In our series Holistic Mental Health Approaches, we continue our discussion on ways to bring more mental wellbeing into our lives. This week we discuss the ways in which cannabis, used consciously, can be an ally in improving one's mental health and wellbeing.
Holistic or integrative mental health care looks at the whole person—mind, body, and spirit—and focuses on creating lasting wellness from the inside out. In this expanded 8-part series, Holistic Mental Health Approaches, we are taking a look at various approaches that can go a long way in improving one’s mental health and overall wellbeing.
This week we take a look at cannabis. Now legal in 40 states and DC for at least medicinal use, cannabis can be helpful in processing trauma, unlocking creative problem-solving and for spiritual exploration.
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In this opening segment of The Expansion Room, Shervon Laurice introduces a conversation on holistic mental health and the potential role of cannabis in supporting emotional and spiritual well-being. Guest Sarie McGlone shares her personal healing journey, describing how cannabis transformed her struggles with insomnia, chronic pain, and stress into a path of deeper balance, purpose, and professional expansion. Together, they highlight how shifting perspectives on this plant—especially CBD—can open doors to new layers of healing, self-discovery, and integration when explored consciously and with proper guidance.
In this segment of The Expansion Room, Shervon Laurice and Sarie McGlone explore the therapeutic role of cannabis in supporting mental health challenges such as anxiety, depression, grief, and PTSD. They describe how cannabis can calm the nervous system, foster presence, and gently surface unconscious material, making it a unique ally for trauma survivors by offering healing without stripping away autonomy. Framed as a “mirror” rather than a “roller coaster,” cannabis-assisted therapy is presented as a gentler, more flexible doorway into psychedelic healing—bridging mind, body, and spirit while preparing individuals for deeper transformational work.
In this segment of The Expansion Room, Shervon Laurice and Sarie McGlone distinguish recreational cannabis use from intentional, therapeutic practice. They explain how factors like set, setting, dosage, strain, music, and safe facilitation transform cannabis into a healing tool rather than just a pastime, allowing deeper emotional release and somatic processing. By emphasizing intention and integration, they show how cannabis-assisted therapy can create profound spiritual and psychological breakthroughs that support lasting wellness beyond the session itself.
In the closing segment of The Expansion Room, Shervon Laurice and Sarie McGlone emphasize that cannabis-assisted therapy can support those facing depression, anxiety, PTSD, burnout, and major life transitions—while also noting that certain conditions like unmanaged psychosis or seizure disorders may not be a safe fit. They highlight integration as the key to lasting change, encouraging practices like journaling, drawing, mindfulness, and post-session therapy to transform insights into healthier boundaries, resilience, and new life patterns. Ultimately, they advise approaching cannabis with intention, safe facilitation, and gradual dosing, reminding listeners that each person’s experience is unique and deeply personal.
00:00:52.450 --> 00:01:10.020 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Hello, and welcome to the Expansion Room. This is Siobhan Larisse, and I'm happy to be back with you this week, and we're going to be talking about, our continued topic of holistic mental health approaches.
00:01:10.020 --> 00:01:16.049 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And this week, we will be talking about ways to integrate cannabis
00:01:16.050 --> 00:01:37.649 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: into your mental health journey. And this week, I'm going to do a disclaimer. So, the views of the expansion room are not the views of TalkRadio.nyc, and if anything we discuss today resonates for you that you would like to try or do or bring into your life.
00:01:37.720 --> 00:01:49.130 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I highly recommend you either talk with your doctor, or therapist, or psychiatrist in order to be able to bring these things into your life in a healthy way.
00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:57.120 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So that being said, today I am joined by, Suri McGlone.
00:01:57.150 --> 00:02:15.339 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: She is a licensed clinical professional counselor, a cannabis educator, as well as a certified cannabis assistant psychedelic therapist. And I have the pleasure of working with her in my practice at Restore Tranquility.
00:02:15.420 --> 00:02:26.190 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, I brought her on today, because this is a topic that she and I have talked about many times before. And so, Seri, go ahead and…
00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:38.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Unmute and share with the audience a little bit about what brought you to this journey of working with people in mental health, as well as around cannabis.
00:02:39.110 --> 00:03:01.290 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Absolutely. Well, Siobhan, first I want to start off by saying thank you so much for inviting me. We have so many conversations about this, so it's good to really just be able to kind of hunker down and be like, okay, let's put it out there for the people to hear some of our internal conversations a little bit more and get to a good place of understanding, you know, where
00:03:01.290 --> 00:03:07.929 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: are… understanding of this plant, comes from. So I would first start to say that
00:03:08.330 --> 00:03:23.179 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I was not, not into cannabis at all. Like, all through high school and college, I side-looked everyone, especially my brothers. I was like, what you doing? You know, I was very much, …
00:03:23.180 --> 00:03:34.620 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: cookie cutter, like, I've tried it once, and I was like, it doesn't do nothing for me, I got anxiety, it's making it worse, it wasn't helping. And just, you know, being able to understand that
00:03:35.100 --> 00:03:47.510 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: even having that type of cannabis, like, back, you know, and I'm talking about, you know, almost 20 years ago, like, that's… that wasn't the cannabis we're experiencing now. It was not the same, and…
00:03:47.800 --> 00:04:02.580 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So I think, you know, I basically, you know, went ahead and got my psychology degree, you know, undergrad, and even social welfare, went on to, you know, go through, honestly, COVID,
00:04:02.650 --> 00:04:21.899 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: during the practicum internships, literally just got thrown in there of just, you know, trying to, you know, make ends meet, keep two jobs, but also pay my bills and be in grad school full-time. So I… during that time, I recognized that I was struggling, more than usual with my insomnia.
00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:24.780 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Always had insomnia, it's been something that was pretty persistent.
00:04:24.820 --> 00:04:38.169 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And then after, you know, years, like, I think 15 years of cheerleading, I also just had a lot of chronic pain. And so, I was, you know, okay, just kind of going through life, you know, just making it.
00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:59.739 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: just, you're kind of in survival mode, and it was hard, because even though I was this counselor and a therapist, and everyone was just like, you're doing such a great job, you're so zen, you're so, you know, everyone just loves, you know, when you're talking to them, I didn't necessarily feel good. I had to, you know, wake up struggle, pep talk myself every morning, and kind of felt like I was also putting on a mask.
00:04:59.740 --> 00:05:00.730 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: …
00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:16.310 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So just kind of going through that, you know, I graduated, I was like, okay, graduated, got my own place, you know, I was like, okay, I'm doing this, I got lonely, got a dog, you know, just going through all those, those, you know, usual, phases of life changes, those transitions, and…
00:05:16.410 --> 00:05:29.539 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I still was struggling. I was like, okay, well, I have everything. I got the apartment, I got the dog, so I'm not lonely, I got, you know, those type of things, but I was still… still, one, dealing with my chronic pain, but also, two, not sleeping. Having my, you know, the anxious thoughts.
00:05:29.540 --> 00:05:42.180 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: still kind of combat me sometimes, where I'm just like, okay, but everything is good, why do I still feel this way? And still struggling to kind of find that balance and get out of that survival mode. …
00:05:42.320 --> 00:05:53.550 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And so, I would say it was mainly, I think, 2022. So, pretty recent. Again, I'm now in my 30s, like, pretty recent, where…
00:05:53.760 --> 00:06:11.059 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I had a friend just kind of like, you know, this actually could help, you know, you don't sleep, that, you know, I'm talking about up 3 in the morning, like, you're not sleeping, what? And so, I tried a gummy. I was like, oh, wait, this… this kind of changed my whole life, like, I slept through the whole night.
00:06:11.080 --> 00:06:23.950 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I was like, I woke up feeling very well rested. I didn't even honestly really barely even feel that high feeling. It was literally, like, I just was able to finally rest my brain just enough, just to sleep through the night. And I was like.
00:06:23.950 --> 00:06:33.939 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Okay, wait, we gotta… let's go ahead and get signed up for medical at this point. Like, let's… I just immediately went and signed up for the medical program, in… here in Maryland, and …
00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:56.980 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: it wasn't… it wasn't too difficult at all, and started to kind of, like, explore what… what is cannabis? What… what does, you know, because I'm feeling that it makes me feel better, but what… what… what is all that's behind it? What's the science behind it? So doing my research, because I, you know, I have, I have ADHD and dyslexia, so I have my hyperfixations, and that's what my one hyperfixation was.
00:06:56.980 --> 00:07:03.089 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: for, honestly, a stint of a few… probably, like, a year of just cannabis. Everything cannabis, cannabis, cannabis.
00:07:03.090 --> 00:07:10.360 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And so I jumped into the research, and I came across, the Cannabis Coaching Institute.
00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:28.989 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So I was, you know, on top of having the chronic pain, and I also was having issues with my blood pressure, where it was so high because of the stress of my job, as a therapist, working with a lot of different… whether it was trauma, whether it was, you know, different things, I…
00:07:29.540 --> 00:07:43.900 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: was finding myself in the emergency room too often for my, for my taste, right? And… something just kind of had to give. So, again, I found this, this, this coaching, cannabis coaching institute. It was out of,
00:07:43.900 --> 00:07:52.719 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Canada. And I was like, okay, well, Canada is a lot more farther along in their cannabis research, so, okay, let me see what's going on there. I hopped on, like, an info meeting.
00:07:52.720 --> 00:08:08.310 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And one of the little caveats of the info meeting was like, okay, we'll choose someone random from the comments to give 50% off of our coach, like, to become a certified cannabis educator. So, okay, everyone's just all talking in the chat, everything's fine, and I got picked.
00:08:08.460 --> 00:08:09.110 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And I was like.
00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:10.900 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Oh, wow!
00:08:10.900 --> 00:08:23.350 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: okay, like, I actually got picked for the 50% off, and I was like, okay, well, I'mma go ahead and do this. And the crazy part was, the day that I had gotten picked and did that info,
00:08:23.350 --> 00:08:33.459 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: that info, video, workshop with them, it was the day I actually put my resignation in, because I was so overwhelmed with my job, and I had
00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:50.380 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: just gotten out the hospital, so I was just like, I just need something different. Something has got to give. So I just was like, you know, let me go ahead and just try this, and the fact to also get 50% off, I was like, yeah, we're going full head into it, let's get it, you know? So for the next 3 months, …
00:08:50.540 --> 00:09:01.910 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: still job searching, but not really job searching, just really trying to really pour into cannabis at that point. I dove right into their program. Their program said that it was supposed to take 8 to 9 months. I did it in 3 months.
00:09:01.910 --> 00:09:11.809 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I literally just went through all the modules, did all the homeworks, did the research, you know, I was making videos along with it to make sure that, you know, that not only was it
00:09:11.880 --> 00:09:12.970 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: …
00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:36.209 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I was learning the information, but I was also getting it in a way that I was able to articulate it to every lay language, just being able to explain it to everyone, and actually be the educator, and be comfortable talking on video, talking to people about this education. It's a little different from therapy, where, you know, the other person talks a little bit more, versus me having to have the knowledge and information to do that.
00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:47.790 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So, went ahead with that, got done with the program, loved the program. It was a great, great, program. Shout out to Corinne and Andrea for really putting together and piecing together
00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:49.869 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Those types of, …
00:09:50.080 --> 00:10:01.120 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: outlets where not only did they bring in the knowledge, but they also brought in actual clinical resources to really tie it all together. So, did that. I, ended up…
00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:24.870 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: going ahead and trying out different things, where now I'm a certified cannabis, educator, and I really wanted to make sure I was putting on workshops, but something still was missing, because I still miss therapy. I still was like, I still want to do therapy, though. Like, I don't want to… after, you know, going to undergrad, grad school, just to give it up, it just did not feel right and sit well with me. So I was like, well, honestly, it's really a combination of both.
00:10:24.870 --> 00:10:30.320 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I think there needs to be more of a conversation and a collaboration.
00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:34.249 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Of cannabis and mental health, because there are a lot of overlapping
00:10:34.250 --> 00:10:43.579 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: scenarios and situations that come up, at least for me. And so, I was like, okay, well, what else are we seeing out here? So…
00:10:43.580 --> 00:11:08.309 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I, you know, went ahead and, pushed through with, you know, Leafy Lifestyle, McGlone Consulting, as well as I did also apply to get a social equity license, which we… me and my husband did win, and so now we're in the process of opening up a cultivation. So it… it really has been just really embracing the… not only cannabis, as a therapeutic, but also embracing the culture of cannabis and understanding
00:11:08.420 --> 00:11:15.959 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: what the war on drugs really has done to this actual plant, and how it has demonized it so much.
00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:21.980 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So yeah, that's… that's… that's my story. That's why I'm here, and I can't get enough of it.
00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:30.830 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Well, thank you so much for sharing that. I did not know that you had won the 50% off to get that training. That's awesome.
00:11:31.540 --> 00:11:40.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Thank you for them for, like, offering that, right? Because it helped you extend your path to where you are now, so that's a wonderful thing.
00:11:40.420 --> 00:11:45.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: We're going to be talking a fair bit today about
00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:55.980 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the benefits of cannabis for one's mental health and mental and emotional well-being. But before we do that, I want to talk about…
00:11:55.980 --> 00:12:11.620 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: the benefits of cannabis that most people, or many people at least, already know in reference to the physical. So you mentioned the first, right, is insomnia. I was also introduced to cannabis because of insomnia.
00:12:11.620 --> 00:12:16.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But I was in my 40s. I, like you, was NOT.
00:12:16.750 --> 00:12:34.639 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I mean, I'm a preacher's kid, we grew up in a certain kind of household where we did not do that, and I used to side-eye friends in high school who did, right? And went straight through my adulthood until my 30s when I started to develop, symptoms of an autoimmune issue.
00:12:34.640 --> 00:12:44.720 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And when cannabis became legal here in, the state of Maryland, I had already started hearing about the research.
00:12:45.670 --> 00:12:58.539 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And I hate pain medication. It has so many side effects. And so, I just decided to give it a try. So, cannabis is a wonderful ally for pain management.
00:12:59.070 --> 00:13:15.150 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's an anti-inflammatory on the body, and it helps with relaxation and insomnia, all of which are helpful for a person who has an autoimmune disease, or an autoimmune issue. And so…
00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:26.020 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: that's what kind of helped me turn my mind around in reference to cannabis. And CBD, I think, is one of the most underrated.
00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:26.580 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yes.
00:13:26.580 --> 00:13:30.030 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Parts of the, of the plant.
00:13:30.030 --> 00:13:32.280 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I honestly think it's the most powerful part of.
00:13:32.280 --> 00:13:34.399 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right, exactly. Because it's just….
00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:46.320 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: it does so much, and it interacts with our body on such a chemical and neurological level, that it's just like, why is no one paying attention to this over here? Exactly, exactly.
00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.670 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's the part that's not an intoxicant part… intoxication.
00:13:49.670 --> 00:13:50.460 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Exactly.
00:13:50.460 --> 00:14:07.979 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, we'll definitely talk some more about that. So, we're about to go to break, and when we come back, we're going to be talking about the therapeutic qualities of cannabis for the mental health context. And then we'll go on from there. So, thanks.
00:14:08.180 --> 00:14:09.350 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Jess, take it away.
00:16:21.770 --> 00:16:23.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, welcome back!
00:16:23.680 --> 00:16:35.239 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And in this segment, we're gonna dive right in and talk about the mental health benefits of cannabis, and the, ways that cannabis can be used.
00:16:35.630 --> 00:16:47.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: as a therapy tool, a psychedelic therapy tool in particular. And so, one of the things that we have to ask ourselves as…
00:16:47.970 --> 00:16:56.680 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Cannabis continues to expand around the country. It is now legal, I believe, in 40 states and DC at the time of this recording.
00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For at least medicinal use.
00:16:59.660 --> 00:17:18.070 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And it continues to grow for recreational use, right? And, you know, we've all heard the stories about cannabis as a recreational plant and ally, and we've now talked a little bit about the physical benefits, but what can it do for mental health?
00:17:18.069 --> 00:17:24.800 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Particularly for people who are struggling with Depression, anxiety, grief…
00:17:25.040 --> 00:17:33.210 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and PTSD, right? So that's what we're going to talk about in this segment. So… Suri, when you…
00:17:33.340 --> 00:17:41.139 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: think about those mental health struggles, particularly for people with PTSD or trauma.
00:17:42.010 --> 00:17:44.680 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What comes to mind as the benefits?
00:17:49.230 --> 00:18:12.989 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I would say the benefits are really just being able to work with the plant itself, so whether it's bringing down some of that anxiety, some of that natural hypervigilance that might be going on, being able to calm yourself a little bit more, to maybe even step outside yourself and be able to see that it… the problem, the issue, the emotion is not as big.
00:18:12.990 --> 00:18:18.840 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: as… without it, it's making it feel, right? Being able…
00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:24.960 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Being able to, see, see the bigger picture of something.
00:18:25.140 --> 00:18:38.469 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I think that's what it really does, at least from my experience, and when I've talked to other people about it, it's able to, like, calm their nerves a little bit, to actually be able to stop the panic from taking them down this rabbit hole.
00:18:38.470 --> 00:18:47.859 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And being really able to, even when it comes to depression, even, like, the thought of, okay, it's not… maybe it's not as bad as it feels right now.
00:18:47.860 --> 00:18:48.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:18:49.020 --> 00:18:57.949 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely. I think, too, in the therapy space, if a person is doing, like, More of a psycholytic, …
00:18:58.140 --> 00:19:10.399 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: therapy session where it's not all the way a psychedelic journey, but just enough to bring them to that space. And they're able to then problem solve
00:19:10.780 --> 00:19:19.119 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: in a way that they had not thought about before, right? Because it allows you to… you know, our lives are so…
00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:33.669 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: filled oftentimes with anxiety. Anxiety constricts, right? It just kind of brings you like this. Depression constricts. And the use of cannabis can allow someone to have some ease.
00:19:33.710 --> 00:19:35.870 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Even in their thinking.
00:19:35.870 --> 00:19:44.670 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: To see the solutions to problems in a way that they had no idea could be there, even if somebody had said it to them already.
00:19:45.490 --> 00:19:46.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Walked it out.
00:19:46.970 --> 00:20:00.339 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Definitely that. I think that's why I think cannabis is such a powerful, therapeutic, because it also allows you to retain your autonomy. It also allows you to still be able to see things and not get so completely,
00:20:00.340 --> 00:20:11.979 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: days that you don't understand what's going on around you, and being able to bring you back to your present, because I think, you know, we always kind of talk about, you know, as therapists, of depression is the past, anxiety is the future.
00:20:11.980 --> 00:20:26.249 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: being in the present is where we kind of need to stay, and sometimes that really brings you to even sitting with your body and actually being able to breathe in and feel it. And even in a roundabout way, you're doing a lot more deep breathing and breathwork because you're inhaling more.
00:20:26.250 --> 00:20:30.719 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely, absolutely, and it does allow people to.
00:20:30.860 --> 00:20:37.530 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: breathe a little bit more with some ease. Yes. Which can be a beautiful thing, right? ….
00:20:37.530 --> 00:20:53.610 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Cannabis, you know, it's interesting because I came to the training for cannabis-assisted psychedelic therapy, after watching a documentary years ago, on the Gaia channel, where I saw,
00:20:53.840 --> 00:20:59.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Daniel McQueen talking about the benefits of psychedelic cannabis.
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.550 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And so, I think….
00:21:00.550 --> 00:21:01.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What?
00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:08.359 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And I think that's so interesting, because I think we don't… most people do not consider cannabis a psychedelic, and I think it….
00:21:08.360 --> 00:21:13.110 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right. You really have to bring that back, that it is really kind of a mild psychedelic. Right.
00:21:13.110 --> 00:21:27.259 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: understanding where the preface of psychedelic comes from, and Psyche being the soul, the actual spirit, the breath itself, and the delicate part being able to reveal or, manifest.
00:21:27.260 --> 00:21:34.540 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And so that psychedelic is really… psychedelic cannabis brings it to… brings the unconscious material that you already have there
00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:52.159 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: that was maybe blocked by up, was maybe blocked out, or, feeling that stuck feeling, or maybe even because you have your walls up, you weren't able to bring out that emotion, bring out that memory and no sensation, and that's what cannabis can do.
00:21:52.240 --> 00:22:01.689 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And when you're thinking about it, it's best used when you actually are able to add in that intention, that breathwork, and most importantly, that safe facilitation.
00:22:01.690 --> 00:22:07.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely, absolutely. One of my favorite things about working with
00:22:07.770 --> 00:22:23.520 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: cannabis in psychedelic space, as opposed to some other medicine, is the autonomy that people are still able to feel. And that is so important with someone who has experienced trauma, or is living with PTSD,
00:22:23.520 --> 00:22:36.709 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: to be able to maintain that autonomy where something like a medicine like psilocybin or MDMA, or even ayahuasca kind of just knocks you out physically, so to speak.
00:22:36.710 --> 00:22:50.510 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Cannabis, people are still able to sit up and have conversation and process and move. I've done, psychedelic therapy sessions with cannabis with people where they got up and actually did yoga.
00:22:50.510 --> 00:22:51.180 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Because they….
00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:58.899 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: felt like they needed to express or release some energy in a physical way, so there's always mats.
00:22:58.900 --> 00:23:12.149 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In my space, and so they would get up and do yoga, and then lie back down. You know, that kind of autonomy is beautiful, and if you're a person who has been physically assaulted in some way.
00:23:12.490 --> 00:23:18.519 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Sometimes the more intense psychedelics could be a little bit much.
00:23:18.520 --> 00:23:19.509 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, a little….
00:23:19.510 --> 00:23:20.480 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: process.
00:23:20.660 --> 00:23:37.900 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: a little off-putting, and I think also understanding that even the trauma, when it comes to that trauma is, like, we know, it's very been… very much been proven that trauma is stored in our body. That's right. And therefore, it has to do… we have to be more, somatic with our approach sometimes. It's not always… can be…
00:23:37.900 --> 00:23:46.909 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: this kind of talking back and forth. Sometimes we have to actually be able to physically change something, shift something for us to actually lower our walls and lower our defenses.
00:23:46.910 --> 00:23:48.780 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And I think because…
00:23:48.830 --> 00:24:08.010 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: On top of adding something, but also, you're adding in more of the breathwork, and it's bridging that connection between your mind and body, and it enhances, it's, it's the body, cannabis allows the body, to feel, and the breathwork amplifies the introspective part of it.
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.379 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: than it has for you to go.
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:15.060 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly. And we don't really always think about the breadth
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:27.419 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: in this way, but the breath is the connection from this world, this 3D world that we live in, to our divine essence, whatever you want to call that, right?
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:40.799 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It helps you to bridge that gap. And when we can consciously breathe, especially in the space of healing, right, it brings… it brings the healing and the work that much deeper.
00:24:41.290 --> 00:24:57.510 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And I think that's what… that's really what drew me in, because after even doing my cannabis education, I think one of the resources was, had, Daniel McQueen's book of psychedelic cannabis, and that's when I was like, wait, psychedelic cannabis? Like… Right.
00:24:57.510 --> 00:25:15.730 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: urge mental health and cannabis here, so that's where I think I need to be going. And reading his book, and then, literally finding you on LinkedIn, saying, hey, how was it, you know? Really, and then you helping me to actually go through the program as well, and go through that training, for me to become a psychedelic,
00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:21.740 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: based therapist, it really just also helped me to understand the different,
00:25:22.230 --> 00:25:35.580 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I wouldn't say, I guess, the different nuances of, of the psychedelic, and even the introduction of, different types of, trauma residuals, or stuckness, which they consider, they call it, DROSC.
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:49.880 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, DROSC, in the human system, where it's an accumulation of maybe psychological debris or trauma stored in the nervous system. And I was like, well, I know what it felt like, but I didn't know what to call it.
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.869 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so… And that's just that word. Sounds like it's gunky and.
00:25:54.870 --> 00:25:55.390 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yes.
00:25:55.390 --> 00:25:58.319 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And has, like, low vibrational energy, right?
00:25:59.930 --> 00:26:24.650 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And so just being able to understand what that sim… what that symptoms… what those symptoms even look like, what they mean, and so that physical, when it's drossk, it could be chronic tension, it could be disease, it could be, you know, like, different kinks, it could be emotions, shame, fear, anger, and that grief, that loss feeling. And then mentally, it could be that compuls… the compulsions, the obsessive thoughts, the harsh inner critic.
00:26:24.810 --> 00:26:39.239 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: the outdated beliefs that, you know, you feel like the black sheep, or not feeling included, or rejection. And so, it really allows you to say, oh, this doesn't have to be here. Like, this part does not be a part of me anymore.
00:26:39.930 --> 00:26:46.139 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly. It's not like we came into the world with it. We picked it up along the way. We can let it go.
00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:57.609 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, and being able to purify yourself a little bit more and let go of some of that shame and that fear, or even those, you know, negative, intrusive thoughts that kind of plague everyone at certain parts of their life.
00:26:57.610 --> 00:26:58.670 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:11.969 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely. And this is one of the kinds of therapies that are out there that can help people to move past that, right? And so, cannabis as a psychedelic can be gentler.
00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:24.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And more flexible for people who want to step into psychedelic therapy, but not ready yet to do one of the more intense, big experiences with one of the other medicines.
00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:34.410 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It can be something that, gives people or leaves people with a sense of control and autonomy, a greater sense of control or autonomy.
00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:36.370 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: enhance one's
00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:51.289 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: somatic processing, or ability to process their inner world, their somatic world, and then also to be a bridge to the deeper work, right? Because there's less of a barrier to do the deeper work.
00:27:51.290 --> 00:27:52.180 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I like to think….
00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:53.100 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Fabulous.
00:27:53.100 --> 00:28:00.869 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, now, I really like to think of, psychedelics as a roller coaster. Once you get on, you can't get off. It's gonna… you have to wait till the end of the ride.
00:28:00.870 --> 00:28:01.390 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Perfect.
00:28:01.390 --> 00:28:07.410 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: cannabis is more of a mirror. You see what you see, and if you want to look a little deeper into that spot over there, you can.
00:28:07.410 --> 00:28:20.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You sure can, exactly. And so we're about to take our next break, and so when we come back, we'll talk about the ways cannabis-assisted therapy differs from recreational use.
00:28:21.150 --> 00:28:26.260 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Alright, so come on back, you guys. Jess, take it away.
00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:36.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Welcome back, and today we are talking about the ways…
00:30:36.340 --> 00:30:42.249 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That cannabis can be integrated into one's mental health and wellness.
00:30:42.260 --> 00:30:59.039 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so, we've talked a bit about the ways that cannabis differs from other psychedelics, and the ways that it can be incorporated in the therapy or therapeutic practices. And so now we're going to talk a little bit about
00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:04.459 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: How does cannabis differ from recreational use? And so…
00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:18.359 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: some of the ways that we've all seen in reference to recreational use is kind of party mode, hanging out and chillin' mode, right? People getting ready to go out, or once they're out.
00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:27.350 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: making sure they light up a J or something, or hanging out at home with friends, … It is…
00:31:27.470 --> 00:31:40.549 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Also, in some ways, a thing that crosses over into therapeutic, in the sense that many people smoke at night at home the way people used to come
00:31:40.670 --> 00:31:43.259 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Home from work and open a beer.
00:31:43.430 --> 00:31:56.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yep. Or pour a glass of wine. There has been a shift over the last, I would say, 10 to 15 years, and especially with the younger generation. Younger generation tends to drink less.
00:31:56.660 --> 00:31:58.119 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I think we've seen….
00:31:58.120 --> 00:31:58.880 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So…
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:04.919 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, I think we… I think the younger generation, we've seen, What happens when
00:32:05.070 --> 00:32:29.089 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: alcoholism gets too out of hand, and when you come home and it's always just grab a beer, grab a glass of wine, and we're starting to see the shift that we're not having the hangovers anymore. We're… like, we don't want that to feel that way. If we're gonna actually do something to maybe relax or, you know, settle in after a long day, we don't want something that's gonna make us feel horrible the next day. And so that's one thing that
00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:33.040 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Cannabis has been really helpful with, in understanding that
00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:40.459 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: It's not always, you know, recreationally, you know, it's a nice wind down, but therapeutically, it's not necessarily just getting high.
00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:52.910 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly. So that's where the line has kind of blurred a little bit from just recreational to therapeutic. I think people are really becoming a little more conscious.
00:32:53.160 --> 00:33:11.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Even about their recreational use. But when we talk about the therapeutic uses of cannabis, we would be remiss to not, like, talk about set and setting, right? The old term. Absolutely. Where it talks about what's the mindset.
00:33:12.820 --> 00:33:16.370 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Or the intention behind…
00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:25.729 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: your use of cannabis, and it can be any level of cannabis. The 2 or 3 tokes you might take when you come home from work.
00:33:25.730 --> 00:33:28.380 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: To the microdose.
00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:33.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The smaller doses that you might have throughout the day to manage pain, perhaps?
00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:48.779 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: or the psycholytic dose that you might take for a therapeutic session, or if you're going all in for a psychedelic therapy session. What are the intentions that you're setting?
00:33:49.250 --> 00:34:02.410 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Absolutely, and I think it's interesting, because even as having a cannabis-assisted psychedelic session, understanding that it's structured, it's trauma-informed, it's guided with a therapeutic presence.
00:34:02.410 --> 00:34:13.469 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Where we're emphasizing the healing, the insight, and more importantly, the integration. I think that without integration and without intention.
00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:21.499 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: it kind of goes right back to recreational. You don't have the guidance of, what are we actually doing? What is this for?
00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:22.570 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: ….
00:34:22.909 --> 00:34:42.289 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So I think some… some key elements that you literally just touched on, so the intention setting, right? So clarifying, you know, what is it, what are we open to exploring? Because I think being able to have those conversations of what is the goal here, is really helpful to actually let people know, wait, I need to have a goal for… for smoking? Yeah.
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:49.820 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: In order to get where you want to go, because… get out of that stuck feeling, we need to have a goal to set first, right?
00:34:49.820 --> 00:34:50.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's right.
00:34:50.690 --> 00:35:07.510 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Then moving on to that set and setting of the environment has to feel safe, comfortable, and more importantly, grounded. It's so funny when I have to kind of explain to clients, like, that kind of… that fun phrase of, you're blowing my high, is a real thing.
00:35:07.510 --> 00:35:08.430 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's a real thing.
00:35:08.430 --> 00:35:10.049 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: It's a real thing, you can't….
00:35:10.050 --> 00:35:11.730 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Who are you with?
00:35:11.910 --> 00:35:24.749 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: When you are taking cannabis in. People don't realize that. Like, that effect, that's part of your environment. Who's ever in the space with you is affecting your environment and their environment.
00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:25.360 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: That energy comes.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.369 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: How you're feeling, yep, how you're feeling the medicine.
00:35:28.370 --> 00:35:46.279 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: feel that energy, whether or not you're, like, they might say something to you, or just like, you're messing up this experience for me, you know? So, it really does have to do with setting the environment around you. So, if you're not as comfortable, whether it's you got your pillows, you got your favorite food in front of you, your snacks.
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.449 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That makes it more of a second thing.
00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:50.940 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The playlist….
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:55.510 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Exactly, the playlist is big, because that can take you a whole other place as well, you know?
00:35:55.510 --> 00:36:12.010 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely. That was one of the… my favorite parts of the training, because music is a huge part of my life experience. And music is actually going to be one of these episodes that we're going to be talking about integrating for our mental health.
00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:23.959 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But when I got into the training with Daniel and realized music was one of the modules that we were going to be talking about, and playlists, like, creating a playlist.
00:36:23.970 --> 00:36:26.509 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For this kind of important work.
00:36:26.810 --> 00:36:28.760 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I was all in. I was like, oh yeah.
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:29.320 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Hmm.
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: This is up my alley.
00:36:31.140 --> 00:36:45.839 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And Siobhan, I remember when you were doing the training for me, and we were in the training, and there was a specific song that played, and it literally… and of course, this is after we had, you know, had the opening session, and had the Togues, and we were laying down after the body scan, and…
00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:57.560 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I literally felt like the music was moving through my body, like, my whole chest felt like it was beating with the drum of the beat. Like, everything felt like… I was like, I've never felt music this, like, …
00:36:58.190 --> 00:36:59.759 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Electrifying through my.
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.729 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right, it's almost, like, tangible.
00:37:01.730 --> 00:37:02.170 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah.
00:37:02.170 --> 00:37:03.309 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? Yeah.
00:37:03.310 --> 00:37:11.959 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: It certainly was, yeah. So, it's just… that's how much it goes into, but that's literally what cannabis can do when you add it into that safe setting. Absolutely.
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:12.660 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:37:12.660 --> 00:37:13.490 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So I think Vicki….
00:37:13.490 --> 00:37:19.170 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: kind of riding the… either you're riding the wave of the music, or the music is riding
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.180 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's… it's either or.
00:37:22.180 --> 00:37:29.839 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Absolutely. And so I think it's also important to, like, kind of even touch on, like, the different types, and the dosage, right?
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:30.320 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right.
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.290 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: the strains, the roots, you know, I think…
00:37:33.310 --> 00:37:55.849 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: one of the things that, you know, people are just like, well, I just don't like to smoke, or maybe some people just, all they want to do is smoke, but we have to think about how we're administrating it, how we're inhaling it, and sometimes, you know, whether it's the burning of it, that can be, you know, sometimes a little bit more harsh on the lungs, but the vaping of it might be a little bit easier, and it also gets you more of the therapeutic benefits, like the terpenes.
00:37:56.190 --> 00:38:00.120 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So I think it just needs to match what you actually need in that space.
00:38:00.120 --> 00:38:20.720 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And to go from there. So, thinking about, like, not every strain of cannabis is going to give you that psychedelic effect. That's first and foremost. I think people are just like, I can do this at home, what are you talking about? I was like, but you have to think about… I mean, technically you could do it, but you gotta find the strains now. You gotta go out and kind of search for it, and make the blends, and…
00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:26.909 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: understand what are your needs that you need. So, thinking about it that way, and also thinking about the therapeutic container itself.
00:38:27.040 --> 00:38:28.450 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So…
00:38:28.670 --> 00:38:44.209 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: thinking about the mindfulness, the somatic tracking, the emotional processing, and the resourcing, which is, I think, some, like, really super important, the resourcing of understanding where you are, and what you can, what can come out of the experience itself.
00:38:44.210 --> 00:38:49.489 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely, and resourcing can be even expanded on, like, who in your life
00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:54.710 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Would you even trust talking about this kind of therapeutic or psychedelic experience?
00:38:55.190 --> 00:38:57.370 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Because you can't share it with everybody.
00:38:58.140 --> 00:39:02.599 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Not everybody's not going to understand. And…
00:39:03.540 --> 00:39:19.339 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: how do you define spirit or higher power? Is that something that is in your vernacular? Because that's resourcing, right? Because if you're in a psychedelic journey with any medicine, spirituality is going to come up.
00:39:19.790 --> 00:39:23.820 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It allows you to take that deep dive inward.
00:39:23.970 --> 00:39:26.529 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: In order for you to know yourself.
00:39:26.650 --> 00:39:32.439 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And that is part of spirituality, even if you can't come out of it and say, I met God today.
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.520 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? It is still a spiritual experience.
00:39:36.670 --> 00:39:43.040 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And so, it's powerful to know how you're resourced.
00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:45.770 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know, and what you can do.
00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:58.399 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: what you can bring into your life, from that resourcing. You know, what gets illuminated in the psychedelic space can help you resource better in your day-to-day life.
00:39:58.520 --> 00:40:08.659 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And I think the resourcing and the experience itself, because that's what most people ask me, what does this entail? What does that journey look like, right? And, you know, letting someone know that
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.950 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: you might have a little bit more increased sensitivity, right? So, thinking about your body-wise.
00:40:14.060 --> 00:40:29.260 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: when you take cannabis, your heart rate increases. That's just… that's what we've found, right? But you also might feel more of a… little bit of a shake. You'd be like, I gotta feel like I gotta shake this out a little bit, or you might feel like your… your leg all of a sudden moves, and you're just like…
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:52.530 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I didn't want to move my leg. Why did it move… why did it switch like that, right? Or even, you know, for… I remember… I remember feeling some… a lot of warmth come, especially around my stomach area. It was a lot of warmth. I was like, I felt like someone put a heating pad on me. Like, I was like… I literally wanted to open my eyes and be like, Siobhan, did you come here? Are you playing? Like, it felt like someone put a whole heating pad on my stomach, and I was like, where's that warmth coming from?
00:40:52.530 --> 00:40:58.879 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But just being understanding that that's just the experience. Your sensitivity has really just increased, a lot.
00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:00.580 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:41:00.720 --> 00:41:02.040 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Thinking about the…
00:41:02.100 --> 00:41:23.199 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: let me see, the emotions, right? So, the wave of… it can sometimes be grief, it can sometimes be joy, sometimes I'm just sitting there giggling, or just like, why am I sitting here? Why is everything just so funny all of a sudden? You know, like, but that's if you allow it to be that. It can be really sad, it can be, hey, if I want to go this way, I'm going that way, but it can also be happy. That's right.
00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:26.989 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It's part… part of the process is your body's release.
00:41:27.090 --> 00:41:35.330 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Right? That expansion that… A person can experience in that space, and.
00:41:35.330 --> 00:41:38.270 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: If you're in the space of allowing.
00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:51.250 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: everything comes up that needs healing or releasing in those journey experiences. Like, like our teacher says, a symptom is just something halfway out, which is one of my favorite.
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:58.760 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: phrases that he taught us, because sometimes it is crying. I've done these sessions with clients where they
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:12.610 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: cry for at least an hour of the session, and they're like, I don't know where all that came from, right? Or the twitching. I did a session years ago with a young man who had deep depression, the kind that you could see on him.
00:42:12.610 --> 00:42:13.020 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Mmm.
00:42:13.020 --> 00:42:15.129 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: You know sometimes when you see depression….
00:42:15.130 --> 00:42:15.930 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: energy.
00:42:15.930 --> 00:42:26.580 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And he did a 2-day journey experience with me, and on the first day, as he laid there, working the… letting the medicine work through him.
00:42:26.690 --> 00:42:30.169 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I just visually watched him.
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.280 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Shake.
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:31.750 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Hmm.
00:42:31.750 --> 00:42:42.399 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: and twitch, and basically shake the depression off of him. I have never seen anything like it since, but when he sat up, he smiled for the first time.
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:43.070 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I had no….
00:42:43.070 --> 00:42:45.400 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Not seen him smile before then.
00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:56.679 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It was something. So… and then he just moved on to be able to make the kinds of big life decisions that he needed to make. So it's… it's such a…
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:05.679 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: The therapeutic container, the combination of the therapeutic container, the facilitator, or the people that are in the space.
00:43:05.750 --> 00:43:11.619 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mindset going in with the intention that one sets, all of that.
00:43:11.620 --> 00:43:26.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: plays a role, as well as the strains, the blends, and the music. It's just a beautiful combination. And so, when we come back, we'll talk about, in the next segment, integration.
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:32.320 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What is integration? Because for me, Intention setting…
00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:43.990 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And integration are the two things that really do make therapeutic cannabis work different than recreational cannabis.
00:43:44.580 --> 00:43:47.880 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So thank you, everyone. Come on back for the last segment.
00:45:33.620 --> 00:45:44.809 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Welcome back to the Expansion Room, where we're today talking about integrating cannabis as a holistic practice into mental health and well-being. And…
00:45:44.820 --> 00:46:02.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: One thing I… I want to make sure that we touch on before we go into talking about integration are what are the types of conditions that could benefit from therapeutic cannabis use or psychedelic therapy… cannabis…
00:46:02.970 --> 00:46:13.109 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: assisted psychedelic therapy, and so we touched on depression, we touched on anxiety, we also touched on PTSD.
00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:20.880 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And those are some of the key diagnoses. Also, people who are in big life transitions.
00:46:21.410 --> 00:46:30.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Dealing with burnout, severe stress, all can benefit. But there are some people who,
00:46:31.140 --> 00:46:48.050 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: have to really think twice about, or could be restricted from stepping into psychedelic space with any medicine. And so, those are some of the neurological disorders that are out there, as, like, seizures and so forth.
00:46:48.050 --> 00:46:55.829 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Or even something more… a little bit more un, maybe, like, unmanaged, severe, like, personality disorders, or….
00:46:55.830 --> 00:46:56.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:01.130 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: associative, you know, we're having more of this psychosis and dilutions.
00:47:01.130 --> 00:47:05.409 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly. So those kinds of disorders…
00:47:05.410 --> 00:47:22.069 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: are not usually ones that we recommend for psychedelic therapies, but there are other therapies that they could access that could be as beneficial. So, that's why we say make sure you talk to your doctor, psychiatrist, or therapist.
00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:32.309 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: If you had any intention of checking out psychedelic therapies of any kind, because you don't want to be in a space where,
00:47:32.310 --> 00:47:45.639 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: you harm yourself unwittingly, right? So those are the… those are the… you want to be a good fit, and you also want to be working with someone who knows what a good fit is.
00:47:46.080 --> 00:48:01.019 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So let's go on to talking about integration, which is one of my favorite, subjects around psychedelics in general, but particularly with cannabis, because
00:48:01.230 --> 00:48:11.540 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: one of the things I will always offer for people when they want to do a one-day or 2-day journey with me is I recommend they bring a journal.
00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:18.200 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Because oftentimes, people get, what I call a download.
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:25.660 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: in psychedelic space. And so, they will then sit up and write
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:36.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Beaverishly, either somewhere in the middle of their journey experience, or right at the end. And so, people don't always know why I'm saying bring a journal until.
00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:37.010 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah.
00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:39.900 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: there, and then they're like, oh, I see why you told me that.
00:48:40.490 --> 00:48:45.640 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And I told one client this years ago, and they brought…
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.880 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I think they brought a journal, but they also brought their sketchbook, because they're an artist?
00:48:50.180 --> 00:48:50.840 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: They say?
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.740 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Sat up and drew.
00:48:53.520 --> 00:49:00.019 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: what came to them in their journey space. That was the coolest thing to me. I was like, oh yeah.
00:49:00.020 --> 00:49:19.769 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I think we have to understand that the integration itself is the process of weaving in the insights, the emotions, the shifts from the session into our actual day-to-day life, and being able to apply it. And so, without integration, it feels like those peak experiences that we just had become isolated memories.
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:20.530 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They couldn't.
00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:21.480 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I'm able to pull them out.
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.119 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah, they float away.
00:49:23.120 --> 00:49:24.740 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Exactly.
00:49:24.740 --> 00:49:28.030 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It brings that concreteness to the experience.
00:49:28.030 --> 00:49:42.090 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Absolutely. So, literally, you just talked about the first stage of integration, right? So, the remembering part. The journaling, the drawing, the voice notes, just, like, remembering what it is that you saw during that experience. Yeah, saw, heard, felt.
00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:46.449 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Sometimes it's a sense, a feeling.
00:49:46.520 --> 00:50:04.260 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: I've had clients who actually had conversations with their ancestors in Journey Space, which is the most beautiful thing, and it's like, whoa, they're so surprised. Like, grandma so-and-so, Auntie so-and-so, uncle so-and-so met them there.
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:22.770 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: So then we have the processing of actually talking to us, right? This is where the therapists come really into the part of actually saying, okay, now that you remember what it is, let's go ahead and see the bigger picture. Let's go ahead and pull this out and bring this more to your awareness of maybe how this might be aligning with other things that are coming up in your life.
00:50:22.770 --> 00:50:23.430 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's right.
00:50:23.770 --> 00:50:24.780 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: …
00:50:24.890 --> 00:50:39.449 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: I like to think of the second… the third part as, like, the undoing, I believe. It was, like, the letting go of the harmful patterns that you saw, that the… maybe the traumatic imprint that we're now able to shake off. You were able to come… kinda… come above board with that now, right?
00:50:39.450 --> 00:50:44.719 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: That's right. And knowing that those no longer serve you. They may have in the past.
00:50:44.720 --> 00:50:45.520 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Right.
00:50:45.520 --> 00:50:53.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But now that they've come up for healing and observation, you can start to let those go, and maybe replace them.
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:54.399 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: with something.
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:57.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Something more healthy in your life.
00:50:57.690 --> 00:51:03.590 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, that more aligns with what you're going for, and again, going from that stuck and that survival mode to thriving.
00:51:03.590 --> 00:51:04.850 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Exactly.
00:51:05.130 --> 00:51:05.580 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And then….
00:51:05.580 --> 00:51:09.440 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: One of the things that I think is also… I've noticed with people sometimes…
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:15.350 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: stepping into a journey space with cannabis is that they come out…
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:33.690 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: With a sense of awareness of how mindfulness practices can actually help them in their day-to-day life, whether that's meditation, going for a walk every day, journaling, breathwork, you know.
00:51:34.020 --> 00:51:34.920 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: They now.
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.069 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: You see the use of it.
00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:36.450 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Mmm.
00:51:36.450 --> 00:51:47.769 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: They see the value of the use of it, because it's like, oh, this is what it's supposed to be, but when I was in talk therapy and people telling me to do it, it made no sense. It wasn't gonna work for me, that doesn't help, you know?
00:51:48.320 --> 00:52:04.119 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: being able to see that, but also orienting, I think. Also, we're reconnecting to that safe space, that practice, the places, and remembering the joy, the softness, the playfulness that you don't have to struggle every single step of the way.
00:52:04.200 --> 00:52:11.839 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely. That is… that is well said. You really don't. I think, too, when I meet with people.
00:52:13.430 --> 00:52:22.700 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: after the journey. So, you know, as you said, integration begins right after, right? You sit up, you start journaling, you start talking to the facilitator.
00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:33.190 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: But then, 3 days, 2 days later, you have an actual integration session, you have another one maybe a week, week and a half later, and those conversations
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.929 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Are really where you get to help people
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.760 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: A new life for themselves, or craft a new asset.
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.979 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: of their lives for themselves, like.
00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:56.320 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: What do you re… exactly. It's like bringing something new into your life, and… Making lasting change.
00:52:56.970 --> 00:53:13.810 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yeah, so you're able to rewrite that trauma with a new understanding, but then that last part is really just the new beginnings of, like, being able to translate the healing into choices, into lifestyle shifts, into community care. And again, going back to the resourcing of who
00:53:13.810 --> 00:53:28.319 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: who in your life can you actually depend on, can you relate to, can you talk to, and be able to understand that I'm now seeing things through a different lens now. And I think a good sign of all integration really is really just having that one increased emotional resilience.
00:53:28.490 --> 00:53:29.030 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: ….
00:53:29.030 --> 00:53:29.490 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Absolutely.
00:53:29.490 --> 00:53:31.319 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: More self-compassion.
00:53:31.790 --> 00:53:39.689 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And being able to reduce that inner conflict within you, and having greater clarity in relationships and boundaries.
00:53:39.690 --> 00:53:40.880 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yes, both.
00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:51.199 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Because you can be more open, come out of this more open to relationships, more open to connecting, but you also want to know where your boundaries are.
00:53:52.750 --> 00:54:00.660 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: That's always a hard… that's a hard thing, because I think when people go into this, when they're coming to us, they're like.
00:54:00.660 --> 00:54:13.950 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: a lot of people always struggle with boundaries, whether they're material time boundaries, sexual boundaries, you know, there's a wide range, and for them to be like, I finally understand that boundaries are self-preservation.
00:54:13.950 --> 00:54:14.500 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: me.
00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:26.719 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: It's in order to keep me safe, and keep me happy, healthy, and thriving. And so, now I understand why I have to place them, and why I can't let other people place my boundaries, because it won't actually be for me.
00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:27.230 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Yeah.
00:54:27.680 --> 00:54:28.830 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Beautifully said.
00:54:29.020 --> 00:54:33.140 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Beautifully said. So, in closing…
00:54:33.590 --> 00:54:40.970 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: So, in thinking about… when you're thinking about ways to incorporate cannabis into your life.
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:46.110 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: For your mental wellness and your mental health.
00:54:46.650 --> 00:54:55.149 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: think… think first that maybe you want to talk to your therapist, or your doctor, or a psychiatrist about that first. But then…
00:54:55.520 --> 00:55:03.999 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: in going forward, think about how, it could be in smoking it, it can be in edibles, gummies.
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:04.430 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: tinctures.
00:55:04.430 --> 00:55:22.069 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: It can be tinctures, it can be teas, now we have a whole host of beverages out there, and I highly recommend going slow and low in your dosing first, and if you want to step into the therapeutic space…
00:55:22.200 --> 00:55:40.990 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: of their psychedelic therapy with cannabis, then definitely find a licensed or certified person who can work with you, who can create a safe container with you and for you. So….
00:55:41.170 --> 00:55:49.719 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Oh, sorry, I was just gonna say that, understanding that also, it doesn't have to be, oh, I started this J, I gotta finish this J. Right. Microdosing is okay.
00:55:49.720 --> 00:55:50.750 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Endosing is a thing.
00:55:50.750 --> 00:56:15.690 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Yes, like, it could literally be hit it one time, and I was like, okay, it levels me out. You don't have to be necessarily high, but you can be medicated. That's the thing, like you said, go, start low and go slow, and understand that everyone has a different reaction, so your friend that has that edible, that how they make them feel, it might not make you feel the same way. We all have a different… it's literally… our endocannabinoid system is just as, unique as
00:56:15.690 --> 00:56:18.260 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: a fingerprint, so it's not gonna always be the same.
00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:23.479 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: And just to remember that you have a different process as everyone else, too, so it's okay to be different.
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:24.340 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Indeed.
00:56:24.340 --> 00:56:45.539 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: All right, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for being here and for sharing with me this really huge topic in our therapeutic workspace. Absolutely. And if anything in this episode resonated with you, we'd love for you to share this episode with someone that you can… that you feel like it can help.
00:56:45.550 --> 00:56:46.830 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: And also…
00:56:47.350 --> 00:56:54.780 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: There we go. And also, subscribe to the podcast. It helps us, and it helps to get the word out there.
00:56:54.900 --> 00:57:07.139 Shervon Laurice | The Expansion Room: Join me again next week as we continue to talk about the holistic approaches to mental health and mental health well-being. Until next time, have a really great week, everyone.
00:57:07.140 --> 00:57:08.360 Sarie McGlone | McGlone Consulting: Thank you again.
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