This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Author, Teacher, Host, Conference Organizer, Speaker, and Ceremonial Facilitator, Stephen Gray.
Stephen has been traveling spiritual and sacred medicine pathways for close to 50 years. He is a writer, educator, podcaster, psychedelic conference organizer, speaker, and cannabis ceremony leader. Stephen is the author/editor of three books, including the popular Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer’s Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally, and the brand-new book, How Psychedelics Can Help Save the World: Visionary and Indigenous Voices Speak Out.
For the past 10 years Stephen has been the creative director of the iconic Spirit Plant Medicine Conference in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Since 2020 Stephen has also been interviewing leading influencers in psychedelics and consciousness transformation for the StephenGray Vision YouTube channel and on podcast apps.
Join Sam and Stephen as they discuss how psychedelics can help save the world!
Sam kicks off his show by reading a section from his book Everyday Awakening entitled We Can Be Right Or Happy But Rarely Both. He tells his listeners what inspired him to write this piece. Sam says we don’t have to convince people of anything. Whether they believe the same thing or not doesn’t make a difference to how we feel. It is an inside job to work on being happy. Sam feels that the more we focus on our happiness and being in the present moment the less we have to fight about. You can find a copy of Sam’s book Everyday Awakening at EverydayAwakeningBook.com. Sam welcomes his guest author and teacher Stephen Gray. Sam asks Stephen what made him write the book Psychedelics Can Help Save The World. Stephen talks about the 25 contributors who helped write introductions, conclusions, and other chapters.
Stephen and Sam discuss some of the 25 contributors to the book. Stephen explains that he had so many people help with the book because he wanted a wide variety of voices. He tells Sam how he got the opportunity to get these great scholars to write for the book. Sam asks Stephen if while he was putting the story together if he was surprised by any of them. Stephen talks about a writer who had a different perspective on psychedelics that opened his mind. Sam and Stephen discuss transformation and how embodiment plays a major role. Sam encourages his listeners to leave questions and comments in the youtube chat.
Sam asks Stephen how psychedelics can help save the world. Stephen explains that it is not the end all be all but psychedelics can be useful tools when your mental health has been severely damaged. He also discusses how psychedelic medication can help with depression. These medications are like mirrors they help you see where you are at. Stephen calls it truth serum. He tells Sam the purpose of his book Psychedelics Can Help Save The World and why it would be good for his listeners. Sam points out the chapter about the birth of future humans. It made him think of the analogy of the caterpillar who would ravenously eat everything in sight before going into his cocoon. Where their own body destroys itself to then turn into a butterfly. Sam connects that to the human species and where we are today. Sam and Stephen discuss the materials we use that damage our planet and how we need to be better as a society.
Sam asks Stephen another question referring to his title- why does the world need saving? Sam says psychedelics are getting a lot of press for their healing aspect but we should talk more about their spiritual aspect. It is all connected. We have to do the inner healing work if we want to see progress. The healing work is all connected to spiritual work. Stephen explains that when people take these medications they have a sense of connection to the earth which will incentivize them to make better choices. If you would like to learn more about Stephen Gray, you can find him at StephenGrayvision.com. You can also find him on social media at Stephen Gray.
00:00:35.900 --> 00:00:50.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good afternoon, my conscious co-creators. Welcome to another edition of that conscious consultant hour. Awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today.
00:00:51.070 --> 00:00:53.490 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hmm. Getting some weird static there
00:00:53.720 --> 00:01:04.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: before I begin the show. Just I want to give a quick shout out to all of my dear friends sole family, sisters and brothers from the evolutionary business Council. We I was at the
00:01:04.980 --> 00:01:18.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: annual retreat this past weekend in San Diego, and it was so good to see everybody, many dear friends who have had on the show in the past. People like Teresa de Grabois, Jennifer Huff.
00:01:20.210 --> 00:01:25.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and after 3 years of purely meeting, virtually to finally meet in person. It was
00:01:25.740 --> 00:01:46.929 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a real treat for me, and I just really want to give a big shout out to the organization. So thank you all for tuning in today. I've got an amazing wonderful guess that i'm really excited to bring on. But first, of course, let me start off with my little quote from, or little section of my book.
00:01:46.940 --> 00:01:48.379 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Everyday Awakening.
00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:50.939 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and this section is called.
00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:55.149 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can be right or happy, but rarely both.
00:01:55.820 --> 00:02:03.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We never really win an argument, no matter how hard we try to convince the other person that they are wrong.
00:02:03.220 --> 00:02:05.520 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: they only dig in their heels.
00:02:05.600 --> 00:02:10.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If anything, they will only be more convinced they are right.
00:02:10.930 --> 00:02:17.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and if by some miracle we do get them to concede that we are right and they are wrong.
00:02:17.950 --> 00:02:20.330 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They will remain angry at us.
00:02:20.620 --> 00:02:25.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we lose, we lose. If we win, we lose.
00:02:26.660 --> 00:02:29.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: perhaps because we are playing the wrong game.
00:02:30.550 --> 00:02:34.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe what we should be concerned with is not winning.
00:02:34.940 --> 00:02:36.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but being happy.
00:02:37.150 --> 00:02:42.759 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the old adage is, You can be right or you can be happy, but rarely both.
00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:52.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: If we change our focus from winning to being happy, we can play a totally different game and play in a totally different way.
00:02:53.090 --> 00:02:59.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because now it is not about the end result, but about how we play
00:02:59.390 --> 00:03:07.400 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we give up our need to be right and focus on our desire to be happy, we can joyfully skip down the road.
00:03:07.450 --> 00:03:12.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We can let others have whatever ever opinions they want to have.
00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: As long as we're happy. Who cares
00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:22.179 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: being in a joyful place, will cause others to wonder. Why are we so happy?
00:03:22.550 --> 00:03:31.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Maybe then we can start a movement, and they will also give up the need to be right and focus on being happy instead.
00:03:32.090 --> 00:03:35.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That is how we all can win.
00:03:35.550 --> 00:03:44.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So let's stop playing the Win-loos type of game and learn to play more win-win games after all.
00:03:44.340 --> 00:03:46.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: aren't they much more fun.
00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:49.010 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So
00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:56.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know this section of the book I wrote, and and and we've all heard it a 1,000,001 times over and over again
00:03:56.840 --> 00:04:01.650 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: about being right versus being happy. And and it just
00:04:01.880 --> 00:04:09.850 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it was reflecting on it, and I I felt the need to share it again, even though it's it's been talked about so frequently.
00:04:10.390 --> 00:04:12.979 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But still I find people who they
00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:25.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: They come to me, and they having a a problem talking with a friend or family member. And and it's like they just so want to be right. They still want to convince the other person that they're right, and they're and the other person is wrong.
00:04:25.830 --> 00:04:30.999 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I keep trying to bring them back. I'm like is it making you happy
00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:34.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if it ain't making you happy. Why are you doing it?
00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:39.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I was like, Look, we don't have to convince anybody else of anything.
00:04:39.950 --> 00:04:45.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: whether they believe the same thing we do or not. It makes no difference to how we feel.
00:04:46.590 --> 00:04:51.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It is purely an inside job for us to work on feeling happy.
00:04:52.080 --> 00:04:57.040 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we don't need to convince anybody else of anything in order for us to be happy.
00:04:57.760 --> 00:05:01.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's actually our natural state of being.
00:05:02.050 --> 00:05:13.029 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and in that case we don't need to do anything. It's just about learning to tap into it and learning to be an alignment with that natural state.
00:05:14.400 --> 00:05:17.739 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I just felt it was important to
00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:22.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: bring that
00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:26.139 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: awareness back. Bring the conversation back to this idea
00:05:27.370 --> 00:05:36.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of being happy and not worrying about being right, because especially in today's world, where we're so divided and everything so polarized.
00:05:37.380 --> 00:05:39.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just kind of feel that
00:05:39.610 --> 00:05:42.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: when we're focused more on
00:05:43.950 --> 00:05:50.719 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just following our bliss and our joy and learning to be happy of where we are in the present moment.
00:05:52.470 --> 00:05:56.969 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that then there's less for us to fight about, less for us to argue about
00:05:57.230 --> 00:06:00.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: less for us to convince other people about
00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:20.470 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it. It just makes life all that much easier, anyway. I'm not going to go on about it because I could go on for a long time. But I really want to bring on my guest. That's the section from my book, Everyday Awakening, which, Of course you can firstname.lastname@example.org, and the title is: we can be right or happy, but rarely both.
00:06:20.590 --> 00:06:21.630 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right.
00:06:22.250 --> 00:06:27.440 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Now it is my extreme pleasure to bring on to the show
00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:57.429 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: author, teacher, host, conference, organizer, speaker, and ceremonial facilitator, Stephen Gray Steven has been traveling spiritual and sacred medicine pathways for close to 50 years. He's not a beginner at this. He's a writer, educator, podcaster psychedelic conference, organizer, speaker, and cannabis ceremonial leader steven is the author and editor of 3 books, including the Popular Cannabis and Spirituality and Explorers Guide to the Ancient Plant, Medicine
00:06:57.440 --> 00:06:58.950 and Ally.
00:06:59.010 --> 00:07:13.190 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Ancient Plant Spirit Ally in the brand new book. How psychedelics can help save the world! Visionary and indigenous voices Speak out which I have right here, and we're going to be talking all about that today, and for the past 10 years Steven is being
00:07:13.200 --> 00:07:35.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the creative director of the Iconic Spirit Plant Medicine Conference in Vancouver, Canada. Since 2,020. Steven has been interviewing leading influencers in psychedelics and consciousness transformation for the Stephen Gray Vision, the Youtube Channel, and on all the various podcasting Apps and Steven, it is a pleasure to welcome you to the conscious consultant hour.
00:07:35.960 --> 00:07:38.320 Stephen Gray: Well, thanks; I am happy to do this with you.
00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:46.880 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: My pleasure to have you here, so I guess I just want to start off. I've I've been reading the book, and and
00:07:46.890 --> 00:08:06.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: i'm just curious. Why did you decide to put this book together, and I and I should also point out that this book it it's it's not just your writings, but it's a whole bunch of different elders and and visionaries who've all contributed their voices to this book. What was it that kind of got you to feel like?
00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:12.199 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I? I need to put together a book like this. Yeah. Good question, and thank you for asking it.
00:08:12.210 --> 00:08:28.600 Stephen Gray: And yes, there are 25 contributors by the way. And I only wrote an intro and a conclusion, and another chapter that I mostly wrote. And then I gathered some quotes together in another chapter, so it's mostly the other. The 25 contributors.
00:08:28.610 --> 00:08:47.419 Stephen Gray: Well, you know as the as your bio that you read about me indicated. I've been around this kind of work for a long time been involved in spiritual practices, and so on. You know, since I was in my, you know, maybe 20 or something like that, and it's increasingly dawned on me. I suppose in recent years
00:08:47.430 --> 00:09:06.450 Stephen Gray: I've that we have reached a a nexus point. You might say a crisis point on the planet that's been coming for a long time, Chris Bish, who I specifically put in as the first chapter after the Intro. In the book. You know we could spend a whole hour just talking about
00:09:06.460 --> 00:09:18.409 Stephen Gray: Chris's experience, but maybe I should just give a sort of like a hopefully about a 1 min background on him. He's a retired professor of religious studies and philosophy from Ohio State University.
00:09:18.420 --> 00:09:38.109 Stephen Gray: who undertook a 20 year what turned out to be a 20 year journey following the Stan Stanislav Graph protocol for how to do private. You know inward journeys with Lsd. And he did that 20 times over this. Pardon me 73 times over this 20 year period on high dose. Yeah.
00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:53.420 Stephen Gray: yeah. And in every one of those, according to his own account, he broke through. You know all the ego death stuff, even species, ego death stages, and broke out into what he as variously called the vast intelligences of the universe.
00:09:53.480 --> 00:10:02.169 Stephen Gray: And many amazing things happen, but especially for the purposes of our conversation. The last third or so of those 20 years
00:10:02.220 --> 00:10:11.970 Stephen Gray: he started to receive increasingly focused messages from these intelligences that we are entering into a death and rebirth cycle as a species.
00:10:11.980 --> 00:10:26.119 Stephen Gray: and that hundreds of thousands of years of developments of various kind and karmic development, and so on, have reached that point now, and so it behooves as many people as possibly can to pay attention to that.
00:10:26.130 --> 00:10:35.189 Stephen Gray: and to wake up to what I forget what term you called it. I like to call it our true nature a natural self. You called it in your intro there.
00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:46.549 Stephen Gray: and participate in that healing and that transformation. So that's been dawning on me increasingly over the last few years. And as you mentioned, I've been involved with this conference.
00:10:46.560 --> 00:11:01.320 Stephen Gray: and so you know it's it's all focused in that sort of general area, that's all. I'm kind of like the more like the vision person for the conference. And I I find speakers, and so on. And for me.
00:11:01.670 --> 00:11:13.200 Stephen Gray: anything to do with psychedelics is most useful when it's. Somehow, not every speaker has to be focused on this bigger picture. But at least some of the speakers need to be
00:11:13.210 --> 00:11:28.249 Stephen Gray: fully aware of, and in some fashion, directly or indirectly addressing this central issue for humankind. In fact, our subtitle for this past year's conference was the role of psychedelics for a planet in transition.
00:11:28.260 --> 00:11:55.279 Stephen Gray: So so that's you know I've been moving in that direction for quite a while, and and I, and as far as like 14 of the 25 contributors are people who have spoken at the conference, so I already knew a lot of these people, and so it wasn't that hard to gather them together. Yeah. So I just thought, Well, you know, I already have this kind of head start with these connections with so many people over these last. Well, now, it's almost 12 years.
00:11:55.290 --> 00:12:04.479 Stephen Gray: This will be our twelfth, actually 13 years, but 12 conferences we missed here in the pandemic. And
00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:08.980 Stephen Gray: so yeah, so it wasn't that much of a stretch to, you know, hey?
00:12:09.170 --> 00:12:19.610 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So and so would you like to contribute to this book? Here's the mission, and I i'm curious with the conference. How many people attended the first year, and how many attended last year.
00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:31.189 Stephen Gray: Oh, yeah, good question. Well, it started small. It's it's it's started small. I think there was only like 70 to 75 people the first year, and then it gradually grew.
00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:41.159 Stephen Gray: and then we made a big jump in 2,018, where we moved into a bigger room because we'd outgrown the smaller room. It's all always been at the University of British Columbia.
00:12:41.470 --> 00:13:00.070 Stephen Gray: and we moved into this much, much larger room and expanded a lot. We got to. I I always have a partner doing this with me, and that person gets to do all the stuff I hate doing particularly. I don't hate. But you know, like the the ticketing, the social media, all those kinds of things.
00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:13.879 Stephen Gray: And so the guy that stepped in in 2,018 up the level quite a bit. So we went up from about the year before that I think we only had about 250, and then the next year in the big room
00:13:13.890 --> 00:13:32.309 Stephen Gray: we jumped up to about 500, and then in 2,019 up to pardon me, 400 or so no 500, and then closer to 62019. And this year it was down a little for a number of reasons that I don't want to bore your audience with it, I mean with the pandemic and things going virtual and stuff. Of course it's.
00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:41.869 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's a a little a little different all all conferences. The attendance is a little different, but I I just wanted to get the the sense of like.
00:13:42.380 --> 00:14:00.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: kinda the the level of interest, and how many people are now focused on this? Because 12 years ago, 13 years ago, people weren't talking about it that much, but over the let, especially since Michael Pollen's book. I think I think you're gonna change your mind like really
00:14:00.090 --> 00:14:29.220 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: open up the conversation in a much bigger way, and I remember I go to the Horizons Conference, which is here in New York City. I'm aware of it, and and I remember, you know, one year going and like it was mobbed, and I was like, how come there so many people this year? And they were like, oh, of course, Michael Pollen and he was like, and they were like, yeah, we call all these new people pollinators. I've been around the for a moment, and when we come back
00:14:29.230 --> 00:14:50.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I want to ask you about some of the different contributors, and why you selected so you already mentioned. You know many of them were were speakers at the conference, but but but a lot of them talk about psychedelics in the world from different angles and different perspectives. So i'm just curious sort of what went into that sort of selection process.
00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:53.610 Stephen Gray: Sure. Okay. So everybody
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00:17:43.690 --> 00:18:03.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consult now are weakening humanity. We're speaking this hour with author and editor, Stephen Gray, of the book. How psychedelics can help save the world! So, Steven, a as you mentioned, you have 25 contributors to the book you mentioned. Oops.
00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:11.340 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Chris Bish, the zoe Helene Dwayne Elgin.
00:18:11.550 --> 00:18:19.049 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I'm. I'm just pulling out some of them grandmother, Maria Alice Campos.
00:18:19.530 --> 00:18:33.770 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Martina Hoffman, I I mean way. Davis is a Phd. I I mean just so many different people, and and really
00:18:33.780 --> 00:18:40.099 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: who touch upon psychedelics and different things from from a lot of different angles. And so I'm. Just curious
00:18:40.410 --> 00:18:52.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Why, you have such a wide variety of contributors, a wide variety of perspectives on this. You know. What were you really trying to achieve by bringing all these very diverse people together?
00:18:52.760 --> 00:19:00.649 Stephen Gray: Well, I think you pretty much said it. I wanted a wide variety of voices. Excuse me, I wanted to make sure that I mean I feel that
00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:15.700 Stephen Gray: it kind of goes without saying almost, that voices of women very important. So I tried my best to you. Get as many female, you know, visionaries, etc., as possible.
00:19:16.280 --> 00:19:31.710 Stephen Gray: I I've always I've long felt that indigenous understanding is essential for finding our way forward and reconnecting to balance on the planet. And so I sought out people like that, and I just asked other people like
00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:44.109 Stephen Gray: Eilton Cranach, for example, he's indigenous kronaki from Brazil. It's a small disappearing tri, but he's become a major spokesman who's spoken at the the Parliament there, or whatever they call it, in Brazil, and
00:19:44.120 --> 00:19:57.350 Stephen Gray: that kind of thing. And I was told about him by Jeremy Narbe, who I've had contact with. He's spoken at our conference a couple of times. He's the author of DNA and the Cosmic Serpent, and a couple of other really interesting books
00:19:57.360 --> 00:20:11.149 Stephen Gray: he didn't. He was too busy with another book to accept my invitation to write for the book, but I said I was looking for people from indigenous backgrounds, and I know he spent a lot of time in South America. So he said, oh, try Ailton Krenack.
00:20:11.350 --> 00:20:27.129 Stephen Gray: and similarly with Grandmother Maria Elysee Campos freer she's. One of the International Council of the 13 indigenous grandmothers, and I have a lot of respect for what they've been up to. And then some of the native Americans, like Belinda are Aracho
00:20:27.140 --> 00:20:56.340 Stephen Gray: people like that. So so one of that kind of oh, and what one of my favorite people I I don't know if you got as far as reading his chapter. But i'm completely over the moon about this guy. Tyson, Yanka Porta. He's a he's a Australian aboriginal, and he straddles different worlds. He's an academic researcher, but also a a wood carver, and his deep involvement in connections with his traditional people of Australia.
00:20:56.530 --> 00:21:02.800 Stephen Gray: And he has a wonderful perspective. He has a remarkable book, too, in my opinion, called Sand Talk.
00:21:02.850 --> 00:21:14.979 Stephen Gray: Yeah, so just. And and as I said earlier, I know a lot of these people already from the conference. Chris Beach has spoken at it 3 times. Dennis Mckenna has spoken at it 3 or 4 times.
00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:28.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wade Davis has spoken there a couple of times, and he lives nearby, and so that that's always helpful for some relationship with Wade. Yeah, let let me ask you in in putting together all these stories.
00:21:29.030 --> 00:21:45.909 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Was there any one that surprised you? I mean, given that you've been so steeped in this culture for so many years. Was there anything that for you personally was surprising? Or did you kind of already have a sense of of what everyone was contributing, going to be contributing about
00:21:46.420 --> 00:22:04.419 Stephen Gray: well, more or less, the one that jumps out is this same to Tyson Yanka Porta, because, although I had read the book, so I did know where he was coming from. To some degree he has a a very different perspective than many of the other people on the use of psychedelics.
00:22:04.430 --> 00:22:26.830 Stephen Gray: He! I don't know how you know how, how how much detail I should go into here. But to to make it clear, he he he talked about it, and I think it's in the chapter. It's. Sometimes I forget whether it's the book, the chapter, or the interview I did with him on my Youtube Channel. He talked about doing a San Pedro. That's what Schuma also. Hey? What? Schuma?
00:22:26.840 --> 00:22:41.609 Stephen Gray: A huge dosage, I guess, or it lasted 12 h, anyway, and he said it was about 15 years ago, and he said he got so much information from that from that one experience that he didn't feel like he ever needed to repeat it.
00:22:41.630 --> 00:22:49.949 Stephen Gray: and like, for example, in his books and talk, there are these little visual symbols that he puts in at the beginning of sections, and so on.
00:22:49.970 --> 00:22:51.130 Stephen Gray: He says that
00:22:51.420 --> 00:23:05.710 Stephen Gray: he saw those in that journey, and then, years later, was taught those same symbols by an elder and a wisdom carrier those same symbols that he had envisioned.
00:23:05.900 --> 00:23:24.209 Stephen Gray: You know. I anticipating this for some reason, intuitively, perhaps I actually brought up my little chapter synopsis thing here, and i'd like to read you really quickly. A couple of quick quotes from him. This is the opening line, his chapter before your trip. Some information
00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:38.550 Stephen Gray: we need to know how we got here before we go an inch further. We need to understand the rock beneath our feet before we go charging off to commune with the cosmos and orgasm across galaxies and all our transcendent splendor.
00:23:38.800 --> 00:23:55.980 Stephen Gray: And then there's another real short one, if I may, Sam, that that I think is important. He says a lot of people today are tripping balls once a week, but they aren't in right relation and are stuck in an ecstatic loop of entropy. They have no tether to a place, no kin.
00:23:55.990 --> 00:24:11.849 Stephen Gray: and the no purpose for the work, so no work is delegated to them. So I I that was. If you you ask, you know what was surprising from some of these people, i'd say that was a little surprising, because he's actually cautioning against
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:23.539 Stephen Gray: you know a lot of repeated use of, so to speak. And if you you know, basically says if you didn't really get it, if you didn't do it right the first time and get it. Then
00:24:23.550 --> 00:24:46.089 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: just going back and repeating something vaguely similar. Isn't necessarily going to, you know, change your life or anybody else's, and and i'm so glad you brought up that topic, because it's a topic near and dear to my heart, which for me it's all about the integration. Like everybody, it's. It seems to me that many people, not everyone, many people, are chasing the big experience right. But
00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:52.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if we don't, take that big experience, and then apply it to our day to day lives and use it to really change
00:24:52.760 --> 00:25:12.319 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: how we show up in the world, then it's really a look the missed opportunity. I mean we might change a little bit. But I I I really feel the gold is in the journey after the journey. It's how are we living our life? How are we applying these deep insights and these deep feelings that we had during ceremony, and really
00:25:12.330 --> 00:25:17.459 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: applying it to how we show up in the world, and what we do when we show up in the world
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:29.670 Stephen Gray: absolutely. You know this is important. Now for sure, you know. Well, for example, let's say, let's let's take a generous suggestion and say that you do ayahuasca, or something like that once a month
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:46.660 Stephen Gray: we're not going to like a 5 or 6 h journey. Right? So we're talking about a total of 30 h. How many hours are there in a year? So this is like, you know, point 0 0 one of your year and the rest of the time, as you say you have to do the walk. So that's where the real work is. And
00:25:46.680 --> 00:26:06.270 Stephen Gray: and so these these are in a sense visits, you know, Tom, the the novelist, Tom Robbins once said in an interview years after he'd sort of finished, you know, sort of seriously working with Lsd and in his life and so on. Somebody said, do you still do, Lsd? And he said, yeah, once a year for a reality check, you know.
00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:17.949 Stephen Gray: So so you know, they have the potential value of showing you this larger what I would call as a Buddhist kind of a term unconditioned or unconditional reality.
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:37.810 Stephen Gray: reminding you of that, and that can be a change, a a major change factor in a person's life. But then we have all these things that are so deeply embedded in our. You know the the ego that we've been putting together since the day we were born, and you know, most likely, for quite a few lifetimes before that, in a certain respect as well.
00:26:37.820 --> 00:26:51.529 Stephen Gray: we would put together this self identity which Buddhist teachings, you know, referred to as an illusion that we are separate that way, etc., etc., the illusion of the separate self, but it we are so strongly identified with it.
00:26:51.550 --> 00:27:05.330 Stephen Gray: It's so much our sense of you know, kind of comfort, safety, coping, etc., that undoing it is really a lifetime's work, if not several lifetimes. And so that's where your integration comment is quite important.
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:13.749 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Right? Absolutely absolutely. And and and I actually loved the passage that you read earlier that
00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:26.669 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know it's kind of almost about the grounding it. It's sort of like when we're too much up in spirit. We're ungrounded. We actually can't fly that high. We fly a little bit above.
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:41.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But what I find is, the deeper our roots are the more grounded we are. Then the higher the branches of the tree can go. Absolutely. Yeah. But if our our roots are shallow, the trees is gonna get knocked over very easily.
00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:47.629 Stephen Gray: Yeah. Well, I in my view, and certainly not my own. Just mine by any stretch. Of course
00:27:47.790 --> 00:28:00.619 Stephen Gray: a a a major part of the of the transformation, if you will, is embodiment embodying in a. I think it was in the Cannabis book. I can't remember where I quoted it. The
00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:12.389 Stephen Gray: a French philosopher, priest, mystic poet, Whatever Pr. Tyhard to Shardiah, said something, I I don't know if I got the exact words, but i'm sure I got the gist of it Here, he said.
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:18.350 Stephen Gray: a physical energy must be mastered for spiritual energy to manifest it.
00:28:18.390 --> 00:28:24.690 Stephen Gray: and and and, by the way, so to speak, not quite, by the way it's actually central to it.
00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:39.069 Stephen Gray: I think Cannabis has a really important role to play, and that's why you asked earlier about you know what kind of variety. I wanted some people to speak of cannabis. I got a couple in there, thank Duchess and Minnelli a Aostasio costa
00:28:40.150 --> 00:28:49.489 Stephen Gray: cannabis, when understood I think what I would call properly as a spiritual ally, as a spiritual medicine that deserves great respect, and actually can be quite
00:28:49.530 --> 00:29:04.420 Stephen Gray: an advanced spiritual medicine, in the sense that it's tricky to really know how to work with it. Best abilities has an important role to play all in all this, because it can open us up to land on what what is teaching sometimes call what is.
00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:21.569 Stephen Gray: without all that going off into space, although that can happen sometimes with stronger doses, edibles, etc., but for the most part it's about embodiment about coming back grounding oneself, you know you know the but there's a lovely story from attributed to the Buddha, where.
00:29:21.590 --> 00:29:30.549 Stephen Gray: supposedly after his enlightenment, someone said, how do you know you're enlightened? And he put his palm on the ground and said, this solid earth is my witness.
00:29:30.810 --> 00:29:40.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Beautiful, beautiful! All right. It it's time. First take our next break when we come back. I actually want you to answer the question.
00:29:41.810 --> 00:30:11.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: How can psychedelics help us save the world? Okay. So we're going to dive right into it. So everyone please stay tuned. And of course, if you're listening, live, or you're on the the Youtube Channel, youtube.com slash, talking alternative, Feel free to post your questions and your comments. There we'll get to them all. I I see Paddy's pretty active on it. But let us know what your questions are. So you're listening to the conscious consult now are weakening humanity. We're talking this hour with Stephen Gray, editor of the
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00:32:22.290 --> 00:32:29.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, Steven, let's get into it. The the title of the book is how psychedelics can help save the world.
00:32:29.590 --> 00:32:30.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So how can they?
00:32:31.490 --> 00:32:50.969 Stephen Gray: Yes, Well, it's a it's an excellent question, of course. First of all, there's 2 little words in the title that are married to each other, and an essential to it, and that is, can help. If the title was just how psychedelics can save the world. That would be a little too much, you know, can help
00:32:50.980 --> 00:33:08.680 Stephen Gray: mit ctl and participate. In other words, they're not to be all in the end all in some sense, the way I like to think of them in a general sense for starters is that when the when the the illness is reached an advanced level, you need oftentimes strong medicines, 250.
00:33:08.690 --> 00:33:14.080 Stephen Gray: So it's unarguable that the psychedelics are strong medicines. They are
00:33:14.100 --> 00:33:33.009 Stephen Gray: arguably, when understood properly, and that, of course, is key in the right hands. You know from both sides. You know whether it be guide, sitters, ceremonial leaders, or participants, etc. They are certainly our most potent 2 tools that we have access to.
00:33:33.020 --> 00:33:39.960 Stephen Gray: So they're really important right now. For that reason I like to think that.
00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:49.160 Stephen Gray: or I like to think of psychedelics, As you know, this is perhaps oversimplified to some degree, but it might hopefully be applicable
00:33:49.190 --> 00:34:01.440 Stephen Gray: as having 2 interrelated functions, or approaches, or angles, or whatever one of them is that you could simply say it's a truth serum. They are truth serums, and they are
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:15.169 Stephen Gray: being used a lot for healing these days, and you know. But and it's like you. You're looking you. You see yourself. In a sense, you know I I I keep hearing that from people. I just you see what, Dr. Dominique go ahead.
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:26.219 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I was just gonna say one of the things that I I hear a lot is especially the first couple of times you you sit with different plant medicines. They show you where you are at, right?
00:34:26.370 --> 00:34:37.740 Stephen Gray: Yeah. So I just interviewed Dr. Dor Dominique Morrisano recently. She's a a psychotherapist who works with Ketamine a lot, and she said.
00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:51.110 Stephen Gray: it's it's it's turning out to be excellent for for depression, and also for substance dependencies. And she says a couple of sessions and people see themselves, and they see what they're doing, and they want to change that
00:34:51.120 --> 00:35:05.809 Stephen Gray: erez agmoni. I I spent about a dozen years as a frequent participant in native American church, peyote prayer, ceremonies, that religion is legal in the United States for native people, and in particular 150.
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:20.889 Stephen Gray: And why is that in a country that has been deathly afraid of mind, altering substances, psychedelics, and so on. You know. Why is that? It is because they were able to make a case to the United States Congress
00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:38.009 Stephen Gray: mit Ctl, and that people suffering from drug and alcohol abuse and all kinds of other problems come into that Tp: They take that medicine in this incredibly powerful and safe container, and they see themselves, and they see that if they continue on that path they're heading for, you know, 150
00:35:38.020 --> 00:35:49.289 Stephen Gray: destruction. Yeah. And so they they change. So these medicines bring in that truth serum quality. They bring in that that oftentimes that connection to the heart
00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:58.249 Stephen Gray: and the other side of that that I was mentioning, or it's hardly another side. But it's kind of a concomitant, you know component of that is.
00:35:58.290 --> 00:36:04.429 Stephen Gray: they also potentially again, when they're understood and used properly.
00:36:04.450 --> 00:36:07.750 Stephen Gray: invite you one into
00:36:07.770 --> 00:36:17.770 Stephen Gray: a world that seems more real. That's like the ultimate kind of encompassing reality. This is what people found in the
00:36:18.010 --> 00:36:29.350 Stephen Gray: in the the Johns Hopkins studies, where they the end of life patients with with psilocybin. I think
00:36:29.530 --> 00:36:45.520 Stephen Gray: many people had mystical experiences, and the ones that had what you might call the most mystical experiences were the ones who changed their life the most, and their attitude about being sick so like they found out that when they went into these space, this, this, this space with the mushroom
00:36:45.660 --> 00:37:13.890 Stephen Gray: that they were in this living, divine, eternal, loving cosmos, and they are part of it. And in a sense there's nowhere else to go. So you're safe to matter what, on some level. It's obviously hard to explain to someone who Hasn't experienced it that it ease their minds dramatically, so that they decide. Well, if I've got 6 months or a year. I'm just going to live it. Well, i'm going to treat my family well. I'm going to treat myself well, you know, etc. Right?
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:32.990 Stephen Gray: I was just gonna say that is essentially the a simple version of our an answer to how I think these plants and substances can help, you know, change or transform the consciousness of enough people that it can influence everybody else as well. I've I've heard it said that
00:37:33.560 --> 00:37:35.240 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that
00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:55.480 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: because I'm. I'm. A member of an organization of transformational thought leaders. I mentioned at the beginning of the show the Evolutionary Business Council and the goal of the evolutionary business council is to empower 1,200 thought leaders to reach a 1 million people a piece, so that we collectively reach 1.2 billionpeople around the planet, which is roughly 15%,
00:37:55.490 --> 00:38:08.080 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: which many people have said is the tipping point for consciousness that when 15% of the population their consciousness has been raised in some way that it creates a wave of of
00:38:08.450 --> 00:38:11.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: a a wave of change that that's unstoppable.
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:28.540 Stephen Gray: Yeah. So the reason for a book like this is just that basically 2, 2, 2 example, 2 little thoughts come to mind about it. One is a quote by Terence Mckenna, which he he borrowed and somewhat changed, updated for the modern age.
00:38:28.550 --> 00:38:33.569 Stephen Gray: I think it comes from William Blake, but i'm not quite sure but the way Terence put it was.
00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:39.310 Stephen Gray: if the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.
00:38:39.410 --> 00:38:42.769 Stephen Gray: And then there's Victor Hugo.
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:58.749 Stephen Gray: So there's 3 little things that to come to mind. Victor Hugo, the nineteenth century poet, etc. and novelist said, there's nothing as powerful as an as an idea whose time has, and so what that ties into is this
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:16.910 Stephen Gray: vision that's been under underway for quite some time from indigenous people. For example, for hundreds of years that we have come to this point where the viability, the plausibility, you might say, the supportability of the current arguably dysfunctional
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.699 Stephen Gray: trajectory of planetary affairs on the material level is not
00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:39.589 Stephen Gray: viable, anymore. And it's becoming increasingly less viable and believable. And as that happens as Leonard Cohen would, it did put it in his song, there's a crack and everything. And that's how the light gets in. So there are visions coming from indigenous people in particular, and other mystics like Ch. Chris base in the book, and others.
00:39:39.600 --> 00:39:42.479 Stephen Gray: that as that crack opens up.
00:39:42.560 --> 00:39:55.630 Stephen Gray: there is a new vision coming in, and it will be believed if it couldn't be understood. You know it can be communicated in a way that's understood easily easy to understand. And and Dwayne Elgin in the book by the way.
00:39:55.640 --> 00:40:06.300 Stephen Gray: it doesn't even refer to psychedelics. He talks about a new story that has to be simple. It has to be plausible. It has to be easily understood, and it has to be compelling.
00:40:06.310 --> 00:40:24.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And yeah like that. And so I wanted to go back to Chris Beach's chapter, the the first chapter of the book which is the birth of the future human, and one of the reasons why that really captured me is because I I've heard a couple of times the analogy of
00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:25.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the caterpillar.
00:40:25.780 --> 00:40:27.299 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:35.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: it's kind of, like the caterpillar, when it gets prepared to go into its cocoon, will ravenously eat everything in its site.
00:40:35.810 --> 00:40:48.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: like like like apparently is, and you have multiple caterpillars. It's almost like they're destroying their environment, sound familiar, but that is to prepare them to go into the cocoon.
00:40:48.550 --> 00:41:04.790 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: where literally their own body destroys itself to then turn into a butterfly, which eventually breaks out of the cocoon and flies away, and the analogy was made that maybe that's where we are as a human species
00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:20.329 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that we're preparing to go into our cocoon to transform into what the our new, the new humans. But but before we go there we are so destroying our environment. We're eating everything
00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:31.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: as a way of of almost preparing us. And I kind of liked it because it's sort of a optimistic view of things, though there are definitely less optimistic view of things as well.
00:41:31.930 --> 00:41:49.799 Stephen Gray: Well, well, i'm not sure I would see it quite that way. There are lots of us that are in a sense preparing on doing the work that we need to do on the inner and outer level. Hopefully, because without the outer level. I don't think the inner work means, you know, hill of Beans. Really.
00:41:49.810 --> 00:42:01.260 Stephen Gray: you know, who cares if one out of 8 billionpeople is awakened. If they're not helping others somehow, whatever way they can. But the
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:18.960 Stephen Gray: the the aspect of sort of chewing everything up. I think that's actually more because of this spiritual disconnect that is in kind of a dark cloud over the human experience for several 1,000 years. Now, for a to a large degree.
00:42:18.970 --> 00:42:38.039 Stephen Gray: as the you know you mentioned. I think it was in our before we got going on the program you mentioned Philip K. Dick. Yeah. He was quite a visionary, and he had some interesting ways of talking about this, that basically in these visions that he received while he was in this altered state for 3 days in particular, and another I don't know
00:42:38.050 --> 00:42:43.729 Stephen Gray: 3 months or so. He was downloading this kind of information which basically said that
00:42:43.770 --> 00:42:58.090 Stephen Gray: the evolution, the spiritual evolution of humanity kind of got shut down a couple 1,000 years ago by the controllers. By the way, he calls the demi urge the false god, etc. of control, and that it's now opening up again.
00:42:58.100 --> 00:43:17.539 Stephen Gray: But it's the people that have that have are chewed up the world. Well, we're all doing it on some level, of course, just by our, you know, participation in, You know the use of material goods, and so on and so on. But at least you know not to sound like a you know, superior. But really people like you and me and many others
00:43:17.550 --> 00:43:34.829 Stephen Gray: are aware of that, and sensitive about it, and suffering with it as well, and wanting to see understanding that we need a different relationship. We need to come back into balance with ourselves and with the planet and with spirit.
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:49.679 Stephen Gray: But there are many people that are just, you know, happily digging up the Amazon, or whatever, and are not connected to that vision at all. So they are in a cocoon that is not preparatory. And and yeah, I I know, like for myself.
00:43:49.810 --> 00:43:52.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I just notice
00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:53.439 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: packaging.
00:43:53.560 --> 00:43:56.709 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I just noticed like how much plastic
00:43:56.740 --> 00:43:58.919 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is used, and then it's like
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:10.359 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It's it's used, and then you can't do anything with it. I mean, yeah, you recycle it, but you're almost practically throwing it out, and it's like, Can't we find a better way? Can we find something different that's not
00:44:10.370 --> 00:44:29.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: gonna stick around in our environment for thousands of years, and get into the the water and the soil, and then into our food. I mean, they've already said that, like there are micro plastics in like everything we consume, because we've just spread it around so much, and it's that lack of awareness
00:44:29.560 --> 00:44:33.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: of how everything is interconnected
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.779 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that actually is coming back to hurt ourselves. Isn't it?
00:44:36.910 --> 00:44:53.060 Stephen Gray: Well, yeah, and again, that's why this change has to start from within. Because it the that would be it in my mind. That would be that that what you're talking about with plastics that would be an easy change if the will is there easy.
00:44:53.070 --> 00:45:10.480 Stephen Gray: There's lots of materials around that you could, and lots of ways to deal with that. You can make corn based products, bamboo products, hemp based products products that break down and can be used in your soup in the month, you know. So the T. Those are just the deep, the technical details of how to deal with the problem.
00:45:10.490 --> 00:45:27.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The the source of the problem is our disconnection right it it's it's our mindset and and our and our disconnect all right. We got to take our last break of the show, because so fast, when I have such wonderful guests like yourself. So when we come back.
00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:33.450 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: maybe let's do a little bit of prognostication and and see where we going with all of this. Okay.
00:45:33.570 --> 00:45:53.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: sure, absolutely. And I see Paddy on the face on the Youtube live that she loves Leonard Cohen. So you can keep throwing in lendry code. I know you got more. He's a friend of mine that's for sure. Yeah, all right. We'll stay tuned everybody. You're listening to the conscious consultant hour awakening humanity, and we'll be right back in a moment to wrap it all up.
00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:55.269 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Stay tuned. We'll be back in a moment.
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00:48:02.600 --> 00:48:15.120 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consult now awakening humanity. So we've been speaking to Sarah with Stephen Gray, or editor of the book. How an author Psychedel, how psychedelks can help save the world.
00:48:16.680 --> 00:48:17.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and
00:48:17.560 --> 00:48:22.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: for those of us who are conscious we understand what you mean by that. But
00:48:22.660 --> 00:48:25.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: why does the world need saving?
00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:31.750 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: You know it. In my in my opinion, the world's going to be around long after we're gone.
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:43.880 Stephen Gray: Well, it's a bit of a Lucy Goosey term. Actually, you know, there are probably more sophisticated ways to to to say that same thing. Maybe you could say that
00:48:44.310 --> 00:49:00.119 Stephen Gray: the the the mission is to is again this consciousness, transformation, and and you know the save the World aspect is actually to try to turn the trajectory of human affairs
00:49:00.180 --> 00:49:12.149 Stephen Gray: toward an awakened connection to all that is. You know you mentioned this. You know so many people can spread out to so many people, to so many people, to so many people. Kind of idea
00:49:12.180 --> 00:49:31.410 Stephen Gray: that that the message will be heard, so to speak, when it when it's time has come when people enough people are open. You like that? As I said, you know nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come. So yeah, it's not when you say the world. Well, as you say, the planet is going to go on regardless.
00:49:31.420 --> 00:49:48.850 Stephen Gray: But I guess one way that i'd like to think of it is, you know, some people might find us a little woo. You know. Who cares whatever? I'd like to think that the Creators, whatever, however, whoever they are, they us, even on some level.
00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:57.640 Stephen Gray: have put so much love and intelligence into this planet as an incredible, absolutely incredible place, just, you know.
00:49:57.670 --> 00:50:08.719 Stephen Gray: brilliant beyond comprehension, interwoven in unbelievable ways, living living intelligence in everything in everything, you know. This is what.
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.549 Stephen Gray: So this is One way that psychedelics can help save the world actually is that
00:50:13.580 --> 00:50:20.870 Stephen Gray: people we were talking about plastic and all that stuff. Oftentimes, when people take these substances.
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:38.579 Stephen Gray: they feel a connection to nature in a way that they never have before they feel embedded in it. They feel the beauty and intelligence of the world, I mean, if you were to say, even take a modest dose of psilocybin mushrooms, you're not one where you have to kind of lie down and be looked after, so to speak, or whatever
00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:52.500 Stephen Gray: but just a light dose, and go sit in a garden with bees and watch the bees for a while. You'd be moved to tears, probably at the brilliance and the intelligence and the interconnectivity of everything. So
00:50:53.740 --> 00:51:07.030 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And this kind of brings up an important point, because so much like the psychedelics industry right now is getting a lot of press for it's healing aspects. But there's that spiritual aspect of it. There's that
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:17.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: not healing of the mind or the body, but healing of the soul that psychedelics is sort of uniquely designed for. I guess you could say.
00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:29.649 Stephen Gray: Yeah. Well, I think it's all connected. We have to do the inner healing work as well. Like. As I mentioned earlier in the conversation. We've piled up all this, and a crust crusts, you might say.
00:51:29.660 --> 00:51:41.669 Stephen Gray: based on you know, wounds that we've, you know, inflicted or been inflicted on us over the course of our lifetimes, and, as I say, probably past lives as well, just to ask Chris Base about that one.
00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:54.100 Stephen Gray: And and so there's a lot to undo. We we have, you know, these wounds. Everybody carries them to one degree or another, and they need to be brought to the light and released
00:51:54.110 --> 00:52:17.329 Stephen Gray: to move on in a sense. So so the healing work is all connected to the spiritual work. It's not really separate, I don't think, but the healing work is almost like what you know a metaphor you might use, or an analogy is that the healing work is like getting your you know you've got this car that needs repair before you can take it on the road. The healing work is getting the car functional and getting it on the road.
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:35.609 Stephen Gray: But the real journey, the the purpose of it is to get that car on the road. It's not to sit there tinkering in your garage for 40 years and polishing the car every day. Kind of idea, right? So now I forgot what the specific question was about that.
00:52:35.620 --> 00:53:03.760 Stephen Gray: Well, well, yeah, it's just about the the idea of of healing. Yeah, right? So I think they're intertwined and the spiritual part. That's why I mentioned a little while ago, Sam, that I see the psychedelics is having kind of 2 interrelated functions, which is one, is to show you the truth of yourself, and where you need to heal, and all that, and the other is to show you that what you're healing into is the true nature. You know the enlightened mind, if you will, the truth
00:53:03.940 --> 00:53:13.799 Stephen Gray: sense of who we are as people. And so they are connected in that way. And so it's not a problem that they're focusing on the healing, and, in fact.
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:23.350 Stephen Gray: so let me. We don't have much time left. So I want to just just ask you 1 one other quick question, which is at this point in time.
00:53:23.620 --> 00:53:32.489 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Are you more hopeful about the future? Are you concerned about the future? Are you pessimistic about the future? Ha! Where do you see things going from here
00:53:32.900 --> 00:53:39.809 Stephen Gray: for the first 2 of those 3, i'm hopeful and concerned. I'm not pessimistic it.
00:53:39.820 --> 00:53:53.780 Stephen Gray: And the reason i'm not pessimistic is because I I think I have some sense of the ultimate potential of human beings that we are, as the Buddhist teachings would say, awake by nature, and it's just a matter of how we we find that how we fall into it.
00:53:53.800 --> 00:54:09.999 Stephen Gray: And I don't think any other functional, a any other attitude is functional, regardless of how logical it seems that we're going to hell in a hand basket. I don't think it's valuable to oneself or anyone else to remain in despair, depression, and cynicism.
00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:19.920 Stephen Gray: etc. So I am hopeful. I believe in the potential. And this is the message that people like Chris base have been getting from the spirit is that
00:54:19.930 --> 00:54:35.940 Stephen Gray: we have. There's there's an extremely good chance that we are going to eventually blossom into what Dwayne Elgin in the book calls a mature planetary civilization. But in the short run I don't want to get too dark about it, especially at the end of our conversation.
00:54:35.950 --> 00:54:53.160 Stephen Gray: I suspect we're in for a a lot of difficulty on the material level because of the climate, and because of the sort of karmic endpoint, so to speak, of the dysfunctional disconnection that's often running the world with people at the heads of corporations and governments
00:54:53.170 --> 00:55:11.339 Stephen Gray: in particular, you know. So I think we're probably in for really difficult time, and it's a shame. We don't have another extra 5 or 10 min here, because what's really important about that in a way, and why a book like this hopefully will be helpful is that if you don't see light at the end of the tunnel as a potential.
00:55:11.350 --> 00:55:19.380 Stephen Gray: then it's going to be much more difficult for you as a person going through these next few decades. It's just going to look like.
00:55:19.390 --> 00:55:47.970 Stephen Gray: you know, a a total disaster for many people. But there's this potential for transformation. It's going to bring a different way of being on this planet. It's going to be much more simple. I think you know, material really. Yeah. Well, well, Steven, it it's been a pleasure having you, and I just want to put out the offer that I'd be welcome to have you back on the show, and maybe even for for your conference, if you want, I can interview some of the
00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:58.339 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: speakers for the next conference. So before we close out, let people know. How can they find you? Where can they learn more about the conference where they can learn more about you?
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:16.909 Stephen Gray: Yeah, and I would be happy to have a follow up conversation. It's a it's a relatively short time here with these, you know, ads and whatnot that you have in, so there's lots more to explore if you're up for it. So websites, even gray vision.com s, t, e, n, G. R. A. Y
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.909 Stephen Gray: and I'm. Also Stephen Gray, and wished together, and then vision on Facebook, Instagram, and Tik Tok.
00:56:22.940 --> 00:56:32.109 Stephen Gray: The conference is Spirit plant, Medicinecom, and when is the next conference.
00:56:32.120 --> 00:56:49.259 Stephen Gray: November third to Fifth in Vancouver. One thing that's really special about our conference. I'll just say super briefly, is that we do put everyone in the same room. There are no breakout rooms, and so it has a ceremonial feel. We even have a Cannabis meditation ceremony on the Saturday night.
00:56:49.270 --> 00:56:53.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I hope to to be able to attend this this the November.
00:56:53.680 --> 00:57:14.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: That'd be great. I hope you can, Sam. Yeah, me, too. Me, too. Well, Steven, thank you so much. Thank you for the work that you do. Thank you for taking the time out to come on. The show would be happy to have you come back later in the year and continue the conversation. Maybe we can get you in like before the conference, so we can talk about. Maybe some of the things coming up for the conference
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:15.819 Stephen Gray: any time, Sam.
00:57:15.830 --> 00:57:45.279 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Wonderful i'll be. I'll be in touch about that. And thank you, my loyal listeners, for tuning in as always. If you have any questions or comments, you'd like to reach me after the show. You can always find email@example.com don't forget coming up at 5 Pm. Today. Frank Harrison and his show, Frank about health and Fridays. Of course we have our business shows, philanthropy and focus at 10 am. Eastern time, followed by
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