If you’re serious about job growth, this episode is your playbook. You’ll walk away with real-world insights, stories that resonate, and a few tools that just might change the way you show up starting tomorrow.
Ready to rise without losing your edge or your values? In this bold and refreshing episode, Angie Snowball, Bruce Cramer, and Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh unpack the real secrets behind getting promoted in today’s workplace.
With a classic Gimlet in hand, they dish out practical insights on leading before you're titled, building strategic visibility, and using emotional intelligence as your unfair advantage. Whether you’re climbing the corporate ladder or growing your own business, this episode gives you:
• The truth about why great work alone won’t get you promoted
• A step-by-step mindset and strategy playbook
• Real stories from the top about what actually works
• How to self-promote without selling out
• LinkedIn tips that build credibility, not cringe
Pour yourself a Gimlet, press play, and start showing up like the leader you’re meant to be. Success is best served with a splash.
Gimlet Recipe:
• 2 oz gin
• ¾ oz fresh lime juice
• ¾ oz simple syrup Shake with ice, strain into a coupe, garnish with lime. It’s a no-nonsense drink for a no-nonsense topic.
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In this segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, the hosts discuss the most Googled career question: "How do I get promoted?" They emphasize that promotions are about visibility, not just hard work, and recommend leading before receiving the title by taking initiative and responsibility, even for small tasks. Additionally, they encourage business owners to promote themselves and their team members by demonstrating credibility and empathy, while seeking honest feedback and showing openness to growth within the organization.
In this segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Bruce Cramer shares his personal journey of promotion within Grainger, emphasizing the importance of mastering your current role, building a personal brand, and being coachable. He highlights that Grainger looked for candidates who were authentic, positive, and had a "can-do" attitude, and they were open to providing resources for those without all the technical knowledge. The discussion also touches on the value of likability and self-awareness, suggesting that these qualities are critical to long-term success and promotion within a company.
In this segment, Bruce Cramer and the hosts discuss the fine line between self-promotion and self-sabotage. They warn against behaviors like taking credit for others' work, humble bragging, and publicly criticizing colleagues, all of which can harm long-term success. They emphasize the importance of authenticity, positive attitude, and likability in professional advancement, along with the need to create a strong personal brand on platforms like LinkedIn without overstepping into self-serving behaviors.
In this segment, the hosts address a listener's question about being ignored for promotions despite maintaining a positive attitude. They encourage staying intentional and letting people know you're aiming to grow, suggesting that if you're not being valued where you are, it might be time to explore other opportunities. Bruce highlights the importance of seeking feedback and adjusting based on the response, while Angie emphasizes the need to build a professional network, particularly through platforms like LinkedIn, even before it's necessary.
00:00:48.380 --> 00:01:04.490 Angie Snowball: Hello, everyone, and welcome back to serving up success with a splash. Tonight I am joined. Well, 1st of all, my name, Angie Snowball, the Renaissance woman. See, I just feel like everybody knows me. Alright. I'm joined by my co-host.
00:01:05.470 --> 00:01:08.420 Bruce Cramer: Bruce Kramer, the corporate cockroach.
00:01:09.635 --> 00:01:10.590 Angie Snowball: And.
00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:21.889 nawtej dosanjh: And I am not the strategy doctor, and apparently I have to do my own introductions. Now, you guys aren't gonna introduce me after I have to say my own name. Now that what's that about.
00:01:21.890 --> 00:01:25.929 Angie Snowball: No, I'm over it. Everybody can grow up and do their own names.
00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:27.626 Bruce Cramer: Dr. D.
00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:33.609 Angie Snowball: Alright. So before we get started, guys, how was your week anything exciting.
00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:35.520 nawtej dosanjh: It's been.
00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:35.880 Angie Snowball: Busy.
00:01:35.880 --> 00:01:42.829 nawtej dosanjh: Busy, busy weekend. Yeah, it's been so super busy I've been. I've been working till 1011
00:01:43.010 --> 00:01:49.310 nawtej dosanjh: most nights this week, so tomorrow I'm looking forward to shutting down about 3 Pm.
00:01:49.806 --> 00:01:55.470 nawtej dosanjh: And I'll be. I'll be having a drink at 4 30 I'll be. I'll have a drink in front of me at 4, 30 tomorrow.
00:01:55.910 --> 00:02:00.494 Angie Snowball: Oh, good! I was. Gonna say, Nantes, there's an episode on that called time management.
00:02:01.310 --> 00:02:03.500 Angie Snowball: Well, let's go ahead.
00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:05.460 nawtej dosanjh: Like. Should I listen to myself? What I said.
00:02:05.460 --> 00:02:07.629 Angie Snowball: Yes, I think you should.
00:02:08.940 --> 00:02:32.579 Angie Snowball: Oh, like, I said tonight we are going to dive into one of the most googled questions. How do I get promoted, real quick, spoiler, alert. It's not about working hard. You can work hard as hard as you want. It's not going to be enough. It's about visibility being seen and basically working smarter. But before we get there, Bruce is going to do our drink tonight.
00:02:33.040 --> 00:02:33.700 Angie Snowball: corporate.
00:02:33.700 --> 00:02:37.660 Bruce Cramer: Okay. So we're featuring tonight the gin gimblet.
00:02:37.750 --> 00:02:44.630 Bruce Cramer: And basically it's 2 ounces of jam, 3 quarter ounces of fresh lime juice
00:02:44.630 --> 00:03:09.160 Bruce Cramer: and another 3 ounces of our 3 quarter ounces of simple syrup, and then you shake it, and, unlike Angie, I don't have my bar right behind me, but you just shake it up, you strain it and you pour it, and it's really crisp and clean, so I highly recommend it. Now I cheated. I just poured the gin in tonight, because I was running a little late.
00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:11.720 Bruce Cramer: did a little twist the lemon
00:03:11.890 --> 00:03:16.980 Bruce Cramer: and a little shot of olive juice, but to everybody cheers.
00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:17.830 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah.
00:03:17.830 --> 00:03:18.460 Angie Snowball: Cheers.
00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:19.129 nawtej dosanjh: Can you do it?
00:03:19.130 --> 00:03:20.180 Bruce Cramer: You angie.
00:03:20.180 --> 00:03:32.440 Angie Snowball: I know. I think I'm the only one with the real gimlet, and, to be honest, I chose this because I have a gimlet glass, and I've been dying to use it. It's so super cute cause, Natas, you cheated, too. Right? What's in your drink?
00:03:32.440 --> 00:03:37.999 nawtej dosanjh: I don't think cheating is the right word to describe what I did. No, I put some gin, and I put some tonic.
00:03:38.150 --> 00:03:46.200 nawtej dosanjh: and I didn't. I didn't fancy I didn't fancy a lemon or a lime, so I'm not sure that's cheating, Angie. Do really? You would describe that as cheating.
00:03:46.390 --> 00:03:52.349 Angie Snowball: It's adjusting. It's adjusting. That's what we're gonna call it. So we're gonna call it okay. So.
00:03:52.350 --> 00:03:52.910 nawtej dosanjh: It could be.
00:03:53.310 --> 00:04:05.970 Angie Snowball: It's adjusting, adjusting to your own taste, making things work for you. And that's basically what our podcast, is all about strategy, meets, happier making things work for you. So talking about getting promoted.
00:04:05.980 --> 00:04:27.909 Angie Snowball: we chose it because, you know, every week we're trying to choose topics that are relevant. That's our biggest goal. We want to be relevant and helpful to all of you. So, by the way, if you have topics, let us know direct messages, drop it in social media whatever, let us know. But I went ahead and did some research, got some marketing buddies involved, and said one of the number one asked questions.
00:04:28.210 --> 00:04:44.639 Angie Snowball: how do I get promoted so? And this can work for everybody? This isn't just if you're, you know, entry level, mid level, you know, even upper level. It can also work all the things we're going to talk about work as well when you are a business owner.
00:04:44.770 --> 00:05:09.149 Angie Snowball: So because basically as a business owner. You are one you are looking for people to promote. So it's a good way for you to look at the right people to hire and promote. But 2. You're basically hiring, getting yourself promoted all the time as as a business owner, because you want people to see who you are and what you do. And we're all selling ourselves without the nasty ick feeling. That's what we're trying to do.
00:05:09.836 --> 00:05:28.249 Angie Snowball: Okay, so we were gonna start this after the break. But we got done really fast today. So I'm going to hand it over to Dr. D. To get us started because he is the strategy guy. And he actually, you know, makes notes and does things. So we're going to let him do this 1st and walk us through some principles.
00:05:29.320 --> 00:05:31.612 nawtej dosanjh: Angie. Thanks, but quick, quick question, Angie.
00:05:31.940 --> 00:05:32.470 Angie Snowball: Yes.
00:05:32.470 --> 00:05:40.340 nawtej dosanjh: Did you know be before we started? This topic? Did you know it was one of the most googled questions, because I did not know.
00:05:41.310 --> 00:06:06.330 Angie Snowball: I didn't know it was like as high as it was. I figured it would be somewhere like top 10. By the way, when you're talking about business, professional development category? I think one of the most googled questions is probably like, How do I make a million dollars, or you know, what do drafts have spots, or you know, something like that? But for us I did not know it was going to be as high as it was, I was really shocked. How high it was! That's why I thought we should do it.
00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:08.379 nawtej dosanjh: And it was higher than.
00:06:08.380 --> 00:06:09.270 Bruce Cramer: Good call.
00:06:09.270 --> 00:06:10.880 nawtej dosanjh: Pops have spots. Wow!
00:06:10.880 --> 00:06:16.253 Angie Snowball: Yeah, really beat that one out how fast and beat it out.
00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.739 nawtej dosanjh: Bruce, did you? Did you have something? There.
00:06:21.280 --> 00:06:28.949 Bruce Cramer: No, I just said good call by Angie because I didn't realize that either. But, like Angie, I knew it had to be high on the list
00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:32.300 Bruce Cramer: and stay tuned. It's not that difficult.
00:06:33.410 --> 00:06:41.650 nawtej dosanjh: Who knows? So so, guys, I've got some thoughts about in this segment I want to sort of. And I want to get your opinions on this.
00:06:41.890 --> 00:06:57.659 nawtej dosanjh: There are lots of ways to sort of position yourself to get promoted. I want to start with the things to do. I know later on we want to cover what not to do. But let's start with what to do.
00:06:57.910 --> 00:07:01.790 nawtej dosanjh: and the 1st one, I always think, is the easiest one.
00:07:01.990 --> 00:07:06.190 nawtej dosanjh: Lead before you get the title
00:07:07.940 --> 00:07:13.099 nawtej dosanjh: lead before you get the title. But what does that mean? Let's expand on that. Behave
00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:24.980 nawtej dosanjh: as though you have got the the job, and what I don't mean behave that way and start ordering people around, because that's that's in the that's in the what not to do. Category.
00:07:24.980 --> 00:07:27.160 Angie Snowball: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely.
00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:33.180 nawtej dosanjh: You know what I mean? I mean, show initiative. Do stuff, do hard stuff.
00:07:33.758 --> 00:07:40.529 nawtej dosanjh: volunteer for stuff. Do the jobs that nobody else wants to do, even if they're easy.
00:07:40.640 --> 00:07:47.439 nawtej dosanjh: Okay, really, really get, take some accountability and responsibility and and enjoy what you're doing.
00:07:47.770 --> 00:07:48.860 Angie Snowball: Gosh! It's such
00:07:48.860 --> 00:08:17.880 Angie Snowball: good advice, you know, real quick. When I was at Procter and Gamble I came in as the lowest of the low, because, remember, I just left acting. So I came at the bottom of the totem pole, so I didn't have any ambitions. I just wanted to help out and and be friendly. And I took all those little things like, Okay, we're doing a team building exercise to the Zoo who wants to do it. Nobody raised their hand, I always raised my hand, and lo and behold! 6 months later the lowest person on the totem pole. Everybody knew who I was.
00:08:17.890 --> 00:08:33.130 Angie Snowball: Everybody knew I was willing to help, and everybody knew I was good at organizing, and it was the smallest stuff. So I love that you include that. It's not ordering people around. It's taking initiative even on the things that are not right in your face. Even the small things
00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:34.620 Angie Snowball: that's awesome point.
00:08:34.620 --> 00:08:44.090 nawtej dosanjh: That's brilliant, Angie on on that note. Can you? Can you volunteer to introduce me next week again? Can we go back to you introducing me rather than me. Introduce myself. Okay, forget it. We'll move on.
00:08:44.645 --> 00:08:45.160 nawtej dosanjh: Okay.
00:08:45.160 --> 00:08:46.500 Angie Snowball: So really, hit.
00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:53.389 nawtej dosanjh: Have that? Have that conversation with yourself? What do I mean by have that conversation with yourself? How can I grow?
00:08:53.820 --> 00:08:54.830 nawtej dosanjh: Not?
00:08:55.020 --> 00:09:00.290 nawtej dosanjh: How am I how I am I going to get to the next level? How can I grow?
00:09:00.810 --> 00:09:03.129 nawtej dosanjh: How can I be better than I am now?
00:09:03.607 --> 00:09:21.820 nawtej dosanjh: Also, you know, track, track your achievements, note them down, track your big wins when you got praise, make a note of them, because at an interview, at some point in the future. Somebody's going to ask you, what did you achieve? When did you so pick the times when you got praise right?
00:09:21.990 --> 00:09:33.760 nawtej dosanjh: So don't don't make make stuff up. Pick the time when you got praise, and you got big wins, and everybody around was was was applauding you for volunteering to go take everybody to the Zoo, you know. Pick those things.
00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:34.280 Angie Snowball: Yeah.
00:09:34.280 --> 00:09:38.309 nawtej dosanjh: We. We had a big topic on Eq. We got more Eq. Coming in
00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:44.320 nawtej dosanjh: subsequent weeks, but really live Eq. Particularly the empathy part.
00:09:45.510 --> 00:09:58.770 nawtej dosanjh: Treat people treat people with respect, have empathy. Try and see where they're coming from. Have an idea where they're coming from, non verbally, rather than just listening out to
00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.690 nawtej dosanjh: what's said at face value.
00:10:01.900 --> 00:10:15.500 nawtej dosanjh: How they are! They are they quiet, are they? Are they? Late in for work? Are they? Do they stay late pick up on these cues need these non nonverbal queue cues. And and I think.
00:10:15.680 --> 00:10:25.870 nawtej dosanjh: finally, I want to say this, and we I've got a list of 15 things, I'm sure, but I want to say, promote yourself, but do it smartly.
00:10:27.010 --> 00:10:31.230 nawtej dosanjh: Do do some. Promote yourself with credibility.
00:10:31.780 --> 00:10:33.460 nawtej dosanjh: Don't big yourself up.
00:10:33.860 --> 00:10:49.379 nawtej dosanjh: but pick yourself up with with credibility. I did this big piece of work. I'm really proud of the fact that I did. I did this piece of work, you know. I feel like I've packed a lot in there. What do you? What do you think Angie? Was there? Is there enough, is there?
00:10:49.380 --> 00:10:50.260 nawtej dosanjh: There is a lot.
00:10:51.940 --> 00:10:53.760 Angie Snowball: Oh, Bruce has one! Go ahead, Bruce.
00:10:54.110 --> 00:10:54.630 nawtej dosanjh: I agree.
00:10:54.630 --> 00:10:59.090 Bruce Cramer: 1st of all, I liked all of those points are dead on.
00:10:59.260 --> 00:11:06.570 Bruce Cramer: But when you said, Have that conversation, and you're absolutely right, you have to have it with yourself. You have to know.
00:11:06.920 --> 00:11:12.480 Bruce Cramer: What do I want to do? How do I want to grow again? It's having that self-awareness.
00:11:12.560 --> 00:11:35.040 Bruce Cramer: but also make it known to the organization. Have this conversation with your supervisor and others. Kind of advertise what it is you ultimately want to do, and invite everybody in and helping you get there like you can, you know. Be honest, say, hey! I know I'm not ready.
00:11:35.040 --> 00:11:43.119 Bruce Cramer: Here. Here are what I think. My strengths and weaknesses are. What do you think you know in enlist people.
00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:54.660 Bruce Cramer: in helping you achieve the things you want to achieve and get that honest feedback as to how well are you doing on the path to where you want to go?
00:11:55.500 --> 00:12:17.059 Angie Snowball: And showcase what you're doing. And this is where I think people get the Ew. Ick, feeling like not touched on a little bit like, but you can do it in a nice way, you know. Like, if you did something that was a big achievement. Don't don't say I want everybody to know I'm freaking amazing. And this is what I did. That's what not to do. But you can get on there and say, I want to thank
00:12:17.060 --> 00:12:42.050 Angie Snowball: my team and the people who supported me to win this award, because I am honored to be a part of this, and thank you for being part of my journey. So then you're lifting other people up as well while you're doing that you're building a relationship. But you're still letting people know. Hey, man, I'm pretty good. I got this award. There can do that without an ick feeling, and, like Bruce said, you know, ask people what to do, and it doesn't have to. Don't go in there and say, listen!
00:12:42.050 --> 00:12:50.460 Angie Snowball: I want to be your boss. How do I do it? I need a list that's pushy. That's not to do but, like, Bruce said, opening the conversation, asking questions.
00:12:50.460 --> 00:13:12.499 Angie Snowball: That's going to be to me is one of the most important things. Someone who wants to learn is one of the most important things, because it says they're open. So if someone comes in to me and says, You know, I would really like to do this someday. What would I need to do to get there, you know, and then take that feedback. What? You're not good at
00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:17.860 Angie Snowball: assertiveness, aggressiveness. There's a million ways to get professional development. Now
00:13:18.270 --> 00:13:35.429 Angie Snowball: hint, hint, hint, listen to our podcast every week. But there's a lot of other ones. And there's other things to do, and that's something you can do as well. So we're going to get way more into this. Next. When we get back, Bruce is going to start. We're going to let Bruce talk as long as he wants, because he's got some killer stories.
00:13:35.430 --> 00:13:37.610 Angie Snowball: No, within reason, Angie.
00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:51.080 nawtej dosanjh: Angie. No, no, we're not. He's not gonna go on that long within reason, within reason. Okay, I've got security. I've got a security outside his front door, and if it goes on too long.
00:13:51.580 --> 00:13:58.879 Angie Snowball: Gonna cut him off. All right, Jesse, go ahead and take us to break and join us in a few more minutes to hear Bruce's stories.
00:15:47.290 --> 00:15:51.799 Bruce Cramer: Okay, okay. I was waiting for your queue.
00:15:51.800 --> 00:15:53.600 Angie Snowball: I know, really allowed to.
00:15:53.600 --> 00:16:14.460 Bruce Cramer: So I you know, I'm just going to acknowledge the organization, because even to this day they are voted the best organization to work for one of the most innovative, and it happens to be a distribution company that's been around for a long time. Grainger. I owe everything I've got to them
00:16:14.460 --> 00:16:35.299 Bruce Cramer: I choose to, you know. Shout them out, because, to be honest, I was there for 42 years, so a lot of my stories come from the time they helped me grow up, and they truly did. They're a very nurturing, forward thinking organization that really focuses on the customer.
00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:37.720 Bruce Cramer: Having said that. So
00:16:38.140 --> 00:16:43.460 Bruce Cramer: how do you get promoted? Those that have seen this? You all know I'm the slow kid.
00:16:43.590 --> 00:16:48.709 Bruce Cramer: No, if ands or buts about it. I am the slow kid in the room.
00:16:48.710 --> 00:16:50.800 Bruce Cramer: However, do not believe him.
00:16:50.970 --> 00:17:17.790 Bruce Cramer: Oh, that is so true! I could tell you people there's people still alive that can vouch for this at Grainger, because I'm as old as dirt. But what happened is that, you know, over a 15 year period, with lots of nurturing, lots of mentoring from just the organization at large, and everybody that was in my life team members, my supervisors, managers, etc.
00:17:18.380 --> 00:17:41.159 Bruce Cramer: They were all behind me. Well, I grew up to the point that eventually I was very big in operations. This goes to about 1995. I was then running the largest facility in the network of about 370, some facilities that they had throughout the country and parts of the world at that time.
00:17:41.350 --> 00:17:44.769 Bruce Cramer: And there was this need
00:17:44.770 --> 00:18:14.439 Bruce Cramer: as a distribution company like I said, they're very forward thinking they didn't want to be that dinosaur and everybody. You know, this is when technology, the Internet virtual networks, and I would say malls and stuff were starting to spring. You know, clearly we're moving into the digital age at a very fast pace in 1995. Well, not wanting to be left behind. Grainger was like, you know, what we got to look across the landscape.
00:18:14.740 --> 00:18:16.360 Bruce Cramer: and we got to pick
00:18:16.710 --> 00:18:37.429 Bruce Cramer: who we think our best performers are in each area. So for me, I was considered operations. They went to finance. They went to Hr. They went to product management. They went to marketing. And basically they created a team that I always referred to as the dirty dozen.
00:18:37.580 --> 00:18:39.630 Bruce Cramer: We were handpicked.
00:18:40.310 --> 00:18:45.190 Bruce Cramer: Now, if you can imagine this little kid getting a call, saying.
00:18:45.550 --> 00:18:50.470 Bruce Cramer: Would you be interested? And this would be leaving operations going in the corporate.
00:18:50.840 --> 00:18:52.890 Bruce Cramer: And here's your job.
00:18:53.110 --> 00:19:03.929 Bruce Cramer: Guide us from a technology. How can we leapfrog our competition and really move quickly into the digital world?
00:19:04.870 --> 00:19:06.940 Angie Snowball: Well, how did you get that call?
00:19:07.820 --> 00:19:08.220 Angie Snowball: You.
00:19:08.220 --> 00:19:21.079 Bruce Cramer: Okay, so it goes back to everything. Natesh said. Great question, Angie. Thank you. One. They were looking for people that mastered their discipline. So master your current role
00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:28.809 Bruce Cramer: because that's what they were in. They wanted somebody that knew these businesses. They wanted somebody that knew marketing intimately operations.
00:19:28.940 --> 00:19:57.399 Bruce Cramer: And then the other thing is, I had built a personal brand by then. If you haven't noticed, I'm pretty positive I got more energy than I know what to do with, and I have a can do. I can get it done, you know, might not be pretty, but we'll get it done. And you know those were things that I had built, and so they came to me, plus, you know, I happened to be fortunate. I was in the Number one branch. I did grow it to that. And when I say I,
00:19:57.590 --> 00:20:14.120 Bruce Cramer: with hundreds of people supporting it, I never did things alone, because I'm the soul, kid. But anyways they came to me, and I remember my exact comments because there were other candidates. But I you know I'm very authentic.
00:20:14.520 --> 00:20:21.580 Bruce Cramer: I just said, you know you're looking for me to guide the company when it comes to technology. I you know I'm kind of good with word.
00:20:21.690 --> 00:20:29.190 Bruce Cramer: Powerpoint. Still a struggle and excel flips me out, and you're asking me, are you sure?
00:20:29.540 --> 00:20:31.410 Bruce Cramer: But here was the thing
00:20:31.690 --> 00:20:45.219 Bruce Cramer: they recognized when they selected these candidates. They didn't want any biases. It wasn't important to have the skill or the knowledge around the technology. They were going to provide resources to
00:20:45.220 --> 00:21:12.660 Bruce Cramer: get me out there, get me acclimated to what all the things are that are happening in the technology world. What they wanted? Does he have a good understanding of our damn business where the rubber meets the road. And will he be introduce technology that will actually enhance our position in that particular area of the organization and not just be something shiny and fun to do so. I you know. They also knew I was coachable.
00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:14.050 Bruce Cramer: They knew.
00:21:14.050 --> 00:21:15.319 Angie Snowball: Yeah, you know.
00:21:15.320 --> 00:21:15.640 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah.
00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:24.629 Bruce Cramer: If things went off I was coachable, I was adaptable, and I thrive when I don't know what the hell the next step is.
00:21:24.990 --> 00:21:25.610 nawtej dosanjh: Who's ever.
00:21:25.610 --> 00:21:26.020 Bruce Cramer: Search.
00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:40.300 nawtej dosanjh: I have a I have a question for you around this, the other the other candidates, the other the other 11 in the dirty dozen were they similar to you in in terms of attitude? Describe them? You know what were the similar things.
00:21:40.910 --> 00:21:41.320 Bruce Cramer: Good.
00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:42.120 Angie Snowball: Perfect.
00:21:42.120 --> 00:21:57.309 Bruce Cramer: Yeah in in. And I would say, 50% of us fit my description. We were masters of what we did, and they wanted that knowledge to be complemented by technology not replaced.
00:21:58.530 --> 00:22:15.209 Bruce Cramer: And so I would say 50, the other 50%. There were some people that had quite a bit of technical knowledge and and again, you know, they were all at that time considered the best in their field.
00:22:15.540 --> 00:22:27.120 Bruce Cramer: and and, as you can imagine, we, you know, the 12 of us develop very, a very strong working relationship, and coincidentally we complemented one another.
00:22:27.690 --> 00:22:35.249 Bruce Cramer: Oh, shit! Hang on to Bruce! He could run us off the edge, you know, and so we complemented one another.
00:22:35.250 --> 00:22:37.170 nawtej dosanjh: Got another question for you, Bruce. So.
00:22:37.170 --> 00:22:37.500 Bruce Cramer: Sure.
00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:43.489 nawtej dosanjh: Were any of them. Were any of them sort of all about, you know self-promotion in any way.
00:22:44.340 --> 00:22:47.859 Bruce Cramer: None, because this was a role.
00:22:48.130 --> 00:22:50.109 Bruce Cramer: It says a lunch.
00:22:50.110 --> 00:23:14.260 Bruce Cramer: All 12 of our careers, I mean, literally our incomes doubled in a very short period of time. I mean, it was a big thing, and none of us advertised for the position, and in fact, all the candidates were handpicked. But what I'm highlighting is. The organization looks for those folks that one are authentic.
00:23:15.320 --> 00:23:21.200 Bruce Cramer: They they are very self-aware. They know who they are. They know what they're not
00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:25.710 Bruce Cramer: 2. They have freaking attitude.
00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:42.379 Bruce Cramer: you know you. You tell them you can't do it, and they will prove you wrong, but they have a positive attitude that inspires the people around them, because the reality is, they knew with this little kid I wouldn't have the answers.
00:23:42.490 --> 00:23:45.980 Bruce Cramer: But I'll be damned. I'll know where to get them. I know the questions to.
00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:47.290 Angie Snowball: I'll find him.
00:23:47.290 --> 00:23:48.179 Bruce Cramer: And I will.
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:49.499 Angie Snowball: Figure it out, yeah.
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.219 Bruce Cramer: Too proud to say I need help.
00:23:52.620 --> 00:23:53.370 Angie Snowball: Yes.
00:23:53.650 --> 00:23:58.769 Bruce Cramer: And I would say the 3rd thing. So this is how easy it is to get promoted.
00:23:59.030 --> 00:24:04.579 Bruce Cramer: Authentic, positive attitude, a can-do attitude
00:24:04.970 --> 00:24:12.409 Bruce Cramer: not passive, not neutral, not negative, can do 3rd thing likable.
00:24:13.810 --> 00:24:15.489 Bruce Cramer: We like him, even if he's.
00:24:15.490 --> 00:24:16.240 nawtej dosanjh: Screws up.
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:35.039 Bruce Cramer: Kind of likeable, and I would say all you know the bulk of the candidates fit that to the T. We were all easy, because we knew we'd have to be coached. In fact, that's the 1st time I was introduced to an executive level coach to help me navigate at the very top of the organization at that point in my career.
00:24:35.660 --> 00:24:36.670 nawtej dosanjh: So so.
00:24:36.670 --> 00:24:52.479 nawtej dosanjh: Bruce, can I just bring in Angie here? Just on that point, on those 3 points? Have you experienced the same thing in your career with with those 3 points? Or is there anything slightly different about? You know, you know what I'm trying to get at here is.
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:53.310 nawtej dosanjh: yeah? So
00:24:53.310 --> 00:25:06.979 nawtej dosanjh: so do do inauthentic. I mean, if you're self promoting because you've done great work, I don't have a problem with that. But inappropriate inauthentic self promoters have they been promoted in your experience.
00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:14.449 Angie Snowball: So I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. The corporate world is a shit show most of the time. Right? So, yeah, I saw some get promoted, but they didn't last.
00:25:14.450 --> 00:25:15.070 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah.
00:25:15.070 --> 00:25:22.809 Angie Snowball: I saw some get promoted, and it was a disaster, and several of those came back to me because I honestly had no
00:25:22.810 --> 00:25:47.659 Angie Snowball: no business being promoted. I didn't know what I was doing. I was new, I had no background. I had nothing in that, but a lot of people came back to me and asked me to help out with a project or to do this or that, because, like Bruce said, Coachable, that's so. Such a big deal, and I think Number 2 people knew was authentic because you sit at the corporate table and everybody says, Well, the Cprs don't meet the Kpis because the Kpgs weren't.
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.350 Angie Snowball: and I was the only person in the room that said, What the hell is a Kpg.
00:25:51.350 --> 00:25:53.729 Angie Snowball: What are these letters like? I don't.
00:25:53.730 --> 00:25:58.379 nawtej dosanjh: Why, why are you going through the alphabet? What's what's wrong? Can you just not go? ABC.
00:25:58.600 --> 00:26:19.410 Angie Snowball: And then inevitably, when we'd leave that meeting, somebody or many somebody's would come up to me and say, Oh, my God, thank you for asking. I didn't, and I think eventually that becomes your reputation. And funny. One of my bosses said that I was fearless, and I thought, that is so, not what I am. I'm just not smart, so I'm asking lots of questions.
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:31.079 Angie Snowball: So, but that was the reputation I got for not being afraid to ask, because I'm coachable. I think that's the number. One thing is being coachable and letting people know you're coachable.
00:26:31.930 --> 00:26:32.660 nawtej dosanjh: Interesting.
00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:41.340 Angie Snowball: How about you, Natas? You're asking a lot of questions about these self promoters. What's your experience? Because your realm is a little different in some ways, you know, academia and whatnot.
00:26:41.340 --> 00:26:56.169 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah, yeah. So I think similar similar to Ung, that. I noticed. So I I want to differentiate between self promotion, which is, you know, authentic
00:26:56.280 --> 00:26:58.720 nawtej dosanjh: and self promotion, which is
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:12.589 nawtej dosanjh: in not authentic. It's it's based on something else, which which? If you give me a you know. A few minutes in this. In the next segment. I want to really touch on touch on that big time. But.
00:27:12.590 --> 00:27:13.310 Angie Snowball: I guess.
00:27:13.310 --> 00:27:23.019 nawtej dosanjh: I think you're right. I think you're. I think you're right. I think I've seen people get promoted, but they haven't lasted. They've been found out.
00:27:24.190 --> 00:27:24.630 nawtej dosanjh: It.
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:49.719 Angie Snowball: And that was also before culture was such a big deal right now. Culture is a big fit, I think. I mean, this is 2025 years ago. Things are so different now. People are looking for likable, coachable before they're looking for skills. In the old days it was like, okay, this guy's been here that long. He's been here longer than the other one. He knows more than this, and we'll promote him. And you've got some super duper, brilliant engineer that hates people.
00:27:49.930 --> 00:27:57.850 Angie Snowball: You know me managing 30 people, and it's a disaster. Now I believe that doesn't happen as often because.
00:27:57.850 --> 00:27:58.380 nawtej dosanjh: As of.
00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:00.599 Angie Snowball: General culture is, find a fit.
00:28:01.060 --> 00:28:02.549 nawtej dosanjh: More important.
00:28:03.030 --> 00:28:06.399 Bruce Cramer: I? Well, I also want to say this is backed
00:28:06.790 --> 00:28:10.820 Bruce Cramer: by lots of scientific evidence. When I talked
00:28:11.030 --> 00:28:35.669 Bruce Cramer: before about authenticity, attitude, etc, there's a study that was done just like these old tools we talked about Swat. We talked about diamond mapping blah blah what was called the Carnegie triangle. I believe it was a study done by Carnegie. They actually enlisted Napoleon Hill to conduct this study. So if you don't know who he is, look him up.
00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:43.549 Bruce Cramer: but across thousands of organizations, over a decade of study
00:28:43.830 --> 00:28:47.679 Bruce Cramer: they listed. What are the successful attributes
00:28:48.120 --> 00:28:58.129 Bruce Cramer: of success, or what are the key attributes of successful people. Well, they got a bunch of feedback. So they narrowed into 3 categories.
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:05.239 Bruce Cramer: And the 3 categories skills skills account for 7.5%
00:29:05.790 --> 00:29:13.999 Bruce Cramer: of your success knowledge was the second bucket. Guess what? 7.5%.
00:29:14.140 --> 00:29:23.410 Bruce Cramer: So now we're at 15%. Guess what the key attribute of successful people was in this very scientific study
00:29:24.010 --> 00:29:28.099 Bruce Cramer: attitude 85%. And this.
00:29:28.100 --> 00:29:28.520 Angie Snowball: Okay.
00:29:28.520 --> 00:29:38.389 Bruce Cramer: Look it up. This is a very well published study in business, and every business school alludes to it worth their salt.
00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:40.119 Angie Snowball: Even I've heard of that.
00:29:40.260 --> 00:29:54.689 Angie Snowball: So look it up while we're on break, because Jesse is going to take us to break, and when we come back. Bruce is going to tell us more about what not to do, because sometimes that's more important than what to do. So, Jesse, go ahead and take us away. Thank you.
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:44.039 Bruce Cramer: Welcome back everybody. By the way, thank you all for joining. We love you, we love you. We love the fact that our show continues to grow, and it's all because of you, all right. So, as we said, cheers, everybody.
00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:44.670 Angie Snowball: Cheers.
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:45.280 nawtej dosanjh: 10.
00:31:45.280 --> 00:31:57.110 Bruce Cramer: As as Angie said, and I'm not going to talk much, believe it or not, but I want to open this segment up with. There's a fine line between self promotion
00:31:57.340 --> 00:31:59.809 Bruce Cramer: and self sabotage.
00:32:00.820 --> 00:32:02.789 Bruce Cramer: And what do I mean by that?
00:32:02.950 --> 00:32:07.800 Bruce Cramer: I've known people, whether it be in this day and age, their posts
00:32:08.520 --> 00:32:14.110 Bruce Cramer: or their workplace behavior that screams, oh, look at me!
00:32:14.230 --> 00:32:18.020 Bruce Cramer: Well, I'm here to tell you their Sol
00:32:18.710 --> 00:32:38.130 Bruce Cramer: when it comes across. Oh, look at me versus. Here's how I might be able to help. There's a world of difference. And as I mentioned, you want to build an army of people that are trying to help you, and you're trying to help them become successful, and nobody wants to show off. Natasha.
00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:39.839 Angie Snowball: Are not touched. How do we do that?
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:52.240 nawtej dosanjh: Lots of ways as usual. And, Bruce, I think you're I think you're dead on right there. The the the look at me. Let let me expand
00:32:52.831 --> 00:32:59.010 nawtej dosanjh: at the at the look on me. What? Not to do things to avoid.
00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:00.650 nawtej dosanjh: Sing one.
00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:08.100 nawtej dosanjh: But this is a pet peeve of mine. The 1st 2 are real pet peeves of mine crowdsourcing information.
00:33:08.470 --> 00:33:14.629 nawtej dosanjh: you know, in your group, in your team across teams, and then going to present it as your own.
00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:19.759 nawtej dosanjh: and like a like a look at me, I have. Look at me. I have all this information.
00:33:20.010 --> 00:33:31.930 nawtej dosanjh: Please don't do it. It's really painful. It's really icky and you you might succeed for a short time, but you erode your your long term value.
00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:39.570 nawtej dosanjh: Similarly, it's the same sort of thing. But but I want to say in different words, stop taking credit for other people's work.
00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:55.739 nawtej dosanjh: Stop taking credit, you know. That's a thing to avoid, because you you lose friends, you lose influence. You might get some short term gain. Probably you won't even get the short term gain. But I've known it to happen. You get some gain, but it's not going to last.
00:33:55.990 --> 00:34:04.089 nawtej dosanjh: Okay? And then you're scrambling around seeing seeing what to do. Let's talk about public persona.
00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:05.680 nawtej dosanjh: Linkedin.
00:34:06.050 --> 00:34:08.570 nawtej dosanjh: Linkedin is a professional network.
00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:18.199 nawtej dosanjh: Do not put pictures of you going. You go to the gym, or, you know, go to the beach
00:34:18.489 --> 00:34:20.890 nawtej dosanjh: your food, just.
00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:42.710 nawtej dosanjh: you know, or vague, inspirational quotes that you've stolen from. I don't know. Abraham Lincoln or Gandhi, or someone don't do that. Everybody knows it wasn't your quote, you know, so and and similarly on on Linkedin. I want to call it this that sort of humble bragging, you know.
00:34:42.710 --> 00:34:55.500 nawtej dosanjh: I'm honored to be given this recognition again, I feel I feel humbled to achieve, to have achieved. No, just if you want to say something, say it straight
00:34:55.620 --> 00:35:13.349 nawtej dosanjh: and do something, you know the same with authenticity, but but add some credibility to it. Don't do the humble brag. It's not great. I want to say 2 more things, guys, because this has come onto my radar recently. Whatever your situation.
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:19.929 nawtej dosanjh: do not criticize your employer or your colleagues in public.
00:35:20.540 --> 00:35:21.179 Angie Snowball: That's a good one.
00:35:21.180 --> 00:35:23.889 Bruce Cramer: Bad move. Nobody respects that.
00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:30.470 nawtej dosanjh: Indeed, it's that gossip. Nobody respects but at the same time, you know, don't go silent.
00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:39.399 nawtej dosanjh: you know. You gotta speak. So. I was about to say. It's a fine line. It's not a fine line. It's a pretty wide.
00:35:41.180 --> 00:35:42.135 Angie Snowball: Aisle.
00:35:43.090 --> 00:36:08.959 nawtej dosanjh: 6 way highway that you can easily cross between humble bragging and staying silent. There's a massive space. It's not a tightrope. Sorry. Look. I've got a lot more I want to say. But as always, I'm eager to find out what you guys think, Angie, I want to hear about your experience on Linkedin, and what not to do on Linkedin.
00:36:09.450 --> 00:36:19.389 Angie Snowball: Yeah, that's that's something I get a lot. Well, the 1st thing I would say is, be on Linkedin. I'm often surprised how many.
00:36:19.390 --> 00:36:46.420 Angie Snowball: even like higher level executives are, have no profile now, you don't have to be active on Linkedin every day. It's some jobs you won't have an option. You'll be so busy. But what happens? Because we've all been in that. But I've seen my CEO, my Cfo, my coo. I've seen them all let go at a moment's notice. Right so. And of course you're going to use corn, fairy, and you have other recruiting services and whatnot. But what a wasted opportunity
00:36:46.590 --> 00:37:12.550 Angie Snowball: to not have a profile out there, because America's well. The world's favorite pastime right now is stalking people. Since we've had social media, we're allowed to do it legally. And that's what people like to do. I mean you, Google somebody. And this is why you should really have Linkedin, if you Google yourself, unless your name is like John Smith, one of your top 3 to 5 results is usually your Linkedin profile. So what if that's empty?
00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:16.890 Angie Snowball: What a wasted opportunity and bad 1st impression.
00:37:17.110 --> 00:37:37.150 Angie Snowball: Right? So 1st of all, I always tell people always have a profile if you're in the professional world at all. In fact, if you're a mom that's not in the professional world yet, have it. You can still be on there. You can still share insightful things, and then I think it's kind of what Bruce was saying was like personal branding.
00:37:38.030 --> 00:37:44.980 Angie Snowball: Natej. Already wrapped up the humble bragging. We got that part. He's got that down, but you can do stuff on there like we said, just be careful.
00:37:45.110 --> 00:37:48.899 Angie Snowball: But another thing that you want to do is educate.
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:58.539 Angie Snowball: Show people that you're interested in your industry show people share some articles that you find, and not just to show people, but use it.
00:37:58.540 --> 00:38:23.440 Angie Snowball: Use Linkedin to find professional development articles that can make you better at your job because you learn something about your industry, or the trend, or something in it, and then share it with somebody with a thought. Now your thought doesn't have to be a paragraph. You don't have to blog, but when someone stalks you and they look you up on Linkedin, they say. Oh, my! Gosh! This guy! So he's going to be an engineer. Look at all the stuff he's into. He's not just a civil engineer. He's looking at water he's looking at
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:31.979 Angie Snowball: mechanical he's looking at. He's really open to learning new things. So I say that. And as Natej said, Don't bash your employer
00:38:33.150 --> 00:38:52.980 Angie Snowball: help be nice about it to talk about the good things that are happening there, because that's when an employer is going to look for if you're bashing them, or just talking about how you don't like your job. You're throwing red flags all over the place. No one's going to touch you with a 10 foot pole, and you're crazy. If you think employers aren't checking your profile out on Linkedin, they're going to do it, and then.
00:38:52.980 --> 00:39:07.880 nawtej dosanjh: And you see, Angie, don't you? And you just see on Linkedin all the time, I'm thinking. Please please take that down. Somebody tell a friend for some. Please, somebody phone you phone and take that down because that is not going to help you.
00:39:08.390 --> 00:39:32.149 Angie Snowball: Yeah, no, not at all. And then the other thing that same way, like when people, you know, suddenly they're looking for a job, or they're getting unhappy, and they don't want Employer Linkedin actually has a setting for this that you can hide yourself from your own company so they won't know you're looking well, how about not worry about that? How about build a network the whole time you're working with people in your industry
00:39:32.150 --> 00:39:42.819 Angie Snowball: companies? You'd like to work for reach out to them. Say, Hey, I work for Procter and Gamble, but I see you work for Johnson and Johnson. We're in the same industry would love to see some of the stuff you're sharing. Can we connect?
00:39:42.820 --> 00:40:06.900 Angie Snowball: And then, before you get to the point, you're kicked out, and you're trying to keep everything secret. You can reach out to the Johnson and Johnson guy and say, Hey, man, things aren't going great. I'm looking, or I'm just looking to go forward. And you can do this on a private message if you're connected. And then what is that that goes back to the very beginning? We're just building relationships. But build that net of relationships, build that network of
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:11.800 Angie Snowball: people in your industry, people of influence before you need it.
00:40:11.950 --> 00:40:16.059 Angie Snowball: Because if you do it when you need it. You're desperate, so do it.
00:40:16.060 --> 00:40:16.519 nawtej dosanjh: I have a.
00:40:16.520 --> 00:40:18.079 Angie Snowball: While you're enjoying it.
00:40:18.330 --> 00:40:22.349 nawtej dosanjh: I have a I have a question. I have a question. I have a question for Bruce.
00:40:22.510 --> 00:40:26.307 nawtej dosanjh: but it's also, if you have a question for for both of you.
00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:33.730 nawtej dosanjh: What do you think of using professional people for?
00:40:35.770 --> 00:40:36.950 nawtej dosanjh: Your Linkedin?
00:40:37.100 --> 00:40:38.308 nawtej dosanjh: What about you know.
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.259 Angie Snowball: You can go first.st Bruce.
00:40:42.090 --> 00:40:43.200 Bruce Cramer: What do you so hold on.
00:40:43.830 --> 00:40:44.830 Bruce Cramer: Done. I need to.
00:40:44.830 --> 00:40:45.340 nawtej dosanjh: Girls.
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.300 Bruce Cramer: With Natesh. I always have to. I have. I'm I'm a slow kid.
00:40:49.300 --> 00:40:50.499 Angie Snowball: I'll go 1st and let him.
00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:51.050 nawtej dosanjh: Up.
00:40:51.190 --> 00:40:53.919 Bruce Cramer: What do you mean by using professionals?
00:40:54.270 --> 00:40:58.749 nawtej dosanjh: Well, Angie is a professional person who deals.
00:40:58.750 --> 00:41:00.060 Angie Snowball: Create other people.
00:41:00.060 --> 00:41:08.353 nawtej dosanjh: Professional people. Yeah, you do content for other people. Yeah. Oh, wait, you do content for me. Oh, wait.
00:41:09.030 --> 00:41:09.720 Angie Snowball: But
00:41:09.720 --> 00:41:19.380 Angie Snowball: these guys will also know that I'm careful about who I do content, for when I met both of them, when they talked to me about what they wanted to do? I asked.
00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:40.190 Angie Snowball: and I prepared them. I said, Look, I'm going to ask you weird questions. I'm going to ask you about your family. I'm going to ask you about your personal life. I'm going to ask you things you like to do, and people get mad at me because they're like this is not about Linkedin. I won't take on your account to create content if I don't like you if I don't like what you're doing, and I don't feel like I can grab your voice
00:41:40.190 --> 00:41:52.659 Angie Snowball: most content. Creators are not like that. Most of them are shoving in Chat Gpt, and putting it right back out there, you know, and that, I think, is stupid, because that's not you that's Chat Gpt. And so you're not.
00:41:52.660 --> 00:41:53.000 nawtej dosanjh: Bruce.
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:53.730 Angie Snowball: Yourself.
00:41:53.730 --> 00:42:00.900 nawtej dosanjh: But, Bruce Bruce, what did you do before you had Angie to to help you with the content? How did you? How were you active on Linkedin.
00:42:01.510 --> 00:42:22.800 Bruce Cramer: I was active, but not very effective, but you know it just hit me like a ton of bricks. Well, 1st of all, Angie Angie's exactly right. Every organization's Hr. Is looking at all your social media. They have to.
00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:40.289 Bruce Cramer: because you could become a huge liability for these organizations that have deep pockets. That's just the world we live in. So 1st of all, great point, Angie, I never even, you know. And you're absolutely right, all right. The use of professionals.
00:42:41.750 --> 00:42:49.279 Bruce Cramer: You need to every good leader or professional that wants to move forward and up
00:42:49.390 --> 00:42:57.799 Bruce Cramer: needs to invest in themselves. And years ago you couldn't really afford to do it, because you didn't have tools like Zoom.
00:42:57.980 --> 00:43:07.839 Bruce Cramer: where you can have face-to-face conversations with an expert for 30 min. Pay a few 100 bucks and change your life.
00:43:07.990 --> 00:43:20.770 Bruce Cramer: That was impossible. You had to hire some big consulting firm that enters at a million plus, you know you didn't have things readily available. And so when you have somebody like Angie, the Queen of Linkedin.
00:43:21.220 --> 00:43:21.830 Angie Snowball: Oh, it's.
00:43:21.830 --> 00:43:26.839 Bruce Cramer: Not all that expensive. You spend more on a bar in a good night than you would.
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.429 Bruce Cramer: It's really expensive. It's really expensive, Bruce.
00:43:29.725 --> 00:43:30.020 Bruce Cramer: Okay.
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.050 Bruce Cramer: Oh, yeah, that's right. We're.
00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:33.250 nawtej dosanjh: People that's gonna be this.
00:43:33.250 --> 00:43:36.180 nawtej dosanjh: So guys, it's so expensive, it's really expensive.
00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:45.180 Bruce Cramer: But invest in perfect. When you see weaknesses you now have at your disposal the best of the best in the industry via Zoom.
00:43:45.640 --> 00:43:51.199 Bruce Cramer: where you could spend 4 HA month and really change the trajectory of your life.
00:43:51.430 --> 00:43:56.700 Bruce Cramer: It's real easy to do now. And to Angie's point, one of the big.
00:43:56.890 --> 00:44:05.530 Bruce Cramer: big opportunities is, how do I create my brand market? My without being oh, look at me! You got the Angie
00:44:05.770 --> 00:44:09.029 Bruce Cramer: you got, Angie to help you with that, and I'm not promoting.
00:44:09.030 --> 00:44:10.259 Angie Snowball: I even have courses.
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:16.420 Bruce Cramer: Because I get discounts. If if you go and say Bruce had come to you, I get a discount, so so hurry up.
00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:20.510 Angie Snowball: I actually would alright. We gotta go to break
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:21.280 Bruce Cramer: Oh!
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:32.170 Angie Snowball: And then we're going to come back for our last segment to wrap up some of our key ideas, and if you have any questions now would be the time to shoot them over to us. So, Jesse, go ahead and take us to break.
00:46:20.590 --> 00:46:28.719 Angie Snowball: All right, everybody welcome back. And we did get a question, and I love it. It's a good one. So what if I've been positive.
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:34.260 Angie Snowball: But I keep being ignored for promotions. What should I do?
00:46:34.280 --> 00:47:02.230 Angie Snowball: So I'm going to throw my 2 cents before I throw it to these guys. Give them a minute to process. But I love this question because it touches something we didn't really bring up this time is your mindset, and I've been sitting on a Stat. I've just been dying to throw out too many people think there aren't enough promotions to go around. There's only so many jobs. There are approximately 348,000 executive level roles in the United States every year that are open.
00:47:02.350 --> 00:47:09.410 Angie Snowball: So imagine the trickle down of how many high level jobs are open. So I would say to this one.
00:47:09.810 --> 00:47:33.360 Angie Snowball: keep your keep positive. Know that it's possible. So believe it, believe it's possible. Keep the positive attitude be intentional. So try some of the things Bruce and Nataj and I talked about. If you're done all those 3, it might be time to look somewhere else, and that's why we make those Linkedin connections, because you might not be valued where you are. All right. So let's go to Natej. Or Bruce has his finger up. He's ready.
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:41.419 Bruce Cramer: Yeah, well, to your point to your point, being intentional is, let people know you're looking to grow
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:49.350 Bruce Cramer: because I've been in organizations where there are some very talented people. They're very positive, but they're very happy where they are.
00:47:49.560 --> 00:48:02.770 Bruce Cramer: and the organization does them a disservice if they push them up, because now you're going to put them in a role that they may or may not want, even if they're qualified, because they're happier than a pig in mud in what they're doing. So let people know.
00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:05.229 Bruce Cramer: So just I wanted to.
00:48:05.230 --> 00:48:06.000 Angie Snowball: I think that.
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:15.720 Bruce Cramer: I'm being intentional. Let people know you want to get ahead. And what do I need to do from your perspective, to continue forward.
00:48:16.720 --> 00:48:27.460 Angie Snowball: And most companies have performance review times. This is the perfect time to get in there and do that. Let them know what you want to do and ask how to do it, and if they don't give the performance review, ask for it.
00:48:27.590 --> 00:48:33.979 Angie Snowball: Ask for it every 6 months, you know. Let them know I need feedback. So natash. How about you? What are you thinking
00:48:34.900 --> 00:48:35.600 Angie Snowball: so?
00:48:36.430 --> 00:48:58.978 nawtej dosanjh: Actually, I want to really echo the the both your points. Time to leave is a good one, and Bruce as well. being intentional, letting people know don't make assumptions. Yeah, because people might be making assumptions based on your body language, your your nonverbal cues, etc. But I've got I've got a different one. You might be. You might be
00:48:59.980 --> 00:49:05.299 nawtej dosanjh: square peg in a round hole, not not in terms of the company, just the sector.
00:49:05.660 --> 00:49:12.209 nawtej dosanjh: You might. The sector just may not be for you. I've definitely been there
00:49:12.430 --> 00:49:39.770 nawtej dosanjh: in my twenties. I was doing stuff which I was just the wrong. It was the wrong thing, and I wasn't there that long. So it's not as though I was being overlooked. But I just think this happens a lot where people end up in sectors jobs which they didn't intend to go into. They just ended up there and then, but it wasn't quite them. So have a conversation with yourself.
00:49:40.080 --> 00:49:41.719 nawtej dosanjh: Can I grow here?
00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:45.159 nawtej dosanjh: Is this challenging to me? Can I learn?
00:49:46.910 --> 00:49:47.950 nawtej dosanjh: You know.
00:49:47.950 --> 00:49:49.070 Angie Snowball: Do I want to.
00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:57.750 nawtej dosanjh: Do I? Well, I just think that people, you know you, you know, we all have we all have certain types of skills.
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.509 nawtej dosanjh: And if those skills don't marry with the sector you're in.
00:50:03.160 --> 00:50:08.800 nawtej dosanjh: it's find a different sector. It may not even be, find a different job. Find a different sector.
00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:17.219 nawtej dosanjh: Figure out yourself, know who you are, and go to a sector which which really acknowledges your skills.
00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:40.759 Angie Snowball: I feel that hard. When I was at Png after a project, I landed in it, and if my! It Guy's listening, he's laughing so hard. He fell out of his chair. I so did not belong there. I had no intention. I just hated it. I didn't want to be there, so of course I'm not going to get promoted. I hated every day I left, and the minute I was allowed to leave
00:50:40.760 --> 00:51:05.710 Angie Snowball: it was awful. So that's such a great point, I mean, have that honest conversation with yourself, and that's hard to do, because a lot of times, stability and paychecks talk louder than louder than our heart in the real world. But we have to learn to change that. We have to learn to say, look no amount of money. It can ruin me as much as money can buy
00:51:05.710 --> 00:51:13.829 Angie Snowball: things. Money can ruin me by being somewhere. I'm miserable for so long. How about you, Bruce? You've been in a million different spots. What are you thinking.
00:51:13.830 --> 00:51:16.850 Bruce Cramer: Oh, oh, God!
00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:44.130 Bruce Cramer: Well, 1st of all, great points, as always, Dr. D. But Angie, as always, so damn relatable. You piss me off sometimes. But no, I honestly don't have anything to add other than the point. Another point I'm going to bring back from Angie. If you're very good at what you do, and you're being told you're a high performer.
00:51:44.180 --> 00:51:55.420 Bruce Cramer: and you've let people know that you want to continue to grow. And you're you're remaining with a very positive and optimistic attitude, and you're going nowhere.
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:01.650 Bruce Cramer: Go somewhere else, because you will find a place that will appreciate that
00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:18.330 Bruce Cramer: guaranteed. Don't be afraid to leave now. You might want to take another job before you leave the job you're in. Don't just walk out the door because we do have financial responsibilities. Remember our paradigm, our diamond mapping, I should say.
00:52:18.530 --> 00:52:39.340 Angie Snowball: Yeah. And there's countless statistics that it's easier to get a job when you have a job versus when you don't. I think a lot of that's mindset confidence. Whatnot. But let's wrap this up because we've got probably a few more minutes. And Bruce, I'm still coming back to you. You get to talk again, but I would like to look. He looks exhausted now he loves talking all right.
00:52:39.730 --> 00:52:41.800 Angie Snowball: This question is.
00:52:41.990 --> 00:52:58.600 Angie Snowball: what is the one thing that maybe you've learned from us talking, and if it wasn't something that you've learned, what would be your number? One thing you'd tell that person trying to get a promotion. What's the most important thing they should do, or something you learned?
00:52:58.810 --> 00:53:01.369 Angie Snowball: Not as you start. You're always good at this stuff.
00:53:02.620 --> 00:53:07.880 nawtej dosanjh: Easy for me. Really easy. Bruce just said it 2 min ago. Let people know.
00:53:09.090 --> 00:53:12.979 nawtej dosanjh: Let people know. I'm pretty certain that I sat in my twenties, not letting people know.
00:53:14.205 --> 00:53:25.640 nawtej dosanjh: Just let people know. This is our, you know. I see myself. I'm trying to work hard. I I see myself growing in this direction. Maybe that direction. I'm interested in a couple of other things. What do you think.
00:53:26.910 --> 00:53:29.360 Angie Snowball: I love it all right, Bruce. You got about 2 min.
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:37.400 Bruce Cramer: But I'm going to say, let them know. And in addition to letting them know, ask them, what do they think?
00:53:37.770 --> 00:53:42.239 Bruce Cramer: And I've been in this position where they go, Bruce, this just wouldn't be a good fit for you.
00:53:42.580 --> 00:53:47.670 Bruce Cramer: and then you have a decision. But now there's no more no more guessing.
00:53:47.880 --> 00:54:06.720 Bruce Cramer: They flat out. Told you, if that's where you intend to go, we don't think you're a good fit. You have many decisions. I never left the company for that kind of feedback. What I did is try to understand working with that same. Well, where would I be? A good fit? Here's kind of what I'm thinking.
00:54:07.331 --> 00:54:15.530 Bruce Cramer: You know. Never give up, can do but but get the damn feedback, and then move. Move forward accordingly.
00:54:16.560 --> 00:54:18.510 Angie Snowball: That's awesome. So.
00:54:18.510 --> 00:54:23.079 nawtej dosanjh: What about you, Angie? Give us something, give us something big. Give us something amazing.
00:54:24.030 --> 00:54:51.359 Angie Snowball: Well, I think I think for me, I mean I'm the Linkedin Lady right? But I'm really going to push that get a damn profile like. I see that crushing people right now, and I have a lot of friends that are higher up in Hr. And we talk about it all the time she's like, Can I send this guy to you? I'm like, Okay, that's why I created a course for it like you do it. You know you be you. This is how you need to fill it out. But I would say, like tactically, use Linkedin, get connected, build a network before you need it.
00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:53.740 Angie Snowball: That'll be my big takeaway.
00:54:53.960 --> 00:55:02.647 Angie Snowball: So I think, summarizing we've told you that getting promoted isn't just about working hard. It's about
00:55:03.240 --> 00:55:24.099 Angie Snowball: not being someone else. You don't have to change, to get the promotion. It's about being you, but showing everyone who you are, using your voice to let them know who you are what you want, working smart and building relationships, that they know who you are, so that when you're ready to go up they're ready to put you up where you belong.
00:55:25.262 --> 00:55:30.620 Angie Snowball: Any other parting thoughts before we get kicked out. We got 1 min.
00:55:31.200 --> 00:55:54.629 nawtej dosanjh: I just want to say the usual thing about our audience. Thank you. Audience, but also you 2, as usual. Thank you for being so open. You know, I like to think I'm open to we we all just laid out there. We we lay our vulnerabilities out there, and I just really love doing the show with you, too. So thank you to our audience and thank you to you 2 really appreciate.
00:55:54.630 --> 00:55:56.710 Bruce Cramer: D! What's our subject next week?
00:55:57.470 --> 00:56:06.790 nawtej dosanjh: Mindset, something about mindset, something about changing mindset, a growth mindset leaving a fixed mindset behind. All about mindset guys. Next week.
00:56:07.210 --> 00:56:18.259 Angie Snowball: Which is also highly googled. So join us next week. Thank you all so much for listening. Don't forget that success is best served with a splash. See, you.
00:56:18.260 --> 00:56:19.420 nawtej dosanjh: Like sweet.
00:56:19.850 --> 00:56:21.130 Bruce Cramer: That's all that's left.
00:56:21.450 --> 00:56:21.950 Angie Snowball: Whoa!
00:56:21.950 --> 00:56:22.770 Bruce Cramer: Cheers.
00:56:22.770 --> 00:56:23.349 nawtej dosanjh: Did you win.
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