WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
- How can we grow our understanding of Change?
- What is the difference between life change and life transition?
- How can we learn to embrace change and to see it as a creative process and an opportunity for growth?
- We will hear personal and transformational stories from Pam around the 'art of change.'
Pamela Thompson, BN, MSc., has experienced many transitions throughout her life including living and working on five continents, separation and divorce, burnout, finding the love of her life …. She is passionate about sharing her insights, stories, and actionable strategies on how to navigate change, lead in uncertain times, and thrive in life and work globally through experiential workshops, speaking and writing – https://pamela-thompson.com.
Pam is committed to making a difference and is founder of the national, member-based non-profit Female Wave of Change Canada – https://fwoccanada.com.
She is author of the #1 best selling book “Learning to Dance with Life: A Guide for High Achieving Women” and a recent international best seller “The Exploits of Minerva: Reflections of a Sixty-something Woman”
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Tonight, we are Live in the Hive with Pamela Thompson, author of the #1 best selling book “Learning to Dance with Life: A Guide for High Achieving Women” and a recent international best seller “The Exploits of Minerva: Reflections of a Sixty-something Woman”. Pamela is a certified life and business coach, personal facilitator trained in conflict resolution and a global health and health promotion expert with a Bachelors in nursing and a masters in science. Sandra met Pamela through Jennifer Kaufman who was on the show. Jennifer was on the show to speak about her trauma and growth coming from her experience in the Boston Marathon Bombings. Jenniefer recommended that Sandra have Pamela on the show. Sandra ended up attending Pamela’s book launch for The Exploits of Minerva. Pamela answers the question of what identity she leads with in her life. She says that she leads as an authentic feminine leader; a heart centered, collaborative, and inclusive leader. Sndra introduces the topic of the fear of change. Pamela says that embracing change is important because when we resist change it has negative impacts on our life in every way. When we embrace it, we can enjoy the journey and see it through different perspectives and as opportunities. Pamela speaks about moments where she knew that she was okay with change. One example was recently where she realized that many changes in her life were things she initiated compared to it being imposed on her.
Pamelka talks about the difference between life change and life transition. She paraphrased William Bridges who identified that a life change is something external, something that you can see. A transition is internal and psychological work that we do to readjust to a new situation. She says that a lot of people do the life change but not the life transition, so they keep repeating the same patterns that cause them to not be fulfilled. Pamela also talks about Minerva from her book. She says that Minerva was a Roman Goddess. She is sensitive and playful. She also believes that life is an adventure to be lived to the fullest. Pamela connected with her about 25 years ago when she was riding on a bike trail in Ottawa where she used to live. She says that her essence came to her. Pamela was going to write about her. Pamela also felt that she has also had a lot of experience with transition in her life. She speaks about joining a new club once where a widow came to her and spoke about her loss. There Pamela knew that she needed to document this story. She created characters based on these women's stories about loss, finding the love of their life, aging, etc. One reason was to promote understanding which can also create more balance and peace. She also shares part of her art of change framework also seen in her book.
In workshops and with her clients, one of the things Palema coaches people with is helping them get out of their heads and into their bodies. Doing meditation, body scanning, being in nature and being present are some of those things. Her framework has 5 steps where you'll learn how to respond to change and why as well as what happens in typical transitions. She mentions the part of letting go and identifying lessons learned when change happens whether it's losing a job or relationship. She also talks about the neutral zone where you explore and become creative. The next step is the new beginning where you take action. Pamela also works one on one or with groups or teams like with leaders and their teams. People are then able to identify how they respond to change and how they can support each other. Pamela speaks with Sandra about the non-profit organization called Female Wave of Change. The founder, Ingun Bol-de Bock, worked in leadership and management and had a background in engineering. Many times when she was sent to management and leadership training, she noticed that there wasn't anything related to her role as a woman. Her vision has been to reshape the future and accelerate change for a better world. This came when she had the opportunity to coordinate a conference in the Netherlands. Pamela also talks about how she met Ingun, became founder of Female Wave of Change Canada and other work to educate and encourage women and young girls. You can search for fwoccanada.com to learn and get involved.
Pamela is a contributing author to Hot Women Rock: How To Discover Your Midlife Entrepreneurial Mojo
00:00:15.020 --> 00:00:17.779 welcome everyone. I'm. Sandra Bardman.
00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:28.860 A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the Edge of every day, which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions we all face and grapple with
00:00:29.240 --> 00:00:36.179 the shows hit an earth, and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time more than I could have foreseen.
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00:00:37.070 --> 00:00:50.409 here we are. It's real talk with real people sharing stories and perspectives that spark provocative invitations to leap out of what's safe on the edge of every day. Thanks for listening
00:00:50.420 --> 00:01:00.999 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: down on you. No man. Hello, everyone, Thank you for joining me on the edge of every day. Here on talk, radio and Nyc.
00:01:01.540 --> 00:01:15.380 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Tonight we are live in the hive with bestselling author and art of change. Expert Pamela Thompson, for our 50 fourth episode, entitled, Embracing the Edge of Change
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00:02:05.340 --> 00:02:18.850 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: This show is about pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations, and shared stories with friends and colleagues. It's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges.
00:02:19.090 --> 00:02:24.119 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful.
00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:29.600 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: those places where we are resistant to change
00:02:29.730 --> 00:02:44.240 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: mit ctl. And those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and in our understandings, both about ourselves and about the world around us. Listen. We live in edgy, tumultuous times, and
00:02:44.620 --> 00:02:46.390 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: people are complex.
00:02:46.630 --> 00:02:54.080 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: The more we recognize our own edges and get real about them, the more we can help others to do the same, and that.
00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.390 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I fully believe, can help to change the world.
00:02:57.670 --> 00:02:59.900 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So thanks again for tuning in.
00:03:00.910 --> 00:03:06.840 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and without further ado. It is time to introduce our guest this week.
00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:23.939 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pamela Thompson is a certified life and business coach, professional facilitator, trained in conflict resolution and a global health and health promotion expert with a bachelors in nursing and a masters in science one.
00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:38.339 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She has created 2 successful process management consulting businesses since the early 1,900 and Ninetys, and is currently President of creative life. Coaching and consulting.
00:03:38.980 --> 00:03:47.870 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pamela has experienced many transitions throughout her life, including living and working on 5 continents.
00:03:47.920 --> 00:03:53.569 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: separation and divorce burn out, and finding the love of her life.
00:03:53.920 --> 00:04:11.830 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She is passionate about sharing her insights, stories, and actionable strategies on how to navigate, change, lead in uncertain times, and thrive in life, and work globally through experiential workshops. Speaking
00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:30.410 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and writing. She is the author of the number one bestselling book, Learning to dance with Life. A Guide for High Achieving Women and her recent international bestseller. The Exploits of Minerva. Reflections of a 60 Something Woman
00:04:30.870 --> 00:04:43.300 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pamela is committed to making a difference, and is the president and founder of the national member-based non-profit female wave of change. Canada
00:04:43.900 --> 00:04:47.529 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pamela Thompson welcome to the edge of every day.
00:04:47.950 --> 00:05:06.019 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Thank you so much, Sandra. I'm excited and honored to be here.
00:05:06.030 --> 00:05:19.399 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Listen, folks. This woman is a badass, I mean. There's nothing what I just read is like the tip of the iceberg getting a a juicy. Cv. I mean we could. I'd be here all night reading, or Cv.
00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:26.149 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: She is quite accomplished. So again I thank you for being on the show.
00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:33.009 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So I love to tell everyone listening in how I know my guests, and I met Pamela
00:05:33.460 --> 00:05:38.539 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: through a friend of mine, someone I met doing this podcast.
00:05:38.670 --> 00:05:51.649 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Jennifer Kaufman. You may recall her. She her show about the trauma and the the growth that she made through being present during the Boston Marathon bombings.
00:05:52.130 --> 00:05:53.380 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah. So
00:05:53.410 --> 00:06:09.819 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Jennifer and I have become good friends, Pamela, and she wrote to me and said, You have to have Pamela Thompson on your show. And so I looked at your website, and I was like I I do, I do. And then I attended your wonderful book launch for the exploits
00:06:09.830 --> 00:06:18.660 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of Minerva, and got to hear all about it, and i'm so excited for you to be sharing with our guests about that. That was a wonderful book launch.
00:06:18.740 --> 00:06:33.250 Pamela Thompson: Well, thank you. It was fun. I love creating it. And you know, implementing events. That's one of my sweet spots. I love doing that. Oh, love that. Yeah, I do, too. And and I think at those online book launch
00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.600 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: launches are key for new books.
00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:53.389 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I have found that the people that are doing that are really getting good, you know, with the timing of getting it into, you know, getting driving people into purchasing your book in a certain window. It's really a great thing. So if you're listening in folks about ready to write a book or have a book.
00:06:53.510 --> 00:06:57.230 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pay attention to the wisdom of Pamela Thompson about all of that.
00:06:57.440 --> 00:06:59.410 Pamela Thompson: Well, thank you much.
00:06:59.850 --> 00:07:19.579 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: so which we'll get into a little later. But I want to. I want to focus in a little on on on change, my jam, your jam. But before I do, I have a question I love to ask my guests. It was asked of me, and I heard it on a podcast, too, and I just loved it, and there's so many directions you can go and asking this, but
00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:33.590 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: particularly you. But so all of my guests do a plethora of things. They wear so many different hats, and they're so accomplished in so many directions. And as we really navigate our understandings
00:07:33.650 --> 00:07:37.819 of what identity even means in today's world.
00:07:37.940 --> 00:07:39.520 what identity
00:07:39.650 --> 00:07:42.940 do you lead with in your life, Pamela.
00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:44.620 Pamela Thompson: Oh.
00:07:44.750 --> 00:07:48.629 Pamela Thompson: that's a really good question. What identity do I lead within my life?
00:07:48.940 --> 00:07:55.159 Pamela Thompson: Well, because it we're too hats. I probably yeah 2 identity.
00:07:55.510 --> 00:08:06.249 Pamela Thompson: If i'm speaking on leadership, because, you know, i'll I'll speak a little bit more later about female wave of change and female. We've changed Canada. That's all about feminine leadership. So I lead
00:08:06.390 --> 00:08:14.469 Pamela Thompson: as an authentic feminine leader. Heart centered collaborative, inclusive. I hope you know so
00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:16.320 Pamela Thompson: in that way.
00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:31.680 Pamela Thompson: I guess when I think about it, those feminine leadership qualities I I probably lead with, or I would hope to lead with in all in my life. So I probably lead with those feminine leadership qualities that men can have. As well
00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:42.600 Pamela Thompson: just just just say it. But but a lot of time. Yeah, they have not been the qualities that a lot of our organizations and systems have been based on.
00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:52.629 Pamela Thompson: And so now they're coming to the 4 right? And so yeah, I guess that that's how I meet her. I like to think that I lead from a heart centered place, compassionate
00:08:52.820 --> 00:09:04.470 Pamela Thompson: from a place of understanding, from a place of emotional intelligence. And yeah, and and that's absolutely how I see you. And it embraces all of the work that you do.
00:09:04.630 --> 00:09:08.189 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: You are just a heart-centered a change maker.
00:09:08.490 --> 00:09:13.990 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, thank you yeah, and then change Embrace her. And you know, when I was asked that I
00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:15.200 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I I
00:09:15.510 --> 00:09:18.020 at the time I said, probably comedian.
00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.680 I lead with the comedian in me.
00:09:20.800 --> 00:09:27.230 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But honestly, I I, as you just distilled into that, as I was talking, I went.
00:09:27.250 --> 00:09:32.699 No, I think I lead as an Edge Walker as somebody who walks the edges and leads with
00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:34.790 being a change maker.
00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:37.690 So I think it's the same for me.
00:09:37.830 --> 00:09:45.339 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So I loved your answer. I loved watching you get down to it. That's my what I love about that question.
00:09:45.700 --> 00:09:58.160 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So. And speaking of change, you know we talk a lot. I talk a lot, and we talk a lot on the edge of every day about our fear of change. And because that's you know.
00:09:58.850 --> 00:10:04.400 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Second to the edge of grief in the edge of death. That's probably the biggest
00:10:04.420 --> 00:10:06.620 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that we all navigate
00:10:06.650 --> 00:10:08.480 is our fear of change.
00:10:11.130 --> 00:10:13.520 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So why is embracing?
00:10:13.790 --> 00:10:16.889 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Why is embracing change so important to Pamela.
00:10:19.680 --> 00:10:22.440 Pamela Thompson: What's important for a number of reasons, Sandra.
00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:35.339 Pamela Thompson: when we don't embrace it'll start with the other side. When we resist change, it has a negative impact on our bodies, our minds, our relationships, our businesses, our work, and our bottom line, right?
00:10:35.780 --> 00:10:40.760 Pamela Thompson: And so, yeah. And so, why is it important to embrace it.
00:10:40.970 --> 00:10:43.560 Pamela Thompson: because if you embrace it
00:10:43.870 --> 00:10:46.269 Pamela Thompson: you can enjoy the journey.
00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:50.530 Pamela Thompson: and you can see it through a new L. A different lens.
00:10:50.830 --> 00:10:53.209 Pamela Thompson: And instead of reacting.
00:10:53.390 --> 00:10:55.989 Pamela Thompson: and I. I like to slip in here that
00:10:56.050 --> 00:11:14.850 Pamela Thompson: physiologically, we're all hardwired to fear change. It's very normal, because our amygdala, that part of our brain is constantly searching the environment for things that are different and things that potentially would be a threat. And then it causes our body to release stress, hormones, adrenaline, cortisol epinephrine things that
00:11:15.030 --> 00:11:19.880 Pamela Thompson: hormones that typically put it into fight, flight or freeze.
00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:21.740 Pamela Thompson: And in all of these
00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.639 Pamela Thompson: these situations
00:11:25.160 --> 00:11:38.469 Pamela Thompson: we can't make really good decisions right? Right. And so what we want to do ideally is learn to move quickly through that process and embrace, change, and see it as the opportunity.
00:11:38.680 --> 00:11:41.749 Pamela Thompson: and see the server linings.
00:11:42.210 --> 00:11:56.460 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, that and that is just the perfect overarching umbrella for everything that we're going to talk about today. But I, you know you just said, we're all hardwired for, and our amygdala, you know.
00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:09.169 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: connects with the fight flight. But you know I I have to say over the course of probably, since you know of the last 6 years with the insanity on the political scene.
00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:17.789 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I have wondered if there is a certain type of person who's hardwired to, you know.
00:12:18.090 --> 00:12:21.730 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: when I talk about politically hardwired to
00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:24.140 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: for sameness
00:12:24.210 --> 00:12:29.259 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and lack of diversity. But in this case it's also.
00:12:29.410 --> 00:12:34.779 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Are there. Is there a certain person who might be more wired to embrace change
00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:36.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that in
00:12:36.640 --> 00:12:47.790 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: maybe more so i'm sure it's a spectrum, and I always think of people. There's a spectrum. But but when was the moment that you, personally connected to
00:12:47.800 --> 00:13:04.050 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: understanding that you were down with change that you like to change? I mean I I not that I want to speak for you. I'm assuming that you embrace change. Well, I've heard in some of the things I've listened that you get a board really easy, which I can so relate to.
00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:12.280 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you know. And but I had my aha moment like how you really okay, with change more so than the average person. When was that moment for you?
00:13:13.150 --> 00:13:18.600 Pamela Thompson: Well, that's that. I have to dig deep for that. When i'm a bunch of things are coming up.
00:13:21.560 --> 00:13:22.560 Pamela Thompson: I
00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:40.209 Pamela Thompson: I guess what it really came to the for is when I launched for my first coaching business in 2,009. I had a business coach right, and and I and I had a net initially. I wasn't sure I had a very broad mandate or
00:13:40.220 --> 00:13:42.999 Pamela Thompson: target market I was focusing on, and she said
00:13:43.130 --> 00:13:44.050 Pamela Thompson: Pam.
00:13:44.520 --> 00:13:48.169 Pamela Thompson: Do you think you know anything about life transitions?
00:13:49.130 --> 00:14:08.659 Pamela Thompson: And i'm like I think so. And then I reflected on my life, and I thought, oh, My goodness sakes! So I thought, yeah, I know something about this, so that that that so that was probably the moment when it really hit me between the eyes, so to speak. Sandra and I'm like Yes, I do.
00:14:08.830 --> 00:14:10.250 Pamela Thompson: And
00:14:10.660 --> 00:14:12.730 Pamela Thompson: then there was another moment
00:14:13.290 --> 00:14:14.899 Pamela Thompson: more recently.
00:14:15.110 --> 00:14:17.509 when I realized that
00:14:17.710 --> 00:14:19.669 Pamela Thompson: many of the changes
00:14:19.750 --> 00:14:22.319 Pamela Thompson: that I that it happened in my life
00:14:22.410 --> 00:14:24.090 Pamela Thompson: I had initiated.
00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:33.130 Pamela Thompson: and it's quite different when we, when you initiate a change that it out of the blue, is it? And it's imposed on you.
00:14:33.390 --> 00:14:51.430 Pamela Thompson: And so when I reflected on that, and then we were in a situation where my partner he was head hunted off Linkedin, and we had this amazing house in the beautiful Okanagan valley in in BC. Which is Wine country, we can see the lake. We can walk the 3 vineyards from our house. I need my head hunted
00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.229 Pamela Thompson: to come to Victoria.
00:14:53.280 --> 00:15:02.789 Pamela Thompson: and it's like it was an incredible opportunity for him, right? And so it's like he went along, and I sort of said, Well, I I need to give myself some time here.
00:15:02.920 --> 00:15:16.150 Pamela Thompson: and then I put our place on Linkedin for not in linkedin on Airbnb, for the summer came to Victoria and realized I could live here. But it took me at least 6 months to really get into it because I really so. It. It was really
00:15:16.340 --> 00:15:22.669 Pamela Thompson: an eye-opener and an awakening moment to realize how much of the change in my life had been self-initiated.
00:15:23.420 --> 00:15:26.319 Pamela Thompson: and how different it is when it isn't.
00:15:26.400 --> 00:15:37.389 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yes, that's fascinating. Yeah, and it so you know we've got to go to break but of course my mind goes to is there Who it? Who are the people that love to self initiate.
00:15:37.420 --> 00:15:38.330 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: change.
00:15:38.610 --> 00:15:46.600 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and who you know versus I don't want to initiate change. I want things to say stay the same, but but we're not going to answer that
00:15:46.660 --> 00:15:48.819 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we're going to leave that hanging in the air
00:15:49.130 --> 00:16:07.809 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: when we come back after our break. I want to ask you. You talked about Trent life transitions, and that was your awa moment, and I love you just. I just got your newsletter, and or no. I read something in your blog about what is the difference between life, transition, and life change, and I love the clarity that you
00:16:07.820 --> 00:16:24.780 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: offered in that, and I want to start with that when we come back after our break, and then we're going to move into some more questions around change, and then we're going to dive into the exploits of Minerva when we come back with Pamela Thompson on the edge of everyday. Stay tuned.
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00:18:37.290 --> 00:18:46.869 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of every day, and we are back to Pamela Thompson. So let's dive into what is the difference between a life transition
00:18:46.930 --> 00:18:48.849 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and life change?
00:18:50.490 --> 00:18:57.750 Pamela Thompson: Well, I like to and I. I am. I'm paraphrasing an organizational theorist called William Bridges.
00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:05.070 Pamela Thompson: and sadly he's passed, but based on over 30 years of work with people and organizations. He identified this difference.
00:19:05.300 --> 00:19:08.489 Pamela Thompson: and and what he said was that
00:19:08.930 --> 00:19:11.609 Pamela Thompson: a life change is something external
00:19:11.730 --> 00:19:31.140 Pamela Thompson: and situational, something that you can see like a pink slip or a separation agreement, whereas a transition is something internal and psychological. It's the internal psychological work that we do to reorient and readjust ourselves to a new situation and our new external reality. And what happens is.
00:19:31.150 --> 00:19:35.629 Pamela Thompson: if I may, a lot of people do the life change, but they don't do the transition.
00:19:35.930 --> 00:19:43.160 Pamela Thompson: So they keep Sandy repeating the same patterns in their lives often, and remaining unhappy and
00:19:44.020 --> 00:19:50.379 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and and and ultimately not seeing the the ultimate gift in the
00:19:51.190 --> 00:19:59.089 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: what change brings into our lives, if we are capable of coming to a mental place where we we
00:19:59.560 --> 00:20:01.910 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, we yeah change can suck
00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:10.229 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: a lot of times, the the one the change that's imposed on us; but but if we can embrace it from the standpoint of.
00:20:10.340 --> 00:20:14.319 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I know that there is a silver lining here somewhere.
00:20:14.350 --> 00:20:17.979 if i'm willing to stay present to it and willing to
00:20:18.670 --> 00:20:23.530 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: work with this. Be uncomfortable and work with this
00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:25.950 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: scenario.
00:20:26.710 --> 00:20:27.490 Pamela Thompson: Totally.
00:20:27.860 --> 00:20:28.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah.
00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:30.800 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So
00:20:32.830 --> 00:20:40.400 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you know, I just want to dive right into to the exploits of Nerva, and all my questions around. Change can come through talking about Minerva.
00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:45.259 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So because I just love that name so so who is Minerva?
00:20:45.530 --> 00:20:59.769 Pamela Thompson: And what is she teaching us about change? How did you connect with her? Well, manure is sensitive and playful, and she believes that life is an adventure to be lived to the fullest, and that's basically been her mantra.
00:21:00.290 --> 00:21:19.590 Pamela Thompson: And Minerva. As you may know, Sandra is, she was the most revered Roman goddess, and she for knowledge and wisdom, and she often is seen with her sacred owl owl, older, and in my like a cena folks, for those of you have seen the edge of every day the solo show.
00:21:20.310 --> 00:21:25.880 Pamela Thompson: and so and and she and and the Minerva in my book as well, does have.
00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:41.369 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I know one of her shoulders. Just so, you know. Wow! I love this, and what this makes me. I have to come clean folks. I have not read the book, but i'm going to read the book for certain. You know I will get to it, but I've read all about the book so, but I will get to it.
00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:56.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So i'm thrilled to know that she has an owl on.
00:21:57.010 --> 00:22:02.219 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What can she teach us about change? And how did you connect with her?
00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:03.510 Pamela Thompson: Okay.
00:22:03.630 --> 00:22:07.499 Pamela Thompson: Well, how I connected with her is over 25 years ago.
00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:26.999 Pamela Thompson: about 25 years ago, I was riding on a bike trail in Ottawa, where I used to live, and her essence came to me, and I was so busy I had a busy life. I had kids who were like teenagers. I was starting my first consulting business. I didn't have time to write about Minerva right? And so I pushed her down.
00:22:27.010 --> 00:22:40.879 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: If you well, they're pushed our way. So you were. You weren't you weren't kind of freaked out that this, this entity, and this in essence, was speaking to you. I mean you don't strike me as you would be, but but I wouldn't be. I would be. I would be just celebrating
00:22:41.690 --> 00:22:59.379 Pamela Thompson: anyway. She can't do it, and I and I sort of put her away. And then, about 3 years ago, I'm going to say she came back and said, You need to write about me so initially. I was going to write a novel. That's what I set up today to do right. And then I realized, and I realized that
00:22:59.590 --> 00:23:02.970 Pamela Thompson: I have. Well, I have a lot of experience with transitions, and
00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:10.770 Pamela Thompson: there was this woman. I was immune to Victoria, and I joined a newcomers club, and I met this woman, and
00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:15.709 Pamela Thompson: she had recently been widowed, and she was amazing. She was in her early sixtys.
00:23:15.770 --> 00:23:17.450 Pamela Thompson: and she said, Pam.
00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:31.280 Pamela Thompson: I came here 6 months after, you know. We retired. We moved from one coast to the other coast in Canada. Within 6 weeks 6 months of coming here. The love of my life died. I met him when I was 20. I married him when I was 22,
00:23:31.290 --> 00:23:50.340 Pamela Thompson: and she said, No one talks about that. They don't you You you're a widow, and you just get put over there. You're kind of invisible. No one asked you what it's like. No one, no one tells, you know, like no one prepares you for it, and I thought, oh, my God, I it it! It's really important to to get these sort of.
00:23:50.350 --> 00:23:52.100 Pamela Thompson: you know stories out.
00:23:52.140 --> 00:24:05.920 Pamela Thompson: And so, anyway, I did interview her and asked her, and and she was very instrumental in identifying friends and friends of friends to interview. So then I created composite characters, seized on these women's, stories of
00:24:05.930 --> 00:24:23.109 Pamela Thompson: burn out separation and divorce aging, losing the love of your life, find the love of your life. And obviously, I added, some of my own as well. But it was really really it really fun to write, and my intention in doing it was to really help people to understand
00:24:23.550 --> 00:24:35.899 Pamela Thompson: what they were going through if they were going through something similar, so that they wouldn't feel alone, also help other people men as well as when it women understand other women in their lives and different things that were happening right.
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:42.910 Pamela Thompson: And so really, i'm all about promoting understanding, because I what I believe is is when we
00:24:42.980 --> 00:24:45.129 Pamela Thompson: how understand each other.
00:24:45.260 --> 00:24:50.599 Pamela Thompson: Then there's way, less conflict in the world. There's way, more balance and peace.
00:24:50.810 --> 00:24:51.790 Pamela Thompson: And
00:24:51.870 --> 00:25:05.760 Pamela Thompson: Yeah. So so through this novel, because it's not at all. It's really part self help, book part part memoirs, but also like I I heard the phrase creative non-fiction. Yes, he is really loved.
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:25.360 Pamela Thompson: and I didn't set up to write creative nonfiction. But the the review person who reviewed my book at the publisher is sent back this this all this stuff, and then like talking to my my publication port, get her and saying.
00:25:25.370 --> 00:25:27.559 Pamela Thompson: Well, did she not read the genre?
00:25:27.570 --> 00:25:47.079 Pamela Thompson: And then i'm telling her about the book she hadn't read it. That was not her role to read the manuscript, but she said, Pam, I think it's creative nonfiction. I didn't even know what that was said, or so I i'm like oh, my goodness, it's creative because it hasn't it has a hook. It has a storyline to draw you in.
00:25:47.090 --> 00:25:50.689 Pamela Thompson: and at the end of the day. People often, I think.
00:25:50.730 --> 00:26:08.659 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: learn more or engage more with stories than they do with straight non-fiction right
00:26:08.670 --> 00:26:23.049 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to weave these lessons around transitions and change it. It is very powerful, and people can really see themselves in these stories. And and so how did you?
00:26:23.060 --> 00:26:32.720 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: How did you leave in some, you know, if you can give us an example. Another one of you just gave that beautiful one about the woman who
00:26:32.870 --> 00:26:33.790 so
00:26:34.100 --> 00:26:39.050 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: lost her husband in her sixtys. I mean, that's really young.
00:26:39.170 --> 00:26:43.650 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that she's known her whole life. What are some other ways that you wove in
00:26:45.100 --> 00:26:48.539 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: strategies to stay present
00:26:49.100 --> 00:26:52.340 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: with change with life transitions.
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.439 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: In this I mean the the realness, the being with women
00:26:56.890 --> 00:27:03.510 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: expand out a little bit on how you wove some of those strategies into this powerful storytelling.
00:27:04.620 --> 00:27:21.390 Pamela Thompson: Well, the context I set for this, for this book is 6 women who have been supporting each other through a variety of left life transitions for over 20 years in a women's circle. Now, Sandra, I am in a women's circle, and I've only been in it for almost 4 years now.
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:26.739 Pamela Thompson: So I understand the context, right? So that that's the context I decided to use.
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.060 Pamela Thompson: And then we have experiential exercises.
00:27:31.070 --> 00:27:56.620 Pamela Thompson: A different person facilitates every night, and sometimes we bring it an exercise something that we've used with our own clients. You know some coaches, clinical psychologists, whatever. There's a variety of different types of folks in this women's circle. So for me, what I did is and it it's interesting because I just shared some of this in an experiential last week I sh I shared part of my art of change framework
00:27:56.650 --> 00:28:00.379 Pamela Thompson: in 1 one of the the chapters of the book.
00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:11.989 Pamela Thompson: And so you know, I set the stage being in the women's circle, and having, you know, people talking about change. Do you embrace it or resist it? And the first step in my 5 step. Art of change. Work is
00:28:12.550 --> 00:28:21.469 Pamela Thompson: art of change. Framework is shine the light, and that is when you explore how you respond to change. And why
00:28:21.890 --> 00:28:26.670 Pamela Thompson: So what I did is I put it in the book. I said, okay, one of those things is
00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:38.130 Pamela Thompson: rate yourself on a scale from one to 10 in terms of how you typically respond to change. One being scares me to death. 10 being, I thrive on it. Don't think about it too much right.
00:28:38.550 --> 00:28:42.630 Pamela Thompson: And then I said, okay, now, think about another change
00:28:42.830 --> 00:28:58.939 Pamela Thompson: that comes out out of you out of the blue, and it's imposed on you. How would you respond to it, and 9 times out of 10 leaders and change makers right, the re themselves 9 or 10 on the first scale, and 5 or 6 on the second one.
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:00.660 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: No surprise. Get it?
00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:20.359 Pamela Thompson: Yeah. So, anyway. So that's one way where I did incorporate some of my own work and some of the tools into the book. I love it well, and I I love that the notion that they're like all things. There's a a spectrum to understanding your resistance
00:29:20.370 --> 00:29:32.609 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: mit ctl. And so if there's a spectrum, this means that there's always ways that you can keep growing and and learning how to embrace change.
00:29:33.050 --> 00:29:33.950 which
00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:38.539 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: circles back to my my question. Is there a person that is
00:29:39.060 --> 00:29:43.800 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: wired to embrace change a little bit more than someone else?
00:29:43.970 --> 00:29:47.459 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: But and those those people who might not be wired.
00:29:48.510 --> 00:29:53.510 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: know that they can, you know, continually expand
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.880 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: there. Once they see how they're resisting change.
00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:04.760 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Then then, once you see it, you can then make some choices as to how you move through it.
00:30:04.870 --> 00:30:06.470 and of course
00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:19.729 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: we will ask you when we come back after the break, what what are some of those those strategies when we come back after the break. We're also going to dive into your
00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:32.240 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: female wave of change organization. I'm. I was very excited to read about that. So, folks, when we come back with Pamela Thompson on the edge of every day, stay tuned.
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00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:42.460 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: change-maker extraordinary so before we dive into this
00:32:42.520 --> 00:32:48.970 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: organization, I I want to make sure that we touch on these skills.
00:32:48.990 --> 00:33:00.349 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Now that we've talked about ways, people are are resistant to change some of the skills for personal or relational, or even structural or organizational, or even structural or organizational
00:33:00.540 --> 00:33:01.939 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: change. But
00:33:02.290 --> 00:33:06.519 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I think you know there's a a set of things that people can
00:33:06.550 --> 00:33:11.999 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: be working on, that works both personally and within a work situation.
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:22.069 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So what are some of those skills that you highlight in in your work, in your workshops, and with your clients that that are helpful, 250
00:33:22.660 --> 00:33:23.550 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: with
00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.250 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: embracing change.
00:33:26.650 --> 00:33:33.900 Pamela Thompson: Okay, that's a complex question, what are the skills? Well, one of them is
00:33:34.090 --> 00:33:43.279 Pamela Thompson: helping people to get out of their heads and into their bodies is not, or we don't do it all in our heads, and if we do, we don't really do it.
00:33:43.290 --> 00:34:13.259 Pamela Thompson: And so that's the whole point is so. My, I've studied map mindfulness, and as you probably up to. And so you know what mindfulness walking, meditation, doing, body scanning before you get out of bed in the morning. Really getting a handle on, you know, on getting into your body and noticing if you have pain or resistance, and where it is having massage is regularly being in nature, where you can get rid of the noise, you know, in your environment it just really be right rather than
00:34:13.270 --> 00:34:28.260 Pamela Thompson: do do doing so. It's partly learning more to be the present. These are some. The other thing is having having a process to help you to apply to any change, whether it be personal or professional.
00:34:28.270 --> 00:34:33.280 Pamela Thompson: So my art of change framework, if I may, I'll just briefly
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.359 Pamela Thompson: it. It has these 5 steps.
00:34:36.510 --> 00:34:47.239 Pamela Thompson: and as you move through the state steps, you learn how to respond to changing why which I shared before the break. And then you also learn
00:34:47.560 --> 00:35:02.330 Pamela Thompson: about a typical transition, and what happens with each transition, and each transition has an ending, a neutral zone and a new beginning. And there's work associated with each of these, as I mentioned before. And
00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:08.019 Pamela Thompson: so the work of the ending, the end of the job, the end of a relationship.
00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:13.110 Pamela Thompson: the the end of living in one place and moving to another is
00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:14.970 Pamela Thompson: letting go
00:35:15.060 --> 00:35:19.630 Pamela Thompson: relationship, letting go of anger, letting go of your status as a couple letting go of
00:35:19.710 --> 00:35:26.070 Pamela Thompson: could be your your financial security, for example. And I've also added to William Bridges work
00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.379 Pamela Thompson: identifying lessons. Land.
00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:45.440 Pamela Thompson: if you were in a relationship, and the person wasn't a very good communicator. Well, the next time around you want a really good communicator, perhaps right. For example, right? Yeah, if you, if you've gone, you know, gone after positions for the money.
00:35:45.620 --> 00:36:02.700 Pamela Thompson: and then you end up getting bored after 2 or 3 years. Well, maybe you need to. Then look at your passions and choose something related to your passions, and cultivate. Cultivate the courage to step into that. Yeah. So the ending, the work, letting go and
00:36:02.710 --> 00:36:19.050 Pamela Thompson: and identifying lessons learned, and then the work of that neutral zone which is the scariest place. It's also the opportunity to be creative is that you get clear, and you envision that relationship, that career, that life of your dreams right.
00:36:19.710 --> 00:36:38.580 Pamela Thompson: and then the next one is the new beginning, where you take action, what you envision in the in the middle phase there. And so yeah, and and this works one on one with clients. I do. I do it one in one with coaching clients. It also works with groups, and it works with leaders in their teams, particularly before, or they're just starting
00:36:38.590 --> 00:36:50.509 Pamela Thompson: on on a a change process. Because what it does is it enables people to identify how they typically respond to change, and then rumble as breading around, would say, rumble about it.
00:36:50.520 --> 00:37:11.209 Pamela Thompson: and it's not about If i'm a 9 or a 10, and you're a 5, then i'm better than you. It's about okay, opening up the opportunity to discuss. How can we support you when you go through this change? Because you will probably need more support than we will, or I will, because I love, change. It's not your jam, but it's my jam. So how can we support you, and you open up that rather than
00:37:11.220 --> 00:37:19.269 Pamela Thompson: pulling people kicking and screening, creaming. And you're wondering why they're so angry. Well, because they it really bothers them. It's really hard for them, right?
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:28.949 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah. Just learning to be really curious about each other and present to one another and empathetic and compassionate. You know, all of those things. This is a perfect one
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:47.750 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: perfect seg into feminine wave of change, because women are so brill at that. That's a feminine leadership. Thank you. Actually, i'm not going to put words in your mouth. I mean let you. I answer that. But that would be my my understanding. So tell us about this?
00:37:47.760 --> 00:38:06.239 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: What's the name of it? Whereas, though the that female wave of change organization that you are a part of it's a global organization, i'll let you take tickets? Yes, it is, but thank you for the opportunity. It's an organization that was founded by a woman called Ingan Bull in the Netherlands about 6 years ago.
00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:17.449 Pamela Thompson: and she had been in management leadership her backgrounds in engineering, and realized that many times she was sent on leadership and management training there wasn't anything related to her role as a woman.
00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:29.419 Pamela Thompson: and you know she's laughed when her early 40 she left corporate, and she's she did international consulting, and she realized, anyway. So she did. It, did a lot of work around the world, and then came back, and then
00:38:30.090 --> 00:38:35.979 Pamela Thompson: she was in the Netherlands and was asked to coordinate a conference, or she got the idea that
00:38:36.090 --> 00:38:37.839 Pamela Thompson: she wanted women
00:38:38.060 --> 00:38:41.499 Pamela Thompson: to reshape the future and accelerate change for a better world.
00:38:41.570 --> 00:39:01.099 Pamela Thompson: And so, in order to get this workshop or this this conference off the ground, she found it a foundation called Female Wave of Change, anyway. So that's how it happened initially, and she changed her profile on Linkedin, and within a very short space of time these women, from all of the world on touch and said, this is amazing. How can we be part of this?
00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:17.580 Pamela Thompson: So, anyway, I met England on Linkedin in 2,018, and we have sped call. That was kind of more the thing than zoom then, and we realized we had a lot in common. So we kept on each other's. Radar and I had a radio show in 2,019 called the Art of Change.
00:39:17.590 --> 00:39:27.710 Pamela Thompson: I interviewed inspiring women leaders and change because from around the world, Of course, I interviewed England, and I was just amazed. In a year she had grown organically her organization. It was in 20 countries.
00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:32.929 Pamela Thompson: anyway. We stayed on each other's radar and in just before
00:39:33.090 --> 00:39:41.049 Pamela Thompson: Covid hit. She got in touch with me, and she said we knew it need a new ambassador for British Columbia. Do you know anybody?
00:39:42.200 --> 00:39:53.490 Pamela Thompson: And then, anyway. So it ended up. She interviewed me along the short to you. Interview me with one of her board members at the end of the and you, said Pam, we'd like like you to be ambassador for Canada female, where to change
00:39:53.540 --> 00:40:12.120 Pamela Thompson: as you mean. PC. Don't you British club yet. No no, Canada. So I said, Well, I have to think about that one, anyway. So I officially joined, like March twentieth at 20, you know, just after Covid hit, and one of the one of what one of them the key. Well, I meant to build the community in Canada.
00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:23.930 Pamela Thompson: and they also I was committed to creating a legal entity. So, after doing some research and getting support for research, I found it female wave of change. Canada, as a national nonprofit in December of 20
00:40:23.970 --> 00:40:24.930 Pamela Thompson: 20,
00:40:25.160 --> 00:40:33.029 Pamela Thompson: and we had our first. We have monthly meetings with featured guests that I, co-create or one of my board members co-creat with the future guests. Very
00:40:33.110 --> 00:40:49.789 Pamela Thompson: what you're engaging. I love facilitating. And so I like to make interactive design interactive events. We have collective wisdom circles where women get together around a talk at topic of interest, like dealing with change and uncertainty
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.069 Pamela Thompson: for an hour and a half every month, and there's a different facilitator each month.
00:40:54.100 --> 00:41:07.700 Pamela Thompson: We have 5 pillars where we develop initiatives, economy, education, environment, health, and humanity, and on group of us help created myself and 5 other group members
00:41:07.970 --> 00:41:22.429 Pamela Thompson: co-created the becoming a Mother Earth Ambassador Project, which is a project and experiential outdoor education program for girls ages 9 to 12 to teach them about the Mother Tree Mother Earth, and how to become ambassadors in their home schools and communities.
00:41:23.350 --> 00:41:37.069 Pamela Thompson: We're just moving into hopefully, piling that. So we are looking for sponsors to support us. We don't, we don't earn any money from the parent. We it's all a labor of love. This work that I do with the
00:41:37.080 --> 00:41:49.149 Pamela Thompson: But this is something that we've developed, and we have developed an amazing curriculum with the support of a curriculum development. So we just finished that off on December fifteenth, and we're planning to pilot it.
00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:59.040 Pamela Thompson: The program with a small group of girls from April to June, evaluate the pilot, and then, with partners, rolled it out across Canada across North America and beyond.
00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:18.500 Pamela Thompson: because this is the world, and it also integrates these leadership, family, and leadership qualities, because we liken the mother tree in the forest, because you know, they they they're all about building community being compassionate. If one tree is dying.
00:42:18.510 --> 00:42:20.759 Pamela Thompson: Oh, yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing.
00:42:20.890 --> 00:42:35.070 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, okay. So whoever's out there listening that knows of sponsorship for this clarion call to to be in touch with Pamela Thompson so
00:42:35.080 --> 00:42:44.680 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we will, of course, give all of your contact information in the show notes. But what is the website for female wave of change? Canada?
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:49.929 Pamela Thompson: It is Fwo C. Canadacom
00:42:50.010 --> 00:42:55.999 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: absolutely. So. I noticed that
00:42:56.570 --> 00:43:01.560 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: nothing's really happening in the United States with this organization.
00:43:02.600 --> 00:43:04.339 Pamela Thompson: You're right. Not a lot.
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:11.789 Pamela Thompson: There was. There was someone in it wasn't. They never had one for the whole State, because that's really really big, right?
00:43:12.050 --> 00:43:33.470 Pamela Thompson: No difference for you. Well, you got a larger population base we have. We? We have a bunch of different countries in this. There was a New York for a while, but then she really had to pay attention to her family and her business. So there's not a lot of States know that have. Yeah, that are part of this.
00:43:33.520 --> 00:43:40.259 Pamela Thompson: It's more European countries and African countries, South Africa, Namibia like.
00:43:40.730 --> 00:43:57.949 Pamela Thompson: And we also have a leadership development program called Women Leading and Change and I'm. On the Faculty, i'm. Honored to be on the faculty, and it's a virtual leadership development program that is run out of female wave of change, global. And there's faculty from all over the world and students from all over the world. So
00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:59.390 it's very amazing.
00:44:00.030 --> 00:44:06.619 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Wow! Well, there so many folks listening in so many glorious ways to understand
00:44:06.660 --> 00:44:07.770 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: the art
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.700 of change
00:44:09.720 --> 00:44:12.209 here on our planet.
00:44:12.720 --> 00:44:14.219 We have to go to break
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.489 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: when we come back with Pablo.
00:44:17.540 --> 00:44:22.189 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I want to. Of course we're going to find out what's next for her.
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.080 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and
00:44:24.550 --> 00:44:29.510 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Maybe we'll ask her some fun questions. Get a little bit more information on
00:44:29.670 --> 00:44:40.119 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: on a couple of her other books. She says she has one other book, but she actually has 2 other books other than the exploits of Minerva. She is
00:44:40.520 --> 00:44:45.610 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, i'm not going to ramble on about it 1 s longer. I'm going to go to break. And then we're gonna
00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:47.820 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: open up with that when we come back
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:53.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: on the edge of every day with Pamela Thompson stay tuned
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00:46:57.970 --> 00:47:01.209 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and we are back with Pamela Thompson. So
00:47:02.060 --> 00:47:11.099 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I definitely want to touch on quickly your other 2 books. You are a contributing author to
00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:13.020 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Hot Women Rock.
00:47:13.240 --> 00:47:21.039 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: With that was put together by Pat Duckworth, who used to have a show here on talk radio and Nyc.
00:47:21.560 --> 00:47:24.739 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So what's the name of the chapter that you have in that.
00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:37.569 Pamela Thompson: Oh, you know what I can't remember. Oh, it's all good, because the reason i'm asking is I remember it. It relates to learning to dance with life.
00:47:37.580 --> 00:47:46.410 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: I love learning to dance with life. I love that idea. I love the the the metaphor, the creative metaphor of
00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:50.289 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: of how you relate to creating your life.
00:47:51.140 --> 00:47:56.780 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Thank you. Yeah. And so I I assuming just quickly, that book is about
00:47:58.310 --> 00:48:16.939 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: you. Are you talking about Hot Women Rock? No, i'm talking about learning to dance with life. It came out of me burning out after being in Afghanistan for 13 months and see see folks. This is why we need more than 1 h, I mean. Come on. She just drops that in the last quarter
00:48:17.180 --> 00:48:33.610 Pamela Thompson: I've been working for a non profit for a year, doing the work of too many people at the same time. Anyway. Yes, it came out of that, and it had. I introduced the concept of what I call creative living.
00:48:33.620 --> 00:48:39.080 Pamela Thompson: the conscious cultivation of improved health, happiness, fulfillment, and inner piece in your life.
00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:44.550 Pamela Thompson: and there are 7 keys to creative living, the first one being listened to and trust in your body's wisdom.
00:48:44.830 --> 00:49:03.699 Pamela Thompson: And then there's a number of practical strategies woven throughout. When I was writing the book, Sandra, I also was facilitating a virtual group coaching program called Staying healthy and body minded spirit while living your passion. And so a lot of the exercises and questions from that group coaching program are woven through the book.
00:49:03.710 --> 00:49:19.329 Pamela Thompson: There's also a workbook that goes goes with it, or a playbook, whatever you I like to keep everything in the same place if you want to, for your journaling and all that sort of stuff. So yeah, I I also interviewed women from 3 different
00:49:19.390 --> 00:49:20.629 Pamela Thompson: continents.
00:49:20.660 --> 00:49:26.519 Pamela Thompson: who I perceive for high achieving women, and to validate attributes of high-teching women. So the first
00:49:26.730 --> 00:49:36.269 Pamela Thompson: then as a book talks about the attributes of high teaching women, and you get to check off how many of you have, and you don't have to have them. All those people have 5, but the big ones are
00:49:36.330 --> 00:49:38.900 Pamela Thompson: being more, you need to
00:49:39.050 --> 00:49:45.370 Pamela Thompson: do more than be and give more than be so. If you do more than B, and give more of them. Receive.
00:49:45.520 --> 00:49:52.659 Pamela Thompson: and you're very hard on yourself. You tend to, maybe have perfectionistic tendencies. These are the ones that sort of came up most.
00:49:52.720 --> 00:50:12.320 Pamela Thompson: So, anyway. So a lot of people. Aren't. You know they don't have their own businesses. They're not the Hillary Clinton of the world, but they they really have a lot of these qualities. So when you look at those that list, you might be surprised, anyway. But it it really is an opportunity for people to
00:50:12.340 --> 00:50:22.430 Pamela Thompson: there. There's just so much stress, and we try and work so hard, and many of us were raised from families where you kept the goal. My dad is like, he used to say, Pam, you know
00:50:22.640 --> 00:50:40.070 Pamela Thompson: you can do more. One more. You know one more link between the docks at the cottage. You can do it, Pam. One more right, which is beautiful, and it means that you feel like you always have to keep striving. So it's a journey right? And so this is a real journey meant to support women
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:44.979 Pamela Thompson: to have more balance in their life.
00:50:45.180 --> 00:51:04.920 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, no, I totally. And and this I, the the weaving together of all of your work, and how it just supports the the birthing of the new feminine leadership, the birthing of the divine feminine in a more balanced way for women to be stepping forward into
00:51:04.930 --> 00:51:18.589 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: a more powerful understanding of balance for themselves and setting down, you know, with all the Di and de I work we're doing when white women setting down their perfectionism, and and just
00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:25.129 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: so much the the timeliness and beauty of all your work.
00:51:25.230 --> 00:51:28.349 the culmination of it is just extraordinary.
00:51:28.580 --> 00:51:48.069 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, thank you. I am glad you get it's wonderful that you get it. I'm not sure everyone does so. I appreciate that excellent well, and I also it it the the creative again back to the creative metaphor. I really love that because and I it how it lines up with change as a creative process. I love
00:51:48.080 --> 00:51:56.329 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: that you are very forthright in that on your website, in the understanding that yeah, life is creative.
00:51:56.680 --> 00:52:01.879 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Our Our internal work is also creative.
00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:05.439 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and that that there's a real emphasis on that.
00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:16.040 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Okay? So we're i'm going to start letting every helping everyone to know again where they can find you
00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:27.120 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: talking about what what you offer on your website, your your speaking engagements, your workshops, your one on one client work.
00:52:27.240 --> 00:52:36.850 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: your 3 books, the the the recent one exploits of Minerva. All of that you can find links to
00:52:36.870 --> 00:52:43.059 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: places where you can purchase the books and information about all of that on your website, which is
00:52:44.260 --> 00:52:45.319 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Pamela
00:52:45.620 --> 00:52:58.950 Pamela Thompson: thompson.com. Yeah, our panelists? Yeah. And it's it's the wet one in Scotland, they say, are you wet or a drive? Thompson? It's the one with the P.
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:01.089 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: It's cute
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:03.549 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: very cute. I'm gonna steal that back.
00:53:04.060 --> 00:53:06.339 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And then
00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:12.419 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: then female wave of change we gave that. That will be in the notes.
00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:23.819 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So Minerva just came out, so it might be insane for me to ask you. I mean we don't have a ton of time. But but what! What are your hopes for this book, and what's next for you?
00:53:25.780 --> 00:53:28.080 Pamela Thompson: Well, i'm. I'm hopeful this book.
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:34.490 Pamela Thompson: Well, so millions of copies. That's what I'm hopeful to you. All right, Boom, my too.
00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:49.050 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: and i'm sorry. What's your next question? And what's what do you do? You have a plan for? What's next for you like a a next project, or what's percolating it Just Are you navigating right now
00:53:49.180 --> 00:53:57.489 Pamela Thompson: what you should ask? My next project is going to be a historical fiction novel with the backdrop of Afghanistan
00:53:58.680 --> 00:53:59.500 by my
00:53:59.720 --> 00:54:03.349 Pamela Thompson: so that that's it. And I also have designed
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:15.859 Pamela Thompson: a group coaching program related to women midlife and beyond reinventing themselves. I'm just I haven't it's sort of in the background, because I really want to focus on creating, doing this book
00:54:15.890 --> 00:54:23.989 Pamela Thompson: and promoting the books that I have. However, that is also something that I have created, and I I I feel there's a need for it.
00:54:24.130 --> 00:54:34.009 Pamela Thompson: And all this to say. I did say a 1 million copies. But the main reason is, I feel the messages in in in my books are really relevant to to women
00:54:34.050 --> 00:54:35.519 Pamela Thompson: as well as men.
00:54:35.600 --> 00:54:49.570 Pamela Thompson: and we need to talk about these things. So the other thing i'm going to put on my website soon, or have my assistant to is some book club questions because I feel like this. The experts in the nerve is an excellent book for book clubs
00:54:49.710 --> 00:55:00.450 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to get. Let me talk about things they Normally, don't talk about right? I thought that. Yes, I thought that doing my online reading about it that it would make a fantastic book club. Yeah book.
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:06.040 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: do you? Is there maybe a a workbook that you might create
00:55:06.170 --> 00:55:07.350 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: to go with it
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:08.859 Ultimately, someday.
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:10.429 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: add it to your list of
00:55:10.680 --> 00:55:13.410 things i'll create in in in
00:55:13.690 --> 00:55:26.519 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: when I get a spare moment. Do you mean a workbook to go with the exploits from a nervous? I haven't even thought about that. But you've planted a. So yeah, even, you know, like a journal to go with it
00:55:26.710 --> 00:55:31.230 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: something to you know that it's sort of guide people in in book clubs.
00:55:31.680 --> 00:55:40.609 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Yeah, an idea, as we say here in New York. Well, thank you for that.
00:55:40.770 --> 00:55:43.710 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Well, we have come to the end of our show.
00:55:44.240 --> 00:56:02.560 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: And so, Pamela, I I thank you so much for sharing your astounding work, your commitment to uplifting people, women in particular, but all people around the globe. Thank you for spending an hour with me and our listeners.
00:56:03.570 --> 00:56:10.380 Pamela Thompson: Thank you so much for the opportunity. I've totally enjoyed it, and I I really appreciate you sharing
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:17.180 Pamela Thompson: with your audience, my stories, but also my gifts and the organizations that I'm involved in.
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:18.240 Oh.
00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:20.619 a complete and deep pleasure.
00:56:21.500 --> 00:56:29.790 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: So before I say goodbye to my listeners to. You have one last nugget of anything you want to leave with our listeners.
00:56:37.660 --> 00:56:40.899 Pamela Thompson: Life is an adventure to be lived in the fullest.
00:56:42.530 --> 00:56:44.239 Pamela Thompson: If you believe that
00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:51.020 Pamela Thompson: the world is your oyster, and you will do things beyond your wildest streams.
00:56:53.090 --> 00:57:02.600 Sandra Bargman | The Edge of Everyday: Amen! Beautifully, said Pamela. Thank you, and for those of you who are listening in. Thank you for spending this hour with us.
00:57:02.810 --> 00:57:03.959 Remember.
00:57:04.250 --> 00:57:08.409 you are always at the edge of the miraculous.
00:57:08.510 --> 00:57:10.500 See you next week. Thank you.