[NEW EPISODE] The Race Card

Thursdays 11:00am - 12:00pm (EDT)

WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?

The audience will get a glimpse of how racism impacts medical/mental health treatment, diagnoses, and prevalence. 

EPISODE SUMMARY:

There is often a sentiment that when folks of color talk about racism or discrimination that we are "playing the race card." There isn't such a thing as a "race card." The truth is the whole deck of cards is based on race - structural, systemic, and institutional racism. Woven into our society are practices and behaviors that are based on racist policies and beliefs that influence the care, treatment, and life trajectory of people of color. 

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and Dr. Khadija Tuitt as they discuss how racism impacts the mental health care and treatment of people of color. Both Rev. Dr. TLC, who is a licensed psychologist, and Dr. Tuitt, who is Certified Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner, have an extensive history of providing psychiatric and therapeutic interventions for people who are black and brown. They will discuss barriers and solutions to appropriate mental health treatment. Don't miss this important conversation.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

For more information, reach out to Dr. TLC via her website, sacredintelligence.com. The show kicks off with a grounding meditation led by Dr. TLC. She then delves into an important topic—exploring the reasons why people of color may lack trust in the system. Today's focus revolves around mental health within the black community. Rev. Dr. TLC warmly welcomes Dr. Khadija Tuitt, a Certified Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner with a wealth of experience in providing psychiatric and therapeutic interventions specifically tailored for individuals who are black and brown.

Segment 2

Dr. Khadija tells us about what inspired her to do this work. She was motivated by her own trauma and how silenced she felt in her youth. She emphasizes that it is important to ask why a community is derailing and how the system may be playing  a crucial role. Her mother’s best friend, who was a nursing maid, played a pivotal role in inspiring Khadija’s work. She had a lot of encounters with victims of trauma. These formative experiences urged her to get off the streets and build a new life for herself. Dr. TLC and Dr. Khadija discuss the importance of infiltrating spaces where black individuals are not able to occupy. 

Segment 3

In the spiritual community, money often carries a negative connotation. However, Sam offers a fresh perspective, viewing money as a tool that has the power to amplify our true nature. By examining our relationship with money, we gain valuable insights into our connection with our core values. Sam openly acknowledges that he, too, has made regrettable decisions in the past when it comes to money.

Segment 4

Transcript

00:00:43.630 --> 00:01:00.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello and welcome to the dismantle Racism show. I'm. Your host of Reverend Dr. Tlc. The goal of the show is to help you to uncover Eradicate and dismantle racism. I am so delighted as always to have you with me today.

00:01:01.060 --> 00:01:18.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I'm especially excited today, and I know, I say, that every time. But this time i'm excited because this is mental health awareness month, and we are going to be talking today about mental health, in particularly the African American community, but in people of color in general.

00:01:18.870 --> 00:01:36.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so I want you to stay tuned. If you have questions. Please make sure you put your questions on Facebook. Put them on Youtube. Please tell a friend to join you, to listen to this conversation today, if you like what you hear on the dismantled racism Show, please subscribe and

00:01:36.480 --> 00:02:02.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: tell other people to subscribe as well. We want to build our following so that people can understand what they need to do if they want to engage in racial equity and social advocacy. And if you just want to learn more about the things that are relevant to people of color. So whether you're an advocate and ally, or just listening in for yourself, it is important

00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:18.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for you to listen to the show each week, and also to tell other people about it. So you can have some discussions if you have questions as well. I invite you to send me a message@sacredintelligence.com. Just go to the website.

00:02:18.850 --> 00:02:26.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you will find a contact page there, and you will be able to send all your questions, thoughts, and comments to me.

00:02:27.210 --> 00:02:40.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We want to get started, as we always do with our show, and I want to invite us into a time of meditation. So if you would, I just invite you to close your eyes if you're in a place where you could do so.

00:02:41.290 --> 00:02:49.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if you are sitting I just want you to. you know. Place your feet firmly on the floor.

00:02:49.950 --> 00:02:57.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want you to begin to feel yourself supported by your chair or by your couch.

00:02:57.630 --> 00:03:04.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your car seed wherever you are, if you're not, of course, driving, and you're pulled over some place.

00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:13.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Want to make sure that you're safe. I want you to just begin to breathe in and out.

00:03:14.750 --> 00:03:16.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your breath.

00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:20.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your divine wisdom.

00:03:22.050 --> 00:03:25.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your sacred intelligence.

00:03:25.610 --> 00:03:30.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which is that part of you that allows you to make intelligent choices

00:03:30.650 --> 00:03:37.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that are gonna manifest your greatness while helping others to manifest their greatness.

00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:43.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So breathe in and out, and I want to just invite you, if you would.

00:03:43.940 --> 00:03:47.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to take a really slow, deep breath in

00:03:47.940 --> 00:03:49.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and hold it.

00:03:51.090 --> 00:03:54.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then just to release it really slowly.

00:03:57.130 --> 00:04:00.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'll take one more deep breath in very, very slowly.

00:04:01.990 --> 00:04:03.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and hold it

00:04:05.420 --> 00:04:06.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then release it.

00:04:08.530 --> 00:04:11.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And as you return to your normal breathing

00:04:11.910 --> 00:04:16.399 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognize that there is power in your breath.

00:04:19.130 --> 00:04:21.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your breath centers you.

00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:25.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It comes you when you're feeling anxious.

00:04:26.710 --> 00:04:30.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It gives you a moment to think, when you've been triggered.

00:04:32.710 --> 00:04:39.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's stabilized issue. and it lets you know that you are full of life.

00:04:40.860 --> 00:04:42.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It connects you with

00:04:43.940 --> 00:04:46.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your sacredness, your divinity

00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: again. It connects you with your power.

00:04:53.490 --> 00:04:58.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if you pay attention to your breath, if you sit quietly enough.

00:04:59.420 --> 00:05:03.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you will receive guidance and direction for your next step.

00:05:06.550 --> 00:05:10.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you will understand that you matter

00:05:11.850 --> 00:05:13.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and what you do matters.

00:05:15.690 --> 00:05:20.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you will understand your connection with others.

00:05:21.410 --> 00:05:24.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Whether that be family, community, or the world.

00:05:26.350 --> 00:05:28.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are all interconnected.

00:05:30.320 --> 00:05:32.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We do not exist in a silo.

00:05:35.100 --> 00:05:38.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You are important, and your work is important.

00:05:40.910 --> 00:05:43.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Your purpose is support it

00:05:45.570 --> 00:05:54.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so just breathe in and out. and let that settle into your very being. your essence.

00:05:59.660 --> 00:06:03.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out, and give gratitude for this moment.

00:06:05.380 --> 00:06:07.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Gratitude for

00:06:08.130 --> 00:06:09.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the guest

00:06:09.460 --> 00:06:12.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: was here today to enlighten us.

00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Gratitude for the conversation.

00:06:16.870 --> 00:06:24.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and as you breathe in and out, I invite you to open up your mind to receive new information.

00:06:26.340 --> 00:06:34.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to understand differently than perhaps you have before about a topic that may seem familiar to you.

00:06:38.660 --> 00:06:40.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just take a deep breath in.

00:06:42.870 --> 00:06:47.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: give gratitude for yourself. and this time in place.

00:06:49.420 --> 00:06:56.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and recognize that the power of one contributes to the power of community.

00:06:59.210 --> 00:07:01.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So take one more deep breath in

00:07:02.930 --> 00:07:09.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: side out. and we say, and so it is. Oh, she

00:07:09.810 --> 00:07:11.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and Amen.

00:07:15.070 --> 00:07:24.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In preparing for today's show on mental health, I decided to do something that I haven't done in years.

00:07:24.590 --> 00:07:31.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that is, I went and picked up this dissertation that I did so many years ago.

00:07:32.510 --> 00:07:34.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And you know.

00:07:34.900 --> 00:07:54.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when you do a dissertation, unless you're going to publish it for writing most of the time. You don't want to look at it again. You actually don't want to go back through You don't want it. You don't want to look and see the number of errors, and you've looked at it like it. Seems like millions of time. So you just just don't want to look at it again. But you're proud of the work that you've done.

00:07:54.440 --> 00:07:56.320 Well, why did I pick it up today?

00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:03.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I picked it up today because I was reminded really that

00:08:03.250 --> 00:08:11.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the topic that I chose was help seeking among black parents the utilization of professional

00:08:11.740 --> 00:08:14.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and non professional help.

00:08:14.640 --> 00:08:27.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because years ago, when I did my my dissertation, which was in 1998. I can't believe the time has gone by so quickly. But when I did my work I wondered whether

00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:34.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people of color. black people in particular. whether we saw it help

00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:42.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because oftentimes we do not, because of the history of what has happened to us.

00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:52.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Some of you will remember the syphilis study that was done at Tuskegee Institute, where they purposely gave black men syphilis

00:08:53.980 --> 00:08:59.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for the purposes of a study. We were guinea pigs. and so we.

00:08:59.280 --> 00:09:06.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as people of color as African Americans, don't often trust the system because of what has happened to us in the past.

00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are other things that come into play with. Why, we don't trust the system as well, because

00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:24.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sometimes we feel like, if we go and talk to people who don't understand us, who don't understand our culture. The next thing you know, the Department of Children and families might be called on us.

00:09:24.260 --> 00:09:28.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so we don't trust the system. and we have this thing about

00:09:29.630 --> 00:09:32.460 what happens in the family stays in the family.

00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:48.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and unfortunately, when we don't talk about things, we don't recognize that there are other people in the community who are going through things. We don't recognize that there are people who look like us who are available to help us, and we don't recognize that

00:09:48.510 --> 00:09:57.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there are people who don't look like us who are willing to help us, and who can understand us and what we're going through.

00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:17.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So when I looked at my dissertation, you know briefly what I really discovered was that oftentimes we we will go and have a social network. If there are people that we trust to talk to, and those people may not necessarily be the ones to help us out professionally with the help that we need.

00:10:18.670 --> 00:10:25.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if the problem is severe enough. we might go and get help.

00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:27.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But all too often

00:10:27.950 --> 00:10:47.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we will say, oh, something is wrong with that person. They're little touched in the head or just. That's just the way that they are. Yeah, Well, it might be the way that they are, but they could get some treatment, and they don't have to suffer, and neither do you have to suffer. If there is someone in your family, or even if you yourself

00:10:47.200 --> 00:11:02.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: have some mental health issues. So today on the show, we're actually going to be talking about mental health in the black community and what we're talking about is actually relevant to other folks as well. So please

00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:03.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: don't

00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:13.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: stop listening because you think it's not relevant for you, because much of what we're going to talk about, even if we're talking about some of the symptoms of mental health and talking about.

00:11:14.260 --> 00:11:20.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know how to find the right provider for you. All of those things are relevant to you.

00:11:21.560 --> 00:11:24.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to start by saying, though.

00:11:24.190 --> 00:11:28.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that because this show is about dismantling racism.

00:11:29.290 --> 00:11:49.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what we will be looking at. And the reason why we're talking about African Americans in particular is because race permeates every single thing that we do in society, and people will often say, oh, you're just playing the race cart, or why do you have to talk about race so much is because we live in a system

00:11:49.410 --> 00:11:56.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that is inherently races, and all our policies, and even some of our rules

00:11:56.390 --> 00:12:03.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are based on race is based on categorizing people and other people.

00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:11.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I've talked about it before. When you look at the criminal justice system, who do you see in the criminal justice system more often

00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:17.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: even for committing the same crimes that are white counterparts commit.

00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:18.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You see

00:12:18.630 --> 00:12:24.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people of color, and in particular there's a high prevalence of black folk in prison.

00:12:24.500 --> 00:12:34.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, the same thing happens when we look at medical disparities, and when we're looking at mental health disparities, even in the way people diagnose us.

00:12:34.910 --> 00:12:37.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because they will see behaviors

00:12:37.690 --> 00:12:51.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as deviant that are not actually deviant behaviors and and race. Isn't considered. Oftentimes when people are diagnosing. So today we're going to get into this conversation with my guess

00:12:51.040 --> 00:13:21.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my guest today is Khadija to it, and and she will come on in a few minutes after the break. But I want to tell you a little bit about her just before we break. She is a certified psychiatric mental health nurse, practitioner, and I for one, i'm happy to see that she has really this dual degree of being a a psychotherapist and a nurse practitioner, because she can actually diagnose and treat. At the same time she earned her doctorate degree

00:13:21.030 --> 00:13:38.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and she's worked in health care for 20 years. She is an alumna of the partnership fellows program for emerging leaders of color, and she was nominated for the prestigious, national, compassionate caregiver of the year award.

00:13:38.730 --> 00:13:51.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Dr. To it is a mentor and public speaker who strives to help organizations understand the barriers that many black and underserved individual spaces she ventures to create opportunities

00:13:51.630 --> 00:14:06.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to break through racial biases, through creating opportunities for organization to understand the power of culture, diversity, and inclusivity. So when we come back from the break, I want to welcome to the show, Dr. Khadija

00:14:06.760 --> 00:14:14.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to it. We'll be right back with the dis dismantle racism. Show. Excuse me, your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc.

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00:16:28.530 --> 00:16:33.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with my guest today, Dr. Khadija, to to it.

00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:48.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am so delighted to see you again. I first had the wonderful wonderful opportunity of meeting Doctor to it when she was on a mental health panel with my church, the Martin Luther King Community, Presbyterian Church.

00:16:48.440 --> 00:17:05.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I just want to say Dr. To it, you are a one dynamic sister first and foremost, and I just so appreciate the work that you are doing in this area of mental health because there are not enough

00:17:05.210 --> 00:17:15.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of us who are practicing. So I I really just want to start the show by you. I can you what inspired you to do this work because it's not easy work.

00:17:16.109 --> 00:17:18.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so what inspired you?

00:17:19.410 --> 00:17:25.750 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: So my version of my own story, and recognizing what people didn't see

00:17:25.869 --> 00:17:30.480 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: in me. So it's really important to be the reflection that I needed to see.

00:17:30.730 --> 00:17:42.150 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and I had a lot of trauma growing up right, and so that trauma, like the legal tissue. and unfortunately, when I got into legal trouble, no one saw

00:17:42.170 --> 00:18:01.630 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: the trauma of the child. All that was witness was the crime, and so I knew, and I've always known even then that nursing health care, healing was always a part of my journey, and so I wasn't going to let a legal issue or any issues that me from

00:18:01.630 --> 00:18:08.880 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: returning and being able to heal my village, it actually made it more important. And so.

00:18:09.350 --> 00:18:10.850 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: 6 degrees later.

00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:23.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Here we are doing village work.

00:18:23.560 --> 00:18:34.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What did you hope that people would have recognized in you what what was some of the symptoms? Because I and i'm asking in particular, because I think, even in our community

00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:37.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we normalize trauma.

00:18:37.230 --> 00:18:43.580 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Okay, yeah. So what what is it that you wish people would have known? Yeah. I wish they would have known that

00:18:43.620 --> 00:18:47.230 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: time is not crime when it's resiliency and based out of survival

00:18:47.390 --> 00:18:54.710 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: right? And I think if someone would have looked at my why, Why is this child's industry? Why is this child, you know.

00:18:54.740 --> 00:19:08.370 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: being frank, telling Trump, Why is this child not just doing x, Y. And Z right? And I say, child, because I was a a teenager in the eyes of the law, you know. But nonetheless.

00:19:08.580 --> 00:19:13.540 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: when my story started and things that bad, I was 13. And so.

00:19:13.810 --> 00:19:15.900 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: you know, someone would have saw that perhaps

00:19:16.390 --> 00:19:22.160 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: it was really rooted in trauma, and that's the skills that I were doing. Using. Were resiliency

00:19:22.260 --> 00:19:25.900 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and strength as opposed to a problem.

00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.330 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I think that the compassion

00:19:29.210 --> 00:19:34.280 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and the understanding would have been different. But we're often received

00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.600 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: bye

00:19:35.710 --> 00:19:39.320 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: institutions that are built to

00:19:39.350 --> 00:19:49.960 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: break down and criminalize, as opposed to treat, heal, repair, and do good. So I wish that someone would. This all my strength.

00:19:50.010 --> 00:19:55.510 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: so of the things that I did, and why I did them, and what I did accomplish

00:19:55.610 --> 00:20:00.030 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: in the struggle as a quote to you, to this one bad thing, and therefore.

00:20:00.210 --> 00:20:04.580 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and and I have to say your record never goes away, and so.

00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:23.740 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: no matter what I I graduated at 6 degrees, I've I've been in the nursing career for over 20 years and for every degree that I've had. I've been kicked, not given up like a financial appeal. So it doesn't necessarily go away despite it. This, you know, things occurring 20 years ago. We have broken the system

00:20:23.800 --> 00:20:24.760 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: that

00:20:25.040 --> 00:20:40.320 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: say, we want you to do better, but create a vortex where it becomes very difficult. That's right. And so. But but really what I hear in your story for all those people out there who want to do something different is persistence and to keep trying.

00:20:40.320 --> 00:20:51.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But but what I but what I also hear because you're you're giving me flashbacks, because I used to work in a juvenile justice system where I saw more black and brown kids

00:20:51.780 --> 00:21:01.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: locked up. And I also worked at a psychiatric hospital where I saw more white kids so like there's a lot we can get into here. But you're making me think about

00:21:02.790 --> 00:21:07.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how it how important it was for for kids

00:21:07.590 --> 00:21:16.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to not just have a person who looked like them, but to have someone who was compassionate. Now, I was a no nonsense person.

00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:30.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They could just do anything that they wanted to, because you know, it's like to curse and do all this other stuff, and it was like no that with Dr. Gray. You can't, you know there's their boundaries now, now, if they were in the middle of a

00:21:30.710 --> 00:21:48.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: session, and something came out, but but they had boundaries with me, and then they respected that sometimes even more than the parents. But my thing, like you said was always like, Why is this kid behaving like this right? And so that's what I hear you saying is that get to the root

00:21:49.340 --> 00:22:00.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of understanding why the kid is doing what you're doing right. But but you're also saying something that's really critical to this word resiliency.

00:22:00.820 --> 00:22:10.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that the system is out there. So there was a reason why you were engaging in that activity survival.

00:22:10.950 --> 00:22:14.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So so this is. This goes well beyond just mental health.

00:22:15.330 --> 00:22:17.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right it goes.

00:22:17.620 --> 00:22:24.750 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: And and let me say that when I, when I got in trouble with the record. I was literally in my last semester of nursing school.

00:22:25.110 --> 00:22:28.810 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and was pulled out of class and told that I could not continue

00:22:28.970 --> 00:22:35.270 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: so even in a profession that should be more trauma informed. No questions right?

00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:43.980 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: And so again, you talk about 2 different systems who gets offered jail and you get offered support. Now, once

00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:45.460 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: what I offered

00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:50.300 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: therapy that was not like a

00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:56.250 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: an option like. Maybe we need to get this kid some help right? Also raising

00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.850 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: sibling, and as a child of their own. So not just, you know one person just

00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:11.130 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: out there like literally caring for others and and her family. So let me say that I applaud you. Dr. To it

00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:22.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I mean just like you're saying it, and you're just saying it in in a 30 s, Bill, but like. I applaud you and I and I. Actually I thank God for you, because for you

00:23:22.600 --> 00:23:28.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to to 6 degrees later. and to have to keep fighting the system. And I often say.

00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:40.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: if if we look at what an educated professional has to do to fight the system, think about the people who don't have what you have and what they are fighting every day.

00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:58.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I thank God that something was poured into you where you could see your light. And I wonder, Was there a person? Was there a person? Was there a professional at some point who reached out to you in in in things turn.

00:23:59.030 --> 00:24:06.820 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: probably really in the thick of the streets when I was about 13 years old, not going home running around, i'm doing the my. My mom

00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:11.230 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: had a best best friend, who was a nurse, my wife

00:24:11.570 --> 00:24:13.340 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and she had her own practice.

00:24:13.510 --> 00:24:20.580 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and in her practice she treated a lot of young children who were pregnant

00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:29.860 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: trauma. You name it, and she bought me to a practice in another state, and I worked with her, and when I tell you

00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:34.080 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I was like, what do you want me to do? And she said, you sit at that bedside

00:24:34.090 --> 00:24:46.680 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and you make them feel safe. You support them. And so my job was to basically tell them that they were beautiful, that they were strong, that they could do this, that they were powerful because a lot of times they were alone

00:24:47.110 --> 00:25:04.830 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: victims of trauma. So it gave me insight to say your story might be bad, but somebody can have it worse, and you can still support them, and your own trial, and so what it did, and I wish I would have said all my life, open up, and I went back home, and I never got in trouble again. No, I

00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:10.780 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and one day I knew I wasn't always going to be in the passenger seat, and I could take control.

00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.900 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and so, although I still went back to my life.

00:25:14.270 --> 00:25:15.610 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: another life

00:25:15.830 --> 00:25:25.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: was always in the back of my head. Yes, so all it takes is is just it, you know. Well, not all but planting that

00:25:25.990 --> 00:25:34.520 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: right. When I graduated as an Lpn. 10 months later, I went back to the very same block that I got arrested with and showed them my check.

00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.640 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: because brilliant

00:25:36.690 --> 00:25:43.250 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: it's filled in the hood.

00:25:43.300 --> 00:25:45.580 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: When I said I only went for 10 months.

00:25:45.590 --> 00:25:52.640 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I have this check, and I can now walk around with money, and the police can't arrest me or take it.

00:25:52.650 --> 00:25:59.960 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: So it's also going back and showing people like, hey, let me show you a different way, and you got some of these same skills and the same stories I do.

00:26:00.290 --> 00:26:18.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we don't have to keep doing xy and D. But I I I I love that. You're saying that, too, because what you're saying is, it's like, okay, you show you're modeling for them. But you said something critical that I guess, said on my show a few weeks ago, and I hope that my listeners keep hearing this. Is that word, opportunity.

00:26:18.450 --> 00:26:35.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and i'm actually going to have a a whole, another show with this individual, just to talk about the opportunity. Now some of us get opportunity, and we don't see the opportunity there we don't take advantage. But all too often in our communities we don't have the opportunities.

00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:38.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then that contributes even more

00:26:38.630 --> 00:26:43.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to like our apathy, our despair, our depression.

00:26:43.600 --> 00:26:51.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then again we start to normalize that right. But was there a person professionally like? Once you.

00:26:51.500 --> 00:27:09.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, started your journey. You're in school. You say you get you get arrested. Was there anybody then, as you were getting your degrees, Whose? Who Who sort of said, I'm going to help you walk through this, or here's where you can go. Did you ever have anybody who who was a mentors to you in that way.

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:25.650 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I would love to say that I did, but that is not the reality. You're You're You're in survival mode for a very long time, and so, as most of the people around you are just the fact that you got into a program.

00:27:26.230 --> 00:27:44.910 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: People are already looking at you as if we hold you to a higher standard, and we're looking to you to show us what to do. And there's not many of us on the other side to say, hey, this. Oh, I I was you before. Come here. Let me show you a different way, and and give you some light on this path, because

00:27:44.910 --> 00:27:47.490 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: you don't have to navigate it. Which is why I,

00:27:47.510 --> 00:27:58.520 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: it's so critical for us to infiltrate and be a part of every single system that is out there. Because if we are not a part of it, we will suffer, and if you can't be a part of it, create it.

00:27:59.150 --> 00:28:17.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I I love that, because here's the thing, and I love that. You say infiltrate, too, because here's the thing we all have to navigate this racist system that we have where it doesn't matter what color you are, we're all navigating the system, and it's helpful when you have somebody who can teach you how to navigate it. Now

00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we have to navigate it differently than white people do.

00:28:21.490 --> 00:28:42.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because the rules are also different from us, and I know that their listeners out there who will say, Well, how is it different? Well, we just told you we end up in the criminal justice system. White people end up in the psychiatric hospital. There was a crack epidemic. We didn't see the same sort of response as we see for this heroin epidemic. So just things like that

00:28:42.120 --> 00:28:44.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that allows us for that

00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:53.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: opens our eyes to things are different for us. That's why there needs to be somebody like you said, pulling us to the side.

00:28:53.040 --> 00:28:54.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: saying.

00:28:54.600 --> 00:29:12.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: No, no, Cadiz, you don't you do X, Y and Z. Because that's not gonna work the stuff you did over here in the street not gonna work over your You know we need those people, but we do have to take a quick break, and when we come back to to it I would love for you to kind of talk about.

00:29:12.570 --> 00:29:15.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What are some of the

00:29:16.070 --> 00:29:37.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: mental health disorders that you see most often in your practice, and I want to get into what are some of the treatments for it, and really just enlighten our folks on. When do you go and get help? When did? When does it become a parent that you need to get help. And this this isn't normal. So we're going to be right back to continue our discussion with Dr. To it.

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00:31:44.770 --> 00:32:01.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm. Back with my guest today, Dr. Khadija to it, who is a certified psychiatric mental health nurse, practitioner, and before the break we were talking a little bit about how you got into the treatment of folks who have mental health

00:32:01.690 --> 00:32:13.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: disorders in particular folks of color. So tell me, doctor, to it, what are some of the most common mental health disorders you see in your practice.

00:32:14.580 --> 00:32:17.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think you're muted. So

00:32:17.540 --> 00:32:18.310 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: got it.

00:32:18.540 --> 00:32:25.400 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Okay, so I I do see a lot of depression. I see a lot of anxiety. I see a lot of trauma.

00:32:26.010 --> 00:32:29.530 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I see a lot of undiagnosed Adhd.

00:32:29.590 --> 00:32:36.930 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: which I will say is a really big problem in our community, because it makes havoc

00:32:36.970 --> 00:32:39.640 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: when children become adults

00:32:39.810 --> 00:32:47.570 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: who have not been appropriately diagnosed, and I think that especially with this one diagnosis, people misconstrue intelligence

00:32:49.270 --> 00:33:01.980 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: with with, you know the symptoms and the diagnosis. And usually we say, I think you know that this person is struggling with it. It's like my person doesn't have any trouble learning, and it's like, yeah, they're They're brilliant, but they are struggling.

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:19.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You. Can. You just give some symptoms of and can you help the listening audience to understand? Because I love that you said, Well, they're learning, so can you help them to distinguish? When would be a good time to bring them in

00:33:19.860 --> 00:33:23.830 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: medication? A lot of people can be treated with the if your monitoring.

00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:37.560 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: But when it gets to the point where you're so inattentive, or distracted, or disorganized, or you can't get through your day, because your mind is so filled with thought that

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.800 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: it's overwhelming, and you don't even know where to start, and it's starting to affect your personal relationship.

00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:48.550 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: You're having social anxiety. Your work performance is is painting.

00:33:48.650 --> 00:34:01.970 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: It's taking you a long time to get things done, or no matter how hard you sleep, you wake up exhausted. because the reality is, your brain never really shut down.

00:34:01.980 --> 00:34:08.610 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: even though your body lay down. And so I think, when it gets, and that's for any diagnos

00:34:08.710 --> 00:34:10.880 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: this. This feels hard.

00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:15.320 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I'm sure your gut does not lie when you keep things.

00:34:15.389 --> 00:34:16.850 I wonder if

00:34:17.560 --> 00:34:23.380 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: do I have to suffer? Is this normal. That's a big thing. Is this normal?

00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:28.850 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: If you are asking yourself yourself who you know. if something is normal.

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:44.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's the time you should come and have a conversation. And unfortunately, what happens is people keep going through life as if this normal, and then all of a sudden, when it's gotten to the extreme. They're like oh, wait, you know. But but so I I

00:34:44.060 --> 00:34:54.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: appreciate you giving those Symptoms for adhd, and there's a similarity between what you're mentioning for adults with you. And so, when should a parent?

00:34:54.710 --> 00:35:07.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because we have, because we don't want our children on medication? So what advice would you give to parents who are saying, You know, my child, seems to be a little bit hyperactive or inattentive

00:35:07.970 --> 00:35:10.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or impulsive. Right, you know.

00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:21.190 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Talk to the parents out here about that first thing I want parents to know, because I think people also think addiction. I don't want, my child addicted. and I think when people think Adhd. The only thing that they think about is stimulant.

00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:24.860 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and there are many different treatment, options or adh.

00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:31.200 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: So that's one thing is that everything does not have to be a drug that's addicting, and it doesn't have to be forever.

00:35:31.290 --> 00:35:35.560 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: The other thing is that if you feel like, you know your baby.

00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:44.930 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and if your baby is struggling hard and you can see that they're trying their and it's causing them to. Now not well. Having the idea of self doubt.

00:35:45.040 --> 00:35:56.900 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: we don't want to have one problem become 2 or 3, and what usually happens is that when it's not treated internally, the child has to think that they are broken, and something is wrong with them.

00:35:57.020 --> 00:36:16.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you. Thank you for that. And then the other thing I think that we do Well, some parents I won't, say all. But sometimes parents will like you. Just get over there and sit down, or you're so there, so that we we're we're we're going with all patterns, right

00:36:16.460 --> 00:36:32.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of perhaps, how we were raised whatever, and not understanding like, Wait a minute. They're not sitting down because internally they're they're they're going crazy, right so. Oh, well, i'll let you respond to that, and then could, when you respond, Could you also address

00:36:32.550 --> 00:36:40.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the importance of schools identifying? Because I think sometimes we rebel when when the school is saying, hey, I'm having problems with get like

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:50.510 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: upset or attitude about it, so can you speak to that to your question. So there's a few things to, for there's medication, and there's also food. So a lot of people with

00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:54.990 decrease, sugary sugar, and not healthy food. And so if you're also

00:36:55.010 --> 00:37:02.280 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: giving that to your baby, a lot like this is all they need, or this is what they want. All the time alarms are going on.

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:19.010 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Okay, because they're craving the dopamine. They're looking for the sugar rush, and certain things will make it worse. Red dive. So, knowing a healthy diet is very important. Do we live in an environment where we can have access to healthy diet? That's a whole. Another situation, then, honestly.

00:37:19.250 --> 00:37:24.890 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: in school again. Yes, parents are going to be on guard, and I would say we should be on guard because

00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:35.030 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: a lot of times trauma and Adhd can manifest and overhold. And if someone is on the other side with doing that evaluation, and they are not aware.

00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:47.390 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and a certain dynamic. then a misdiagnosis can also a. And so I think that in these situations it's important to make sure that the person with evaluating you have

00:37:47.420 --> 00:37:59.620 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: a trusting relationship, because if you're right, I was going off. And you, Haven't said, I just want to learn more. Be encouraged to learn. Give the information just because someone is telling you doesn't mean you have to do

00:37:59.740 --> 00:38:02.240 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: anything? It means, Paul.

00:38:02.410 --> 00:38:07.180 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: absorb the information, find out about the resources, and then add that

00:38:07.610 --> 00:38:13.250 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: question. Yeah. inquisitive. Who? What? When, and where who can

00:38:13.660 --> 00:38:18.660 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: of population gets better? How many people need Medication versus Don't? Need medication.

00:38:18.810 --> 00:38:21.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? What are all of my treatment options?

00:38:22.640 --> 00:38:28.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I want to say something about that. All of my treatment options and the for medication versus non.

00:38:28.780 --> 00:38:47.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What folks have to also understand is the amount of work that they need to put in. So if you don't choose the medication, there are behavioral strategies that you can try, but you must be willing to do the work, and it takes a long time. It's not impossible.

00:38:48.330 --> 00:38:58.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But but folks need to understand that so just cause they may come to you when you say, hey? Well, we could maybe treat this with psychotherapy. Now you and I both know

00:38:58.930 --> 00:39:12.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that people don't always go home and do the things that we ask them to do with therapy, and as a parent I get it. I used to judge it before I became fair, but I I get why it's hard to follow through sometimes. But

00:39:12.930 --> 00:39:23.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so so we've talked about the Adhd. What about depression and anxiety? What does that look like? And again.

00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:36.950 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: you know, When should people kind of say. Well, maybe i'd better get help with it, or for the famous one. They are bipolar, so we could talk about that, too. They 1 min they happy. The next week they gotta have zoom, and that does not mean by phone.

00:39:36.950 --> 00:39:45.970 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Okay, that might be that they are emotionally as it's regulated and having a hard time managing the motion. But that does not mean by.

00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:47.760 you know depression, and I think

00:39:48.040 --> 00:40:02.840 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: when people say depression, I think oh, I don't feel that I get up and do what I need to do every day. But depression has many different manifestations. You can feel irritable. You can feel like kind of blunt it like I don't feel anything. I'm just kind of going through the motion.

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:11.640 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: You can have sleep problems sleeping too little, sleeping too much, having a hard time following a place, having a hard time staying this place.

00:40:11.660 --> 00:40:19.820 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Appetite is all over the place Sometimes you don't need all day. Sometimes you're binging at night. If you come with core focus

00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.830 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: for concentration, feeling distracted

00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:25.960 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: lot of different things.

00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.500 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: And for Bipolar you might have all of those.

00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:33.140 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: But then it might be severely intensified

00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:41.930 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: to the point where you're engaging in high risk behavior, spending money, more flirtatious, skilling, grandiose.

00:40:43.200 --> 00:40:50.830 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: hyper, sexual. You know, just doing things that your normal character would not do. And the big part is there's a sleep component.

00:40:50.940 --> 00:41:01.150 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: you might, you know, only need 2 to 3 h to sleep or go several days and feel like I can cat now, and I feel great. My energy is great.

00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.980 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: That's the morning side.

00:41:04.370 --> 00:41:07.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, yeah. So

00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what would you say then to

00:41:11.680 --> 00:41:28.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know all those, their people who've been dealing with that? And and and said, No, i'm not going to to do the medication. What would you say to them if they really need the medication? And they say.

00:41:28.820 --> 00:41:41.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I I I not because of addiction, but it could be a spiritual reason, or it could be. You know I can just do this by myself. What are some words that you would use to merge folks to really consider medication.

00:41:41.530 --> 00:41:45.370 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: So one thing I ask you, you've been doing this already. How is it working for you?

00:41:45.990 --> 00:41:55.400 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Okay? And then the reality is sometimes medication is just for reason in the season it doesn't have to be forever, and a lot of times when people are engaged in their

00:41:55.460 --> 00:42:07.800 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: it's, it's so hard to do the work because you feel so bad on the inside. You just lift the cloud a little bit, lift the loop, loop the weight that you can actually do the work

00:42:07.810 --> 00:42:17.840 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: right. Then we can start pulling back a little bit and seeing I do this with people all the time, You know. I'm like listening. You've been doing well how twice things have changed.

00:42:18.120 --> 00:42:20.890 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Let's see if they can do this. Drop down by a little bit.

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:28.850 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: One of the things will happen you're gonna be like that T. I still go fabulous. I can't even tell that you dropped, or you're gonna find no baby.

00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:35.010 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: That's not too good. I start to feel like I did before, and I don't want to go back there again, because i'm trying

00:42:35.330 --> 00:42:40.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: well. But see, see, the other thing is with the medication. What I what I love is that

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:52.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know it. It actually awakens you so that you can do the work and doing the work doesn't always feel good. So Dr. To it we're gonna have to take a break in just a second. But I have to ask you this question

00:42:53.040 --> 00:42:59.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because it's my bias, and I don't know if you share the same bias. But

00:42:59.430 --> 00:43:00.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know

00:43:00.830 --> 00:43:07.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as a therapist for me whenever I would send people to get you know, an evaluation.

00:43:08.140 --> 00:43:11.300 or say, you know, talk to your doctor about.

00:43:11.370 --> 00:43:13.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know psychotropics.

00:43:13.460 --> 00:43:32.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My preference was always to send them to someone who specialized in it, and not just their general practitioner. It's not that the general practitioner can't give them medication for Adhd or a depression or anything. But I always believe that someone

00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:39.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who specializes in this day in and day out, who could titrate the medicine? Who could do all these other things

00:43:40.130 --> 00:43:47.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that that you you specialize in this, and you're treating you. You treat other folks

00:43:47.680 --> 00:43:49.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with the disorder, so

00:43:49.990 --> 00:43:53.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: do you have a similar bias, or or tell me what you think about it.

00:43:54.100 --> 00:44:07.730 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: You got time, me one week. Well, you know what I I guess I should just wait to have to talk about it. We'll come back, and then I got hopefully. There are a couple of other questions we could get in before the but we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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00:46:12.980 --> 00:46:31.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back in our final segment. It goes so quickly, so Dr. To it before the break. I was asking you about the the your preference for people seeking help from someone like you who specializes versus going to their general practitioner for medication.

00:46:33.020 --> 00:46:34.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So you're muted.

00:46:36.390 --> 00:46:39.690 So general practitioners are their great partners

00:46:39.940 --> 00:46:50.490 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: because oftentimes they're the first line of defense. But what they're going to be able to do is very basic. And when I say basic, you're going to say, I feel depressed, I feel anxious. And they're going to pay. Here.

00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:53.080 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: take this anti- to Presidency if it gets better.

00:46:53.300 --> 00:47:08.110 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: The difference is it's like for me. And remember in the beginning, who's receiving you? Right? I wish somebody would have saw everything before, and not just what happened in that moment. The difference between someone who specializes the work. We're going to take a walk with you.

00:47:08.200 --> 00:47:11.580 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: We're going to talk about your only history genetic

00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:27.350 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: medical co-orbidities. We're going to talk about your childhood. You know all of the things that make you. You. You know what is your your your diet looking like? What is your lifestyle looking like, so that we have a really what are your family relationships like?

00:47:27.640 --> 00:47:38.970 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Because all of these things come into play when we decide what kind of treatment works best for you. So it's not just a blanket pick. It is actually something that is tailored

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:45.310 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: to you, your history, your family, your needs, so that we're really getting

00:47:45.470 --> 00:47:49.440 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: to the root of the problem and not just masking.

00:47:49.570 --> 00:47:57.310 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: So so a couple of other questions before we one. What are some of the barriers

00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:03.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to us coming in to get? What are some of the things that you you are seeing most often.

00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:07.880 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: so big things are one, this lack of access.

00:48:08.060 --> 00:48:10.480 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: And then, when there is access.

00:48:10.650 --> 00:48:14.470 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: the person that is not always received appropriately, especially

00:48:14.750 --> 00:48:15.920 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: when they look like.

00:48:16.190 --> 00:48:18.730 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and there are a lot of assumptions

00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:37.470 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: that people will have. You know this before someone is even before you. So you talked about your capstone, your your dissertation. My project was teaching providers to recognize their bias before someone even entered the room, and one thing I would do is, I would give them 3 names, you know, I would say Chad

00:48:37.470 --> 00:48:43.830 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Muhammad, and I know they have a visual, and I say your bias is already starting

00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:52.170 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: you. You know you've already decided who that person was. So I think that we have to be very, very careful, and we respectful

00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.730 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: the person who comes before us, because you might only have one shot.

00:48:55.900 --> 00:49:10.040 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: That person is not coming back. Then they're done that. I've seen the document before and moved to wolf. They didn't listen. I didn't feel hurt. They put me on something. It didn't work. They they they wouldn't listen when I said it didn't feel good, and I think one of them

00:49:10.190 --> 00:49:11.810 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: that I would never.

00:49:12.080 --> 00:49:32.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so what I hear you saying, though, for for people who are practitioners in particular. listen to what your clients are saying, and don't make assumptions. You know one of the things for me when I worked in an adjudicated system

00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:36.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I didn't read their files before I met them.

00:49:37.430 --> 00:49:43.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they, the the kids, would often assume that I read it. I said, No, I didn't read your file because I want to know about you.

00:49:44.620 --> 00:49:49.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right? Your perspective is quite different now. What's interesting is.

00:49:49.950 --> 00:50:06.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they would always make an assumption about me because they made an assumption that if i'm Dr. Currie that there's they. She must have come come with money, She she no she she doesn't understand she's an oriel actually had one kid to tell me i'm an oreo, and and then I had some.

00:50:07.140 --> 00:50:08.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, kind of get up.

00:50:08.790 --> 00:50:20.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: No, I was like you don't know anything about me, any of that, and then she was a little surprised, and then we we we connected, and we worked really well together. But

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:33.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what would you? What would you leave for our listening audience, particularly for people of color to come and to get help, you know. Are there any

00:50:33.350 --> 00:50:36.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: parting words that you'd like to say.

00:50:36.530 --> 00:50:42.430 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: yeah, it's for us to y'all like I'm gonna say that there's so many things that we'll say that we don't like it.

00:50:42.460 --> 00:50:46.770 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: Perfect example. This is our golf. Okay, we will the out

00:50:46.950 --> 00:51:00.180 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: just because you've never been invited to the club does not mean it's not for you. This is for you. We have a right to heal. We have a right to feel better. We have a right to have treatment that is tailored for us. We have a right to be received

00:51:00.230 --> 00:51:04.490 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: with respect and dignity, you know, and

00:51:04.830 --> 00:51:07.370 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: if you don't know. come, get an evaluation.

00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.000 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: I'm more than open to like. The goal is to heal the village and the goal.

00:51:15.090 --> 00:51:34.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What you're saying, because, especially with this being mental health, awareness month, I think all too often, we just simply will not go get the help because we use this much, or I'm a strong, especially women. I'm a strong black woman, or i'm a strong woman, but you don't have to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders.

00:51:34.690 --> 00:51:43.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Right? You can get help. There was a time we had to do some stuff, you know, not to. No, I I I would be remiss if I didn't ask you this question.

00:51:43.770 --> 00:51:55.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because i'm a pastor as well. I have to kind of talk about the spiritual bypassing that happens in our churches sometimes. So what can pastors do

00:51:55.240 --> 00:51:59.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to foster our people going to get the help that

00:51:59.910 --> 00:52:04.030 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: right back to the village. And so and this is why I work with a lot of based.

00:52:04.650 --> 00:52:09.290 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: because God has put us all here to help into a

00:52:09.410 --> 00:52:13.690 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: right, not just one. And what I need people to understand is that

00:52:14.600 --> 00:52:24.630 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: the faith based in based institutions have always been our hub. That's where we go to find peace to get support to be heard. And so, when someone is coming

00:52:24.820 --> 00:52:27.140 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: broken beyond what you can prepare.

00:52:28.110 --> 00:52:38.480 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: This is not a prayer thing. This is not a big thing. This is almost like letting someone who has a severe illness, telling them that they can just get it together and be better. It's a partnership.

00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:47.600 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: so know that you can hand off that person and have their fate remain intact. Their dignity remain in tech.

00:52:48.110 --> 00:53:02.310 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and they can start really healing without more self doubt, the more like i'm not praying hard enough. I'm not close enough to God. I'm not fasting enough, like I again plants more seeds of brokenness.

00:53:02.390 --> 00:53:04.540 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: and we need to to make

00:53:05.020 --> 00:53:09.000 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: people feel worse or struggle more

00:53:09.500 --> 00:53:22.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: actually call those wounds of religion. That's that's the term that I give because you're wounding that person some more, and I can. I I remember back in the day

00:53:22.310 --> 00:53:29.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when I first started this when I was an intern, and I was talking to this woman about medication for her child.

00:53:29.540 --> 00:53:40.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I don't believe in that, and blah blah blah blah blah I can heal me. I just let me tell you something, I said. I believe that i'm doing Guys work by being a therapist.

00:53:40.770 --> 00:53:54.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and God puts people here as instruments. You You go get medication for everything else right now. If it's not the right thing, then don't don't get it. So I love that you work with faith, base

00:53:55.140 --> 00:54:13.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: institutions, and and try to help us to understand more, Which again, i'm so glad that you came to our mental health Forum, and was one of the panelists because people were really engaged, and they were listening, and I could see that, you know, even sometimes when they look like they were given a blank stare they were processing.

00:54:13.910 --> 00:54:24.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But but I really appreciate what you're doing out in the world, and so tell people. How can we get in touch with you if they, if they want to

00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:39.670 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: receive services from you. Tell us a little bit about that

00:54:39.740 --> 00:54:48.560 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: at Intuit b h.com, and it's into it like I n t U. I T, which is my last name, because when you see me

00:54:48.690 --> 00:54:52.810 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: we are going to get into it. Okay.

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:58.460 Dr. Khadija Tuitt she/her: is is intuit d h.com I N. T. Y. T:

00:54:59.020 --> 00:55:13.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah, thank you for that, and we'll have that information as well. It's actually on a talk radio Nyc's website, so you can find it there. But I know that you create an

00:55:13.020 --> 00:55:29.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a safe space for people to come and to see you, so I do hope that people will be in touch with you. I want to thank you so much for this conversation, for your vulnerability and your realness with your story as well, because I think it inspires people, and

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:57.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what you have done is help people to see that there are people who look like them who can help as well, and even for the folks who don't look like us. You've also given people some questions that they need to ask. They can speak up and be advocates for themselves. So thank you so much for being here today. I appreciate you and thank you to my listeners today. I hope that you will go to the website again, and comment and ask your questions

00:55:57.860 --> 00:56:15.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you still might have about mental health, because we want to be sure that we get you the information that you need go to sacred intelligence.com to learn a little bit more about the work that I do as well with helping you to walk your sacred intelligence journey of faith.

00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:30.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam. Leave it with where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy may today you tap into that sacred part of you that allows you to make choices that manifest the good in you

00:56:30.620 --> 00:56:46.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and those around. You know that we are all one and exist because of one another. Make it a priority to share love, hope, compassion, and peace. Today be well be safe. Be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now