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Facebook Live Video from 2023/11/07 - Authenticity vs Authority: The Tricky Balance of Mastering Both

Facebook Live Video from 2023/11/07 - Authenticity vs Authority: The Tricky Balance of Mastering Both


2023/11/07 - Authenticity vs Authority: The Tricky Balance of Mastering Both

[NEW EPISODE] Authenticity vs Authority: The Tricky Balance of Mastering Both

Tuesdays: 5:00pm - 6:00pm (EST)                              


1) Why authenticity is one of the most essential skills to be a successful leader in our new world of work.  

2) How to show up authentically while not undermining your authority

3) Tips for developing a more authentic professional identity

In this new world of work, it's essential for leaders to be changing the way they show up in the world - to stand out from the noise, connect with younger generations, create thriving cultures, gain influence, and create their greatest impact. But it's often a balancing act between showing up "authentically," yet still with your authority. Or being vulnerable, but still credible. Learn insights and tips on how to develop a more authentic presence and amplify your voice. Become a magnet for opportunity and feel more fulfilled in your work. 

Laura Fravel is an Executive Communications Coach & Facilitator, who helps leaders elevate their voice and influence - internally to motivate teams and create thriving cultures, and externally to develop thought leadership and confidently master the media and stages. Laura has coached Fortune 100 & 500 executives, from Adidas to PwC, and facilitates leadership workshops for such companies as Warner-Bros. Discovery's global leadership team. She has a strong background in storytelling, from 20 years in TV & media, and brings an adventurous spirit (from many years working with National Geographic) to all that she does.  She believes your authentic voice is the key to unlocking opportunity and creating your greatest impact.

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Show Notes

Segment  1

On this episode of The Hard Skills, Dr. Mira Brancu is joined by Executive Communications Coach and Facilitator, Laura Fravel. They will be discussing why authenticity is important and essential in order to be a successful leader, how authenticity will not undermine authority, and how to develop a more authentic identity in the workplace. To start the conversation, we explore Laura’s background, which includes her work in different television networks, including National Geographic, and her current work as an executive communications coach and facilitator. They also discussed the value of storytelling and the transition from being a hardworking employee to becoming a voice of the company. It is important to find a way to connect as humans in order to trust a specific person to lead and to bring people to accomplish a common goal.

Segment 2

After the first break, we return to Dr. Brancu and Laura discussing showing up authentically and navigating as a leader. They return to the point of using effective communication to connect people to seem more relatable, and memorable, and bring a human element to the workplace. Laura emphasized that professionalism doesn't equate to perfection and that displaying vulnerability, and our flaws, and overcoming challenges can make someone more human and relatable. Dr. Brancu brings up a good point about marginalized communities receiving negative judgment about expressing their true identity and how they express it. However, Laura counters that fear by observing our mindset and figuring out where the fear comes from in the first place. The discussion concluded with Mira highlighting the power individuals have to make decisions and take agency in their workplace.

Segment 3

As the show progresses, Dr. Brancu and Laura dive into the definition of “dipping our toes into the water,” specifically looking at small steps to what people can do to start showing up authentically. Laura suggested that people can take small steps by considering their audience when presenting, connecting with them, and establishing a common ground. Dr. Brancu makes two points relating to Laura’s suggestions, which are how to maintain being true to oneself and how to meet the other person to establish common ground. Dr. Brancu also emphasized the need for authenticity, impact, and influence in presentations and leadership, while Laura stressed the importance of understanding the audience and delivering a message that connects with them. They both agree that knowing yourself is important and is the basis when developing their own leadership identity.

Segment 4

To close out the episode, Dr. Brancu and Laura discuss the importance of authenticity in leadership and how it can inspire others. Dr. Brancu highlights being clear, expressing your interests, and sharing your “why” with others will inspire others to follow your leadership and to get support for a specific goal. Laura revisits the stumbling block between authenticity and vulnerability and how to utilize it when in the workplace. Laura also wants to encourage listeners to take a daring adventure, step outside their comfort zone, and do something a little different. To anyone who may be interested in contacting Laura about what was discussed in the episode, please visit her website ( or reach out on her LinkedIn. 


00:00:45.610 --> 00:01:10.800 Mira Brancu: welcome welcome to the hard skills show. And podcast with me, Dr. Mira Branku. I work with leaders in healthcare, research, stem and other technical fields, who want to develop an authentic leadership identity and create a healthy, inclusive workplace environment to retain the best people, doing the best work, in other words, developing the hard skills needed to make a greater impact.

00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:25.820 Mira Brancu: Now, this season, we're focusing on developing identity. The second stage of my strategic leadership, pathway model. And today we are talking with Laura fravel about authenticity versus authority.

00:01:25.980 --> 00:01:38.770 Mira Brancu: the tricky balance of mastering both. I love love, love, love, love this topic, because it comes up constantly in coaching conversations and in our towerscope Leadership Academy.

00:01:38.850 --> 00:01:40.229 Mira Brancu: And

00:01:40.250 --> 00:01:48.929 Mira Brancu: so I'm really looking forward to learning a little bit more from her about this. Now remember that we value evidence-based practical solutions. So

00:01:48.990 --> 00:01:58.769 Mira Brancu: be ready. Take notes. I always do reflect deeply, and identify at least one small step to further develop your hard skill's muscles.

00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:00.320 Mira Brancu: Right? So

00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:09.250 Mira Brancu: Laura Fravel is an executive communications coach and facilitator who helps leaders elevate their voice and influence

00:02:09.710 --> 00:02:19.209 Mira Brancu: internally to motivate teams and create thriving cultures and externally develop thought leadership and confidently master the media and stages.

00:02:19.330 --> 00:02:32.110 Mira Brancu: Laura has coached Fortune 100 500 executives from Adidas to Pwc. And facilitates leadership workshops for such companies as Warner Bros. Discovery's global leadership team.

00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:44.349 Mira Brancu: She has a strong background in storytelling from 20 years in TV and Media, and brings an adventure spirit from many years. Working with National Geographic. Interesting.

00:02:44.730 --> 00:02:56.420 Mira Brancu: She believes your authentic voice is the key to unlocking opportunity and creating your greatest impact. And Laura and I met through a community membership of consultants called The Upside.

00:02:56.490 --> 00:03:03.310 Mira Brancu: So we quickly connected over that, and our interest in authentic leadership style. So welcome, Laura, glad to have you on a show.

00:03:05.910 --> 00:03:07.860 Mira Brancu: and you are on mute.

00:03:08.980 --> 00:03:29.020 Mira Brancu: Sorry about that. Sorry about that. It's great to be here, and it's nice to I'm excited to have this conversation. Yeah, me, too. Me, too. Alright. I'm sure that the first question on people's minds at least, is the first question on my mind is, tell us about your National geographic experience. This is a really interesting, unique experience that you've had.

00:03:29.450 --> 00:03:45.839 Laura Fravel: Yeah. So I worked in TV and media for about almost 20 years and started at National Geographic, where I was on staff and then went contract while also working with other networks and TV outlets

00:03:46.260 --> 00:03:57.899 Laura Fravel: where what my niche was was storytelling. So it was really I did a lot of story development, and then also producing in the field as well. And it was all about finding.

00:03:58.180 --> 00:04:01.609 Laura Fravel: you know, it was documentary television. So it's not scripted.

00:04:01.870 --> 00:04:08.750 Laura Fravel: So it was really about finding those authentic stories real people in real situations.

00:04:09.140 --> 00:04:10.690 Laura Fravel: I was not as much

00:04:10.830 --> 00:04:21.289 Laura Fravel: the producer in the wild hunting down lions. I wasn't that I wasn't as much in the natural history realm. I was a little bit more in the human interest.

00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.830 Laura Fravel: And everyone from

00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:33.910 Laura Fravel: Jane Goodall and Paul Allen to people on death row to Indian snake charmers and everything in between

00:04:34.060 --> 00:04:45.280 Mira Brancu: that is super super interesting. And so then you. So you you had this TV and media, national Geographic experiences 20 years.

00:04:45.420 --> 00:04:54.109 Mira Brancu: How did you move into this idea of helping leaders with their executive communications?

00:04:54.270 --> 00:04:56.710 Laura Fravel: I know it's a good question seems very

00:04:57.410 --> 00:05:10.079 Laura Fravel: separate in my mind. It's so. I was all about finding and TV that one person who could tell the story over the years it kind of

00:05:10.220 --> 00:05:27.220 Laura Fravel: then went into brand marketing as well. So I was helping companies with brand marketing, and that's where I started helping more executives, or whoever the face of the business the stakeholder was that they that was kind of telling the story to the world. So is also doing a lot of media training, helping develop their narrative.

00:05:27.530 --> 00:05:42.589 Laura Fravel: and it was just a very, very natural transition to helping executives tell their story. because it's all we all think we're so ordinary, and we don't have a story to tell.

00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:48.660 Laura Fravel: and we're so in it. and know so much that we don't know what we don't know.

00:05:49.020 --> 00:05:54.110 Laura Fravel: That is, it's so amazing to help people pull out that

00:05:54.550 --> 00:05:59.899 Laura Fravel: seemingly ordinary story which is actually always quite extraordinary.

00:06:00.080 --> 00:06:04.469 Mira Brancu: Yeah. And tell me, when does this come into play like, how does a leader get to this

00:06:05.150 --> 00:06:18.439 Mira Brancu: point where they feel like they need to tell a story about themselves. What are the kind of situations where it's important for them to be able to have this skill set like. What do you see?

00:06:19.760 --> 00:06:26.750 Laura Fravel: I see it happens a lot when a leader goes from that, you know they've been head down, hardworking.

00:06:27.460 --> 00:06:47.190 Laura Fravel: They've done amazing work. So they've gotten to a certain level in their career. And now there's suddenly a voice of a team or a voice of the company. So whether they're having to manage a lot more people internally and get buy in from either the board or, you know, create this thriving culture? Who's

00:06:47.190 --> 00:07:01.919 Laura Fravel: gonna gonna feel like a part of the purpose of the team and the company, or whether it be they're becoming more of a thought leader in their space. So they're talking on stages or introducing their company. Who's a sponsor of this big event talking to the media?

00:07:02.420 --> 00:07:03.769 Laura Fravel: And I'd say it's.

00:07:04.650 --> 00:07:19.380 Laura Fravel: It is not always about telling your personal story, though I think there is definitely a part of that, but I think it kind of comes back to that authenticity of knowing who you are, what you stand for.

00:07:19.430 --> 00:07:21.940 Laura Fravel: what impact you want to make

00:07:22.650 --> 00:07:37.770 Mira Brancu: and showing up authentically. So people trust you. And you connect with them. Because when that happens, that's when the magic happens. Yeah, you know. This reminds me of a time in my own

00:07:37.970 --> 00:07:43.090 Mira Brancu: leadership journey up. Until this point I really did not think that this was like

00:07:43.180 --> 00:07:46.450 Mira Brancu: an important thing, right, and especially

00:07:46.690 --> 00:07:48.670 Mira Brancu: because I come from a

00:07:48.710 --> 00:07:53.789 Mira Brancu: research background as well as being a psychologist like we keep our head down.

00:07:53.830 --> 00:08:01.420 Mira Brancu: And we just say, Well, look at the data. And then the data shows everything right. And

00:08:01.760 --> 00:08:03.480 Mira Brancu: But I was really

00:08:03.580 --> 00:08:13.639 Mira Brancu: interested in getting our organization to support this really amazing program that we had developed

00:08:13.850 --> 00:08:18.850 Mira Brancu: that we found these incredible outcomes. And it was basically

00:08:19.050 --> 00:08:20.720 Mira Brancu: focus on

00:08:21.030 --> 00:08:24.140 Mira Brancu:  saving veterans

00:08:24.190 --> 00:08:37.340 Mira Brancu: in terms of their suicidality and hard to reach. Veterans, rural veterans right and we found, like really incredible outcomes from our intervention. Now, what I started realizing is, if you just talk about

00:08:37.370 --> 00:08:42.390 Mira Brancu: your research and the methodology and the data, it's like it's not

00:08:42.669 --> 00:08:54.680 Mira Brancu: meeting the same interests and needs of higher level executives who have to make super quick decisions with very small budgets.

00:08:54.860 --> 00:09:09.100 Mira Brancu: Right? I at least in our system. And so I went to this program where they were teaching. You like how to how to pitch right an idea. And I started telling my

00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:12.350 Mira Brancu: story of the why behind

00:09:12.500 --> 00:09:16.609 Mira Brancu: this research and what it could do and the impact it could make.

00:09:16.640 --> 00:09:25.340 Mira Brancu: You know, veterans who were, you know, struggling with suicidality and having access issues to healthcare

00:09:25.660 --> 00:09:27.710 Mira Brancu: and

00:09:27.890 --> 00:09:42.119 Mira Brancu: it worked. It helped my executives understand and connect with the story and find meaning in it and be excited about supporting it. And it was, you know, the first funded program of this kind.

00:09:42.140 --> 00:09:45.450 Mira Brancu: and it wouldn't have happened if I didn't learn that skill set.

00:09:45.690 --> 00:09:56.230 Mira Brancu: And so that's kind of like. How I'm thinking about is that kind of how you're thinking about, like the connection between the the bringing your voice forward, learning how to

00:09:56.510 --> 00:09:58.269 Mira Brancu: present. And that kind of thing.

00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.450 Laura Fravel: Yes, absolutely. It's all

00:10:01.990 --> 00:10:11.730 Laura Fravel: we need to. First and foremost, whatever audience we're connecting with, whether you're pitching, whether you're, you know, talking to donors, investors.

00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:14.000 Laura Fravel: that your industry

00:10:14.250 --> 00:10:20.779 Laura Fravel: they have to. Immediately you have to grab their attention and get them to trust you really quickly

00:10:20.880 --> 00:10:24.390 Laura Fravel: to be able to then pay attention to all of the data

00:10:24.690 --> 00:10:37.210 Laura Fravel: and information and expertise that you want to share with them. So how do we go about doing that? One of the key ways is storytelling. You know, humans want to connect to other humans.

00:10:37.490 --> 00:10:38.490 Laura Fravel: be.

00:10:38.930 --> 00:10:50.509 Laura Fravel: there's even all this great brain science about how. when someone is presenting speaking and they start telling a story, the audience's

00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:59.900 Laura Fravel: brain starts mimicking that of the speaker, they start producing oxytocin, which is that bonding hormone.

00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:03.450 Laura Fravel: So we want to connect as humans

00:11:03.920 --> 00:11:15.200 Laura Fravel: which enables us to then trust this person. And then we're like, bring on the data. Bring on the information. We're all ears. You get buy-in quicker. So yeah, it's a lot about

00:11:15.560 --> 00:11:19.650 Laura Fravel: as a leader. you know. How are you showing up.

00:11:19.890 --> 00:11:31.750 Laura Fravel: sharing your just like you said. How are, you know. to be able to talk to people you first had to share those stories that you were experiencing of other the veterans.

00:11:31.790 --> 00:11:36.169 Laura Fravel: and sometimes as a leader. It's your own personal experience, what you've struggled with and overcome.

00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.349 Mira Brancu: Yeah. And so

00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:39.530 Mira Brancu: tell me, like

00:11:39.830 --> 00:11:44.559 Mira Brancu: one of the things that that I sometimes hear is

00:11:45.450 --> 00:11:47.700 Mira Brancu: isn't being my authentic self.

00:11:48.050 --> 00:12:05.900 Mira Brancu: just sharing the data, the way that I would want to share the data like, why do I have to go through this rigmarole of like, you know, touring myself into coming up with a story and sharing the story, and, like that sometimes feels really unnatural and awkward for some people. So I'm curious, like, how you sort of

00:12:06.060 --> 00:12:10.299 Mira Brancu: reconcile that disconnect for some people.

00:12:12.290 --> 00:12:14.690 Laura Fravel: I think that is where

00:12:15.790 --> 00:12:25.939 Laura Fravel: you need be becoming leader is so much I know you talk about. It's so much self development, self reflection, understanding your strengths.

00:12:26.390 --> 00:12:35.220 Laura Fravel: your weaknesses, you know, reframing your weaknesses. So I think a lot of times people say.

00:12:35.460 --> 00:12:44.800 Laura Fravel: well, one of the things I always have people come to me saying is, I'm an introvert like, if you know, there's nothing I can do. I'm just an introvert. I'm never gonna speak up in meetings.

00:12:45.770 --> 00:12:48.030 Laura Fravel: and it's like, Well, let's reframe that

00:12:48.210 --> 00:13:03.569 Laura Fravel: introverts are usually incredibly observant. They are processing and taking in everything everybody else is saying in that meeting or that presentation. And how can you then take that amazing strength of being able to observe and process

00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:08.840 Laura Fravel: and use that as your voice and be heard. so

00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:18.660 Laura Fravel: is it saying something at the end of the meeting. To sum everything up. Is it sending an an email afterwards to have your voice heard? So I think

00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:28.709 Laura Fravel: now I'm losing track of your initial question. But it's really, you know, about coming back, really doing some self reflection

00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:39.349 Mira Brancu: and and authentically knowing who you are and leaning into that part of your your personality. Yeah, I love that. And also I, as you're talking, I'm thinking.

00:13:39.390 --> 00:13:45.090 Mira Brancu: actually, in some ways we hide behind our data.

00:13:45.140 --> 00:13:48.330 Mira Brancu: Because it's sort of like.

00:13:48.520 --> 00:13:52.189 Mira Brancu: well, you can't find any flaws in my data. So

00:13:52.450 --> 00:14:01.789 Mira Brancu: I'm going to present my data instead of finding flaws in me right and then and and that's not necessarily you showing yourself fully and authentically. So

00:14:02.280 --> 00:14:08.589 Mira Brancu: let's stop there, because this is getting really meaty, and I don't want to miss out on like this piece of the like

00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:31.230 Mira Brancu: digging into this authenticity piece and connecting with yourself. Right? So we're nearing an ad break. You're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mirabanku, and with our guest, Laura Fravel, we now air on Tuesdays at 5 Pm. Eastern time. If you'd like to join us online right now and ask any questions of us right now and answer. We will answer it in real time.

00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:36.270 Mira Brancu: You can find us on Youtube or on Linkedin at Talkradio, Nyc.

00:14:36.390 --> 00:14:39.139 Mira Brancu: Otherwise we'll be right back with our guests in just a moment.

00:16:45.260 --> 00:16:56.049 Mira Brancu: welcome. Welcome back to the hard skills with me. Dr. Mira Branku and Laura Fravel, our guest today, who is helping us sort of tease apart

00:16:56.100 --> 00:17:05.420 Mira Brancu: authenticity versus authority. How do you show up in your most authentic way, and bring out that voice, elevate your voice and influence as a leader.

00:17:05.609 --> 00:17:09.949 Mira Brancu:  We were just talking about

00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.510 Mira Brancu: the difficulty of

00:17:14.569 --> 00:17:25.050 Mira Brancu: showing up. Authentically right as a leader. And yet how important this is to

00:17:25.470 --> 00:17:31.729 Mira Brancu: being able to successfully navigate at as a leader, and especially when you're like

00:17:31.930 --> 00:17:34.070 Mira Brancu: advocating for resources.

00:17:34.090 --> 00:17:38.140 Mira Brancu: advocating for more funding, advocating for your team?

00:17:38.670 --> 00:17:39.759 Mira Brancu: how did you

00:17:40.230 --> 00:17:45.940 Mira Brancu: first like? How did you sort of zoom zone in on this need

00:17:46.540 --> 00:17:52.510 Mira Brancu: to focus on showing up authentically in your story.

00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:59.520 Mira Brancu: In how you show up in presentations and and that kind of thing as one of the most essential skills for successful successful leader.

00:18:00.430 --> 00:18:17.469 Laura Fravel: A great question. I think. Honestly, it's always been a part of what I've done, and I've just seen firsthand the results and the success people have had. So again, going back even to my years in TV,

00:18:17.710 --> 00:18:33.330 Laura Fravel: where it was, you know, more journalistic, I'm working with real people, unknown people a lot of times, and they would show up with heart and purpose and wanna make an impact. And

00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:38.989 Laura Fravel: they often we're hesitant to share their stories, and

00:18:39.090 --> 00:18:44.760 Laura Fravel: as an interviewer I'd have to kind of pull that out of them, which is what I still do today.

00:18:44.770 --> 00:18:56.269 Laura Fravel: and I think one of the most rewarding things about kind of my TV years was those people would, after their story was put together and aired and put out into the world. Those people would always come back saying.

00:18:56.430 --> 00:18:57.430 Laura Fravel: Thank you.

00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:01.910 Laura Fravel: I had no idea my story could

00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:04.290 Laura Fravel: help. Someone else could

00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:13.130 Laura Fravel: innovate. The industry could forward a movement or a cause could help my career so.

00:19:13.450 --> 00:19:21.200 Laura Fravel: And then, as II shifted more into, you know, communication for executives and media trainers speaker training.

00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:38.990 Laura Fravel: I just see it day in and day out. Those who really can step out of that corporate box, which is really hard, that's not undermining how hard that can be, I think, especially for many of us who have been in the corporate world and been taught that you're supposed to act a certain way.

00:19:39.800 --> 00:19:41.779 Laura Fravel: speak a certain way.

00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:45.700 Laura Fravel: So I think those who are breaking out of that and and

00:19:45.770 --> 00:19:53.749 Laura Fravel: and fusing more of themselves into what they do. And that purpose. They're. you know they're magnetic.

00:19:54.700 --> 00:20:02.470 Mira Brancu: Yeah, at and so I'm I'm hearing, like it could help your career. It could help forward

00:20:02.570 --> 00:20:10.399 Mira Brancu: cause or movement that you're really passionate about it could help you make a real impact. The other thing that I'm

00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:12.480 Mira Brancu: reflecting on

00:20:12.730 --> 00:20:18.190 Mira Brancu: again, as I think about my leadership journey and those of others

00:20:18.330 --> 00:20:20.309 Mira Brancu: that I work with.

00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:26.560 Mira Brancu:  It does help you be relatable, you know. I mean, like

00:20:26.630 --> 00:20:28.999 Mira Brancu: and when you're relatable

00:20:29.210 --> 00:20:34.309 Mira Brancu:  people feel like they're joining you in something

00:20:34.750 --> 00:20:41.310 Mira Brancu: right instead of they're just hearing you or listening to you. It! There's a connection there.

00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:47.929 Laura Fravel: Yes, first, and for in the business world, first and foremost. That's what it's all about, especially

00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:51.910 Laura Fravel: now that we're not in a workplace day in and day out.

00:20:52.130 --> 00:21:00.410 Laura Fravel: I think it's even more important than ever before. Cause, you know, we're getting on. We're giving the statistics. We're jumping off the the zoom.

00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:05.590 Laura Fravel: But connection and being relatable.

00:21:05.760 --> 00:21:21.430 Mira Brancu: having that, it's a human element. Right? It's having that human element. Yeah. And I do notice, that when I share just a little bit more about myself, right? Or when others share a little bit more about themselves.

00:21:21.470 --> 00:21:28.689 Mira Brancu: In their Linkedin profile, or as we're chatting before a meeting starts.

00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:34.420 Mira Brancu: you know I feel more comfortable with them, or I feel like I could trust them.

00:21:34.610 --> 00:21:36.509 Mira Brancu: There's there's a piece of this like

00:21:36.660 --> 00:21:42.659 Mira Brancu: you build trust. When you get to know somebody a little bit more behind, like like the veil

00:21:42.700 --> 00:21:45.030 Mira Brancu: of, you know, the professional veil right?

00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:49.450 Laura Fravel: And it also makes you more memorable.

00:21:49.710 --> 00:22:01.960 Laura Fravel: So I even there's a training I do. It's super simple. There's been times where I brought together leaders who didn't know each other, and they all had to introduce themselves. But I give them a certain criteria.

00:22:02.410 --> 00:22:06.870 Laura Fravel: and then I ask everybody to say something about someone else that

00:22:06.970 --> 00:22:16.249 Laura Fravel: that stood out. It is never their job where they work. It is always. Oh, I ran a marathon, too, or

00:22:16.660 --> 00:22:34.889 Laura Fravel: you know, it's always those personal elements, and that's not to say. you know, we're talking about authority, and you know, you still need to show up with authority and credibility, but just sprinkling in that human element showing up more authentic, really goes such a long way.

00:22:35.210 --> 00:22:38.189 Mira Brancu: Yeah. So let's talk about that sort of

00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:45.489 Mira Brancu: trying to find the right balance of authenticity and authority. Some people might think

00:22:46.070 --> 00:22:53.130 Mira Brancu: that, or fear that showing up authentically could undermine their authority.

00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:58.990 Mira Brancu: I'm curious. Where do you? Where do you think that fear comes from? Are there situations

00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:02.529 Mira Brancu: where that's actually true? Is there a right balance.

00:23:04.310 --> 00:23:18.620 Laura Fravel: I think that that is probably one of the top concerns. People come. Clients come to me with is okay. I wanna show up authentic. But then people aren't gonna see me as this authoritative. And I'm supposed to be in charge of this whole team, or I'm supposed to

00:23:18.710 --> 00:23:32.740 Laura Fravel: be the voice of the company. and I think we've also grown up in a culture, many of us leaders where we equated professionalism with perfection.

00:23:32.760 --> 00:23:33.820 Mira Brancu: Hmm!

00:23:34.100 --> 00:23:36.850 Laura Fravel: And I think we fall into that trap that

00:23:38.210 --> 00:23:48.530 Laura Fravel: professional does not mean perfect. So you can still be professional and authentic. and have flaws. And I think by talking about those.

00:23:48.950 --> 00:23:57.809 Laura Fravel: those hurdles or those challenges that you've faced and overcome makes you more human. It doesn't discredit your authority.

00:23:59.330 --> 00:24:04.899 Mira Brancu: Hmm! Let me just sit with this for a second, because I really like this distinction of

00:24:05.070 --> 00:24:06.570 Mira Brancu: not mixing

00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:09.670 Mira Brancu: professionalism with perfectionism.

00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:12.879 Mira Brancu: because we do often feel like we need to

00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.160 Mira Brancu: show up as perfect

00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:17.639 Mira Brancu: in order to be to be accepted.

00:24:17.890 --> 00:24:24.880 Mira Brancu: Now, I feel like this happens more for women and

00:24:25.010 --> 00:24:26.900 Mira Brancu: for people with

00:24:27.230 --> 00:24:35.130 Mira Brancu: marginalized identities, right? Traditionally marginalized identities, right and for good reason, because they're judged more negatively

00:24:35.360 --> 00:24:43.479 Mira Brancu: or harshly for just showing up. for just you know we had. I had this this conversation

00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:48.839 Mira Brancu: last night on office hours in our Tower Scope Leadership Academy with folks and

00:24:48.890 --> 00:24:51.600 Mira Brancu: you know this this feeling like

00:24:51.640 --> 00:25:03.149 Mira Brancu: even my haircut here, right? I've got those of you who know have known that I've had this, you know. Shave look for a while long time, but I didn't feel comfortable.

00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:10.080 Mira Brancu:  having this look, which. honestly, is my authentic self here.

00:25:10.360 --> 00:25:14.449 Mira Brancu: because there's there's so much scrutiny

00:25:14.560 --> 00:25:20.550 Mira Brancu: that women and people, from traditionally marginalized backgrounds experience about their hair.

00:25:20.690 --> 00:25:22.080 Mira Brancu: their appearance.

00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:31.839 Mira Brancu: their look, their demeanor, the way they sound. You know, we're always sort of like walking this very fine line what's called a, you know, narrow band of acceptable behavior.

00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.189 Mira Brancu: And so perfectionism can come out of that

00:25:36.350 --> 00:25:40.890 Mira Brancu: right, this fear, this deep fear of negative judgment, understandably so.

00:25:41.170 --> 00:25:43.309 Mira Brancu: So how do you

00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.960 Mira Brancu: help folks who have been in that state of like

00:25:48.470 --> 00:26:02.109 Mira Brancu: concern for good reason to still step out, and. in my opinion, own a greater voice by somehow leaning into some piece of authenticity that feels

00:26:02.290 --> 00:26:04.450 Mira Brancu: safe and could still be

00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:06.170 Mira Brancu: like powerful

00:26:06.510 --> 00:26:14.070 Laura Fravel: without undermat mining their authority. I'm just sort of curious what you think. Yes, no, absolutely. It's not to be discredited that I think

00:26:14.520 --> 00:26:20.450 Laura Fravel: some yeah marginalized communities, people, not even every workplace.

00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:45.860 Laura Fravel: You can bring your full authentic self to the table like, I will fully admit that. And I think authenticity is 2 part. It's one having the self awareness, doing self reflection, really digging deep to understand. Who am I? What are my strengths, weaknesses? What's the impact I want to bring? And then the other side of it is that organizational side, you know, is.

00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:57.839 Laura Fravel: is your organization providing a space that will hear and listen to and respect all voices. So I think, as a leader, authenticity is personal as well as

00:26:58.100 --> 00:26:59.190 Laura Fravel: outward.

00:26:59.770 --> 00:27:06.009 Laura Fravel:  So when I work with clients, there's a lot of sussing out

00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:09.399 Laura Fravel: the organization, the leadership

00:27:09.650 --> 00:27:23.239 Laura Fravel: they're under the culture and actually, really discerning, okay, is it a cultural thing, or is it more of a mindset and a fear? And I think that's the first thing you have to look at is where?

00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:27.670 Laura Fravel: Where the hesitation is truly coming from.

00:27:27.760 --> 00:27:30.060 Mira Brancu: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:27:30.350 --> 00:27:45.940 Laura Fravel: And then, if it is organizational, and no doubt there are organizations who still won't hear the diverse voices coming up with small ways, small steps they can take to start to be heard and start to feel more comfortable showing up.

00:27:46.310 --> 00:27:52.060 Mira Brancu: Yeah, II like that a lot, because well, number one, it is important to.

00:27:52.790 --> 00:27:58.310 Mira Brancu: It's difficult and important to figure out what part of this is

00:27:58.360 --> 00:28:04.850 Mira Brancu: me like. Truly me who I am versus the unhelpful

00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:12.639 Mira Brancu:  messages that I've received from society, right? That I've sort of internalized versus

00:28:12.770 --> 00:28:15.829 Mira Brancu: the organization is culture.

00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.670 Mira Brancu: right? Because you. You have a lot more

00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:20.960 Mira Brancu: power to

00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:27.090 Mira Brancu: lean in or lean out, make decisions. have some agency around those decisions. If you can

00:28:27.210 --> 00:28:31.009 Mira Brancu: separate those things out as much as you can for yourself.

00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:34.920 Mira Brancu:  And when you do, I really like your

00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:37.520 Mira Brancu: idea about like.

00:28:38.140 --> 00:28:52.650 Mira Brancu: what small step can you take then, like what's can you dip your toe in the water and see what happens when you do it? So let's end on that, because I really like that, and I'd love to get some tips on like what is dipping your toe in the water look like?

00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:54.709 Mira Brancu: What are those steps? So

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00:31:26.230 --> 00:31:34.259 Mira Brancu: Welcome! Welcome back to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mirabu, and with our guest, Laura Fravel, we're talking about

00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:38.890 Mira Brancu: showing up with authenticity in our storytelling.

00:31:38.970 --> 00:31:47.410 Mira Brancu: and how to elevate your voice and your impact and your influence, and how to sort of find this balance between authenticity

00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:55.180 Mira Brancu: and your authority as a leader. And sometimes it's not that easy.

00:31:55.260 --> 00:31:59.630 Mira Brancu: But what we were talking about before the the outbreak is

00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:09.800 Mira Brancu: how you can take small steps to try it out and see what happens right? How do people see it? How do people take it in. So by the way, speaking of authenticity.

00:32:10.350 --> 00:32:36.190 Mira Brancu: I'm just gonna share that. I've had a sore throat for a little while, and I'm drinking this tea right next to me that, like I'm enjoying so much. So if you hear some quiet, dead air, or whatever it's probably me just drinking tea or whatever. Okay, Laura. Small steps. What does this look like? What? What can people try? That's just like not not too scary at first, but just to like test out the waters.

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.719 Laura Fravel: Oh, I think I

00:32:38.790 --> 00:32:46.960 Laura Fravel: easy thing to incorporate, no matter what you're doing, is, first and foremost, you always have to take into consideration the audience you're talking to.

00:32:47.620 --> 00:32:48.930 Laura Fravel: So

00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:55.799 Laura Fravel: what? Whether you're giving a presentation, a talk to your industry.

00:32:56.430 --> 00:33:08.920 Laura Fravel: small internal team. what's the goal you want to get a what's that main message you want to get across to them? And then

00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:19.549 Laura Fravel: what do they need to hear? First and foremost, to be receptive to that message and move and be able to move them to action. So

00:33:19.910 --> 00:33:25.999 Laura Fravel: when you talk about showing up authentically, okay, what are your authentic ways to be able to connect with that audience.

00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:36.960 Laura Fravel: still taking them into consideration. So it's not always all about you, like. okay, I might be like the life of the party class clown kind of personality.

00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:53.529 Laura Fravel: Well, you have to consider the audience. So if you're giving a board presentation, you gotta consider the audience so still. Why not still open with a little joke? If that's the way you feel really natural, and it will come across natural to the audience. So don't try to be straight faced. Still, use humor.

00:33:53.600 --> 00:34:00.159 Laura Fravel: but maybe don't be the like party, you know. Party time kind of crazy clown.

00:34:00.630 --> 00:34:02.540 Mira Brancu: Yeah. So I think that's

00:34:02.930 --> 00:34:13.800 Laura Fravel: I think that's number one thing, people there's a misconception is bringing your full self to work is. bring yourself. But then also take into consideration who you're talking to.

00:34:14.060 --> 00:34:20.310 Mira Brancu: I love that because  it's

00:34:20.469 --> 00:34:25.500 Mira Brancu: yeah. It's not just about you, right? You're you're trying to make a connection.

00:34:25.710 --> 00:34:28.849 Mira Brancu: And you know, when.

00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:44.229 Mira Brancu: when when you're at a party, and you're trying to make a connection right? You're not going to go on and on and on about yourself and think like everybody's gonna love me. He's gonna try to figure out where's the connection I have with this person

00:34:45.020 --> 00:34:46.380 Mira Brancu: so that I can

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.449 Mira Brancu: sort of like,

00:34:49.120 --> 00:34:56.149 Mira Brancu: you know. Then find some, some overlapping interests we can talk about together, and that

00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.000 Mira Brancu: sounds like what you're saying like, it's not that different. If you're presenting.

00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.130 Mira Brancu: you know, in a large audience. It's trying to understand

00:35:04.350 --> 00:35:06.379 Mira Brancu: who are the people in front of me.

00:35:07.080 --> 00:35:19.429 Mira Brancu: and what do they care about so that I'm not going on and on about on about the things that I love to talk about. But they have 0 interest. Is that right? Exactly, and a lot of times, if you're giving a presentation.

00:35:19.890 --> 00:35:27.170 Laura Fravel: You've worked so hard to come up with statistics and proof. And yes, they want that. The audience usually wants that

00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:34.340 Laura Fravel: to back it up and validate it. But first and foremost you gotta tell them.

00:35:34.650 --> 00:35:42.319 Laura Fravel: Relate to them and let them know I hear you. I hear what you're struggling with. I hear what you want

00:35:43.810 --> 00:35:47.080 Laura Fravel: and then present the statistics.

00:35:47.390 --> 00:35:51.929 Mira Brancu: Yeah. So in that connection point, yeah. So if if I'm

00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:59.710 Mira Brancu: let's say I'm a researcher like this is, I'm I'm fully into the data, right?

00:36:01.070 --> 00:36:08.490 Mira Brancu: I needed sounds like I need to keep 2 things in mind. Number one. how do I maintain?

00:36:08.680 --> 00:36:13.340 Mira Brancu:  Me being true to myself, which is the research matters.

00:36:13.420 --> 00:36:23.730 Mira Brancu: I'm not gonna overlook it. It's important to me, and that's who I am right. And hold that in mind while also holding in mind.

00:36:24.220 --> 00:36:26.879 Mira Brancu: how do I meet this person where they're at

00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:32.840 Mira Brancu: and where they're at? They're not a researcher. Maybe, you know they're a funder.

00:36:33.120 --> 00:36:41.100 Mira Brancu: They care about budgets, they care about funding, they care about resourcing, they care about efficiency.

00:36:41.260 --> 00:36:50.749 Mira Brancu:  they and then they they might care about like. why should I fund you instead of somebody else, right? And

00:36:51.350 --> 00:36:56.560 Mira Brancu: And so I need to sort of translate my language to language

00:36:57.740 --> 00:37:08.480 Mira Brancu: right. And then once I can do that, maybe maybe I can translate it back. But but there's there's some kind of tension I'm trying to hold. Is that right? Yes, that's a great way of putting it.

00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:10.850 Laura Fravel: And it's also all about the impact.

00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.809 Laura Fravel: So what's the impact you're gonna bring to this audience?

00:37:17.030 --> 00:37:23.960 Laura Fravel: Yes, the date is gonna back up, validate and confirm that. Yes, you can do it.

00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:25.710 Laura Fravel: But what's

00:37:26.030 --> 00:37:30.170 Laura Fravel: what's that impact they want that moment that

00:37:31.150 --> 00:37:34.569 Laura Fravel: they know you're going to solve.

00:37:34.870 --> 00:37:42.590 Laura Fravel:  yeah, I love how you you've even brought the tension. That is a really great point.

00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:49.609 Mira Brancu: So tell me more about this impact. what does that look like to be able to

00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:52.529 Mira Brancu: show up authentically?

00:37:53.240 --> 00:37:57.610 Mira Brancu: Meet them where they are? So that sort of like find that tension, but

00:37:58.020 --> 00:38:04.369 Mira Brancu: sounds like, there's a third piece here about impact that I would need to keep in mind.

00:38:04.470 --> 00:38:05.829 Mira Brancu: what does that look like?

00:38:06.370 --> 00:38:11.430 Laura Fravel: Impact is more the results. What problem are you gonna solve for them?

00:38:11.520 --> 00:38:13.869 Laura Fravel: What results will you bring them?

00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:19.380 Mira Brancu: Sometimes? Sometimes it's even about what's the feeling

00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:27.020 Laura Fravel: you're going to bring them. So if you're talking to an internal team, it might be

00:38:27.910 --> 00:38:32.020 Laura Fravel: them feeling more connected to the purpose of the organization.

00:38:33.380 --> 00:38:34.580 Laura Fravel: So

00:38:35.780 --> 00:38:39.830 Laura Fravel: going back to what I was talking about whenever you're doing a presentation, a talk

00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:44.709 Laura Fravel: first. What's the main message you want to get across?

00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:54.189 Laura Fravel: How? How are you? Gonna deliver it in a way that the audience, you know. Consider the audience first and foremost, and how you're gonna connect with them.

00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.970 Laura Fravel: And then what's that action or feeling? You want them to walk away doing or feeling.

00:39:01.130 --> 00:39:02.060 Mira Brancu: Hmm!

00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:12.190 Mira Brancu: This is the this is the influence piece that you don't see at a party, right? You could do an awful lot of naval gazing you could be like

00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:24.000 Mira Brancu: we found this in our research. Isn't that so cool? And you could like leave it there. You can't do that in a presentation. Everybody's gonna be like, yeah. So what?

00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:44.370 Laura Fravel: Well, even at I've even found to be at a party. As long as you're talking to someone else who's super into the data. Then you could leave it at that because you found a connecting point. That is, you know, you're you love a date and research. But if you're talking to someone who doesn't love data and research, you have to determine.

00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:47.550 Laura Fravel: what is it they'd be curious to hear about this

00:39:47.590 --> 00:39:55.970 Mira Brancu: as well, yeah. And I do think, though, that this third piece that you shared third pillar of impact

00:39:56.070 --> 00:39:57.610 Mira Brancu: in terms of

00:39:57.640 --> 00:40:02.650 Mira Brancu: sharing the results and or potential outcome to expect.

00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.050 Mira Brancu:  really

00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.660 Mira Brancu: does make the difference in terms of

00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:19.089 Mira Brancu: simply showing up authentically versus showing up authentically and trying to influence and make a better, bigger impact.

00:40:21.410 --> 00:40:28.189 Mira Brancu: one is a casual conversation, the other is like a high impact conversation. Right?

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:40.330 Laura Fravel: And I leaders get these scripts from their Comms department from marketing from their, you know, assistance, whoever it might be, social media

00:40:40.720 --> 00:40:46.210 Laura Fravel: that they're asked to stand up and read. and I cannot tell you how many times

00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.650 Laura Fravel: executives come to me saying.

00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:52.390 Laura Fravel: I hate this. It doesn't sound like me.

00:40:52.970 --> 00:40:54.050 Laura Fravel: And it's

00:40:54.200 --> 00:41:03.760 Laura Fravel: it's because those scripts are usually just trying to get across information. It's just here's the data and the points we want to get across.

00:41:04.050 --> 00:41:08.530 Laura Fravel: Put a happy welcome to see you, or you know. Thank you for joining

00:41:09.130 --> 00:41:17.710 Laura Fravel:  They follow structure. Oh, thank you. You know. Here are the the bullet points. Here are the things we're going to cover today today. Boom, boom, boom!

00:41:17.970 --> 00:41:23.739 Laura Fravel: So they dive right in without making that human connection. First.

00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.060 Mira Brancu: yeah.

00:41:25.250 --> 00:41:30.770 Mira Brancu: yeah. So now, let's let's put it all together.

00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:35.110 Mira Brancu: This season is all about developing leadership identity.

00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:47.690 Mira Brancu: So how do you see connecting these concepts of authenticity versus authority? Those 2 tensions influence impact

00:41:48.050 --> 00:42:01.930 Mira Brancu: with developing leadership identity? Is it possible that people could lose themselves if they're trying too hard. Is it because one of the things that I heard from you is you? You need to know yourself. Well.

00:42:02.490 --> 00:42:05.039 Mira Brancu: okay, so I'm trying to sort of

00:42:05.350 --> 00:42:11.869 Mira Brancu: think about, why do leaders need to know this skill set and have this skill set

00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:16.380 Mira Brancu: in the context of developing their own leadership identity.

00:42:19.140 --> 00:42:21.210 Laura Fravel: I think it's almost the

00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:25.509 Laura Fravel: basis, if not the basis, of your leadership identity.

00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:35.240 Laura Fravel: So if we can't show up more with our own purpose, and knowing what our own purpose is. If we can't

00:42:35.660 --> 00:42:48.849 Laura Fravel: really embrace our strengths. reframe our weaknesses. If we can't show up authentic, we're showing up a little bit more robotic and not human. And we're not gonna have nearly as much

00:42:49.010 --> 00:42:53.310 Laura Fravel: influence cause people aren't going to be able to connect with us that, and

00:42:53.640 --> 00:43:00.369 Laura Fravel: it is not going to be nearly as fulfilling of a career. If you don't show up authentic.

00:43:00.530 --> 00:43:02.210 Laura Fravel: I think. Simply put.

00:43:02.560 --> 00:43:05.259 Mira Brancu: That's a great additional point.

00:43:05.630 --> 00:43:09.240 Mira Brancu: I just came back today from finishing up.

00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:12.980 Mira Brancu: I think what was an 8 month long

00:43:12.990 --> 00:43:15.020 Mira Brancu: career development program.

00:43:15.050 --> 00:43:29.729 Mira Brancu: and one of the most important threads throughout was about identifying. What is your passion? What is your why, what is your sort of personal personal mission? That that is a big question

00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.160 Mira Brancu: that. Frankly.

00:43:31.300 --> 00:43:36.359 Mira Brancu: I used to just like Poopoo when I was younger. I used to be like, this is ridiculous like I don't need that.

00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:44.140 Mira Brancu: Tell me what my job is, and I'll do it right. However, what I've learned over time is that if I just focus

00:43:44.210 --> 00:43:53.920 Mira Brancu: on putting more and more energy into the things I was really interested in doesn't have. I don't have to use the word passion, but interested in right?

00:43:54.270 --> 00:44:05.040 Mira Brancu: that my career and my leadership identity especially developed, and I felt more fulfilled and satisfied because I connected. I aligned

00:44:05.630 --> 00:44:08.349 Mira Brancu: with the things that I was so excited about.

00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:17.589 Laura Fravel: Right. Yes, absolutely 110, we become a magnet for opportunities.

00:44:17.610 --> 00:44:20.860 Laura Fravel: It's just we light up when we're bringing

00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:33.070 Laura Fravel: more purpose, fulfillment, meaning passion, like you said whatever you wanna call it in. If you enjoy what you're doing, I always say you know you can be doing any job

00:44:33.290 --> 00:44:38.750 Laura Fravel: but figure out what your purpose passion is. what lights you up.

00:44:38.860 --> 00:44:48.020 Laura Fravel: and how can you bring more of that into what you're doing right now? So it doesn't mean you have to pivot and change jobs. But I think there's always ways to find

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.589 Laura Fravel: how to bring that a little bit more back into your day to day.

00:44:53.180 --> 00:44:54.740 Mira Brancu: Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.169 Laura Fravel: And it shows.

00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:02.159 Mira Brancu: yeah, absolutely. So on that note we are reaching another, add, break.

00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:06.509 Mira Brancu: It's gonna be a quick one. We'll be right back after these messages.

00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:22.900 Mira Brancu: Welcome back to the hard skills with me, Mira Branku and our guest, Laura Fravel. We've been talking about showing up authentically, and the impact that it could make, and how you can do that

00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:30.909 Mira Brancu: through storytelling, through sharing a little bit more about you, and that it doesn't necessarily

00:47:31.090 --> 00:47:38.179 Mira Brancu: undermine your authority as long as you're able to hold certain tensions which is

00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.459 Mira Brancu: show up in the way that

00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:45.440 Mira Brancu: meets you know who you are. Your.

00:47:45.490 --> 00:47:50.420 Mira Brancu: Why right for for why, you know what your purpose is.

00:47:50.600 --> 00:47:54.050 Mira Brancu: Speak their language, though, meet other people where they are.

00:47:54.120 --> 00:47:59.410 Mira Brancu: and identify. What are the results you're aiming at? Right. Those are the 3 pillars I heard Laura

00:47:59.470 --> 00:48:01.769 Mira Brancu: sharing with us. And the one thing that

00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:04.730 Mira Brancu:  I'm

00:48:04.950 --> 00:48:10.320 Mira Brancu: I'm really like chewing on now is that this last piece where we were

00:48:11.070 --> 00:48:13.670 Mira Brancu: talking about? If you

00:48:14.520 --> 00:48:22.190 Mira Brancu: are clear about your interests, about your why. and you share that with other people.

00:48:22.450 --> 00:48:25.230 Mira Brancu: Right? You light up, people, see that.

00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:28.839 Mira Brancu: And as as you were it, you become a magnet.

00:48:29.100 --> 00:48:32.219 Mira Brancu: This. This inspires people

00:48:32.530 --> 00:48:34.910 Mira Brancu: to follow you.

00:48:34.930 --> 00:48:48.889 Mira Brancu: And it's not like you're looking for sheep here. Okay, but it's really about. If you want to make a greater impact. You have to get people to get what you're about, and and really understand

00:48:49.030 --> 00:48:53.290 Mira Brancu: what what it is that you're aiming for?

00:48:53.410 --> 00:48:59.799 Mira Brancu:  so that you can get support around where you want to take things right

00:49:00.470 --> 00:49:07.989 Mira Brancu: is that kind of like. how I'm hearing you're seeing it. Absolutely great. Summary, Mira.

00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:19.349 Laura Fravel: I think we as humans, we all wanna anchor to some purpose. So if you're a leader. if you're just giving data and information.

00:49:20.170 --> 00:49:26.439 Laura Fravel: employees don't have much to anchor to. Or if you're a thought leader standing on stage and just presenting

00:49:26.470 --> 00:49:27.600 Laura Fravel: data.

00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:36.010 Laura Fravel: There's there's not much again to anchor, too. So you do have to kind of lead with the why

00:49:36.310 --> 00:49:51.290 Laura Fravel:  and people want it. People. Naturally, we as humans. we want to feel a part of something. So how are you going to make that audience, whoever that is, you're talking to feel a part of what you're doing.

00:49:52.050 --> 00:49:54.660 Mira Brancu: Yeah, yeah, and that

00:49:54.710 --> 00:49:56.050 Mira Brancu: I feel like.

00:49:56.390 --> 00:49:59.860 Mira Brancu: that's where your authenticity can come from, you know, like

00:49:59.980 --> 00:50:03.290 Mira Brancu: that's reaching in

00:50:04.330 --> 00:50:08.319 Mira Brancu: and thinking about what drives you and then being able to share that

00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:16.530 Laura Fravel: exactly. And I think there's a big. I think the other stumbling block I see with a lot of people is

00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:23.850 Laura Fravel: authenticity versus vulnerability and authenticity is more

00:50:24.100 --> 00:50:25.410 Laura Fravel: showing up.

00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:35.170 Laura Fravel: more true to who you are your personality owning it. Vulnerability is sharing struggles you've been through.

00:50:35.460 --> 00:50:52.549 Laura Fravel: and I think you get to choose how vulnerable or not you want to be so. and whether you want to share personal vulnerabilities or just professional vulnerabilities. So I think that's the other stumbling people think they're one in the same, and I

00:50:52.820 --> 00:50:57.030 Laura Fravel: I disagree. There's there's differences there,

00:50:57.050 --> 00:51:07.139 Laura Fravel: and share the vulner. A lot of people don't want to share the vulnerability until after they've gotten through it, because then there's a takeaway. People can learn something from it.

00:51:07.310 --> 00:51:13.539 Laura Fravel: So it's not like you have to show up and share your struggle in the midst when you're feeling crappy.

00:51:14.220 --> 00:51:19.429 Laura Fravel: but wait and enable people to learn from your experience afterwards.

00:51:19.560 --> 00:51:21.619 Mira Brancu: Yeah, I so appreciate that

00:51:21.730 --> 00:51:24.220 Mira Brancu: you separated those 2 out.

00:51:24.260 --> 00:51:30.439 Mira Brancu: And and I really do resonate with with that as well. I don't

00:51:30.680 --> 00:51:36.520 Mira Brancu: want to share how I feel about certain things until I've made it clear in my own head.

00:51:36.580 --> 00:51:46.690 Mira Brancu: you know, because it's sometimes a mess helpful to anybody, and I'm not interested in

00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:54.090 Mira Brancu: adding burden to people I'm interested in. What can I pull out of myself that is useful and helpful to other people.

00:51:54.120 --> 00:52:03.609 Mira Brancu: And then, if I'm still struggling with something, then you know, I'm gonna figure out other ways, other support systems. In order to sort of address that right?

00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:13.430 Mira Brancu: Exactly. So. Yeah. Laura, what is out of all of the things that you shared with us. What is the one thing that you would like people to take away from today's talk?

00:52:15.150 --> 00:52:22.770 Laura Fravel: I always well, I love this quote. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all.

00:52:22.850 --> 00:52:29.900 Laura Fravel: and it's by Helen Keller. But I think that really sums up how I push

00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:34.259 Laura Fravel: leaders to show up a bit different to step out of that corporate box.

00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:38.679 Laura Fravel: And I think that is where the fun and magic happens is when

00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:44.110 Laura Fravel: that's what I see. When people do step out of that and kind of own more of their purpose.

00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.610 Laura Fravel: It's amazing.

00:52:46.890 --> 00:52:51.150 Mira Brancu: So that's why I love everyone. I have not heard that

00:52:51.210 --> 00:52:53.829 Laura Fravel: do something a little different this week.

00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.680 Mira Brancu: Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that. I really like it.

00:52:57.940 --> 00:53:00.430 Mira Brancu: So if people wanna

00:53:00.680 --> 00:53:05.160 Mira Brancu: learn more about you and your work and and get in touch. What's the best way?

00:53:06.130 --> 00:53:08.989 Laura Fravel: I'm on Linkedin a lot. So

00:53:09.460 --> 00:53:27.310 Mira Brancu: find me there for sure. And my website as well, and for those of you who are watching live? Or later, the video recording, I'm going to share her website. What would you like to share about this this website. What? What's on here? What can they find?

00:53:27.580 --> 00:53:30.429 Laura Fravel: Oh, what can they find?

00:53:31.530 --> 00:53:44.340 Laura Fravel: all of what I do? A little bit more of my philosophy. But resources sometimes has. I'll I'll put our recording of this podcast. There. But it just has some more events coming up more ways. You can

00:53:44.810 --> 00:53:49.169 Laura Fravel: can tune in, listen, learn. And of course.

00:53:49.240 --> 00:53:54.930 Laura Fravel: email me reach out. I'm very open to. I'm all about connection. So

00:53:54.950 --> 00:54:18.500 Mira Brancu: I'm absolutely open to people reaching out to me my email addresses right there. Awesome. Thank you. By the way, all if you're not able to see this, I was commenting back Channel to her that I find her website Stunning. And I was like, Tell me the name of the person who did this, and she's like it was me

00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:38.110 Mira Brancu: that we could pull out.

00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:48.440 Mira Brancu: What did you audience take away from today? And more importantly, what is one small change that you can implement this week, based on what you learned from Laura.

00:54:48.500 --> 00:54:58.910 Mira Brancu: Share it with us on Linkedin. We're both on Linkedin. Yes, and, so we could share you on right. We can support you.

00:54:59.490 --> 00:55:08.590 Mira Brancu: we're talk radio. Nyc is also on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and twitch and all over the place. It's just that Laura and I live on Linkedin. So find us there

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00:55:23.450 --> 00:55:25.389 Mira Brancu: Join us next Tuesday.

00:55:25.600 --> 00:55:34.390 Mira Brancu: November fourteenth, when we'll be talking with Scott, Osmond and Jaclyn Lane, who, co-authored, becoming coachable with Marshall Goldsmith.

00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:46.530 Mira Brancu: So in this episode, we discuss one of many aspects of developing the nuance hard skills needed to become an exceptional leader who can drive significant systemic change and make real impact.

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00:56:13.770 --> 00:56:17.700 Mira Brancu: Thank you to Talkradio, dot Nyc. For hosting.

00:56:18.140 --> 00:56:34.070 Mira Brancu: I'm Dr. Mirabanku, your host of the hard skill show. Thank you so much for joining us today, Laura, for those of you who are interested in connecting with Laura and finding more about how you can elevate your voice and impact do reach out. She's great.

00:56:34.090 --> 00:56:36.479 Mira Brancu: So thank you, Laura, we really appreciate.

00:56:36.540 --> 00:56:46.559 Mira Brancu: Thank you. Yes, I work one-on-one as well as do facilitate kind of leadership, development. So love to help people workshop. She speaks so reach out to her.

00:56:46.710 --> 00:56:51.690 Mira Brancu: have a great rest of your day wherever you're tuning in from. Thank you all. Take care.

00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.979 Laura Fravel: Thanks, Mira.

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