Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, May 11, 2023
Facebook Live Video from 2023/05/11 - Planting the Seeds of Healing

Facebook Live Video from 2023/05/11 - Planting the Seeds of Healing


2023/05/11 - Planting the Seeds of Healing

[New Episode] Planting the Seeds of Healing

Thursdays 11:00am - 12:00pm (EDT)


Guests will discover how farming leads to healing.


Less than two percent (2%) of farmers are people who are black. Over 50% of US farms are run by women, according to a 2017 census report. Structural racism has impacted the economic success of many farmers of color, particularly as it relates to receiving loans to support their businesses. Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest Hazel Adams-Shango, a New England farmer, as they discuss the history of Black American farming in the United States as well as the status of Black American farming and farmers in the 21st century. Listen in to hear how farming can be used as a tool for dismantling racism in America, especially for women who are black.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Dr. TLC directs the audience to explore her website to discover more about her, her impactful work, and her published books. Commencing the show with a grounding meditation, Dr. TLC acknowledges the emotional significance of addressing race and racism. Rev. Dr. TLC warmly introduces her guest, Hazel Adams-Shango, a New England farmer whose family cultivates naturally grown vegetables, herbs, and flowers, providing sustenance to local communities and food hubs. Hazel shares the profound connection between farming and spirituality. It serves as a way for her to stay connected to the natural world and honor her heritage.

Segment 2

Hazel shares how attuning oneself to the land opens up a connection to its energy. The journey of acquiring and learning to farm has been grounding for her. She traces her life path back to her great great grandfather, an influential African American judge in Arkansas who defended twelve sharecroppers facing the death penalty in 1919. Hazel's mother, inspired by her grandfather, passed down stories and encouraged her to work in the garden. As an adult, Hazel delved into the lore of her family history, researching the experiences of black farmers in the United States and exploring her own place in the present. By merging her love for history and farming, she honors her roots. Dr. TLC highlights that many black individuals are only two generations removed from the era of enslavement.

Segment 3

Hazel shares how farming runs through generations in her family, fostering a deep sense of connection.She temporarily diverged from the agricultural path in her youth, Hazel reveals how the 1970s dismissed farming as a viable career choice. It was her children who reignited her passion, compelling her to rediscover her farming roots. Hazel fervently believes in the healing power of agriculture, underscoring its social and cultural dimensions that intersect with various realms of wellness.Through her experiences, Hazel has come to recognize how farming fosters not only physical well-being but also nourishes social bonds and cultivates a sense of harmony with nature.

Segment 4

Hazel sheds light on the profound healing properties of immersing oneself in the land, engaging all six senses for a stimulating experience that positively impacts physical, emotional, and mental well-being. While urban farming continues to gain momentum in the United States, the pandemic prompted a collective pause and reflection. Leaving us with a parting thought, Hazel encourages individuals to embrace their inner light and let it shine. To learn more about Dr. TLC, her book, and the meditation she offers, visit 


00:00:47.850 --> 00:00:57.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello, and welcome to the dismantle Racism show. I'm your host. The Reverend Dr. Tlc. Our goal of the show is to educate

00:00:57.580 --> 00:01:22.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and educate you our listeners, so that you may eradicate and dismantle racism today on the show. We are going to be taking a where you can find out more

00:01:22.450 --> 00:01:45.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about the ways in which you could work with me. You can pick up a copy of my book as well dismantle racism, healing separation from the inside out, and I want to invite you, if you've not done so, to please take a listen to my meditations that are on healing separation from the inside out again. That sacred

00:01:45.990 --> 00:02:08.539 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am so grateful for each and every one of you who take the time out to listen to this show. Please make sure that you subscribe to the show whatever platform that you listen to it on and tell a friend about the show. Tell someone you know who might be doing this work, or who might need to know about some ways to dismantle racism.

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00:02:32.620 --> 00:02:34.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How are you dealing with

00:02:35.010 --> 00:02:43.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: racism in this country? How are you coping with it? How are you helping to make this world a better place by dismantling racism?

00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:51.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All right, let's get started with the show, as always. I want to invite you, if you are able to.

00:02:51.380 --> 00:02:53.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to, just simply to close your eyes

00:02:55.460 --> 00:02:58.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and begin to feel your breath.

00:03:00.580 --> 00:03:06.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and i'd like you to take a deep breath in and just hold it for a second.

00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:10.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then to release that graph.

00:03:12.950 --> 00:03:17.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take another deep breath in. hold it.

00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:19.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then release it.

00:03:21.290 --> 00:03:26.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And as you're breathing in and out at your normal pace.

00:03:27.420 --> 00:03:32.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: invite you to connect that breath with divine wisdom.

00:03:33.760 --> 00:03:36.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with your sacred intelligence.

00:03:36.730 --> 00:03:41.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that part of you that helps you to make intelligent choices

00:03:43.710 --> 00:03:46.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that manifest your greatness.

00:03:47.100 --> 00:03:49.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: all manifesting the greatness of others.

00:03:52.880 --> 00:03:57.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out, and connecting your breath

00:03:58.260 --> 00:03:59.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with the earth.

00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:07.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If you are outside, place your feed on the ground if you could.

00:04:08.950 --> 00:04:18.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if you are not. just imagine yourself bare feet. feeling the earth

00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with the grass

00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:25.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for the same.

00:04:27.200 --> 00:04:28.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: whatever is beneath you.

00:04:31.350 --> 00:04:35.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and feel that foundation of being supported

00:04:37.320 --> 00:04:38.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: by the earth.

00:04:42.050 --> 00:04:50.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect with your surrounding the trees. the flowers. taking a moment to give appreciation.

00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:58.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out. Recognizing that your oxygen

00:04:59.070 --> 00:05:01.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: comes through the trees.

00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:04.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They are a source of life.

00:05:07.220 --> 00:05:10.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I invite you to connect with the rocks that are around you.

00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just connect with nature as much as you can.

00:05:21.510 --> 00:05:24.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that we co-exist with one another.

00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:29.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's life in nature.

00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:34.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's signs of new beginning in nature.

00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:39.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There's signs of longevity in nature.

00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:44.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Nature represents us.

00:05:45.530 --> 00:05:47.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we represent Nature

00:05:50.270 --> 00:05:58.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so just as your breathing in and out. give gratitude for that which supports you.

00:06:00.550 --> 00:06:04.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: give gratitude for beauty of nature.

00:06:06.640 --> 00:06:12.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the substance of nature. The nutrients of nature

00:06:18.210 --> 00:06:21.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: give gratitude for the seeds that are planted

00:06:24.410 --> 00:06:27.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that grow into abundance.

00:06:29.290 --> 00:06:34.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that not only nourish you, but nourish the land and others around you.

00:06:37.490 --> 00:06:41.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Give gratitude for the healing that takes place

00:06:42.140 --> 00:06:44.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as we draw from nature.

00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:52.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just breathe in and out.

00:06:54.700 --> 00:06:57.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: given thanks for the rainfall

00:06:58.500 --> 00:07:00.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: given thanks for the sunlight

00:07:06.180 --> 00:07:09.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just connecting with whatever is around you.

00:07:14.110 --> 00:07:19.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and know that just as nature supports itself.

00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know that you are supported.

00:07:26.980 --> 00:07:34.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that there is life within you, and there are others around you that are supporting you on your journey, whatever that may be.

00:07:36.510 --> 00:07:40.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and in particular there are others who support you in the journey

00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:43.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to dismantle racism.

00:07:48.880 --> 00:07:52.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so, just as we support one another

00:07:54.070 --> 00:07:58.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know that it is important for us to also take care of nature.

00:07:58.430 --> 00:08:01.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to be kind to it, to be good to it.

00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:08.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So just connect with your gratitude

00:08:12.530 --> 00:08:13.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and commit

00:08:15.260 --> 00:08:18.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's taking care of that which supports you.

00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:25.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Know that what you do matters

00:08:27.630 --> 00:08:31.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so as you breathe in and out, connect with your power.

00:08:33.340 --> 00:08:39.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power of one contributes to the power of community.

00:08:40.620 --> 00:08:44.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you are able to change the status quo.

00:08:46.270 --> 00:08:52.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want you to take another deep breath in. and then I want you to sign it out

00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and prepare to listen in to Today's show

00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with eagerness and openness.

00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we say as she. And so it is. I'm.

00:09:11.980 --> 00:09:19.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, beloved, it is so good to be with you today to talk about the healing properties of farming.

00:09:20.710 --> 00:09:24.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Less than 2% of farmers are people who are black.

00:09:24.630 --> 00:09:35.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and over 50% of us farmers farms are run by women according to a 2,017 census report. So I was really excited to

00:09:35.810 --> 00:09:38.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: pick up on that fact. I don't think I knew that.

00:09:39.410 --> 00:09:52.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But structural racism, of course, impacts the economic success of many farmers, and we do know that there is environmental racism that exist as well. That i'm sure impacts farming

00:09:53.080 --> 00:10:00.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today, though on our show we are going to be talking to Hazel Adams Shawn. Go.

00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:13.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I hope, I said that correctly. Who is a New England farmer? And we're take a look at black American farming in the Us. But in particular we really want to focus on what are some of the healing properties.

00:10:13.860 --> 00:10:21.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as it relates to dismantling racism and farming, so i'm delighted to welcome to the show today, Hazel.

00:10:21.520 --> 00:10:42.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She is currently serving as the farm production manager on a small family owned farm in Vermont. She has 3 adult children and a grandson, and she provides naturally grown vegetable herbs and flowers to local residents and food hubs.

00:10:42.160 --> 00:10:53.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Prior to beginning the Flying Buffalo, Llc. She has served various capacities in both the Federal and City governments in New York.

00:10:53.410 --> 00:11:00.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and she held public office in both Washington, DC. And New York City.

00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:15.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Her hobbies include crocheting and knitting and reading about African American history and serving as her family historian. So I like to welcome to the show today. Hazel Adams

00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:20.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Shawn. Go and tell me if I didn't pronounce it right.

00:11:21.150 --> 00:11:27.640 Hazel Adams-Shango: Carlin. You did just fine Hazel Adams Shanko Hazel to all of my friends and family.

00:11:27.750 --> 00:11:35.490 Hazel Adams-Shango: And thank you so much for that very warm introduction, that breathing exercise

00:11:35.500 --> 00:11:45.220 Hazel Adams-Shango: connected the even further to the topic that we are here to discuss today, and I just very grateful for the opportunity.

00:11:45.560 --> 00:11:53.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, i'm so grateful that you are here because I know that you don't do many of these. So i'm honored that you would take the time out

00:11:53.760 --> 00:12:03.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of your schedule to do this because it really is important for us, you know, for me on the show. When I talk about educating folks.

00:12:03.660 --> 00:12:05.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the education

00:12:05.350 --> 00:12:11.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is not just about how racism shows up in life, but it's also how we heal

00:12:12.050 --> 00:12:27.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from racism. And so it's not just simply want to focus on all the things that are going wrong in the world. But we want to focus on what's right in the world. So I want to start by asking you. I know we're going to have to take break any any second now, but we want to get at least this question. And for you.

00:12:28.470 --> 00:12:38.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: do you see farming and connecting with the the environment in the planet as a sacred practice?

00:12:39.490 --> 00:12:44.160 Hazel Adams-Shango: Most definitely I see it as a sacred practice.

00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:49.390 Hazel Adams-Shango: I see it in its spirituality and connectedness.

00:12:49.520 --> 00:12:55.660 Hazel Adams-Shango: and on this that you spoke about in your introduction, and

00:12:55.800 --> 00:13:06.890 Hazel Adams-Shango: it's intergenerational for me. It's also a way for me to stay connected to those who came before me, and those who are here, and those who are to come at.

00:13:07.100 --> 00:13:12.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So in what way does it help you to connect all of those?

00:13:12.730 --> 00:13:14.590 Hazel Adams-Shango: Well, when you're on the land.

00:13:14.820 --> 00:13:18.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you're actually taking the time to plant the seeds.

00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:22.570 Hazel Adams-Shango: The seed is that connectedness, I think

00:13:22.760 --> 00:13:29.590 Hazel Adams-Shango: the past, present, in future are infused all in encapsulated within the concept of a. C.

00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:40.550 Hazel Adams-Shango: The seed is coming from the past from another plant. You're planting it presently to grow food or provide sustenance in the future, and so

00:13:41.170 --> 00:13:44.120 Hazel Adams-Shango: that observance of the seed growing.

00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:57.620 Hazel Adams-Shango: let you know that things can start out. Small things can be troubled. There can be a troubled environment, but you can still burst forth and and grow and develop

00:13:57.620 --> 00:14:04.210 Hazel Adams-Shango: and provide sustenance for so many, and not just the one that one can provide sustenance

00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:12.900 Hazel Adams-Shango: sometimes for hundreds of people in the end. If you plant enough of those seeds, so I like to plant

00:14:12.900 --> 00:14:29.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: seeds to provide food for the people, and I like to plant seeds of healing. Yes, I was just thinking about that, if you so I want to get into that in in a little bit later in the show. But I want to ask you

00:14:29.900 --> 00:14:32.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because you just made me think about

00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:40.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when we walk the land, and when we're immersed in the land, and you mentioned connecting with the people who have come before.

00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:45.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Have you ever had a moment when you're working the land

00:14:46.140 --> 00:14:50.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to just connect spiritually? Do you ever feel the

00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:58.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the life of the people who've come before the spirit of the people who've come before on the land

00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:00.580 Hazel Adams-Shango: absolutely.

00:15:00.690 --> 00:15:10.810 Hazel Adams-Shango: and our particular instance, the flying Buffalo, which again is located in Vermont and in northern Vermont and the Boyle County. We're positioned

00:15:11.070 --> 00:15:12.740 Hazel Adams-Shango: between a river

00:15:12.860 --> 00:15:14.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in a forest.

00:15:15.160 --> 00:15:19.640 Hazel Adams-Shango: And so you're actually able to sound base

00:15:19.750 --> 00:15:34.310 Hazel Adams-Shango: when you're on that land we're off grid. So there's no Internet access. There's no electricity. There's nothing at You're able to listen to the bird song. You're able to listen to the river rolling across the rocks.

00:15:34.310 --> 00:15:41.400 Hazel Adams-Shango: You're able to listen to the trees in the forest like one's about to fall, and you'll hear that that

00:15:41.520 --> 00:15:45.120 Hazel Adams-Shango: that creaking, and and all of these subtle sounds

00:15:45.700 --> 00:15:55.130 Hazel Adams-Shango: they reach like into the very depth of your soul, if you allow it to, and and having that opportunity

00:15:55.620 --> 00:16:02.990 Hazel Adams-Shango: to have access to the land or to be present on land that offers. That type of environment

00:16:03.250 --> 00:16:05.120 Hazel Adams-Shango: is a big part

00:16:05.470 --> 00:16:11.720 Hazel Adams-Shango: of being free and being able to to capture.

00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:19.330 Hazel Adams-Shango: to be in the right place at the right time to capture that energy and to make it work for yourself and for others.

00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:22.070 Hazel, I want to talk a little bit more

00:16:22.150 --> 00:16:40.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about this when we come back from the break, because i'm actually thinking that I love that you said energy. And i'm thinking about energy. And i'm thinking about the souls of the people who come for now I know this isn't necessarily what we plan to talk about, but it just feels like it's right in this moment.

00:16:41.170 --> 00:17:01.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: even if I think about connecting with the ancestors or the first nation, people who were here before, and honoring them in that way we need to take a quick break. But when we come back we're going to continue our conversation on farming and healing. This is the dismantled racism show. I'm. Your host of Reverend Dr. Tlc. Will be right back.

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00:19:16.090 --> 00:19:21.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with my guest today. Hazel Adams shawn. Go we are talking about

00:19:21.890 --> 00:19:25.880 the healing properties of farming. But before

00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:42.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the break I was talking with you about a spiritual connection when you're on the land, and I appreciate that you said. When we are tune ourselves to it we can feel the energy of it, and so many things are going through my mind right now about, You know, when I, when I

00:19:42.550 --> 00:20:02.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: walk to place where I know the ancestors like Harriet Tubman, have walked, and when I've actually seen, in fact period, Tom and Shawl, I remember reaching my hand out to it, and just the energy that flow through my body because I was in tune, and being connected with it, and even an incident of my dog.

00:20:02.370 --> 00:20:07.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I took my dog into a a park. That was

00:20:07.360 --> 00:20:19.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: where there was a native American cemetery there, and the dog just barked bark as we drove into the park. She was so agitated that I actually turned around

00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:30.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and and took her to a different part. And so I know that the spirits are present there in some way. and i'm just wondering, as your farming. you know, does

00:20:31.080 --> 00:20:34.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: does the spirit of the people who came before

00:20:35.810 --> 00:20:46.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: encourage you and and give you that that you know just that extra momentum that you need. And and do you ever feel overwhelmed. Bye

00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:49.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this the those who came before you. Just

00:20:50.440 --> 00:21:00.660 Hazel Adams-Shango: one thing I will say, and you mentioned it as we were doing the breathing exercise, You said, If you're outside, place your feet in the grass we call that grounding.

00:21:01.070 --> 00:21:15.820 Hazel Adams-Shango: And so what grounds me in this process of learning how to farm the action, farming, the acquisition of the farm I have to identify and acknowledge those that came before me

00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:17.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and my family.

00:21:17.830 --> 00:21:24.540 Hazel Adams-Shango: my particular ancestor, that really set me on this life app is my great-grandfather.

00:21:24.630 --> 00:21:26.970 Hazel Adams-Shango: Judge Tipio African, is jumps.

00:21:27.070 --> 00:21:36.200 Hazel Adams-Shango: He was one of the first sitting African American judges in Arkansas, in the State of Arkansas and his mother. Jemima

00:21:36.270 --> 00:21:37.910 Hazel Adams-Shango: was

00:21:38.310 --> 00:21:53.090 Hazel Adams-Shango: a person who was enslaved at the time of his birth, in 1,863, and his father is known to be a gentleman by the name of Dr. Sanford.

00:21:53.830 --> 00:21:58.170 Hazel Adams-Shango: who, so called, owned his mother and

00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:06.500 Hazel Adams-Shango: CPU African. As Jones stood for justice. It was an Naacp attorney.

00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:18.460 Hazel Adams-Shango: He represented 12 sharecroppers who were facing the death penalty during 1,919. They call that time in history the red sump

00:22:18.490 --> 00:22:30.780 Hazel Adams-Shango: there were numerous lynchings, you know I to be wells worked on, that that several civil rights individuals were working to prevent this action that was taking place

00:22:30.830 --> 00:22:38.050 Hazel Adams-Shango: in large metropolitan cities as well as in rural areas. and although, because he was African.

00:22:38.100 --> 00:22:53.280 Hazel Adams-Shango: American, of African American descent, he could not present before the Supreme court. He did write the Amicus free, the friend of the port, free as well as the habeas corpus brief for the case more versus Dempsey.

00:22:53.380 --> 00:23:06.830 Hazel Adams-Shango: and that habeas corpus brief is very important, because that is the brief that meets Bring the corpus bring the body forward so that we could see the status of those who were in prison, and my mother

00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:21.530 Hazel Adams-Shango: that's her grandfather. She was an educator for 44 years public educator in the Chicago public school system. So summers were that time summers were all I could really have her time and attention.

00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:29.090 Hazel Adams-Shango: and she would fill my summers with working in the garden with her, and just telling me these stories about her grandfather.

00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:33.340 Hazel Adams-Shango: And I was like, really, really, you know, i'm just a very young girl.

00:23:35.600 --> 00:23:50.500 Hazel Adams-Shango: and as I became an adult. I started looking for Cpio African as Jones in history and in the narrative, and my present work, right now just related to family, very briefly, is now I found where Jemima was born

00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:56.430 Hazel Adams-Shango: on a plantation named Abrams plane in North Carolina, and that's really

00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:03.140 Hazel Adams-Shango: has led me to research the history of black farmers in the United States.

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:12.090 Hazel Adams-Shango: What is my position currently in the present? And again, where will my children and my grandchildren be situated in the future?

00:24:12.090 --> 00:24:30.230 Hazel Adams-Shango: I'm. Always working into generationally when I'm I'm working with, and then I must. There's something we do with practice that we have, and definitely is done here in Vermont. I have to acknowledge that the land that we lease to run our agricultural business on in Vermont is the

00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:34.470 Hazel Adams-Shango: on unseated territory of the Abenaki

00:24:34.520 --> 00:24:54.470 Hazel Adams-Shango: peoples. Of this area. Some people say I've been naki. Some say I've been a K. And we must give that land acknowledgment to our brothers and sisters, our indigenous and sisters, as well as my own African ancestors for me, and we we just deal with the respect

00:24:54.470 --> 00:24:59.680 Hazel Adams-Shango: on the land. So yes, you were moved by all of that it's time to plant. Now

00:24:59.890 --> 00:25:08.610 Hazel Adams-Shango: we usually do a blessing around the each of the plots that we're about to. We burn some sage. We'll say some prayers.

00:25:08.610 --> 00:25:27.330 Hazel Adams-Shango: We'll just meditate as well before we engage in the process of telling of sowing the seeds of of the actual activities. I have to tell you, hey, you you! You! You said about 5 different things. I could. I could go there and talk about with you. I just, you know.

00:25:27.370 --> 00:25:39.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: want to just acknowledge how you are weaving history, your love of history, your love of figuring out your your, your family's history, with your love of farming. But really

00:25:39.350 --> 00:25:52.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what you really talked about is the significance of our ancestors work years ago, because we don't read about those things in the history book. But you are talking about. Look, this is who I come from.

00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:58.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So when you see me, I have this strong history right here. My grandfather was a judge

00:25:59.280 --> 00:26:23.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right, and these are the things that he fought for. And I think that this is why it's important for us to tell our children the story. Why, it was important for your grandmother to tell you the story, so that you know who you come from, that. People have been fighting this for years. So you just really enlighten our our listeners about a lot of things, particularly the related to farming. Is it related to lynching?

00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:26.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know as well, and so I do.

00:26:26.610 --> 00:26:38.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I appreciate that, and I appreciate the work. Thank you. Thank you to your grandfather for the work that your grandfather did. But the other thing that you you pointed out here, which is

00:26:38.410 --> 00:26:52.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: not necessarily related to farming. But it's really important for our listeners to know that most of us, most of us black people are only about 2 generations or so removed from enslavement.

00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:59.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that's pretty significant when we think about how long it takes us to heal

00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:05.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from any type of trauma but generational trauma in particular. I I I

00:27:06.230 --> 00:27:17.070 Hazel Adams-Shango: I would definitely agree with you on that point. I get in some of the research that I've been doing just about black farmers again, and related to the family

00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:24.170 Hazel Adams-Shango: the the 1619 Project. I'll bring that up which has caused

00:27:24.260 --> 00:27:32.270 Hazel Adams-Shango: quite a stir with regards to school curriculums, and what direction we're going to go with that and and we

00:27:32.370 --> 00:27:39.810 Hazel Adams-Shango: a retelling of our narrative by ourselves, by our own selves by our personal self, individuals and families.

00:27:39.910 --> 00:27:41.790 but in 1,619

00:27:41.830 --> 00:27:43.840 Hazel Adams-Shango: for Jamestown, Virginia.

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:52.510 Hazel Adams-Shango: there is a log of a sailor that came across, and they brought 20, some

00:27:54.340 --> 00:28:06.300 Hazel Adams-Shango: I person who were enslaved. I don't like to refer to our people as as slaves that humanizes that whole, but persons who were enslaved.

00:28:06.390 --> 00:28:17.090 Hazel Adams-Shango: and from from, I believe, the Congo Angola actually no Angola. and because the Portuguese were involved in a war

00:28:17.350 --> 00:28:33.250 Hazel Adams-Shango: with the folks indigenous to that area of the country we now call Ebola in Africa. And so these 20 individuals were brought to Jamestown, Virginia, in 1,619, and were traded for food.

00:28:33.280 --> 00:28:40.450 Hazel Adams-Shango: and that is the first recorded in a log of an exchange of a human being

00:28:41.560 --> 00:28:45.710 Hazel Adams-Shango: for a material like in North America.

00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:48.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In the in these what they call

00:28:48.580 --> 00:29:07.030 Hazel Adams-Shango: these United States, but also known as terminal. I don't Great Turtle Island, and so I find, so that 1,619 date can be a starting point for many. Historically, as we look at Africans or people of African descent being involved in agriculture in these United States.

00:29:07.810 --> 00:29:20.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, so so again we have been involved since, you know. very early on we've been in instrumental in helping this country to be

00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:37.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what this country is right, and we do know that many of the foods that we eat like you said they're actually brought from other other places. Right, Hazel, we're going to take a break, and when we come back I really would like to hear.

00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:42.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know you. You worked in city government for a while in politics. What brought you back

00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:49.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to your roots, though? And then I want to make sure that we're we're talking about. What what do you see?

00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As some of the healing modalities

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that farming offers, as it relates, to

00:29:58.270 --> 00:30:04.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just dismantling racism, but healing within ourselves, how do we use farming

00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:08.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to help us heal how to therapeutic. So

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00:32:17.060 --> 00:32:26.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with the dismantle racism show, and we're talking today about the healing properties of farming. Among other things. Hazel. you know

00:32:27.540 --> 00:32:35.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what brought you back, so you always appreciate it, you know farming and your connection with that.

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:38.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But you obviously left that for a while to go work and

00:32:39.010 --> 00:32:42.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: other avenue. So what was the thing that brought you back

00:32:42.980 --> 00:32:44.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: home to farming?

00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.890 Hazel Adams-Shango: The one thing that has always grounded me all of my life, my children.

00:32:51.310 --> 00:32:53.250 Hazel Adams-Shango: So, oddly enough.

00:32:53.420 --> 00:33:09.120 Hazel Adams-Shango: so I was growing up in Chicago on the south side, both my father and my mother garden. They grew things in the backyard. Both My father and mother were both originally raised in Vicksburg, Mississippi.

00:33:09.140 --> 00:33:28.380 Hazel Adams-Shango: My grandparents had a homestead. They are right along the Mississippi River. So in the summers there were chickens and things of that. But those were very early memories, that elementary school years. As I went into high school in college, I would have never thought to go into agriculture even as a a profession.

00:33:28.430 --> 00:33:29.660 Hazel Adams-Shango: In fact.

00:33:29.860 --> 00:33:48.740 Hazel Adams-Shango: it's often, in my generation say class of 79 entering freshman year of college. It was thought never to go back to the layer that we were to elevate and to rise ourselves, so raise ourselves up. So we were supposed to be the doctors, the lawyers.

00:33:48.740 --> 00:34:05.040 Hazel Adams-Shango: the dentist, the architects, our parents, and our our grandparents, have fought so far through Jim Crow through the civil rights movement of the sixtys. This was our opportunity to attend to 4 Year University

00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:17.820 Hazel Adams-Shango: and to become a licensed and certified professional. So agriculture was never thought of as a career option. However, after raising the children in New York and Washington, DC.

00:34:17.830 --> 00:34:20.159 Hazel Adams-Shango: And I served on various

00:34:20.550 --> 00:34:32.810 Hazel Adams-Shango: public education councils, also Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner in Washington, DC. For the Adams Morgan community there for those who are familiar. I've always had this calling to public service.

00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:40.880 Hazel Adams-Shango: but during the pandemic my children called me to Vermont to My 3 adult children resided here at the time.

00:34:40.900 --> 00:34:58.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they were like Well, we're really very concerned about you staying in New York on your own during this time, and my youngest little Hazel is actually a registered nurse. So she was very concerned, health wise, even because New York was one of the earlier epicenters.

00:34:58.730 --> 00:35:12.760 Hazel Adams-Shango: Yeah. And so I came up just for a while, just kind of like to visit one. It looked like things got more serious. Then I said, okay, i'll stay here for a while, and you know, see how things go. But I was always interested

00:35:13.450 --> 00:35:15.970 Hazel Adams-Shango: in planning for my retirement.

00:35:16.040 --> 00:35:22.620 Hazel Adams-Shango: About 5 years ago I just started thinking about things. I'd still like to stay at.

00:35:22.630 --> 00:35:32.820 Hazel Adams-Shango: What can I do? And I was originally interested in hydroponic farming, which is the use of Walker only. and liquid nutrients to grow plants.

00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:49.220 Hazel Adams-Shango: But as I came here to Vermont and I actually took a farm immersion course for a one week, intensive where we were on a local farm in weights from on, and they taught us how to plant the seeds, how to harvest, how to run

00:35:49.310 --> 00:36:00.220 Hazel Adams-Shango: your stand, then all all the aspects of of running and operating the farm, I said, this is something I can do. I can get hands in the dirt here.

00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:10.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love that. You actually just took me back to my roots because while we didn't have a farm we had, we had a couple of cows. We had some pigs or hogs, and we had.

00:36:10.350 --> 00:36:23.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I wouldn't call it a garden. We used to call it a field, because it was so long, and yet to go out there and chop it, and you know you had to pick your peas, your greens, your you know watermelon, whatever squash, whatever you had.

00:36:23.350 --> 00:36:31.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it's interesting because you're taking me back to those days of sitting and shelling the peas and Canning, and all of that.

00:36:31.600 --> 00:36:34.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know how to do none of that now.

00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:42.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, you just you! It it's practice makes perfect. It's really what you said, though it that we

00:36:43.020 --> 00:36:47.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: weren't taught that this is what we were going to come back to. But tell us.

00:36:48.260 --> 00:36:51.190 how do you see? Farming as being

00:36:51.390 --> 00:36:52.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: healing?

00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:56.320 Hazel Adams-Shango: And I I really have to?

00:36:56.550 --> 00:37:15.350 Hazel Adams-Shango: I can't emphasize it enough for me, having raised the children in very large urban areas. Whether it was Washington, DC. Chicago, New York. There, and especially in New York, very large mega cities, concentrated areas. There was very little fresh air. We had noise pollution.

00:37:15.350 --> 00:37:26.830 Hazel Adams-Shango: I remember, in the early 2,000 having to travel about 45 min just to get organic vegetables. They weren't in our local grocery stores in the

00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:31.340 Hazel Adams-Shango: inner city. Urban areas prior to 2,000

00:37:31.620 --> 00:37:36.240 Hazel Adams-Shango: prior to 2,000 years. Organic vegetables were very difficult to find.

00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:53.080 Hazel Adams-Shango: although the organic movement, since the nineties actually in the late eighties had actually been going and growing naturally always, George Washington Carver showed us that at Tuskegee they we call him the father, you know of just

00:37:54.520 --> 00:38:04.400 Hazel Adams-Shango: what do we call it? Like a conservation agriculture? He made so many things with those goers, and all of those, all of those items. But what happens here

00:38:04.410 --> 00:38:08.560 Hazel Adams-Shango: for us at least, or for me. is that

00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:12.930 Hazel Adams-Shango: taking a step back from all that energy in the city

00:38:13.010 --> 00:38:14.390 Hazel Adams-Shango: negative energy.

00:38:14.620 --> 00:38:20.670 Hazel Adams-Shango: and actually to be able to come to a place like Vermont. which has less than 1 million

00:38:20.970 --> 00:38:32.290 Hazel Adams-Shango: and population in the whole state. They're only about 690,000 people here. So there's a lot of space. There's a lot of fresh air, and actually taking the time to reflect

00:38:32.770 --> 00:38:34.670 Hazel Adams-Shango: on my experiences.

00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:41.370 Hazel Adams-Shango: and to say, hey. I like to make a different choice. With the remaining years of my life.

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:49.340 Hazel Adams-Shango: I i'd like to move in a different step, and that the other piece that for me

00:38:49.350 --> 00:38:55.540 Hazel Adams-Shango: that has been working on my own personal healing is, I want it to be able to produce something

00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.620 Hazel Adams-Shango: and not simply consume it.

00:38:57.640 --> 00:39:14.400 Hazel Adams-Shango: I had been a producer all of my life I mean a consumer all of my life, and i'm purchasing, and I'm doing all these things. But I wanted to produce, and I wanted to produce, not only for my family, my children, but for others in my community, wherever I may find myself, I find myself in community.

00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:32.760 Hazel Adams-Shango: and that's why I always serve. So I was trying to figure out. Oh, what it's gonna be my role here in Vermont, you know, in Washington, DC: I was the Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner in New York. I was Community Education Council person. What am I going to do here in Vermont as a service?

00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.510 Hazel Adams-Shango: And i'm going to feed the people

00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So it sounds like, you know.

00:39:37.450 --> 00:39:45.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when I think about what you're saying around healing. The mere fact that we're doing something where we're producing.

00:39:45.850 --> 00:39:53.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we're contributing is a healing property in it of itself, and I could imagine that

00:39:54.080 --> 00:40:10.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: seeing something grow and come to life is therapeutic, you know, because i'm always as a psychologist thinking about the therapy part of it. But just the fact that you're creating something that you're in a harmony with nature is is a healing

00:40:10.150 --> 00:40:14.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: element as well, you know, watching it just

00:40:15.100 --> 00:40:28.730 Hazel Adams-Shango: awesome, and I I would even say it's a partnership. A lot of folks. A lot of farmers will use the word stewardship when it comes to land, because we use our phrase, givers of care

00:40:28.740 --> 00:40:48.170 Hazel Adams-Shango: instead of caregiving. We're givers of care to the land, and so it's about stepping into the circle of reciprocity within the universe. Even I taught my children that as I reared them, that we are a family, we are a team, and we need to share with one another

00:40:48.450 --> 00:41:08.090 Hazel Adams-Shango: are both our good things, and some of the traumas that we've experienced will carry will shoulder that load along with you as well. That is a part of being a family. But you must step in into the circle of reciprocity. And so for individuals who look to the land for healing.

00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:10.480 Hazel Adams-Shango: It's about stepping

00:41:10.790 --> 00:41:18.140 Hazel Adams-Shango: into the circle of reciprocity with Mother Earth, and being open to receiving

00:41:19.160 --> 00:41:20.780 Hazel Adams-Shango: what she has to offer.

00:41:21.010 --> 00:41:40.230 Hazel Adams-Shango: which is a great deal of abundance, but also when you're planting their their rainstorms, their floods, they are. The deer will eat everything that you have, you know, sometimes. And so, if you look at nature, it's it's it's exactly how life operates. Just look around you

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:47.870 Hazel Adams-Shango: in nature. It's exactly how life operates and it's in seasons, and there's a time for everything.

00:41:48.210 --> 00:42:00.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I know Ha Hazel just from being a part of some of your work before you've talked about. You know these various dimensions of wellness and healing.

00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:02.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as it relates to farming. So

00:42:03.190 --> 00:42:17.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk a little bit, and you've already begun to talk about that. But but I've heard you speak in the past about like the spiritual piece, the social cultural. Can you speak a little bit about how that connects with wellness and healing?

00:42:18.730 --> 00:42:30.890 Hazel Adams-Shango: So I have a an internal concept that I've been developing, that you, you know, are so much familiar with. About these. There are, there are recognized dimensions

00:42:31.270 --> 00:42:32.730 Hazel Adams-Shango: of wellness.

00:42:33.660 --> 00:42:41.900 Hazel Adams-Shango: spiritual wellness, social wellness, economic health and wellness, financial, their environmental.

00:42:41.970 --> 00:43:01.000 Hazel Adams-Shango: There are these areas, but those are also areas that could be perceived as areas of harm as well. When we start talking about racism, or we start talking about a discrimination and bias, because if we don't have access to a good health care

00:43:01.060 --> 00:43:05.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or adequate health care or culturally sensitive health care.

00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:22.570 Hazel Adams-Shango: then we will experience a harm in that area, and we need to step into the circle to nature circle of reciprocity, so that we can heal ourselves by maybe taking ourselves to a different environment, even in and of itself, I think for me.

00:43:22.630 --> 00:43:24.880 Hazel Adams-Shango: from a social perspective.

00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:39.520 Hazel Adams-Shango: I am able to speak to people of other cultures about farming universally. Now other areas may become very hypersensitive and and hyper focal around race

00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:52.960 Hazel Adams-Shango: and ethnicity and culture. But one thing that I've noticed about farming for me, and that is help to heal me in regards to interacting with diverse populations. That's something that we can all talk about

00:43:53.020 --> 00:43:54.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: without

00:43:54.820 --> 00:44:05.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a great deal of reproach.

00:44:06.220 --> 00:44:11.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How does it help us mentally and emotionally, from that intellectual place?

00:44:11.530 --> 00:44:29.980 Hazel Adams-Shango: Other dimensions of health do include mental and emotional, so in my construct that I configure even for myself, and that I practice the mental is more that's more of my thoughts. The emotional. I kind of characterize as more of my feelings.

00:44:30.070 --> 00:44:38.450 Hazel Adams-Shango: and they're coming from 2 different places, or originating from 2 different places, and so I try to

00:44:39.330 --> 00:44:41.110 Hazel Adams-Shango: heal my mindset

00:44:41.180 --> 00:44:47.340 Hazel Adams-Shango: my mental, my thoughts with just becoming one with nature

00:44:47.490 --> 00:44:51.360 Hazel Adams-Shango: becoming one with this process of growth and development

00:44:51.390 --> 00:44:59.540 Hazel Adams-Shango: that's what i'm actually engaged in. I'm not engaged in farming anything. I'm engaged in growing and developing something

00:44:59.670 --> 00:45:01.660 Hazel Adams-Shango: from the emotional

00:45:01.810 --> 00:45:11.030 Hazel Adams-Shango: and my feelings. I notice that i'm much more relaxed when I'm. On the land. I notice that i'm much. I can breathe differently.

00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:13.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The the air is cleaner.

00:45:13.910 --> 00:45:31.010 Hazel Adams-Shango: It's fresher much fresher than it was in the Bronx New York right? It's just. We have tons of pollution and tons of things, and when I saw myself healing it was really through the reflection of my children, they began to notice. Mom, you you really looking better.

00:45:31.130 --> 00:45:32.950 Hazel Adams-Shango: You're much more relaxed

00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:47.050 Hazel Adams-Shango: during a time of Covid that they're telling you exactly. Exactly. And then my my eldest son and I'll. I'll just close this segment out briefly. My eldest son told me last season last summer.

00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:52.030 Hazel Adams-Shango: he said, that's where you belong. I saw you.

00:45:52.330 --> 00:45:53.790 Hazel Adams-Shango: I see you.

00:45:53.830 --> 00:45:56.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. And you are a piece there.

00:45:56.410 --> 00:46:26.410 Hazel Adams-Shango: and that alarmed me at 1 point. It's like, oh, well, he's never really seen me at piece, because I've always been working and going to graduate school, and it's our best teachers right? Exactly so. Whenever I hear things, I I get that confirmation from my children, from other family members. Then I know I'm in the right place. Yeah, right? So we have to take a real, really quick break, and when we come back for a final segment, i'd like you to really tap into like the physical and the financial healing

00:46:26.410 --> 00:46:29.100 modalities as well. We'll be right back.

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00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:40.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with the dismantle Racism show Hazel if you would

00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:44.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk to me a little bit about the physical

00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:49.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: healing properties of being out on the land.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.640 Hazel Adams-Shango: I absolutely when you're out on the land

00:48:53.490 --> 00:48:56.030 Hazel Adams-Shango: they it's it. It engages

00:48:56.150 --> 00:49:11.350 Hazel Adams-Shango: all 6 senses or 5 senses of site. You you're seeing the most beautiful flora and fauna environment you're hearing, i'm listening to the bird song again, listening to the river.

00:49:11.350 --> 00:49:21.530 Hazel Adams-Shango: listening to animals, wrestling those kinds of things your touch okay, and put the hands in the dirt and the dirt has all kinds of

00:49:21.680 --> 00:49:38.180 Hazel Adams-Shango: special properties that help produce endorphins in your mind to help you feel happier and better, and so, and doing the actual physical work and labor staying fit using. You know your arms, your legs, and and just

00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.280 Hazel Adams-Shango: the work that you're engaged in. It keeps your body moving.

00:49:42.430 --> 00:49:54.420 Hazel Adams-Shango: It keeps your focus on just what you're doing there with the land. Your mind doesn't travel as far, but that 6 cents

00:49:54.710 --> 00:49:56.160 Hazel Adams-Shango: your third eye

00:49:56.210 --> 00:49:58.930 Hazel Adams-Shango: this the spiritual piece.

00:49:59.450 --> 00:50:03.310 Hazel Adams-Shango: and and that's just it. I would even call it an awakened.

00:50:03.790 --> 00:50:14.730 Hazel Adams-Shango: and each person has that experience with working on land at their own pace at their own time, and it's a especially an expressly for you.

00:50:14.890 --> 00:50:17.950 Hazel Adams-Shango: No one else will get that same message

00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:22.140 Hazel Adams-Shango: spiritually that you will receive

00:50:23.470 --> 00:50:27.730 Hazel Adams-Shango: to your experience

00:50:27.830 --> 00:50:35.860 Hazel Adams-Shango: their their financial aspects as well to health and wellness and and

00:50:36.020 --> 00:50:41.450 Hazel Adams-Shango: bootstrapping the farm, financing the farm. That's actually been a lot of the

00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:51.060 Hazel Adams-Shango: political and economic struggle that the black farmers have been engaged in with the United States Department of Agriculture, and I I believe there's

00:50:51.090 --> 00:51:09.030 Hazel Adams-Shango: those court cases Pickford versus I just can't think of the other from 2019 or so right Exactly. But that issue right. There was. Black Farmers went to the Usda, and with complaints and say, we're not having access to the loans. They grant a lot of money.

00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:16.660 Hazel Adams-Shango: and so financially. you can do farming at your own pace.

00:51:16.690 --> 00:51:31.440 Hazel Adams-Shango: Whatever seeds are very inexpensive. Just if you know you you can get a packet full of seeds for $2, or under sometimes a dollar, 29 for some string being a packet of spring being, since you generally have about 25,

00:51:31.490 --> 00:51:37.670 Hazel Adams-Shango: sometimes maybe up to 50 seats in one packet, but that will provide

00:51:38.510 --> 00:51:46.830 Hazel Adams-Shango: 25 servings 50 servings of beings, or someone so it's not as difficult as one would think

00:51:47.020 --> 00:51:54.380 Hazel Adams-Shango: in that sense. But you do have to put your financial house in order so that you can prioritize

00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.710 Hazel Adams-Shango: the time you want to spend on the

00:51:57.310 --> 00:52:11.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how much money you want to spend there, what types of things that you need to do in order to ready yourself. But you know what I hear you saying, though it it it just in giving that example about the packet of seeds, so find it.

00:52:11.600 --> 00:52:38.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Farming can be financially lucrative, and if we plan for it properly. But I also you're you saying, even with our own home and our own space, if we want to be mindful if we want healthy food, and also it would help us probably bring down our grocery bill if we did it more for me. I wish I could say I was in inspired to go out and do this. But i'm excited about what you're saying, but I know it probably Won't be

00:52:38.420 --> 00:52:47.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the thing that I do personally. And yet I want to just ask this question, because it actually is something that I've thought about for our church.

00:52:48.590 --> 00:52:50.840 Lots of places pop up these

00:52:50.960 --> 00:53:06.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: farms in the city areas if they have a little plot of land that they do farming where we can start to do this. And so it might be a good idea for people who may not have that green thumb or time to do this.

00:53:06.090 --> 00:53:18.160 Hazel Adams-Shango: They could start programs right in their city areas. Or and can you speak to that just for a little urban farming is taking the United States by store.

00:53:18.520 --> 00:53:38.080 Hazel Adams-Shango: It was already in motion. I could see it in New York Community gardens, rooftop gardens. My daughter participated in an internship when she was in middle school at what we call the Bronx green machine, and they were doing vertical agriculture, and that was a decade ago.

00:53:38.080 --> 00:53:51.900 Hazel Adams-Shango: But because of the pandemic, I I think, having to spend time with the family supply chains being broken for a significant amount of time people actually had to reflect.

00:53:51.990 --> 00:53:59.000 Hazel Adams-Shango: And again, if that was that process for me coming up here, I had time to finally self reflect and say, Hmm!

00:53:59.020 --> 00:54:04.680 Hazel Adams-Shango: I could actually be growing something here. But there is funding with the Usda for community guards.

00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:24.610 Hazel Adams-Shango: There's funding for churches who are nonprofits generally. There's a lot of grant funding out there, so you don't even have to take out a loan when you're engaged in a nonprofit, social enterprises, things of that nature there.

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:29.040 Hazel Adams-Shango: There is a profit to be made in farming. but that's

00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:47.080 Hazel Adams-Shango: after you have increased your ability to produce and it. It. It's a time-sensitive kind of issue. You're actually thought in farming to be a beginning farmer for the first 10 years you don't become a journeyman farmer until after your tenth year.

00:54:47.100 --> 00:54:50.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Wow! So you know a lot of time learning.

00:54:50.140 --> 00:55:09.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hazel. Listen. We You know you have been such a delight to have on the show. We actually have gotten lots of comments from people saying how they love today's show and and the topic that we're talking about. So I just want to thank you for being on the show, and I of course I want to thank my listeners as well. But, Hazel, before we wrap up.

00:55:11.540 --> 00:55:20.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you have some words that you want to offer to us some words of of inspiration, or what drives you remove? You

00:55:20.290 --> 00:55:37.570 Hazel Adams-Shango: absolutely, Reverend Dr. Carolyn again. Thank you so much for having me today. I am always so inspired when I hear you speak, and so to be in communion and in the space with you today is just really been an honor for me and a and a treasure.

00:55:37.570 --> 00:55:48.930 Hazel Adams-Shango: I just want to encourage people. There is a first from Daniel 12 I mean sorry Chapter 12 versus one through 4. It says, they, that be wise

00:55:48.950 --> 00:55:53.390 Hazel Adams-Shango: shall shine as the brightness of the firmament

00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.810 Hazel Adams-Shango: as the stars forever and ever.

00:55:57.140 --> 00:56:02.310 Hazel Adams-Shango: And that's how I see my ancestors. They're that light.

00:56:02.580 --> 00:56:21.010 Hazel Adams-Shango: Whenever there's the darkness whenever i'm thinking there's self, doubt am I going to be able to plant these 1,000 beats in the next 2 weeks, or are we out? Are going to be able to pay for this high tunnel, or or pay for this, or pay for that. I kind of just look towards my life.

00:56:21.190 --> 00:56:30.680 Hazel Adams-Shango: which is my spiritual center and the Creator of the universe. And as I recognize it, God. But I want people to seek their like.

00:56:30.870 --> 00:56:37.300 Hazel Adams-Shango: Yeah, and let your light shines right as the stars do at night in the firmament.

00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:48.470 Hazel Adams-Shango: and you will find your way to some part of the land, if not to recreate. to grow, if not to grow, perhaps to offer business consultation

00:56:48.520 --> 00:56:56.680 Hazel Adams-Shango: to young black farmers that are looking forward to participating in this process, and this act of healing

00:56:57.590 --> 00:57:04.220 Hazel Adams-Shango: identify and acknowledge that you want to be healed, and you want some place on the land to do that?

00:57:04.230 --> 00:57:06.680 Hazel Adams-Shango: Then we get to educate yourself.

00:57:06.680 --> 00:57:36.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah. So that's what They' like. We actually do have to wrap up. But tell me again that was Daniel 12. And what was the verse? That was Daniel 12 versus one through 4 hazel again. I want to thank you so much for being on the show Today I am honored that you would be here, especially since I know that this is is you don't give too many of these interviews, so i'm really grateful for you, grateful for my listeners. Thank you so much for commenting.

00:57:36.450 --> 00:57:49.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Please continue to to pour your comments and your questions out to, or on our Facebook page. As well stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam.

00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:59.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or he helps you to grow through life with the greatest of ease and joy. Be well, be safe. Be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now.

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