The Conscious Consultant Hour

Thursday, August 31, 2023
Facebook Live Video from 2023/08/31 - New Solutions

Facebook Live Video from 2023/08/31 - New Solutions


2023/08/31 - New Solutions

[New Episode] New Solutions

This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam is pleased to welcome Speaker, Strategist, Therapist, Innovation Leader and Podcast Host, Dr. Natanya Wachtel.

Dr. Natanya Wachtel is an award-winning customer marketing expert with extensive experience growing and scaling B2B and D2C businesses leveraging behavioral science principles and emerging digital tools. 

For over 20 years, Dr. Wachtel has built effective go-to-market strategies and driven successful conversions and growth for the most significant brands in health and wellness, pharmaceutical and biotech, MedTech, and EdTech. She is the founder of New Solutions Network, a pioneering specialized consulting network of behavioral science marketing and healthcare tech experts focused on launching new products and building customer loyalty. 

Natanya is also the co-founder of evrmore, an Empathy AI™ - powered MedTech start-up. Additionally, she serves as Strategic Advisor to several wellness start-ups and is the Board Chair of Women Who Create, a mentor and scholarship program for women of color. For the past two decades, she has spent considerable time and energy building awareness and driving

solutions for the growing mental health crisis, including the challenges and disparities in access to care, access to education for marginalized groups, and access to nutrition and fresh food. 

Most recently, she has launched a TV segment for self-care called Mindful Moments, and hosts the customer insights-driven podcast “Insights Out” on the Outcomes Rocket Network. 

Tune in and join the conversation as Sam and Natanya discuss about the future of work and technology. 

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Tune in for this enlightening conversation at

Show Notes

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00:00:37.810 --> 00:00:53.239 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: good afternoon, my conscious co-creators! Welcome to another edition of that conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.

00:00:53.580 --> 00:01:11.879 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I've got such a wonderful show in store for you. I am super excited about today's guest, and I can't wait to bring her on. But first, of course. Oh, by the way, did you catch the the episode of dismantle racism with Reverend Dr. Tlc. Right before my show.

00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:22.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Such a good show today. Something really eye opening. So let's start off, of course, as we always do with my little section from my book

00:01:22.770 --> 00:01:44.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Everyday Awakening, and we, we're moving through these pretty quickly. II have. I'm sneaking suspicion. Probably be through the book before the end of the year, and then I gotta figure out, what am I gonna do next year? Just kick off my show. So today's section of my book is entitled, Let the light of our years be greater than our years in the light

00:01:45.180 --> 00:01:54.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: growing older is not about growing old. As we accumulate years we gain in so many ways.

00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:59.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: we gain experience, wisdom, and perspective.

00:02:00.130 --> 00:02:10.059 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: yet the numbers on the calendar do not dictate our frame of mind. the energy in our heart or the twinkle in our eye.

00:02:10.690 --> 00:02:15.039 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We have a choice, as we do, with everything

00:02:15.230 --> 00:02:16.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to embrace.

00:02:16.810 --> 00:02:30.700 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: enjoy, and enliven our latter years with a youthful energy and innocence, and an energy that says to the world that we were, we are always young at heart.

00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:35.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or we can choose to focus on all the loss, the bitterness.

00:02:35.850 --> 00:02:43.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the deprivation we have experienced, and make our world darker, decrepit, and depressing.

00:02:44.470 --> 00:02:55.870 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Any day above ground is a good day, it has been said. As long as we have breath we can give more life. give more love.

00:02:55.940 --> 00:02:59.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and give more light to the world around us.

00:03:00.760 --> 00:03:06.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Our days are numbered, and no one knows exactly how many we have.

00:03:07.270 --> 00:03:13.119 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Let us live as if each day is the best day we have ever had.

00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:16.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: regardless of whether we have

00:03:16.270 --> 00:03:19.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: had few of them or many of them.

00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:28.519 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Let her smile or heart. our words and our energy contribute to the joy of the world in the world.

00:03:28.590 --> 00:03:32.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: especially if it's our last day in the world.

00:03:33.150 --> 00:03:36.530 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What better way to be remembered?

00:03:38.770 --> 00:03:40.499 So this

00:03:40.910 --> 00:03:43.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: II th this little section I wrote.

00:03:44.920 --> 00:03:50.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: II guess it was after a conversation I had with someone many years ago around

00:03:51.340 --> 00:04:04.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, as we get older and we start dealing with more infirmities, and maybe our health isn't quite as good as it was when we're younger. We're not as strong, we're not as don't have as much of them, and vigor

00:04:05.420 --> 00:04:14.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that doesn't mean we don't have so much to contribute does not mean that that we still cannot approach life with.

00:04:14.730 --> 00:04:21.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: an enthusiasm that we had when we were younger, sometimes even more than what we had when we were younger.

00:04:22.630 --> 00:04:33.409 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and you know it's kind of interesting, because since II wrote this section, a number of things have happened in my own life that just

00:04:34.640 --> 00:04:41.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for me like make it even more true, make it more relevant than it was ever before.

00:04:41.700 --> 00:04:50.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I mean the first of which was my mom passing when she was 99 and a half. And you know my mom. She

00:04:51.200 --> 00:04:57.030 she had a ton of energy. She would go here and there, I mean

00:04:57.080 --> 00:05:09.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: she changed. She moved countries, I mean. She moved to Israel to be close to my sister and my sister's kids when she was 91 years old. Not too many people, I know would do that over with over the age of 90.

00:05:09.650 --> 00:05:12.619 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know how many people would move to a different environment.

00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:22.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yet somehow I feel that because she did that she actually lived longer, that in some ways going to Israel she had a better life.

00:05:22.150 --> 00:05:34.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There, in in a small country, being close to my sister in a country where family is very important, and they, you know, my sister would pick her up for for Shabbat dinner every Friday night.

00:05:34.630 --> 00:05:51.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and she's made new friends and people would invite her, over which which she, although she had friends here, though most of them died, I think, before she left. You know, at 91. Not not too many people can keep up with you. But but she had such a good life there.

00:05:54.410 --> 00:06:06.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That was one thing. and then the other thing that II just wanna touch upon. And there are several other things that I think have happened over the last several years since since I came out with the book

00:06:07.750 --> 00:06:29.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that that make this even more relevant. But just the whole idea that any day above ground, I think you know, with the pandemic and keep in mind. I wrote this before the pandemic. Okay, but I think we've all gotten to value our health gotten to value life so much more that yeah, any day above ground, as long as we have our breath. As long as we've got one more chance.

00:06:30.350 --> 00:06:39.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's a good day. But the other thing that that was a very recent, and I've mentioned this. I think I mentioned this on the show after I came back

00:06:39.400 --> 00:06:44.259 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: from the conference in Denver was seeing Doctor Roland Griffiths

00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:50.560 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on stage on the keynote stage. talking about how.

00:06:52.690 --> 00:07:04.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: after years and years of doing sill research with with cancer patients with psilocybin. how he found out a few months ago that he had stage 4

00:07:04.590 --> 00:07:05.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: colon cancer.

00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:08.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and

00:07:09.030 --> 00:07:18.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I think A, and that just because of his research. He's also a longtime meditator. II think, he said. He has a practice of like 25 years of meditation.

00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:19.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and

00:07:20.530 --> 00:07:32.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that he actually is approaching his imminent demise. not with dread, not with sadness, although he says he does have good days and bad days.

00:07:32.370 --> 00:07:43.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but with curiosity. with with wonder, because he was facing death. the greatest mystery of around life.

00:07:44.330 --> 00:07:49.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and he had such poise

00:07:51.260 --> 00:07:55.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and such peace around it

00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that not only was it

00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: inspirational but emotional

00:08:04.350 --> 00:08:12.829 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like there was this auditorium of, you know, 8 to 10,000 people listening to him, and there was not a dry eye in the house when he finished.

00:08:14.330 --> 00:08:19.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I. And I just thought to myself. Wow, if

00:08:20.200 --> 00:08:22.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if I could have that kind of

00:08:25.230 --> 00:08:38.910 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: peace! lightheartedness. curiosity! When I know I'm I'm about to die that to me would be sort of the ultimate

00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:46.419 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm good like I'm I'm good. If I could do that I'd be really good.

00:08:48.580 --> 00:09:01.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So do you wanna read this today? And and and I, to be honest, like, I haven't looked at this section of my book. I haven't seen this since. you know. I put the book together and launched it.

00:09:03.310 --> 00:09:12.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It means a lot more today than even when I wrote it. And it's just it just kind of funny that way.

00:09:12.860 --> 00:09:18.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so and and very apropos for what we're gonna talk about today. But

00:09:19.580 --> 00:09:25.100 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I guess what I would love for you, my loyal listeners, to take away

00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:29.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this week from this section of my book

00:09:31.180 --> 00:09:40.589 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is that, regardless of our external circumstances, regardless of what's going on around us, regardless of the challenges that we deal with

00:09:42.940 --> 00:09:46.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pretty much on a daily basis these days.

00:09:47.890 --> 00:09:54.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That that doesn't mean there has to be less light in our days, less joy, less

00:09:54.500 --> 00:09:58.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: less curiosity, less energy.

00:10:00.140 --> 00:10:08.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sure. We all slow down a little bit as we get older. How much sort of depends on our lifestyle and ourselves.

00:10:09.170 --> 00:10:10.990 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but we can choose

00:10:12.330 --> 00:10:16.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to still have that twinkle in our eye. We can choose

00:10:17.530 --> 00:10:24.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to look at things as opportunities, or look at things as

00:10:26.410 --> 00:10:30.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: situations and challenges and things that bring down our energy.

00:10:32.610 --> 00:10:44.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so for those of you out there who are listening to this. If you're hearing these words. Then there's something in this message for you. and I hope I pray.

00:10:44.380 --> 00:10:46.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and my intention is that

00:10:47.790 --> 00:10:52.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: this will little section will will touch you in a way

00:10:53.500 --> 00:11:09.820 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that will remind you to have a little more light in your years. So that's the section of my book. Let the light of our years be greater than our years in the light. It's not not how long we have on this planet. It's what we do with it.

00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:20.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So. And and that's the this section from my book every day awakening, which, of course, you can always find at everyday awakening

00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:35.430 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that just takes you, as I always say, to the Amazon listing. But if you're like me, and you'd love to support small independent bookstores, just ask them to order everyday awakening by Sam Lewitz. We're in a major distributor, so you can get it anywhere.

00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:49.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Alright. So now it is my extreme pleasure to welcome to the show speaker, strategist, therapist, innovation, leader and fellow podcast, host, doctor, Natana Waktel.

00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:54.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Natania is an award winning customer, marketing

00:11:54.430 --> 00:12:16.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: expert with extensive experience, growing and scaling. B, 2 B and D to C businesses, leveraging behavioral science principles and emerging digital tools. For over 20 years Dr. Woktel has built effective go to market strategies and driven successful conversations and growth for the most significant brands in health and wellness.

00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:35.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: pharmaceutical and biotech, med tech and Ed. Tech. She is the founder of new Solutions network, a pioneering, specializing, specialized, consulting network of behavioral science, marketing and healthcare tech experts focused on launching new products and building customer loyalty.

00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:50.579 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Doctor Natania is also the Co. Founder of Evermore an empathy, a I powered Med. Tech start up, and additionally, she serves as strategic advisor to several wellness start ups and is the board chair of

00:12:50.580 --> 00:13:15.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: women who create a mentor and scholarship program for women of color. For the past 2 decades she has been considerable time and energy building awareness and driving solutions for the growing mental health crisis, including the challenges and disparities and access to care, access to education for marginalized groups and access to nutrition and fresh food.

00:13:15.420 --> 00:13:19.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Welcome to the conscious consult now or Dr. Natania.

00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:22.759 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Thank you so much for having me, Sam.

00:13:22.820 --> 00:13:42.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, I've been. I've been so looking to have you come on my show ever since our initial conversations, and someone connected us. And and II just be honest fell in love with this woman because she has so much energy. She's so smart and and and II love your perspective on things. But I'm just curious. You you'd

00:13:42.850 --> 00:13:45.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you do a lot. And and

00:13:45.070 --> 00:13:49.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in business, in technology, in healthcare.

00:13:50.190 --> 00:13:56.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How did you like cultivate or get all these these interests together.

00:13:56.890 --> 00:14:15.370 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Well, thank you, I I'll try and shed a little light. I'll do it, maybe unconventionally, with an with a little story, and hopefully tied also to what you open the episode with, and our show today around focusing on the good in the day right that you have cause, you woke up

00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:27.580 and evolving and growing, and not fighting that evolution towards you know the elephant in the room, death whenever that might be. But keeping energy and spirits high. That

00:14:27.590 --> 00:14:33.859 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: invigorating energy can, I believe, sustain you?

00:14:33.910 --> 00:14:48.729 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I'll just say, brain continue to want to form new neural connections that enrich your lives and hopefully those around you, and that really was inspired in me from my parents. And was very fortunate

00:14:48.810 --> 00:14:54.720 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: they were both pretty. Well, one is living one. Isn't it incredible, humans?

00:14:54.950 --> 00:15:05.789 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: My father is a chemical engineer, and when he was running with laboratories and I was about 14 he would bring home, I'd always have an interest in tech

00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:07.410 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: computers.

00:15:08.130 --> 00:15:33.469 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And this was to date me a little bit. But this was unix day. So before windows and computers were logical instruments, right? So there was a code that decided how things worked on that computer. Now, I didn't have any real training. I had, you know, whatever was basic coding in school that we were learning like to move a Cal. Make a fake game with, you know. Go up, turn left like very minimal command knowledge.

00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:49.360 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: But I just kept plugging away at commands until I could figure out how to get into the operating instructions and the directions in the libraries and reroute them and find essentially breaks in the code to then make them usable again for the laboratory

00:15:49.500 --> 00:16:17.720 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: use. I didn't understand really anything that the lab was doing on the computer. But I understood, maybe how to find a way in into that. And so that was something. And I did that for free, you know. Yeah, exactly. I also that's how my medical knowledge was built, because I got paid 50 cents, I think a a monograph to proofread. So my medical terms that that's kind of helps a bit, I guess later. So it's a double edge, you know, sort of benefit

00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.880 on both ends, actually

00:16:19.940 --> 00:16:28.500 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and my mother who's also passed like yours, and unfortunately, and was also incredibly like fiery spirit to the last moment.

00:16:28.560 --> 00:16:50.000 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: worked at the end for loosen. But before that at T and before that Bell Labs, and was kind of in the pioneering space around technology and communication and communication appeal to the other side of me, of tech around connecting with humans and other humans and more. And having been a global citizen living in many different countries in the world, and my younger days, and

00:16:50.140 --> 00:17:16.089 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: seeing inside and speaking different languages, was always interested in how to kind of keep that vibrant interconnectedness going, and I was young. So it was limited. Access and phone calls still cost money. So and there, and you know, dial up wasn't even a thing yet right. But there was something. So because of my mom's job, she would bring home new tech for us to test. And one of the earliest ones was a

00:17:16.339 --> 00:17:24.620 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: basically what look like a typewriter with, you know, a little small screen that was, you know, Grey.

00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:38.439 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And it had these 2 cups in it that you would take the telephone. You know the thing that was attached to the wall receiver and put it in the cups and d dial a phone number, and you could call someone in another country.

00:18:02.430 --> 00:18:14.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: II I'd love to know why you became a doctor. You became a therapist and and sort of, you know, with your love of tech like W, where that has brought you to today, like how you

00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:43.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kind of a bridging these worlds of both sort of psychology and people and communications, and then technology and and wrapping it together. And we are going to get to some really fun stuff. A little later in the conversation. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now, or weakening humanity. We do this every Thursday 12 noon to one Pm, eastern, right here on talk, radio, Nyc and all across social media on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter Linkedin Twitch, and and we will be right back with our guest.

00:18:43.360 --> 00:18:46.810 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Dr. Natania Wattel, in just a moment.

00:20:39.840 --> 00:20:42.920 And you

00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:05.920 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious, consulting hour

00:21:06.090 --> 00:21:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: awakening humanity. I see loyal listener. Patty is always checking in on the Facebook live building for habitat for humanity. And Bellingham Washington. Wonderful, Patty! Glad you could join us today. Always always warms my heart to see you checking in so so, Natania? With your love of tech, why did you become a therapist

00:21:32.830 --> 00:21:34.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you got on mute

00:21:36.570 --> 00:21:40.429 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: apologies. Sorry? So?

00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:42.300 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: yeah, I

00:21:42.850 --> 00:22:08.069 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I really, and to be clear, I'm not licensed or practicing. II now I really wanted to help people from an early age. I thought I wanted to be a brain surgeon. Originally, II kind of had a few twisty career paths, like many of us was working, or some early jobs, you know, babysitting what you could do, camp counselor, that kind of stuff in the early days, and was sort of

00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:24.299 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: given the difficult children often in my group like oh, and I and I found sort of intuitively ways to connect with people of all, all different backgrounds, all different. And again, that sort of thing sort of that global citizen thing helped that it felt, and it felt good

00:22:24.490 --> 00:22:42.969 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: to have people be able to share and then feel better. I think the reason I am not a traditional therapist is because what I learned in training and I had several fits and starts through education. You know, it wasn't all continuous, such that

00:22:44.150 --> 00:22:55.309 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I felt like the traditional therapy. And again, this is respectfully said to be clear, but it didn't fit with the way I wa what drove me because it was a being, a passive listener

00:22:55.780 --> 00:23:12.480 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and kind of doom spiral supporter. And I wasn't really into that. I wanted to really just help people feel better from one conversation. And so now that has shifted right. And there's different kinds of therapies, that and modalities that help work that way, and I'd say it's more akin to.

00:23:12.490 --> 00:23:18.429 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: even though it gets a bad name sometimes coaching resilience and empowerment, you know.

00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:29.010 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: mindset growth, mindset enablement. So that's kind of what I've done with families with folks of very

00:23:29.300 --> 00:23:34.369 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: difficult life. Lifestyles means minority groups, folks who didn't have everything that I had

00:23:34.540 --> 00:23:44.229 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and get them to trust me, being other, and be able to connect and see them, and then help bring that forward. But at the same time I was a practical.

00:23:44.510 --> 00:24:12.319 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: immigrant family entrepreneur. So I was working in business and combining sort of marketing, psychology, customer psychology, behavioral science with that human element. But I also slanted towards patients. Right? Patient advocacy, patient, well-being, patient communication, patient education, health, literacy, all those kinds of things around. How we get like you said unfortunately about, you know the diagnosis of a terminal illness.

00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:17.369 or show up in the er on the worst. You know what is kind of the worst day of your life, maybe that day

00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:20.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as your worst self, and in stress, and that

00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:23.499 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: impact on the brain, that cognitive

00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:49.429 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: load that gets affected in terms of how we can even process information, how we can feel about getting up and out of bed when we get that bad news, and how we can work with all the tools that we have to do that. And for me, tech. And this is how the intersection comes. Tech is a way to empower and power, the ability to do that for more people in more places. And that's kind of how it works for me. It's to keeping the human in the loop

00:24:49.630 --> 00:24:57.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and using science and psychology to make it relevant and trustworthy and meaningful.

00:24:57.740 --> 00:25:22.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. And and and you're like me, and like, you've seen a lot of changes both in medicine and in technology over the years. Right? I mean, if we, you know, when I think back to like when I was a kid, when when my mom would take me to the local doctor and get a check up, he's to smoke cigars. Yeah, it's it's such a different

00:25:22.650 --> 00:25:31.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: world we live in. Now, isn't it like like just the advances in technology and and not just the

00:25:31.340 --> 00:25:35.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in in the medical technology, but like not just in, in, in

00:25:35.330 --> 00:25:53.989 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: stuff like maybe robotics or whatever. But but even just basic medicine, understanding how the body works, and understanding, you know how to best support the body. And and actually, I've seen more and more. What lights my heart up is in the last 1020 years is people being much more

00:25:53.990 --> 00:26:10.469 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: aware of the idea of wellness as opposed to, you know, we call it healthcare. But it's really sick care, right? It's yeah that that it's all about taking care of ourselves and and and being better.

00:26:10.760 --> 00:26:16.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm curious, you you you've seen a lot, and and we're in the middle of a huge change.

00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:42.139 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Do you have any sense of where you think things are going between this intersection of technology and healthcare? Well, I think the the flash point now is personally is, is in AI, right? So most people have heard of AI artificial intelligence, right? And what's interesting, and I think for this show is fun to talk about. And the only time I really get to talk about that intersection of a journey towards higher consciousness and tech.

00:26:42.170 --> 00:26:49.939 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And it's sort of seems incongruous, right? So it's AI, smart robots and self-driving cars and taking away jobs.

00:26:50.110 --> 00:27:08.420 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: But also it can be a partner in self discovery and mental wellness. And so, as you spoke about in the beginning in terms of focusing on the positive. I think that's another way to look at AI and wellness, as you said, or health and consciousness, even elevated consciousness and well being, and that

00:27:08.620 --> 00:27:12.399 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: it is really a tool, a akin to maybe fire

00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:32.659 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: that can help bring about a better life, but it needs to be, you know, dealt with with caution, and perhaps some safety rules, and perhaps some supervision. And so there is, and a responsibility in all of us in terms of what we do as citizens. Citizens of the world.

00:27:32.790 --> 00:27:41.770 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And also, I believe there will be many changes coming in global governments as well as obviously within the Us government around

00:27:42.250 --> 00:27:52.819 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: hopefully protections for our data. And this use. And what happens to us. And that's this sort of really, really explosive time in history. What that we're into right now.

00:27:53.100 --> 00:28:16.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, II see a lot of people in technology, not a lot. But I see some people in technology sort of raising the red flags around privacy around intellectual property. I mean, you see, like some you know, famous Hollywood. comedians and actors are like suing AI companies, cause they train their AI data

00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:33.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: programs on copyrighted material. So there's some concern around that. So it's really interesting to see like, where is this all going to lead? And I'm I'm with you. III usually use a very simple analogy instead of fire. I just say it's like a hammer, right?

00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:53.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You can use a hammer to build a house like Patty is doing right now, Washington, or you could use a hammer to kill someone. So it all depends on the person holding the hammer. And what's their intention behind it. And so that kind of comes back to human beings. And and how are we? What's our what's our level of consciousness?

00:28:54.060 --> 00:28:58.460 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And you know as much as I feel.

00:28:58.840 --> 00:29:13.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There seems to be so much chaos happening in the world today. There, there's a lot of disruption. Th! There's a lot of quote, unquote craziness that we see.  But that also means there's an opportunity cause. Now we're more aware of it.

00:29:14.120 --> 00:29:41.349 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So there's always craziness in the world is just how much will we aware of the craziness around the world? We might have been aware of it in our own neighborhood or own house, but we weren't. We're that aware of it globally, but with the development of communications being instantaneous. And the fact that you know we have this small device, and we can connect to anyone anywhere in the world with it. That's pretty revolutionary. So the communications now in combination with this

00:29:41.510 --> 00:29:46.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: technology. that is. that that

00:29:46.610 --> 00:29:49.640 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: leverages intelligence

00:29:49.750 --> 00:30:16.379 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: is something new that we've never really seen before. Right? So you know, most of us look use certain tools to elevate your wellbeing. Right? So AI has been learning to assist in the same mission. So we're evolving to be the best version of ourselves hopefully. And AI is a tool that can actually maybe fast track your growth, but it also can hinder it. So I think that's really great point. And that's the duality of it, right? So we're looking to improve to improve our consciousness, and

00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:19.769 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: you can mirror those potential onto AI. So.

00:30:19.820 --> 00:30:30.330 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: for example, you wake up one morning and your AI assistant can give you insights into your sleep quality suggesting personalized meditation techniques for the day ahead. And that's AI working towards your well-being.

00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:35.820 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: You know, you can open a mindfulness app.

00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:47.879 and, you know, get a guided meditation potentially get some information about, you know, a new Yoga regiment. There's a lot of things that you can do there that are very helpful on the flip.

00:30:48.130 --> 00:31:08.150 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and we'll get into a little later. There are ethical concerns, because AI isn't a singular thing. I'm I'm assuming most of your listeners know this. That sort of AI databases are built and fed information. And as you said, that information was created by humans so that information could be biased.

00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:25.180 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: It can have algorithms. It can have emotional intelligence that is slanted towards whoever created it. It can be factually incorrect. And it can also be copyright material that may or may not be appropriate to give out for free when in other areas, let's say

00:31:26.020 --> 00:31:35.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: content. There are ping walls that put a block between what you can access. So all of those things come together. There's also security around. You know your data.

00:31:35.760 --> 00:31:49.780 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: what it is about you, your genetic sequence, your health, your proclivities that could be available to potential employers to limit a job or to have someone do your job. As you said in education.

00:31:49.890 --> 00:32:11.980 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: there is quite a bit of a fervor around AI replacing learning right? That students using AI will not learn anymore. I mean. That is a feeling that many educators have many institutions. Banning AI generated answers for exams and that kind of thing, although it's not always clear how that works. Because sometimes the AI,

00:32:11.980 --> 00:32:22.429 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: we'll recognize things as computer generated because the source file was not what the student did with it. That's just like using a reference material. So it's really interesting in terms of

00:32:22.430 --> 00:32:52.350 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: all the different sectors. I mean, we're focusing today on health and wellness. And that's a little bit more my purview. But across financial services, legal services, you know, across the board. And like, I said, even in this sort of lifestyle areas of wellness. Well, being higher order consciousness connecting with other humans. Obviously, AI is playing a huge role in all of this. If you're using apps for dating or meeting up, or groups or clubs. AI is helping empower those connections. If you're using

00:32:52.820 --> 00:33:17.440 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: you know you're shopping AI, powering your recommendations and building a profile about you for other retailers just to buy and serve you up product information. So it's kind of you know, it's here to stay. And so, instead of maybe fighting it, find a way to understand how to connect better with it. Use it. And you know, sort of know that an enemy, I guess.

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:43.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright. Let's let's take our next break. And when we come back I wanna talk about what you're seeing in terms. And and I'll reflect what I'm seeing in terms of people's attitudes towards AI. And then what's really the reality of it? Cause there's a lot of stories we create around this stuff, and and tons of science fiction movies which I love all around it. But what's the reality? And what's really happening now? Okay.

00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:54.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now awakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with Dr. Natania Wukel, and we'll be right back after this.

00:35:58.750 --> 00:36:11.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: okay, Dr. Netanya. So III mentioned you before the show that I was in a networking group yesterday, and I asked people how they were feeling about AI, and there were like 4 other people in this breakout room

00:36:11.270 --> 00:36:30.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and myself, and one other person said we were excited about it, and 3 people said they they were nervous or scared, or worried about it. What are you seeing? I mean, you're you're in in kind of a thick of things out there, in, in business, and in healthcare and and technology.

00:36:30.330 --> 00:36:38.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What are you seeing in terms of people's attitudes. And and what's the reality of what's actually happening these days with AI and healthcare?

00:36:39.350 --> 00:36:51.059 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Well, I'll pull up, I guess a Stat from pew cause. That's a pretty respected, I believe. Polling institution, right? So the Pew Research Center just recently put out a survey that said

00:36:51.130 --> 00:36:58.769 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: more than half, but not, you know, 52 or so of Americans are now more concerned about the effects of AI, and they're excited about it.

00:36:59.090 --> 00:37:06.360 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And the reason that's really interesting is because well, I'll also say that you know, 10 say they're more excited than concerned.

00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:24.290 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And 36% say they have a mix right? But this is really interesting also because it's a huge. It's a quick, considerable shift from the same survey they released 8 months ago in December. So in December, only 38 said they were more concerned and excited about technology. So that's 14 points of change in just 8 months.

00:37:24.650 --> 00:37:45.819 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: But you know, it's possible there's some context here, right? Because in this time chat Gbt, it just launched, and that was one of the first sort of everyone can touch and feel it. Smell it. Mainstream news started reporting on the beginning, and I think there was an initial excitement about that possibility. And then, in months since, perhaps, you know, this mainstream media attention has gotten

00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:54.379 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: a fervor around the, you know, gloom and doom and the wrists, because that's what you know dominates the news and

00:37:54.640 --> 00:38:11.940 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: which gets people to perhaps evaluate it. And those early adopters are folks who started to sort of touch this new tool started to be impressed by it, but also, perhaps terrified with its PA by its power, and it becomes more real than the possibility right? And they may or may not feel

00:38:11.970 --> 00:38:19.170 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: like they have a way to control what what happens. And that's a big part of what this is is the trust and loss of control.

00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:37.010 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: the things outside that would determine things for your life, and even your your mortality right like a treatment decision being made by AI. So that's kind of why, I think there's a shift of of more concern than excitement in the current day, because we're it's not just a concept.

00:38:37.220 --> 00:38:41.069 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: It's a tool that's now in your hands, and it's pretty powerful

00:38:41.570 --> 00:39:04.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right. And and and it is. And and I've been following some thinkers and and talking to people around who are in the AI world, and and they really see it's a a some, you know. It's a lot of people have balance fuse, but some people don't. Some people are like, no, we've got to slow down research. We gotta stop. It's not good. And then other people are like

00:39:04.170 --> 00:39:18.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: There, there's this could totally transform, not just society, but the world and give us the ability to literally create paradise on Earth because we can use it to solve problems we've never been able to solve before.

00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:30.429 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Absolutely so. Yes, there's many researchers like sounding the alarm. Congress met in this last month with big Tech, right about what are you doing? Although many people, myself included, thought that it was sort of

00:39:30.920 --> 00:40:00.610 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: liked in how it was done, and didn't really. I think it was more sort of a glossing over of the basics, maybe of pre-step one. But it's a start that people are paying attention, especially when we've seen from the last set of discussions with Congress how little that a lot of the representatives that are elected understand technology anyway, or even the Internet. So we have a long way to go that said, there are things being put into place to protect us. And there are things we can do

00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:01.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so.

00:40:02.240 --> 00:40:13.189 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: But on the flip, right, millions of people are already integrating AI for mindfulness practices right? The the apps we talked about. They can adapt to your learning style. They can become a gateway for you to

00:40:13.270 --> 00:40:26.229 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: get knowledge that you might not otherwise had. Depending on what kind of learner you are. They can help you grasp philosophies, spiritual practices.

00:40:26.230 --> 00:40:45.409 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I mean, I'm not trying to say we don't read because you're an author, but even myself, who was a voracious reader because T. Television was restricted for me as a child. Hence the donority part. You know I don't. In the way that I did in terms of certainly not. You know, fiction and novels. II do several books at a time in in chunks.

00:40:45.530 --> 00:41:08.500 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: so it's a really great way to kind of make things more accessible for you and to you. And you know, AI driven mindfulness apps can even identify stress patterns and recommend personalized, you know, routines for wellness. Right? So you can help be broken free from limiting beliefs and identify subconscious patterns and suggest transformative actions. So these are incredible things. And

00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:10.620 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: it's free. It's

00:41:10.780 --> 00:41:36.800 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: you may or may not have Internet access in your home. But there are now many places, libraries and community centers that offer Internet access. And so if you can get there, you can get that access, and that, I think, is incredible thing that shouldn't be understated. Right? So that's the future where you can get guided to a deeper state of mindfulness. And that's, you know, potentially a better state of peace. But there is some, some discerning parts, right? So

00:41:36.940 --> 00:41:53.330 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: how this tool is used we talked about right? That's a really big part of it. this is a critical time. How we engage with technology, what we share, how we share it. Can like, I said, be a connection to higher self. But also

00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:57.559 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: there's a really chance for for danger and bias. So

00:41:57.730 --> 00:42:09.839 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: the algorithms that fed the AI. As I said, they're created by humans, and these can perpetuate harmful stereotypes, perhaps even negatively affecting your perception and consciousness. Right? So

00:42:09.870 --> 00:42:15.759 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: in my, it's my personal belief that AI can't replace human intuition or emotional intelligence today.

00:42:15.830 --> 00:42:18.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not wholly and not

00:42:18.640 --> 00:42:27.680 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: as a universal body of humans, because there is a small subset of data that fed the AI databases that are used today

00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:52.590 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: that are not representative of the whole of society. So therefore, those biases are there. Those stereotypes are there, and I'm not talking about the most obvious outspoken ones, but they could be micro and they could be throughout. So that's a caution in terms of decisions about who gets access to support and care and resources, or who get denied a job or gets their job replaced. You know those things are there

00:42:52.960 --> 00:43:00.939 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: so relying on the AI. Too much, I think, is a danger. Using the AI as a tool with humans is a hopefully, a way to balance that.

00:43:01.330 --> 00:43:04.779 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And, you know, have that human and consciousness in

00:43:04.850 --> 00:43:28.140 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: imbued within the technology. Yeah, everyone I know who'd like teaches about AI and like how to use it for marketing. And this and that I mean, everyone says you always have to take whatever results you get from Chat Gbt, or whatever AI you're using, you always have to look at it. You have to tweak it. You have to make sure there are no hallucinations in it, because AI has been known to completely make things up.

00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:37.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: such as the lawyer right? Who submitted a whole brief with Ka with citing cases that never existed.

00:43:37.710 --> 00:43:56.160 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Yes, and and actually we were speaking anecdotally when we were planning to do the show about something I had presented at a conference. You know, anecdotes ripped from the headlines about an undergraduate student who got his hands on a developmental AI tool that was still in development.

00:43:56.160 --> 00:44:12.329 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: articles that were sort of self help, and I think he did was on discord or reddit that he put them, and he all he did was write the title and ask the AI to write the article, and posted them and didn't denote that the AI wrote the article and put himself, as like, you know.

00:44:12.330 --> 00:44:27.989 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: a psychiatrist or something, you know, something accredited in in some way, and he got a lot of responses of people thinking and saying how helpful the articles were, and they helped them in all these ways, and it was interesting enough, because I think it was a hackers Forum as well.

00:44:28.030 --> 00:44:56.809 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: One person actually said, Hey, I don't think this was written by a person. This is written by AI, and all the other commenters jumped on that person, saying, You're not engaging in the spirit of what this is about. If you don't like it. You can ignore it. That kind of thing, and maybe you just don't know what a good therapist is, and all that stuff. And then, of course he did. Then come clean and say, Oh, actually, this was AI generated, and it was kind of an experiment, but I think it brings up a lot of interesting questions around

00:44:58.560 --> 00:44:59.540 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: trust

00:44:59.660 --> 00:45:03.840 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and and transparency. So

00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:09.819 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: does it matter if the article that you read or book

00:45:10.340 --> 00:45:19.329 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: or radio show or podcast that you listen to whatever it may be, had information that you felt helped you and made you feel better?

00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.580 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Does it matter if an AI created it or a human.

00:45:22.640 --> 00:45:39.610 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Does it matter more or less if you know or don't know, you know what I mean like? So if you were aware that it was done artificially, but you still liked it then it was at least a transparent understanding of this is where this came from. Get, you know, they intersect, and they're troubling because of

00:45:39.850 --> 00:45:44.350 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: some things around deep fakes, and, you know, giving false

00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:57.509 attribution to people for things that didn't happen, and that's where it gets a little murky, and and you know, and that's why we're looking at sort of regulations that are sensible. So we can reap these benefits without suffering the worst outcome. So, for example.

00:45:57.580 --> 00:46:22.170 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: the Us. And other governments may require that tech companies get permits before certain kinds. You know a permits before developing the models. So above a certain parameter size. Right? It it might require that image generator software has to have non removable watermarks on images that it creates. So you know. And I'm just giving a few little examples. So there's there's a lot here. Technology. Sorry?

00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:39.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: No, it's okay. But I Ca, I cause I could talk with you for hours, but we gotta take our last break, and then when we come back, wrap things up, and so I'd like to wrap things up with. What do you see in the immediate future? A. A. And and with a particular focus around AI applications in healthcare and health and wellness.

00:46:39.630 --> 00:46:48.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What do you see? Like, what do you? What would you predict as being like a revolution that we'll see that we're not expecting today? Okay.

00:46:48.100 --> 00:47:00.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: awesome. So everyone. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now, awakening humanity. We're talking this hour with Dr. Natania Watel, and we'll be right back and wrap it all up in just a moment

00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: alright. That's Antonia. So to finish up. Let's

00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: do a little prognostication.

00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:20.819 and and with with what you're seeing and you, you have some some access to things that I think most people don't.

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:27.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What do you think will be the the most immediate like in the next 2 years? 3 years!

00:49:27.580 --> 00:49:32.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Where where do you think AI is? Gonna make the biggest impact when it comes to healthcare and health and wellness.

00:49:33.670 --> 00:49:46.440 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Okay, that's a loaded question. I'll do my best. So yes, I believe that technology is playing a crucial role in reshaping all of our behavior. Right? So there's wearables. We have health traffic. Excuse me, health tracking apps.

00:49:46.680 --> 00:49:53.599 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and almost 95% of the time. I don't know if that's what I'm trying to do with it. I don't know if that's what I'm trying to do with it. I don't know if that's what I'm trying to say.

00:49:54.090 --> 00:50:11.249 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: These things have played a crucial improvement in their overall health consciousness, and that's also a few study from 2,022. And it's it's going upwards. Right? There has been major changes in FDA regulations and reimbursements for digital therapeutics. So meaning you go to the clinician

00:50:11.330 --> 00:50:26.559 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: with a depression, diagnosis or other opioid use disorder or other right? And instead of getting an Rx. you get an excuse me an Rx, for like a compound that you ingest, you get an Rx to use an app.

00:50:26.990 --> 00:50:43.119 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and that is starting. And this is again the the foothold is right. Telemedicine is skyrocketed. Obviously covid exacerbated this. So you know, we're on an upper trajectory of most people using this as an integrative system between themselves and their health and well-being.

00:50:43.300 --> 00:51:04.430 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: So I think one of the areas is mental and emotional healthcare that's going to transform because we perceive those to be other than, let's say, computer aided surgery in mental health, we we feel that's sort of a layer deeper into self and human. And what makes us human. And I think that's why it's so interesting about that intersection. Because that's where it gets sticky. Right? So

00:51:04.470 --> 00:51:24.620 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: a lot of the health care talk about AI is about these physical ailments, right and performing surgery, managing chronic disease. And there's a lot less about how we could really understand and treat mental and emotional well being, and have people feel trust in that. And then the transparency. So because these are sort of like, less tangible.

00:51:24.790 --> 00:51:42.000 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: often less quantifiable subjective issues rather than sub. You know physical. This is just making these diagnosis are are more nuanced. It's more nuanced in our understanding of mental states and behavior patterns. So analyzing data from many activities, though on a large scale.

00:51:42.220 --> 00:51:51.690 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: including things like social media usage, language, lexicon tone in in ever more. You know, Iv. Michelle, the Creator.

00:51:51.850 --> 00:52:04.320 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: did an incredible and very, very labor, intensive effort to develop an empathy trademark. AI, that has in it. You know the ability to understand intent.

00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:25.250 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: cadence, timber, everything around. How we say what we say versus what we overtly say right, that a therapist just may or may not be able to pick up as a human being. So, there's there's sort of it's controversial. But it's actually a powerful tool in ways that not everyone might might realize right. So voice intonation as another one in terms of predicting that mental health

00:52:25.250 --> 00:52:34.580 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: before they occur so predictive. And and we're working on things that predict not only self harm, but predicting people who may be

00:52:35.220 --> 00:52:38.110 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: thinking about harming others. So think about

00:52:38.310 --> 00:52:47.599 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: that. So this is, there's an ethical consideration here. Just right. So if you then can predict a depressive episode or anxiety attack.

00:52:47.970 --> 00:53:01.760 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Can you manipulate that? Do you have a right to intervene if it hasn't happened yet? And then we get into sci-fi like you said minority report. Is not that far off? Essentially, from what AI can do today?

00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:03.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wow! Wow!

00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:07.760 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: What what would you recommend to people listening

00:53:07.830 --> 00:53:18.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: on how to prepare for the changes that are coming like like, what type of mindset or like? What can people even do physically to to help them to prepare?

00:53:19.210 --> 00:53:20.810 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I think, some

00:53:22.040 --> 00:53:27.620 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: basic advice. And and again, II don't know where everyone's at who's listening today. But

00:53:28.020 --> 00:53:35.969 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: be mindful of what information you put out there on a daily basis is one thing. People often

00:53:36.050 --> 00:54:00.999 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: are getting a little better about not putting their vacation plans and travel plans and boarding passes and concert tickets and things with personally identifiable viable information. Right? All over the Internet. Look at your privacy settings on your social media usage. Think about what you want out there, because the reason you get to use that app for free is that they're using your data and really understand that that's also even in shopping.

00:54:01.190 --> 00:54:28.460 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: But there's also a misnomer, I know, and I'm not going to pick out any generation. But those who are, let's say later, to have technology enter into their lives. To have this sense of shopping in a retail store is more secure than shopping online, and at this point in time that unless it's a cash transaction. That's not true anymore. Everything is in the cloud. And all of your data, all of your financial records, all of your legal records, all of your health data is in the cloud.

00:54:28.460 --> 00:54:32.500 So II would say things like DNA

00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:47.829 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: companies, ancestry, and and I won't name them. But you know those kinds of things. Just remember you're giving up your genetic code to a pro a company that can do things with it, even though they say they don't intend to. They might not.

00:54:47.830 --> 00:55:05.820 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: but because it's out there, it can be their data breaches daily, right? That we hear about. So just thinking about sort of data hygiene for yourself and reading up on that, and maybe even using AI to query, what can I do to to protect my data as best as I can, but not live in fear of it, and

00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:11.919 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: seek out tools that enhance your daily life with that data. So like, I said, there are many apps

00:55:12.130 --> 00:55:29.160 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: and tools out there that actually have been shown to really help people and maybe try them out and see how it how it works in your life, and sort of your off world or offline, if you will exist in, in forest bathing and meditation and everything else, and integrate these into sort of those times when you can't

00:55:29.540 --> 00:55:38.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right. Wonderful wonderful! We. We've only got a couple of minutes left. I did want to give you a chance to talk a little bit about women who create and what's that all about?

00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:53.159 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: Oh, thank you. So we're always needing help. And it is a nonprofit that is solely funded by generous donations of organizations and individuals of time and resources to help

00:55:53.270 --> 00:56:21.530 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: essentially share the stage with those who might not have generational wealth who have been marginalized, who have been not given the same opportunities generationally as well as currently in the minority community. And so we are looking to have more mentors. We have a mentor program that cycles every few months. It's not super high time commitment. Many of the Mentees have stated they had never thought they could qualify for a mentor didn't know how to ask for one.

00:56:21.530 --> 00:56:40.090 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: And we've done surveys to say, you know how impactful the program is for them. So we're always looking for those. There are different times of the year that the to the program starts and stops. You can go to the website and check that out or reach out to me for more information, which is,

00:56:40.830 --> 00:56:50.940 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: actually sad for me, that we can't give it to almost everyone who applies because the applications are speaking of. As you said in the very beginning, not a dry eye in the room.

00:56:51.260 --> 00:57:26.100 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: The board is often, you know, heart wrecked, you know, around how do we choose? Because there are so many worthy young women are those who identify as female who are trying to make a difference in this world make this world better. Creative ideas in the space of tech, in the space of fashion, in the space of creative arts, you know that are just need a little boost and can do so much good in the world. So we're just grateful for any support that we can get wonderful new solutions network. How how do they find you?

00:57:26.100 --> 00:57:54.280 Dr. Natanya Wachtel: I think Linkedin Linkedin is probably the best way I do have what personal website? Natania Walktailedcom and a professional website, new solutions Networkcom. But Linkedin's probably the best way to be the catch all. And I'm I'm open to connecting with anyone who reaches out. Thank you wonderful. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Natania, for taking the time to come on my show today. It's been a pleasure I literally could talk to you for hours and hours about this stuff, and and have wonderful conversations.

00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:17.859 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So I truly appreciate it. Oh, thank you so much for having me it was wonderful. It was great. Thank you. And of course, thank you. My loyal listeners is always for tuning in each week. Without you there is no show I so appreciate, especially my loyal listeners, who show up every week like Patty. And don't forget if you missed any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talk radio Nyc.

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