Until years later, …
00:37:49.770 --> 00:37:55.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when, I discovered one of my teachers, and he would talk about
00:37:55.630 --> 00:38:00.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That suffering comes from the stories that we make up around the pain.
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:01.940 Curtis J. Morley: Hmm.
00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:07.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that that's where the suffering comes from, like, then it all started to make sense for me.
00:38:07.290 --> 00:38:14.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And that then… the… and this is, you know, a lot of the work I do with people is…
00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:17.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is around just feeling.
00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:22.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Like, when we just feel the raw emotion, there's no story around it.
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So we don't have to suffer, we have to feel it.
00:38:27.070 --> 00:38:38.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because it's in our nervous system, it's in our body, in our, you know, the famous book from Bessel, The Body Keeps the Score, it's in there, it's in the cells.
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:42.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it's gonna live there and stay there.
00:38:43.010 --> 00:38:48.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But it doesn't have to control us if we allow, as you say, it, to flow through us.
00:38:49.160 --> 00:38:49.850 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:38:50.060 --> 00:38:57.360 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, and that… that is… that is the nature of pain, is pain is… is actually a blessing.
00:38:58.030 --> 00:39:10.359 Curtis J. Morley: Right. Because you cannot grow without some degree of pain. And people are like, wait a minute, no, I, you know, I took this class and I learned a lot. Well, pain is a spectrum.
00:39:10.620 --> 00:39:19.070 Curtis J. Morley: Pain that says, you know, you've got extreme physical pain, you've got extreme emotional pain, but on the other end of the spectrum is discomfort.
00:39:19.220 --> 00:39:23.680 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah. That's a form of pain. And if you think about the comfort zone.
00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:43.569 Curtis J. Morley: Growth doesn't happen inside the comfort zone. Comfort happens. Growth happens in the growth zone, and that's where the pain comes in. And we can either give ourselves discomfort of learning something new, or trying something new, or building a business, or creating a podcast, or whatever it is.
00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:51.720 Curtis J. Morley: but then that creates that discomfort, at the very least. And so, when we look at it in that way, when we say pain is a gift.
00:39:52.690 --> 00:39:55.830 Curtis J. Morley: Then it changes the equation entirely.
00:39:56.070 --> 00:40:15.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. Because it changes our story around it, right? It's like, oh, if pain isn't suffering, if now it's a gift, then I don't have to make up these stories that, oh, there must be something… I'm feeling pain because there's something wrong with me, or I'm feeling pain because, you know, I did something bad, or all this stuff. Now we're…
00:40:16.330 --> 00:40:19.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, okay, I'm feeling pain because I need to take action.
00:40:20.220 --> 00:40:30.719 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, and when we can understand the true nature of pain, that pain is an indicator to take action, we take that action and the pain leaves. It's gone.
00:40:30.870 --> 00:40:44.030 Curtis J. Morley: Whereas misery says, no, no, no, let's trap that right inside, let's trap that pain so it just cycles, so it just goes over and over again. And when we do that, the pain can't release.
00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:47.690 Curtis J. Morley: And that's where we… that's what we call trauma.
00:40:47.690 --> 00:40:49.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, that's where we get stuck in the cycle.
00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:53.109 Curtis J. Morley: the pain that… that continues. Yeah.
00:40:53.110 --> 00:40:56.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So this was the first, sort of, pair of, like.
00:40:57.010 --> 00:41:03.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: counterfeit emotion versus the real emotion. What other kinds of pairs of counterfeit emotions did you discover?
00:41:04.330 --> 00:41:08.470 Curtis J. Morley: The second one was that nice is the counterfeit of kind.
00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:10.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ….
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:28.709 Curtis J. Morley: And this one, this one kind of blows people's minds. They're like, wait a minute, hold on, time out. I've been told to be nice my entire life. What are you talking about? That nice is a counterfeit emotion? And the truth is, yes. That nice is nothing more than a defense mechanism.
00:41:28.770 --> 00:41:30.860 Curtis J. Morley: To avoid conflict.
00:41:31.060 --> 00:41:40.040 Curtis J. Morley: If there's any chance of this happening, of this conflict, NICE says, I'm gonna avoid that at all costs.
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:42.429 Curtis J. Morley: But kind does something different.
00:41:42.680 --> 00:41:43.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm….
00:41:43.370 --> 00:41:50.319 Curtis J. Morley: Kind says… I'm going to transform conflict into connection.
00:41:50.970 --> 00:41:51.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:41:51.860 --> 00:42:01.179 Curtis J. Morley: Because anytime, anytime there's a… there's an opportunity for conflict or confrontation, there's also an opportunity for connection.
00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:02.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:16.980 Curtis J. Morley: is the breeding ground for connection, is because your life was different than mine, because you grew up in New York City, and I grew up in Utah, because we've had different life experiences. That means we can connect in new ways, we can learn from each other.
00:42:17.100 --> 00:42:21.880 Curtis J. Morley: But oftentimes, all we see is that opportunity for conflict.
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:22.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:42:22.460 --> 00:42:25.700 Curtis J. Morley: Instead of an opportunity for connection.
00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:28.729 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, it's kind of like…
00:42:29.870 --> 00:42:41.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We… we grew up in very different environments, but we had some similar experiences. So there's some commonality there, but there's this sort of rich tapestry of the difference.
00:42:41.810 --> 00:42:42.210 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:52.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And, you know, I was brought up Jewish. I'm pretty sure you're not Jewish. You know, so there's all these differences.
00:42:52.470 --> 00:43:06.019 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But we're still human beings, and so there is always an opportunity to connect on that human level, because there is at least some base, common experiences that we can share with each other.
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:13.749 Curtis J. Morley: Exactly, yeah. And that's beautiful. And one of my… one of my favorite emotions is curiosity.
00:43:14.090 --> 00:43:24.319 Curtis J. Morley: Curiosity is so transcendent. It is one of the most transcendent emotions. Curiosity, surrender, there's a couple other truly transcendent emotions.
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:24.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:29.240 Curtis J. Morley: And curiosity has the counterfeit of suspicion.
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:30.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh….
00:43:31.530 --> 00:43:43.260 Curtis J. Morley: Curiosity says, I want to see you, I want to know you, I want to be in your heart. And suspicion says, I'm gonna mount evidence against you.
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:43.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So….
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:57.560 Curtis J. Morley: that I can make my argument, or I can convict you sometime in the future, where curiosity just says, I want to see you. I want to experience what you have experienced. I want to know who you are.
00:43:57.560 --> 00:44:02.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. I want to know what's really going on underneath there.
00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:03.220 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:44:03.640 --> 00:44:06.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love that.
00:44:06.750 --> 00:44:23.829 Curtis J. Morley: It was funny because my… the way I've learned about Kinda Nice is I had a friend, and 10 years ago, if you would have asked anyone, like, who is Curtis Morley? They wouldn't have said, oh, he's an emotionologist writing a book. They would have said, he is the nicest guy you will ever meet.
00:44:23.830 --> 00:44:25.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ….
00:44:25.010 --> 00:44:41.020 Curtis J. Morley: And I hope to never hear those words again. I really do. Because my friend called, and he's like, Curtis, do people tell you you're a nice guy? And I'm like, yeah! Thinking he was gonna praise me like everyone else did, because I'm so dang nice.
00:44:41.020 --> 00:44:41.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:44:41.540 --> 00:44:45.819 Curtis J. Morley: And he said, the nice guy is the most despicable person on the planet.
00:44:47.180 --> 00:44:50.649 Curtis J. Morley: I was like, oh man, you totally just set me up for that.
00:44:51.600 --> 00:45:01.499 Curtis J. Morley: And as I dug in, I was like, wow, nice is not authentic, it's not honest. Nice is actually manipulative.
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:02.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm….
00:45:02.870 --> 00:45:13.660 Curtis J. Morley: And… and, yeah, digging into the science of it, the etymology of the work, like, the research around it became… became something that I just poured my heart into.
00:45:14.020 --> 00:45:21.040 Curtis J. Morley: And realized that kind is the virtue, nice is the defense mechanism.
00:45:21.040 --> 00:45:32.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. We be nice and have the same… same, experience as you, but nice is how… what we do in order to feel safe.
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:33.700 Curtis J. Morley: Yes.
00:45:33.700 --> 00:45:41.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Because at some point in our life, we didn't feel safe, and maybe there was some trauma from it, so it's like, oh, I gotta be nice so that people won't do this or that.
00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:58.800 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, and we try and control other people with our niceness. We try and control their anger, or their… or any type of uncomfortable situation with a smile, or with pleasantries, or with manners, and… and it's all surface level.
00:45:58.950 --> 00:46:01.849 Curtis J. Morley: Kind will always lean in.
00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:05.960 Curtis J. Morley: We'll have hard discussions done in love.
00:46:06.350 --> 00:46:07.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Nice.
00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:08.260 Curtis J. Morley: leans out.
00:46:08.520 --> 00:46:09.250 Curtis J. Morley: Nice says….
00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:10.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh….
00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:21.300 Curtis J. Morley: you stay over there, like, you be way over there, and I'm gonna have a smile, and you're gonna have a smile, but let's make sure there's no… there's no possibility for any type of conflict.
00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:24.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right, gotcha, gotcha.
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, I love this conversation. …
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, we gotta take a break. When we come back.
00:46:31.220 --> 00:46:39.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm just curious, like, just… we don't need to go through all of them, but just how many different counterfeit pairs you've found.
00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:47.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And what's been the reaction so far as you've talked to people, you've been developing this idea for a while, you've been writing the book?
00:46:47.650 --> 00:46:54.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, as you've spoken about this in different platforms, different ways, what kind of reaction you've gotten from it, okay?
00:46:54.510 --> 00:46:55.590 Curtis J. Morley: Sounds great.
00:46:55.590 --> 00:47:07.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to The Conscious Consultant Hour, Awakening Humanity, and we'll be right back to wrap it all up with our guest, Curtis Morley, in just a moment.
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:58.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Curtis, we've talked about a couple of these
00:48:58.810 --> 00:49:09.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pairs of counterfeit emotions. This is such a juicy topic, we could probably dig into it for hours. Unfortunately, we only have one hour for this show. How many different
00:49:10.310 --> 00:49:15.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: counterfeit pairs of emotions have you found so far? I'm sure they're…
00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:19.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Even more than what you found so far, but how many have you come across so far?
00:49:20.450 --> 00:49:31.159 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, when I started this, we… we actually did several different focus groups, research studies, and we found thousands of emotions. Literally thousands.
00:49:31.160 --> 00:49:31.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: houses.
00:49:32.220 --> 00:49:43.040 Curtis J. Morley: And it's fascinating, because Brene Brown says that when they studied 7,000 people, most people were only able to identify 3 emotions that they feel.
00:49:43.310 --> 00:49:46.200 Curtis J. Morley: Sad, mad, and glad. And that's it.
00:49:46.200 --> 00:49:47.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ….
00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:55.850 Curtis J. Morley: And we found thousands of motions, and we've distilled them down to 42 different dyads, or 42 different pairs.
00:49:55.980 --> 00:50:00.050 Curtis J. Morley: of emotions. And, we talked about.
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:11.620 Curtis J. Morley: We talked about pain versus misery, and, and kind versus nice. Some of the others are, for example, guilt versus shame.
00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:12.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:50:12.870 --> 00:50:17.170 Curtis J. Morley: And guilt in today's world is getting a really bad rap.
00:50:17.170 --> 00:50:17.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm.
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.189 Curtis J. Morley: People are always saying, oh, don't let them guilt you, that's such a guilt trip, and….
00:50:22.190 --> 00:50:22.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No.
00:50:22.600 --> 00:50:37.049 Curtis J. Morley: And what they're actually talking about is shame. Shame does such a good job at counterfeiting guilt that we don't even know when we're feeling one or the other. And the fascinating thing about guilt and shame is that,
00:50:37.170 --> 00:50:44.649 Curtis J. Morley: There's a direct correlation From shame, which is the lowest frequency emotion we can feel.
00:50:44.860 --> 00:50:45.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:50:45.190 --> 00:50:53.840 Curtis J. Morley: From shame into bullying, suicidal ideation, criminal behavior. You want to get into addiction, get into shame.
00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:55.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ….
00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:04.029 Curtis J. Morley: And Brene Brown, as well as the University of Oslo, did two independent studies, and for the first time, they flipped it, and they said, well, what about guilt?
00:51:04.670 --> 00:51:07.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And they found that shame was the way in.
00:51:07.830 --> 00:51:10.230 Curtis J. Morley: And guilt was the way out.
00:51:10.860 --> 00:51:12.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, interesting.
00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:31.910 Curtis J. Morley: is such a beautiful, healthy emotion, because guilt says, I hurt you, and I have empathy for you, therefore I want to repay. I want to make you whole. And that's actually the etymology of the word. It comes from an old English word, guilden, which means to make whole. The feeling of guilt….
00:51:31.910 --> 00:51:33.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh….
00:51:33.100 --> 00:51:34.700 Curtis J. Morley: Feeling to make whole.
00:51:35.110 --> 00:51:37.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow. Wow.
00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:42.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, that's something. That's something. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's fascinating.
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:49.239 Curtis J. Morley: It is, and yet, guilt says, I did something wrong. Shame says, I am wrong.
00:51:49.520 --> 00:51:50.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:55.189 Curtis J. Morley: Guilt says I made a mistake. Shame says, my existence on Earth is a mistake.
00:51:55.190 --> 00:52:06.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right. It's the difference between something that's focused… guilt focused on the behavior, whereas shame is focused on the identity. Like, it becomes an identity that we take on.
00:52:06.260 --> 00:52:06.990 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah.
00:52:07.530 --> 00:52:22.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now, this is such a novel way of looking at emotions. I'm curious, you've been working on this for a while. What's been the reaction when you've talked to people about this and you've used it? What sort of has come up for people?
00:52:23.790 --> 00:52:25.460 Curtis J. Morley: It's been life-changing.
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:41.510 Curtis J. Morley: In so many cases, one of the ladies that took my mastermind on specifically kind versus nice, she said, for the first time in my life, I realize that I have not been kind
00:52:41.510 --> 00:52:46.600 Curtis J. Morley: to my perpetrator. She was sexually abused for years as a teenager.
00:52:46.600 --> 00:52:47.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm….
00:52:47.600 --> 00:52:51.789 Curtis J. Morley: She said, it's time to be kind, not only to myself.
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:59.099 Curtis J. Morley: But to him. And she reported him, and it really was a kind act, because then he could break out.
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.400 Curtis J. Morley: Of those behaviors.
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh….
00:53:01.780 --> 00:53:10.080 Curtis J. Morley: And he, he was actually still perpetrating. And it was the kindest thing she could have done, because when he was arrested.
00:53:10.610 --> 00:53:12.279 Curtis J. Morley: He was able to stop.
00:53:12.650 --> 00:53:13.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:28.060 Curtis J. Morley: And it's been transformational in business. Right now, in the U.S, $493 billion in lost revenue is attributed to nice behavior or nice culture in companies.
00:53:28.060 --> 00:53:29.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:53:29.160 --> 00:53:33.010 Curtis J. Morley: Because people don't want to speak up, they want to be the yes man, the doormat, the….
00:53:33.010 --> 00:53:33.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:40.580 Curtis J. Morley: placater, so I'm just gonna be nice, so I keep my job, and the company doesn't succeed.
00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:42.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:53:42.680 --> 00:53:43.310 Curtis J. Morley: And….
00:53:43.310 --> 00:53:51.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What would that look like in business? You gave us a personal example of the difference between kind and nice. What would be a business example of kind versus nice?
00:53:52.160 --> 00:54:01.399 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, I was… I was having a conversation with the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, and we talked about Kindverse, and he goes, Curtis, where were you last week?
00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:18.060 Curtis J. Morley: I had my entire executive team in the boardroom, and I pounded the table and I said, stop being nice. I don't want you to tell me my ideas are great, I don't want you to tell me that, you know, you're the best boss, way to go.
00:54:18.060 --> 00:54:25.889 Curtis J. Morley: I need you to tell me truth. And if it's not a good idea, or if there's a critical flaw, I need you to speak up.
00:54:25.970 --> 00:54:41.529 Curtis J. Morley: And, and there… there's… the Forbes Council in 2023, they did a research study that nice culture, or not wanting to seem un-nice, actually prevented people from reporting safety violations.
00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:43.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where people would get….
00:54:43.110 --> 00:54:47.990 Curtis J. Morley: hurt, because they didn't want to be the bad guy that ratted out Joe.
00:54:49.200 --> 00:54:51.370 Curtis J. Morley: Things like that. And….
00:54:51.370 --> 00:54:52.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow.
00:54:52.120 --> 00:55:02.270 Curtis J. Morley: And changing to that kind conversation, that's where… that's where it really changes the entire organization, but also the profitability and the revenue.
00:55:02.270 --> 00:55:03.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm….
00:55:03.510 --> 00:55:10.610 Curtis J. Morley: Nice culture stifles innovation. Nice culture doesn't look at market trends. Nice culture just says.
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.160 Curtis J. Morley: I want to avoid conflict, so whatever you say, that's what I say too.
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:21.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Interesting, interesting. You know, it's so fascinating, because
00:55:21.620 --> 00:55:33.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we tend to think of our emotional life as something different than what we bring to work, and we don't think it impacts work, but it actually does. You know, you've given us some tremendous examples.
00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:40.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of how it can truly impact even the profitability of a company. That's fascinating to me.
00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:46.980 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, one principle with leadership is understanding the difference between power and control.
00:55:47.310 --> 00:55:48.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:55:48.540 --> 00:55:52.850 Curtis J. Morley: Power is authentic. Power is what lives inside of us.
00:55:53.070 --> 00:55:56.310 Curtis J. Morley: Power is what we can do with our choices.
00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:57.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And….
00:55:57.430 --> 00:56:02.460 Curtis J. Morley: So, power lives inside, control is what we try to do to the outside.
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:03.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Mmm….
00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:10.100 Curtis J. Morley: And when we can change from a mindset of, I'm going to control, I'm going to be that micromanager.
00:56:10.330 --> 00:56:16.219 Curtis J. Morley: instead of that, saying, I'm gonna make the choices that I have the power to make.
00:56:16.290 --> 00:56:18.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then I'm gonna let them….
00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:21.329 Curtis J. Morley: whoever it is, I'm gonna let them make their choices.
00:56:21.550 --> 00:56:36.970 Curtis J. Morley: And I don't have to be attached to their choices or their outcomes. I don't have to be controlling and saying, you have to do this, this, this, and this. I can just say, here's my choices, and this is what I need from you. I hope you make those choices too, and then
00:56:36.970 --> 00:56:41.619 Curtis J. Morley: Work through in a place of power instead of a place of control.
00:56:41.900 --> 00:56:59.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah. Curtis, seriously, I could talk on this topic with you for hours, but unfortunately, we've run out of time. If people want to learn more about you, learn more about counterfeit Emotions, where can they go online? How can they find you?
00:56:59.970 --> 00:57:10.679 Curtis J. Morley: Yeah, go to counterfeitemotions.com is gonna be the best place. We also have a very active Facebook group called Counterfeit Emotions, and happy to,
00:57:10.720 --> 00:57:28.069 Curtis J. Morley: happy to connect on LinkedIn, or any of the social networks, and yeah, love to… love to bring the idea of counterfeit emotions. There's one principle before we end that I need to bring up, is that there's one emotion without a counterfeit.
00:57:28.540 --> 00:57:29.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh.
00:57:30.460 --> 00:57:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Which one is that?
00:57:32.020 --> 00:57:33.250 Curtis J. Morley: It's peace.
00:57:34.030 --> 00:57:35.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Huh.
00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:38.059 Curtis J. Morley: Peace can't be counterfeited.
00:57:38.700 --> 00:57:49.149 Curtis J. Morley: Every other authentic emotion can, but peace stands alone. And not only are there, there are emotional reasons, but there's actually neuroscience behind this as well.
00:57:49.180 --> 00:57:53.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The peace is so unique in the spectrum of emotions.
00:57:54.090 --> 00:57:59.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Huh. Interesting. I have to think about that for a while. How to really sit with that.
00:57:59.960 --> 00:58:08.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Peace, no counterfeit in motion. Okay, I'm gonna sit with that, and I'm gonna let you know if I find a counterfeit emotion for it, okay?
00:58:08.600 --> 00:58:09.890 Curtis J. Morley: Sounds great.
00:58:10.430 --> 00:58:21.330 Curtis J. Morley: Curtis, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to come on my show. I really appreciate it. I think this is such an important topic. When is the book Counterfeit Emotions coming out? In May of next year.
00:58:21.330 --> 00:58:30.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: May of 2006… 26. All right, but definitely, everyone, take a look for it. Thank you, Curtis. I really appreciate you and the work that you're doing.
00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:32.160 Curtis J. Morley: Thank you, Sam.
00:58:32.750 --> 00:58:57.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely, and of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in each week. Without you, there is no show. I so appreciate each and every one of you, and don't forget, if you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talkradio.nyc and all over social media and all the podcasting platforms, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Amazon, wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find The Conscious
00:58:57.690 --> 00:58:59.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Consultant Hour.
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