1. How does environmental justice intersect with other social justice movements?
2. What role do frontline communities play in the environmental justice movement?
3. Why do we all need environmental justice? How does this movement benefit all of us?
4. What is an Intentional Community?
Taylor Jaffe is the Environmental Justice Coordinator at Catskill Mountainkeeper. From food access and security to understanding the distribution of environmental benefits and burdens in the Catskill region, Taylor brings a community-focused lens to her work. In addition to environmental justice work.
Cal Trumann has worked in the environmental conservation and clean energy sectors since 2006. They specialize in breaking down complex issues to make them accessible to non-experts and bringing a dynamic, intersectional lens to conversations about the climate. They are the Education & Careers Coordinator for New Yorkers for Clean Power, a statewide collaborative campaign to rapidly shift to a clean energy economy without leaving anybody behind.
Sandra starts by explaining the purpose of The Edge of Everyday which is to explore our rough edges. She then introduces her guests, Cal Trumann, who has worked in the environmental conservation and clean energy sectors since 2006, and Taylor Jaffe who is the Environmental Justice Coordinator at Catskill Mountainkeeper. Sandra talks about meeting both of them through the Climate Cabaret. Taylor and Cal talk about their experience speaking and performing at the Climate Cabaret. Cal mentions the importance of the arts in social justice movements. Taylor speaks about how she tries to make a difference without feeling the immense overwhelm of the climate crisis and Cal echoes this by giving examples of how people can help at various levels. Taylor talks about growing up in the Catskills on a farm and how that led her to the work she does today. Cal talks about their upbringing in Maine and how seeing rural poverty and living around nature led to their interest in climate justice work.
Taylor talks about her work with Catskill Mountainkeeper and what environmental justice is. She talks about some of the burdens in environmental justice such as landfills and air pollution. Cal talks about climate justice being an aspect of environmental justice. They then talk about the impact of the actions of the global north disproportionately impacting the global south. They then move on to how climate justice intersects with other movements such as the feminist movement and racial justice movement.
Taylor talks about the role that frontline communities, which are the communities living with environmental burdens, play in the environmental justice movement. She says that those people are the ones who have the solutions to the problems they are facing. She talks about using social media to lift up those voices. Cal talks about the relationship between cultural destruction and environmental loss. Cal talks about their intentional community which is a group of people who decide to live together and take care of each other on purpose. Cal lives in a group of five people who live together as a family and they all share expenses and duties. They recommend the book Building a Life Together to anyone looking to start an intentional community. Taylor and Cal give examples of ways people can make more environmentally friendly choices in their everyday lives.
Cal talks about getting an energy audit to see where energy is being used and wasted in your building. New Yorkers for Clean Power has clean energy coaches that you can set up a call with to get advice on saving energy. This can be found at www.nyforcleanpower.org. Taylor talks about the webinars that are held by Catskill Mountainkeeper which can be found at www.catskillmountainkeeper.org. Taylor speaks about the frustration and overwhelm that she shares with many young people in regards to the climate crisis. She also talks about the importance of processing those emotions and taking action. Cal talks about being climate anxious before most people were and growing up in a time when most young people were less aware of the climate crisis than they are now. They also mention that many people are doing work to make sure that the future is livable for today’s youth. Sandra mentions the importance of getting involved and voting. Taylor encourages people to buy less food from companies that are putting money towards hurting the environment. Cal encourages people to take action instead of just thinking about taking action.
00:00:05.700 --> 00:00:07.770 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Welcome everyone i'm Sandra bargman.
00:00:08.790 --> 00:00:19.080 www.TalkRadio.nyc: A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the edge of every day, which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions, we all face and grapple with.
00:00:20.040 --> 00:00:28.410 www.TalkRadio.nyc: The show hit a nerve and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time, more than I could have seen So here we are.
00:00:29.190 --> 00:00:40.770 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Real talk with real people sharing stories and perspectives that spark bucket of invitations to leap out of what's the thing on the edge of everything thanks for listening.
00:00:42.210 --> 00:00:56.700 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: You know man Hello everyone, we are live in the hi, thank you for joining me on this, the 36th episode of the edge of every day here on talk radio dot nyc.
00:00:57.660 --> 00:01:11.640 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: For those of you who are tuning in for the first time and for those of you who don't know me yet I encourage you to check out my bio on talk radio dot nyc or, of course, you can visit my website Sandra barge mint.com.
00:01:12.240 --> 00:01:22.680 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And please tune into any of my previous episodes with my inspiring guests in a nutshell, this show is about celebrating triumphs.
00:01:23.160 --> 00:01:35.130 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations and shared stories with friends and colleagues it's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges.
00:01:35.850 --> 00:01:57.450 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful those places where we are resistant to change those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and understandings both about ourselves and the world around us those places where we don't want to look.
00:01:58.530 --> 00:02:08.370 Listen, we live in turbulent times and we are coming to understand that life simply isn't black or white, it must be an embrace of both.
00:02:08.760 --> 00:02:23.910 And the more we recognize our own edges and get real about them, the more we can help others to do the same, and that I fully believe can help to change the world so thanks again for tuning in.
00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:29.760 And without further ado it's time to introduce our guests this evening.
00:02:31.050 --> 00:02:37.080 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Taylor jaffe is an environmental justice coordinator at the catskill mountain keeper.
00:02:37.890 --> 00:02:46.380 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: From food access and security to understanding the distribution of environmental benefits and burdens in the catskill region.
00:02:46.920 --> 00:03:00.810 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Taylor brings a Community focused lens to her work in addition to environmental justice work Taylor lives and works on snow dance farm in Sullivan county New York with her family.
00:03:01.470 --> 00:03:13.320 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: The mission of this family owned farm is to raise the finest poultry and meats possible by being environmentally friendly socially responsible and customer focused.
00:03:14.190 --> 00:03:32.280 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Taylor enjoys writing and performing music, you can find out more about her work and music, including her debut EP freefall via her instagram at Taylor see jaffe and on her website, which we will provide in the show notes.
00:03:34.050 --> 00:03:42.930 cal Truman is a climate justice advocate operating out of a transgender intentional community in the mid Hudson Valley.
00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:51.930 They come from a rural working class background, with over 15 years and environmental field work and solar energy.
00:03:52.590 --> 00:04:04.620 Experiences in resource extractive communities and extreme weather disaster relief underpin their commitment to implementing alternatives to fossil fuel power.
00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:20.160 from northern maine to appalachia they have facilitated environmental conversations in communities across the northeastern us grounded in an ethics of Labor racial and gender equity.
00:04:21.390 --> 00:04:31.890 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: From leading children science workshops to training activists to installing solar panels, their experience in many different aspects of climate education.
00:04:32.190 --> 00:04:41.580 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Conservation and justice gives them a broad skill set to connect with individuals and communities and empower them to join the movement.
00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:56.550 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: They are the education and careers coordinator for new Yorkers for clean power, a statewide collaborative campaign to rapidly shift to a clean energy economy without leaving anyone behind.
00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:13.560 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: They specialize in breaking down complex issues, to make them accessible to non experts and bringing a dynamic intersection a lens to conversations about the climate hello, and welcome cow and Taylor.
00:05:16.860 --> 00:05:20.190 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: it's great to see you both thanks for coming on tonight.
00:05:21.180 --> 00:05:23.100 Taylor Jaffe: Thank you for having us it's great to be here.
00:05:24.330 --> 00:05:41.160 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Yes, yes, yes, well, I like to start my my my podcasts with how I know my guests, and I am pleased as punch is this say to share that I know you both through earth intention.
00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:56.910 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: A climate cabaret that we produced at the plum here in the catskills might sell on space, the plum I Taylor I heard about you or actually learned of you through watching a mountain keeper video.
00:05:57.930 --> 00:05:58.740 And cow.
00:06:00.150 --> 00:06:23.430 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I got your name, I think it was through yes, it was through Sean tall bilodeau my partner and who learned of the exquisite work that you're doing, and we were thrilled to have you join us for the climate cabaret so uh how was that for you to how was being a part of that.
00:06:24.450 --> 00:06:32.820 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And to let that let everyone know they they were speakers and and Taylor also sang and if I had known that cow saying I.
00:06:36.030 --> 00:06:41.820 Cal Trumann (they/them): don't really saying it was very nice to be there and i'm relieved I wasn't singing because I would have been a lot more nervous.
00:06:43.830 --> 00:06:50.760 Cal Trumann (they/them): Oh absolutely yes, you look to you as smooth as ever so but, but I do, I was thrilled to learn that you did you did.
00:06:52.350 --> 00:07:10.170 Taylor Jaffe: And how about you Taylor How was the experience for you, it is awesome I am you know I definitely love doing this environmental justice work and I love music and singing so as soon as you reached out and had a connect for both was like this is great yeah a little match made in heaven.
00:07:10.590 --> 00:07:15.330 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Well, what about what was your takeaway from the event in terms of of.
00:07:16.380 --> 00:07:25.800 Speaking with people speaking with the other cast Members speaking with with some of the audience Members what was your takeaway from from being a part of that.
00:07:28.710 --> 00:07:35.370 Cal Trumann (they/them): For me um I have put a lot of thought into the role of the arts and social movement.
00:07:36.780 --> 00:07:44.010 Cal Trumann (they/them): And in the past have taught about the role of music, specifically in social justice movements, especially in like.
00:07:44.790 --> 00:07:53.580 Cal Trumann (they/them): The history of the United States and so having that connection made very deliberately seemed like.
00:07:54.330 --> 00:08:05.730 Cal Trumann (they/them): I was excited to be part of it and also i'm glad to see more of it, because I think that folks are a little bit confused about what to do in this moment of intersecting crises and.
00:08:06.540 --> 00:08:21.000 Cal Trumann (they/them): You know folks who have skills in places like the arts, I think, often feel like their work is not meaningful, when in fact it's extremely meaningful and necessary for any kind of cultural change which what we're talking about requires beautiful.
00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:29.370 Taylor Jaffe: so beautiful yeah the power of music and the power of storytelling how about you Taylor yeah I really want to echo what you said cal I mean.
00:08:30.090 --> 00:08:37.500 Taylor Jaffe: I think just you know talking from folks who attended and watched and then also the cast it was so clear to.
00:08:38.010 --> 00:08:45.420 Taylor Jaffe: really feel all of that emotion that we have around climate change in the climate crisis, but you know, as you said, cow.
00:08:46.410 --> 00:09:01.050 Taylor Jaffe: Just bringing music into that and bringing art into that is really a way that I felt empowered personally and it, you know kind of like a will kick in the butt to like you know doing more and and really be able to get our message out that way.
00:09:02.280 --> 00:09:19.950 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: yeah it's it's um i've had a few environmental discussions that intersect with the power of the storytelling and engaging people's emotions through storytelling and storytelling of music and how getting moving pushing people out of overwhelm.
00:09:20.310 --> 00:09:24.180 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Which is always my biggest takeaway and i'm always.
00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:39.000 I personally feel overwhelmed and I I rest assured that everyone, and I, you know put more energy into this than the average layperson I mean i'm certainly not the two i'm not you all but.
00:09:40.020 --> 00:09:40.440 You know.
00:09:41.460 --> 00:09:51.900 So so speak to us about how you feel how the two how did you both move yourselves out of that.
00:09:53.700 --> 00:09:54.990 edging up with that overwhelm.
00:09:56.400 --> 00:10:01.800 Taylor Jaffe: huh yes, that you see in all of the people that ut yeah.
00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:17.820 Taylor Jaffe: yeah that's a good question, I mean there's a lot of different ways to kind of navigate that I think for me personally, you know, reminding myself, that this is what i'm doing, and this is what I love doing is a great way to you know feel like.
00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:26.970 Taylor Jaffe: motion is happening, the movement is happening, but you know it's it's something that's in every single part of our day, so you know.
00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:35.250 Taylor Jaffe: As much as I can educate myself to make you know good consumer choices and and those tiny shifts that for.
00:10:35.820 --> 00:10:41.730 Taylor Jaffe: me feel like a difference and as much as I can you know tell my friends that that feels good and.
00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:54.780 Taylor Jaffe: bottom line, though, is you know it's going to take a lot more than just me it's um you know we've got some corporations out there that can really take on a little more responsibility can step up and change how about you count.
00:10:55.620 --> 00:11:09.120 Cal Trumann (they/them): As far as dealing with the overwhelm I think I there's a different answer if it's my own overwhelm or others, I think the the best approach for dealing for sort of encouraging.
00:11:10.020 --> 00:11:15.210 Cal Trumann (they/them): Another person who's feeling overwhelmed about the climate crisis is first of all to acknowledge, of course, it's overwhelming.
00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:26.310 Cal Trumann (they/them): it's not that you're doing something wrong, it is an overwhelming situation, this is, you know, a geologic scale problem that is beyond any one person's ability to be effective and so that is overwhelming.
00:11:26.790 --> 00:11:33.150 Cal Trumann (they/them): And so what you have to do is, you have to find the right level of zoom in and out to where you can be effective.
00:11:33.450 --> 00:11:41.910 Cal Trumann (they/them): And sometimes that is things like making a change in your individual House can you be, can you install solar panels at your House Maybe you can Maybe you can.
00:11:42.300 --> 00:11:49.830 Cal Trumann (they/them): Can you ride your bicycle to work, maybe you can Maybe you can and then zoom out one level to your community can your neighborhood.
00:11:50.250 --> 00:11:54.090 Cal Trumann (they/them): You know, do something can your school do something can your workplace do something.
00:11:54.750 --> 00:12:01.560 Cal Trumann (they/them): You have that third level which is like municipal can your town change the policies can you go to a City Hall meeting.
00:12:01.770 --> 00:12:07.050 Cal Trumann (they/them): and get you know renewable energy for all of the major buildings intent like finding the steps and then.
00:12:07.290 --> 00:12:17.910 Cal Trumann (they/them): The top level of that fourth level is national, essentially because that's like the biggest level at which I, as a person might be effective or someone I know might know someone who could have the ear.
00:12:18.180 --> 00:12:26.070 Cal Trumann (they/them): Of a senator you know so it's about finding the right level of zoom where you can be effective and seeing what you can do at any of those levels.
00:12:28.020 --> 00:12:33.780 Cal Trumann (they/them): And for myself personally it's about reminding myself of that and taking a break from the news once.
00:12:35.760 --> 00:12:49.560 Taylor Jaffe: yeah like staying connected to help, of course, that was you know, a constant discussion between Sean tall and I always staying connected to the internal hope and not not giving into.
00:12:52.110 --> 00:13:00.150 Its i'm not making a difference, or all of us aren't making a difference, or this is just too big, so thank you Those are all great great great.
00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:10.740 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: ideas and suggestions okay so Taylor you grew up on a farm and your parents are both from the city and.
00:13:11.070 --> 00:13:12.720 Taylor Jaffe: decided to come up and farm.
00:13:14.160 --> 00:13:14.580 Taylor Jaffe: yeah.
00:13:14.910 --> 00:13:15.690 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: what's that about.
00:13:16.380 --> 00:13:16.860 Taylor Jaffe: trap me.
00:13:19.050 --> 00:13:25.800 Taylor Jaffe: know so until I was about three I was born in Manhattan and we lived there until I was three and.
00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:37.530 Taylor Jaffe: You know, following 911 my parents, we had a weekend house in the catskills and livingston manner and following the crash the twin towers my parents it's really a reset they.
00:13:38.160 --> 00:13:49.890 Taylor Jaffe: wanted to they wanted to raise my brother, and I really because you know memories from before I really nannies a little bit so we moved full time to our weekend home and.
00:13:50.970 --> 00:13:59.820 Taylor Jaffe: My dad who grew up watching little house on the prairie was just under the impression that the only thing people did in the country was farm, so we yeah.
00:14:00.660 --> 00:14:10.230 Taylor Jaffe: We talked to a bunch of farmers and after you know kind of going through what wasn't going to work on the side of a mountain, which is you know, vegetables and what wasn't going to work personally.
00:14:10.830 --> 00:14:18.390 Taylor Jaffe: You know, cattle, for example, dairy little difficult we settled primarily on poultry and just grew from there.
00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:23.760 Taylor Jaffe: And so obvious i'm you know the obvious question is that you.
00:14:24.390 --> 00:14:37.410 Taylor Jaffe: you're growing up on the land and and having a family that all worked together in such simpatico with the land and in harmony with it as led you to this work, would you agree.
00:14:38.070 --> 00:14:48.060 Taylor Jaffe: Absolutely, I mean there are so many little instances of culture shock I had growing up and going to school and you know meeting friends who.
00:14:49.170 --> 00:15:06.060 Taylor Jaffe: Maybe didn't get a chance to work with their family or didn't even you know have breakfast all together so certainly moments of culture shock and very glad for this experiment, that is, you know ongoing that my parents and buck done beautiful and cow.
00:15:07.590 --> 00:15:13.260 How did you grow up and how did you come to the climate work that you are doing hmm.
00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:18.360 Cal Trumann (they/them): Well, I grew up in maine from the time I was pretty small.
00:15:19.980 --> 00:15:24.390 Cal Trumann (they/them): Initially northern maine and then I went to high school in western maine and.
00:15:25.590 --> 00:15:33.810 Cal Trumann (they/them): The communities that I lived in or had a lot of rural poverty, which is very different than urban poverty, you know I had a classmate.
00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:49.380 Cal Trumann (they/them): In high school who he and his mother lived in a tent through the winter one year, you know, like it was pretty severe in some areas, and so I think, seeing that gave me a really good basis of comparison, for my own, you know relative ease.
00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:59.220 Cal Trumann (they/them): And I think also growing up in places that were very beautiful and.
00:16:01.050 --> 00:16:03.360 Cal Trumann (they/them): That there wasn't a lot to do other than go outside.
00:16:05.730 --> 00:16:13.650 Cal Trumann (they/them): I think influenced my interest in being outside and I also you know, I was born in 85 so I grew up with.
00:16:15.300 --> 00:16:25.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): Captain planet and the planet tears, and I grew up with fern gully and I really took those kinds of like early 90s environments on messaging in mass media to heart.
00:16:26.670 --> 00:16:36.630 Cal Trumann (they/them): Which is it's really interesting how much that is totally disappeared, but that, as you know, as a small kid I was, I was into those like 5050 ways to save the earth kinds of books.
00:16:37.110 --> 00:16:47.250 Cal Trumann (they/them): And, as I got older I you know I didn't know what I wanted to do when I grew up but I had ideas about like what I wanted to help with and I wanted to help make sure that the world.
00:16:48.150 --> 00:16:54.870 Cal Trumann (they/them): that the Environment was protected so beautiful I found ways to do that here too beautiful that's beautiful and I want to pick up.
00:16:55.170 --> 00:17:10.710 Cal Trumann (they/them): When we come back after the break i'd like to pick up in that story and translate that into how you moved into your career and profession, when we come back with cow and Taylor on the edge of every day stay tuned.
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00:19:28.320 --> 00:19:42.930 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Talking about environmental justice talking about climate justice and all that that brings together before we dive into all of that, I would love cow to finish how that youth.
00:19:43.410 --> 00:19:53.880 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: of being very focused on the outdoors translate it moved you into your work, your professional work and career in the environmental world.
00:19:54.570 --> 00:20:09.150 Cal Trumann (they/them): Sure thing, let me try to be a little more concise essentially I went to college and needed a summer job and was looking for something that would keep me outside and happened to be lucky enough to.
00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:20.220 Cal Trumann (they/them): Land an internship at the nature conservancy as a conservation docent so I was doing habitat monitoring on a river and teaching people about leave no trace.
00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:31.950 Cal Trumann (they/them): I didn't study environmental science I studied languages, but after college, I did a year of americorps vista in appalachia in a community that had a lot of abandoned coal mines and.
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:37.860 Cal Trumann (they/them): probably be listening yeah yeah so heavily polluted water from these abandoned coal mines.
00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.850 Cal Trumann (they/them): I you know I did a handful of other seasonal.
00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:49.650 Cal Trumann (they/them): Environmental type jobs field work that sort of thing and eventually got sick of getting laid off every winter and doing these summer jobs and then not having a job in the winter.
00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:56.310 Cal Trumann (they/them): And I got trained up to install solar panels because that's your round work, so this is how I ended up installing solar.
00:20:57.180 --> 00:21:08.160 Cal Trumann (they/them): which I did for three or four years until I got injured, and then I had to pivot again, and at that point, I got into the education side of things, because I know how the industry works, and I know a lot about climate.
00:21:08.970 --> 00:21:13.170 Cal Trumann (they/them): And so, being able to take that and share it with people is is where that came from.
00:21:15.210 --> 00:21:16.980 beautiful and you're very gifted at it.
00:21:18.090 --> 00:21:30.900 Everyone that I spoke to about the two of you, you what the presentations that you gave went on and on about your passion and what they learned from the the very short presentations that you gave.
00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:50.550 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And I want to mention to everybody who's listening in my great excitement to have having young people on the show, I am really excited about your passion and how you share it okay so let's dive in but before we do, I have a.
00:21:53.280 --> 00:22:01.950 Interesting little quote here climate justice matters because we are in an era of racial and social reckoning.
00:22:04.080 --> 00:22:11.130 Taylor Jaffe: So yeah because environmental justice, this is the umbrella let's start with you Taylor tell us.
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:20.310 Taylor Jaffe: about your work with catskill mountain keeper how we can understand your work in the catskills in a broader sense.
00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:33.930 Taylor Jaffe: as it relates to environmental justice and what is environmental justice as it relates to the climate crisis there's just a few questions for you yeah feel free to give me an edge if i'm getting.
00:22:33.930 --> 00:22:34.680 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: All got on it.
00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:48.450 Taylor Jaffe: um yeah so I met catskill mountain keeper i've been there, a little bit over a year now and that work really started off with a need in a real desire to understand.
00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:59.130 Taylor Jaffe: What communities are in the catskill region and then what environmental benefits and burdens, there are so you know when we think of the catskills we we can think very clearly of those benefits the.
00:22:59.490 --> 00:23:09.900 Taylor Jaffe: You know, clean water, that flows to New York City are beautiful rivers mountains hiking all of that, but we don't always see those burdens, especially since it's such a rural place.
00:23:11.010 --> 00:23:22.080 Taylor Jaffe: So my work with mountain keeper really started off mapping and finding the intersection between those burdens and then communities of color and low income communities, especially.
00:23:23.070 --> 00:23:33.600 Taylor Jaffe: So from there and kind of this was guided by an environmental justice framework so to define environmental justice more broadly it's really a.
00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:45.990 Taylor Jaffe: lens or a framework that we can use to understand the intersection of racial difference and then environmental difference, so we talked about benefits and burdens that's really that environmental difference and then.
00:23:46.620 --> 00:23:55.980 Taylor Jaffe: You know, racial racial differences really the biggest thing that we see an environmental justice work, but certainly income plays a role there to, of course.
00:23:57.390 --> 00:24:04.620 Taylor Jaffe: And then you know thinking you know we've got our environmental justice umbrella, and then, if we zoom in on climate.
00:24:05.370 --> 00:24:14.700 Taylor Jaffe: we're kind of thinking of that as a zoom in because you know, in a perfect world climate will be good, the climate should be stable.
00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:23.610 Taylor Jaffe: And we won't be in a climate crisis, and even then, even if we weren't in a climate crisis, we could still think about environmental justice in terms of.
00:24:24.090 --> 00:24:34.950 Taylor Jaffe: How do these benefits and burdens overlap with our different communities, this is an example of a burden yeah great so a landfill is a burden that you know we've.
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.720 Taylor Jaffe: it's first of all, no one wants to live next to the landfill unsightly.
00:24:40.590 --> 00:24:51.030 Taylor Jaffe: And then there's so many other you know health impacts that it would have and ecological impacts as well, so that's one example of a burden another big one for environmental justice is.
00:24:51.480 --> 00:25:08.400 Taylor Jaffe: Air pollution, so this is a little bit more for urban areas and something that we see less than the catskills but um you know where buses buses are located things like that, where where we've got these bus stations often happens to be in black and brown communities, especially.
00:25:10.590 --> 00:25:18.690 Cal Trumann (they/them): Did I thank you for that and cow now weigh in for us on what climate justice is.
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:29.280 Cal Trumann (they/them): as it relates to environmental justice to speak more in depth about the nuances of environmental and climate justice sure so.
00:25:30.150 --> 00:25:35.310 Cal Trumann (they/them): To be to be clear climate justice is an aspect of environmental justice it's really.
00:25:35.850 --> 00:25:43.200 Cal Trumann (they/them): Using environmental justice as frameworks of looking for advantages and disadvantages and who receives what kind of outcomes.
00:25:43.590 --> 00:25:51.480 Cal Trumann (they/them): and applying that to the impacts of climate change, so the you know who lives in an urban heat island.
00:25:51.720 --> 00:26:02.010 Cal Trumann (they/them): You know what trees have street trees, or what sorry what streets have street trees in the city, so that their neighborhoods are cooler versus the neighborhoods that don't have trees, which are hotter who lives there.
00:26:02.580 --> 00:26:06.960 Cal Trumann (they/them): Again, the the bus depot question is also a good one.
00:26:07.650 --> 00:26:16.260 Cal Trumann (they/them): Who, who has to bear the burden of, for example, a gas power plant like rose 10 or Dan Scammer which are located in newburgh.
00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:24.240 Cal Trumann (they/them): versus you know who, who has to bear the burden of us a solar field with what is the burden of a solar field it's the view so.
00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:34.230 Cal Trumann (they/them): we're talking about relative advantages disadvantages that's that's sort of a smaller scale on a larger scale we're looking at the impact of essentially the actions of the global north.
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.150 Cal Trumann (they/them): disproportionately affecting the global South, so the United States, Canada.
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:46.560 Cal Trumann (they/them): China, you know, like we're talking about these large Europe or we're talking about large economies that have had a large climate impact yeah.
00:26:47.040 --> 00:26:54.060 Cal Trumann (they/them): And those impacts are disproportionately hitting countries that did not cause the harm and so we're talking about island nations that you know.
00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:00.840 Cal Trumann (they/them): Essentially, the global South taking that burden when they didn't cause the problem minor compared to the consumption that we have yeah.
00:27:01.260 --> 00:27:10.320 Cal Trumann (they/them): Well, this is a great segue into how does environmental justice intersect with other social justice movements cow let's start with you.
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:32.640 Cal Trumann (they/them): Sure, so um climate justice is a feminist issue globally, women are more heavily impacted by the impacts of climate change, whether that's because they tend to do more caretaking activities that cannot be relocated whether it's because they tend to do more of the.
00:27:34.530 --> 00:27:41.190 Cal Trumann (they/them): Cleaning like i'm sorry i'm thinking about stoves you know you use the stoves that have a lot of particulate matter in most of the world.
00:27:42.300 --> 00:27:54.480 Cal Trumann (they/them): That doesn't have high cleanliness stoves it's women who are doing, most of that work and so by improving to higher efficiency less carbon intensive cooking you can also improve women's health.
00:27:55.620 --> 00:28:02.730 Cal Trumann (they/them): In disasters it's usually women who have to take the children with them it's like very frequently that women are disproportionately impacted.
00:28:03.870 --> 00:28:12.420 Cal Trumann (they/them): In health and well being when there's climate disasters comment related natural disasters it's a racial issue for reasons that we've already sort of talked through.
00:28:13.530 --> 00:28:19.080 Cal Trumann (they/them): Where our facilities located where is being impacted you know who lives in low lying areas.
00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:27.720 Cal Trumann (they/them): You know you've got you've got rich people in their beach houses and then you've got folks living in the bayou and, like those are the two groups of people that you have living near the beach right so.
00:28:28.770 --> 00:28:36.570 Cal Trumann (they/them): If the folks who don't have a choice to move which also tends to be people who are poor, you know economically disadvantaged people so that's a.
00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:48.990 Cal Trumann (they/them): it's an economic justice issue you know yeah disabled or the old exactly all of these great if you're pregnant, if you have a disability, if you're young it's hard to get out of a death of a disaster zone yeah.
00:28:50.280 --> 00:29:01.620 Taylor Jaffe: Taylor do you want to add anything to this yeah I mean really what we're talking about here is a intersection ality so this idea in this framework where.
00:29:02.100 --> 00:29:12.390 Taylor Jaffe: You know race class gender and other individual characteristics of overlapping one another, so as we're thinking about environmental justice and climate justice.
00:29:13.020 --> 00:29:21.990 Taylor Jaffe: You know, we housing, for example, we can't think about that, without, especially in the United States thinking about redlining and these historic practices that have you know.
00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:36.780 Taylor Jaffe: been based upon race and gender and class and and that's really how we got to this moment and to get out of it, you know we're really going to have to address those root causes and those roots isms really.
00:29:38.610 --> 00:29:55.470 Taylor Jaffe: It justice and environmental justice won't really be able to happen without racial justice gender justice, you know all all of these it's also connected and that's that's really the opportunity that we have in this crisis yeah.
00:29:55.560 --> 00:30:04.290 Cal Trumann (they/them): If I may add something before the interview Sandra you mentioned a handful of these types of lenses of justice, and one of the.
00:30:04.950 --> 00:30:08.580 Cal Trumann (they/them): One of the points you mentioned was prison like prison.
00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:17.760 Cal Trumann (they/them): The prison system and it's also worth noting, you know we talked about who is more locked up in the United States specifically like so who's in these prisons and.
00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:24.510 Cal Trumann (they/them): it's considered a luxury to have air conditioning and so as we're seeing record breaking heat and you're thinking i'm so glad I had air conditioning.
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:33.540 Cal Trumann (they/them): Well, most prisons are not air conditioned and so, who is disproportionately suffering from that heat in those areas, not only the prisoners but also the guards tend to be people of color so.
00:30:34.770 --> 00:30:37.890 Thank you, yes, yes, the tendrils just.
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:50.250 never end so before we go to break i'm going to ask the two of you to to to come up with two questions for our listeners that you might pose to them.
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00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:46.050 Taylor Jaffe: jaffe so Taylor let's dive in again with you about What role do frontline communities play in the environment, environmental justice movement and what are some Community lead solutions.
00:33:46.830 --> 00:34:09.180 Taylor Jaffe: hmm yeah so when we think about frontline communities, these are the folks who are living with these environmental burdens So these are folks who are living next to power plants living next to these busty bows living with these harms and often these health impacts to even over generations.
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:14.700 Taylor Jaffe: and often when we think of the climate crisis, especially.
00:34:15.270 --> 00:34:26.580 Taylor Jaffe: You know, sometimes we ask ourselves questions you know, like, how can we stop this, how do we get out of it and often it's those communities who have the answers you know they they have the lived experience.
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:36.300 Taylor Jaffe: And they have the answers yeah they just you know, often lack resources, and you know some of that political power on their own to do so.
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:56.250 Taylor Jaffe: wow and and how how often the rule of mountain keepers to empower find the way, be the voice for these people and yeah and how can all of us, be a part of that hmm power those kind of lifting up of those voices.
00:34:57.330 --> 00:35:09.240 Taylor Jaffe: Definitely, I mean that's oh God, oh no definitely um yeah lifting up you know lifting up those voices that maybe don't get lifted so often is is really a.
00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:17.760 Taylor Jaffe: it's a topic for today, I mean even social media platforms like instagram and tick tock and Facebook, all of these you know.
00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:32.580 Taylor Jaffe: That we all use that we're so so used to interacting with you know black content creators, you know non SIS gendered content creators it gets pushed under so we really have to be you know.
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:42.900 Taylor Jaffe: I try to be intentional about what content i'm seeking out and then critical to about sometimes what you're what content, you see, and that's one way to just kind of.
00:35:43.290 --> 00:36:07.980 Taylor Jaffe: yeah start finding this yeah and I have to say this for our listeners and and and you will speak up cow will speak up and the person who is receiving that speaking up receiving that information needs to be an ally ship and needs to be up to understand that that this is all learning.
00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:18.030 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: That we're all choosing to grow and to be better and to make the situation better for everyone and that requires looking within.
00:36:22.770 --> 00:36:24.510 Okay, so I came across.
00:36:25.620 --> 00:36:27.810 This, in my research and it just.
00:36:29.220 --> 00:36:38.760 was so spot on it actually made to spring to my eyes climate justice advocacy must involve being extremely appalled.
00:36:39.240 --> 00:37:04.350 By the last several centuries of inaction to lower carbon emissions, which is not a new or unprecedented form of inaction, it is connected to generations of ecological violence that have not yet been reconciled and are rarely acknowledged, so we move into.
00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:19.260 Cal Trumann (they/them): Environmental degradation and what is the relationship between cultural destruction and environmental loss, can you speak to that now, I can certainly try to um.
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.110 Cal Trumann (they/them): I mean what we're talking about is.
00:37:24.270 --> 00:37:29.520 Cal Trumann (they/them): As far as as far as the onus to reduce emissions, I really think that that.
00:37:30.660 --> 00:37:40.170 Cal Trumann (they/them): dates back less than 100 years because that is about how I think that that's about how long we've known that burning fossil fuels are causing specifically climate warming problems.
00:37:40.590 --> 00:37:55.590 Cal Trumann (they/them): Not pollution generally and not on the aggregation exactly clear cutting core mission tie right right mining drilling, you know no coal miner ever said, you know man I love having to go around every day to eat.
00:37:58.740 --> 00:38:08.580 Cal Trumann (they/them): Right exactly I love this this cough that i've developed um, so I think I think one of the if we if we want to zoom back that that several hundreds of years.
00:38:09.270 --> 00:38:18.420 Cal Trumann (they/them): I think we're really talking about the the folks who know how to steward land effectively have have been removed from it mostly.
00:38:18.810 --> 00:38:25.860 Cal Trumann (they/them): And not permitted to do that and we're finding that the the indigenous practices for like, for example, forest management.
00:38:26.100 --> 00:38:34.020 Cal Trumann (they/them): drastically reduces these wildfires right things like that, like the people who know how to care for the land should be allowed to care for the land, and that is not.
00:38:34.710 --> 00:38:40.530 Cal Trumann (they/them): current status quo, and so I think when we're talking about like the long the long shadow of.
00:38:40.830 --> 00:38:56.700 Cal Trumann (they/them): Some of these issues where it goes back essentially to this idea that you can come to a place that's new to you and decide that you know how to run the show instead of talking to people who already know how to do it and have been doing it for thousands of years, so.
00:38:57.750 --> 00:39:12.810 Well i'm yeah i'm because we were zooming through this hour of course it's always the case i'm going to switch gears Taylor and and go into before I get into some more.
00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:21.630 Solutions from both of you, I do want to speak with you cow about your intentional community.
00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:35.010 Oh sure what is an intentional community and what inspired you to found what what piggybacks on what you were just talking about hello, and do you see it as contributing solution to the climate crisis.
00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:48.660 Cal Trumann (they/them): Good questions so intentional community, I think the the frame of reference, most people have is like a commune like 60s hippies like that sort of that sort of let's say a commune is a kind of an intentional community.
00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:56.400 Cal Trumann (they/them): Eco villages are an intentional Community Community a lot of religious organization like an ashram is an intentional community.
00:39:57.630 --> 00:40:07.110 Cal Trumann (they/them): Co OPS can be intentional communities, the idea is that it's a group of people who decide we're going to live together on purpose and we're going to take care of each other on purpose and we're going to share responsibilities on purpose.
00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:22.470 Cal Trumann (they/them): And you know, in my case, I live with five other folks in what I don't have great words for because language you know doesn't really have good words to describe this kind of a family but it's a chosen family and.
00:40:23.580 --> 00:40:37.200 Cal Trumann (they/them): We split expenses, you know if if you know we split duties of cooking somebody cooks dinner every night but it's not you every night, you know it so that's a little easier, you know that someone walks the dog, but it doesn't have to be you every day.
00:40:38.430 --> 00:40:45.360 Cal Trumann (they/them): We got a garden, we are I some of the advantages on a on an environmental level are.
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:56.100 Cal Trumann (they/them): That you can buy in bulk you know even something as simple as that you can have you don't have to have your own vehicle, because there are two cars here, and so you can take a car, if you need to take the car, you know that kind of thing.
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:13.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): We can be deliberate about how we want to take care of each other and so that's a big part of that and in queer spaces career spaces in particular there's a lot of sort of yearning for these kind of non traditional families and to have like a place.
00:41:15.060 --> 00:41:28.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): That is separate from the gays with a Z gazing of people who might wish you harm or at least don't really understand what it is you're doing with your life and so having sort of a respite from that is something that's very valuable.
00:41:30.210 --> 00:41:44.130 Cal Trumann (they/them): So we opened our space up for since coven we've opened it up for camping weekend so that folks can visit and be outside and have Community and we got some picnic tables on craigslist you know what I mean, so that we can host a lot of people at once and feed everyone.
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:53.520 Cal Trumann (they/them): But the idea of an intentional community is a very old idea and in in many ways it's older than the nuclear families that we tend to default to now.
00:41:54.870 --> 00:42:05.730 Cal Trumann (they/them): there's there's a lot of cultural and historical resonance for the idea of having you know, a larger community that lives together and takes care of each other, this is sort of.
00:42:06.210 --> 00:42:16.080 Cal Trumann (they/them): More traditional do you have any resources that you could that you could offer about for people to learn more about that oh absolutely yeah my the top.
00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:21.960 Cal Trumann (they/them): resource, I would suggest for anyone who thinks they're interested in actually starting an intentional community.
00:42:22.470 --> 00:42:28.620 Cal Trumann (they/them): Is a book called building a life together, I can't place the author off the top of my head, but I can get that to you.
00:42:29.490 --> 00:42:39.420 Cal Trumann (they/them): And this book walks through you know what is an intentional community, and then it goes through case studies of various actual real life community is that some of them succeeded, some of them.
00:42:39.750 --> 00:42:50.370 Cal Trumann (they/them): did not we read it and used it biblically as we were building our own space like okay big, no, no, not talking about money, you know you got to talk about money, no one wants to.
00:42:51.300 --> 00:43:04.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): And so we're having like hard conversations, but we're doing it on purpose and with the understanding that everyone is trying to be kind to everyone else at the table it's so fabulous but but i'm also thinking in terms of the Community coming out and working, that the the.
00:43:06.390 --> 00:43:21.600 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: working the land, I have a new neighbor here in the catskill mountains, who moved out of the city and completely pivoted to there now landscapers and be becoming beekeepers and it really smacks to me of where we're moving in terms of.
00:43:23.430 --> 00:43:34.440 Cal Trumann (they/them): Returning to this understanding of how to steward the land and and and the need, will continue to grow sure, as these crises continue.
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:40.920 Cal Trumann (they/them): And yeah we will all be called to these intentional communities, in my opinion, ultimately.
00:43:41.370 --> 00:43:54.060 Cal Trumann (they/them): that's where we're heading I think it's important to just know that you can you can do an intentional community in an urban environment, like absolutely so that's also super important, so if anyone's thinking well I don't want to move to the middle of nowhere.
00:43:54.120 --> 00:43:54.630 Cal Trumann (they/them): You don't have to.
00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:58.320 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: You just have to do a garden or a rooftop garden.
00:44:00.390 --> 00:44:05.220 which would be great okay so Sam how much time do we have left.
00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:23.550 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: I have a well i'm just going to dive in two minutes okay that's enough time Taylor so um what are some ways individuals and businesses can go green in their homes and properties and both of you please weigh in on that, and you have two minutes go.
00:44:25.560 --> 00:44:32.130 Taylor Jaffe: yeah I mean, I think you know the framework that you started us off with callous really helpful here, so you know.
00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:40.500 Taylor Jaffe: What is the correct level that you can really engage because there's certainly you know, small businesses where maybe it doesn't make sense to you know.
00:44:41.100 --> 00:44:51.090 Taylor Jaffe: Go solar or do any of those things, maybe you don't have the resources, yet or you know the maybe it's not practical, but you know switching to.
00:44:52.890 --> 00:45:09.270 Taylor Jaffe: Just more like you know no plastic bags and if we do need to you know to wrap gift wrap something let's say you're like a you know shop on Main Street, you can choose you know recycled materials to do that, you can you know, try to source responsibly, the things that are in your shop.
00:45:10.470 --> 00:45:24.390 Taylor Jaffe: And then consumer side, we can really look for those different values and really try to search for them and invest in them yeah and be willing to let go of those things that that we.
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.970 That we may need to be letting go of so callaway in we have one minute.
00:45:31.470 --> 00:45:43.350 Cal Trumann (they/them): Well, first thing to do in your if you're talking about businesses is figure out where you're using energy and where you can save some energy, so I would say, do an audit of your lighting do an audit of your heating and cooling.
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:52.680 Cal Trumann (they/them): And those both of your you're both mountain keeper casco mountain keeper and new Yorkers for clean power do those audits correct.
00:45:53.040 --> 00:45:59.640 Cal Trumann (they/them): I can help connect people with those audits, we have tools to connect people with them, so we don't do them ourselves but yeah i'd love to talk about that, after the break.
00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:01.110 Excellent.
00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:14.010 Cal Trumann (they/them): We will do that so let's just take that break now, when we come back, we will talk about those energy audits, when we come back with count Truman and Taylor jaffe on the edge of every day stay tuned everyone.
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00:48:15.150 --> 00:48:22.770 Cal Trumann (they/them): We are back so cal let's pick it up energy on it sure well, so I can take it one step back.
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:33.870 Cal Trumann (they/them): people think well Okay, how do I go solar and like maybe you want to go solar, but the truth is that in New York state, a third of our emissions come from buildings and a third of them come from transportation so electricity is not.
00:48:34.290 --> 00:48:43.680 Cal Trumann (they/them): Is not the top source of those carbon warming emissions so looking at your building where you're using energy in your building and looking at if your business involves like a fleet.
00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:52.740 Cal Trumann (they/them): If you've got vehicles, those are some places to start, so the the energy audit is a tool, where a professional comes and helps examine your building.
00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:58.380 Cal Trumann (they/them): And figure out like where you've got drafts were you like, should you upgrade your windows, do you need more insulation.
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:08.850 Cal Trumann (they/them): Are your lights out of date, because you know you think switching LEDs okay what could be less impactful than that, it turns out that it's actually very impactful the city of kingston just went to all led streetlights.
00:49:09.090 --> 00:49:18.360 Cal Trumann (they/them): and has seen an enormous savings in energy across the city, so it turns out that these little changes because the lights are on the whole time your store is open it actually makes a pretty big difference.
00:49:19.230 --> 00:49:27.300 Cal Trumann (they/them): So things like that, looking at Okay, we have to delivery vans could either of them be electric you know about for consumer for a consumer.
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:34.470 Cal Trumann (they/them): we're talking about purchases that are environmentally friendly or we're talking about homes, their their their homes and.
00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:41.160 Cal Trumann (they/them): On it yeah yeah perfect so it's similar the energy auditor is a would come to your House and they would walk through with you.
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:48.990 Cal Trumann (they/them): They would test to see where you've got drafts where you've got leaks, where errors coming in, help you figure out, what are the most cost effective ways to stop losing.
00:49:49.650 --> 00:49:56.580 Cal Trumann (they/them): That conditioned air in your space and could also talk you through if you have fossil fuel based heating or cooling.
00:49:57.330 --> 00:50:02.130 Cal Trumann (they/them): or your hot water tank isn't oil boiler they can talk you through switching to high efficiency.
00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:13.680 Cal Trumann (they/them): heat pumps for that or geothermal you know something that would use electricity that could be provided by renewables and that's a resource and they can set up, they can get the ball rolling.
00:50:14.100 --> 00:50:22.560 Cal Trumann (they/them): To set that up on your website absolutely So yes, so new Yorkers for clean power has what we call clean energy coaches, there are a couple of folks who.
00:50:23.220 --> 00:50:29.490 Cal Trumann (they/them): Are on staff to take calls, essentially, we have a calendar, where you can pick a time with them and if you've been wondering.
00:50:29.700 --> 00:50:40.710 Cal Trumann (they/them): Man I wish I could go solar, but I don't really know where to start or you know i'd like my school to you know upgrade our heating system or I want my work to have electric vehicles, I don't know how to start this process.
00:50:40.950 --> 00:50:45.330 Cal Trumann (they/them): These are experts who will talk to you for 45 minutes there's no charge and they're not selling anything.
00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:55.680 Cal Trumann (they/them): So you don't have to worry like the only reason they said I should get geothermal is because they're trying to sell me a geothermal system, for example, and so this is free it's on our website and why for clean power.org.
00:50:56.370 --> 00:51:02.940 Cal Trumann (they/them): Fantastic so Taylor talk to me about some of the resources that are on the catskill mountain keeper website.
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:09.660 Taylor Jaffe: For a great question yeah um I would say, our primary.
00:51:11.310 --> 00:51:17.340 Taylor Jaffe: Our primary means of education, we often do a lot of webinars which is you know, in fact, how we got connected.
00:51:18.450 --> 00:51:25.800 Taylor Jaffe: um yeah so you know mountain keeper is certainly a where we're I mean like team.
00:51:26.580 --> 00:51:35.550 Taylor Jaffe: And you know part of the great thing about, that is, we get to work with a lot of great people so in those webinars you'll find you know a lot of.
00:51:36.030 --> 00:51:44.760 Taylor Jaffe: Experts where we maybe don't have the capacity to be experts ourselves who really have a lot of that information.
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:57.780 Taylor Jaffe: And more of that information, and you know, keeping our library of webinars on our main pages is really a great way for us to to make sure that that's accessible to checked it out and it is wonderful.
00:51:59.100 --> 00:51:59.760 quickly.
00:52:00.870 --> 00:52:04.710 Well, not quickly poignantly but not forever.
00:52:07.230 --> 00:52:09.240 i'm really you know I had a woman on.
00:52:10.350 --> 00:52:18.660 Harriet sugarman who's my mentor for when I did the climate reality training with Al Gore and she's fantastic she calls herself climate mama.
00:52:19.890 --> 00:52:43.410 And that's the name of her website and she has a book and and she she's a professor and she speaks beautifully and you know we talked we touched on, very briefly, but the mental health issue for young people, I mean I can speak to me about what the two of you feel and how you are experiencing.
00:52:46.170 --> 00:53:01.560 How Earth is where we are in this process, having so often adults, making the wrong decisions Where are you all, with your understanding of mental health with young people Where are you personally aware you across the board with the people that you come across.
00:53:03.270 --> 00:53:07.170 Taylor Jaffe: hmm yeah I mean personally i'm frustrated I.
00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.340 Taylor Jaffe: Think it's probably a kind way of saying.
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:29.100 Taylor Jaffe: Right, I mean, I think we pissed off exactly it's so completely yeah frustrated and and it's so easy to feel overwhelmed and I think you know that's really where we kind of started this conversation so frustrated and overwhelmed but.
00:53:30.390 --> 00:53:44.880 Taylor Jaffe: You know I, I see that people feel that and I also the The more that i'm really able to connect with you know the elders in this movement, you know these are feelings that have been felt and still they persist.
00:53:45.600 --> 00:53:58.980 Taylor Jaffe: like these are folks who keep on and that really is the bottom line that you know it's okay to feel frustrated it's okay to feel overwhelmed, we have to kind of process those emotions, all the way, but.
00:54:00.450 --> 00:54:06.720 Taylor Jaffe: change takes action and, even if it just starts at the individual level that's just where you got to start.
00:54:08.100 --> 00:54:08.880 Taylor Jaffe: How about you kyle.
00:54:10.350 --> 00:54:19.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): So i'm as i'm just a couple years from 40 i'm in this interesting sort of bridge position in climate and queer spaces, where.
00:54:20.790 --> 00:54:33.030 Cal Trumann (they/them): i'm not i'm not an elder in the real world, but in both of those spaces, sometimes I am um, and so I I feel like I was a little ahead of my time I was climate anxious before cool.
00:54:33.930 --> 00:54:38.970 Cal Trumann (they/them): At this point, you know before I feel bad for the for the speakers.
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:49.260 Cal Trumann (they/them): I feel bad for gen Z because you know I didn't know any of my peers that were freaked out about the environment, when I was in high school and now it's I believe 60%.
00:54:49.530 --> 00:54:57.990 Cal Trumann (they/them): Of kids surveyed say that they're worried like very worried or extremely worried and I would say, extremely worried concerned, all adults.
00:54:58.770 --> 00:55:11.520 Cal Trumann (they/them): And more than almost half said that they think about climate change, every day, whether that it affects their feelings about the future and their daily lives processes right exactly, and so my my coworker has talked to me about how she.
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:22.140 Cal Trumann (they/them): used to want kids, and now it doesn't you know it's like that kind of thing where like people are making these big decisions based on whether they think we have a livable future and that's extremely bleak so.
00:55:22.680 --> 00:55:33.750 Cal Trumann (they/them): I think it's important for those like younger folks to know that just because the voices that you're hearing from the people who have failed you doesn't mean that everyone has failed you.
00:55:34.050 --> 00:55:39.840 Cal Trumann (they/them): Like it is really important to know how many people are working, every day, to make sure you have a little silly have.
00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:50.280 Cal Trumann (they/them): So many and the problem is that the people who get the big money are the people who are trying to stop the progress, and so there are a lot more people who are fighting for you than fighting against you.
00:55:50.490 --> 00:55:58.800 Cal Trumann (they/them): The problem is the ones who are fighting against you have a lot more resources, so the best thing you could do is find the people who are fighting for you and find out how to get involved, indeed and.
00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:00.660 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: And what vote.
00:56:01.560 --> 00:56:14.850 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Every person of age is a voting age must vote must, there is no there's no reason that you can that you aren't voting now.
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:20.340 Cal Trumann (they/them): I see, but it is necessary but not sufficient right so like all agreed totally but.
00:56:21.030 --> 00:56:32.730 Cal Trumann (they/them): Often, that when when we asked for a call to action from our leaders often they end with so make sure you get out to the polls, and that is not enough, like it is, it is necessary but not sufficient, I love that you said that that is so, this brings me.
00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:39.660 Cal Trumann (they/them): we've got two minutes at the end, what are your what are your call to actions just one from each call to action to our listeners.
00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:58.410 Taylor Jaffe: um i've been thinking a little bit about climate in terms of our food recently and how you know something as easy as buying less products from these companies who are using those dollars to hurt us environmentally is.
00:56:58.860 --> 00:57:04.620 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: Knowing for who are going putting it into the coffers of politicians that vote against.
00:57:04.830 --> 00:57:11.250 Taylor Jaffe: Climate absolutely there's certainly activism research absolutely yes, that is my call that.
00:57:12.390 --> 00:57:23.760 Cal Trumann (they/them): Go yeah I had two questions one was what something you've been telling yourself, you should do, or you want to do around climate or clean energy, but you just haven't gotten around to it, and what would it take.
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:25.620 Cal Trumann (they/them): To get you to take that action so like.
00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:28.980 Cal Trumann (they/them): Like oh man I keep thinking about that i've been thinking about stop thinking.
00:57:29.010 --> 00:57:36.210 Cal Trumann (they/them): Do APP we don't have time or no time for overwhelm the second question was who are your elected officials and what are their climate records.
00:57:38.550 --> 00:57:40.590 Sandra Bargman ~ The Edge of Everyday: You find out all great suggestions.
00:57:40.680 --> 00:57:50.280 Cal Trumann (they/them): bring them you all are fantastic, and we have one minute to the end, so I have to just stop us as much as I want to go on and on and talk with you all.
00:57:52.470 --> 00:58:01.680 Thank you so much for agreeing to come on this show and to share your wisdom and your talent, we are so grateful.
00:58:02.970 --> 00:58:04.860 cow website.
00:58:05.910 --> 00:58:17.190 Cal Trumann (they/them): So new ny for the word for Fo R and why for clean power.org is the new Yorkers for clean power website where you can find that clean energy coaching tool, as well as.
00:58:18.180 --> 00:58:36.150 Cal Trumann (they/them): Our green jobs map and you can sign up to get an hour long green the grid and electrify everything presentation from me for free, if you want to follow my intentional Community we're on instagram at the dot REV R ED dot aleutian islands and Taylor find you.
00:58:36.810 --> 00:58:45.750 Taylor Jaffe: yep you can find me at catskill mountain keeper.org to know you know more things mountain keeper or you can find my personal.
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:59.100 Taylor Jaffe: You know website and all of that information on instagram at Taylor see Jackie J E excellent, and I have included your music website, they will be in the show notes, so that will show up.
00:59:00.180 --> 00:59:19.230 Well, again, I thank you, I thank you for your time on with us sharing your your knowledge and wisdom and for all of you listening in, thank you for spending, this time with us remember you are always on the edge of the miraculous.
00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:22.770 till we meet again say well.
00:59:23.850 --> 00:59:25.050 Cal Trumann (they/them): Thank you so much for having us.
00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:26.250 Taylor Jaffe: Thank you.