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EPISODE SUMMARY:
The audience will learn through the direct experiences of a global tech leader how she decided to move to different countries for her career and how she grew her career over time by making some wise and strategic decisions.
In this episode we interview a leader, Olivia Nadasan, about her career path and decision making process in the global tech and philanthropy space. She'll also share how she has remained visible and relevant as her career continued to progress despite the uncertain global environment.
Olivia Nadasan is a Global Business Leader, with an extensive track record in tech, leading business transitions, focusing on scaling the recurring revenue strategy in the Deal Management Strategy space, Finance Transformation, and Operations. She is also passionate about DE&I and Philanthropy, has served on multiple Board roles supporting these interests, including leading a non-profit organization for 4 years growing it into a professional community for women looking to upskill and expand their careers to the next level.
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In this episode of The Hard Skills, Dr. Brancu is joined by Olivia Nadasan, a Global Business Leader, discussing direct experiences with global tech and philanthropy. To kick off the conversation, Olivia shared her backstory, educational background, and how she got to where she is today. We then get to hear about Olivia’s first new opportunity in the working world which was a difficult choice to make, which was moving to a new position in Prague. Olivia said that there were many things to think over, but in the span of 3 weeks, she married her husband, packed, and left for Olivia to start her new position. It ultimately helped them to find stability and adapt to settling into a new environment fast and it became the best decision Olivia had ever made. This is a prime example of being in a time of uncertainty, which has been the theme for the first season of The Hard Skills, and so Olivia then explains how the pros and cons started to make sense and how the gray area diminished.
After the first break, we return to the conversation about Olivia’s travels over the years. Olivia grew up in Romania but has traveled to either study or work in France, Italy, The United States, and The Czech Republic. Olivia shares some of the difficulties she has faced over the years leaving Romania and leaving Europe to take on new opportunities elsewhere. What helped her over the years was having a great support system from her family and the technology to help her keep in touch with them. Traveling and leaving her home behind was a big risk, but everything she and her partner did was methodically calculated and thoroughly thought of to make these different moves possible. When traveling or changing jobs, there are always some sort of negotiables and non-negotiables. The four degrees of freedom related to the negotiables include salary, location, schedule, and job description. There is stuff you have to let go and can live without and others that you can’t afford to lose. Moving from Prague to the United States was hard for Olivia and her partner since there was so much to consider, so she shared what her way of thinking was like during the move, what she took into consideration, and what she values.
Moving along with the discussion, Dr. Brancu and Olivia lean more into Olivia’s trajectory in her career; how she strategically figured out everything she did to build her career, and the risks she has taken to be where she is now. She shares how she has developed the ability to adapt quickly to any situation she has been in. It also helps that she has found different sources for her to take on new roles that had ambiguity and volatility that allowed her to be flexible with new situations and scenarios. Over the years, Olivia has received many sponsors for her career, most of which she did not ask for, businesses have offered themselves She extends her gratitude to those who have helped her over the years because she would not be where she is now without the generous help from those sponsors who gave her new opportunities. Dr. Brancu mentions that Olivia has an interesting personality combination that not many people have, which is confidence leaning into uncertainty, but also humility when willing to learn and be adaptable. This is something not many people have, so it is important that we learn from Olivia so that we may try to have some more confidence during uncertainty, but also be open-minded to learning new things.
To close the episode, Dr. Brancu and Olivia discuss the hard and unpopular opportunities and how Olivia leaned towards those unpopular opportunities. Plus, they also discuss Olivia’s work in deal management, what it entails, and the opportunities that came from it. Dr. Brancu shows the website of the company Olivia was a part of, She NC, as Olivia goes more into detail about the company, the philanthropies they part-take in, and the different roles she has served. Now, Olivia is part of the board of the Towerscope Leadership Academy, which is also Dr. Brancu’s company, and the exciting opportunities that the academy will provide to new users.
00:00:29.010 --> 00:00:49.120 Mira Brancu: welcome welcome to the hard skills podcast. And show. I am Dr. Mirabanku. I work with leaders in healthcare, research stem and other technical fields, who want to develop an authentic leadership identity and create a healthy, inclusive workplace environment to retain the best people, doing the best work.
00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:54.509 Mira Brancu: in other words, developing the hard skills needed to make a greater impact
00:00:54.910 --> 00:01:06.630 Mira Brancu: this season. We've been exploring the first stage in my strategic leadership pathway model facing uncertainty. And today we're talking with Olivia Natas on about
00:01:06.690 --> 00:01:12.750 Mira Brancu: journey through uncertainty, the path to global tech and philanthropy. Now.
00:01:12.860 --> 00:01:25.570 Mira Brancu: we value evidence based practical solutions. In addition. So I don't want you just listening and watching to this passively. I want you to listen to her journey and pick out what you want
00:01:25.670 --> 00:01:35.599 Mira Brancu: for your own journey. Reflect deeply. Take notes. I always do and identify at least one small step to further develop your hard skills muscles.
00:01:36.060 --> 00:01:37.610 Mira Brancu: Okay? So
00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:51.190 Mira Brancu: Olivia Nanusan is a global business leader with an extensive track record in tech leading business transitions, focusing on scaling the recurring revenue strategy in the deal management strategy, space
00:01:51.280 --> 00:02:14.469 Mira Brancu: finance, transformation and operations. That's a lot of experience and expertise across a business. She's also really passionate, though, about De and I and philanthropy has served on multiple board roles supporting these interests, including leading a nonprofit organization for 4 years, growing it into a professional community for women looking to upskill and expand their careers
00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.129 Mira Brancu: to the next level. And, in fact.
00:02:17.310 --> 00:02:25.400 Mira Brancu: that's how she and I met so one common theme in her career has been to spot and invest in high potential. She's really good at that.
00:02:25.450 --> 00:02:32.589 Mira Brancu: And the other interesting fact is that she and I were both born in Romania.
00:02:33.220 --> 00:02:38.729 Mira Brancu: This show today could probably be called 2 Romanians, and their thoughts
00:02:39.010 --> 00:02:42.120 Mira Brancu: so welcome, Olivia, glad to have you on the show.
00:02:42.440 --> 00:02:51.280 Olivia Nadasan: I am super excited to be here. I am nervous, but I'm very excited. I'm doing this with a dear friend. So thank you.
00:02:51.400 --> 00:03:15.449 Mira Brancu: Awesome, awesome. We'll have a great time, and I think I suspect that. We are, we are amplifying. The Romanian podcast. Experience here, because you and I probably both have our families watching. That's like the entire support system today?
00:03:16.220 --> 00:03:29.220 Olivia Nadasan: Who do you have? Who do you have in Romania watching? Hi! Everybody. Alright. So let's go back to those early career beginnings.
00:03:29.700 --> 00:03:31.170 Mira Brancu: How did you get started.
00:03:31.210 --> 00:03:35.699 Mira Brancu: What was your first professional role? Tell us a little bit more about that.
00:03:36.530 --> 00:04:02.530 Olivia Nadasan: So I think I started early on by supporting my mother with her new business while I was still in university. So at the time I had just returned from studying in Italy for a year, she started the business, consulting and internal company and for a few years actually supported her, a kind of
00:04:02.530 --> 00:04:26.270 Olivia Nadasan: learn how to build a business, how to build a brand, how to sign customers. You know all of the open operations behind the scenes. How to scale. So then, when my first bigger job intact happened, which was at HP. And Romania where I was there for 4 years. I already had some background.
00:04:26.330 --> 00:04:47.889 Olivia Nadasan: And I think those first years, and then, you know, starting off in corporate world, in HP, were my defining years at the very beginning. Kind of learning how to navigate the corporate world. May sound really cool friends that I'm still in contact with after so many years.
00:04:47.930 --> 00:04:59.000 and I think that was like a very good starting point for me, professionally, and kind of moving forward. Even after after I moved out outside the Con country.
00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:13.819 Mira Brancu: So oh, interesting I had. I'm not sure I knew that you had worked for your mom for quite a bit of time picking up those skills. You know those business skills. And of course, that makes sense
00:05:13.820 --> 00:05:33.110 Mira Brancu: for anyone. Listening who's very early in their career. That's a great way to pick up skills not necessarily like you all have your, you know, parents who, you know with with areas of interest of yours, but just volunteering and getting experience as an apprentice or something like that in a business. Right? So
00:05:33.150 --> 00:05:34.890 Mira Brancu: let's talk about that first
00:05:34.930 --> 00:05:44.260 Mira Brancu: job. And HP, how did you come across it? How did you decide like that made sense for you as a first opportunity?
00:05:44.590 --> 00:05:47.200 Olivia Nadasan: Honestly, it was
00:05:47.260 --> 00:06:04.560 Olivia Nadasan: very out of the blue opportunity that came up I realized that, you know I cannot continue to work for my mom for too long. And I was right out to after finishing my university studies.
00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:09.890 Olivia Nadasan: So the it was an entry role and kind of starting from 0.
00:06:09.940 --> 00:06:24.779 Olivia Nadasan: I think my, for I had 3 roles at HP, but the first one was in order management and in the global Operations center that they had in in Bucharest.
00:06:24.890 --> 00:06:41.170 Olivia Nadasan: you know nothing very exciting, but it was for me. It was exciting at that time, because it was new, and I was facing something that I didn't face before. So definitely a really good starting point. It's kind of
00:06:41.340 --> 00:06:55.989 Olivia Nadasan: pro. Help me progress further and learn how to manage complexities and how to work in a team and how to support a team. And how to be, you know, just a nice human being to be around. Yeah.
00:06:56.220 --> 00:06:59.309 Mira Brancu: yeah, for sure. And in those first few
00:06:59.650 --> 00:07:14.530 Mira Brancu: job opportunities. You know, people don't necessarily realize, even if it's like not quite in the right field for you, or you're just not sure what you're getting yourself into. This is exactly where you start developing your hard skills. Aka, soft skills.
00:07:14.710 --> 00:07:31.830 Mira Brancu: And you mentioned a few right like, you know learning how to work on a team and navigate team dynamics are some of the most difficult skills. And the earlier you start the better off. You set yourself up for success for later opportunities. Right? So
00:07:31.970 --> 00:07:37.350 Mira Brancu: Now, what was the first new opportunity that you got? That
00:07:37.490 --> 00:07:48.979 Mira Brancu: was a difficult decision that, like you really had to think about this and what made it a difficult decision?
00:07:49.010 --> 00:07:53.990 Olivia Nadasan: Was the first time I actually had to consider a significant
00:07:54.000 --> 00:08:07.580 Olivia Nadasan: opportunity and kind of looking back now. Ii realized that was the best decision ever. It got me to where I am today. An opportunity came up from Cisco Prague.
00:08:07.630 --> 00:08:25.019 Olivia Nadasan: in Czech Republic, which was the place that I was eyeing for a while. Some peers of mine HP. Had moved to Prague at that time, and I kind of fell in love with that city a year before, when I had the business trip with HP,
00:08:25.090 --> 00:08:47.159 Olivia Nadasan: so the opportunity was kind of also connected to stuff that I've done at HP, and that was relevant for that specific role. So I decided, after you know, a lot of intense debates. If this is the right time to make this move, I decided to get there with my husband we should go for it
00:08:47.280 --> 00:08:57.640 Olivia Nadasan: so we made the you know the pluses and minuses table there were more pluses than minuses to consider. So in 3 weeks we packed.
00:08:57.780 --> 00:09:05.900 Olivia Nadasan: We got married. We rented an apartment in Prague downtown area, and we moved there in the spring of 2011.
00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.829 Mira Brancu: Oh, my, gosh, okay, wait.
00:09:09.270 --> 00:09:15.800 Olivia Nadasan: In 3 weeks. You packed and got married. Yes, and moved and moved
00:09:15.830 --> 00:09:18.590 Mira Brancu: and started a new job, you know.
00:09:18.760 --> 00:09:20.319 Mira Brancu: they say
00:09:20.470 --> 00:09:43.720 Olivia Nadasan: that some of the top stressors that like are the most hard to manage is marriage moving and new job, among other things, and you were doing all of those at the same time left his job the National Pressite Agency without the clear job in Prague.
00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:50.839 Olivia Nadasan: He did have like interviews on the way, and I had the role which was great. And you know.
00:09:50.840 --> 00:10:14.129 Olivia Nadasan: the interesting thing is that we we plan, like financially to be able to sustain ourselves. In a new country 1 one paycheck if needed for a couple of months, and until he would find a job, and he did. I think I don't know if it's good luck or faith, or whatever it was. But he did have multiple options and the role that he really liked.
00:10:14.140 --> 00:10:20.670 Olivia Nadasan: He got it offered on the spot other interview, which is very rare, that that happens.
00:10:20.770 --> 00:10:28.250 Olivia Nadasan: So it it really took us to a place of stability and kind of getting settled really fast.
00:10:28.710 --> 00:10:38.220 Mira Brancu: Yeah. Now, the way that you describe it almost sounds like magical, like it just all happened to fall into place. However, I suspect
00:10:38.260 --> 00:10:45.949 Mira Brancu: that there were a lot of really hard decisions, and the pros and cons were not that easy.
00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:53.919 Mira Brancu: And so this is like your first facing uncertainty. Situation. In your professional life.
00:10:54.060 --> 00:11:03.399 Mira Brancu: How did you get to the point where you felt confident that the pluses and minuses made sense that you were willing to take the risk, and also
00:11:03.640 --> 00:11:08.089 Mira Brancu: willing to take the risk related to
00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:13.249 Mira Brancu: n, not knowing whether your your future husband would have a job or not.
00:11:13.350 --> 00:11:16.909 Mira Brancu: How? How did you sort of get to the level of like.
00:11:17.210 --> 00:11:22.290 Mira Brancu: I feel confident enough. I think we've explored this enough. I think we have enough data.
00:11:23.300 --> 00:11:30.879 Olivia Nadasan: I think it's funny. He, you know he's the balance in our
00:11:30.920 --> 00:11:57.130 Olivia Nadasan: in our marriage. So I am the crazy one taking risks, and the. He's the one balancing things down. So it worked really well, because we have been at that time we work together for about 10 years, so we were going extremely strong as a couple, and I felt very comfortable. He felt very comfortable to take this risk together and see where this is taking guys.
00:11:57.130 --> 00:12:10.590 Olivia Nadasan: You know we were young and kind of let's go for it. This is an opportunity we might not have again, so it's kind of take the train when it comes and then figure it out.
00:12:10.910 --> 00:12:12.540 Mira Brancu: Yeah, yeah.
00:12:12.590 --> 00:12:19.010 Mira Brancu: And I mean, I do appreciate that.
00:12:19.570 --> 00:12:26.509 Mira Brancu: when you're in a relationship with somebody else, and it could be a spouse, but it could also be a parent.
00:12:26.740 --> 00:12:39.400 Mira Brancu: It could be a child like anybody that you feel like you are. Either, you know, taking care of each other, looking out for each other, supporting each other, caregiving whatever that is. The decision is a lot harder, because
00:12:39.410 --> 00:12:52.580 Mira Brancu: it's not just like you taking a risk on your own and facing the consequences. It's you. together with whoever else is part of that equation, having to come together
00:12:52.610 --> 00:13:02.990 Mira Brancu: and making those decisions together. And when you're facing uncertainty. one of the things that I like about you know your sort of story about. This is
00:13:03.220 --> 00:13:17.759 Mira Brancu: that you know how you're balancing each other out, and what you're bringing, what you're each bringing to the table like you recognize like you're the risk Taker. You're like you, said the wild one, or whatever you're the one that's most likely to lean into lots of
00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.159 Mira Brancu: big, bold
00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:30.170 Mira Brancu: decisions right? And he balances you out to make sure that it's not just some impulsive, you know thing that doesn't take into account
00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:34.580 Mira Brancu: all of the important factors to keep to maintain some level of stability.
00:13:34.800 --> 00:13:48.059 Mira Brancu: Is that right? Yeah. And that's really important. You know, again, when we're talking about facing uncertainty, who's part of the equation. Who's gonna be impacted? Who's gonna be?
00:13:48.260 --> 00:13:56.850 Mira Brancu: you know. you know. needing to support you and come along with your decision. If it's not just
00:13:57.110 --> 00:14:08.120 Mira Brancu: you know, you yourself. And you right? So that's really important. Okay. so when we come back, we're gonna look at like, what then.
00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.479 Mira Brancu: were your next steps? In this
00:14:11.500 --> 00:14:21.440 Mira Brancu: right? I'm looking really looking forward to it. So we're nearing an out break. You're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mirabranku and our guest, Olivia Nadason.
00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:43.630 Mira Brancu: The hard skills airs live every Friday at one Pm. Eastern. For the next few weeks we will be changing it. I'll tell you more about that later. But today, if you would like to join our online audience and ask any questions that we can answer. We can answer them right now. In real time you can find us on Linkedin or Youtube at talk radio, Nyc, and we'll be right back with our guest in just a moment.
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00:16:48.530 --> 00:17:16.390 Mira Brancu: Welcome! Welcome back with me, Dr. Mirabanku Alan, the hard skills with our guest, Olivia. Not a son. Now. We are here as part of my sub series. On listening to leadership journeys from real leaders, and Olivia has had a spectacular leadership career within the global tech industry. And we just got done talking with
00:17:16.579 --> 00:17:25.229 Mira Brancu: or about her first big major decision. At this point she's in prague.
00:17:25.540 --> 00:17:44.539 Mira Brancu: with Cisco in her first big leadership role after a really sort of tough decision, but important one in her journey. This is now probably the third country she's lived in. Right at this point. And early in her career, right Italy, Romania.
00:17:44.860 --> 00:17:49.899 Mira Brancu: Czech Republic. Where else? I started one year in France as well when I was very young.
00:17:50.040 --> 00:18:03.759 Mira Brancu: So you you are already of a global mind. You're already thinking globally, which is a big deal, you know, when people make decisions about their job changes, they don't often think about
00:18:04.070 --> 00:18:15.549 Mira Brancu: moving to a brand new country, but you are already kind of comfortable with those experiences which certainly would make it easier. So you have moved to a number of different countries for your job.
00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:17.320 Mira Brancu: Was it difficult?
00:18:17.340 --> 00:18:26.489 Mira Brancu: to at some point? I know you lead. You left the the country and and the end the continent.
00:18:27.520 --> 00:18:34.410 Mira Brancu: You left Romania, and you left Europe at some point. How difficult was that?
00:18:34.420 --> 00:18:43.100 Mira Brancu: How did you maintain your relationships? How did you make that decision? That seems like a major move of leaning into uncertainty.
00:18:43.480 --> 00:19:01.590 Olivia Nadasan: Totally, Major. I think that was the hardest decision, especially since we are both very, very close with our families. but they understood the opportunities and supported us. 100 and you know, we decided earlier on that if an opportunity makes sense
00:19:01.770 --> 00:19:11.979 Olivia Nadasan: from a life perspective overall we need to consider it no matter where. That is how hard it may be.
00:19:12.030 --> 00:19:22.349 Olivia Nadasan: And I think you know, we were really lucky to have the right support from our families, and you know, thank God for technology that kept kept us in touch
00:19:22.430 --> 00:19:29.079 Olivia Nadasan: every day. I think the hardest move has been actually moving to us.
00:19:29.090 --> 00:19:40.920 Olivia Nadasan: as you said this one, you know, it's not just a 2 h hoping on a flight to get back to Bucharest. It's cross continent flights. There's always something happening when you travel.
00:19:41.010 --> 00:19:47.890 But you know. Now, looking back 7 years since we moved to North Carolina.
00:19:47.900 --> 00:19:56.549 Olivia Nadasan: I do trust that this has been the most you know, rewarding and the best move. And actually, each move
00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:15.680 Olivia Nadasan: has been amazing, because, you know, it was very. Everything was very thoroughly calculated, planned for. Any. All points of view from, you know. Living costs lifestyle, allocation safety over the new place, proximity to office.
00:20:15.800 --> 00:20:26.650 Olivia Nadasan: opportunities to make friends to have fun. So at the end of the day, you know, I do consider that home is where you make it.
00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:35.540 Olivia Nadasan: and I think this is why it was really natural for the 2 of us to make this kind of moves.
00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:48.250 Olivia Nadasan: When we decided to leave the country. We were, as I said, 10 years into our relationship in in the first time in in Prague. And then, you know, when we moved
00:20:48.430 --> 00:21:01.270 Olivia Nadasan: to to us few more years gone by. We we know how to communicate whenever we need to make a huge decision. It helped really a lot to be both in tech.
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:12.460 Olivia Nadasan: So we've been consulting about everything, making sure we're both. We're both comfortable with the this kind of decision and the risk taking aspect of it.
00:21:14.760 --> 00:21:19.469 Olivia Nadasan: you know it. It just it. I feel like it's worked out by itself somehow.
00:21:20.300 --> 00:21:22.270 Mira Brancu: Yeah, although I mean
00:21:23.180 --> 00:21:42.960 Mira Brancu: it didn't work out by itself. II have track now 5 different things, and I'm sure I miss some about what you calculated to make this a calculated, thoughtful, intentional, strategic risk that you took. And so II wrote down like you thought about like, where would it be
00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:50.500 Mira Brancu: easier and more likely to make friends. That's an interesting one. Where? You know. Safety.
00:21:50.550 --> 00:21:52.510 Mira Brancu: Where might you feel safe?
00:21:52.560 --> 00:21:57.390 Mira Brancu: location, salary, standard of living?
00:21:57.610 --> 00:22:03.469 Olivia Nadasan: What else? Ha! Ha! What else was on your like checklist that you had to sort of think through
00:22:04.970 --> 00:22:07.520 Olivia Nadasan: lifestyle, I think, was important.
00:22:07.770 --> 00:22:11.520 Olivia Nadasan: And obviously
00:22:12.620 --> 00:22:29.449 Olivia Nadasan: be close to, you know, airports close to a hospital. You know just the the complex stuff, but also like the everyday life operations that you have to
00:22:29.870 --> 00:22:45.610 Mira Brancu: handle. So yeah, you know what? When you when you share this list, I think of 2 things. One is that it actually matches one transition that most people can relate to, which is retirement.
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:52.850 Mira Brancu: Most people think about these things usually at retirement age, like where we would, we want to go next, if we move
00:22:52.960 --> 00:23:06.329 Mira Brancu: is it safe? Can we find friends? Can we find hospitals and healthcare? Can we be able to be close to airport to get to family standard of living all of that stuff. However, you can apply the same exact list.
00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:13.780 Mira Brancu: So every transition in your life. so that you're quote unquote, retiring, or moving on to the next
00:23:13.890 --> 00:23:18.909 Mira Brancu: thing the next chapter in your life. Right? So I love that.
00:23:18.950 --> 00:23:31.199 Mira Brancu: Yeah. The other thing that it made me think about is I often talk with people when they're trying to make decisions about career. That are really tough. What are their negotiables and non-negotiables.
00:23:31.650 --> 00:23:38.310 Mira Brancu: because Mentor once told me, you know, you might have maybe
00:23:38.570 --> 00:23:47.310 Mira Brancu: 4 degrees of freedom when you're thinking about making a decision. Right? One is salary. Another is location.
00:23:47.450 --> 00:23:50.839 Mira Brancu: another is your schedule.
00:23:50.930 --> 00:24:13.600 Mira Brancu: Another one is. Did you see that balloon go up? By the way, watching zoom is set up in a way where, like apparently like, if I may make some big bold moves with my hands, it turns into something I had no idea that I could make a balloon go up now. I'm trying to make it happen. I don't know. Anyway. Going back to the negotiable, negotiable
00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:26.420 Mira Brancu: There's like 4 degrees of freedom. Usually right. There's there's salary, there's location, there's schedule and then, you know, make like the type of job.
00:24:26.570 --> 00:24:31.720 Mira Brancu: And often you can't have all unless you move
00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:33.660 Mira Brancu: right like
00:24:33.810 --> 00:24:44.489 Mira Brancu: you. You usually have to compromise on something. And so you have to really think deeply about like what's most important to me. And what are the things that I'm willing to compromise on, that? The negotiables?
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:51.990 Mira Brancu: Then we let go and compromise on, and the non-negotiables? There's no way I'm compromising for you. When you made this decision.
00:24:52.060 --> 00:25:05.340 Mira Brancu: It's very difficult decision to move to a brand new continent. Were there certain absolutes, non-negotiables. And then, were there other things you were willing to let go of or compromise on?
00:25:05.580 --> 00:25:07.700 Olivia Nadasan: There! Hmm!
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:12.400 Olivia Nadasan: There were. But I would say that first of all.
00:25:13.090 --> 00:25:27.519 Olivia Nadasan: it come kind of goes back a little bit to our first 2 experiences in Prague and Krakow, Poland, because when we moved from Prague to Proco.
00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:34.159 Olivia Nadasan: We actually had kind of a 50 50 on pluses and minuses that, you know.
00:25:35.070 --> 00:25:53.970 Olivia Nadasan: we're balancing each other. But because we were in a good place in in Prague. You know my husband was getting promoted. I have the new, really great external offer to consider, so it was a very, very difficult to make that decision.
00:25:53.970 --> 00:26:05.299 Olivia Nadasan: But we kind of had to look at the positive aspects of future potential. This is exactly what we did when we decided to move to to
00:26:05.390 --> 00:26:15.199 Olivia Nadasan: you know, how are we going to handle a new role for me? First of all, that was extremely
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:31.159 Olivia Nadasan: difficult at that time. There wasn't precedent in the company. in in that subscription. Sas space. That was the time when Cisco was just starting to transition to software.
00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:54.599 Olivia Nadasan: So I knew there's gonna be complexity there. It, it kind of it. It. It was a difficult time. We we we figured out that, hey? It either goes the right way or it goes south. We have this amount of years that our visas are available. If something doesn't work out.
00:26:55.090 --> 00:27:11.230 Olivia Nadasan: you know, you can come back to Europe. So for us it was like, Let's go. Let's see how it goes. Let's see if we like the area. If we adapt to the new life there, if we like the food, if we make friends
00:27:11.360 --> 00:27:28.579 Olivia Nadasan: and have, like a good life that we've had before. And so the balance kind of in time. After that first year, rebalance itself it was. It's everything started to come into its place.
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:43.169 Olivia Nadasan: I also started getting involved a lot in the community. I joined Ashi and C at that time, which later on, I actually got to manage for a couple of years.
00:27:45.030 --> 00:27:51.250 Olivia Nadasan: I think it's just a matter of being really true to yourself and your values at the end of the day
00:27:52.570 --> 00:28:05.910 Mira Brancu: awesome you mentioned she and C. We're going to come back to that in a moment. That's a nonprofit that Olivia leaned into, and we will definitely get into her philanthropy efforts. But
00:28:06.090 --> 00:28:15.549 Mira Brancu: we are nearing an add break. And when we come back I really wanna pivot into how you made
00:28:15.910 --> 00:28:31.389 Mira Brancu: you develop the career that you did like, what were the sort of strategic moves, and not just like moving to a different country, but actually, like the decisions to grow your career from one level to the next. So I think people will be really interested in that. So
00:28:31.540 --> 00:28:33.150 Mira Brancu: with that in mind.
00:28:33.330 --> 00:28:54.550 Mira Brancu: Let's get into the add break. You're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Miraba Bronco and our guest, Olivia Madison. The hard skills airs live every Friday at one Pm. Eastern time. If you'd like to join our online audience and ask any questions you're welcome to, we can answer them in real time on Linkedin or Youtube that talk radio to Nyc, and we'll be right back with our guest in just a moment.
00:30:55.670 --> 00:31:07.349 Mira Brancu: Welcome back with me, Dr. Mirabonco, on the hard skills. And our guest today, Olivia Nada, son. Now, Olivia has had a stellar incredible global tech
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.530 Mira Brancu: leadership career.
00:31:09.580 --> 00:31:23.309 Mira Brancu: And globally, I think at at this point I might have tracked about 5 countries she's lived in for her career. I don't know. I can't even keep track anymore. But how languages you speak. By the way, Olivia.
00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:25.620 Olivia Nadasan: Romanian.
00:31:25.630 --> 00:31:32.730 Olivia Nadasan: native English is not native Italian, Spanish, French.
00:31:33.040 --> 00:31:34.910 Olivia Nadasan: And I can
00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:54.450 Mira Brancu: get some orders in a restaurant in Czech Republic and Poland. Okay? So we talked a lot about your career decision making more from a personal perspective at this point. You know, things like
00:31:54.730 --> 00:32:03.909 Mira Brancu: looking for the right location and making a decision with your partner and safety and Sal, you know, salary standard of living lifestyle, that kind of thing. But
00:32:03.970 --> 00:32:06.900 Mira Brancu: what I wanna transition into right now is like.
00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:20.380 Mira Brancu: tell us the actual trajectory of your career. What kind of positions did you go to? From what to what? To what and how did you actually make that happen? Cause I'm pretty sure
00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:44.579 Mira Brancu: you're pretty strategic about those decisions and positioning yourself. And I'm not sure everyone is as intentional and strategic as you are. So I think a lot of people would benefit from hearing this. Yeah, absolutely. I think II did make substantial efforts over obviously for any opportunity that I was stopped for, and kind of came along
00:32:44.610 --> 00:32:47.849 Olivia Nadasan: in time. You know. I started from
00:32:48.550 --> 00:32:51.540 Olivia Nadasan: just very early and kind of
00:32:51.650 --> 00:33:02.150 Olivia Nadasan: junior roles and started moving up, getting more senior, taking leadership roles. Early career read leadership roles than
00:33:02.390 --> 00:33:04.260 Olivia Nadasan: management roles
00:33:04.280 --> 00:33:15.029 Olivia Nadasan: director president of the office. But I do
00:33:15.380 --> 00:33:19.309 Olivia Nadasan: realize that to be able to do all of that.
00:33:19.450 --> 00:33:23.980 Olivia Nadasan: Someone has to see that. So I think
00:33:24.170 --> 00:33:28.449 Olivia Nadasan: I had the right level of support from sponsors.
00:33:28.590 --> 00:33:47.590 Olivia Nadasan: Someone at higher level that was in a position of decisions that could see a potential and would sponsor my career. And I've I've had those people in my life for a long time. They're still there, and I'm really grateful for, for you know their support.
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:55.489 Olivia Nadasan: And II kind of feel like there's a lot of factors that kind of help me pivot over the years.
00:33:55.660 --> 00:34:00.349 Olivia Nadasan: And I think it has been my ability to adapt really fast
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:19.129 Olivia Nadasan: to any changing environments, to be open, to take roles and projects that were not very popular at first, or that maybe others didn't wanted to consider so I've never been shy of challenges. Every single role I had
00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:29.669 Olivia Nadasan: from an analyst to a manager, to a senior manager, to a director. It has had a lot of challenges.
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.609 Olivia Nadasan: and kind of
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:43.709 Olivia Nadasan: each one of them took me outside of my comfort zone. Even my involvement with the local communities have have been, you know, incredible experience. But again.
00:34:43.750 --> 00:34:51.479 Olivia Nadasan: coming from on an immigrant here with 0 experience in leading an American nonprofit organization
00:34:51.719 --> 00:35:10.850 Olivia Nadasan: that put me in a in a space of learning and being very humbled about what I'm seeing around me and all the people that are you know, I got to connect with. And because this is, you know, including yourself, we. This is how we we became friends over time.
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:18.089 Olivia Nadasan: So it's kind of starting from a very like a it's like a pyramid.
00:35:18.230 --> 00:35:22.089 Olivia Nadasan: but it doesn't go lean. It goes like this.
00:35:23.030 --> 00:35:36.170 Olivia Nadasan: So I feel like you know, from the resources that I had available to me. I was definitely able to make things work out.
00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:56.399 Olivia Nadasan: I've gone into into roles that have volatility, a lot of ambiguity. You know, facts that I was made aware of immediately at the beginning, so I think a special skill that might have been developed over time. Is kind of being open to figuring things out.
00:35:56.410 --> 00:36:18.079 Olivia Nadasan: Course correct as much as needed. Be open to receive feedback and kind of learn from others that are smarter than you. So in a way, it's kind of a balance of bleeding through change, uncertainty. But at the same time it's it's it's a humbling experience.
00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:36.020 Olivia Nadasan: It doesn't matter. The level that we get to. It is really humbling to get there because it can look really nice and shiny from the exterior. But there's a lot of effort and a lot of thought that goes in behind the scenes.
00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:44.150 Mira Brancu: Yeah, absolutely. So. Let me dig into a couple of things that you mentioned here number one you mentioned sponsors.
00:36:44.210 --> 00:37:04.780 Mira Brancu: You. You describe what sponsors are, which are, you know people who are not just mentors, but people willing to put themselves on the line to help you get sort of that next opportunity, whether that's speaking highly of you when you're not around or positioning you for opportunities. A lot of people ask, how do I get a sponsor?
00:37:04.790 --> 00:37:07.489 Mira Brancu: I get that question a lot. What are your thoughts on that?
00:37:08.910 --> 00:37:16.229 Olivia Nadasan: You cannot ask to get one? It kind of happens naturally, when someone really
00:37:16.670 --> 00:37:32.329 Olivia Nadasan: it is something that you do, or your personality, or your background that resonates with them in a way. And it's in my case it came really natural. It wasn't an ask. It was
00:37:32.350 --> 00:37:37.010 Olivia Nadasan: something that they initiated.
00:37:37.560 --> 00:37:47.900 Olivia Nadasan: So I feel like if it's a space where you have offered opportunities to for them to see how you operate
00:37:48.170 --> 00:38:10.109 Olivia Nadasan: how you perform, how you know what potential you could have for bigger things. And they are in a position where they can put your name forward or push you for things that you know you might not be ready. II wasn't ready for many of the roles that I had
00:38:10.300 --> 00:38:16.240 maybe I was like a 50 50%. But I acted like, I'm 100%
00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:22.510 Olivia Nadasan: because I knew I'm gonna get there with the right support and the right positive mindset.
00:38:22.770 --> 00:38:46.249 Olivia Nadasan: So it just took a little bit of help, I think. And I'm II that's why I cannot take like the full credit. I need to give credit to those that have given me those OP. Opportun opportunities, and on my side, what I can do is paid forward, which is what I usually do. And I've done this a lot over the past few years.
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:49.730 Olivia Nadasan: And I think it's paying out really. Well.
00:38:50.640 --> 00:38:53.360 Mira Brancu: yeah, I will.
00:38:53.540 --> 00:39:04.799 Mira Brancu: Add a little bit to that, because I bet that actually, you did do things that you didn't necessarily recognize in order to be
00:39:05.100 --> 00:39:08.479 Mira Brancu: visible and recognized and tapped
00:39:08.550 --> 00:39:15.020 Mira Brancu: by sponsors willing to become sponsors without you asking. And so a couple of them
00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:23.469 Mira Brancu: is if I'm hearing correctly, you mentioned being willing to Do
00:39:24.100 --> 00:39:26.300 Mira Brancu: you know unpopular things.
00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:35.879 Mira Brancu: jobs that other people didn't want? Right? Boy, do leaders like that? I mean, they have things they need to get done, and the person says.
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.219 Mira Brancu: Can I help you?
00:39:37.470 --> 00:39:43.969 Mira Brancu: I'm willing to help you with this. Is highly valuable. And
00:39:44.610 --> 00:39:47.699 Mira Brancu: also being able to anticipate leaders needs
00:39:47.770 --> 00:39:56.059 Mira Brancu: a lot of times we think about our own needs and how our leaders can support us. But often we don't think about?
00:39:56.350 --> 00:40:00.060 Mira Brancu: What is my leader struggling with? And how can I
00:40:00.120 --> 00:40:09.570 Mira Brancu: identify that for them and offer some support or some help and join them in their challenge and offer a solution.
00:40:09.670 --> 00:40:14.810 Mira Brancu: and it doesn't need to be like calling them out on a problem. It just set, you know, means
00:40:14.830 --> 00:40:23.389 Mira Brancu: stepping in and being willing to try to support and some of the things that you did were like you said being open to figuring it out.
00:40:23.650 --> 00:40:44.139 Mira Brancu: you know not. Everybody's open to figuring it out. Some people are so nervous and scared of making a mistake or, failing that, they're not gonna try. But you weren't worried about that. You are more interested in the learning and growth opportunity than you were about the failure opportunity. And I think that makes the difference in being identified as someone who has growth potential.
00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:45.880 Mira Brancu: And
00:40:45.950 --> 00:41:06.849 Mira Brancu: there's a book that I'm I'm recently reading. Actually, I'm gonna have these folks on my show in a little while. Their co-authors. They just put out another book. So it's Jacqueline Lane, Scott Orzman and Marshall Goldsmith, the Marshall Goldsmith that, you know. Wrote what you know. Got you here? Won't get you there, and and business coach
00:41:07.120 --> 00:41:12.399 Mira Brancu: I'll have Jacqueline and and Scott on my show about their new book becoming coachable.
00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:23.340 Mira Brancu: And one of the things that is in that book is having the interesting combination that I'm hearing in you, Olivia, about being both confident
00:41:23.650 --> 00:41:27.039 Mira Brancu: in terms of being willing to lean into uncertainty.
00:41:27.080 --> 00:41:31.999 Mira Brancu: but also humble in being willing and open and interested in learning.
00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:42.850 Mira Brancu: It's an interesting combination that not everybody has. Some people are too humble. Some people are too confident, but the combination means you're coachable. You're easy to
00:41:42.970 --> 00:41:52.190 Mira Brancu: you know, and and willing to learn and be adaptable and grow. And that makes an enormous difference for people who are looking
00:41:52.330 --> 00:41:57.560 Mira Brancu: for high potential folks. I totally agree with you, and
00:41:57.710 --> 00:42:00.770 Olivia Nadasan: besides this, I feel like in general.
00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:06.249 Olivia Nadasan: I was the probably the right person at the right time for the right roles.
00:42:06.640 --> 00:42:07.670 Mira Brancu: and
00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:10.089 Olivia Nadasan: you know it. It it
00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:21.669 Olivia Nadasan: it was a a journey of making a lot of mistakes. I'm not a big fan of failure, but I do fail often and get up and learn and move on.
00:42:22.680 --> 00:42:32.269 Mira Brancu: Yeah. And and timing is absolutely a big thing. So one final question before our next add break is
00:42:32.390 --> 00:42:44.759 Mira Brancu: what are those challenges that you have faced in your industry? Global changes, disruptions, and especially like doing the
00:42:44.790 --> 00:42:50.530 Mira Brancu: things that other people don't wanna do. What what did you do in those situations?
00:42:50.680 --> 00:43:07.339 Olivia Nadasan: I think I was open to learning and not having a background or a lot of information to start from and just trying start starting some something from from 0.
00:43:07.770 --> 00:43:18.600 Olivia Nadasan: And I think at this point, you know, there's a lot obviously going on in tech it's how it has been heavily impacted over
00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:35.420 Olivia Nadasan: the last 12 to 18 months. There's a lot of changes of vision and direction. So it's it's kind of we always want to be on top of things and to be on top of things. You need to do things that have not been done before.
00:43:35.750 --> 00:43:36.780 Olivia Nadasan: and
00:43:37.060 --> 00:43:54.340 Olivia Nadasan: usually people tend to want to stay comfortable or in a space that they have some level of knowledge and not to go head straight into projects or roles or initiatives that have.
00:43:54.530 --> 00:43:58.600 Olivia Nadasan: you know, they need to start from scratch
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.620 Mira Brancu: definitely. Yeah.
00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:06.170 Mira Brancu: Okay. So with that said, we're gonna get into our add break.
00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:13.599 Mira Brancu: You're listening to the hard skills with me, Dr. Mira Branku and our guest, Olivia Nadas on, and we'll be right back after the break.
00:46:17.810 --> 00:46:24.250 Mira Brancu: Welcome welcome back to the hard skills with me. Dr. Mira Branku and Olivia Nicean.
00:46:24.410 --> 00:46:33.030 Mira Brancu: Olivia, we just finished talking about what it takes to be noticed and visible in order to grow your career.
00:46:33.040 --> 00:46:48.070 Mira Brancu: and you mentioned a number of things that help you grow your career. In addition to sponsorship, there was being willing to lean into feed, feedback and be coachable. There was adaptability, openness to figuring things out and
00:46:48.240 --> 00:46:54.290 Mira Brancu: taking on the hard, sometimes unpopular opportunities. Right?
00:46:54.420 --> 00:47:09.920 Mira Brancu: And so I want to get into those hard, unpopular opportunities for a moment. And in in 2 directions. One is in your like primary roles that you do now
00:47:10.410 --> 00:47:21.040 Mira Brancu: and then the other is in the philanthropy space. And how did you sort of learn how to lean into those hard, unpopular opportunities?
00:47:23.120 --> 00:47:36.149 Olivia Nadasan: Sounds great? So currently, as you know. And you you mentioned I am in the deal management space. This is a fun. Let me interrupt you for a second, for those who don't know
00:47:36.480 --> 00:48:03.799 Olivia Nadasan: what the heck is. Deal management. Yes, it's not something that many people are aware of. So it is a function that usually is part of finance or sales ops, or revenue operations, and be basically differs from company to company. It depends on how they see this type of organization. But the basics are that are the same all across.
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.259 Olivia Nadasan: It's a function that provides strategic
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:15.559 Olivia Nadasan: direction. analytical insights, commercial perspective and governance
00:48:15.650 --> 00:48:28.550 Olivia Nadasan: to support sales. So they close good deals for the company. Making sure that you know number one priority supporting customers grow in within their industries.
00:48:28.560 --> 00:48:49.740 Olivia Nadasan: So it's a function where we are responsible for making everything from kind of managing this, quoting a configuration with the right products skews, programs and promotions, pricing commercial terms. Everything that is in our scope drives
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.980 Olivia Nadasan: AR AR means annual recurring revenue growth.
00:48:54.210 --> 00:49:08.119 Olivia Nadasan: So we are advisors to sales. Partners on, you know, deal structuring deal strategy. We're keeping them compliant in terms of respecting policies and ethics.
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:19.020 Mira Brancu: So it's a pretty cool job to have. That sounds like 10 roles in one, Olivia, like, I'm writing here. Data, risk compliance, sales, marketing strategy.
00:49:19.270 --> 00:49:31.749 Olivia Nadasan: It's a really cool job to have it. You get a lot of cross functional exposure. You see, the market trends across different segments and geographies.
00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:50.100 Olivia Nadasan: You learn firsthand which technology is preferred by customers and kind of learn from lost deals as well. So it's definitely that kind of role that has a huge impact. To any company. Healthy growth, I would say.
00:49:50.210 --> 00:50:05.270 Olivia Nadasan: and I love it. I've done this for the past 13 years, and I know some really amazing people that are making huge huge difference for the companies that they work for currently vmware.
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:06.470 Olivia Nadasan: So
00:50:06.740 --> 00:50:08.459 Olivia Nadasan: very interesting place.
00:50:08.730 --> 00:50:33.259 Mira Brancu: Now, how does this have anything to do with all of your philanthropy efforts outside of this job. Right? Let's let's talk about a number of them, and like what led you to lean into these? And what are the causes that you have lean into. Very, very interesting situation that I was put in actually in Krakow.
00:50:33.310 --> 00:50:53.820 Olivia Nadasan: Where you know, I moved few years back, and the local Vp at that time had asked me for to join as a stretch assignment and become a career development site leader, for a new employee resource organization that they created
00:50:53.880 --> 00:51:03.470 Olivia Nadasan: in order to support the site to grow and progress. And that was completely out of my comfort, zone and knowledge zone and
00:51:03.620 --> 00:51:05.250 Olivia Nadasan: any zone.
00:51:05.850 --> 00:51:22.309 Olivia Nadasan: But because of that exposure I started to be really interested in learning about career development, and you know what, how I can support others
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:33.970 Olivia Nadasan: grow. So when the opportunity came, when I was in us and there was an opportunity to join Cnc. As a member.
00:51:33.990 --> 00:52:03.940 Olivia Nadasan: I did that in the hope that I'm I just moved here. I want to learn more about you know all the thank you. We are live. So I'm sharing for those who are watching or on the recording a little bit more about she and she, since she has mentioned it a few times. Yes, it, and you know it has been it was something that I've done for about 4 years
00:52:03.970 --> 00:52:14.540 Olivia Nadasan: it was I started from being a member to being part of the board to being part of you know, leading it as a president.
00:52:14.560 --> 00:52:28.959 Olivia Nadasan: And the supporting women get the right level of support of, you know, guidance in their careers be able to connect with their peers from different companies, a network
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:46.400 Olivia Nadasan: upscale. So there was a lot of thought Po. Put into creating and growing that organization where I stepped down you know, 2 years back, but I still think of it extremely fondly, because
00:52:46.420 --> 00:53:03.659 Olivia Nadasan: it gave me a lot of opportunities to support the community locally here in North Carolina. Meet you and other very close friends of mine that have been part of the board at some point
00:53:03.750 --> 00:53:29.259 Olivia Nadasan: and kind of opened up my eyes about giving back and being a community role model and supporting other women. Have safe community to discuss about their career challenges, about how they would like their careers to grow. So yeah, that's kind of
00:53:29.950 --> 00:53:37.270 Mira Brancu: yes, and it. It was, a really amazing opportunity to serve in a leadership role
00:53:37.920 --> 00:54:03.499 Mira Brancu: and also receive support and be surrounded by people who are interested in developing and growing right. And we have actually moved on from those leadership roles within that nonprofit to other opportunities to work together. So you know. Would you like to share a little bit more about our new venture with Towerscope Leadership Academy?
00:54:03.590 --> 00:54:14.630 Olivia Nadasan: So II think I joined the Board about 10 months ago. And we have been working on developing
00:54:14.790 --> 00:54:19.350 Olivia Nadasan: program for women that
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:47.849 Olivia Nadasan: at the same, you know, similar to the profile that I've had before they need that additional help to move forward to understand how to overcome certain challenges within their current roles. What could be? You know, a roadblock for them to develop further or
00:54:48.270 --> 00:55:05.380 Olivia Nadasan: everything that comes from having a space where they can discuss about everyday challenges. How they would make decisions about their careers, about their, you know, negotiating new roles.
00:55:05.450 --> 00:55:16.299 Olivia Nadasan: So it's it's a very interesting community. We just got started with the first cohort and I'm really excited where this is. Gonna go.
00:55:16.330 --> 00:55:34.480 Olivia Nadasan: So we'll we'll see. I think the next few weeks are gonna be really nice to get together with the entire group and kind of shape this from you know, for the future, which is next year, and next year we're gonna have the full membership kick off
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:47.049 Mira Brancu: absolutely. Yes, we're super excited about it. If you wanna learn more, by the way. And you're watching this. Here's a QR. Code to go straight there, or you can go to Www. Dot go towerscope.com to learn more.
00:55:47.390 --> 00:56:03.509 Mira Brancu: and I just wanna sort of close this out with thanking Olivia for sharing her leadership journey and what it took and the decisions that that went into it. There's a lot of thought. There's a lot of strategy. There's a lot of intentionality. So I want you to think about what you took away from today.
00:56:03.600 --> 00:56:17.249 Mira Brancu: What's one small change that you can implement this week, based on what you learned from Olivia? Share it with us on Linkedin, at Mirabranku or Olivia Nada, son and at talk radio to Nyc, so we can cheer you on.
00:56:17.650 --> 00:56:31.850 Mira Brancu: And we are now officially on itunes and spotify as an official podcast so if you like this and our other episodes, please go subscribe, leave a review share with others to help us increase our visibility, reach and impact.
00:56:31.950 --> 00:56:33.830 Mira Brancu: Okay, so
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:48.449 Mira Brancu: next Friday. We're excited to have Rob Fazio on when we're gonna be talking about how to use subtle strength and motivational capital to navigate nebulous organizational politics. It should be really interesting.
00:56:48.630 --> 00:57:03.159 Mira Brancu: Thank you. Everyone. Thank you for Talk radio, Nyc for hosting. I'm Dr. Mirabanku, your host of the hard skills and thank you for joining us, Olivia. Have a great rest of your day wherever you're tuning in from.
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