This week’s "Serving Up Success with a Splash" podcast "Pimm’s & Perception – AI Doesn’t Exist" features hosts Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh the Strategy Doctor, Angie Snowball the Renaissance Woman, and Bruce Cramer the Corporate Cockroach unpacking the misconceptions and realities of Artificial Intelligence. The segment focuses on clarifying what AI is and is not, emphasizing its role as a tool for professional augmentation rather than autonomous intelligence. This episode will also highlight how AI supports experts like Angie and Bruce in marketing and leadership while blending real talk with real practices, and a real “Pimms” cocktail.
Cocktail of the Week – Pimm’s!
Pimm’s is a classic British summer drink, known for its refreshing, fruity flavor and association with garden parties and tennis matches like Wimbledon. The most iconic version is Pimm’s Cup (or Pimm’s No. 1 Cup).
Classic Pimm’s Cup Recipe:
Ingredients:
• 2 oz Pimm’s No. 1
• 4–6 oz lemonade (British-style sparkling lemonade or lemon-lime soda like Sprite in the US)
• Ice cubes
• Fresh fruit and herbs to garnish:
o Slices of cucumber
o Strawberries
o Orange slices
Instructions:
1. Fill a tall glass (or a large pitcher for a crowd) with ice.
2. Add Pimm’s No. 1.
3. Top with chilled lemonade.
4. Stir gently.
5. Garnish generously with cucumber, strawberries, citrus slices, and mint.
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In this lively and informative episode of Serving Up Success with a Splash, the hosts set the stage for an approachable yet insightful exploration of AI in business, emphasizing that what we currently call “AI” lacks true intelligence or cognition—but is still a powerful tool. Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh, Angie Snowball, and Bruce Cramer highlight how AI-driven tools like ChatGPT can significantly boost productivity by saving time, aiding organization, and expanding access to knowledge—while also cautioning against overreliance that could dull human skills. Business leaders are encouraged to adopt AI thoughtfully: not as a replacement for expertise, but as a time-saving power tool that enhances rather than replaces strategic thinking.
In this second segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, the hosts dive deeper into the role of AI as a force multiplier for professionals—highlighting how it empowers experts to move faster, work smarter, and deliver more value. Dr. Nawtej Dosanjh emphasizes that AI doesn’t replace expertise but augments it, enabling coaches, marketers, and other leaders to operate at previously impossible speeds—as long as they know how to ask the right questions. Framed as a transformational force on par with the Industrial and Agricultural Revolutions, AI is positioned not just as a tool of convenience, but as a critical driver of survival and success in the modern business era.
In this powerful segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, Angie Snowball and Bruce Cramer showcase real-world applications of AI tools across marketing, content creation, coaching, and business development—demonstrating how AI can serve as both creative collaborator and productivity powerhouse. Angie reveals her toolkit for leveraging AI to write, summarize, edit, and repurpose content across platforms, while Bruce emphasizes how AI amplifies his coaching practice with research, planning, and tone refinement—likening it to having a virtual team. Their message to business leaders is clear: AI is not just a tool, it’s a strategic advantage—but only when paired with expertise, intentionality, and thoughtful prompts.
In the final segment of Serving Up Success with a Splash, the hosts field listener questions about AI tools, emotional intelligence, and the future of artificial general intelligence—reinforcing that there's no one-size-fits-all tool, and success comes from choosing what aligns with your workflow and goals. Angie and Bruce underscore that AI can enhance creativity, streamline content production, and simulate emotional resonance, but only when paired with human insight and clear intent. The episode closes with encouragement to embrace AI one step at a time, stay curious, and engage with future conversations as this evolving technology reshapes how we work and lead.
00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:46.477 nawtej dosanjh: Hi, I think we're ready to go right. I'm
00:00:47.120 --> 00:01:06.220 nawtej dosanjh: I'm the strategy, doctor. Welcome to serving up success with a splash this week's episode. Pims and perception. AI doesn't exist, and to help me this week I've got the usual wonderful co-hosts. Angie Snowball, Renaissance woman! Hi, Angie! Hi
00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:11.150 nawtej dosanjh: and Bruce Kramer, the corporate cockroach. How are you doing, Bruce?
00:01:12.910 --> 00:01:28.030 nawtej dosanjh: We're gonna we're gonna talk about AI we're going to talk about misconceptions. We're going to talk about realities. We're going to try and make it simple. It's an introductory session. And if there's demand, we're going to have further sessions in weeks and months ahead.
00:01:28.300 --> 00:01:46.520 nawtej dosanjh: And we have Angie and Bruce talking about their real life, professional experiences using AI. It's real talk as usual. It's unrehearsed, and it's very, very, very unrehearsed, and you'll find out just how unrehearsed it is as we continue.
00:01:46.590 --> 00:02:00.640 nawtej dosanjh: But of course, the 1st thing we do is the cocktail. That's that's what we love about this this week's cocktail is pims. It's a British cocktail, and that's what I love about. I love pims. I love pims in the summer.
00:02:01.173 --> 00:02:14.230 nawtej dosanjh: It's the it's the 1st drink of the 1st sunny day in London, and Angie is going to take us through how to make a pims. But Angie, first, st before you tell us how to make it? I have a question for you.
00:02:14.380 --> 00:02:18.420 nawtej dosanjh: Why are you always making the drinks? Why can't Bruce and I do that?
00:02:19.420 --> 00:02:29.430 Angie Snowball: Well, I'm very good at this. Drinking's 1 of my favorite pastimes. I feel skilled and I'm equipped. I have all I'm going to use my fancy spoon today.
00:02:31.470 --> 00:02:31.990 nawtej dosanjh: Okay.
00:02:31.990 --> 00:02:32.539 Angie Snowball: All right.
00:02:32.540 --> 00:02:33.410 nawtej dosanjh: 10, are you ready?
00:02:33.410 --> 00:02:34.780 nawtej dosanjh: It works, yeah.
00:02:34.780 --> 00:02:37.569 Angie Snowball: Okay. So 1st thing you need is pims.
00:02:37.690 --> 00:03:00.449 Angie Snowball: If you're in the States, this is not easy to find. You might have to go to an international place or like a large liquor store, like if you're in the Cincinnati area like a party source air wine, something like that. So it's a gin based liqueur, and then not. I don't know what goes into it like herbs and stuff like. Why is it Brown? There's some other it says gin based. But it's really.
00:03:00.450 --> 00:03:01.000 nawtej dosanjh: Thank you. Guys.
00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:01.690 Angie Snowball: This is what it is.
00:03:01.690 --> 00:03:04.290 nawtej dosanjh: I'm just good at drinking it, not explaining what it is, so.
00:03:05.630 --> 00:03:34.909 Angie Snowball: The only reason I paid attention was this right? So it is usually served in a pitcher, so the recipe for a pitcher is 2 ounces of pims, 6 ounces of sparkling lemonade, or like a sprite, 7 up in the Us. I do put a little lemon juice in mind if I use sprite and ice cubes, I mean, that's basically it. And to make it super cool, that's when you slice all the fruits so you can do oranges, lemons, limes.
00:03:34.990 --> 00:03:41.590 Angie Snowball: strawberries. And I can ask you about this, too, Nataj, I kept saying, cucumbers, what's up with you guys and cucumbers. And
00:03:42.030 --> 00:03:42.970 Angie Snowball: that's weird.
00:03:42.970 --> 00:03:50.840 nawtej dosanjh: Cucumbers and oranges should go to a pims. I don't know what it would taste without it, but honestly, it just looks better with the cucumber and orange in there.
00:03:51.150 --> 00:04:10.269 Angie Snowball: I tried, I really did, and it just looked like I was mixing 2 things that shouldn't be mixed like that cucumber and orange just didn't look happy together. But anyway, I do have lots of fruit in mine. I went ahead and made it because it's again I would be messy, but we are going to use my fancy spoon. I was waiting to make something.
00:04:10.290 --> 00:04:22.870 Angie Snowball: but just mash it up real good. You don't have to muddle the fruit you just have to like. Stir it in there, and a lot of times they make this ahead of time so that you can let it sit.
00:04:23.790 --> 00:04:48.689 Angie Snowball: The juices go. I didn't even drink yet, and the juices go. You can also make these one at a time. So if you wanted to do that, that's what I did the other day, just to try it and make sure I had it. So you mix up those fruits. Apparently we really need a cucumber. I'm a little averse to putting the cucumber with my orange, but according to Tej, it's better, and it's really light. It's very fun and and summary. I still remember the 1st time I
00:04:48.690 --> 00:04:58.999 Angie Snowball: had it in London. It brings back great memories. It was like Nataj said, the 1st thing we did for summer, and to me it's always been the national British drink.
00:04:59.320 --> 00:05:06.159 Bruce Cramer: But but I notice you put the picture out of view. I think we ought to monitor.
00:05:08.500 --> 00:05:13.020 Angie Snowball: I think you don't have to, Bruce. It's birthday, Eve. I can drink the whole pitcher if I want.
00:05:13.020 --> 00:05:21.049 Bruce Cramer: That this is true, and I noticed you conveniently removed that from the picture.
00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:25.270 Angie Snowball: We're good back to you. Educate us.
00:05:25.470 --> 00:05:28.050 nawtej dosanjh: Angie. Happy happy birthday Eve to you.
00:05:28.700 --> 00:05:29.473 Angie Snowball: Thank you.
00:05:29.860 --> 00:05:35.199 Bruce Cramer: Happy birthday, and cheers to everyone that's joined us. We are so grateful. You're here.
00:05:35.460 --> 00:05:46.089 Angie Snowball: Yes, absolutely cheers everyone again. I hope you have your cocktail. If you don't like this one, choose something else. But as always, the more you drink, the more fun we are. Cheers.
00:05:47.930 --> 00:06:08.369 nawtej dosanjh: Okay, right? Let's let's talk about AI. We promised we were gonna do this an introductory session to AI before I make before I start. I wanna I wanna say that we do not. I do not. And we do not hold ourselves out as experts in
00:06:08.540 --> 00:06:12.520 nawtej dosanjh: AI in terms of computer science coding, programming.
00:06:12.730 --> 00:06:14.920 nawtej dosanjh: That's not what we're going to talk about.
00:06:15.410 --> 00:06:25.799 nawtej dosanjh: What we try and do is become experts in our field of expertise. We? We try to become expert in the use of AI
00:06:26.010 --> 00:06:35.079 nawtej dosanjh: in our field of expertise, and more about that later, all of us are going to talk about that, particularly Angie and Bruce. But here's how I'm going to start.
00:06:35.450 --> 00:06:37.689 nawtej dosanjh: There is no such thing as AI
00:06:39.460 --> 00:06:43.660 nawtej dosanjh: crazy, huh! We could. We're speaking. And we're talking about AI, and
00:06:43.930 --> 00:06:47.659 nawtej dosanjh: I'm starting by saying there's no such thing as AI.
00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:55.170 nawtej dosanjh: Well, there isn't. And this is because AI in its current form doesn't do any thinking.
00:06:56.630 --> 00:07:12.280 nawtej dosanjh: It doesn't do any reasoning, and it doesn't do any human cognition. So I just want to say, before we start cheers to the human brain, because the human brain does all these cognitive functions that AI can't do.
00:07:12.842 --> 00:07:15.580 Bruce Cramer: So why do we use the term AI.
00:07:15.880 --> 00:07:21.490 nawtej dosanjh: Lots of reasons which I won't bore you with, because we want to get on with the. We want to get on with the content. But
00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:44.220 nawtej dosanjh: there are people who believe that many people believe. In fact, maybe the great majority of people believe that we will get to true AI. Some people think it's going to take about 2 years, and some people think it's going to take about 1015 years. But almost everybody who is an expert in AI believes we are going to get there.
00:07:44.540 --> 00:07:49.209 nawtej dosanjh: And that's gonna be a profound change. So we're gonna talk about that right. But
00:07:49.640 --> 00:07:57.750 nawtej dosanjh: we're gonna carry on using the term AI, because it's in common usage, even though it doesn't exist right now.
00:07:57.930 --> 00:08:14.050 nawtej dosanjh: if you want to. What some people do is they make the distinction between AI in its current form and something called generalized AI generalized AI is where it becomes capable of human cognition.
00:08:14.880 --> 00:08:35.329 nawtej dosanjh: So with that out the way the 1st thing we're going to do is just define what AI is. And although it's just one thing, it's quite good to distinguish it into 2 components. The 1st is where we take large sets of data and we
00:08:35.789 --> 00:09:04.579 nawtej dosanjh: feed it into some AI algorithm. And we can get predictions from it. An example of that would be healthcare data. So health care data. If you if you feed in 70,000, 100,000, the data from 7,000 patients and the data is non-corrupted. It's good data we can get some prediction about, for example, who is at risk of diabetes, who, at risk of of
00:09:05.056 --> 00:09:15.450 nawtej dosanjh: heart disease. So of course, that would be powerful right. That would be super powerful to get for doctors to to get that. The second use of AI is
00:09:15.610 --> 00:09:18.469 nawtej dosanjh: where we use prompts and we get back.
00:09:19.510 --> 00:09:21.290 nawtej dosanjh: Video text.
00:09:23.130 --> 00:09:25.575 nawtej dosanjh: almost essay like.
00:09:26.390 --> 00:09:27.930 Angie Snowball: That call. That's the one I use.
00:09:28.430 --> 00:09:49.060 nawtej dosanjh: That's the one you use. That's that's large language models. And and there's Chat Gpt. There's Claude, there's Gemini. There's a whole host of of of different ones. And this is the I've got a question, Angie, for you and Bruce right now. But when we we got to this point, juncture of defining what it is.
00:09:49.250 --> 00:10:02.960 nawtej dosanjh: Angie, why don't we start with you? When did we? When did you start using it? Okay? And without going into what you're going to explain later. What have you noticed? Are the main benefits from using
00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:05.599 nawtej dosanjh: large language models.
00:10:06.290 --> 00:10:25.600 Angie Snowball: Well, I think the biggest benefit is time saving right? I know when I 1st started using it. When people started widely using it, I don't even remember. It's been a couple of years now, I think, but people came to me because a lot of what I do is writing and like, are you freaking out, are you? Gonna oh, my gosh! What are you going to do for your living? And I
00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:49.990 Angie Snowball: I 1st of all, I'm so glad you finally answered. AI doesn't exist. It bothered me all freaking week. I'm like, what the hell I'm using it every day. What the hell does that mean that makes total sense. Now, seriously, though, I was like every time like what the hell so that helps. But so what I do use every day saves me time, and I always liken it to like building a house. So if you're a construction dude and you're building a house.
00:10:49.990 --> 00:11:18.480 Angie Snowball: you're probably not going to use a screwdriver. If you've got power tools available right? Because it's going to save you time, it's more efficient. But at the same time you have to have the know-how of how to build a house like I can't just walk in with my power drill and build a house, because I don't know how to use that tool. So for me, that's what is the best time. It's time saving. It's a great tool for what I do that speeds up research and and some of the organization of what I do.
00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.770 nawtej dosanjh: Brilliant, Bruce. I've got 2 questions for you, if you don't mind.
00:11:23.010 --> 00:11:30.430 nawtej dosanjh: I've got firstly, firstly, and you get you, because obviously I think it saves time for you right to
00:11:30.590 --> 00:11:37.390 nawtej dosanjh: now. How much time I know you probably haven't thought about it, sat down and wrote down. But how much time does it save you?
00:11:37.730 --> 00:11:45.940 Bruce Cramer: You know, and that's a great, you know. I just got to say one thing. I wish this was around decades ago, when I was doing book reports at school.
00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.330 Angie Snowball: No kidding, no.
00:11:48.330 --> 00:11:49.340 Bruce Cramer: Talk about that later.
00:11:49.340 --> 00:12:01.019 Bruce Cramer: I can't imagine. And I'm gonna save some questions for you, Natesh, for later, because that kind of scares me. How easy you can increase your breadth of knowledge.
00:12:01.050 --> 00:12:21.079 Bruce Cramer: But you know it's a great question, and I would say that it cuts when I author something very similar to as Angie just explained. I like to get it down on paper, but I do run it through like Chat Gpt. You know, there's Google Gemini. There's a few products I use.
00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:25.350 Bruce Cramer: but I will say it cuts my time in half.
00:12:25.420 --> 00:12:39.879 Bruce Cramer: because it does 2 things for me. One, it usually helps with the organization of my thoughts. It gives me a different perspective. I don't accept it wholesale, but now I'm down to tweaking.
00:12:40.070 --> 00:13:08.660 Bruce Cramer: But the other thing it'll do, and, as you know, in the coaching business, we we have access to information like, there's no tomorrow. It also helps you, Streamline, how you're going to access the additional information. So I honestly believe you know, it reduces my time by about 50%. What would take me? An hour gets done in 30 min.
00:13:08.660 --> 00:13:09.160 Bruce Cramer: Okay.
00:13:09.160 --> 00:13:12.080 Bruce Cramer: And amazing. What scares me
00:13:12.570 --> 00:13:24.140 Bruce Cramer: is the idea that you don't have to put a lot of effort. And I worry about. Well, at the end of the day. Tools like this artificial intelligence, the irony
00:13:24.280 --> 00:13:43.499 Bruce Cramer: will actually dumb us down will be less intelligent because we can access so much so quick via these tools. And if you, if you didn't already author, and put your thoughts down on paper, this thing will render you an opinion.
00:13:43.620 --> 00:14:11.099 Bruce Cramer: And so you know, you know that that's the only thing that bothers me. But it's a huge productivity booster, and I would say for anyone out there not using it. You you got to get into the game because it will work against you, because this does increase your productivity 1st and foremost, but it also allows you to increase your knowledge on various items a lot quicker than you could in the past.
00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:31.929 Angie Snowball: And we still have to be careful with it right not to, because a lot of times the damn thing lies to me. And like I was writing for a sports guy. I don't know crap about hockey, so I had to send it to him, and he was like Angie. That's not even a hockey word. I was like Chat Gbt said it was so. It still lies to us. Sometimes you have to be careful when you're using it, too.
00:14:32.370 --> 00:14:40.880 nawtej dosanjh: So that that's an interesting thing, isn't it? Because essentially can help you? But if you're not an expert in
00:14:41.110 --> 00:14:49.600 nawtej dosanjh: the field in which you're using, for example, any large language model? You don't. You may not know how it's lying to you right.
00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:50.590 Angie Snowball: Right.
00:14:50.780 --> 00:14:51.679 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah, I didn't.
00:14:51.680 --> 00:15:05.219 nawtej dosanjh: That. That's that's something we gotta gotta think about. Bruce. Talked about you know. He's worried about dumbing it down, Angie, what do you think? Are you? Are you worried about us getting dumbed down in any way? And and why.
00:15:05.710 --> 00:15:28.619 Angie Snowball: I think so. I mean, even if you look at the beginning of spell check great like. For some reason my phone likes to think. I say, duck a lot. I do not say duck a lot, but I get a lot of corrected duck, but like it does, and like I speak German, too, but I can't really read or write it, but I can write text because it tells. It shows up for me halfway through. So
00:15:28.620 --> 00:15:38.220 Angie Snowball: there's a benefit to it there. But other ways you don't know how to spell things. I mean, people ask you all the time how to spell the silliest things I'm like. Are you kidding me? You don't know how to spell flounder
00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:42.919 Angie Snowball: like I don't know. I think there's a little fear that we got to use our brains.
00:15:44.130 --> 00:15:52.539 nawtej dosanjh: Very quickly, just before, just before we go to break a very short answer from each of you. When did you start using it, Angie?
00:15:52.870 --> 00:15:57.430 Angie Snowball: Geez! I don't know per year, probably 3 years ago, maybe, like I really.
00:15:57.430 --> 00:15:57.919 nawtej dosanjh: Thank you. Guys.
00:15:57.920 --> 00:15:58.460 Angie Snowball: This is.
00:15:58.990 --> 00:16:00.880 nawtej dosanjh: Okay. And Bruce.
00:16:01.420 --> 00:16:06.700 Bruce Cramer: You know, to say that I leveraged it day in and day out, probably 6 months ago.
00:16:07.390 --> 00:16:25.770 nawtej dosanjh: 6 months ago. Okay, okay? And you've noticed a difference. Well, I am looking forward to a second segment. We're about to go to break any second now. So we are going to leave you with some music, some commercials, and a final cheers before we.
00:16:25.770 --> 00:16:27.540 Bruce Cramer: Cheers, right perfect.
00:16:27.540 --> 00:16:27.989 Angie Snowball: Time to read.
00:16:27.990 --> 00:16:36.080 nawtej dosanjh: We will see you. We will see you very shortly. Please please stay with us. The music is just about to kick in. See you this soon.
00:18:23.060 --> 00:18:29.190 nawtej dosanjh: Welcome back. I was getting carried away with some minor movements. I didn't want to call it dancing just minor side to side.
00:18:29.470 --> 00:18:30.700 Angie Snowball: It's very pretty.
00:18:30.700 --> 00:19:00.199 nawtej dosanjh: I was going to say, it's very British. Well, my American friends, Angie and Bruce, were really good. They've got better hips than me, and it shows. Okay, let's get back. Let's get back to AI. We're going to call it AI. In the 1st segment we discussed the difference between current AI, and what some people are calling, generalized generalized AI in the future, which will be true cognitive thinking. AI.
00:19:00.950 --> 00:19:01.670 nawtej dosanjh: But.
00:19:01.670 --> 00:19:02.950 Bruce Cramer: Gary, Scary.
00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:05.170 Angie Snowball: Scarier. He's getting scarier.
00:19:05.170 --> 00:19:09.999 Angie Snowball: Kind of my Alexa. I'm kind of nice to her now, because scared of her.
00:19:10.570 --> 00:19:12.130 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah, stay. Nice. Stay nice.
00:19:13.104 --> 00:19:28.039 nawtej dosanjh: Okay. I want to talk about 2 things. The 1st thing I want to talk about. We touched about it in in the 1st session, and I've got a challenge for Bruce coming up cause he said something which where I'm gonna really challenge him. On. And
00:19:28.610 --> 00:19:37.339 nawtej dosanjh: so the power of AI, as far as I'm concerned, is that it augments the professional.
00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:42.660 nawtej dosanjh: It augments the expert. So if you're a lawyer
00:19:42.800 --> 00:20:12.729 nawtej dosanjh: and you use AI large language models for some to speed yourself up for additional information, for information about the legal system in another country. Fantastic. You're a lawyer, and you will understand what is being said. If you're if you're in marketing, like Angie, you know, use it for marketing, and it's going to give you information which you can decipher, you can decipher the the false from the from the truth.
00:20:13.550 --> 00:20:15.780 nawtej dosanjh: Whereas if you're not an expert.
00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:25.020 nawtej dosanjh: yeah, sure it may help if I give you some some stuff, but it's not a replacement for expertise in my view.
00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:32.879 nawtej dosanjh: Now, here's my challenge for Bruce before I move on to the next one. Bruce, you said that it speeds you up by about
00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:39.839 nawtej dosanjh: 50%. What you would do in an hour. You can now do in 30 min. Okay.
00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:48.850 nawtej dosanjh: I I gotta say, I think that may be an underestimate. It has the. It has the power to augment you as your expertise
00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:58.499 nawtej dosanjh: tens of times, maybe hundreds of times. So you know, what do was that? A real estimate? And of course I you know we did not rehearse this!
00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:00.620 nawtej dosanjh: Oh, sure in advance, so.
00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:03.280 Angie Snowball: I'm not good at math, so mine was not.
00:21:04.770 --> 00:21:08.419 nawtej dosanjh: Yeah, I didn't ask Andrew, because she's not good at math.
00:21:08.420 --> 00:21:22.559 Bruce Cramer: Know. So let me. You know I'm going to answer that honestly. I you know, to your point. Could it speed me up more absolutely, but I still like to take that 1st round. But but now that you said that
00:21:22.860 --> 00:21:35.369 Bruce Cramer: oh, my God, I you know! Let me think of this. So if I've got somebody that I don't know reaches out to me because they might be interested in having me as a coach.
00:21:36.300 --> 00:21:58.299 Bruce Cramer: Believe it or not, and you know what I do as a trick. Now that I just learned from one of my colleagues, I can go out onto Linkedin and just highlight do a control C on their entire Linkedin page and control V into like again. Chat gpt.
00:21:59.190 --> 00:22:09.619 Bruce Cramer: and it'll tell me all of the key points about that person. It'll tell me what it thinks of that individual in terms of strengths and weaknesses.
00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:23.040 Bruce Cramer: and it'll also lay out a brief conversationable piece. So when I do contact this person for the 1st time, this is probably something that's going to be of interest to him and her.
00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:37.050 Bruce Cramer: and it actually lays out a coaching plan. Now imagine that by me using so literally without having any conversation within no more than a minute.
00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:50.830 Bruce Cramer: I've got this piece of information now, as Angie pointed out earlier, how accurate is that? Because it's just pulling what's published on that person's Linkedin. So you got to be very careful.
00:22:50.890 --> 00:23:08.460 Bruce Cramer: but there's the thing where it probably shaved off, you know, you know more than half of the conversation to begin with, and then, once things are validated and stuff, you move fairly quick. The other thing that I would say is a hundredfold.
00:23:08.650 --> 00:23:22.490 Bruce Cramer: and I'm I'll let you speak in just a second, Angie. But I don't want to lose. The thought is that during a meeting I almost hate it. Now, when I'm you know. Well, that's I love to meet and talk with people, one on one.
00:23:22.710 --> 00:23:37.869 Bruce Cramer: But I love Zoom, because when I get done it summarizes all of my notes and pops out the action items. So to your point, that would usually take me 30 min is now done in a minute, because I just finished the call.
00:23:37.870 --> 00:23:38.370 Angie Snowball: Yeah.
00:23:38.370 --> 00:23:48.709 Bruce Cramer: My phantom reader comes up. It says, here's all the salient points. Here's the highlights of the meeting, and these were the action items that you both agreed to take.
00:23:48.720 --> 00:24:10.399 Bruce Cramer: And so to your point. You know that that took 30 min down to a minute. So now that you got me thinking, Yeah, it's it's it's probably far exceeds that. I was thinking when I author. I still, it's just me I have to. I have to do the 1st shot I can't cheat, and then I look at Gpt, and I kind of like, how close did I get to it?
00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:11.630 Angie Snowball: The estimate too.
00:24:12.410 --> 00:24:13.580 nawtej dosanjh: Sorry. Go ahead. Angie.
00:24:13.580 --> 00:24:34.119 Angie Snowball: I was just gonna say that estimate, too. There's so many things that are common to us now that we won't even include that, you know, like, think about calendly, or whatever calendar tool you use? Soho, whatever I mean. Do you remember going back and forth calling people? How about Wednesday? Now, how about Thursday? How about Tuesday? I mean that stuff. We don't even think about the time saved anymore. And I'm sure there's countless more.
00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:41.569 Bruce Cramer: No, it's it. Yeah. So so, natesh, to your point, I don't like to admit when you're right. But
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.080 Bruce Cramer: yeah, it's probably more significant.
00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:45.859 Angie Snowball: Think it's cute when he's right.
00:24:46.350 --> 00:24:50.300 Bruce Cramer: Smile. Damn it, yeah, I think.
00:24:50.300 --> 00:24:54.380 nawtej dosanjh: I'm right. I think I'm right. Maybe once every 3 and a half months.
00:24:54.655 --> 00:24:54.930 Bruce Cramer: Yeah.
00:24:54.930 --> 00:24:56.319 Angie Snowball: Oh, there you go!
00:24:56.320 --> 00:25:01.587 nawtej dosanjh: So well, I think I think I'm good that I've got that one out the way now, until
00:25:03.330 --> 00:25:05.950 nawtej dosanjh: I'm really happy with myself. To be honest.
00:25:07.610 --> 00:25:16.009 nawtej dosanjh: I I wanna I know I now want to just turn the subject a little bit. Actually, 1 1 final point on that before we move to the the next bit.
00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:27.900 nawtej dosanjh: What I'm really getting from this is that Bruce, you as an you as a coach expert, I want to use that word because I want to keep using that word to differentiate between expertise and non expertise.
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:47.640 nawtej dosanjh: The the large language model, the chat Gpt that you use. It was. It's been really helpful for you with your with your control. C control. V. It's giving you a coaching plan. But if you are not an expert, if you are not a coach, and you did not have coaching expertise that would be useless for you.
00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:51.590 nawtej dosanjh: It's augmented you as a coach.
00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:52.740 Angie Snowball: Yeah, cause he wouldn't know
00:25:52.740 --> 00:26:09.609 Angie Snowball: to do with it. And I was thinking, this is what I was going to say earlier. Bruce was like you said the thing about it started a conversation. So 1st of all, that saves an hour right there, because I used to coach people make sure you go through their profile. Make sure you read everything now. It does it for you. Fantastic. But I was curious.
00:26:09.610 --> 00:26:29.209 Angie Snowball: What conversation did it start? Does it take into account. I mean, we're going to talk in disk. Speak here. But are they a d, are they? I? What personality type are they? Do they take that into account? Or do you have to figure that out and adjust the conversation because you could blow a deal in the 1st sentence if
00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:39.790 Angie Snowball: you were a very creative person that was talking to a very detail oriented person. And you got the wrong like. Is AI writing for you to talk, or for you to talk to them.
00:26:40.660 --> 00:26:44.719 Bruce Cramer: You know, I and I gotta. I gotta step in here because something just clicked.
00:26:44.830 --> 00:26:50.000 Bruce Cramer: I think, as the experts you know how to frame the question on Chatgpt.
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:50.530 Angie Snowball: Yes.
00:26:50.530 --> 00:27:04.140 Bruce Cramer: You know the question to ask. That's the edge that whatever your expertise brings to the party gets you there much quicker without having the right questions, because to your point.
00:27:04.578 --> 00:27:24.619 Bruce Cramer: you know, as a coach, we just naturally think God. I wonder what kind of? So you you can actually ask, based on information they're presenting, and they will do some client insight, as it calls it. But you don't again. You don't know if that's factual. But again, I think the expertise
00:27:24.780 --> 00:27:41.889 Bruce Cramer: helps you frame the right question to get the response and also to be able to validate that response. And that's the edge. Being the expert has, because to your point it could be just a bunch of words on a page, and it sounds great. But you don't have the context.
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:43.130 Angie Snowball: Yeah.
00:27:43.130 --> 00:28:00.989 nawtej dosanjh: If I was trying to, if I if I wanted to. I don't know. Understand earthquakes. I have no expertise in earth sciences and earthquakes and geology. If I put something in chat, gpt about that, it would mean nothing to me. It would not speed me up because
00:28:01.020 --> 00:28:13.770 nawtej dosanjh: I'd be. I started off, being dumb and non-expert, and I was still dumb and non-expert in that sector. So but listen, let's let's change in that sector. Thank you, Angie, love you.
00:28:13.770 --> 00:28:21.820 Angie Snowball: I was going to say. He's the smartest man I know, but he doesn't know about earthquakes. We found his kryptonite.
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.060 Bruce Cramer: Go ahead! I'll save it.
00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:33.459 nawtej dosanjh: I wanna I wanna I wanna I'm really excited about what we're gonna talk about next, because I have not talked about this with you before I want to place AI
00:28:34.260 --> 00:28:41.290 nawtej dosanjh: in the in the context of other massive change
00:28:41.760 --> 00:28:58.639 nawtej dosanjh: epoch, defining moments in human history. The agricultural revolution, the industrial revolution. The urbanization, you know, these urbanization is still going on. Urbanization started
00:28:59.100 --> 00:29:05.180 nawtej dosanjh: several 10,000 12,000 BC. When the 1st cities rose. It is still going on
00:29:05.690 --> 00:29:11.229 nawtej dosanjh: 14,000 years later. It's still going on the agrarian. The agricultural revolution
00:29:11.630 --> 00:29:18.609 nawtej dosanjh: lasted thousands of years. The Industrial Revolution was hundreds of years.
00:29:18.780 --> 00:29:21.320 nawtej dosanjh: and still going on to a certain extent.
00:29:21.470 --> 00:29:25.449 nawtej dosanjh: So this is a this is a 1 of these major
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:32.730 nawtej dosanjh: changes in human history. This is this is a huge moment.
00:29:32.950 --> 00:29:42.160 nawtej dosanjh: and when Bruce said, We we need to really get involved. I I thought, Oh, yes, I've got to talk about this, because
00:29:42.500 --> 00:30:01.320 nawtej dosanjh: this is such a big change. This is a profound, defining change in our human history that we've got to get on and getting somehow embrace and get involved in in a there is no point ignoring AI. There's no point ignoring large language models and machine learning.
00:30:01.722 --> 00:30:11.660 nawtej dosanjh: Because it's not going anywhere else. Guys, any thoughts on what I've just mentioned in the last 30 seconds before we go to break, and we we hand over the baton to you guys.
00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:37.219 Angie Snowball: Just a hundred percent right on that. And the other thing is the speed of it. Like you were saying, urbanization has been going on for 14, th and it will continue. But, man, I mean, I feel that we live in the Jetsons. Things that happen in the Jetsons are happening all the time, and AI is part of that. Remember, Teladoc, Zoom Meetings all that kind of stuff. It's so fast everything's so we do things. 5 years ago we? We couldn't do. We could now. We couldn't do. 5 years ago.
00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:50.489 Bruce Cramer: And I got a comment. You know we talk about the pace of change and how it can leave you behind. AI is the tool that's going to allow us to catch up and stay caught up.
00:30:50.590 --> 00:31:09.520 Bruce Cramer: AI is going to increase our ability to change at a much faster pace with everything else. So yeah, you you've got to grab hold of AI and really and really start exploring the different tools one at a time. Get in the game.
00:31:10.070 --> 00:31:11.900 Angie Snowball: Yeah, get off a tip for that point.
00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:13.109 Angie Snowball: Get into AI.
00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:23.490 nawtej dosanjh: Okay. We are just about to hear the music which signals that we are about to. We're about to go go to break when we come back.
00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:44.340 nawtej dosanjh: Angie, and then Bruce will be talking about their detailed use of chat. Gbt is the one they use, and they will talk in detail about how how they use that. So stay with us. We're only going to be a minute, 2 min, and we will be right back. So see you, then cue the music.
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:19.950 nawtej dosanjh: Damn!
00:33:19.950 --> 00:33:23.360 Bruce Cramer: I'm Gonna need your picture. I'm I'm getting low.
00:33:26.530 --> 00:33:28.250 nawtej dosanjh: And, Angie, you're on mute.
00:33:28.250 --> 00:33:31.275 Angie Snowball: Sorry. It looks like we're gonna have to fly to Sanibel.
00:33:32.040 --> 00:33:32.440 nawtej dosanjh: So.
00:33:32.990 --> 00:33:48.060 nawtej dosanjh: Angie, could you, when you finished giving Bruce another drink, pouring Bruce a drink? We would love to hear about how you as a marketing expert, use AI in your day to day work.
00:33:49.120 --> 00:33:59.931 Angie Snowball: So yeah, I use it for a lot of different things. So I use it to create content calendars to give people ideas for themes that we might use.
00:34:00.280 --> 00:34:22.790 Angie Snowball: I use it. I usually write for Linkedin specifically. So I know what kind of keywords they want, and the tone that they want, and then I will put that into chat. Or if I'm doing it for Google, I put it into Gemini and say, Can you reword this post because it Gemini is going to pick the words that Google wants to hear, because it's a Google thing, right? Or
00:34:22.790 --> 00:34:47.580 Angie Snowball: copilot for Microsoft. There's lots of different ways to do that. So use that. I also use it. For now, paint, core guys, paint, core Cincinnati North are amazing people, and I don't want to hurt their feelings. They're the best painters around. They have this new freaking robot. Speaking of AI that like paints your logo on the wall, they're the greatest people ever. But my knowledge of paint is about this much which is really really tiny.
00:34:47.620 --> 00:35:16.919 Angie Snowball: So after about a year, I ran out of things to talk about. I was like, what am I going to talk about these people? So I used it for like idea generation. So I was like, what's popular. What's trending in this industry? Because I work with all kinds of industries. I got painters, roofers, business coaches, franchise advisors. You name it burritos. I got all kinds of stuff. So it helps me stay up with the trends. I also use it because we create a lot of podcasts or do a lot of video content, and I will upload it into Otter
00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:25.789 Angie Snowball: AI, and just take the sound and say, Hey, can you summarize this for a post? So I don't have to write the intro post. It will do it
00:35:25.790 --> 00:35:49.610 Angie Snowball: for me now. I always mix it around, you know, because everybody's got their words they use, or they would never use, so I always try to personalize it. But the bulk of the work is done for me, even creating clips. I'll load that into otter and say, Hey, can you pick out 3 of the best clips from this podcast and it'll give me the timestamp, and then I know where to cut them out when I video edit. And so I use, I mean, I could go on and on.
00:35:49.700 --> 00:35:51.670 Angie Snowball: I use it for all kinds of stuff
00:35:53.090 --> 00:36:11.999 Angie Snowball: pictures. I use canva every day and canvas so cool. Even your phone is so cool now. Right? We were at conference, and there was this great picture of Steve and his wife, and then somebody's butt was like, right in the middle of it. I'm like, what is that guy doing like? How did he get there. And why is his butt like right in the middle?
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:27.679 Angie Snowball: And I, you can like, just touch that guy and only make that guy disappear. And it looks like he wasn't even there, right just outlines that guy in his butt and out. He was gone, and I still have a great picture. So. And I'm a terrible picture taker, which isn't a great thing for a marketer.
00:36:27.990 --> 00:36:46.059 Angie Snowball: So I use all those editors, too, and say, Hey, can you fix this? It was Fuzzy or I took this in bad light. Can you fix it? And it does that stuff for me? Whereas before I was just posting a bad picture because I didn't have time to mess with it, and I really didn't have the expertise to mess with it. So now it's like, Can you fix this.
00:36:46.060 --> 00:37:09.859 Angie Snowball: but you do again. You have to know what to ask it. You can't just say, can you fix this because it'll come back and say, I don't do this, you have to say, can you please take this guy's butt out of the picture, or can you please, you know, make it lighter in the corner? Or can you get rid of this poll like you have to be specific. So you have to know what you're asking. But I use it all the time and canva
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:11.720 Angie Snowball: chat otter.
00:37:11.810 --> 00:37:36.799 Angie Snowball: Those are even on my phone, because I use them so much. And like Bruce, said, I also use crisp. Sometimes I use fathom for note takers. I like Crisp because it's also noise canceling. Have a dog who likes to bark at Amazon man, but that those things. Take great notes, summarize, give you action items that I used to sit there and do that for half hour, and it's something I hate my personality
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:50.029 Angie Snowball: really bad at so honestly. It's made me a better person, too, because I'd start. And I was like, Oh, my God, I can't do this! I'm bored, and I'd leave and forget the notes right? I only get halfway through it. So I think that's good for AI stuff, too.
00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:51.159 Angie Snowball: Kind of helps you with your week.
00:37:51.160 --> 00:37:59.849 nawtej dosanjh: Angie, I Angie, I have a I have a I have a question. Could we do an entire show where you are talking about this stuff just for me.
00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:04.340 Angie Snowball: It'd be boring as hell. But I would do it for you. And I do anything. Video.
00:38:04.340 --> 00:38:05.019 nawtej dosanjh: Anything else, because.
00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:05.490 Angie Snowball: We, we.
00:38:05.490 --> 00:38:05.950 nawtej dosanjh: Continue.
00:38:05.950 --> 00:38:06.535 Angie Snowball: Like.
00:38:07.120 --> 00:38:09.540 nawtej dosanjh: Got so much out of that. Seriously, seriously, I don't.
00:38:10.490 --> 00:38:13.370 Bruce Cramer: It's a straight Bourbon show. I'm just saying.
00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:15.649 nawtej dosanjh: You got it?
00:38:17.110 --> 00:38:18.379 nawtej dosanjh: Kentucky, Bourbon show.
00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:47.409 Angie Snowball: Just so. You know, his glass is getting empty. That's why exciting. But yeah, for real, though you could go for hours. It's like when people ask you to do a coaching because I train companies. Sometimes I do like a half day on Linkedin, and always include enough AI like. And they always want AI for dummies, I'm like which one like what we want to use. It's such a hard thing to like squeeze in to a small time, because there is just endless, and those are the ones I know.
00:38:47.410 --> 00:38:54.250 Angie Snowball: I mean, there are countless ones. People ask me all the time like this is my pet peeves, too. Are you using? Fetch?
00:38:54.530 --> 00:39:15.970 Angie Snowball: No, I don't know what fetch is. I've never heard of it. Oh, my God, you're not using fetch! There are like 300 of them bitch sorry. But seriously, which there's like 300 of them out there like nobody can in real person can keep up with this. So I just you got to find the ones that work for. You. Learn how to use them, get good at them. Nobody needs a hundred of them. You need the ones that work for you.
00:39:17.150 --> 00:39:23.019 nawtej dosanjh: Wow! Wow! I'm I'm genuinely impressed, Angie. I knew you were. I knew you were good because you do my posts. But
00:39:23.020 --> 00:39:23.820 nawtej dosanjh: yeah.
00:39:24.090 --> 00:39:37.790 nawtej dosanjh: I am, I am totally blown away. I am totally totally blown away, Bruce, you know. Please. Now let's talk about your stuff. But did you know half the stuff that Angie talked about there, do you? Were you aware of this.
00:39:37.790 --> 00:39:40.519 Bruce Cramer: No, because Angie does it for me.
00:39:43.215 --> 00:39:48.894 Bruce Cramer: you know, that's the other thing. You know, this helps you create those partnerships that you really need.
00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:50.559 Angie Snowball: Yeah, I mean.
00:39:50.560 --> 00:40:05.230 Bruce Cramer: You know. So I already talked about that, you know. I'll use it when I'm publishing an article, or creating something, or even a script for an interview that somebody's going to do with me. I will, you know.
00:40:05.290 --> 00:40:21.510 Bruce Cramer: kind of do the high level brush work on it, and then throw it through Gp. And it'll actually put it in a script that I can then share with the interviewer. But I talked about content. I talked about what a lifesaver. It is for meetings, captures all the notes, sends out the action items.
00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:27.959 Bruce Cramer: but some of the other things that I use it for is that you know, as a coach.
00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:40.540 Bruce Cramer: it's it's important that when you 1st meet with the client like I said you could go out and I use that. But the other thing is to do market research. So if I'm in an industry
00:40:40.940 --> 00:41:02.339 Bruce Cramer: that I've only scratched in my 60 years, plus that I've been around, I will just do some industry research. So I'll say, what are the hottest trends for this particular client that I'm going to speak to the 1st time in their industry. What are the hottest trends? I will also, through a list of good.
00:41:02.650 --> 00:41:10.649 Bruce Cramer: try to verify where they sit within that industry. So I try to get just some basic intelligence.
00:41:11.140 --> 00:41:26.349 Bruce Cramer: The other thing that I do is, you know, people are recognizing. I talk too much. Well, and I write. I write too much. So I always talk about word economics. So once I sit back and I make sure.
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:39.689 Bruce Cramer: before I feed it into chat gpt what I've written what the salient points from my perspective. I will sometimes have it, just, you know. Do word economics refine it for me. Make it much more concise.
00:41:39.970 --> 00:42:08.539 Bruce Cramer: Recently, Nataj, you and I were working on a program that we're now offering, not not going to be too selfishly promoting here. But we are offering a program for Pmo leads and delivery leads, and I wanted a tone that really conveys what a coach is versus maybe a coach in your workplace or a Mentor, because the coach gets thrown around. You know there's millions of us out there. But as Natej and Angie and some of our other colleagues.
00:42:08.620 --> 00:42:18.759 Bruce Cramer: we try to we. What we do is try to create a real, safe, nonjudgmental environment in which you can be really
00:42:18.770 --> 00:42:38.749 Bruce Cramer: comfortable in being vulnerable. Because when you display your vulnerability. That's when we can really add value in terms of your success individually, or your business well, to soften our language, because I can be pretty bold and direct, I'll sometimes say.
00:42:38.750 --> 00:42:39.319 Angie Snowball: You saw.
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:50.810 Bruce Cramer: The message, because I don't want to scare people, because at the end of the day I'm at and on your side, so it'll set tone for you. You can actually set a tone now
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.549 Bruce Cramer: the little shit in me.
00:42:53.470 --> 00:43:11.609 Bruce Cramer: So you know I've been into poetry, but you know I can't write poetry, but not that long ago, Moo, one of our one of our 6 rescue pets. We still have 6. But he had passed.
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:23.979 Bruce Cramer: and he was by far and away. Noel's like, Oh, my God! They they really bonded so I thought, wouldn't it be cool to kind of like? Write a poem?
00:43:24.410 --> 00:43:45.610 Bruce Cramer: So I, you know I talked about the sunshine on the island, and all Moo would like to just run and and and you know all that sort of thing. Well, I wrote a poem like in 10 seconds, and I, unbeknownst to her. I just said, Hey, I was thinking about you and Moo.
00:43:46.000 --> 00:44:02.909 Bruce Cramer: Well, then, I panicked because, as she was reading, tears were just coming down, and she was sobbing, and she goes, oh, my God, Bruce, this is so heartfelt! Oh, you captured the essence of you know. And and now I'm thinking.
00:44:02.940 --> 00:44:32.199 Bruce Cramer: how am I going to back my way out of this? So so even just. But then I thought, you know, when you write a thank you note, or you want to say something special. You know this does help. I mean, it'll help take. You know you got to give the words you got to ask, the questions with the words that you want to convey, and the feeling you want to convey, and the tone you want to convey. But it's amazing. So I digressed a little. The other thing.
00:44:32.747 --> 00:44:36.580 nawtej dosanjh: Moved. I am moved to the corporate.
00:44:36.580 --> 00:44:57.880 Bruce Cramer: You know. Now, I wonder, with artists being a former well, still a musician, but haven't played in a while just how many Chat Gpt. Songs are out there in pop culture, because I remember back when we would write as a band, you know, coming up with the hook this that I'm thinking, man, if we had Chat Gpt.
00:44:57.930 --> 00:45:09.619 Bruce Cramer: how could we have shortcut a lot of the songwriting we did way back when. And so, you know, it's amazing. I mean, for leads.
00:45:09.620 --> 00:45:30.490 Bruce Cramer: I'm now working with a program within our organization and with Angie and Natej where AI is heavily leveraged to, you have to define your ideal client but once that's defined and you put it in, it'll generate leads for you, and it'll take advantage of bots and all that kind of stuff.
00:45:30.490 --> 00:45:41.140 Bruce Cramer: but that's you know. I think I'm still just scrap. I'm an infant in the AI. World right now. What I can say is being a coach
00:45:41.180 --> 00:45:50.810 Bruce Cramer: where we operate solo most of the time. AI is like having an entire staff behind you, and and.
00:45:50.810 --> 00:45:52.219 Angie Snowball: Yeah, that's true.
00:45:52.220 --> 00:46:03.990 Bruce Cramer: As an editor, you know. Read these thoughts, does it make sense, you know? So it it's become a very close ally and partner of mine, and I'm just.
00:46:03.990 --> 00:46:06.699 Angie Snowball: Bruce. I think the music's gonna cut us off.
00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:07.250 Angie Snowball: Okay?
00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:08.220 Angie Snowball: So I think.
00:46:08.220 --> 00:46:29.430 Bruce Cramer: Just one last comment to Angie's point, though, is, start with one tool, because there's you know, there's hundreds of tools out there. Start with one, but maintain your personality by going slow. You'll make sure your personality emerges from the use of AI, and you don't just turn into some bot.
00:46:30.060 --> 00:46:30.520 Angie Snowball: Yeah.
00:46:31.520 --> 00:47:00.040 nawtej dosanjh: That's great. That's great advice. And what came across there strongly, Bruce, from my point of view, is that and I haven't. We haven't talked about this before that you're prompting your prompt engineering. Your questions you ask are really top draw. You really think about it very carefully and same with you, Angie, you've got this. You've got this nailed. I am blown away by what you 2 are able to do on on AI. Can I get some coaching from you 2 just before the music starts during the during the
00:47:00.040 --> 00:47:00.640 nawtej dosanjh: break.
00:47:00.640 --> 00:47:03.340 nawtej dosanjh: Can you do some coaching sessions for me? Please?
00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:07.720 Angie Snowball: Guy who has a university that teaches about AI and medical.
00:47:07.720 --> 00:47:09.610 Bruce Cramer: Boy, I I got one question.
00:47:09.610 --> 00:47:12.770 nawtej dosanjh: Just make it quick, Bruce, make it quick!
00:47:12.770 --> 00:47:14.169 Bruce Cramer: When we come back, because it's a.
00:47:14.170 --> 00:47:18.610 nawtej dosanjh: Do it quick! Do it quick! Now we got we got we got 20 seconds. Have you got 20 seconds.
00:47:18.610 --> 00:47:25.380 Bruce Cramer: Well, I want you to think about the programs that are out there to detect the use of AI.
00:47:25.380 --> 00:47:25.990 nawtej dosanjh: Okay.
00:47:25.990 --> 00:47:27.440 Bruce Cramer: So I'm going to leave it with that.
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:37.242 Angie Snowball: I'm really happy. We're going to music because I did not want to answer that question right now, Jesse, because the queue I'm making a long break, Jesse.
00:49:24.450 --> 00:49:40.459 nawtej dosanjh: Welcome. Welcome back! Lucky for me. I'm going to ignore Bruce's question for now, because we have some listener questions that I'm going to go straight to the 1st question, Angie, can I give it to you?
00:49:40.460 --> 00:49:54.640 nawtej dosanjh: Real question, what is from Sherry? She says. Real question from sherry. What is the difference between all the ais gemini Chatgbt copilot, which is better. Angie.
00:49:55.050 --> 00:50:24.269 Angie Snowball: So I think that's like, kind of like Bruce's question. It's a whole, another episode, because they're all different for different reasons, and something we could go into, but I don't feel like any of them are better than the other ones. It's more what you get into. We got apple people you got Android people sometimes. It's just the way you see it and the way your brain works, but I also know her, so I will get with her and give her a lot more details. And we probably could do a show on that guys.
00:50:24.270 --> 00:50:25.479 Angie Snowball: I think it'd be an interesting topic.
00:50:26.726 --> 00:50:29.433 Bruce Cramer: Just just to add to that, I
00:50:29.980 --> 00:50:32.869 Bruce Cramer: I have a couple of colleagues
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:49.380 Bruce Cramer: and one of the things they do like. You know we have Gemini with Google, which tends to be very integrated in the Google suite of things. So if you're a heavy Google, you know, maybe Gemini is more. But what people are doing like. There's Claude.
00:50:49.380 --> 00:51:04.680 Bruce Cramer: which is pretty popular, but what they do is they'll go for an answer in Chat Gpt. They'll write something and say chat. Pt. Thinks this is the best way to describe this, and they'll put it in Claude.
00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:17.020 Bruce Cramer: Well, then, Claude, kind of like takes offense. And like, no, this is so, they're actually using some of the AI tools as rivals to get something more succinct.
00:51:17.020 --> 00:51:17.470 Angie Snowball: That'd be.
00:51:17.470 --> 00:51:18.120 Bruce Cramer: Or rip.
00:51:18.120 --> 00:51:19.050 Angie Snowball: The answer is there.
00:51:19.050 --> 00:51:29.379 Bruce Cramer: I have myself have not tried that, but I'm seeing others say they're they're doing that which is just amazing. But nonetheless.
00:51:29.380 --> 00:51:33.829 nawtej dosanjh: I've got to say got to say I do that. I compare. I compare between
00:51:34.050 --> 00:51:35.290 nawtej dosanjh: yeah, so. But it's fine.
00:51:35.290 --> 00:51:35.890 Bruce Cramer: She would.
00:51:36.936 --> 00:51:49.496 nawtej dosanjh: But another question for Angie. And then the next question is for Bruce. Hey, guys? Question, should Angie be polite to Alexa?
00:51:50.020 --> 00:51:51.069 Angie Snowball: I'm pretty sure this.
00:51:51.070 --> 00:51:51.620 nawtej dosanjh: That's okay.
00:51:51.620 --> 00:52:17.339 Angie Snowball: My husband or my son, I'm pretty sure, because Alexa and I have been in some real knockout drag down fight like, really, I really sorry. I really don't like you. She's mean to me. She doesn't listen to me, and she listens to everybody else in the family. So yes, I should be because I'm scared of her a little bit, especially now that not as told me in 2 years they're gonna think and take over pretty much. But I'll start being nicer. I promise. Sorry, Alexa.
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:22.700 nawtej dosanjh: I love the way I love the way you sort of changed. What I said added some words took some other way. Words away.
00:52:23.550 --> 00:52:30.109 nawtej dosanjh: 2 years I should be really scared because they're gonna take over. So I love the way I love the way you did that you should write. You should write. You should write.
00:52:32.370 --> 00:52:50.869 nawtej dosanjh: Bruce. I've got a comment. I've got a question for you, Linkedin comment. Also, I've understood that true intellect involves emotion, since a machine cannot have emotion. Will we ever see a true AI! What's your view? I've got a view on this, too. But what's your view?
00:52:50.870 --> 00:52:53.725 Bruce Cramer: Yeah, I I definitely
00:52:55.150 --> 00:53:01.869 Bruce Cramer: The answer is, yes, we will get. And this is the part. And I wonder.
00:53:02.090 --> 00:53:22.730 Bruce Cramer: you know. And this is just me thinking out loud that part of the reason why we're not seeing more of reasoning, because, as Natesh elegantly pointed out, we don't have real AI, because we don't have, you know. Right now it relies on data and patterns. It's not reasoning. It's not thinking on its own.
00:53:22.890 --> 00:53:24.210 Bruce Cramer: However.
00:53:24.764 --> 00:53:39.010 Bruce Cramer: I believe there's probably some expert, you know, experiments out there where they have this thing thinking for itself and potential. But but the ramifications of that go well beyond
00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:56.390 Bruce Cramer: us. And you know, and until they deal with some of the ramifications of that, will it actually be released? That's just a personal view that there's probably elements. Well, I'm not. Probably I'm sure there's elements, and I'm sure emotion
00:53:56.390 --> 00:54:13.190 Bruce Cramer: to some degree there can be some kind of of, and I can't think of the right word of rhythm built around that to absorb some of that. But it'll be interesting how that level of AI gets introduced in society
00:54:13.290 --> 00:54:30.230 Bruce Cramer: in general, because I'm sure you know, you know, I'm positive in the world at large. From a military standpoint these things are being worked on. That's just my view, for whatever it's worth.
00:54:31.726 --> 00:54:32.439 Angie Snowball: Many years.
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:32.840 nawtej dosanjh: I would.
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:35.750 Angie Snowball: As I saw that come in, I was like, I want to know.
00:54:36.540 --> 00:54:37.040 Bruce Cramer: Yeah.
00:54:37.040 --> 00:54:37.599 Angie Snowball: What you think.
00:54:37.600 --> 00:54:48.560 nawtej dosanjh: Well, I I so my my view is that I I don't know is my view. But there are. There are people who are
00:54:48.700 --> 00:55:05.330 nawtej dosanjh: who everybody would universally acknowledge that they are experts in in the field. I'm not going to. I'm not going to name names, but they believe that AI will evolve into true emotion.
00:55:06.087 --> 00:55:12.689 nawtej dosanjh: into the use of true motion. And so what Bruce is saying is
00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:25.750 nawtej dosanjh: the view of some out there, and not just some people who are just expressing a political view or a sensational view. They are genuinely, they are genuine experts.
00:55:26.767 --> 00:55:35.110 nawtej dosanjh: In in AI. They've been involved with AI from the beginning. And yeah. So I don't know. Personally.
00:55:35.110 --> 00:55:42.619 Angie Snowball: Yeah, it's not really new, is it? It's interesting, too. Because, remember, I guess maybe this old movie. But remember, short circuit
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:59.650 Angie Snowball: where the Johnny 5 is alive and like it was so unrealistic back then. But I think what you're saying now, Ted's like, Oh, my gosh, I maybe yeah, like it's something that for me. I couldn't say I'd actually like. It's weird for me to conceptualize.
00:55:59.740 --> 00:56:13.710 Angie Snowball: But logically, factually, I have to look at that and think, you know, so is so was walking sidewalks when I was moving sidewalks when I was a kid, you know. So was Zoom 10 years ago. So yeah, I don't know that's crazy.
00:56:13.830 --> 00:56:37.349 Bruce Cramer: You know, to Natasha's point, too. Please give us comments on this, because we do have access to experts around this. You know, because, unlike my response, I just want to say I'm not an expert, but you could see the power of this, but we certainly based on where do you want us to go with this conversation?
00:56:37.712 --> 00:56:50.389 Bruce Cramer: You know we're not going to dedicate every episode necessarily, but certainly subsequent episodes. If you give us some direct questions and thoughts and comments. We can frame it up so that we can dedicate.
00:56:50.390 --> 00:57:11.519 Bruce Cramer: You know the entire episode, and have a much richer, and have additional people with us that are in the know. Because this is an interesting conversation like Natesh said, it's pretty earth shattering where this could go, and the ramifications of it are huge.
00:57:12.520 --> 00:57:13.020 Angie Snowball: Yeah.
00:57:13.020 --> 00:57:17.350 nawtej dosanjh: And this was just this was just the introduction. Angie, go ahead, please.
00:57:17.350 --> 00:57:40.830 Angie Snowball: I know. No, I was just thinking more about Sherry's comment. If anybody has questions about like AI, and again, not to be self serving, but this is might be helpful once a month. I just had it today. So it's the second Thursday of the month. We have a group mastermind that's focused on Linkedin. But we always talk about new AI, so we always talk about what's helpful to create content and
00:57:40.830 --> 00:57:50.399 Angie Snowball: content calendars and stuff like that. So if anybody else had questions like that, we talk about those things for an hour once a month in our Linkedin Loop Group
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.433 Angie Snowball: cause that all this is just scratching the surface.
00:57:54.770 --> 00:58:01.470 nawtej dosanjh: This was. This was just the this was just the Intro Angie Bruce. I just want to thank you for for
00:58:02.160 --> 00:58:25.750 nawtej dosanjh: as usual, as we did last week. Total sort of we we come in, we we unrehearsed, and we you just make it everything, everything fun and great. We are about to go. We're gonna hear the music in a moment. We will explore more topics about AI. We'll go deeper as far as you want as far as the listeners. You out there want us to go
00:58:26.040 --> 00:58:37.549 nawtej dosanjh: in the in the 30 seconds that that's remaining. I'm going to ask Angie and Bruce for just one final thing. Angie, you go first, st and then Bruce, and then we will cue the music.
00:58:39.990 --> 00:58:41.800 nawtej dosanjh: One final thing, Angie.
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:47.459 Angie Snowball: Oh, I would say, grab onto AI. Don't be afraid of it. One piece at a time.
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.150 nawtej dosanjh: Fantastic, Bruce.
00:58:50.500 --> 00:59:03.270 Bruce Cramer: I'm just going to say Thank you. Thank you for joining, and, as Natesh pointed out, let us know exactly what you want to hear from us, AI, or any other topic. Thank you.
00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:07.499 Angie Snowball: Yes, thanks for being here. Thanks, doctor, advice for people.
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:08.150 Angie Snowball: Yes, in order.
00:59:08.150 --> 00:59:08.590 nawtej dosanjh: Oh, you're.
00:59:08.590 --> 00:59:11.290 Bruce Cramer: Cheers, happy birthday Angie.
00:59:11.290 --> 00:59:19.589 nawtej dosanjh: Your pims stay curious, and thanks for joining us on serving up success with a splash. See you next week. Bye, bye.
00:59:19.720 --> 00:59:20.990 Angie Snowball: Bye, cheers.
00:59:20.990 --> 00:59:22.310 nawtej dosanjh: You music. Jesse.
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