EPISODE SUMMARY:
In this heartfelt and powerful conversation, Clementina Esposito sits down with Leanne McEvoy, Co-Founder & CEO of L2 Culture Solutions, to explore what it really takes to build workplace cultures where people feel safe, seen, and supported. They dive into the importance of honoring lived experiences, how trust becomes the foundation for thriving teams, and why self-awareness is the key to unlocking personal and organizational superpowers.
Listeners will walk away with:
Tangible ways to nurture wellbeing at work
Insight into the connection between workplace culture and prosperity
Practical leadership advice for fostering cultures that heal, empower, and grow
If you care about people, purpose, and prosperity — this one’s for you.
In this episode, Clementina Esposito welcomes Leanne McEvoy, Co-Founder and CEO of L2 Culture Solutions, for a candid conversation about the power of lived experiences in shaping workplace culture. Together, they explore how trust, self-awareness, and psychological safety create environments where people — and businesses — flourish. Leanne shares how her own journey informs her leadership philosophy, why safe spaces are essential for unlocking human potential, and how wellbeing at work can ripple into generational wealth. Listeners will gain actionable insights for building healthier, more human-centered workplaces where people feel safe to be themselves, tell their stories, and thrive.
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In this heartfelt opening to The Happy Spot, Jack Thomas sets the stage with a call to refocus on wellness and humanity in the face of a chaotic world, urging listeners to reconnect with purpose and joy. Clementina Esposito and guest Leanne McEvoy dive into how creating safe spaces and honoring lived experiences unlocks authentic connection, resilience, and even innovation—especially when trust is made a priority. Together, they challenge outdated workplace norms, showing that embracing our full, human selves—grief, joy, and all—is essential to building a happier, more empowered life.
In this deeply personal and insightful segment of The Happy Spot, Leanne McEvoy emphasizes that while not all lived experiences need to be shared in full detail, acknowledging them safely is key to building trust and psychological safety in the workplace. She explains that true happiness and well-being stem from feeling seen, heard, and supported—especially when leadership makes trust a core business value. Drawing from her own transformation and professional journey, she highlights how authenticity, self-acceptance, and genuine connection are foundational to happiness—not titles or money—and that workplaces thrive when they honor the full humanity of their people.
In this powerful and affirming segment of The Happy Spot, Clementina and Leanne explore the archetype of the “black sheep” as not a mark of shame, but a signal of visionary leadership. Leanne shares how being a nonlinear thinker and challenger of the status quo positioned her to co-found L2 Cultures, a company built on transformation, trust, and lived experience. With honesty and humility, she describes herself as a leader who empowers others, welcomes challenge, embraces vulnerability, and builds solutions by putting human connection first—because, as she says, “We are the change.”
In this closing segment of The Happy Spot, Leanne McEvoy and Clementina Esposito reflect on the transformative power of connection, vulnerability, and authenticity—not as buzzwords, but as essential tools for individual and organizational growth. Leanne shares how real leadership means allowing others to be safe for you, too, and explains that validation and psychological safety are what people remember and carry forward. Ending with warmth and gratitude, the hosts emphasize that the greatest legacy leaders can build is a culture where people feel safe enough to say, “This is what I need”—and be met with care.
00:00:11.790 --> 00:00:12.890 JACK THOMAS : Welcome everybody.
00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:34.190 JACK THOMAS : My name is Jack Thomas. We're here at the happy spot. I am sitting at the Producers Club in Manhattan, on 44th Street, and we have the great fortune of having Leanne from L. 2 cultures and Clementine Esposito. I did want to take a moment and just talk about world events on one topic, and as we see it.
00:00:35.400 --> 00:00:38.840 JACK THOMAS : trauma, terrorism, wellness.
00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:40.760 JACK THOMAS : This is New York City.
00:00:40.900 --> 00:00:48.679 JACK THOMAS : We're the epicenter of the world. Everyone else thinks they're the epicenter. I don't want to be obnoxious, but we're all too busy watching P. Diddy.
00:00:48.860 --> 00:01:04.559 JACK THOMAS : I was sitting with a dear friend of mine the other day, and he was telling, asking me, Did you hear about some woman running around and waving herself all about P. Diddy, and everyone's reading in the news but the part we're not reading about is, what does our wellness look like? How do we get there?
00:01:04.580 --> 00:01:21.799 JACK THOMAS : We are fortunate that we have people like Leanne that is passionate with our partner in L 2 cultures targeting corporations, we have the great fortune of Clementine Esposito's wisdom as a past professor, and coming at with hard questions.
00:01:21.800 --> 00:01:35.919 JACK THOMAS : and we're looking for those answers. How do we find wellness? I will share with you. When I was a child. I'm 59. I have, my dear friend, Jeff Goldstein. It's about connections. When we were 10 years old, the 1st time we met he beat me up in the playground.
00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:49.519 JACK THOMAS : I was probably running my mouth. I probably had it coming to me. But let's talk about what's going on in the world. P. Diddy is downtown. That's a horrible thing that's going on. They call it Rico. It's not Rico.
00:01:49.960 --> 00:02:03.419 JACK THOMAS : it's not. It was just bad things. Now, if we come up here on 44th street. We're 10 blocks away. Next year we're going to have Luigi, who went around shooting the CEO of the Health Insurance Company and killed somebody.
00:02:03.690 --> 00:02:15.929 JACK THOMAS : Vigilantism. I'm as New York as you get. But vigilantism isn't how we go about it. We're going to do this together as a group worldwide. We're fortunate, Leanne Clementina.
00:02:16.110 --> 00:02:24.960 JACK THOMAS : having my dear friend Jeff Goldstein, and we're also being supported by Mr. Joseph Mendina in the background at the Producers Club.
00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:38.850 JACK THOMAS : We just want to say to everybody. Thank you, ladies, we look forward to learning, and so we could all be better people and not have vigilantism or running around with craziness. Let's get back to humanity and start measuring happiness.
00:02:48.140 --> 00:02:52.419 Clementina Esposito: Yes, I said, thank you, Jack, and thank you for having us here at the happy spot.
00:02:53.950 --> 00:02:58.720 Clementina Esposito: I'm going to get right to this interview, because I'm I'm just dying to dive into this.
00:02:58.920 --> 00:03:09.480 Clementina Esposito: So I think, Leanne, you and I agree that one of the most powerful things we can give ourselves and each other is the permission to show up fully as we are
00:03:09.870 --> 00:03:17.630 Clementina Esposito: to honor our lived experiences, find safe spaces where we're truly seen, and from there unlock
00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:20.460 Clementina Esposito: superpowers that make each of us unstoppable.
00:03:20.790 --> 00:03:37.499 Clementina Esposito: My guest today knows exactly how transformative that can be. Leanne Mcavoy is the co-founder and CEO of l. 2 cultural solutions where she helps organizations create cultures that do more than just function, they flourish. She's passionate about making sure people feel safe
00:03:37.700 --> 00:03:43.069 Clementina Esposito: to tell their stories, to connect to their self-awareness and uncover the strengths that have been there all along.
00:03:43.660 --> 00:03:59.669 Clementina Esposito: I'm Clementina Esposito, friend of the happy spot, and the founder of the Clementina Collective, where no one writes alone, everyone values the power of a well-told story, and ugly truths turn out beautiful in the end. I'm honored to be your host tonight, and delighted to be here with you, Leanne.
00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.929 Leanne McEvoy: I'm excited to be here. I'm happy to see where this conversation takes us.
00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:07.800 Clementina Esposito: I know me, too. I'm excited.
00:04:08.300 --> 00:04:23.099 Clementina Esposito: So, Leanne, let's start with a belief that I know that you and I both share right. We believe that when people feel safe and valued they can change their lives, their workplaces, and even the prosperity they pass down through generations.
00:04:23.380 --> 00:04:24.750 Leanne McEvoy: 100%.
00:04:24.750 --> 00:04:42.010 Clementina Esposito: 100% right? And so today, we're going to talk about how to make that happen. So I'm so glad you're here. Welcome welcome, and for our listeners hearing about L. 2 culture solutions for the 1st time. What do you want them to know?
00:04:43.630 --> 00:04:46.019 Leanne McEvoy: Oh, my goodness! So.
00:04:46.210 --> 00:04:49.070 Clementina Esposito: Like, go go real basic first, st you know, like.
00:04:49.070 --> 00:04:49.650 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah.
00:04:49.650 --> 00:04:53.370 Clementina Esposito: What is it if if I've never heard of L. 2. Culture solutions, what is it.
00:04:53.590 --> 00:05:07.439 Leanne McEvoy: We believe that employees should get the resources and tools that they actually need, as opposed to that one. Size fits all that most companies offer.
00:05:07.880 --> 00:05:27.859 Clementina Esposito: Great great. So and I I read on your I took a I took a peek, and I I've been reading up about you. So you're you know. You help. You help companies get all the things they want, all the things we hear about all the time to write cost savings, increase productivity, engagement, retention, roi. All that stuff right?
00:05:27.860 --> 00:05:28.580 Leanne McEvoy: Yes.
00:05:28.580 --> 00:05:34.700 Clementina Esposito: But there's 1 that really stuck out to me. And and that was innovation.
00:05:35.030 --> 00:05:36.379 Clementina Esposito: Did I get that right?
00:05:36.700 --> 00:05:37.680 Leanne McEvoy: 100%.
00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:44.099 Clementina Esposito: And am I going to get this right, too? That you get more innovation
00:05:44.290 --> 00:05:47.999 Clementina Esposito: by prioritizing trust as a core value?
00:05:49.860 --> 00:05:55.590 Leanne McEvoy: High Trust outperforms, Low Trust by a hundred 86%.
00:05:56.940 --> 00:06:02.919 Clementina Esposito: Jack's gonna love that it's a number 186%. And I think there's an 18 in there. Alright, alright!
00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:15.280 Leanne McEvoy: And you know what? When, when I talk with the C-suite, or people that are tied to money, they hear that 186%, and their eyes go like dollar signs.
00:06:15.460 --> 00:06:18.109 Leanne McEvoy: But when I talk with people
00:06:18.590 --> 00:06:26.200 Leanne McEvoy: that are in charge of human resources, chief people, officers, when they hear trust.
00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:34.980 Leanne McEvoy: It's almost like their shoulders start to relax some because they know that we understand the challenges
00:06:35.410 --> 00:06:39.250 Leanne McEvoy: that they've been having and that we want to help them build the solution.
00:06:39.790 --> 00:06:46.437 Clementina Esposito: Wow! Awesome. So so I'm gonna ask a hard question, cause that's just what I like to do. Bring it on
00:06:47.230 --> 00:06:56.530 Clementina Esposito: alright. So when? So where do you begin when trust is broken, non-existent, or rightfully withheld?
00:06:59.130 --> 00:07:02.260 Leanne McEvoy: So the greatest barrier to trust is fear.
00:07:03.440 --> 00:07:19.029 Leanne McEvoy: And when there are unresolved traumas, shame, lack of self-awareness, there is, there is a
00:07:19.200 --> 00:07:31.620 Leanne McEvoy: blatant lack of trust, and I started my career in the business world and sales. And it was all about relationship building. And I had amazing training. And I
00:07:32.370 --> 00:07:57.800 Leanne McEvoy: had really great mentors. So I I learned the power of relationship building which is about trust. Now, in corporate America, we know there's also a game aspect to it. So you you find the people that you want to work with that share values. And then I pivoted and moved into the the public sector and child welfare and juvenile justice, and
00:07:58.700 --> 00:08:05.529 Leanne McEvoy: I had a client say to me once, I'm sorry, but I don't trust white blonde women from Fairfield County.
00:08:06.270 --> 00:08:13.540 Leanne McEvoy: And because you have this Savior complex. And I said, I totally get it. I get it.
00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:23.070 Leanne McEvoy: We've sat around the same tables for a while. Now you've heard how I talk. You've heard how I present.
00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:40.969 Leanne McEvoy: Would you give me the opportunity to sit down and have breakfast, and by the end of the breakfast, he said, well, at least you restored my faith in one white blonde woman from Fairfield County, and said, Can I give you a hug. So it's time
00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:45.849 Leanne McEvoy: it's connecting. It's validating, it's listening, it's
00:08:46.470 --> 00:08:50.650 Leanne McEvoy: acknowledging. And it's it's that connection.
00:08:51.530 --> 00:08:59.860 Clementina Esposito: Nice nice in your vision statement you say you use lived experiences
00:09:00.270 --> 00:09:04.359 Clementina Esposito: as the benchmark for best workplace practices.
00:09:05.800 --> 00:09:06.320 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah.
00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:06.740 Clementina Esposito: More time.
00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:08.229 Clementina Esposito: How about that?
00:09:08.230 --> 00:09:16.669 Leanne McEvoy: And you know what? It's interesting. Because when we started on this journey in 2,022
00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:29.120 Leanne McEvoy: lived experiences were something that I was familiar with coming out of the public sector, but it's not a familiar term in the business world, and
00:09:30.550 --> 00:09:38.019 Leanne McEvoy: I used to interview salespeople, and they would talk to me about their education, and I would say, Okay, but who are you?
00:09:38.940 --> 00:09:56.159 Leanne McEvoy: Help me understand who we you are, because that's where I talk about when you can talk about your journey and things that have happened to you, I'm going to pull out the resilience, the perseverance, the frustration, the anger, the sadness, the grief.
00:09:57.290 --> 00:10:04.580 Leanne McEvoy: And when someone recognizes those feelings and they realize that they came through a difficult time.
00:10:04.810 --> 00:10:13.490 Leanne McEvoy: it's that skill set when you can show up at work as authentic, recognizing
00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:28.390 Leanne McEvoy: who you are and what you've been through. Yes, you've got the education, and yes, you've got the experience, but it's those, as some people call the soft skills. Those are those are the human skills that really make a person.
00:10:30.530 --> 00:10:41.529 Clementina Esposito: Yeah, it's so interesting that you say that. I was at a the book show today in Manhattan, and some of the the biggest
00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:46.409 Clementina Esposito: top. 5 publishing companies were there on the panel.
00:10:47.070 --> 00:10:50.349 Clementina Esposito: and you know they were they were talking about. You know
00:10:50.510 --> 00:11:01.669 Clementina Esposito: what they you know that marketing is like the Wild West right now. But what was really funny was these, you know, like the cream of the crop, Ceos going, you know.
00:11:01.670 --> 00:11:25.999 Clementina Esposito: and weirdly, some of these influencers, you know, they just like face to camera, totally authentic, and they're killing it, you know. And you know, they were saying how there is no no, you know they're not as polished as they would expect, you know. So it's interesting. We're an interesting time. So there's there's
00:11:26.050 --> 00:11:28.820 Clementina Esposito: we just have a minute to break
00:11:29.341 --> 00:11:54.268 Clementina Esposito: so I'm gonna hold my next question until after the break. But yes, I I think what I hear you saying is something very similar which is that the old ways of even even in corporate environments coming up, you know, uber buttoned up uber uber armored up, and thinking that
00:11:55.010 --> 00:12:04.050 Clementina Esposito: You know our grief and our joys and our ourselves outside the office are something we can't bring to work.
00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:07.560 Leanne McEvoy: And you miss out on the magic.
00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:08.400 Clementina Esposito: Yeah.
00:12:08.550 --> 00:12:10.610 Leanne McEvoy: With that because we're human.
00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:12.450 Clementina Esposito: Yup! Yup!
00:12:12.450 --> 00:12:14.640 Leanne McEvoy: Human, so.
00:12:16.214 --> 00:12:29.320 Clementina Esposito: Awesome. So I I think, we're gonna be going to break very shortly. But when we come back I'm going to be asking you if there are any lived experiences. That are off limits
00:12:29.470 --> 00:12:33.466 Clementina Esposito: as far as you're concerned in your in your
00:12:34.890 --> 00:12:35.900 Leanne McEvoy: Good question.
00:12:35.900 --> 00:12:37.200 Clementina Esposito: Yeah. Okay.
00:12:37.760 --> 00:12:39.430 Clementina Esposito: Alright. Awesome.
00:14:12.210 --> 00:14:13.819 Clementina Esposito: And we're back.
00:14:14.050 --> 00:14:28.489 Clementina Esposito: Thank you for unmuting yourself, Leanne. So okay, I can hardly wait to hear what you're going to say. So. Are there any lived experiences that are off limits as far as you're concerned, in a corporate culture?
00:14:31.030 --> 00:14:32.609 Leanne McEvoy: It's a slippery slope.
00:14:33.995 --> 00:14:35.200 Leanne McEvoy: And
00:14:35.420 --> 00:14:43.439 Leanne McEvoy: I have a master's in social work. So I have that level of training, and I've worked in child welfare
00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:54.390 Leanne McEvoy: with abuse and neglect. So I'm very sensitive to retraumatization, but also multi-generational trauma. And
00:14:55.840 --> 00:15:11.120 Leanne McEvoy: I think there's there's a way to have a a heartfelt conversation without saying what the specific experience was, but just saying that there was ex an experience.
00:15:11.420 --> 00:15:12.760 Leanne McEvoy: And.
00:15:13.490 --> 00:15:28.169 Leanne McEvoy: as we've, you know, done a lot of our research, and I've met with people from all backgrounds, all walks of life, from all around the globe. And when I get through kind of our deck and showing our demo.
00:15:28.640 --> 00:15:34.549 Leanne McEvoy: I will always say to people, you know, based on your own personal and professional experiences.
00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:38.880 Leanne McEvoy: what have you needed over the course of your lifetime that you haven't gotten.
00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:47.139 Leanne McEvoy: and I would say 90 to 95% of the time. People will say, no one has ever asked me what I needed.
00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:48.770 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:15:48.770 --> 00:15:58.239 Leanne McEvoy: And you know there are levels of trauma that it really should be a professional that is unpacking that.
00:15:58.920 --> 00:16:01.109 Leanne McEvoy: But what should be safe
00:16:02.170 --> 00:16:09.559 Leanne McEvoy: is for an employee to go to their manager or their Hr. Department and say.
00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:13.209 Leanne McEvoy: I have something personal going on.
00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.600 Leanne McEvoy: and I need some extra support.
00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:16.610 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:16:16.610 --> 00:16:17.830 Leanne McEvoy: And
00:16:19.030 --> 00:16:34.020 Leanne McEvoy: it's not always the case in every company, and that goes to trust. And it goes from the top down when you have leadership that prioritizes trust as a core business value.
00:16:34.380 --> 00:16:40.720 Leanne McEvoy: and they prove themselves to be trustworthy. It shifts the culture of a company.
00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:47.460 Leanne McEvoy: It shifts how people show up, it shifts how people engage, and
00:16:47.580 --> 00:16:52.800 Leanne McEvoy: when you ask people what they need, and you give it to them.
00:16:53.530 --> 00:16:55.590 Leanne McEvoy: They are loyal for life.
00:16:57.190 --> 00:17:07.430 Leanne McEvoy: It's relationship building. It's like a friendship. And you and I are developing a friendship. If I did something to betray you, you're not going to trust me.
00:17:07.869 --> 00:17:12.389 Leanne McEvoy: Same in business. It's it it.
00:17:13.059 --> 00:17:34.559 Leanne McEvoy: I hate to say it's not rocket science, but it's not rocket science, but I also have a lot of human behavior education. So I am fascinated by it, and we just came through. A pandemic leadership is not trained to manage through a crisis. And it became. We have to do whatever we have to do to keep going.
00:17:35.139 --> 00:17:36.389 Leanne McEvoy: and
00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:48.319 Leanne McEvoy: we are very intentional about prioritizing trust. And our tagline is because you matter, and we care when people feel that they matter
00:17:48.479 --> 00:17:53.469 Leanne McEvoy: and that their companies care about them again, you will get
00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.899 Leanne McEvoy: a hundred 10% when they show up to do their job.
00:17:57.180 --> 00:18:19.389 Clementina Esposito: Yeah, it's interesting, like you say, I mean, we know we know, you know from Dale Carnegie. You know how to how to win friends and influence people to. You know, love is the killer app, right? We? We have these very basic. You know, it's like, Oh, yeah, business is just like life. And then yet, you know, we very quickly realize, you know, without trust
00:18:19.470 --> 00:18:45.750 Clementina Esposito: in a relationship. There's no, there's no. There's no healthy growth right in a personal relationship. We know that. And yet at work. Right? It seems like this is something that is so needed. To talk about. You know, this core value right? It's like it's taken for granted that we, you know, to to do business with people. We have to trust them. And yet there are so many people walking around.
00:18:46.020 --> 00:18:52.069 Clementina Esposito: you know, that that don't feel safe enough to trust the people that they work with or for right.
00:18:52.070 --> 00:18:59.849 Leanne McEvoy: And there's it. It stems from a fear it stems from an unaddressed trauma.
00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:04.370 Leanne McEvoy: And when you think of toxic leaders.
00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:14.119 Leanne McEvoy: someone hurt them at some point, or they were raised to be a certain way, and you had to be hard and cold, and
00:19:14.230 --> 00:19:19.310 Leanne McEvoy: that was how you were going to be successful, and in my early career
00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:25.370 Leanne McEvoy: I was ruthless at times I fully admit it, and
00:19:25.710 --> 00:19:36.330 Leanne McEvoy: because I was raised you go to college, you get a job. You make a lot of money, and you're happy. And I did those things. But that level of happiness that I was so desperately seeking
00:19:36.760 --> 00:19:58.860 Leanne McEvoy: didn't come with more money. It didn't come with a bigger title. It only really started to come when I became a volunteer mentor, and I started learning about other people and other people's lives, and it opened up my world to then ultimately build a connection with my authentic self took a long time, but I got there.
00:19:59.140 --> 00:20:08.330 Clementina Esposito: Yeah. So this is a beautiful segue into the next thing I was gonna ask you, which is, you know, why are lived experiences so important to happiness and well-being.
00:20:13.450 --> 00:20:15.700 Leanne McEvoy: At the foundation.
00:20:17.860 --> 00:20:25.549 Leanne McEvoy: You know we're taught to love our parents. We're taught to love and treat others as we want to be treated.
00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:35.260 Leanne McEvoy: and I was desperate for that unconditional love, and I looked for it in all the wrong places, and
00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:40.290 Leanne McEvoy: it was only when I learned to unconditionally love and accept myself.
00:20:41.065 --> 00:20:45.160 Leanne McEvoy: That I went through this transformation, and
00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:52.670 Leanne McEvoy: I made a lot of mistakes. I was a wild child. I had a lot of fun.
00:20:54.060 --> 00:20:57.839 Leanne McEvoy: but it was because I was desperately seeking that attention.
00:20:57.950 --> 00:21:07.960 Leanne McEvoy: And those lived experiences and those hardships that I went through
00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:17.670 Leanne McEvoy: have made me who I am today. And it's also really what brought me and Dr. Lori Kinese together. My business partner.
00:21:19.010 --> 00:21:21.760 Leanne McEvoy: Neither of us wanted to go back to corporate.
00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:27.689 Leanne McEvoy: We wanted to do something to help humanity. And
00:21:27.890 --> 00:21:35.809 Leanne McEvoy: she's a career CIO, and then decided to get her doctorate in organizational leadership. So we both have that human behavior component.
00:21:35.940 --> 00:21:38.400 Leanne McEvoy: And we started talking about what's wrong
00:21:38.540 --> 00:21:45.139 Leanne McEvoy: with corporate America? What do they need that they're not getting. And we're building it. We're gonna fill the void.
00:21:45.280 --> 00:21:51.469 Leanne McEvoy: And when you tap into someone's lived experiences like when you and I talk for the 1st time
00:21:52.300 --> 00:21:57.340 Leanne McEvoy: it was automatically a safe space, because we were introduced by Jack.
00:21:57.630 --> 00:22:01.939 Leanne McEvoy: I met Jack through the octopus movement, so there was common ground.
00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:16.189 Leanne McEvoy: But if I had a fear and I didn't have my own self awareness and my own self confidence, I could not have shown up as my authentic self. I would have been afraid about what you would think about what
00:22:17.850 --> 00:22:20.859 Leanne McEvoy: anything that I would say, is it right or wrong?
00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:23.030 Leanne McEvoy: But I've done the work.
00:22:23.260 --> 00:22:37.079 Leanne McEvoy: I've been the people pleaser. I've been the person to say what I thought the other person wanted to hear, but I was the one that was hurt the most in doing that. And so
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:51.416 Leanne McEvoy: I think about the lives and the people that I've worked in the nonprofit world and even former salespeople. I had one that I caught up with a couple of years ago, and we worked together in the late nineties to date myself.
00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.600 Leanne McEvoy: And he said, You know the greatest gift you gave me as a manager was time.
00:22:57.280 --> 00:23:00.679 Leanne McEvoy: You always took the time to listen.
00:23:04.390 --> 00:23:17.339 Leanne McEvoy: That's the greatest compliment, and I was also not as vulnerable back then because I had my own fears.
00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.620 Leanne McEvoy: But now the culture that we're building
00:23:22.370 --> 00:23:37.890 Leanne McEvoy: our values. Be truthful and honest, always be brainstorming. Everyone gets a say, Know your worth, focus with fun, inspire those around you. We're not just building this company to help others. We are building what we're selling.
00:23:38.820 --> 00:23:41.770 Clementina Esposito: You're building the world that you want to live in.
00:23:41.770 --> 00:23:42.330 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah.
00:23:42.330 --> 00:23:56.520 Clementina Esposito: Essentially, that's amazing. I think we're coming up on another break. And so but when we get back I know that you and I talked about being black sheep
00:23:56.967 --> 00:24:19.550 Clementina Esposito: and so I I think you know, in this middle middle segment, when we come back I'd love to talk a little bit about that and I'll I'll share with our readers what that is. Why, why, I think it's important, and why I'm excited to talk about it with you later. So so I think we're just about ready for break.
00:25:41.550 --> 00:26:07.480 Clementina Esposito: All right, and we're back. So for our listeners, who for whom this term might be new black sheep of the family, I know it gets tossed around a lot. And really it, you know, it comes from pastoral times, right? When there was one. Usually one sheep born with black wool in a flock of white sheep, and thought to be undesirable because that wool couldn't be dyed
00:26:08.196 --> 00:26:17.310 Clementina Esposito: so it became shorthand for a person who's considered odd, rebellious, disgraced, or fundamentally different from their family
00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:21.550 Clementina Esposito: by behaviors, values, or life choices.
00:26:22.311 --> 00:26:32.699 Clementina Esposito: So the the black sheep of the family is often the one who challenges family norms.
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.860 Clementina Esposito: refuses to uphold unspoken family roles.
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:43.159 Clementina Esposito: carries, or is assigned the burden of the family's unresolved dysfunction.
00:26:43.410 --> 00:26:47.790 Clementina Esposito: or is blamed, alienated, or shamed for their difference.
00:26:48.360 --> 00:27:01.820 Clementina Esposito: and but often they are also the truth tellers, the pattern breakers and the cycle enders, and they have these unbelievable strengths if they
00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:11.040 Clementina Esposito: meet their destiny head on right. They they have higher resilience, they have greater self-awareness.
00:27:11.370 --> 00:27:19.900 Clementina Esposito: they have more creative thinking, and they have the ability to break general cycles of trauma, addiction and dysfunction.
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:34.040 Clementina Esposito: And research shows that they often go on to build chosen families, unique careers or countercultural communities.
00:27:34.250 --> 00:27:44.090 Clementina Esposito: So I guess the question that I wanted to ask you is, you know why you, Leanne? Why are why are you the founder
00:27:44.370 --> 00:27:47.860 Clementina Esposito: of L. 2 cultures and.
00:27:53.670 --> 00:28:05.190 Leanne McEvoy: over the course of my career, and because of some lived experiences I have had to reinvent myself, and
00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:16.140 Leanne McEvoy: I am a nonlinear thinker I. If someone makes one statement, I
00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:24.710 Leanne McEvoy: send that off into 25 different directions with different outcomes for each of those thoughts. So
00:28:26.300 --> 00:28:38.570 Leanne McEvoy: I'm a systems thinker. And in business. It was, of course, business systems. And then public sector. It's it's public systems and assessing how they work
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:48.200 Leanne McEvoy: and wanting to figure out a way for them to work better. And so everybody can thrive. And
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:56.490 Leanne McEvoy: it's a challenge of the status quo it's not accepting, because this is how we've always done it.
00:28:57.100 --> 00:29:04.379 Leanne McEvoy: And until I moved to Connecticut, which is where I now live, and have lived for 23 years.
00:29:04.620 --> 00:29:07.689 Leanne McEvoy: I moved every 6 years of my life
00:29:09.380 --> 00:29:14.849 Leanne McEvoy: that would scare a lot of people, but it made me very comfortable with change.
00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:19.310 Leanne McEvoy: And change is imminent.
00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:28.800 Leanne McEvoy: It's coming. You're either going to be prepared for it or you're not. And I have always been proactive
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:35.129 Leanne McEvoy: and wanting to make suggestions. Well, if we do it this way, what about if we tried it this way?
00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:43.169 Leanne McEvoy: And I've been told, no, you can't do that. And when someone says, No, you can't do that.
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.740 Leanne McEvoy: have to prove them wrong.
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:50.030 Clementina Esposito: Right, because not all triggers are bad triggers. Right?
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:52.029 Leanne McEvoy: And it's.
00:29:52.170 --> 00:30:02.609 Leanne McEvoy: you know, we had a a meeting with some really senior people at one of the Big 5 consulting firms, and
00:30:04.410 --> 00:30:16.500 Leanne McEvoy: there was a an understanding of what it is that we're doing. But they're like, this is change management on a monumental scale. And I said, it is.
00:30:17.300 --> 00:30:26.950 Leanne McEvoy: And it's necessary, and it's long overdue, and businesses have a mindset.
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:34.040 Leanne McEvoy: Academia has a mindset. Public sector has a mindset.
00:30:34.470 --> 00:30:42.300 Leanne McEvoy: and because I've had such a nonlinear career, I can draw on lived and professional experiences
00:30:42.470 --> 00:30:55.779 Leanne McEvoy: that make me uniquely qualified to say I understand what the problem is. I know there's no solution out there, because legally companies can't ask the questions that we're asking.
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:05.609 Leanne McEvoy: and we want to challenge the status quo. It is transformational change. And I had a doctor say to me.
00:31:06.540 --> 00:31:14.330 Leanne McEvoy: This is the 1st kind of data that I've seen that could truly have an impact on healthcare as we know it, and
00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:23.930 Leanne McEvoy: it is from meeting thousands of people hearing their journeys, hearing their challenges, understanding the barriers
00:31:24.860 --> 00:31:26.960 Leanne McEvoy: and the current systems.
00:31:27.100 --> 00:31:31.729 Leanne McEvoy: Sure, they scratch the service and they help solve some of the problems.
00:31:31.850 --> 00:31:37.090 Leanne McEvoy: But let's figure out a way to all work together and solve more, so that
00:31:38.520 --> 00:31:46.770 Leanne McEvoy: people are happier, people live more productive lives. People enjoy
00:31:47.250 --> 00:31:59.129 Leanne McEvoy: getting up every day, and when you make a difference in someone, live someone's life, and they share that difference. It feeds your soul.
00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:21.450 Leanne McEvoy: And I have so much of that feeding me, and I said it on a call earlier where we're at with L 2 right now. It was the the pot on the stove was cold, then it was warm. Then it was a low boil. It is at a fever pitch boil, and the lids about to blow off. That's how exciting.
00:32:22.090 --> 00:32:29.290 Leanne McEvoy: Things are right now with L. 2. It's it's and it perseverance
00:32:29.490 --> 00:32:40.860 Leanne McEvoy: and unconditional support of me and Lori for what we're building and finding advisors that believe in us. And we've said, Listen, we're women.
00:32:41.740 --> 00:32:51.599 Leanne McEvoy: We don't come out of Stanford and Harvard. Women founders get less, and minority founders get less than 1% of venture capitalists venture capital.
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:59.450 Leanne McEvoy: We have to work harder. We have to work smarter. And I am a mad networker, and
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:08.959 Leanne McEvoy: it's not just win win. It's win win for the people that we're partnering with and learning from. And
00:33:11.850 --> 00:33:19.820 Leanne McEvoy: we are the change, I used to say in my nonprofit days. Be the change you want to see in the world. But now, I say, we are the change.
00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:26.930 Clementina Esposito: That's amazing. That's amazing. So I do. I hear you. I think that I think there's something that goes on in those
00:33:27.090 --> 00:33:34.540 Clementina Esposito: in those testing grounds when we're born into places where we don't necessarily fit in
00:33:35.143 --> 00:33:53.050 Clementina Esposito: and after a time, right? And you know, I it's just occurring to me now, actually, during our talk, that you know what what we have in common is. You know our friends at the octopus movement, and even how how literally, you know the the
00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:20.639 Clementina Esposito: you know, I started the definition with saying, you know that maybe the black sheep doesn't fit in because of the way it chooses to live, or they're fundamentally different. And so I think we're learning now, you know, more so than ever before that people's brains work differently and right, and that could have been something in our early life like our brains, work differently. You know, that
00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:44.490 Clementina Esposito: drove the people around us crazy or made us different, so to speak, right. And it's just literally it's the way our brains work right? And so. But I think that over time, when we realize, you know, we have to realize it 1st inside ourselves, with that self-awareness right? We have to be like, wait a minute. I'm not.
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.559 Clementina Esposito: you know, all the things they might say.
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:48.769 Clementina Esposito: I am
00:34:48.810 --> 00:35:17.390 Clementina Esposito: right. I'm not, you know, too much or overly dramatic, or I mean, I'm speaking the ones that I got told all the time. Right? You know. You know you have a fresh head, my father used to say, and you know you have a friend like it was a bad thing. Yeah, I have a fresh head. I'm I create ideas all the time that other people can't even think of if they wanted to. Right and so it's having to be like. Wait.
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.949 Clementina Esposito: what you say about me isn't right. What else isn't right?
00:35:21.650 --> 00:35:44.609 Clementina Esposito: Right? What else? And and so and I think that's where right that creativity and that that kind of little by little, you know, when we find our people, when we find other people like us. And we and we start testing out our theories and we get good results back. And we're like, Oh, my, gosh, wait a minute. Right?
00:35:45.051 --> 00:35:56.079 Clementina Esposito: So? Yeah. So I think that that's that's what I'm hearing you say, right? Is that you know, you started with self awareness.
00:35:56.774 --> 00:36:10.125 Clementina Esposito: And you started taking that out, you know, into the world. And and that that's so. That's so amazing. So talk a little bit about
00:36:10.980 --> 00:36:12.040 Clementina Esposito: you know
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:20.989 Clementina Esposito: what kind of leader you are! How would you describe you? I know this is going to be a hard one. How would you describe yourself as a leader?
00:36:23.780 --> 00:36:31.719 Leanne McEvoy: I have evolved over the course of my career, and
00:36:32.190 --> 00:36:34.420 Leanne McEvoy: you know one of the women
00:36:34.700 --> 00:36:49.900 Leanne McEvoy: that's helping us with with sales and marketing. I worked with her years ago in in San Francisco, and I called her up a couple of years ago. And I'm like, Hey, this is what I'm working on, and I didn't even finish my sentence. And she was like, I'm in.
00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:53.850 Leanne McEvoy: I want to be part of it, and
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.920 Leanne McEvoy: I am a leader that empowers
00:37:00.720 --> 00:37:13.619 Leanne McEvoy: because it's not just me. It's all of us. We are building a company. We are going to work through this problem. We are going to solve it. And
00:37:15.370 --> 00:37:21.720 Leanne McEvoy: I would always say, because I did. A lot of sales training don't ever come to me with a problem
00:37:22.020 --> 00:37:29.979 Leanne McEvoy: without a recommended solution, because it forced critical thinking. You have to be able to understand.
00:37:30.490 --> 00:37:34.539 Leanne McEvoy: to then be able solve a problem. And
00:37:36.220 --> 00:37:39.979 Leanne McEvoy: I am a leader that wants to be challenged.
00:37:39.980 --> 00:37:40.950 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:37:40.950 --> 00:37:42.779 Leanne McEvoy: Am not always right.
00:37:43.290 --> 00:37:52.499 Leanne McEvoy: I know what I know, and I know what I don't know, and I will never pretend to know something that I don't. And I have learned at this level
00:37:54.270 --> 00:38:05.648 Leanne McEvoy: sometimes that scares people because there's the perception that the CEO always needs to be the smartest. They need to know everything, and one of our advisors,
00:38:06.530 --> 00:38:13.679 Leanne McEvoy: said to me, it takes great strength as a CEO to say something like that.
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:14.740 Clementina Esposito: Yeah.
00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:22.910 Leanne McEvoy: And I I know I'm not for everybody. I don't have to be liked by everybody, and
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:33.139 Leanne McEvoy: because I love me I'm comfortable with me, and what I put out into the universe is what I attract.
00:38:33.250 --> 00:38:42.129 Leanne McEvoy: So I've had venture capital people in the 1st 2 min of a call. Show me your deck.
00:38:43.350 --> 00:38:50.689 Leanne McEvoy: and I'm like, unless you and I can find some common ground. I'm not going to show you our deck, and that
00:38:51.670 --> 00:38:53.219 Leanne McEvoy: throws people off.
00:38:53.390 --> 00:38:54.470 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:38:54.470 --> 00:39:01.470 Leanne McEvoy: And I would rather be intentional, and
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:11.940 Leanne McEvoy: know that the other person and I share some common ground, and you know we had a a call earlier with a gentleman.
00:39:13.660 --> 00:39:19.560 Leanne McEvoy: He just showed up as as who he is, and it was because the person that brought us together
00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:28.800 Leanne McEvoy: has those same values, and there wasn't ego and arrogance in the room. It was.
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.639 Leanne McEvoy: we are for human beings that
00:39:33.190 --> 00:39:47.060 Leanne McEvoy: want to be servant leaders and make the world a better place and have varying degrees of business experience. Let's explore how we might help each other, and that co-creation.
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.219 Leanne McEvoy: those types of partnerships come from being a safe space.
00:39:55.650 --> 00:39:56.620 Leanne McEvoy: And it.
00:39:57.430 --> 00:40:02.770 Leanne McEvoy: It's the beauty of unlocking human potential. And
00:40:04.110 --> 00:40:14.398 Leanne McEvoy: I remember talking with people from you know the Big Ivy League Universities, and I would call my Castleton State College friends and be like we talk differently than they do.
00:40:16.200 --> 00:40:25.082 Leanne McEvoy: I don't have all the big words. I'm me, and we do have fun, but we work really hard.
00:40:25.750 --> 00:40:29.470 Leanne McEvoy: and it's it's about making a difference. So
00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:37.480 Leanne McEvoy: back to your question, I'm a leader that empowers and works with people.
00:40:39.100 --> 00:40:52.600 Clementina Esposito: Awesome. I I love that, and that's and we're going to go to break. But that's another recurring motif. Today. I'm just so glad to see. You know, leaders that are encouraging. I know when I was younger
00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:57.390 Clementina Esposito: and in a couple of corporate different corporate environments.
00:40:58.460 --> 00:41:24.039 Clementina Esposito: you know, I just walk, or I'm like a walking challenge to people, and especially authority. And that definitely was, you know, one of my my challenges at work. So I'm glad to see that. You know things are changing, and I'm so grateful for the work that you do. And when we come back we're going to talk more about connection. But we're going to go to break right now and thank you so much.
00:41:24.040 --> 00:41:24.860 Leanne McEvoy: Awesome.
00:42:57.850 --> 00:43:02.490 Clementina Esposito: All right. Hello! Hello! Hello! Hello! I'm here with Leanne Mckevoy.
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.969 Clementina Esposito: Am I saying that right? How do you pronounce? How do you say your last name.
00:43:05.970 --> 00:43:07.020 Leanne McEvoy: Mcavoy.
00:43:07.020 --> 00:43:19.658 Clementina Esposito: Mcavoy. Even though it's just a little mc, little Mc. There. Oh, gosh! This is such a great conversation! So in our in our correspondence.
00:43:20.770 --> 00:43:24.130 Clementina Esposito: recent. In our recent correspondence.
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:34.289 Clementina Esposito: You you know you talked about you you mentioned, you know, a lot of what you've been talking about. You know your your shift towards people
00:43:34.290 --> 00:43:58.249 Clementina Esposito: really is how you described it. You know is is, you know, moving towards people. And now I understand that that's away from some of the other things you mentioned, you know, chasing success like so many people when they realize. Wait, that's not where it's at right like success in terms of you know. Get the job, make the money all the things right, get the status, climb the ladder.
00:43:58.832 --> 00:44:03.537 Clementina Esposito: And so you're turning towards people and authenticity. And
00:44:04.810 --> 00:44:12.469 Clementina Esposito: I mean as much as I'm a huge fan of of authenticity. I think the word is so used now.
00:44:12.964 --> 00:44:27.509 Clementina Esposito: That it's it's like, sometimes I think we have to stop and and ask what it really means. And you said something else you mentioned. You said, you're an empowering leader, and and part of what you want to empower
00:44:27.690 --> 00:44:40.439 Clementina Esposito: people to do is to find their authentic selves. And then you, you quoted Brene Brown, and you said that you were struck by something, she said, and that was that if we can't connect to ourselves
00:44:40.915 --> 00:45:04.394 Clementina Esposito: we can't connect with others. So I guess this is really like at the heart of what this is about for you, right? And I and I. And I'm I'm calling a spotlight to this, because, you know, you also mentioned, you know, women in business, and that we, you know we don't get perhaps as much money at, you know, from founders. And and you know,
00:45:04.740 --> 00:45:32.410 Clementina Esposito: yeah, I mean, a couple of years ago I had a project with an angel investor, and I was invited to quite a few things with angel investors, and I was often the only woman in the room, and I was like, Oh, my gosh! It's like at this late year. You know we're in the 2,020 s. Like, I can't. You know it's hard to believe there are even still rooms where, you know, there's only one woman, but it's it's true.
00:45:32.410 --> 00:45:40.350 Clementina Esposito: right? And then there's there's also there's also something, you know.
00:45:40.590 --> 00:45:52.300 Clementina Esposito: that I know definitely happens in my in my field. Which is that there are still these powerful forces that be that
00:45:53.530 --> 00:46:06.470 Clementina Esposito: you know. Put down the the very strength that that women bring to the table. You know. They'll accuse, you know women of writing domestically, or navel gazing, you know, as if
00:46:07.826 --> 00:46:09.840 Clementina Esposito: self awareness
00:46:11.160 --> 00:46:26.029 Clementina Esposito: is narcissistic, and it's it's it's almost the opposite right? So can you say more about that about if we can't connect with ourselves, we can't genuinely connect with others. I'd like to hear you. You know, Riff, on that a little bit.
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:37.340 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah, powerful stuff by Brene Brown, and if I had heard
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:45.569 Leanne McEvoy: the if you can't connect with yourself, you can't connect with others. When I was in my twenties and thirties.
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:49.309 Leanne McEvoy: I would have said, Oh, no, I'm
00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:52.930 Leanne McEvoy: way better at connecting with others.
00:46:53.330 --> 00:46:56.769 Leanne McEvoy: but the way that I connected with others
00:46:57.240 --> 00:47:01.229 Leanne McEvoy: would be, how I thought they wanted me to connect with them.
00:47:01.490 --> 00:47:06.650 Leanne McEvoy: so that I would be enough for them, and
00:47:09.200 --> 00:47:19.590 Leanne McEvoy: that was a a large part of my trauma, and and not feeling as though I was, I was ever enough. And
00:47:21.150 --> 00:47:30.119 Leanne McEvoy: it was when I finally figured out through some really tough situations.
00:47:31.550 --> 00:47:35.869 Leanne McEvoy: I gotta put my own oxygen mask on when you're on a plane like
00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:39.319 Leanne McEvoy: your own oxygen mask before you secure.
00:47:40.240 --> 00:47:44.810 Leanne McEvoy: And that was a big paradigm shift.
00:47:44.810 --> 00:47:45.540 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:56.940 Leanne McEvoy: And I wasn't just the safe space for others. I allowed others to be the safe space for me.
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:57.510 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:47:57.510 --> 00:47:59.660 Leanne McEvoy: Which made me vulnerable.
00:47:59.660 --> 00:48:00.010 Clementina Esposito: No.
00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:01.130 Leanne McEvoy: And
00:48:03.110 --> 00:48:09.980 Leanne McEvoy: I for a long time. They'll be like Leanne. You're really good at getting everybody else to talk, but you never share anything about.
00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:10.430 Clementina Esposito: Yeah, yeah.
00:48:10.430 --> 00:48:11.190 Leanne McEvoy: Himself, and.
00:48:11.850 --> 00:48:13.309 Leanne McEvoy: I never wanted to.
00:48:13.310 --> 00:48:14.130 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:48:14.130 --> 00:48:18.719 Leanne McEvoy: That was my own fear and my own shame. And
00:48:20.570 --> 00:48:26.430 Leanne McEvoy: it was really at age 50 that I started growing, going through this massive transfer.
00:48:26.430 --> 00:48:28.700 Clementina Esposito: Wow! Wow!
00:48:28.700 --> 00:48:29.880 Leanne McEvoy: And
00:48:32.510 --> 00:48:40.500 Leanne McEvoy: my college friends and I, that we've now known each other almost 40 years. They are my chosen family, and
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:47.129 Leanne McEvoy: we get together every Memorial Day and Labor Day, and we laugh, and our kids. And
00:48:48.120 --> 00:48:59.390 Leanne McEvoy: it's a no judgment zone. Show up as you are. And I think a lot of companies and and leaders can say, we want you to show up as your authentic self.
00:49:00.470 --> 00:49:02.109 Leanne McEvoy: but it's performative.
00:49:02.110 --> 00:49:03.120 Clementina Esposito: Hmm.
00:49:03.120 --> 00:49:12.899 Leanne McEvoy: And because if someone is going to say, I want you to show up as your authentic self, and they don't, it's performative.
00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:14.060 Clementina Esposito: Hmm!
00:49:14.060 --> 00:49:16.749 Clementina Esposito: When we start that trust thing again right?
00:49:16.750 --> 00:49:17.360 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah.
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:18.320 Clementina Esposito: Right, yeah.
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:29.680 Leanne McEvoy: And we start hearing stories about leaders coming forward and saying, Yeah, I've struggled with depression.
00:49:31.750 --> 00:49:33.139 Leanne McEvoy: Hands go up
00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:39.660 Leanne McEvoy: around the room. Oh, my gosh! Well, if it's safe for them to say it, then it must be safe for me to say it.
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:46.599 Leanne McEvoy: And when people get that validation, it's magic.
00:49:46.600 --> 00:49:47.340 Clementina Esposito: Yeah.
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:52.389 Leanne McEvoy: You might not see it. But that feeling that someone has.
00:49:54.560 --> 00:50:03.600 Leanne McEvoy: it's almost indescribable. And in that moment, when that person felt safe enough, that's what the brain is going to remember.
00:50:03.790 --> 00:50:07.610 Leanne McEvoy: And it's gonna start to show up more. And now
00:50:08.140 --> 00:50:16.820 Leanne McEvoy: I know I'm too much for some people. I know that when I share some of my lived experiences it may make someone uncomfortable
00:50:17.010 --> 00:50:19.300 Leanne McEvoy: because they're not ready yet.
00:50:21.390 --> 00:50:31.119 Leanne McEvoy: But if in some way I've given them a glimmer of hope, into what life can be like when you start to share.
00:50:32.410 --> 00:50:35.450 Leanne McEvoy: that's the magic of what we're going to bring companies.
00:50:35.700 --> 00:50:52.224 Clementina Esposito: Yeah. And again it comes back to connection. Right? I I don't even know how it came up for me today. I was at lunch with 2 people I literally just met on the way to lunch at this book fair and
00:50:52.600 --> 00:51:12.329 Clementina Esposito: you know, we were having lunch together, and I don't know. And I was like, Yeah, well, I you know, I was just recently diagnosed with Adhd, you know, because I've always had it, you know it explains a lot about my life, you know, whatever. And have you? And you know I could see like, you know, there was like some, you know it was quiet, and you know I was like, whatever you know I mean.
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:19.920 Clementina Esposito: I didn't. I'm cool, you know. And then, after the one woman started asking me questions.
00:51:20.362 --> 00:51:28.489 Clementina Esposito: You know, when I was answering them, I'm like, actually, ever since I was diagnosed, and I've been more comfortable like saying it. It's it's improved
00:51:28.590 --> 00:51:39.615 Clementina Esposito: every single relationship in my life. Because I understand myself so much better, and things that used to drive people crazy about me. I can be like. I know what you're thinking.
00:51:40.310 --> 00:51:46.520 Clementina Esposito: I know you think I think I'm too good for that task. But actually, you don't want me to do that right
00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:48.700 Clementina Esposito: boring right? And the woman goes.
00:51:48.980 --> 00:51:50.859 Clementina Esposito: Wait, what do you mean? It's boring.
00:51:51.510 --> 00:52:01.989 Clementina Esposito: And I was like, Oh, well, you know you know, and I explained that, you know. The add, the add brain registers boredom as pain.
00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:24.969 Clementina Esposito: So naturally you would move away. She was like, what? Wait, really, there's brain time. I'm like, Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Then she started asking me all these questions, more questions, more questions, more questions, right? And how did you find all this out? And did you have a therapist? And did you read a book? And I'm like, you know, did you A, BCDE, F. And I was like all of the above, you know, and she was like, because my daughter has aid
00:52:24.970 --> 00:52:34.719 Clementina Esposito: right, and then all. And then there was the connection right to like. All of a sudden I became a lifeline to her better understanding
00:52:34.720 --> 00:52:53.610 Clementina Esposito: her daughter right, and even some of the things that she was saying about how she tries and fails to connect with her, you know. And I was like, Well, what about if you said this? What about if you tried that? And she was like, Oh, my God, right? So there was the real connection, right? So you know it's not.
00:52:53.610 --> 00:53:14.079 Clementina Esposito: you know. I'm bringing a couple of the elements of what you said together here by sharing, that is to say, right? It's like it's not just sharing for the purpose of sharing. It's about creating the space for not just being authentic for this, but but for creating authentic connection.
00:53:15.730 --> 00:53:23.870 Leanne McEvoy: And when you start building them you
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:40.580 Leanne McEvoy: you transform yourself. And it's like someone has given you permission to come into your own, and by helping companies learn this information. And and there's it's all anonymized.
00:53:41.770 --> 00:53:56.450 Leanne McEvoy: They're gonna start to get insight on what their employees are really dealing with and going to start helping them, and they are going to reap the rewards of of being the company
00:53:57.970 --> 00:54:03.950 Leanne McEvoy: that shows employees that they matter because they care and
00:54:04.080 --> 00:54:09.029 Leanne McEvoy: not everybody's going to care. Not everybody does. We're not out to help everybody.
00:54:11.100 --> 00:54:18.010 Leanne McEvoy: But it's almost like we're granting permission for someone to show up. We're green
00:54:19.140 --> 00:54:25.799 Leanne McEvoy: to for someone to say, this is what I need, and to make it safe to say that.
00:54:26.070 --> 00:54:29.299 Clementina Esposito: And is that your is that is that your superpower, Leanne.
00:54:29.740 --> 00:54:30.479 Leanne McEvoy: It is.
00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:32.189 Clementina Esposito: I'm a safe space.
00:54:32.990 --> 00:54:42.700 Clementina Esposito: That's so amazing. I love that. So I know we're we're we're we're like, almost out of time. And this is just been. Thank you for so much. It went like that.
00:54:42.700 --> 00:54:43.519 Leanne McEvoy: I am.
00:54:43.520 --> 00:54:53.460 Clementina Esposito: For sharing your heart and your wisdom and your vision with us today. It's conversations like this that remind us how powerful it is to create safety.
00:54:53.460 --> 00:55:00.940 Leanne McEvoy: Yeah, and I'm excited to explore how you and Jack and I might co-create whether it's under
00:55:01.770 --> 00:55:06.049 Leanne McEvoy: the octopus movement or something that has yet to begin.
00:55:06.050 --> 00:55:34.489 Clementina Esposito: Yeah, that's so exciting. So I know. I can't wait to be continued so I wanna thank you again for for being here and for for also, as you said, you know, in our 1st couple of conversations, you also created a safe space for me to be me and for doing that in in what you're doing, you know, creating spaces for people to feel safe, seen and supported. I know our listeners are walking away with not just inspiration, but
00:55:34.490 --> 00:55:45.075 Clementina Esposito: tangible ways to nurture their well-being and and build the a real kind of wealth right? That lasts for generations. So
00:55:46.310 --> 00:55:55.099 Clementina Esposito: yes, yeah, right? So my gosh, thank you for caring so deeply. And for being here with us.
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.859 Leanne McEvoy: Thanks for having me. It's been my my honor.
00:55:59.120 --> 00:55:59.670 Clementina Esposito: Yay!
00:55:59.670 --> 00:56:17.920 JACK THOMAS : Thank you, ladies, we're going to be breaking so great. And Leanne heard that. And so, Clementina, let's definitely make sure we talk later this week. Always good energy building off of what we have going on. Thank you, ladies. I wish everyone a great time. This is Jack Thomas from the happy spot.
00:56:18.100 --> 00:56:28.809 JACK THOMAS : If you have a business, you're looking for wellness, and you're looking to measure success. We're the company here to connect with the connections. Have a great evening. Everyone. Thank you.
00:56:29.370 --> 00:56:29.980 Clementina Esposito: Bye-bye.
00:56:29.980 --> 00:56:31.320 Leanne McEvoy: See you soon. Bye, bye.
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