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EPISODE SUMMARY:
The audience will gain awareness of what first generation college students bring to the table.
Being a first-generation student is a deeply intersectional identity as it takes into account issues of race, class, gender, immigrant status, and sexual orientation. Most importantly, it brings to the forefront issues of social capital. Often the assumption is that first-gen students lack social capital (inside knowledge that increases success), resulting in underperformance in higher education. There, however, is emerging research on asset-based approaches to serving first gen students that is moving the conversation from what they lack to to the unique forms of knowledge that they bring to the table.
Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her returning guest, Truth Hunter, as they bring to the forefront an empowering narrative for first-generation students. Truth will draw from over 15 years of experience with and advocating for first-gen students in California, New York, and Connecticut.
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00:00:48.350 --> 00:01:08.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello, and welcome to the dismantle racism show. I'm so delighted that you have chosen to join me today. You know. The goal of this show is to educate and eradicate dismantle racism, and we do that by really having guests on the show who have such phenomenal experiences
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00:01:28.430 --> 00:01:45.009 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Again, you don't have to do what my guests are doing. I say this all the time. You don't have to do what I'm doing, but find something that's based on your gift, based on what you offer to the world, and say, this is what I am going to do to make a difference, because
00:01:45.370 --> 00:01:49.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: even the small things that we do. I was talking to someone the other day
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00:02:09.470 --> 00:02:16.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when they had a ceremony for one of their previous presidents, there were people who told her. I donate it
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00:04:17.250 --> 00:04:21.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just began to be present with the moment.
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00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:09.709 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just breathe in and out connecting with your feelings
00:05:09.860 --> 00:05:12.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what you're feeling like in your body.
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00:05:28.710 --> 00:05:34.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that we are all trying to advocate for racial equity.
00:05:36.830 --> 00:05:39.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know that you're not alone in your quest.
00:05:40.780 --> 00:05:48.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So as you connect with all of those people. begin to connect with your own personal supporters
00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:54.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the people who guide you, the people who mentor you, the people who
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00:05:58.890 --> 00:06:01.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and give gratitude for those people.
00:06:02.320 --> 00:06:11.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and as you're giving gratitude for those present day, people give gratitude for the advocates who came before you.
00:06:12.570 --> 00:06:15.609 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the people who helped to change a system
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00:06:49.930 --> 00:06:51.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are enough.
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00:07:10.070 --> 00:07:15.839 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and as you meditate and breathe on the gratitude that you feel for yourself.
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00:07:26.070 --> 00:07:31.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now I want you to take a deep breath in slowly release it.
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00:07:41.830 --> 00:07:43.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You may open your eyes.
00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:49.249 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I hope you're feeling grounded and centered for the conversation that we're going to have today.
00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're gonna be talking today about first generation college students
00:07:56.740 --> 00:08:04.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and the intersectionality of their identity, as it relates to socioeconomic status, race
00:08:04.570 --> 00:08:05.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: gender.
00:08:06.140 --> 00:08:17.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: immigrant status, sexual orientation. We're hoping that we'll get a chance to talk about some of that intersection intersectionality, because we have so much that we want to talk about.
00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:23.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But today we're really going to take a look at how are first generation students support it.
00:08:25.780 --> 00:08:28.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What can we do better? Who's supporting them?
00:08:29.370 --> 00:08:35.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So we really want to talk about what's the narrative that we hold? Because oftentimes
00:08:35.400 --> 00:08:43.449 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the institution. And other people think that they're doing first generation students a favor. And that's of course.
00:08:43.590 --> 00:08:57.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's wonderful to become educated is wonderful to have to have to not pay, if that is the case for first generational students. But what we lack when we do that we take on this sort of
00:08:57.710 --> 00:09:01.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this, the Savior complex when we do that.
00:09:01.150 --> 00:09:28.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And we don't think about the social capital that first generation students bring to the table. So today, we're going to be talking about that. And I'm delighted today because we have a returning guest. Truth hunter, who came on in July, and when she was on in July she she came from a whole different perspective. She was talking about West African dance, and what that could do for the spirit, the soul, the healing.
00:09:29.280 --> 00:09:33.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But she's a multifaceted woman. And so today, truth
00:09:33.710 --> 00:09:42.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is here to talk about first generation students. So I'm gonna just read a little bit of her bio to you, which is a little different than what she had before.
00:09:43.580 --> 00:09:56.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She was raised in Oakland, California, and in 2,003 she journey journeyed to South Hadley, Massachusetts, to attend Mount Holyoke College.
00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:09.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There she studied critical social thought with the concentration in post colonial studies. Within this field she examined how people of African descent reinvent their identities in the aftermat
00:10:09.340 --> 00:10:19.749 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: math of slavery and colonialism. After graduating, she pursued a career in educational advocacy and worked directly with low income youth
00:10:19.810 --> 00:10:24.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who would be the first in their families to pursue higher education.
00:10:24.780 --> 00:10:42.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to take her work to the next level, she decided to study higher education and student affairs at the University of Connecticut. While in graduate school she researched how first generation students develop resilience to successfully reach their educational goals.
00:10:42.390 --> 00:10:52.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Truth continued her advocacy for underrepresented populations by serving in the role of director of race and ethnicity programs at Connecticut College.
00:10:52.690 --> 00:11:15.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Additionally, truth, Hunter is an adjunct faculty member at Eugene O'neill Theatre Institute in Waterford, Connecticut, and teaches a semester long course on implicit bias. Over the last 10 years. Truth has facilitated numerous social justice workshops for students, staff, and faculty at colleges and universities throughout the northeast.
00:11:15.300 --> 00:11:29.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Currently, truth is a doctoral student, that department of educational leadership at the University of Connecticut. Her research focuses on decon de basically decolonizing
00:11:30.160 --> 00:11:44.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a equitable classroom practices for faculty enter group dialogue and embody pedagogy. That's a mouthful there. Truth. In fact, I don't think I even said everything that's listed here. So
00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: truth.
00:11:47.080 --> 00:12:05.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I just wanna welcome you to the show. And I just am so appreciative that you're here today because I know working on a Phd program. Having done that, how you're stretched for time. So it is an honor to have you on the show again. Thank you so much for being here, and your time.
00:12:06.750 --> 00:12:09.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and so truth you have to unmute yourself there.
00:12:11.310 --> 00:12:16.869 Truth Hunter: Thank you. I come with so much gratitude. It's a pleasure to be here a second time around.
00:12:17.410 --> 00:12:45.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So truth, we're just going to. I get into it. I know we're gonna have to take a break in in just a few minutes. But before we do truth, you know, II find you to be so amazing. And I just wanna say that just like, you know, reading your bio, but experiencing you because I've known you for a long time. I knew you when you working at Connecticut College, in the work that you did there, and I can say you put your all into every
00:12:45.920 --> 00:12:52.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: situation that you're doing, and you stay committed to justice, equity.
00:12:53.030 --> 00:13:17.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: healing, helping first Gen. Students out all the time. And so I, I'm just grateful for the work that you do, and I can't to see what's going to happen when Doctor Truth comes on the scene. So true, you know, right before the break, because I know we have to take one in just a little bit. You maybe you could begin to tell us a little bit about.
00:13:18.070 --> 00:13:45.999 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why are you so interested in this work, and and and it's a minute. So I tell you what, we're going to break because we're giving us signal set aside for a break in just about 30 s. So when we come back, tell me what brings you to this work? Why, one, why do you want to work with first Gen. Students, and so we'll pick up on that after the break. This is the dismantle racism show. I am your host, the Reverend Doctor Telc. We'll be right back.
00:15:53.730 --> 00:16:03.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today. Truth, Hunter and truth. II gave you a question right before the break that I want us to focus on. But before I do that because I wanna do justice to you.
00:16:03.510 --> 00:16:10.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When I was reading your bio, I did not say that your research focuses on the colonial audio ethnography.
00:16:10.990 --> 00:16:19.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I'd love for you to explain that because your research, you're looking at classroom practices, all of these other things are important.
00:16:20.570 --> 00:16:25.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I wanna hear about that just for a second. Will you enlighten our audience with what that means?
00:16:26.280 --> 00:16:50.089 Truth Hunter: That you have to unmute yourself. Yes, thank you. So the colonial auto ethnography is a form of methodology in education in which you look very deeply at your life experiences, and you connect it with de colonial theory. So early in my doctoral journey my adviser
00:16:50.360 --> 00:17:04.490 Truth Hunter: invite well, actually, right. Before I became a doctoral student, my advisor invited me to be one of a panel of educators and scholars
00:17:04.490 --> 00:17:29.359 Truth Hunter: around decolonial ethnography. I hadn't been exposed to it at all, and she wanted it to be performance based. So I represented dance. We had another person who represented spoken word. She also did some poetry, and then another member of our 4 person team. She did like a Mr. Of like Media, and also some of her experiences as a dancer.
00:17:29.600 --> 00:17:52.079 Truth Hunter: So what we were doing was, we were bringing the arts to a very like academic conference, and we each did our performances, and we connected. We connected it to decolonial theory. So after we completed our performances and we got feedback at this Higher Education Association Conference.
00:17:52.080 --> 00:18:16.650 Truth Hunter: People were saying, actually, you're embodying theory, and you need to write more about it. So we we wrote an an article based upon Maya Angelou's book, called, We know why the cage Bursings in the Academy, and we use Maya Angelou's book to make a conceptual framework to analyze our our art space performances.
00:18:16.650 --> 00:18:28.389 Truth Hunter: So in a nutshell, what auto ethnography is is an opportunity to do some deep excavation on your personal journey that you connect the personal to the structural.
00:18:28.390 --> 00:18:53.370 Truth Hunter: Oh, I never forget that your experiences with oppression or the ways that you overcome oppression are always deeply connected to the structural and the ideological and the macro levels of our society. Oftentimes, when we hear narratives, because we live in a society that oppose individualism, even when it's positive.
00:18:53.370 --> 00:19:01.970 Truth Hunter: If I've overcame this, I was the first. There's a lot of eyes, right? So what a decolonial
00:19:01.970 --> 00:19:07.410 Truth Hunter: auto ethnography helps us to do is, what is that personal story?
00:19:07.540 --> 00:19:12.850 Truth Hunter: And how does it connect to the structural? And, as we know
00:19:13.090 --> 00:19:27.129 Truth Hunter: in America is a settler, colonial implant. Okay, is capitalist. Those are the historical streams of our society. They don't go away with time
00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:53.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? It's so. So what you're saying is really how you live your life, though how? How you've done your work. So as we hear a bit of your story today, even as we're looking at how you came into this work first in, you're actually still putting it into practice with with what you're doing, the way you navigate the world, but also the ways in which you support other people who are navigating the world. So I can't wait
00:19:53.030 --> 00:19:58.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to see what after truth is gonna be doing after. So now let's get back to your interest
00:19:58.800 --> 00:20:04.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and first, generational students. So tell us how to name, you know.
00:20:05.070 --> 00:20:11.020 Truth Hunter: So passionate about this. Yeah, thank thank thank thank you so much for this question.
00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:19.889 Truth Hunter: First of all, the first generation identity, the first generation status for many years was invisible.
00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:33.320 Truth Hunter: This conversation we're having around first generation, college students is relatively new, like within, I would say, like the last 10 years, institutions have been creating first generation centers.
00:20:33.410 --> 00:20:35.790 Truth Hunter: first generation programs.
00:20:35.840 --> 00:20:47.409 Truth Hunter: first generation mentoring first generation research. So for years we just sort of missed it right? It was treated as invisible. We thought it was class.
00:20:47.560 --> 00:21:05.360 Truth Hunter: We thought it was race. But what I love about the first generation. College experience is all of those things, and you can't really box it in as being on one specific form of oppression.
00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:22.500 Truth Hunter: specific type of experience. It's deeply intersectional in nature. So oftentimes the first generation, college experience becomes racialized. People automatically equate
00:21:22.820 --> 00:21:46.029 Truth Hunter: students of color as being first generation college students. But we have to be careful there. That's not always the case. Well, exactly. And in addition to it, that be true, there are a lot of white students who are absolutely. There's a lot of white students who are first generation college students as well. And that's really important to highlight, because
00:21:46.030 --> 00:21:59.000 Truth Hunter: we know that it's intersectional. But we don't want to just make it just a people of color thing. And that's important, because what has been attached to that is that
00:21:59.150 --> 00:22:10.540 Truth Hunter: these students of color who are first gin are coming into higher education with a deficit. So we're attaching this deficit narrative specifically to racialized
00:22:11.300 --> 00:22:34.669 Truth Hunter: students. And that's not necessarily the case. There are a lot of first generation college students who are white students as well. Another thing about first generation. Oh, you're giving us the gamut of first generation. My question to you was, how did you become so passionate with work? Right? Absolutely my own experience
00:22:34.770 --> 00:22:43.999 Truth Hunter: it was to be completely honest in high school. It was just like straight up my dream to go to college.
00:22:44.130 --> 00:23:02.580 Truth Hunter: It's the thirteenth grade, or I mean, I watch different world every day before I mean, I was fascinated by college, and always loved to learn, and I always had something within me where I felt like I was.
00:23:02.580 --> 00:23:18.530 Truth Hunter: It was my right to have a high quality education, considering that I came from a failing public school district, Oakland. So, as I was graduating, I remember my Ap. Social Science teacher telling us
00:23:18.530 --> 00:23:48.090 Truth Hunter: you all are about to miss a bullet because the State is about to take over the district, and when the State takes over the district, that means the district has failed. Essentially. So. That's where I come from. But I always love to learn, and that passion for learning opened so many doors for me. So my counselor knew that, and he was in touch with Mount Holyoke College.
00:23:48.090 --> 00:23:53.120 Truth Hunter: and they were looking to recruit women of color, and he thought of me.
00:23:53.150 --> 00:24:14.300 Truth Hunter: and I went to visit Mount Holyoke College in Massachusetts. So I'm a young black girl from the hood of Oakland. I show up to South Hadley, Massachusetts, at New England Elite Institution. I had no idea where any of those things meant, but all I knew is that
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:40.939 Truth Hunter: I have the right, the human rights to have a high quality education, considering what I came from from K to 12, right fighting for a second, because you've said it twice, that you had the human right to have it love about you, saying, that is because often people will assume it, based on class based on race that you don't deserve to be there. In fact, I had
00:24:40.940 --> 00:24:54.649 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: had a a white woman saved me. I think I've said this on the show before she was talking about her daughter not getting accepted to some pro university. I don't know where it was, and she said, well, what I don't understand is, why did they let
00:24:54.980 --> 00:25:16.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: like all those black kids and minority kids in? But she can't get in, and it's like. Oh, so you're saying that they do that she deserves to be there, and they don't. And I don't think that she realized that what I cause at the moment I said, does she know she's talking to a black woman? That's pretty blatant to say that. And so I thought that you're saying.
00:25:16.930 --> 00:25:36.160 Truth Hunter: You have the right to be there. So I think that if we start there with saying, these students deserve to be here just like the students who come or who come from the Berkshires. Right? That's what this episode is about. We that's a part of changing the narrative.
00:25:36.170 --> 00:25:46.170 Truth Hunter: a high quality education for a student who wants to advance themselves is a human right bottom line.
00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:51.830 Truth Hunter: right? It's not because of your socioeconomic status. It's not because
00:25:51.830 --> 00:26:16.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you're a legacy student, my grandpa before, and my grandpa went to this institution is not because of the color of your skin. You feel like you're entitled to be in this space, and this is how I speak to my students when they come to me and like I don't know if I belong here. I'm the only one, so it's interesting truth. They they. You say that because I do want to talk about what it feels like
00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:20.740 for first, since you've worked with them so much. But because here's the thing
00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:28.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that I know that First James, when they have that question cause I've met plenty of them in my team as well.
00:26:28.570 --> 00:26:30.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It is hard enough
00:26:31.060 --> 00:26:45.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for students who have parents who have gone to college navigate a school academic setting. And so now you're putting on students who whose parents don't have the experience, I think, about my children.
00:26:45.060 --> 00:27:09.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Their their life is so much easier because they have a mom who's been in school for ever, ever, ever right. And so the life is so much easier because I know the steps to tell them. Today I know what happens is if you're having a problem with your instructor. Go talk to your instructor. A lot of students don't know that even students who come from parents who've gone to school, and so then they find out they get in trouble. So imagine
00:27:09.760 --> 00:27:19.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: if you're first generation and you can't talk to your parents about this. Can't talk to sometimes friends or the people in your neighborhood. So tell us a little bit
00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:21.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about
00:27:21.580 --> 00:27:35.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what are some of the difficulties that students face. And we're gonna start this before of right. What are some of the the difficulties that first generation students face, that people who are in academic settings need to be aware of?
00:27:36.050 --> 00:27:53.170 Truth Hunter: Absolutely. I think some of the challenges that first generation college students face is oftentimes we talk about this concept of social capital and social capital are a set of
00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:54.570 Truth Hunter: skills.
00:27:54.920 --> 00:28:19.329 Truth Hunter: insight, knowledge actually comes from, not how intelligent you are. But what are your networks that have given you access to that information? So, for example, your daughters. They have access through information as a result of their relationship with you. So the relationship is really the thing
00:28:19.330 --> 00:28:39.809 Truth Hunter: that is making helping students navigate this experience. So I think that's the first thing is really understanding the power of social capital. And what that means, that because the other thing that I think about, too.
00:28:39.810 --> 00:28:44.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And and this was my experience as a professor.
00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:48.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Those kids who come from
00:28:48.600 --> 00:28:53.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: various backgrounds that had to do with wealth or just a good education system.
00:28:53.410 --> 00:29:05.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The difference I would see sometimes in their writing, and sometimes that meant that Mom and Daddy were probably given some, you know, feedback on it as well. Well, when you're first, Jen, you may not have that
00:29:05.180 --> 00:29:22.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to say, Hey, mom, can you look over this essay and see if it makes sense, or whatever the case may be, right? And so so even supporting students when they come with that telling them the inside knowledge, right? There's there's
00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:28.079 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowledge that's gonna help us be successful if we know the right people to talk to. And
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:34.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think often what happens based on class grace, etc.
00:29:35.340 --> 00:29:56.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Sometimes people feel like I can't ask for help. I've got to do this absolutely. That's really important. We're gonna come back and continue our conversation, because I know there's much more that you want to say about how we can also support first Gen. Students. And and if there are other things that you want to also highlight in terms of
00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:05.449 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what they deal with when they come to campus. I'd love for our audience to hear that we'll be right back with the dismantle racism show.
00:32:08.540 --> 00:32:25.699 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest, truth, Hunter, and we've been talking about first generation students. And so before the breakthrough you and I were talking about the social capital. The first Gen. Students bring to the table, and we were also just kind of highlighting. What is some ways to
00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:32.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: support first Gen. Students, because what are their concerns when they come to school help us
00:32:32.450 --> 00:32:37.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: help us to understand the mindset of first Gen. Students, so that we know how to support them.
00:32:37.600 --> 00:32:41.359 Truth Hunter: Absolutely, I think. One.
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:46.970 Truth Hunter: I've been advising first generation college students for
00:32:47.110 --> 00:32:56.490 Truth Hunter: over 10 years and one there are several, not one. But I'll speak to one narrative that keeps coming up.
00:32:56.560 --> 00:32:58.209 Truth Hunter: Am I good enough.
00:32:58.250 --> 00:33:00.409 Truth Hunter: Am I smart enough.
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:28.409 Truth Hunter: right? And a lot in in in being able to be in a position of an advisor. Is an advantageous position, because you're not a faculty member in which the student feels like they have to perform, or that you're gonna grade them. So I really, so a lot of first, and students really pour their hearts out to me in a lot of private settings, I think
00:33:28.950 --> 00:33:40.690 Truth Hunter: the fear of failing and feeling that pressure from not only having to prove yourself
00:33:41.340 --> 00:33:46.589 Truth Hunter: in the classroom. but also having to prove yourself to your family.
00:33:46.940 --> 00:34:00.990 Truth Hunter: So I think a really important aspect of the first gen experience is that you're having a very intensive experience in college that your family has no context around.
00:34:01.790 --> 00:34:09.010 Truth Hunter: So you're always kind of straddling and going back and forth with like. I can't miss a step in class.
00:34:09.460 --> 00:34:15.839 Truth Hunter: If I ask my professor for help, it might show that it might confirm that
00:34:15.940 --> 00:34:33.630 Truth Hunter: I don't belong here right? But then you, your family doesn't fully understand what you're going through. So I think that as a first generation college student, I like that the word generation is in it
00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:52.029 Truth Hunter: because it's not just about the student. It's actually about the family's journey around this student who is entering into this environment entering into academia which could
00:34:52.030 --> 00:35:04.180 Truth Hunter: can conceivably be dramatically different from where they've come from. So the school support that support those students, because I remember hearing a story on Npr. About.
00:35:04.540 --> 00:35:11.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I don't remember then the the person's name now, but it was a young man who got $200,000 to go to school.
00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:33.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and he went to school, and then he flunked out his first semester, and he's he was talking about like I didn't feel the support. I didn't know what to do when XYZ. Happen, and it's interesting, because at the time of the show he was waiting tables, so here was this bright young man with a great future. If he had $200,000.
00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:56.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A lot of that was based on academics, right? Didn't have what he felt like in it. So what do schools do to support students? Yes. So based upon my experience, I was the assistant director of an educational opportunity program at a small art school in upstate New York. Then I came to Connecticut College in New London
00:35:58.680 --> 00:36:09.739 Truth Hunter: as much as we don't talk about this in academia relationships are everything like on a whole new level.
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:29.650 Truth Hunter: So when we're bringing our students in, we have to create these relationships at the peer level, so they need a peer immediately who can speak to their current circumstances. You also need a faculty mentor
00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:47.170 Truth Hunter: who can help affirm who they are academically, and that's really important because oftentimes first generation students, especially if that identity intercepts with being a racially minoritized student, they start to feel like
00:36:47.470 --> 00:36:51.049 Truth Hunter: they were accepted because of a quota.
00:36:51.240 --> 00:37:02.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's right. Well, because that's what society tells them the narrative from society. And then they start believing that narrative. They start believing that. And what a faculty mentor can do.
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:06.029 Truth Hunter: This. Intervention is really important.
00:37:07.170 --> 00:37:17.829 Truth Hunter: The faculty mentor can not only just simply tell them that they belong. The faculty mentor can say work on this research project with me.
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:24.560 Truth Hunter: I remember at Mount Holyoke my African-american studies, Professor, I'll never forget this.
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:39.230 Truth Hunter: He sat down and taught me how to write cause I turned in my first paper and I was like, Can I have it back? I wanna revise it. He was like, no, and I was like. No, I really need to revise it. He's like, let me just let me just read the first and the last paragraph.
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:47.750 Truth Hunter: They make you go. And then he hands me back the paper. and then he goes. Wait!
00:37:48.060 --> 00:37:55.270 Truth Hunter: I'm gonna teach you how to write, and sat down, and he taught me how to develop my thesis and how to
00:37:55.420 --> 00:38:19.440 Truth Hunter: find supporting evidence and how to like, organize my, I mean, I got into it like I was like, I wanna do this paper right now. That's what a faculty member can. They can give you the skills. They don't just tell you you can do it. They're like, I'm gonna show you, or or just mark you, you you are right now. Cause look, I have to tell you I had an experience once where I had
00:38:19.460 --> 00:38:25.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a student in my class, and he could not write, and I was called.
00:38:26.290 --> 00:38:30.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now. I didn't do what that professor did. That probably would have been a good thing to do, but I was
00:38:30.710 --> 00:38:37.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I. So I give a lot of feedback when when I'm writing, anyway. But what I was appalled is is like.
00:38:37.170 --> 00:38:38.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: did this school know?
00:38:39.190 --> 00:38:43.619 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But this was writing level when you came in, and you're a junior. Now.
00:38:44.700 --> 00:38:47.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how are they? How is this possible
00:38:47.070 --> 00:39:00.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you're writing at this level. Understand? When you come in as a freshman, as we tell students to go to a writing center and all of that. But there. There does need to be that person who's going to walk those students through the journey.
00:39:00.230 --> 00:39:28.410 Truth Hunter: Because just to say you can't write doesn't help. And that's why the faculty mentorship is such a powerful intervention because they really help students build those skills. And when you build a skill set, you build their confidence. And that's when they start to believe that they belong. Okay. So the faculty mentorship.
00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:33.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know that individual professors can do that.
00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:35.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Tell me about
00:39:35.700 --> 00:39:38.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when it's structured, though, when you
00:39:38.950 --> 00:40:01.810 Truth Hunter: absolutely so. When I was at Bar College in upstate New York, I created, along with other colleagues, a program called Bringing theory to practice. And this was specifically to support the retention of first Gen. Low income students, racially, minority high students in stem.
00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:16.949 Truth Hunter: We made sure that every student had a peer mentor which we called a coach, and we also had a faculty mentor. And then we did group mentoring. So those 3 layers are really important. You need the
00:40:16.950 --> 00:40:46.430 Truth Hunter: you need the groups so that you can hear the other narratives. Oh, I'm going through that in my chemistry class, too, like the same thing happened to me when it was time to partner up all the students left me out because I was visibly the only person of color, you know. It seems like that. But let's talk about that. That's that happens all the time, right? That happens all the time. But then they're in this group setting where they're hearing each other's stories. So that's really important, the collective peer mentoring.
00:40:46.430 --> 00:40:54.769 Truth Hunter: And then to have that individual pyramid, or who's one or 2 years ahead of you. Who can say.
00:40:54.770 --> 00:41:19.310 Truth Hunter: Hey, go to this, professor for this, or look at my notes from last semester or that peer mentoring connection is really important. And then, like I explained, the faculty connection can come in and really help with building that skill set which is critical because we don't want to just tell students that they have access to
00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:29.100 Truth Hunter: to college. We want to actually give them the skills so that they can manifest their potential so they can see their potential.
00:41:29.330 --> 00:41:35.169 Truth Hunter: just, curious truth cause. I know some people listening here. They're not in in academia.
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:51.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: People who, from the community do to support students who might be in college. Because, as you're talking, I'm thinking another component would be to hold students up with a local person who can work with them as well. But what are your thoughts about that?
00:41:52.420 --> 00:42:04.210 Truth Hunter: Absolutely. I think around this conversation, around changing the narrative around first-generation college students are really important, affirming who they are
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:21.880 Truth Hunter: as scholars is so important, not just as students who got accepted into a competitive institution. Because what's gonna end up happening is that the default ideas that I got in. Because.
00:42:22.330 --> 00:42:48.430 Truth Hunter: you know, I'm a racially minoritized student, or I'm a first generation college student. But what the community can do is affirm the intelligence, the brilliance, the intellect of our scholars breathe life into that, you know, and you can do that regardless. If you're a person who has a college degree or not take interest in what they study. One thing I appreciate it
00:42:48.540 --> 00:42:57.500 Truth Hunter: about my father. you know he always wanted to know about what I wanted to study, even though he may not have had a reference point for it.
00:42:57.660 --> 00:43:13.719 Truth Hunter: and I would sit down. I would talk to him about critical social thought and post-colonial theory, and be so engaged, engage them intellectually, take them seriously, intellectually, so that when they show up in these spaces
00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:25.649 Truth Hunter: they can feel the energy of their voice, and know that their contributions are valuable. I want to just say something. Since you mentioned your father and you being a first generation student
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:44.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: student. We make assumptions about folk who come from first generational families that their families are not interested in learning. What we need to understand is their circumstances may have been different. I mean, I always talk about this older gentleman from my high school, who had a fourth grade education.
00:43:44.870 --> 00:43:49.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I mean from my neighborhood. When I grew up. Fourth grade education
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: brilliant though
00:43:51.400 --> 00:44:07.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's right. And so one of the narratives we can change for my for those who are listening today is that the the first generational students who who have the opportunity to go to college also have parents.
00:44:07.700 --> 00:44:15.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: colleagues or or friends from the neighborhood who are wishing them the best, and that goes back to the pressure
00:44:16.050 --> 00:44:28.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because true, they're like truth. You went to college. So you've gotta come back. That's a whole. Another thing that that we can't go. We're not gonna go back and talk about all the pressure that ended up itself. But I do. Wanna say this.
00:44:29.180 --> 00:44:45.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That also means that there might be a need for some emotional support like, get a counselor when you go to school, get someone you can go to and just talk through. Talk to them about what you're feeling. And
00:44:45.330 --> 00:44:48.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the other thing I want to say before we quickly go to break is this.
00:44:49.300 --> 00:45:01.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's important for the schools to hear this information that you are sharing. because if a school doesn't know if professors don't know, professors should be trained on this.
00:45:02.510 --> 00:45:12.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is deep, deep stuff that we're talking about, because we're talking about the impact psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, even physically, on these students.
00:45:13.140 --> 00:45:14.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and
00:45:14.630 --> 00:45:27.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we can lose the students if we don't know how to care for them. So I think I think training is necessary. We're gonna take a quick break to come back for a final segment. But I would love, for when we come back for you to talk about.
00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:35.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what do first Gen. Students bring to the table a bit. Yes, so we'll be right back with the dismantle racism. Show
00:47:39.560 --> 00:47:49.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we are back with the dismantle racism, show truth. Talk to us about what? What do first generational students bring to the table
00:47:50.100 --> 00:47:51.810 Truth Hunter: so much
00:47:52.150 --> 00:48:06.440 Truth Hunter: I am going to first start with a resource in which I'm drawing this work from. So the work of Tara Yilso. She has an article that has been very ground breaking in education called
00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:12.899 Truth Hunter: whose culture has capital. And she talks about all these forms of capital
00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:29.440 Truth Hunter: that aren't typically recognized and acknowledged in higher education that our students bring. But back to what you were saying when we train faculty and we train staff to see these things, we can begin to leverage the strength
00:48:29.530 --> 00:48:33.060 Truth Hunter: that our students are bringing. It's they're bringing so much.
00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:48.299 Truth Hunter: But it's not being acknowledged and leveraged as valuable. And that's the shift that needs to happen. So take, for example, if you came from like I did a failing K through 12 system
00:48:48.410 --> 00:48:49.820 Truth Hunter: then.
00:48:50.040 --> 00:49:13.730 Truth Hunter: and you made it to hire Ed. You know something about how to collect resources, how to develop networks. When I was in high school I was in every college prep program. So I had multiple mentors. So you know how to find resources, and you know how to navigate structural barriers. That's a skill.
00:49:13.730 --> 00:49:23.369 Truth Hunter: Yes, yes, refers to that as navigational capital. Right? That's really critical. Here.
00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:28.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You figured out how to do that right. There are kids.
00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:42.670 Truth Hunter: my kids included. There's certain things they know, because that's what they've been taught. They didn't have to navigate it for right? So that becomes a source of knowledge, because through that process of trying to figure it out.
00:49:42.710 --> 00:50:03.769 Truth Hunter: you're gaining all this knowledge about how to advocate for yourself how to set goals, how to articulate those goals right, because you know no one else is going to do it for you. So that is something that first generation college students bring to the table, especially if English is not their first language.
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:15.299 Truth Hunter: So they bring linguistic strengths. That's the strength, you know. And oftentimes, you know unfortunately in our very elitists
00:50:16.150 --> 00:50:22.530 Truth Hunter: us-centric culture when we hear an accent he might
00:50:22.850 --> 00:50:35.020 Truth Hunter: for whatever reason which is ridiculous. We may not think that person is intelligent just by their accent, but the the beauty of knowing 2 languages
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:54.149 Truth Hunter: is yes, you know, 2 languages. But you know how to think in 2 different ways. Culturally. So you know how to think about problems from different perspectives. Because when you learn a language. You also learn how to think differently. So our students bring that with them
00:50:54.200 --> 00:51:00.329 Truth Hunter: linguistic capital, you know, and they bring aspirational capital.
00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:10.059 Truth Hunter: They know what it means to go after a dream and to not have everything lined up in place for you.
00:51:10.110 --> 00:51:21.140 Truth Hunter: you know. And when I went first generation students, that's that inspiration that I feel literally building something
00:51:21.160 --> 00:51:23.180 Truth Hunter: that no one has built.
00:51:23.250 --> 00:51:42.439 Truth Hunter: and we have to give them credit for that. So I would highlight those people. But but we need those people when we're working on projects and all that, because they're gonna think outside the box absolutely. But we as educators, as mentors, as invi as advisors.
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:56.140 Truth Hunter: We have to help them to connect the dots. They're just doing what they need to do to be successful. They're not thinking it's knowledge. They're not thinking as cultural capital. They're actually thinking, like, I'm coming in with a deficit.
00:51:56.220 --> 00:52:24.749 Truth Hunter: We have to help them to translate this I love when you turn on that light bulb is is is over. It's over. They are catapulting to the next level. There are no limits to what they can do when they know what their strengths are, and also when they when the expectations are clear, on what they need to work on, too. And speaking of expectations.
00:52:24.790 --> 00:52:33.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think it's important for professors and teachers to have expectations of their students, because one of the things that I know happened when I used to work in a high school
00:52:34.140 --> 00:52:37.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: teachers would often be okay with a student making a seed.
00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:51.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I would say, but if they can do better you you shouldn't be okay with that. And I had to teach the students, too. Don't think that this is great when they tell you. Oh, it's great. You gotta stay in here. No, you can do better if you can't. I understand that.
00:52:52.140 --> 00:52:55.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But a lot of them could. If you tell me I had students
00:52:56.150 --> 00:53:02.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who would miss. Days and days and days of school will come to school on a day that there was an exam and get an a
00:53:02.550 --> 00:53:07.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. That means that you have a capability there. Right? And so.
00:53:08.410 --> 00:53:13.289 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as I'm listening to you. I'm thinking about, it's important for
00:53:13.460 --> 00:53:20.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the professors as well to take an interest in the stories of these kids, and maybe for professors
00:53:21.380 --> 00:53:22.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to
00:53:22.650 --> 00:53:32.689 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: write a syllabus that's inclusive of other ways of learning or showing your learning rather than just being strictly academic.
00:53:32.850 --> 00:53:57.739 Truth Hunter: absolutely, and some of those resources do exist. I know, within the context of the University of Connecticut there are trainings, often times. They're not mandatory, so it's usually the professors, the ones who always go to the extra mile for their students will go to those workshops and figure out, how can I develop a syllabus that is in tune with the needs of
00:53:57.740 --> 00:54:22.580 Truth Hunter: first generation college students, low income students, racially minoritised students. There is a wealth of research out there about that. But what we need to do is we need to bring that information from the books, and we need to put it into practice. And that is what's critical. So I do know that there are a lot of efforts to train faculty right now
00:54:22.580 --> 00:54:39.989 Truth Hunter: on a lot of these things, but the challenge is that oftentimes is the choir. And there are programs that exist where they can go through a whole faculty development program. Right now I am on a committee where
00:54:39.990 --> 00:55:01.819 Truth Hunter: stem faculty are being trained in, in, in equity, minded practices, and they made a commitment for a whole academic year to do this. And you know all these things, it it because it's just like when I talk to people about
00:55:01.830 --> 00:55:14.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, anti racism training. You can't just go to one course and figure all this out. And so when I'm hearing you talk about this, there's a need to be trained so that people understand what their stereotypes are
00:55:14.690 --> 00:55:19.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right, all those or their implicit biases as I you
00:55:19.600 --> 00:55:35.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: having your bio about teaching about. That is important for us to know what our thinking is, and some of us could have come from a similar background and still have that thinking, not good, the narratives that we hold
00:55:35.470 --> 00:56:01.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about these students. Well, truth, it has been such a delight to have you on here, and and I hope well, I know my listeners got something from what we've discussed today, and I'd love for the listeners to write in and to share your thoughts about that, because what you've talked about is you've talked about the narrative. You've talked about how to change that narrative, and you've given us a little bit of the insight with what the student was feeling.
00:56:01.620 --> 00:56:10.789 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and so we need to be able to support our students who are trying to do the best that they can do and to navigate systems that
00:56:10.970 --> 00:56:36.449 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they're unfamiliar with. So I do. Wanna thank you. Truth for being on on the show and someone as is commenting so great to hear truth speaking with so much power. And I wanna thank Benjamin for sending in. That comment. Truth, it is always delight to talk with you and to hear about what you're doing. I'm so grateful
00:56:36.450 --> 00:56:42.959 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you had the support you needed when you attended Mount Holyoke, because look at what we would have lost
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:59.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: all of the brilliance we would have lost if you, if you for some reason, had gone another path. And so you are an example with why we need to do the work that we have to do to support first. Yet. So thank you for being on show. Thank you for your time, whereas I appreciate that.
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:11.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I want to thank my listening audience, and I want to invite you to stay tuned for the conscious consultant era with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life the greatest of ease, of joy.
00:57:11.600 --> 00:57:17.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I also want to just invite you to make today a great day.
00:57:17.290 --> 00:57:33.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Choose wisely what you will do this day. Choose who you will support, choose the support you will receive, make it a priority to share love, hope, compassion, and peace. Today be well, be safe. Be encouraged until next time. Bye, for now.
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