Because your mindset is either holding you back or launching you forward. This episode will help you identify limiting beliefs, reframe failure as fuel, and give you the practical tools to unlock your potential whether you're leading a team, launching a project, or learning to play the ukulele. Cheers to growth one sip at a time.
On this episode of Serving Up Success with a Splash, we pour a cold one (a beer of your choice) and dive deep into the transformative power of the growth mindset. Hosts Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh (the Strategy Doctor), Bruce Cramer (the Corporate Cockroach), and Angie Snowball (the Renaissance Woman) explore how your beliefs about learning and intelligence can shape your personal success, team dynamics, and leadership impact. From fixed vs. growth mindset, to the power of “yet,” to how leaders can build cultures of resilience and innovation this conversation is packed with stories, science, and simple takeaways to help you grow stronger, smarter, and more confident in any season of life.
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In this lively opening segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh and Bruce Cramer dive into the transformative concept of the growth mindset, contrasting it with the limitations of a fixed mindset as defined by psychologist Carol Dweck. They share personal stories—from learning to swim to captaining a boat—that illustrate how embracing trial, error, and the power of “yet” can open doors to personal and professional breakthroughs. Business leaders are reminded that fostering a growth-oriented environment—where effort and experimentation are encouraged over perfection—can unlock innovation, resilience, and long-term success.
In this segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Bruce Cramer shares a candid story about how a business partnership rooted in a fixed mindset led to repeated failures, lost opportunities, and millions in financial losses—highlighting the real cost of resistance to change and learning. The hosts emphasize that growth mindset isn't just a personal development concept, but a critical business imperative that influences prospecting, messaging, team collaboration, and corporate culture. Backed by both personal experience and research, they show that leaders who foster experimentation and learning create organizations that innovate, adapt, and thrive—while those stuck in rigidity often face stagnation and decline.
In this segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Bruce Cramer reflects on how his upbringing and early career at Granger fostered his belief that failure is a powerful teacher, not a setback. He shares how a $3 million project loss was treated by leadership as an “investment in education,” illustrating how a growth mindset drives both individual and organizational success. Nawtej Dosanjh and Bruce further discuss how leaders with growth mindsets view others’ success as inspiration rather than competition, handle criticism as an opportunity for improvement, and recognize that personal development is an ongoing process of learning and self-awareness.
In this closing segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Bruce and Nawtej reflect on the power of modeling a growth mindset, even in tough environments or high-pressure situations. They acknowledge that cultivating a growth mindset isn’t always easy—especially when surrounded by negativity or limited resources—but emphasize that the alternative is self-imposed limitation, mediocrity, and stagnation. Their final takeaway for business leaders and teams is clear: the only real ceiling is the one we construct for ourselves—and with the right mindset, resilience, and willingness to learn, there is always a path forward.
00:00:43.160 --> 00:01:06.300 nawtej dosanjh: Hello! I was just waiting. I love the music so much. There. I just wanted to let it roll on for a few seconds longer, but welcome back to serving up success with a splash. Where today we're going to mix strategy with a nice cold beer. I'm notesh desange Dr. Notesh desange, and I've been given the title, and I like it. The strategy, doctor.
00:01:06.360 --> 00:01:25.549 nawtej dosanjh: I'm a little bit sad about 2 things this week, but I'm really happy about one thing. The thing I'm happy about is that Bruce is here. Bruce Kramer Aka, the corporate cockroach is here. But, Bruce, I'm sad about a couple of things. Do you know what they are?
00:01:26.430 --> 00:01:29.200 Bruce Cramer: Well, I can guess. One of them
00:01:29.310 --> 00:01:32.370 Bruce Cramer: is we're missing. We're missing someone.
00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:42.920 nawtej dosanjh: We're missing. We're missing Angie. Angie. is on vacation, having a great time, and she had the good sense to not invite me.
00:01:43.500 --> 00:01:50.340 nawtej dosanjh: She had the good sense to not invite me. And Bruce, did she like you? Did she also have the good sense not to invite you.
00:01:50.520 --> 00:02:00.239 Bruce Cramer: Yeah. And that's probably because the last time the 3 of us were together we almost fell off a boat, so that might have something to do with it.
00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:25.220 nawtej dosanjh: Wherever you are, Angie. Hope you hope you're having fun, and we can't wait to see you next week. But there is another thing I'm sad about this week. I would love to be joining you in a nice cold beer, Bruce, but this week I'm not able to have alcohol. I'm not going to bore everybody with. Why, I can't. But just this week I'm not going to be able to have some alcohol. But, Bruce, tell me how you're doing. What's what's happening with you.
00:02:25.670 --> 00:02:48.710 Bruce Cramer: Oh, my God, I'm doing doing very well as you could tell. I've been sipping now this glass wasn't full. This is a huge mug. So this is, I've got a little bit of Stella bottle of Stella in there brewed out of Belgium. It's actually brewed in the U.S.A. But of course, under close supervision from the Brewmasters out of Belgium.
00:02:48.740 --> 00:03:12.179 Bruce Cramer: But nonetheless, you know, I got to tell you I have no idea where this episode's gonna go, because we are talking about something that's absolutely life changing for you personally, for our audience members, whether you're in business, you're a leader, your children. This thing called the growth mindset
00:03:12.210 --> 00:03:22.240 Bruce Cramer: is a real game changer. So I'm looking forward to that sipping and shifting my mindset during this show.
00:03:22.810 --> 00:03:34.180 nawtej dosanjh: Okay, well, let's let's get straight into it, Bruce, before I sort of make some comments. When when we talk about mindset, what does it mean for you?
00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:59.839 Bruce Cramer: You know, and and so I had to give this some thought, because, as our audience knows, we really don't ever have a script. However, we kind of know the topic. And so each of us on our own kind of prep. And so, you know, we're getting into a rhythm here. So I kind of knew that question might come to me. You know. It's when my internal voice I'm having a conversation with myself
00:03:59.980 --> 00:04:06.630 Bruce Cramer: where I'm saying, oh, I don't think I can do that. I can't do that, or
00:04:06.740 --> 00:04:15.129 Bruce Cramer: I can do that to me. That epitomizes what's met by what is my mindset at the time
00:04:15.490 --> 00:04:17.620 Bruce Cramer: I'm having those thoughts.
00:04:19.010 --> 00:04:30.670 nawtej dosanjh: So am I right in saying it's almost like what you can and can't do well what your mind is telling you what you can and can't do. Is that a fair summation.
00:04:30.790 --> 00:04:32.540 Bruce Cramer: Yes, yes.
00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:34.050 nawtej dosanjh: Let's develop that a little bit.
00:04:34.270 --> 00:04:35.020 Bruce Cramer: Thanks.
00:04:36.380 --> 00:04:42.279 nawtej dosanjh: Let's develop that a little bit. You know, normally we don't. This is a, this is a show about
00:04:42.840 --> 00:04:56.330 nawtej dosanjh: having impact relatability. So we normally don't bring up. You know who the who the people are that wrote about this. But I've got to tell you this week. I've got to hats off to psychologist Carol Dweck.
00:04:56.760 --> 00:05:06.290 nawtej dosanjh: who we're going to talk about during this episode, and she defined 2 main types of mindset.
00:05:06.520 --> 00:05:16.899 nawtej dosanjh: a fixed mindset where people believe that their abilities and their intellect, and
00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.969 nawtej dosanjh: what they can achieve is static.
00:05:21.190 --> 00:05:25.349 nawtej dosanjh: It's defined already. There's very little they can do about it.
00:05:25.660 --> 00:05:33.600 nawtej dosanjh: and those with what we call a growth. Mindset, Bruce. You are firmly in the growth mindset category where
00:05:33.840 --> 00:05:37.500 nawtej dosanjh: you believe that things can happen
00:05:37.630 --> 00:05:42.440 nawtej dosanjh: with effort, with learning, with with
00:05:43.310 --> 00:05:46.560 nawtej dosanjh: trial and error with mistake, with.
00:05:47.100 --> 00:06:00.289 nawtej dosanjh: I don't know. Working, working through criticism. We're going to develop this a long way. But I want to give you a very personal example of where a personal.
00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:05.040 nawtej dosanjh: a growth set a growth mindset happened to me.
00:06:05.704 --> 00:06:07.760 nawtej dosanjh: About 15 years ago.
00:06:08.571 --> 00:06:14.470 nawtej dosanjh: I was never a very good swimmer, and I definitely could not do breaststroke.
00:06:14.840 --> 00:06:18.109 nawtej dosanjh: I could do a really bad front. Crawl
00:06:18.370 --> 00:06:25.920 nawtej dosanjh: okay, where it will, where I would come up for breath, but have to stop swimming to come up for breath
00:06:26.500 --> 00:06:32.880 nawtej dosanjh: anyway. My daughter, my! Then I don't know how she was. She must have been 10
00:06:33.070 --> 00:06:39.180 nawtej dosanjh: taught me how to breaststroke on holiday in 25 min.
00:06:40.050 --> 00:06:42.799 nawtej dosanjh: and since then I'm still not a great swimmer.
00:06:43.140 --> 00:06:49.120 nawtej dosanjh: but I just suspended for for the sake of my daughter. I suspended my my fixed mindset.
00:06:50.030 --> 00:06:53.120 nawtej dosanjh: got on with it, and I can do breaststroke.
00:06:53.290 --> 00:06:58.999 nawtej dosanjh: I'm still a really bad swimmer, but I can do breaststroke. I can maybe do a length.
00:07:00.210 --> 00:07:20.720 nawtej dosanjh: breast breath, so difference between a fixed mindset. I can't swim. I was never good at swimming. Oh! And suddenly suddenly I changed my tune, and I I could. I could! I could swim.
00:07:20.820 --> 00:07:34.289 nawtej dosanjh: I'm wondering, Bruce, you've you've got a plethora of examples which you've talked about on previous shows. Give us. Give us one of your give us one of your sort of fixed mindset and growth mindset examples from your past.
00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:49.609 Bruce Cramer: Oh, good God! There's there's many. They're usually short lived, because, as people that have tuned in. And, by the way, thank you for always tuning in. They know by now I refer to myself as the slow kid. But that's not a joke
00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:57.459 Bruce Cramer: by default. I've had to have the growth mindset, because I am the the slow kid. So I it takes.
00:07:57.460 --> 00:08:02.329 nawtej dosanjh: That's total rubbish. That's total rubbish. But okay, carry on. All right. Okay.
00:08:02.330 --> 00:08:19.459 Bruce Cramer: You know I think of. There's many moments. But when you brought up swimming, I you know, a few years ago I now live on an island and so, you know, I always like to be out on the water. But typically until I moved here, someone else was the captain of the boat.
00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:34.829 Bruce Cramer: but when I moved here I it became apparent. Well, you're gonna have to learn to drive your boat, and I lease. I lease a boat here on the island, and so I'll never forget. You know, I'm thinking.
00:08:34.970 --> 00:08:53.139 Bruce Cramer: You know, it's been decades since I've been behind the wheel, because, as I said, typically somebody else was commandeering the boat. Well, I get in it, I'm thinking. You know, how bad can this be? I'm in the Gulf of America, you know I'm not really going to run into anybody. Well, we decided to go have lunch
00:08:53.620 --> 00:09:03.850 Bruce Cramer: at this restaurant that's well known called cabbage Keys. But nonetheless, I'm driving in to the docks.
00:09:04.020 --> 00:09:31.190 Bruce Cramer: and it hit. Oh, shit! I can't do this. I mean, there's beautiful yachts parked, and I'm coming in on my least pontoon at that moment in time, like I can't I can't! And realizing, you know, one of the things you could say to yourself, what you know not yet. Well, the guy the dock master saw me coming in, and I'm trying to indicate to him.
00:09:31.490 --> 00:09:57.040 Bruce Cramer: I don't think I can do this, so he kind of waved me off and took me around the back, and you know he literally looked at me. Oh, yes, you can, and I was able to get into the dock, and I was just fine. I didn't hit anyone, but at that moment, man, there was a big cant, but I realized I had no choice. We can either pull back, and I'm not going to eat.
00:09:57.070 --> 00:10:03.400 Bruce Cramer: or I'm going to take advantage of this stockmaster that's willing to say you can't yet.
00:10:03.760 --> 00:10:08.010 Bruce Cramer: but with the little help you can, and he got me in just fine.
00:10:08.790 --> 00:10:12.179 nawtej dosanjh: That's a i love the word yet the power of yet.
00:10:12.800 --> 00:10:35.080 nawtej dosanjh: you know I really do love that word. You know, Bruce, you mentioned it early on. We don't you know. We we don't have scripts. We don't rehearse. We. We see each other 1520 min before the show, and we. We talk about our week, and and so forth. But this week I have made a few notes, because
00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:47.080 nawtej dosanjh: there are so many powerful examples of the growth mindset that I've I've written down a few examples, and I want to share them as we go through the show. The show
00:10:47.340 --> 00:10:54.319 nawtej dosanjh: to illustrate what a growth mindset is one particular one. I think I've mentioned this to you before.
00:10:54.788 --> 00:11:01.690 nawtej dosanjh: It's about the I've got it in front of me. The teacher, a teacher divided a class into 2 groups.
00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:18.580 nawtej dosanjh: and to make a to make a ceramic plate. And one group was told, I'm reading it. I want to make sure I got it. One group was told that they graded solely on the quantity of pots they produce.
00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.639 nawtej dosanjh: the number of parts the other.
00:11:21.640 --> 00:11:22.050 Bruce Cramer: Of this.
00:11:22.050 --> 00:11:22.400 nawtej dosanjh: Sure
00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:29.899 nawtej dosanjh: the other group. Yeah, I have told you this one before. The other group was on the quote, graded on the quantity.
00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:41.720 nawtej dosanjh: Sorry the quality of pots. Okay? So you got 2 2 groups of students. They're going to be graded separate differently, one on the quantity, one on the quality.
00:11:42.450 --> 00:12:01.409 nawtej dosanjh: The guys, the students that were graded on the quantity they just went for it. They made mistakes, they learned from their mistakes. They got better. The pots got better. Initially, they were just throwing things together and the pots just, but they they produced a lot of pots and they were graded
00:12:01.850 --> 00:12:10.540 nawtej dosanjh: highly. The group, the group that was graded just on the quality of pots.
00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:37.250 nawtej dosanjh: They didn't produce even one pot. They were so concerned. They had paralysis analysis. They were so concerned on the quality and the perfection of the pot. They they just couldn't do it. And that is a real real example about how you can, how, with
00:12:37.580 --> 00:12:46.180 nawtej dosanjh: setting the context, you can really limit people or you can make them grow. You can. You can assist them in their growth.
00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:57.419 Bruce Cramer: Oh, I am when we come back from break. I've got a real example that I experience working with small business owners today that I can.
00:12:57.420 --> 00:12:57.850 nawtej dosanjh: Share.
00:12:57.850 --> 00:13:00.279 Bruce Cramer: That fits that like a glove.
00:13:00.450 --> 00:13:07.450 nawtej dosanjh: Okay. Well, Jesse, why don't you take us to to break? Because I can't hear. I can't wait to hear what Bruce has got in store for us.
00:15:23.820 --> 00:15:44.619 nawtej dosanjh: Welcome back everybody before we went to break Bruce Kramer, my co-host, on serving up success with Splash, was just about to give us an example. But before you go there, Bruce, let's break it down. Let me give you some sort of platform fixed mindset says
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:50.500 nawtej dosanjh: if I fail, I'm a failure, growth. Mindset say always says, go for it, Bruce.
00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.299 Bruce Cramer: If I fail, I have just learned something potentially new.
00:15:57.190 --> 00:15:57.850 nawtej dosanjh: That's it.
00:15:57.850 --> 00:16:06.150 nawtej dosanjh: That's the that's 1 of the basic differences. We'll come back to more differences. during the show. But, Bruce, I can't wait to hear this example.
00:16:06.150 --> 00:16:12.779 Bruce Cramer: Well, you know so often, you know, especially with small businesses that are kind of in the startup mode.
00:16:12.950 --> 00:16:24.260 Bruce Cramer: One of the things that a lot of times. Everybody's thinking about the business model, their strategy, this, that, and the other, and a big part of starting up is prospecting
00:16:24.550 --> 00:16:26.200 Bruce Cramer: the need to go out.
00:16:26.410 --> 00:16:48.939 Bruce Cramer: You know you have to define who's your ideal client that's 1st and foremost. But then you got to get out and meet these people. You have to talk now, you'll leverage relationships, you know people that you know, etc. But at some point you're going to talk to somebody that doesn't know you from Adam, and you've got to make that prospecting. Well, what I see happens all the time
00:16:49.050 --> 00:17:05.809 Bruce Cramer: is most. And I would say 80% of people in the startup mode that we have these kind of conversations. They get a little, a little spooked, and it's very awkward, and they spend forever crafting what that
00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:21.220 Bruce Cramer: elevator speech, that hook, that key message that they work on it. Oh, my God! They spend weeks trying to develop the perfect message that they can use to introduce themselves
00:17:21.369 --> 00:17:26.009 Bruce Cramer: themselves and the organization and the services they offer.
00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:50.959 Bruce Cramer: and they won't prospect when we when we sit and chat, you know, you always say at a minimum, you know, make 5 calls a day to somebody you don't know. That would qualify potentially as an well, they wait forever, because the message isn't quite baked enough. They don't have this, that or the other, and just like the pots you want to get out there
00:17:51.070 --> 00:18:12.250 Bruce Cramer: and practice. You May message and realize it landed like a thud. That's okay. What did you learn from that? You want to keep recycling that message? Keep having the conversations until you get to the point that the last few conversations. Boom! There was a hook.
00:18:12.350 --> 00:18:23.219 Bruce Cramer: and that's how you will perfect your messaging in terms of your marketing and prospecting. It's by doing, not waiting until it's perfect.
00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:51.029 nawtej dosanjh: You know, you know, I think I think a lot of people. I can certainly relate to that, and I think a lot of people can relate to that, because we all find most of us find that sort of thing so difficult, and we find reasons not to do it. We we try and make ourselves perfect, and we spend so much time on that. I want to turn Bruce and I'm going to come up with an example here again from from Carol Dweck.
00:18:52.099 --> 00:19:04.559 nawtej dosanjh: I want to turn to the importance of messaging, you know I we alluded to in the 1st segment messaging, and how you could influence others.
00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:15.350 nawtej dosanjh: It's so. I'm not talking about growth, mindset, or a fixed mindset just in yourself. How you can. I want to even use the word manipulate, but
00:19:16.150 --> 00:19:35.165 nawtej dosanjh: influence others. You can influence them positively, and you can manipulate them negatively. And here's the here's the study that I want to talk about which illustrates that again, Carol Dwick, 350 students goes back all the way to 1978. They had
00:19:35.870 --> 00:19:39.470 nawtej dosanjh: 12 problems to solve, which progressively got harder.
00:19:39.650 --> 00:19:41.729 nawtej dosanjh: She told one group of students
00:19:41.760 --> 00:20:07.110 nawtej dosanjh: that they had high intellect, and they could succeed, and and and so forth. Another group believed that what they could achieve was fixed. Their intellect was fixed. So one group had a growth mindset, and one group had a fixed mindset.
00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:14.590 nawtej dosanjh: and unbelievably those with the growth mindset, not necessarily with the higher intellect.
00:20:15.420 --> 00:20:31.329 nawtej dosanjh: who believed, but they believed that their intellect could grow, their intelligence could grow persisted, they worked hard, they overcame obstacles, they made mistakes, learned from mistakes, and performed better than the other group.
00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:39.760 nawtej dosanjh: So this is, it's 1 thing to say that individuals have a growth, mindset or a fixed mindset.
00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:53.640 nawtej dosanjh: But the power of this is that you can influence people positively, and if you're not a great person, you can influence people negatively. But there's a there's a massive power in this
00:20:54.061 --> 00:21:03.719 nawtej dosanjh: in the corporate world, and I'm setting this up because I want to hear. And you don't know. I'm going to ask you this question, but I want to hear about how.
00:21:03.860 --> 00:21:11.220 nawtej dosanjh: in in your corporate experience, where you found the influence of others
00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.529 nawtej dosanjh: impacted people positively and negatively. I really want to hear that.
00:21:16.030 --> 00:21:22.840 Bruce Cramer: Well, you know. And this that's actually a very. It's a great question and a loaded question.
00:21:23.466 --> 00:21:30.620 Bruce Cramer: And God, how am I going to answer this. So let me take off on what you said.
00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:38.270 Bruce Cramer: If you're blessed enough to have more than one or 2 team members with that growth mindset.
00:21:38.430 --> 00:21:45.119 Bruce Cramer: They see the challenge, the unknown as a path to learn, grow.
00:21:45.270 --> 00:21:55.139 Bruce Cramer: and succeed differently than they have in the past. And so, you know, you want that mindset, because if you can get a group of people
00:21:55.500 --> 00:22:04.370 Bruce Cramer: to have no fear to share their half baked ideas, you want that
00:22:04.793 --> 00:22:17.319 Bruce Cramer: where you run into a problem. If you have people, you know, with a fixed mindset, people are like, Oh, shit! I'm not going to say that, because I'll look like an idiot that that ain't gonna cut it. We're.
00:22:17.320 --> 00:22:18.539 nawtej dosanjh: So I'm gonna I'm gonna
00:22:18.990 --> 00:22:25.909 nawtej dosanjh: I'm gonna just cut in there. I'm gonna cut in there because I'm not. I'm I wanna give you. I wanna make you answer this question right now.
00:22:26.210 --> 00:22:35.740 nawtej dosanjh: give me examples of where I know you don't want to, because it's hard. But give me an example where people in positions of authority
00:22:36.650 --> 00:22:38.440 nawtej dosanjh: influenced people
00:22:38.620 --> 00:22:50.640 nawtej dosanjh: negatively, and it showed in the results. Give me that sort of example. Obviously, don't mention names, but you've had a long corporate career, and you will have come across this. I am absolutely certain.
00:22:51.490 --> 00:23:00.430 Bruce Cramer: Oh, my God, I'm going to use one of the organizations that I actually co-founded.
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.139 Bruce Cramer: One of my partners has a very fixed mindset
00:23:08.247 --> 00:23:16.360 Bruce Cramer: and of course I'm under the growth mindset. And we worked very closely. Great great person.
00:23:17.230 --> 00:23:28.150 Bruce Cramer: However, we ended up with many consecutive losses, because from his
00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:33.550 Bruce Cramer: mindset, and he was more of the expert than I was
00:23:33.810 --> 00:23:40.620 Bruce Cramer: is that he had a fixed way of doing things, and even when it didn't work.
00:23:40.790 --> 00:23:47.760 Bruce Cramer: It was all the circumstances around. What we did that was the cause. Not that maybe
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:55.080 Bruce Cramer: there was an opportunity for growth here for us to think differently, and adapt and
00:23:55.260 --> 00:24:08.580 Bruce Cramer: change the way we were going about. Nope, Nope, this, you know, it's worked for me in the past, whatever. And and I and you know we've lost millions of dollars.
00:24:09.110 --> 00:24:17.749 Bruce Cramer: and the lesson for me is that and this was a business partner. Somebody that I respect.
00:24:17.970 --> 00:24:21.050 Bruce Cramer: Great person. Blah blah blah blah!
00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:22.430 Bruce Cramer: Is that
00:24:22.780 --> 00:24:41.849 Bruce Cramer: never again will I enter in to a business where I really am stuck with somebody that believes there's a level of know-how and abilities that you achieve. And you know that's it.
00:24:42.050 --> 00:24:52.149 Bruce Cramer: I can't I? Because in this day and age everything changes and everything will continue to change at a more rapid rate. So if you
00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:52.540 Bruce Cramer: I mean
00:24:52.540 --> 00:25:06.180 Bruce Cramer: saying, I know versus I'm willing to learn at some point the business is going to get short changed, and that's exactly what happened to me, but not after we took a bath.
00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:30.419 nawtej dosanjh: Well, Bruce, I really appreciate you sharing that put you on the spot there. But you've had such a lot of experience. I just wanted to hear. I just wanted to hear a raw, raw example. And look, you know, I've given examples from from studies. But you know, I've talked about schoolchildren or yeah schoolchildren.
00:25:30.570 --> 00:25:52.799 nawtej dosanjh: you know, but this applies in the corporate world as well. There's an example from a study in 2010, where exactly what you're saying on a larger, larger scale, fortune 500 company, where those companies with a prevalent growth, mindset with their employees, were more collaborative.
00:25:52.950 --> 00:26:04.860 nawtej dosanjh: They were inspiring, showed greater potential for progression, whereas those companies with a fixed mindset guess what stagnation.
00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:10.539 nawtej dosanjh: turnover, staff, turnover, toxic cultures.
00:26:11.100 --> 00:26:17.749 nawtej dosanjh: So the the this is a big thing. We're not just talking about individuals. Right, Bruce, we're talking about.
00:26:17.750 --> 00:26:18.080 Bruce Cramer: Got it.
00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:21.130 nawtej dosanjh: Large numbers of people. This is a big thing.
00:26:22.030 --> 00:26:34.669 Bruce Cramer: And and again. I we're getting flagged. I do want to piggyback on that, because I am going to give kudos to an organization that I've continued to give kudos that actually raised me
00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:37.419 Bruce Cramer: when we come back.
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:44.540 nawtej dosanjh: Oh, okay, okay, you can keep us on you. You've got the hang of this now, and you you sort of you. You.
00:26:44.935 --> 00:26:45.330 Bruce Cramer: Jesus.
00:26:45.330 --> 00:26:46.700 nawtej dosanjh: Little bit of money savings.
00:26:46.700 --> 00:26:47.120 Bruce Cramer: Take.
00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:47.449 nawtej dosanjh: When we.
00:26:47.450 --> 00:26:47.790 Bruce Cramer: You.
00:26:47.790 --> 00:26:55.588 nawtej dosanjh: When we come back. Okay, alright, Jesse, give. Give Bruce give Bruce what he wants, cue the music he wants to get a break. Now.
00:28:59.050 --> 00:29:05.530 nawtej dosanjh: Hey, hey, Bruce, I just wonder, before you get into Your your example. Do you think Angie's watching.
00:29:07.358 --> 00:29:10.000 Bruce Cramer: Oh, I I highly doubt.
00:29:10.328 --> 00:29:13.609 nawtej dosanjh: Is not in the bar, and she's watching us instead.
00:29:14.010 --> 00:29:33.649 Bruce Cramer: Well, you never know. But we do get a lot. You know. The amount of reruns, you know. People watching after the live feed is awesome. So, by the way, we appreciate that of everyone. So I'm kind of suspecting that that's what she will do. She'll check.
00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:53.490 nawtej dosanjh: I'm going to be disappointed. I'm going to be disappointed if she's not watching us. I'm going to be so disappointed if she's in the bar with her friends. I'm going to be very sad. So, Angie, if you're watching the rerun. If you're watching this rerun, I'm just really sad that you didn't watch the original, the live show, Bruce. Sorry I had to cut in there, but.
00:29:53.490 --> 00:30:03.936 Bruce Cramer: Well, no, I I guarantee she's gonna check us out just to make sure we didn't do anything to embarrass her as as one of our partners.
00:30:04.420 --> 00:30:28.479 Bruce Cramer: you know, Natasha, I wanted to back the bus up for a little bit, because one of the things in most of the episodes I've had to learn things the hard way, and trust me, I've had more than my fair share of failures, and the example I used wasn't all that old of this recent. So I'm still learning, like everyone else.
00:30:28.902 --> 00:30:38.209 Bruce Cramer: However, you know, I've been very fortunate because even growing up as a kid, you know, we talk about the fixed mindset where you think.
00:30:38.210 --> 00:30:38.580 nawtej dosanjh: No.
00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:45.339 Bruce Cramer: You know what this is the best it's going to get in terms of my intellect and my ability.
00:30:45.500 --> 00:31:04.159 Bruce Cramer: And then there's the growth mindset that says there is, there are no limits. My intellect will continue to grow my abilities. Blah blah blah! Well, without getting into any of the academic side or lesson side of all of this, even as a little kid, my parents always said to me, Bruce.
00:31:04.510 --> 00:31:08.630 Bruce Cramer: if you put your mind to it, you can do whatever you want.
00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:36.590 Bruce Cramer: You can be. Whoever you want, you can accomplish whatever you want. You live in the greatest country in this world, and no offense. I know Natasha is in the Uk. But they're just saying the opportunities are in, you know, in overabundance. The only limiting factor is going to be you. Now, this is me like I'm 5 years old, I mean 6 and my, you know they were just so nurturing in that regard. Well, then.
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:54.650 Bruce Cramer: I finally get, you know, for those that don't know me. I was a bit of an entertainer, did a little bit of touring and that sort of thing. However, that was all in a very like tri-state area. But when I got my 1st real job I started at this organization called Granger.
00:31:54.990 --> 00:31:58.790 Bruce Cramer: and I think when I started. We're like at 700 million today.
00:31:59.620 --> 00:32:07.939 Bruce Cramer: I'm not sure. I think they're somewhere around 13 billion, whatever very successful distribution organization.
00:32:08.290 --> 00:32:19.160 Bruce Cramer: But the reason for that is, I walked into a culture that was just thick with the growth mindset.
00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:26.289 Bruce Cramer: And you know, I remember, you know, like I said, I started out cleaning toilets.
00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:36.729 Bruce Cramer: and and they were so nurturing, and everybody, you know, like, if if I screwed up
00:32:37.360 --> 00:32:38.860 Bruce Cramer: and there were many.
00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:46.370 Bruce Cramer: and I could tell stories galore like once on a single project. I lost 3 million dollars
00:32:46.670 --> 00:32:49.199 Bruce Cramer: literally within a month or 2,
00:32:49.620 --> 00:32:53.630 Bruce Cramer: and I was sweating it out because, you know, failure.
00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:59.419 Bruce Cramer: And what did my senior executive boss say to me?
00:32:59.930 --> 00:33:06.510 Bruce Cramer: Well, think of it this way, Bruce. That was a 3 million dollars investment in your education.
00:33:06.690 --> 00:33:08.660 Bruce Cramer: What did you learn from that?
00:33:09.010 --> 00:33:13.850 Bruce Cramer: Not you idiot! You're fired.
00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:41.320 Bruce Cramer: But that was the mindset of the organization, and it is today. And you can go check out, Granger. They're like, I always tell everybody on this show. They're always the best place to work for the highest ethical organization out there in terms of ethics, you know, but they had a growth mindset, 700 million late seventies to billions. They're still growing, doing great things, helping their communities. But they had that growth
00:33:41.320 --> 00:33:50.750 Bruce Cramer: mindset. And so it makes all the difference in the world about failure is a gift, an opportunity to get better
00:33:52.520 --> 00:33:53.500 Bruce Cramer: and
00:33:53.770 --> 00:34:06.600 Bruce Cramer: challenge yourself. Stretch yourself. You want a certain level of failure to really learn and grow and truly succeed at levels unimaginable.
00:34:07.860 --> 00:34:28.429 nawtej dosanjh: So a couple of quick, quiet questions for you. Then, Bruce. You know we've talked about challenging yourself, and what that means is a growth mindset, and what it means is a fixed mindset success of others. What would somebody with a Oh, before I carry on, we have
00:34:28.891 --> 00:34:48.480 nawtej dosanjh: a message from Angie, saying she's in the bar with her friends. She must be listening, because if the message has come through cheers, Angie, thank you for listening along with everybody else. We really appreciate that. That's lovely success of others as a topic, somebody with a growth mindset
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:56.010 nawtej dosanjh: and somebody with a fixed mindset. What? What how does somebody tell me?
00:34:56.610 --> 00:35:03.429 Bruce Cramer: If you have a fixed mindset, and you're watching somebody that's just on fire, you know, just killing it.
00:35:03.740 --> 00:35:05.120 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah. Jealousy.
00:35:05.590 --> 00:35:06.820 Bruce Cramer: Envy.
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:18.739 Bruce Cramer: You know you're looking at that person. God, that bastard, you know, or you know, how the hell does she do this? And and instead
00:35:18.860 --> 00:35:22.300 Bruce Cramer: of looking at going, what the hell are they doing?
00:35:22.570 --> 00:35:38.190 Bruce Cramer: How did she do that? I got to talk to her. I'm inspired. So people that have a growth. Mindset are inspired by people that are truly successful, and will to some degree latch on to them
00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:39.359 Bruce Cramer: to learn
00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:45.639 Bruce Cramer: where, if you're fixed, you avoid them, because it's like I can't. There's no way I can compare it to that.
00:35:46.370 --> 00:35:52.349 nawtej dosanjh: I think that's a great answer. What about you've talked about effort already. Okay.
00:35:53.910 --> 00:35:58.570 nawtej dosanjh: criticism, criticism, so fixed mindset growth, mindset.
00:35:58.890 --> 00:36:17.560 Bruce Cramer: This is where I early in my career especially. Not that I still don't to this day, if somebody criticizes, let's say, a proposal I put together back in my early days, or just, you know, didn't agree with me.
00:36:17.780 --> 00:36:19.610 Bruce Cramer: I would get pretty defensive.
00:36:19.930 --> 00:36:25.389 Bruce Cramer: I would go into the mode of trying to challenge and prove
00:36:25.990 --> 00:36:30.469 Bruce Cramer: why my proposal is good, or why I'm right
00:36:31.330 --> 00:36:43.179 Bruce Cramer: big mistake when that's you know. What I've learned now is, if I have the growth mindset and make sure I got that cap on. If I'm getting that feedback
00:36:43.290 --> 00:36:50.199 Bruce Cramer: there might be a good reason. Somebody might be pushing back on me, because there's something
00:36:50.370 --> 00:37:04.210 Bruce Cramer: that I don't know, that I need to learn whatever. So now, instead of trying to prove my point, or why I'm right, or why this is good. I shut up and listen.
00:37:04.470 --> 00:37:07.180 Bruce Cramer: and and and try to learn
00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:19.460 Bruce Cramer: how I can make it better, because if somebody's pushing back on me, chances are I'm too focused on my ego, and I'm not focused on what's best for what it is we're doing collectively.
00:37:20.170 --> 00:37:24.710 nawtej dosanjh: 1 1 thing just to say, There, Bruce! I don't believe you ever shut up
00:37:25.220 --> 00:37:36.359 nawtej dosanjh: absolutely. No, you do not ever shut up. I mean we I mean, I I have to have security outside your door to make sure that you you we keep keep you keep you
00:37:36.550 --> 00:37:44.660 nawtej dosanjh: in the guardrails of time. Okay, quick. 2 questions for you, and which I'm going to answer to. But I'm going to ask you.
00:37:44.660 --> 00:37:47.445 Bruce Cramer: Yeah. So put you gotta answer.
00:37:47.910 --> 00:37:58.010 nawtej dosanjh: I will. So. But I'm putting the question. So here's the 1st question. Any part of you that has a has a fixed mindset.
00:37:59.646 --> 00:38:10.149 Bruce Cramer: I you know, I to this day I have to guard. Whenever I'm exposed to just a shitload of detail, or I
00:38:10.740 --> 00:38:14.320 Bruce Cramer: I realize I need to do a much deeper dive.
00:38:15.820 --> 00:38:27.620 Bruce Cramer: I'm usually like, oh, I I just I can't handle this. I'm I'm not good at this. I need another set of eyes. Instead of saying.
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:47.819 Bruce Cramer: I need to get good at this. I need to. You know I might not be good at it yet. Go back to our yet, but I can get better, and I've had to do that in that 3 million dollars example I gave it was my lack of attention to detail that blew that wad of cash.
00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.869 Bruce Cramer: And so it was a valuable lesson that.
00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:56.690 Bruce Cramer: you know. Instead of telling myself, I just can't do this. I'm not good at it yet.
00:38:59.050 --> 00:39:08.239 nawtej dosanjh: But but yeah, so I mean, that's very honest of you. The the detail and one area where you've progressed most in terms of the growth mindset.
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:20.660 Bruce Cramer: Oh, I love a challenge. I think I've said this on another show. I've gotten to the point. And and I did this again because I was nurtured by many great
00:39:21.230 --> 00:39:24.690 Bruce Cramer: mentors, my supervisors, coaches, etc.
00:39:24.810 --> 00:39:30.740 Bruce Cramer: I love it when I'm faced with a challenge that I have no clue
00:39:31.020 --> 00:39:39.340 Bruce Cramer: when it's 1st expressed to me as to what the hell to do. I thrive on it now, because I now know
00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:56.659 Bruce Cramer: you know I live a very blessed life. I now know, if I do that I'm going to get so much better. I'm going to learn so much. I'm going to further develop my abilities and my intellect. So I look for those opportunities now.
00:39:58.770 --> 00:40:08.919 nawtej dosanjh: So my thing is, I think that if there's stuff that I'm I haven't been good at.
00:40:09.550 --> 00:40:24.299 nawtej dosanjh: I still will need a bit of self cajoling to to do them. So, for example, I don't think I'm very good at marketing. I was about to say. I know I'm not very good at marketing, but I thought I'd change the language slightly.
00:40:24.450 --> 00:40:26.519 nawtej dosanjh: and so I'm still.
00:40:27.030 --> 00:40:36.140 nawtej dosanjh: I'm still over overcoming that and one area that I've probably progressed in. Go on, Bruce. You're gonna you want to. You want to.
00:40:36.140 --> 00:40:40.019 Bruce Cramer: Well, I was gonna ask you, well, what? What? What have you progressed in.
00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:49.829 nawtej dosanjh: So I think that the area that I've progressed in I am. I've learned to curtail being sensitive to criticism.
00:40:51.790 --> 00:40:55.629 nawtej dosanjh: I've learned to curtail it occasionally it'll still come out
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:04.260 nawtej dosanjh: depends which button is pressed. But mostly mostly I'm quite good at taking feedback.
00:41:04.700 --> 00:41:09.039 nawtej dosanjh: Actually, a better way to say is, I'm good at taking feedback sometimes.
00:41:09.430 --> 00:41:23.659 nawtej dosanjh: if it's critical and it's not really feedback, it's criticism. Then I can probably get a little bit sensitive, whereas really what I should be doing is is learning from it. So
00:41:24.270 --> 00:41:29.660 nawtej dosanjh: you know, I like, I like to think that I've got a growth mindset, but
00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:53.739 nawtej dosanjh: it's it's mixed right? It's not. You've got a tremendous growth mindset. But there's this parts of your character. There's parts of my character, you know it. It that needs needs work. And I think I think it's just important to acknowledge that, in fact, acknowledging that is part of having a growth mindset right?
00:41:54.210 --> 00:41:57.240 Bruce Cramer: Right. I got a question for you.
00:41:59.200 --> 00:42:03.800 Bruce Cramer: And maybe you can answer this when we come back from the break cause.
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.659 nawtej dosanjh: Beautiful setup. I love that.
00:42:05.660 --> 00:42:13.280 Bruce Cramer: Even even though you've been in academia, you work with corporations
00:42:13.470 --> 00:42:17.570 Bruce Cramer: and and the C-suite executives, etc.
00:42:18.030 --> 00:42:18.590 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah.
00:42:19.110 --> 00:42:26.790 Bruce Cramer: Who has the greater growth, mindset academia, or corporate America, or corporate.
00:42:26.790 --> 00:42:42.060 nawtej dosanjh: I am. So I am so glad there's a break coming up now, because because I could. Suddenly there's there's every possibility that I'm gonna be taken ill in the break? I won't be able to answer that question.
00:42:43.080 --> 00:42:50.518 nawtej dosanjh: See, take take the music away while I think up of an illness that does needs immediate medical attention.
00:45:14.166 --> 00:45:31.899 nawtej dosanjh: Welcome. Welcome back everybody. I just phoned my doctor there during the during the break, and I said, Doc, listen, I've got a really tough situation. I've got to answer a difficult question. Can you? Can you just give me an illness that I can fade? And you know what he said, Bruce.
00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:43.020 nawtej dosanjh: you know what he said, he said. That's not a growth mindset. Get on, get back on, get back, on it, get back on the the podcast and answer the question that Bruce has put okay.
00:45:43.020 --> 00:45:43.444 Bruce Cramer: Yeah.
00:45:43.870 --> 00:45:46.519 nawtej dosanjh: So my doctor was not supporting this.
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:54.584 nawtej dosanjh: So my answer is, my answer is truthful. Answer honest answer. I don't think there's
00:45:55.380 --> 00:46:16.169 nawtej dosanjh: I don't think there's a difference. I really don't. I think. I think a growth mindset comes from from individuals. I don't think their their sector matters. I don't think their background matters. I think it's something that's
00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:33.090 nawtej dosanjh: it's contagious. If you happen to be around growth mindset people, it's going to make you a growth. There's a greater chance, greater propensity that is going to make you more growth mindset. If you happen to be around people who have a fixed mindset, you're going to have to work harder.
00:46:33.350 --> 00:47:00.949 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah, work harder. What's wrong with working hard? What's wrong with having obstacles and learning from obstacles? Yeah, you're going to have to work harder. But the truth is, you know, I made a bit of fun about it, but I don't believe there's a difference between academia and and corporate America in terms of you know, who has cornered the market in the growth mindset, and who who's on the naughty step with the fixed mindset.
00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:06.900 Bruce Cramer: Do do you think that's the same between the Uk in America, in the Us.
00:47:07.600 --> 00:47:21.609 nawtej dosanjh: Oh, that's oh, my God! You're you're nasty! You're nasty! Let me call my doctor. See if he'll give me a prognosis for that one. No, I I think culturally there there is. Yes, I think there is. Yes, yes.
00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:22.500 Bruce Cramer: So? Who's.
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:24.170 nawtej dosanjh: On average, on it.
00:47:24.170 --> 00:47:26.720 Bruce Cramer: Who's more fixed, and who's more growth.
00:47:27.410 --> 00:47:31.550 nawtej dosanjh: I think you know the answer to that. So.
00:47:31.550 --> 00:47:32.470 Bruce Cramer: I hope I do.
00:47:32.470 --> 00:47:34.450 nawtej dosanjh: I would say, on average.
00:47:35.585 --> 00:47:51.019 nawtej dosanjh: American culture is more go getting and can do whereas we we can. We can have a we. We can sometimes have a culture of thinking through the problems.
00:47:51.582 --> 00:48:14.149 nawtej dosanjh: More and maybe maybe being self limiting. I don't think you can generalize. I don't think you you can stereotype, but on average, on average there is some truth in that, and there's some research that's been done a long time ago, and I've forgotten the name of the guy who who did it. Where.
00:48:14.430 --> 00:48:21.570 Bruce Cramer: That that would be. That would be true. Nasty question, Mr. Kramer. Nasty, very nasty.
00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:43.859 Bruce Cramer: Only Dr. D. Would have the answer that, and I appreciate that. That's why we love you. Just real quick shout out to Jesse, you know how we were talking earlier about. And, by the way, shout out to Jesse, who produces us engineers. This show. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. She wonderful.
00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:45.580 nawtej dosanjh: Adorable, adorable, lovely.
00:48:45.580 --> 00:48:57.183 Bruce Cramer: And and she put in the comments, I hate this when she does this to me, because then I get thrown off she goes. You embarrass Angie every week.
00:48:57.570 --> 00:49:04.940 nawtej dosanjh: Gotta say, yeah, yeah. But the Bruce, that wasn't a joke. That was that big was, we do a lot of jokes on this show that wasn't a joke, though that's
00:49:06.130 --> 00:49:11.479 nawtej dosanjh: it's real. But let's change tact, because I want to get.
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:11.890 Bruce Cramer: Okay.
00:49:11.890 --> 00:49:22.700 nawtej dosanjh: Few more things. So let's talk about how you can cultivate a growth mindset in difficult circumstances.
00:49:22.810 --> 00:49:30.440 nawtej dosanjh: Let's say you're surrounded by people with a with a you know, fixed mindset.
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:47.210 nawtej dosanjh: How can we cultivate that? It's a tough, tough one, you know, if you're if you're in an unfortunate situation, and you've got to make. You've got to pay the bills. You know, there's kids running around. You're working 2 jobs. How do you get a growth mindset.
00:49:47.660 --> 00:50:16.949 Bruce Cramer: You so again. You're in this group that has fixed, and you're and you have the. I think you have to just demo it. I think you have to demonstrate it. I you know, sometimes we, you know, just simply calling it out. It is, gonna do no one any good. If you're in that group, you welcome the chance for somebody to say something back to you. And you say, Oh, man, that's a great up, you know what? Thank you.
00:50:17.020 --> 00:50:28.160 Bruce Cramer: Because of that, you know, I have an opportunity to get better. If you're hearing, I can't. You could just simply look at them and say, well, not yet, anyways right.
00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:37.350 Bruce Cramer: you know. So demonstrate. You know some of the things we discussed when there's failure in and amongst that group
00:50:38.420 --> 00:50:41.380 Bruce Cramer: you have an opportunity to say, Well, what did we learn from that?
00:50:42.170 --> 00:50:43.120 nawtej dosanjh: Did you accept that.
00:50:43.120 --> 00:50:43.880 Bruce Cramer: That.
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.830 nawtej dosanjh: Would you accept that, though? Would you accept that? It's gonna be tough
00:50:48.150 --> 00:51:04.094 nawtej dosanjh: for for many people, many of our listeners who are in tough situations? Financially or at work, or you know, you know, would you accept that? It's going to be tough for some people?
00:51:04.720 --> 00:51:07.239 nawtej dosanjh: what? What can we say, what can we say to them?
00:51:08.843 --> 00:51:10.670 Bruce Cramer: You with all the.
00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:11.559 nawtej dosanjh: So much.
00:51:12.020 --> 00:51:14.419 nawtej dosanjh: It's no, it's a it's a tough one, and and.
00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:24.016 Bruce Cramer: It is, but there's no doubt it. It's tough, and and we've all been there. We've been surrounded. It could be somebody that's you know
00:51:24.580 --> 00:51:52.080 Bruce Cramer: high in the organ to your point, in an authoritative position that has that fixed mindset. All I can say is, you got to look yourself in the mirror. I think you got to stay true, and you yourself move from a fixed mindset to a growth, and if you just work on that, there's a couple of things, one, as I just pointed out. You might pull a few people along because they'll pick up on the behaviors. You're.
00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:52.420 nawtej dosanjh: Actually.
00:51:52.420 --> 00:51:57.750 Bruce Cramer: Demonstrating, and they're going to feel a little bit about. Oh, that feels kind of good that actually.
00:51:57.750 --> 00:52:00.930 nawtej dosanjh: So what you're saying. So lean into challenges, lean.
00:52:00.930 --> 00:52:02.960 Bruce Cramer: Yes, absolutely.
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.639 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah. Absolutely what else? What else? Feedback.
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.289 Bruce Cramer: What would you say? I'm turning the tables on.
00:52:10.290 --> 00:52:19.779 nawtej dosanjh: So so I'd say, the I'd say what you'd said but also, also I'd say, what are the alternatives?
00:52:20.730 --> 00:52:24.449 nawtej dosanjh: What are the alternatives. Okay, tough spot.
00:52:26.310 --> 00:52:29.450 nawtej dosanjh: I've gone gone through the examples. But
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.780 nawtej dosanjh: what's the alternative to a growth mindset?
00:52:33.750 --> 00:52:35.660 nawtej dosanjh: It's perpetual.
00:52:37.370 --> 00:52:39.960 nawtej dosanjh: I don't want to use the word misery. It's a perpetual.
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.180 Bruce Cramer: Mediocrity.
00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:43.480 nawtej dosanjh: Limiting yourself.
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.560 Bruce Cramer: Yeah.
00:52:44.790 --> 00:52:53.300 nawtej dosanjh: Keeping yourself down kidding yourself that you are. You don't have the
00:52:53.520 --> 00:52:58.760 nawtej dosanjh: ability to do more wrong, wronging yourself, fooling yourself.
00:53:00.330 --> 00:53:02.979 nawtej dosanjh: So if you're in a tough spot.
00:53:03.210 --> 00:53:06.620 nawtej dosanjh: if you're in a tough spot, you know, it's
00:53:07.740 --> 00:53:13.229 nawtej dosanjh: I understand, we understand. But what's the alternative to a growth mindset.
00:53:13.850 --> 00:53:14.550 Bruce Cramer: Yeah.
00:53:14.980 --> 00:53:18.880 nawtej dosanjh: The only alternative is a negative, fixed mindset.
00:53:19.410 --> 00:53:23.172 nawtej dosanjh: which is, gonna keep you into that in that
00:53:24.583 --> 00:53:27.050 nawtej dosanjh: there's no possibility of escaping.
00:53:27.830 --> 00:53:29.670 Bruce Cramer: Correct, and and.
00:53:29.670 --> 00:53:30.650 nawtej dosanjh: Rogerson.
00:53:30.820 --> 00:53:54.409 Bruce Cramer: Yeah, well said, because you have, you can always escape. You can always move on. That may take a little bit of effort, and you know you have to take a lot of things into consideration, but get out of there, if at all possible. The other thing for anybody hearing this when you're interviewing candidates, no matter what your position. If you're interviewing somebody to come onto the team.
00:53:54.470 --> 00:54:01.559 Bruce Cramer: there's plenty of things we gave today to look in their actual work. History? Did they demonstrate
00:54:02.010 --> 00:54:11.739 Bruce Cramer: a positive mindset, or in their comments, or in their examples, did it reek of a fixed mindset.
00:54:13.040 --> 00:54:26.219 nawtej dosanjh: Thanks, Bruce. Okay, Bruce, look Usual thing. We are. One more thing. One final thing from you, one key learning learning thing and a message to our listeners. Before we go. So couple of things.
00:54:26.220 --> 00:54:35.070 Bruce Cramer: Well, I'll give one, and then you give one. Mine is mine is we were born with endless potential.
00:54:35.270 --> 00:54:38.009 Bruce Cramer: Potential is not limited.
00:54:38.340 --> 00:55:07.400 Bruce Cramer: and you can see it in all walks of life, whether it's at, you know, professional sports, you know, there are limitations we have physically and stuff. But if you pick and choose where your passion is, and truly have a passion, you can grow and learn and be wildly successful. It's only you that will hold yourself back. And that's typically the fixed mindset.
00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:33.490 nawtej dosanjh: I think that's a great answer, Bruce. So I want to say this 1st of all, thank you to. I am blown away. We are blown away with. How many people are listening to this show, and it just keeps getting better week, week after week. I'll be honest with you. I have no idea why. I think it's probably Angie. But you know, maybe, Bruce, but I've no idea why. But really, really.
00:55:33.490 --> 00:55:33.920 Bruce Cramer: Good theory.
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:44.629 nawtej dosanjh: Genuinely grateful, genuinely grateful. And I I would I would say the same. I'm going to say the same as Bruce. I'm going to say slightly differently. You don't have any limits.
00:55:45.830 --> 00:55:51.059 nawtej dosanjh: The only limits being placed on on yourself are by you.
00:55:53.990 --> 00:55:57.100 nawtej dosanjh: You don't. You can choose not to have those limits
00:55:57.220 --> 00:56:01.220 nawtej dosanjh: you can choose to fill your brain with different thoughts.
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:08.970 nawtej dosanjh: And whatever situation you're in, there's a way to make it better. And that's where, by having a growth mindset.
00:56:10.710 --> 00:56:12.250 nawtej dosanjh: That's what I'd say, Bruce.
00:56:13.420 --> 00:56:15.809 Bruce Cramer: Excellent! Take us home.
00:56:16.530 --> 00:56:45.060 nawtej dosanjh: Thanks, Angie, thanks, Bruce, Angie, thank you for listening, even though you're in a bar. Really appreciate that. No need but really appreciate that. And, Jesse, thank you also for making this a fun hour, as you produce the show with a growth mindset and your lovely messages throughout the show. But from this from us this week. It's goodbye, and we will see you next week.
00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:47.610 Bruce Cramer: Thank you. Everyone.
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