EPISODE SUMMARY:
This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Spiritual Leader, Intuitive, Pioneer in Spiritual Intelligence and President, Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney.
Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney is internationally recognized as a spiritual leader, intuitive, and pioneer in spiritual intelligence. She blends entrepreneurship and spiritual insights to guide individuals toward fulfilling their soul’s mission.
As the President of Gateway University, a School for the Study of Higher Consciousness founded in 1981, Kimberly specializes in doctoral degrees for mid to late-career thought leaders and heart-centered entrepreneurs.
Kimberly’s teachings and transformative programs have opened doors to larger stages, collaborations, and global impact, inspiring others to embrace their divine potential. As founder of The Angel Ministry, she has ordained 100 interfaith ministers worldwide, and mentors doctoral candidates in fulfilling their soul’s mission while gaining credibility through advanced degrees.
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https://gatewayuniversity.org/
00:00:45.520 --> 00:01:02.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Good morning. Good evening. Wherever you're tuning in from welcome to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:01:02.720 --> 00:01:20.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We've got a wonderful show in store for you with a dear guest, and I'm really looking forward to bringing her on soon. But first, st of course, we have my blog post from a couple of years ago. Just kind of taking these in order. And it's amazing just how apropos they are
00:01:20.970 --> 00:01:23.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who comes on the show each week.
00:01:23.540 --> 00:01:26.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and this blog post is entitled
00:01:27.090 --> 00:01:29.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to do our deep inner work.
00:01:29.990 --> 00:01:32.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to feel safe enough
00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:34.249 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to be vulnerable.
00:01:35.390 --> 00:01:38.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: When we are engaged in deep inner work.
00:01:38.550 --> 00:01:40.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we need several things
00:01:41.230 --> 00:01:44.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: acceptance from those around us.
00:01:44.620 --> 00:01:47.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Time and space to integrate
00:01:47.620 --> 00:01:50.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an environment that supports us.
00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:55.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and the most essential thing we need is safety.
00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:01.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Safety does not come from a locked door or a quiet neighborhood.
00:02:01.970 --> 00:02:07.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It comes from the feeling we get when those around us accept us.
00:02:08.470 --> 00:02:19.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we cultivate that feeling of safety from knowing that our community supports us and and is willing to, and will allow us
00:02:20.170 --> 00:02:24.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to be the way we are as we work through things.
00:02:26.990 --> 00:02:30.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for they have been through the process themselves.
00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so they know what it is
00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:36.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to be vulnerable and scared.
00:02:36.790 --> 00:02:44.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for when we are in the midst of doing the deep work to unwind our trauma, it doesn't look pretty.
00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:51.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is messy and awkward, and needs to be handled with care and compassion.
00:02:52.640 --> 00:03:03.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and to feel safe in that space we need to know and feel that others have been there and can relate to what we are going through.
00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If they haven't, there is just no way for them to understand.
00:03:09.470 --> 00:03:12.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: no matter how well meaning they may be
00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:24.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for us to be truly understood and supported in the way we need. It takes a level of understanding that only comes from experience.
00:03:25.670 --> 00:03:32.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that experience breeds compassion and acceptance in a deep and profound way.
00:03:33.990 --> 00:03:39.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Only then can we feel safe to be vulnerable enough to dig deep
00:03:40.270 --> 00:03:43.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and face the fact that we are hurt
00:03:43.670 --> 00:03:45.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in pain.
00:03:45.230 --> 00:03:46.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: scared to death
00:03:46.970 --> 00:03:48.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and afraid
00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:56.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to come face to face with the most terrifying aspects of our lives, takes courage.
00:03:57.540 --> 00:04:02.900 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but we can only get there when the safety of the container we work in
00:04:02.930 --> 00:04:05.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is at the highest levels.
00:04:06.500 --> 00:04:11.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: True safety is the only thing that can allow us to be that
00:04:12.020 --> 00:04:13.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: vulnerable.
00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It might be a little different for each of us.
00:04:18.310 --> 00:04:20.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but we all know the feeling
00:04:20.910 --> 00:04:26.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we can recognize in an instant. If we truly feel safe in our community or not.
00:04:28.060 --> 00:04:31.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: even if we do not consciously know it.
00:04:32.070 --> 00:04:36.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so many little things can break the safety of the container.
00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:45.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We must be mindful of those things, so we can show up not only for ourselves, but for others as well.
00:04:46.820 --> 00:04:52.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is not an easy thing to decide to engage in this level of deep work.
00:04:52.510 --> 00:04:55.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but the rewards are well worth it.
00:04:56.060 --> 00:05:04.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The freedom, the joy, the peace we so long for are just on the other side of this work.
00:05:06.900 --> 00:05:10.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Do you know what you need to feel safe enough to be vulnerable?
00:05:12.400 --> 00:05:17.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Have you a community that can hold the space for you to do your deep inner work.
00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:23.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I wrote this blog post a couple of years ago.
00:05:24.900 --> 00:05:29.499 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: after having switched mentors. And and I've spoken in the past how
00:05:31.670 --> 00:05:36.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: my former mentor and I always were kind of butting heads, and
00:05:36.280 --> 00:05:42.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: he always kept saying things like, I'm not showing up, even though I'm like, what do you mean? I'm showing up every month I'm here.
00:05:43.820 --> 00:05:47.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and it took me a long time to realize that
00:05:48.230 --> 00:05:49.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just
00:05:49.960 --> 00:05:55.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: didn't feel safe doing my work around him, for whatever reason I just didn't.
00:05:55.140 --> 00:05:58.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: even though I'm like, what do you mean? I'm showing up every month. I'm
00:05:58.170 --> 00:05:59.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: oops
00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:02.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And
00:06:04.940 --> 00:06:07.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when I switched mentors
00:06:07.380 --> 00:06:09.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and I just felt
00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: different being with my new mentor.
00:06:13.930 --> 00:06:18.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it was really quite interesting, because I didn't realize
00:06:19.220 --> 00:06:21.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how unsafe that I had felt before.
00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:29.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And then, as I started to work with him, and with the other people who were apprenticing with him.
00:06:30.900 --> 00:06:33.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I found I was able to be
00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:36.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: much more vulnerable
00:06:36.910 --> 00:06:38.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in this container
00:06:38.760 --> 00:06:41.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: than I had in prior containers.
00:06:43.080 --> 00:06:44.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that I could
00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: show up and and be honest
00:06:47.490 --> 00:06:49.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: about my struggles.
00:06:49.970 --> 00:06:52.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and where I was at
00:06:53.550 --> 00:06:57.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in a way I I hadn't been able to be before.
00:06:59.830 --> 00:07:04.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and in reflecting on why I was able to do that
00:07:06.650 --> 00:07:08.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it was because
00:07:08.950 --> 00:07:10.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I felt safe
00:07:10.850 --> 00:07:12.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and accepted
00:07:12.780 --> 00:07:15.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: by the other people in the container.
00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.539 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who are also doing their deep work.
00:07:17.980 --> 00:07:20.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who were also being vulnerable.
00:07:21.230 --> 00:07:24.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who weren't criticizing me, who weren't
00:07:24.980 --> 00:07:27.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: giving me a hard time about stuff.
00:07:29.890 --> 00:07:32.569 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but who were supporting me to
00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: show up
00:07:34.960 --> 00:07:38.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in a way perhaps I hadn't shown up before.
00:07:43.670 --> 00:07:48.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that that's where the this blog post kind of came from. So it's
00:07:48.870 --> 00:07:53.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's taking what I've talked about before about not feeling safe
00:07:54.200 --> 00:07:56.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and bringing it into?
00:07:56.330 --> 00:08:00.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What does it feel like when we do feel safe? What happens?
00:08:00.510 --> 00:08:04.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How much deeper can we go in our process
00:08:05.520 --> 00:08:11.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we're really doing our deep inner work with other people who are doing their deep inner work.
00:08:11.930 --> 00:08:14.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and how that trust
00:08:14.180 --> 00:08:18.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that acceptance is so important.
00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you know, if that trust ever gets broken.
00:08:27.590 --> 00:08:30.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. Then we have to work to repair it
00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.159 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for, not just for ourselves, for the other people.
00:08:36.690 --> 00:08:40.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and with the healing work that I do, and now
00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:43.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I hold groups for other people, and
00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we just did one out in Southampton
00:08:48.130 --> 00:08:53.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the other weekend last weekend, and it was a beautiful.
00:08:53.450 --> 00:08:57.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: beautiful weekend, and people were able to go deep in their process.
00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I believe, because
00:09:03.710 --> 00:09:06.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we're able to hold the container
00:09:07.640 --> 00:09:11.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and accept people for where they were at.
00:09:13.150 --> 00:09:16.370 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and not judge them, not, criticize them.
00:09:17.090 --> 00:09:18.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but just be there with them
00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:20.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and hold space for that.
00:09:22.410 --> 00:09:23.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And it's
00:09:23.810 --> 00:09:25.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's so so important.
00:09:26.530 --> 00:09:36.800 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and maybe in a future episode, where where it's just me without a guest, maybe I'll dive a little bit deeper into this topic, but I hope you enjoyed that blog post.
00:09:36.870 --> 00:09:41.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The title again, is to do our deep inner work.
00:09:41.330 --> 00:09:44.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We need to feel safe enough to be vulnerable.
00:09:44.860 --> 00:09:57.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and you can always find my blog at the conscious consultant.com, or on the talk radio website, talk radio, dot. Nyc slash blog.
00:09:57.930 --> 00:10:02.189 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So thank you so much, and don't forget if you enjoy my blog posts.
00:10:02.390 --> 00:10:18.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I have a whole book of them called Everyday Awakening, and you can still find it at all. Major booksellers, Amazon, Barnes, and Nobles wherever you like to get your books, just if they don't have it. Ask them to order a copy of Everyday Awakening by Sam Leibots.
00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:24.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show
00:10:24.370 --> 00:10:27.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: spiritual leader, intuitive
00:10:27.340 --> 00:10:31.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pioneer in spiritual intelligence, and President
00:10:31.530 --> 00:10:34.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Reverend Dr. Kimberly Marooni.
00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:50.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Reverend Dr. Kimberly Muruni is an internationally recognized spiritual leader, intuitive, pioneer in in spiritual intelligence, she blends entrepreneurship and spiritual insights to guide individuals towards fulfilling their soul's mission
00:10:50.490 --> 00:11:06.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as president of Gateway University, a school for the study of higher consciousness, founded in 1,981 Kimberly specializes in doctoral degrees, for mid to late career. Thought leaders and heart centered. Entrepreneurs are kind of people.
00:11:06.920 --> 00:11:14.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Kimberly's teachings and transformative programs have opened doors to larger stages, collaborations and global impact.
00:11:14.470 --> 00:11:18.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: inspiring others to embrace their divine potential.
00:11:18.330 --> 00:11:34.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As founder of the Angel ministry. She has ordained over 100 interfaith ministers worldwide and mentors doctoral candidates in fulfilling their soul's mission while gaining credibility through advanced degrees.
00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:38.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the conscious consultant hour, Reverend Dr. Kimberly.
00:11:38.830 --> 00:11:42.250 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, thank you, Sam, I'm just truly delighted to be here with you.
00:11:42.250 --> 00:12:05.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, and it's a pleasure. And and and Kimberly and I are not just colleagues, but we're friends. We've known each other for quite a number of years through a wonderful organization you've heard me mentioned before the Evolutionary Business Council and the the relationships with the people I I've met through. There is one of the reasons why that organization is always so near and dear to my heart. So it's a pleasure to finally have you come on the show.
00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:07.430 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, thank you, Sam.
00:12:08.160 --> 00:12:22.549 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So for our audience, who might not know you. Let's just talk about your background a little bit before we go to our 1st break. So were you always on a very spiritual path, were you? You know.
00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:28.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know. Did you see angels as a little girl? Or was this something that kind of evolved later in life.
00:12:28.850 --> 00:12:30.620 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I'm a preacher's kid.
00:12:30.940 --> 00:12:31.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Aha!
00:12:33.680 --> 00:12:36.290 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And my grandparents were missionaries.
00:12:36.570 --> 00:12:40.019 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and my great-grandparents were preachers.
00:12:40.280 --> 00:12:41.015 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So
00:12:41.790 --> 00:12:52.209 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: If I was in the Hindu culture, you know, I would be in that particular caste, and, in fact, my grandparents were missionaries to India, where my father and his older brother were born.
00:12:52.410 --> 00:12:53.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh!
00:12:53.230 --> 00:12:58.329 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So. I picked well, I chose. Well, when I picked this life
00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:04.757 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I started to have mystical experiences in my teens, and so yes.
00:13:05.250 --> 00:13:06.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, wow!
00:13:06.390 --> 00:13:10.052 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Was my sole calling to bring bring in
00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:16.279 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: the areas of spirituality that have been placed into my heart and soul.
00:13:16.280 --> 00:13:16.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Morning.
00:13:16.910 --> 00:13:17.930 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: This purpose.
00:13:18.330 --> 00:13:23.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Just out of curiosity. Do you remember what your very 1st mystical experience was as a teenager.
00:13:23.430 --> 00:13:33.389 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Yes, I was, I think, about 15. I was at a summer camp, a Christian summer camp, because my dad was a Presbyterian minister. I got to go every year.
00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:38.620 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and it was on Catalina Island, off the coast of California, off of Long Beach
00:13:38.630 --> 00:13:39.405 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and
00:13:40.310 --> 00:13:47.600 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: They had us, all of us little campers out around a bonfire in the on a beautiful starry summer night.
00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:48.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:13:48.170 --> 00:13:50.899 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And we were, you know, they had us praying
00:13:51.400 --> 00:13:53.059 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: to Lord Jesus.
00:13:53.350 --> 00:13:54.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:13:54.050 --> 00:14:06.779 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So in my I I remember my prayer. I was praying, Lord Jesus, I just want you to hold me. I want to know you. I want you to hold me, and I felt a hand on my shoulder, and you know I was a pretty twitchy, jumpy kid.
00:14:08.060 --> 00:14:14.360 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So I I, you know, twitched and jumped and looked around, and there wasn't even anybody near me. I was kind of off on my own in the back.
00:14:14.640 --> 00:14:15.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:28.670 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Went back into my prayer again, and I'm praying. Oh, Lord Jesus, please come to me! Hold me! Let me know you're here! And I felt that hand on my shoulder. Again and again I opened my eyes and jumped, because you know how sometimes kids will tap your shoulder and then run off.
00:14:28.670 --> 00:14:29.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:14:29.330 --> 00:14:32.749 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: There was nobody anywhere near me who could have even done that.
00:14:33.110 --> 00:14:50.309 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So 3rd time I go back into my prayer, Lord Jesus, hold me be with me. I want to know you're here. And once again I felt this really gentle hand on my shoulder, and it finally occurred to me that my prayer was actually being answered, and Lord Jesus was saying, I'm here with you, I'm here with you.
00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:58.809 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And then, when I relaxed into that, I felt this warmth of love transfer from that hand into my heart.
00:14:58.900 --> 00:15:01.979 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So that was my 1st experience with mysticism.
00:15:02.190 --> 00:15:06.839 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I didn't know what it was, cause, you know. No, it wasn't part of my education.
00:15:07.130 --> 00:15:07.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, right.
00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:26.628 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so it took several years for me to understand what that experience was. You know I just kind of went about my life and forgot about it. But as I started to get mentors like you were talking about your mentor, and I started to learn about spirituality and mysticism. It started to
00:15:27.670 --> 00:15:31.780 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, the Angel started talking to me. You know it's all over from there.
00:15:32.355 --> 00:15:35.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, it's all downhill from there.
00:15:35.890 --> 00:15:42.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So just out of curiosity, since you were preacher's daughter, did did you go to seminary, or did you go to a regular college.
00:15:43.446 --> 00:16:09.083 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I got my bachelor's degree in music performance at a regular college, and I met my lifetime friend and mentor, Reverend Dr. Judith Larkin Reno. The 1st thing she did was to recognize really the calling of my soul, the power of the calling of my soul, and I went through a 2 year ministerial training with her. She didn't want to call it a seminary because she didn't want it to
00:16:13.580 --> 00:16:17.009 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: She didn't want people to be confused about what it was.
00:16:18.730 --> 00:16:38.759 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so she called it. A school of ministry rather than a seminary was. It's part of Gateway University that was my 1st introduction to Gateway University, and through that I got to meet an incredible group of people, and, like your experience with your mentor, we were together for many years.
00:16:38.910 --> 00:16:48.930 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: deepening our relationships, building that atmosphere of trust where we could share our deepest fear and pain and sorrow.
00:16:48.930 --> 00:16:50.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:16:50.495 --> 00:16:52.920 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: To to release them and.
00:16:53.390 --> 00:16:54.000 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And
00:16:54.800 --> 00:17:01.090 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and make lifelong friendships. I'm still friends with many of those people from the 19
00:17:01.140 --> 00:17:02.280 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: eighties.
00:17:02.520 --> 00:17:11.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! Wonderful, wonderful, awesome. Okay, so so let let's pause for a moment and go to break. And when we come back
00:17:11.841 --> 00:17:16.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I just want to get into sort of how you went from being
00:17:17.060 --> 00:17:27.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a student at gateway to actually running gateway and like, when what was it that made you decide that like this was going to be what you do for the rest of your life.
00:17:27.290 --> 00:17:33.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and really, what? What sort of prompted you to bring the spirituality to a place of
00:17:34.050 --> 00:17:37.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of of being the center of your life. Okay.
00:17:37.900 --> 00:17:38.480 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Okay.
00:17:38.930 --> 00:18:01.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to that conscious, consultant hour awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm, Eastern time, right here on talk radio, Dot, Nyc and all over social media. You can find us on Youtube and Facebook and Twitter and Linkedin and twitch, and we will be right back with our guest. Reverend Dr. Kimberly Muruni. In just a moment.
00:20:17.810 --> 00:20:42.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. Yes, there was a new commercial in there. You may have noticed our dear friend Elizabeth Trip, as I had mentioned before, has come back to the station after taking a few years hiatus with her. Show. Nourish the soul. We're very happy to have her back in the station. Make sure you catch her show every Tuesday evening at 6 pm. It's a great, if you like my show you'll love her show as well.
00:20:43.420 --> 00:20:44.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:20:44.580 --> 00:20:47.811 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Kimberly, Reverend Dr. Kimberly Kimberly,
00:20:49.410 --> 00:20:54.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: At what point did the pull of the mystical
00:20:57.730 --> 00:21:02.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: become so strong that you decided to make it sort of the center of your life.
00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:08.149 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I had been a stockbroker and a financial planner
00:21:08.450 --> 00:21:22.488 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and like many of us who are not following our souls calling, I got extraordinarily ill. You know the story, the usual story with autoimmune disorders that nobody knows what to do with.
00:21:24.040 --> 00:21:27.230 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so I started my healing journey.
00:21:27.300 --> 00:21:41.119 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I also had a really nasty divorce and I'd been in therapy for a couple of years, and the therapy wasn't really moving me forward at all. It was, you know, standard kind of marriage and family practice kind of stuff.
00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:57.649 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and one of my fellow stockbrokers came to me one day, and he said, I I just hurts my heart too much to watch you suffer like this. Please go see my friend Judith Larkin Reno, or she was Judith Larkin at that time she could actually help you.
00:21:57.980 --> 00:22:04.959 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So, sure enough, I scheduled a therapy session with Judith, I met her, and she became my godmother. My life.
00:22:06.260 --> 00:22:10.039 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: A spiritual partner. She was the founder of Gateway University.
00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:11.689 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and so I started getting.
00:22:11.690 --> 00:22:13.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where were you physically at that time.
00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.390 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I was in San Diego, in.
00:22:15.390 --> 00:22:16.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: San Diego. Okay.
00:22:16.620 --> 00:22:20.801 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: In the in the United States, San Diego, California, U.S.A.
00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:26.359 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I love it when people say a city, and I have no idea where in the world that might be.
00:22:28.190 --> 00:22:38.429 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So I started with her doing doing therapy, and then she started inviting me. As she got to know me. She invited me to take classes because she was teaching quite a few classes.
00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:39.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You.
00:22:39.040 --> 00:22:47.919 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: From there she invited me to join the two-year Ministry program, and so I was ordained in her very 1st class ever. I'm Minister number 10.
00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow!
00:22:50.201 --> 00:23:10.420 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And and so, from there, I started so I got very sick. And I had to quit working for a variety of reasons. But when I came out of that illness the angels came to me and started to help me to recover, and the result of that was my angel. Blessings, cards.
00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:11.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh!
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.820 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Many people might know my might recognize my angel. Blessings, cards! Oh, I've got to
00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.970 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Archangel Raphael there, healing on the end.
00:23:19.389 --> 00:23:22.630 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And oh, for those of you who care! It's
00:23:22.670 --> 00:23:26.970 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Charmian, the Angel of Harmony, who's with us today helping us.
00:23:26.970 --> 00:23:28.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, okay.
00:23:28.490 --> 00:23:51.412 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So when I wrote Angel Blessings cards, Judith told me you need more education where you're going. So she encouraged me to do my Master's degree in angelology. From all of my understanding I am the only one in well, I was the 1st one in the world to ever have a Master's degree in angelology. Then I've seen a few of them here and there, like 2.
00:23:52.650 --> 00:24:08.880 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And and then after that she said, well, now you need. So I continue to to publish, write, and publish books, she said. Now you need your doctorate, and I really argued with her on that. I said, I don't like academia. I didn't enjoy my master's degree. I sure as heck don't want a doctorate.
00:24:08.930 --> 00:24:12.848 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: But she, she persisted, and over time, you know, she wore me down.
00:24:14.130 --> 00:24:20.640 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and you know, speaking of trust and vulnerability, I trusted her because everything she had ever of
00:24:21.290 --> 00:24:24.230 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: forecast about me actually came true.
00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:24.940 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I know.
00:24:24.940 --> 00:24:33.700 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: But she would do things like she'd call me, and she'd say, you know, I was just looking at your chart, and your north nodes are acting up. You might be noticing these things in your life. Well, this is what you do about it.
00:24:34.510 --> 00:24:36.649 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: but you know she did that for me.
00:24:37.616 --> 00:24:38.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good night.
00:24:38.310 --> 00:24:45.244 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so I I agreed. I I she dragged me, kicking and screaming through my own doctoral journey.
00:24:45.630 --> 00:24:46.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:50.930 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: But I did finish. I I completed and became Dr. Kimberly.
00:24:51.010 --> 00:24:56.439 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I didn't know what to do with it. I didn't tell anybody, for like 10 years. I didn't tell.
00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:02.425 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: you know. I told my mom and dad, and they said, That's nice, dear.
00:25:04.840 --> 00:25:08.680 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So it was a bit it was. It was a funny thing for me.
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:09.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:25:09.620 --> 00:25:10.389 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So they've been.
00:25:10.510 --> 00:25:17.599 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Then Judith got really ill, and she started asking me if I would be her successor. So it wasn't my idea.
00:25:18.545 --> 00:25:19.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:29.089 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Talked to me for 5 years before I was willing to say yes, and the way that happened was spirit came after me. You know you know how that works.
00:25:29.875 --> 00:25:30.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes.
00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:34.463 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: The the longer you delay in saying yes, the more you suffer.
00:25:35.810 --> 00:25:36.840 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Absolutely.
00:25:36.840 --> 00:25:38.639 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Life doesn't support
00:25:40.010 --> 00:25:43.509 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: any other choice. At some point, you know. At some point
00:25:43.640 --> 00:26:07.270 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: life will only support the direction you're supposed to go, which makes it really evident to us. So I started to have dreams. At night. I'd started to see visions. In my meditation. I started to feel what the next direction for Gateway University was. And so finally, I just said, All right. Okay. So then she lived another 5 years after that she kept herself alive for
00:26:07.290 --> 00:26:10.359 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: 20 years on a 0. Life expectancy.
00:26:10.360 --> 00:26:11.060 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So she.
00:26:11.060 --> 00:26:27.629 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Wait for me to say yes, and you know, looking back, I I'm I'm a little sad, but also, you know, everything is for a purpose. So it allowed me to come to a level of maturity where I could, you know, put those shoes on, if you want to call it that.
00:26:27.630 --> 00:26:28.500 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:39.180 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And then, so she had done all the paperwork. I'd met the Board of Directors, you know. There was the resolutions for this and that, and the other thing that you have to have in the 5 0. 1 c. 3. Corporate world.
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.473 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And then she called me
00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:44.500 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: one day and said, Come, come now.
00:26:45.210 --> 00:27:04.310 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: so it was quite a long distance. I hopped in the car and drove the 1,500 miles to get there, and she spent 4 days with me, giving, signing over all the papers to me, turning in her resignation, giving me all of the corporate documents she meticulously had prepared
00:27:04.610 --> 00:27:13.170 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: like 15 bankers, boxes of the corporate records, and went through everything with me. What I needed to do, what I needed to know as the President.
00:27:13.520 --> 00:27:20.459 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You know I wished much later that she had been able to live longer, because I could have used a lot more tutelage.
00:27:21.490 --> 00:27:38.929 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: As it was, I had to figure it out myself, but she's always with me. She's always whispering in my ear, and that's been very sweet. So that's how I stepped into the shoes of president, Gateway University, kicking and screaming all the way, finally saying, Okay, yeah, I can do this.
00:27:38.930 --> 00:27:39.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:44.369 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Then that I realized that I needed to have a doctorate to be president of the University.
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:59.989 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: to be both a minister and a doctor, because gateway is a church university, which means that we have a status that allows us to do different things than some other kinds of educational institutions.
00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:14.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I'm curious you mentioned your parents just a minute ago, given their sort of more traditional background. How were they with all this when you became a minister, and then head of this this unusual university.
00:28:14.360 --> 00:28:17.500 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, my mom was certain I was on the path to devil to the.
00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Definitely.
00:28:18.030 --> 00:28:25.830 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You didn't. She didn't mince any words telling me I was on the path to the devil, and I'd say, stuff like, Well, Mom, look at my life!
00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:29.710 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Look at, look at who look at my husband, look at my friend.
00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:39.699 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: At what I'm doing in life. Everything about me is about loving connection. It's about grace, it's about healing.
00:28:40.490 --> 00:28:41.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm.
00:28:42.140 --> 00:28:43.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:46.349 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: The fruits of my labours in.
00:28:46.350 --> 00:28:46.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right.
00:28:46.850 --> 00:28:47.759 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I'm just, you know.
00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:51.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right, exactly. Exactly. So. She eventually came around.
00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:57.677 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: She did, and it was funny, because in the end of her life she'd stay stuff like. Oh, dear! I always believed in you.
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.295 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, I don't quite remember it that way. I'm glad you do.
00:29:02.550 --> 00:29:13.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right. Right? Well, she may have always believed in you. But let's just say she kept those words to herself. Yeah, interesting and.
00:29:13.350 --> 00:29:16.479 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I I was fortunate. I had really good parents.
00:29:16.800 --> 00:29:23.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and what about you? Know your your husband, your children? How did they respond to all this?
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:28.520 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I don't have children. I'm I'm I'm a childless cat. Lady.
00:29:28.520 --> 00:29:30.435 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:34.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But your friends, let's say.
00:29:35.170 --> 00:29:35.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay.
00:29:35.670 --> 00:29:52.880 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Yeah, so I do have a husband. He's wonderful. We met on the spiritual path. So we're very aligned in our inner life, which makes a huge difference in a long term relationship together now over 20 years. And there's a because of our our past experience
00:29:52.880 --> 00:30:14.390 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: on our spiritual paths together. There's a a language of communication that we learn together through that that makes it easy for us to share. And he has been really wonderful, because, speaking of vulnerability. He's been the only partner in my life that I ever felt completely safe with.
00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:15.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: To.
00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:19.210 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Able to say anything to to share my feelings.
00:30:20.560 --> 00:30:30.279 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: But what we've learned together is that it's important to be responsible when you're sharing your feelings with your partner. It's not allowed to just dump your crap out on them. Excuse me
00:30:30.300 --> 00:30:34.669 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: to dump your pain. It's not allowable to just dump your pain on them.
00:30:35.281 --> 00:30:43.310 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: That that with spiritual maturity comes a different kind of sharing where you're able to
00:30:43.370 --> 00:30:50.332 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: express fear and pain in a way that is healing and not damaging.
00:30:51.855 --> 00:30:53.907 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: very cool, very cool.
00:30:54.500 --> 00:31:16.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: all right. It it's time for us to take our next break. I'd love to get into really what is Gateway University? What is it all about? What kinds of doctorates do you get at gateway? And and who is a gateway really designed for? So that if if some of our listeners can identify themselves, maybe and say, Oh, like, that's something I'd be interested in.
00:31:18.250 --> 00:31:37.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright wonderful. And I do see loyal listener, Patty tuning in on Youtube. Thank you so much, Patty. Glad you're here with us this week, and of course, thank you to all of my loyal listeners, and you're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. And we'll be right back with my guest, Reverend Dr. Kimberly Marooni. In just a moment.
00:33:44.380 --> 00:34:02.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And welcome back. So Dr. Kimberly. Tell us a bit about Gateway University. You mentioned a little bit already about how it's a a different kind of university. What is the whole mission of gateway? What is it about? Who is it for.
00:34:02.810 --> 00:34:10.879 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So gateway is for those of us who have picked a perhaps an alternate path in life.
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:22.228 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: If you're listening to the conscious consultant there hour. It's likely that we're aligned. So consciousness is our our middle name or our 1st name.
00:34:23.489 --> 00:34:41.019 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Oh, Gateway University is a school for the study of higher consciousness. That's our whole name. And and so we have degree programs for things like transpersonal education, transpersonal psychology, energy, psychology, spiritual psychology.
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:53.489 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: consciousness and human potential. That's in our our school of transformation. We also have a school of conscious business which is about entrepreneurial entrepreneurship and leadership.
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.189 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And we also have the school of ministry.
00:34:56.359 --> 00:34:57.134 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: so
00:34:58.049 --> 00:35:11.309 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: for those of us who come for a degree, we can also offer a ministerial ordination, an interfaith ministerial ordination to allow people who need that in their work, going forward.
00:35:11.780 --> 00:35:18.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm, and and is, is gateway a a physical university? Or is it a virtual university?
00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:27.929 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: At this point we're virtual. So I'm up in Washington State on the Olympic Peninsula in a really beautiful area. But I'm pretty remote out here.
00:35:27.930 --> 00:35:28.795 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:35:29.962 --> 00:35:32.077 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So we do, we do have a
00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:46.929 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: a hybrid learning system. So part of the lessons are online, it's mentored. So even the online lessons are mentored. So there's that personal contact. And then, periodically, we have live events for our students
00:35:47.360 --> 00:36:01.689 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: to where we get together in person and do the kinds of things that we can't do really on zoom. And that really has to do with deepening our emotional connection with each other and with that vulnerability question.
00:36:01.910 --> 00:36:06.270 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: because the Doctoral journey can be pretty lonely.
00:36:06.350 --> 00:36:15.419 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so it's important to have that community of support, of connection, of encouragement, of inspiration where we help each other.
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:19.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm! And and who would you say
00:36:20.580 --> 00:36:23.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it? It's 4 in terms of like
00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:30.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, how would somebody know like, Oh, this! This sounds like the right fit for me.
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:54.170 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So we're for thought leaders for conscious entrepreneurs who are hitting up against the ceiling of some sort. They're having difficulty breaking through into bigger onto bigger stages into bigger collaborations with partners. You know. They see they see the other people up on the big stage, and they're they're kind of on the B team, but they're really ready to break through into the A team.
00:36:54.230 --> 00:37:00.530 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And as one of our students noticed, she was trying to figure out, what, what's wrong? What's the problem?
00:37:00.810 --> 00:37:12.839 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: She would submit her proposals to speak on stages, and she'd get declined. And she said, when she was looking at the speakers who was approved, who were approved. Every single woman had a Phd.
00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:22.030 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And another of our current students. Our current cohort doctoral cohort, attended a
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:31.909 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: a big coaching event, and said that he noticed that the best speakers were all Phds, and they had a different formula for their talk.
00:37:31.930 --> 00:37:42.434 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: They were bringing in much more fact, based information rather than just storytelling. So their story included a much deeper
00:37:43.820 --> 00:37:45.440 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: body of knowledge.
00:37:46.450 --> 00:38:01.359 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And that gave them a deeper level of credibility. It increased their expert status dramatically, and that there was a huge difference. He noticed a huge difference between the speakers who had a doctorate and the ones who didn't.
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:11.610 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So there's just a level of deepening that happens, a level of maturity that happens because it's it's not an easy path, you know. It takes a while.
00:38:11.660 --> 00:38:27.200 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: It takes some persistence and some determination and courage it. There's a lot of vulnerability that happens. I bet a fair, fairly good percentage of the mentor sessions I do with our doctoral cohort have some therapy involved in them
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:45.460 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: because we are pushed up against our fears. We're pushed up against our deepest issues and our greatest fears to push through and make it to the end of a doctorate. It's also extremely rewarding and and an incredible experience.
00:38:45.890 --> 00:38:47.620 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, so, if.
00:38:47.620 --> 00:38:53.649 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Even the students who said when they 1st came, you know, I really don't want the transformation part. I'm just here for the degree.
00:38:53.650 --> 00:38:54.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I.
00:38:54.300 --> 00:39:02.870 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Watch them go through this remarkable transformation, and become really even more incredible people, as as Dr. Them
00:39:04.520 --> 00:39:20.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How long is the doctoral program? Typically, I mean, imagine that most people are probably working or have a business themselves. So it's not the kind of thing they can devote to full time. So like someone coming on a part time basis, how long would it take them to get through the program.
00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:26.950 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: We're that's that's another thing that's unique about us. We're not set up to create academics.
00:39:27.190 --> 00:39:29.249 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: We're set up to
00:39:29.350 --> 00:39:33.958 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: to create research entrepreneurs research.
00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:36.370 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: speakers.
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:53.870 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: people who have the a much deeper capacity. So on a part, time basis, we're set up for part time basis. You know, we don't have a place where you go and live. You don't come here and work. You continue in your own work because our people are all they have families, they have businesses.
00:39:54.120 --> 00:40:06.789 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and and their dissertation is a complement to their business. So it's not like you have to leave your business and come over here and put all your attention on doing a doctorate.
00:40:06.790 --> 00:40:27.210 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: There's a symbiotic relationship between the dissertation and your work. Your dissertation is deepening your understanding of your work and helping to bring a much greater sense of maturity into it, of wisdom into it, of power and expert authority into it.
00:40:27.370 --> 00:40:34.769 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So it takes about our average is about 24 months from start to finish, which is incredibly fast.
00:40:34.770 --> 00:40:46.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, yeah, that is, that is. And I remember talking to you about this, and for people like myself, like, I only have an undergraduate degree. I don't have a graduate degree.
00:40:46.330 --> 00:40:53.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I've been around the block many times. There. There are ways to accommodate that. You said.
00:40:53.810 --> 00:41:05.919 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. So. 1st we start with your Master's degree and get that completed. We take advantage of a nationally known program that was developed by the
00:41:06.100 --> 00:41:15.669 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: postsecondary counsel on accreditation many years ago, 40 or 50 years ago, where they were able to recognize that learning happens off campus.
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm! What a concept.
00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:28.580 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: They really the universities really had trouble with that they actually still do, but they also use it. They don't promote it. They don't let you know it's there, because.
00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:30.920 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Because you lose tuition.
00:41:30.950 --> 00:41:38.540 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So the way it works is that we evaluate your life work, the work that you've done. The
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.500 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Well, everything you've done. We we evaluate everything that you've done, and we give you university credit for it.
00:41:45.890 --> 00:41:49.850 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and then, like for your masters, you finish up the last
00:41:50.300 --> 00:41:53.199 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: maybe 25% of your degree.
00:41:53.370 --> 00:41:57.405 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And and actually what you're doing, there is
00:41:59.130 --> 00:42:04.979 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: work that will not only move your business forward, but will help to prepare you for your doctorate.
00:42:06.410 --> 00:42:13.550 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: so you can finish up your master's degree in just a you know, 4, 5, 6 months, depending on how much time you have.
00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:20.600 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Get your Master's degree done. Do your graduation. We do graduations. They're so much fun.
00:42:20.600 --> 00:42:21.045 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:42:21.490 --> 00:42:25.339 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Oh, regalia! You know we do the whole thing, the cap and gown. It's fun.
00:42:25.845 --> 00:42:26.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:42:26.350 --> 00:42:29.822 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Invite friends. We have guest speakers from time to time. It's pretty fun.
00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.339 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so then
00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:45.009 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: go on to your doctorate, and again you have a head start on your doctorate, so you don't have to do all 90 units you've already completed. What do we give you up to? About a 3rd credit now
00:42:45.080 --> 00:42:52.899 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: for your doctorate, and then there is some more work that you need to do to prepare to begin your dissertation.
00:42:53.070 --> 00:42:53.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And.
00:42:53.700 --> 00:43:01.449 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So from there we just jump you right in, and you start working on your dissertation. So if you can put in just 15 HA week.
00:43:01.540 --> 00:43:04.850 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You can finish in about 24 months.
00:43:04.850 --> 00:43:08.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow, wow! And and what kinds of
00:43:10.170 --> 00:43:15.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't know what you call it? Majors to good concentrations do people typically
00:43:15.450 --> 00:43:18.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: focus on when they come to gateway.
00:43:18.680 --> 00:43:34.220 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: We just added energy psychology last year, which I'm very excited about because we got a whole bunch of hypnotherapists who needed an education. So so one of them told me. Most of my recommendations come from the medical field.
00:43:34.220 --> 00:43:54.810 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: The doctor refers me. They come to me, and they start calling me, Dr. Jill, and I'm not a doctor. I have to explain to them. I'm not a doctor, but I need to be, because my clinical work will advance dramatically as Dr. Jill. So that was her motivation that people are already perceiving her that way. She might as well catch up with that.
00:43:55.540 --> 00:44:03.459 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: That's been the story for many of our students that come to us. They say people keep telling me that I should be doctor, you know.
00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:06.640 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Valerie, doctor, whoever you know.
00:44:06.640 --> 00:44:10.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yes, yes. Okay, so so energy psychology. What other kinds of concentration.
00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:13.891 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Energy, psychology, consciousness and human potential
00:44:14.530 --> 00:44:22.620 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: conscious business leadership, conscious entrepreneurship, transpersonal psychology has been really important for many people.
00:44:22.620 --> 00:44:23.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Man.
00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:24.806 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Who are bringing
00:44:26.180 --> 00:44:32.560 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: transpersonal means. You're going beyond the personal going into realms of the whole being.
00:44:32.950 --> 00:44:33.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You.
00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:41.980 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Bringing, bringing the knowledge, the brilliance of the whole being together in not only yourself, but also in your clients, in your work.
00:44:42.290 --> 00:44:42.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that's.
00:44:42.890 --> 00:44:55.740 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Transpersonal psychology or transpersonal education. A number of our students have some kind of a school or or a healing center, or something like that transpersonal psychology, or they have a clinical practice.
00:44:55.740 --> 00:44:56.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Trans, person.
00:44:56.590 --> 00:44:58.800 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Psychology is perfect for that.
00:44:59.160 --> 00:45:05.270 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And then spiritual psychology. My doctorate was in spiritual psychology, because that's me.
00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:12.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Cool, cool, and it is gateway accredited.
00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:16.030 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: No, we're not accredited because.
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:32.229 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: we're a church university. So as a church university we don't need to be. And in the accreditation world. There have to be other universities who are doing what you do. So the whole premise of accreditation means, if you transfer from A to B
00:45:32.650 --> 00:45:40.539 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: B should recognize at least a portion of the courses that you did at a, which means that you have to have similar courses to have
00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:45.639 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: transference from 1 1 transcript to another, from one institution to another.
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.849 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and when gateway started in 1,986, there were no other consciousness universities.
00:45:52.250 --> 00:46:10.040 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And now there are a few. So one of the things I do as President is, I keep an eye out on what other consciousness universities are popping up, and what curriculum are they offering? And as I see other institutions popping up, I look for our similar courses. I try to align our titles.
00:46:10.040 --> 00:46:10.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So.
00:46:10.928 --> 00:46:16.890 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You know I try to align our, you know I just our curriculum, because I've got no control over theirs.
00:46:17.580 --> 00:46:39.799 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Constantly making little adjustments in our curriculum to align with other institutions, so that when we do come to the point where we can apply for accreditation. We'll already be in alignment. So a lot of what I do as President is making sure that all of our procedures, our processes, our admin how we protect the privacy of our our students.
00:46:39.940 --> 00:46:47.250 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Everything is in alignment with standard acceptable accreditation requirements.
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:58.279 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You know what like, what we give one unit for is in alignment with the golden standard in the academic world of what you get a unit of credit for. So we're lining up for that.
00:46:58.470 --> 00:47:04.099 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: At this point I'm not aware of an accrediting organization that would be suitable for us.
00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:08.520 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: But there! But there will be as we go forward there will be.
00:47:08.930 --> 00:47:16.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so, even though you're not accredited. But people can still say they have a Phd. That they're a doctor.
00:47:16.520 --> 00:47:20.239 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Oh, yes, our degrees are real. Our doctorate is real.
00:47:20.873 --> 00:47:22.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright, wonderful.
00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:24.340 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: By the time you graduate. You know that.
00:47:24.642 --> 00:47:46.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You've been through. You get the idea wonderful. All right. We we gotta take our last break of the show. Got. I could. I could talk with you for hours around this stuff. So when we come back we just wanna wrap it up and maybe talk about. What do you love about running gateway so much. And and you know what is your message out there to people who are
00:47:46.770 --> 00:47:51.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in this crazy world of spirituality? And and
00:47:51.220 --> 00:48:04.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and yeah, we'll see. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity, my guest, this hour has been Reverend Dr. Kimberly Muruni, and we'll be right back to wrap it all up in just a moment.
00:50:14.310 --> 00:50:15.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So, Dr. Kimberly.
00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:20.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious. What do you love about running gateway and what you do.
00:50:20.740 --> 00:50:23.219 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I'm totally shocked. How much I love this
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.470 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I never would have guessed, and that's why I think it took me so long to say yes to Judith.
00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:37.370 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: but I love most watching people blossom into much deeper, more spiritually mature
00:50:37.420 --> 00:50:39.410 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: levels of themselves
00:50:40.370 --> 00:50:49.970 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: as they dive deeper into the real work of understanding who they are, what their mission is, and really the power of the work that they've been called to bring forward.
00:50:50.070 --> 00:51:04.890 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So this is where the rubber hits the road. So, as an example, in one of our doctoral cohorts, where we got together, live in person, we went to Sedona and rented this big, beautiful mansion and the whole focus for it was
00:51:05.100 --> 00:51:07.340 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: once you are a doctor, you!
00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:24.989 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: How do you want this doctorate to support you in the world going forward. What stages do you want to be on? Who do you want to be collaborating with? What's your key message? What are you bringing? What power, what superpower are you bringing to the world? Let's make sure that that gets into your dissertation.
00:51:25.665 --> 00:51:26.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm
00:51:27.230 --> 00:51:28.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: nice nice.
00:51:28.630 --> 00:51:35.409 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: That's what I love the most, really looking forward at. What's this for? What's your purpose for it? So that.
00:51:35.410 --> 00:51:35.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's.
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:47.200 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Driven. It supports your life, purpose, your sole mission. It's purpose driven work that is powerful and beautiful. And so, you know, I feel like the fairy godmother here.
00:51:47.513 --> 00:51:53.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So it's not just about getting some extra initials at the end of your name. It's how is this
00:51:53.550 --> 00:52:11.200 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: degree gonna impact your business, your life, your career, how you show up in the world it it's how is this really going to support you and and help you to achieve the kinds of things that you want to achieve in your life.
00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:14.500 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Right, and part of that is owning up to what do you really want?
00:52:15.270 --> 00:52:21.360 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: One of our cohort, one of our students in that discovered that she actually wants to be a media mogul.
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:37.610 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and she didn't know that before she started to know with us. She's got a little magazine. It's not little. It's a wonderful magazine. But she discovered that what she really wants is to become a very influential media Mogul, and that happened at Sedona as we kept pushing her
00:52:38.530 --> 00:52:52.300 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: bigger. Think, bigger, think bigger. What is it, really? And that's when our our true being can come through and really share with us the vision that terrifies us, that we're not really ready to hear.
00:52:53.080 --> 00:53:07.599 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: That's what's happening in that doctoral process. That's what's happened for me as I've put on the shoes of President is, it's pushed me into a place in myself that I was too terrified to look at before I actually got here.
00:53:07.932 --> 00:53:14.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So so what is the most difficult part for you of of running this university, and being the president of gateway.
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.149 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I'm not trained for this.
00:53:19.220 --> 00:53:29.198 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: you know, for the business part I I'm the President. I'm really the CEO I I do a lot that I didn't realize I had a capacity to do.
00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:34.630 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So, you know, looking back, I realize I have been trained for this.
00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:56.726 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: and not only that, but spirit sends me all the most amazing people just when I most need them to help me let go of different aspects, and to trust that they can take this one on and take it forward. So it's been learning to be a team player learning to do the deeper admin stuff learning about. Oh, my God! The Federal regulation stuff! Holy, Moly.
00:53:57.050 --> 00:54:00.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I'm sure there's tremendous amount of regulation.
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:00.319 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And we.
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:00.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Paperwork.
00:54:00.850 --> 00:54:02.755 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Doing it right.
00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How many people do you graduate a year roughly.
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.840 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: We're small. So we have about 15 in our cohort now. And it, you know, it depends all depends on. Are they ready to graduate.
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:27.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Right? Right? So I imagine, because it's small people get a lot of attention. You know, you're not just a number. But it's really you're you're an individual. When you go to gateway.
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:42.925 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Yes, and that's why students can move much faster, because we're giving you personal individualized attention. So you're not just left out wandering in the weeds I've you know I've hold. I we many of us have probably heard stories about
00:54:43.805 --> 00:54:50.169 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: getting most of the way through a huge paper or a big dissertation, and then somebody new looks at it says, Oh, no, no.
00:54:50.170 --> 00:54:50.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah.
00:54:51.740 --> 00:54:54.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yes, yes, and all that work goes out. The window.
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.430 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Right right. You have to do it my way.
00:54:57.430 --> 00:54:58.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah.
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.000 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Yeah, we don't do it like that. No.
00:55:01.493 --> 00:55:07.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And loyal listener, Megan says, sending love to you, Reverend Dr. Kimberly.
00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:10.387 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Look back at you.
00:55:12.210 --> 00:55:14.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and just real quick.
00:55:14.850 --> 00:55:16.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where do you see
00:55:16.430 --> 00:55:22.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the future for gateway like W. Like, where are you moving? What? What's in front of you. I guess.
00:55:23.630 --> 00:55:29.110 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I was called to expand gateway quite dramatically from how it was when I 1st received it.
00:55:30.010 --> 00:55:31.223 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And so
00:55:31.900 --> 00:55:52.500 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Judith Larkin, Larkin Reno did an incredible job. We have a massive amount of intellectual property. She set up all of our our procedures and our policies that we still actively use, even though we're also learning how to expand upon them. The one who set forward the federal regulations that we need to know.
00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:59.771 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: You know she tuned me into them so that I'm not making mistakes. I'm taking us forward in in in compliance.
00:56:01.020 --> 00:56:19.599 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: And and so I see gateway as becoming a really important hub in the consciousness world in the Thought Leader World. Important hub for higher education, because there aren't really many institutions that are approaching higher education, postgraduate work quite the way we do
00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:30.289 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: where it's personalized. It's focused. It can happen pretty quickly. It happens in connection with your work, not apart from your work.
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:40.030 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: So we have some really wonderful advantages that we're bringing forward that I would just love to see become a hub.
00:56:40.580 --> 00:56:42.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful wonderful.
00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:52.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So unfortunately, we're out of time. I wish I had more time. If people want to learn more about you and about gateway. Where do they go? Where do they find you? Online?
00:56:52.630 --> 00:56:57.060 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: Go to gatewayuniversity.org. Everything you need to know is there.
00:56:57.060 --> 00:56:59.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, wonderful, wonderful.
00:57:00.030 --> 00:57:19.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Reverend Dr. Kimberly. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to come on the show. It's been a pleasure to have you. I I look forward to seeing how gateway grows over the years, and and who knows? Maybe there's a a higher degree in my future.
00:57:20.010 --> 00:57:23.630 Rev. Dr. Kimberly Marooney: I would love that, Sam. I would absolutely love to mentor you.
00:57:23.630 --> 00:57:25.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, thank you, thank you, darling.
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:49.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and of course, thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in every week. Without you there is no show and don't forget. If you did miss any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talk, radio, Nyc and on all the major podcasting platforms, apple, Pandora, Iheart radio spotify. Wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find the conscious consultant hour.
00:57:49.824 --> 00:58:12.889 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Don't forget coming up next. It's Dr. Richard Lewis Miller, Miller and his show, mind, body, health, and politics later today, followed by Frank Harrison and show Frank about health, and we finish off the week on Friday mornings at 10 Am. With Tommy Demisa and his show philanthropy and focus. Thank you all for tuning in. Take care we will talk to you all next week.
00:58:13.350 --> 00:58:14.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Bye-bye.
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