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This week, on The Conscious Consultant Hour, Sam welcomes Dream Coach, Story-Teller and Author, Pearl Gregor.
Pearl is an explorer and a seeker. She is the author of the three books in the Dreams Along the Way Series. She is a farmer, grandmother, blogger and a Crone of wisdom.
Pearl experienced years of personal turmoil beginning about age nine. Nightmares, depression, psychologists and finally psychiatrists, prescriptions and prayers. And Nothing, but Nothing, worked.
Then at age 43, she discovered meditation and in December 1988 learned that she could ask for a dream. That first dream unleashed an avalanche of change. Like the Mythical Goddess Inanna, Pearl lived the descent into the underworld. Dreams, prayer, meditation, reading and journaling led her through that long and intense seven-year journey to heal her shredded feminine soul.
Her books are I, the Woman, Planted the Tree, Authoring Self, and Cauldron of the Feminine.
Join Sam and Pearl as they discuss the journey of dreams and healing from our past trauma.
https://dreamsalongtheway.com/
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00:00:36.270 --> 00:01:06.250 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Good Good afternoon. Good morning! Good evening. Wherever you're listening from. Welcome to that conscious consultant hour awakening humanity. I am very, very pleased that you are all here with me today. We have a wonderful show in store for you with a very special lady. Um! Looking forward to our conversation today. Um, I I hope you you all are are tuning into the other shows on talk radio dot Nyc
00:01:06.260 --> 00:01:35.679 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: especially um reverend uh Dr. Carolyn Ky. Avery show right before mine Dismantling racism. Um! A very good show uh today. She was talking with someone who was descendant of the largest slave trader and and sort of his is a change in how he's now uh working towards um, helping to end racism. So a wonderful show I you didn't catch it live. Hope you can catch the rerun on talk radio that Nyc.
00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:53.860 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Anyway. Uh, let's get started, of course, as we always do. Start off with a little section from my book. Everyday Awakening, and uh, the section today is entitled, There is a new path on the other side of that awkward conversation.
00:01:54.490 --> 00:02:06.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: We all avoid having uncomfortable conversations. The ones where we know we will feel awkward in and where we are not sure of the outcome.
00:02:06.070 --> 00:02:22.510 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Avoid This keeps us from experiencing something amazing. It keeps us from finding out what is on the other side. It stops us from the gold that is underneath the surface, waiting to be dug up.
00:02:22.970 --> 00:02:41.170 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Perhaps you already had one conversation, and there was something left unsaid. You knew at the time there was a lot more to it yet you didn't ask, and because you didn't explore the real conversation didn't happen,
00:02:41.470 --> 00:02:48.109 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The good news is that there's usually another opportunity. You can still reach out
00:02:48.670 --> 00:02:57.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the key to finding a new path for us to go where we didn't go last time the key is to it. The key
00:02:57.410 --> 00:03:11.350 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: is to find a new path is for us to go where we didn't go last time to be nervous, and to still say what wasn't said last night to ask for what we want and didn't speak up about before.
00:03:11.890 --> 00:03:27.670 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: The truly amazing thing about doing this is that most of the time the answers we receive are not what we would have expected. In fact, an answer can be the complete opposite of what we expect,
00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:47.069 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: or something that takes us in such a different direction that it never even came to mind. And now that we're having a whole new conversation, one that takes us to an undiscovered country where now we are free to create something new and different.
00:03:47.310 --> 00:03:52.769 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Or perhaps we learn that it is that it really is time to move on;
00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.169 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that the path that we were on before has truly come to an end.
00:03:58.220 --> 00:04:02.830 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So now we know, and we are free to start a new path,
00:04:03.290 --> 00:04:17.570 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: regardless of the direction of a difficult conversation. It will bring something new into our lives. It will liberate us from the fear that kept us from asking in the first place,
00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:35.280 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and we will grow and transform as we move forward in our lives. We may even look back on that trepidation that kept us from asking to talk in the first place and wonder why we waited such a long time.
00:04:37.050 --> 00:04:40.720 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Is there a difficult conversation you've been putting off?
00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:49.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Can you now approach it with an air of excitement of what might be on the other side of that conversation.
00:04:50.970 --> 00:04:55.699 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So this section of my book I wrote Um,
00:04:55.930 --> 00:05:03.580 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I don't know what was a while ago in the book came out two years ago, so it was more than two years. It was probably about three, four years ago
00:05:03.630 --> 00:05:08.310 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A. And this section I kind of wrote after
00:05:08.410 --> 00:05:19.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um a couple of things. One was I was having conversations with people who were working with the same person, the same teacher I was working with at the time,
00:05:20.260 --> 00:05:32.020 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and they were complaining to me about the way he is, and I've experienced it myself and their challenges, and the way they were treated in this and that, and I was well.
00:05:32.070 --> 00:05:34.079 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Did you talk to him about it?
00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:46.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Did you talk to uh the the person above him about it, and they were like no, and they were kind of timid about it, and they were afraid because he was the only teacher in this area.
00:05:46.010 --> 00:05:54.710 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And and so it. It really kept more than one person from really speaking up and having this conversation.
00:05:55.700 --> 00:06:01.789 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And I I really didn't know what to say to them other than
00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:10.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: talk to him, talk, talk to him, and and express what you feel, and you know, if it doesn't, work out, find someone else.
00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:18.129 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: So that was sort of the first piece of it. And then I was having a conversation uh with my wife,
00:06:18.340 --> 00:06:25.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and and it was a little bit challenging to kind of bring up the topic at the time. I can't even remember exactly what it was,
00:06:25.810 --> 00:06:27.960 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but I remember that
00:06:28.440 --> 00:06:39.559 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um, And actually I don't even think I was the one who brought it up. Usually she she notices something, and she kind of digs into me. She's like, you know what's going on with it, and then I respond, and
00:06:40.450 --> 00:06:57.309 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and I remember I was. I was a little fearful, or I was a little, you know, nervous about having this conversation, and then we had the conversation, and then things turned out in a totally different direction that what I was afraid of
00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:02.009 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: was actually nowhere near what
00:07:02.140 --> 00:07:17.599 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: ended up happening, and and the conversation was um actually very good, and and and brought us closer together. And that vulnerability, that willingness to talk really made it a huge difference.
00:07:17.700 --> 00:07:23.690 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so then I realized that then that's how this kind of section of the book came up. Was
00:07:24.900 --> 00:07:26.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I? Um,
00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:36.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I had this impression. I had this fear. I had this projection of what would happen if we have this conversation.
00:07:37.440 --> 00:07:41.420 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And the truth was, actually, it was nothing like that,
00:07:42.910 --> 00:07:49.689 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and it was all just in my own imagination, and it kept me from having this important conversation.
00:07:50.580 --> 00:07:53.659 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so I realized from this that
00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:05.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: actually, if I have a little more openness that if I if I'm a little more willing to be vulnerable if i'm willing to
00:08:05.770 --> 00:08:10.260 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: be okay with the uncertainty of where the conversation could go.
00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:15.849 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: It actually opens up to this whole new opportunity
00:08:16.460 --> 00:08:22.590 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: to discover things that we never, that I never would have discovered otherwise.
00:08:23.450 --> 00:08:29.540 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And so it it sort of humbled me, and it helped me to realize that
00:08:29.760 --> 00:08:32.230 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: awkward conversations,
00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:42.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: but so often, so often,
00:08:42.350 --> 00:08:48.070 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: the other side of that awkward conversation is something we never would have imagined.
00:08:49.750 --> 00:08:59.899 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: And actually it's so important to have those awkward conversations like those are the the gold in our life. Those are the real need and the juice of things. So
00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:03.730 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I guess this is just my way of saying
00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.660 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: if you're feeling nervous about talking about something with somebody,
00:09:09.130 --> 00:09:25.390 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that's a wonderful sign that that's absolutely the conversation you need to have. Now, look, i'm not saying. These conversations always work out in a wonderful, beautiful way. Of course not. Sometimes it means okay. We've got to come to the end of something.
00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:30.809 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: But if we, if but if that's where things are going,
00:09:31.070 --> 00:09:33.890 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Why delay it? Why put it off?
00:09:34.870 --> 00:09:38.360 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Sometimes we need to come to that ending
00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:41.970 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so that we can come to a new beginning,
00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:45.090 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and that sometimes,
00:09:46.370 --> 00:09:56.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: you know, we might be afraid of expressing ourselves because of what could happen. But sometimes what then happens is actually what we really wanted, and what we were looking for,
00:09:58.490 --> 00:10:06.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so I I know it's not easy. I I know It's challenging. I know It's the most confronting thing
00:10:08.570 --> 00:10:19.210 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: A, and in my experience. I've also learned. Not only is it the most confronting thing it it also can be the most valuable thing that we do. So
00:10:19.780 --> 00:10:30.320 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that's our section from my book. Everyday Awakening, Uh. The section is called. There is a new path on the other side of that awkward conversation.
00:10:30.330 --> 00:10:54.449 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Uh, and of course you can get my book every day awakening at Www. Dot everyday awakening book, dot com that'll take you uh right to um the listing on Amazon. But if You're like me, and you like supporting independent bookstores. Please feel free. You know we're in a major distributors. So just ask your local bookstore to order it for you if you haven't gotten it yet.
00:10:55.320 --> 00:11:20.649 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Okay, Now it is my extreme pleasure to bring on to the show. Uh dream coach storyteller and multi-time author pro Gregor Pearl is an explorer and a seeker. She is the author of three books in the Dreams along the Way series. She's a farmer, a grandmother, a blogger and a crone of wisdom,
00:11:20.890 --> 00:11:36.050 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: her all experienced years of personal turmoil beginning about the age of nine nightmares, depression, psychologists, and finally psychiatrists, prescriptions and prayers and nothing but nothing worked.
00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:55.000 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Then, at the age of forty-three, she discovered meditation, and in the December of ninety one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight Uh learned that she could ask for a dream. That first stream on lunch unleashed an avalanche of change, like the mythical goddess
00:11:55.170 --> 00:12:15.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in Anna Pearl, live the descent into the underworld dreams. Prayer, meditation, reading, and journaling led her through that long and intense seven year journey to heal her shredded, feminine soul. She is the author of the books, I. The woman planted the tree
00:12:15.400 --> 00:12:30.609 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: offering self and cauldron of the feminine, and it is my pleasure to welcome Pearl to the show. Welcome to the conscious consultant hour. Pro.
00:12:30.620 --> 00:12:41.629 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Uh! Well, it's wonderful to have uh someone with your years of an in of experience and your wisdom to to come on to the show. Um! I I
00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:49.799 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I haven't always in my life honored um older people, but I've learned over the years that
00:12:49.850 --> 00:13:05.229 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: people such as yourself. You've lived so much you've experienced so much, you have so much wisdom to share that I I've really learned that there's so much value in speaking with people who are older than I am.
00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:24.289 Pearl Gregor: Thank you for that, Sam, because it's not always the the way it is in our culture. Our culture does not have a lot of honor for the elders. It's something that even the elders don't understand, that they they have to step out themselves in and to kind of invite that that respect, otherwise that nobody knows They're around
00:13:24.300 --> 00:13:27.930 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: right right, and and and I
00:13:27.950 --> 00:13:55.380 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I i'm also what's helped me a lot to cultivate. This also is because my wife is Chinese, and in the Asian cultures they so much more honor the elderly in their culture. So over the years have been married night over nineteen years now, like I've gotten a lot of that from her as well, and and to me that also highlights the point of the importance of allowing ourselves to be exposed to other cultures;
00:13:55.390 --> 00:14:09.270 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that that when we expose ourselves to other ways of being in the world, that we actually um enrich our lives, and and we can learn from different cultures and take the best of different cultures
00:14:09.280 --> 00:14:23.550 Pearl Gregor: that's very apparent in both Canada and the United States, because we have a diverse, very diverse culture with people from all over the world. And we we, if we're for careful, and if we're listeners, we learn a lot from those other cultures
00:14:23.560 --> 00:14:50.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: absolutely, absolutely. Well, Pearl, I I I want to get into your background a little bit, and how you kind of came to all this, but we have to take our first break, so we're going to take a quick break, and when we come back I would love for you to kind of give our audience a bit of a background. You know what happened to you when you were young. What was your path like until you know. How did you discover meditation? And then you know what happened from then on. Okay,
00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.030 Pearl Gregor: I can do that.
00:14:53.120 --> 00:15:22.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Hi. Wonderful. So everybody and I see. I just want to give a quick shout out to a loyal listener, Paddy! Uh on the uh Youtube live. Thank you, Patty, for listening and sharing, and everybody. Please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consultant now awakening humanity. We do this every Thursday at noon on talk radio in Yc Eastern time. Uh, and as well, you can hear us live on Kmt and Palm Springs, California, ten Am. On Wednesdays
00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:31.130 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and all across the Internet and all the podcasting platforms, and we will be right back with Pearl Gregor in just a moment.
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00:17:47.970 --> 00:18:04.300 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consult. Now awakening humanity. Um so, pearl uh what happened to you as a child? And and and and how did were you able to to kind of get yourself out of that situation.
00:18:04.310 --> 00:18:15.380 Pearl Gregor: Well, the the the whole situation began when I was nine years old when it began with nightmares, and nobody knew where they came from or why they were there. They lasted up, as they said, for many, many years.
00:18:15.390 --> 00:18:34.050 Pearl Gregor: I got worse when I was sixteen, went into young womanhood, and by nineteen I was under psychological care, and my life went on, I was able to carry on. It come from a very strong, strong family background, which is a It was a big blessing stable, rural family in peasant or in Homestead
00:18:34.060 --> 00:19:00.700 Pearl Gregor: Crooked Creek, Alberta, which is very, very far north from from where you are for sure,
00:19:00.710 --> 00:19:06.410 Pearl Gregor: and by the time I was in my twenties I went to university. I got my first degree When I was thirty, two,
00:19:06.610 --> 00:19:20.219 Pearl Gregor: and Life series went on. I mean I got married. I did all the things that normal people do, and with a constant depression in the background. So by the time I got to be forty-three. I was desperate. I was hearing voices.
00:19:20.260 --> 00:19:25.130 Pearl Gregor: In fact, one day my great nine's I had a class of grade nine students once a day,
00:19:25.290 --> 00:19:37.230 Pearl Gregor: and the At halfway through the class I noticed that they were getting quite restless. By the end of the class they were. Several of them came up and said, Can we talk to you? Uh? And said, Sure, what do you need? So it's not us. It's you.
00:19:37.290 --> 00:19:40.920 Pearl Gregor: We think you're ill, and you should go home. You don't. You usually make sense?
00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.959 Pearl Gregor: This is Gregor today. You didn't make any sense at all.
00:19:44.120 --> 00:19:50.919 Pearl Gregor: So I went home. Those kids were probably the best things ever happened to me
00:19:51.300 --> 00:20:08.710 Pearl Gregor: because they were. They had that conversation that you said a minute ago. That was a difficult conversation for them to go to their teacher and say, We take your second. You should go home. I went home, and I went back to the psychiatrist, and from there things did not evolve Very well. They just got worse
00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:26.819 Pearl Gregor: by the time. Oh, I don't know. Months went on. My, my one of my girlfriend said, Okay, Pearl, you have tried everything. It's time to do something different. So come with me. We'll go to this meditation group So that's what we did. That was the beginning right there. I began to get into meditation. I meditated
00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:38.190 Pearl Gregor: um probably too much, because I ended up ill. Started in all in April by August I ended up in the hospital because I I was um very, very yellow. I was
00:20:38.630 --> 00:20:47.250 Pearl Gregor: throwing up um from every part of my body if you get my drift. And so that meant ten days in the hospital,
00:20:47.310 --> 00:20:53.779 Pearl Gregor: and I was on on uh interven us for that period of time when they finally sent me home. I was completely
00:20:54.090 --> 00:20:55.200 Pearl Gregor: um.
00:20:55.360 --> 00:20:56.640 Pearl Gregor: I was just.
00:20:56.750 --> 00:21:11.030 Pearl Gregor: I don't know we want word. I would use desperate, more desperate, because I I had no idea what was happening. Years later I was in New York, and I was explaining to the the instructor about what had happened, and she said, Well, Pearl, that's called Holy Shit,
00:21:11.040 --> 00:21:26.980 Pearl Gregor: because it's it's a big toxic release from meditation. And so I had in one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight that was August of one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight. By December I was my family thought. Maybe I was getting into your cult because of the meditation.
00:21:26.990 --> 00:21:45.529 Pearl Gregor: I'm a Roman Catholic by birth and by a long, long, long lineage back to the time of Luther, so that meant that there was some fear around getting into things I shouldn't be into, and I they, one of them, one of my brothers and wife, sent me a box of books,
00:21:45.560 --> 00:21:52.330 Pearl Gregor: and in that box of books was a book that said a Christian approach to dream work, and it said I could ask for a dream which I did.
00:21:52.460 --> 00:22:00.250 Pearl Gregor: That was probably the second best thing that happened. Meditation being. The first is being a second, and so
00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:11.900 Pearl Gregor: that I I read that book that night. I'm. I'm an addicted reader as many people are, and I read that book, and it said, Ask for a dream, and I did. I got a dream,
00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:13.989 Pearl Gregor: and in that dream
00:22:14.070 --> 00:22:27.649 Pearl Gregor: I I can tell people the dream because I remember our type of dreams like that one. Stay with you a very long time. They just don't they don't recede, and that one I can close my eyes, and I can feel it. I'm. On the eighth floor
00:22:28.150 --> 00:22:32.219 Pearl Gregor: in that dream of the hardy Court building which is where my office was.
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:45.090 Pearl Gregor: Only my office is really on the seventh floor that becomes critically important. That idea of seven, because dreams are symbolic. They're never literal. So I was on the eighth. But in the dream I was on the seventh.
00:22:45.100 --> 00:22:53.270 Pearl Gregor: So you The first question you ask now that I know about dreams is why the seventh? Why did the dream say the seventh? Well, i'll get back to that.
00:22:53.290 --> 00:23:10.850 Pearl Gregor: So I step into the elevator, and the elevator begins to fall. Now, in dreams I have fallen for thousands of miles in my dreams over from age nine to forty-three, as you can imagine. Whenever I had the dream and it was a repetitive dream I was. I was being chased by a man with a scarred face,
00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:16.850 Pearl Gregor: so this time it wasn't. But I was falling in this stream, and I had read about falling,
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.040 Pearl Gregor: and what I woke up from the dream. I realized what had happened
00:23:21.170 --> 00:23:31.960 Pearl Gregor: many months later, not right away. So I fell, and there was a lot of women around me in the elevator. They were screaming, and i'm praying Jesus, make it safe all the way down.
00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:44.879 Pearl Gregor: Finally I land in lamb's, wolf, or chicken feathers. I've never completely i'm not sure which one it was. But when I go back to the dream, go to the first sentence and go to the last sentence. I'm. In an elevator. An elevator is a city thing.
00:23:44.890 --> 00:23:56.520 Pearl Gregor: We don't find them in the country. Chicken feathers, and lambs world is a country thing. It's an organic thing. It's very different, masculine being, the city feminine being the the them of the earth. And so
00:23:56.900 --> 00:24:14.080 Pearl Gregor: I I began to realize, as I went through that dream. On the seventh floor was a sacred number seven seven Commandments seven, seven. This there, there's many, many sevens in in Biblical terms, and many dreams have some some sense of spirituality in them,
00:24:14.090 --> 00:24:30.040 Pearl Gregor: and oftentimes we don't get to that right away, because our culture doesn't understand that very well, especially the symbolic part. They may know the literal part, but the symbolism they don't remember. So that dream told me that I was going to take a fall,
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:32.549 Pearl Gregor: and I would fall, but I would be safe,
00:24:33.070 --> 00:24:42.319 Pearl Gregor: and I did not realize that right away, as as you can imagine, I had never had a dream before. I i'd always had nightmares. I didn't know what dreams meant,
00:24:42.330 --> 00:25:01.720 Pearl Gregor: so I began to read about what dreams, what dreams can tell you, and I learned from Carl Young mostly the work of Carl Young, which most of the you know listeners will either have heard out. Some will be very familiar with the the writings and the work of Karl Young, especially today. There's a lot more Awareness and there was in one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight.
00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:11.239 Pearl Gregor: It's a long, long time ago I mean thirty-five years ago
00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:29.440 Pearl Gregor: I don't know how quite old you were. But you said we're not doing radio shows. I'm pretty sure. No, no, I wasn't doing radio shows. But I was already working. Yes, so. But you know the difference between being thirty-five and even forty-three is quite, quite different. Mid life happens for women and for men.
00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:48.070 Pearl Gregor: Mid Life changes your inner world a great deal. It's your big opportunity. If you're in mid life out there in your listening world, pay attention to the changes that might be happening, because they are incredible. If you're paying attention, and you can. My whole life turned around at that point
00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:49.510 Pearl Gregor: because I
00:25:49.840 --> 00:25:58.040 Pearl Gregor: that was the first dream. Then I went to a meditation and a and a a prayer group on the second of of January,
00:25:58.130 --> 00:26:06.419 Pearl Gregor: and in that dream, or in that evening there was a gentleman in that group, and he said, pro I, There's a message for you that you're not listening to
00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:08.020 Pearl Gregor: the message, said
00:26:08.780 --> 00:26:20.439 Pearl Gregor: The endurance run is over, and there was a uh a vision of silver coins and a river, real river of silver coins and a field of sunflowers.
00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:21.630 Hmm.
00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:25.409 Pearl Gregor: Well, you think about that. I mean what the sunflowers mean
00:26:25.540 --> 00:26:27.510 Pearl Gregor: in in symbolism,
00:26:27.620 --> 00:26:30.890 Pearl Gregor: whole river and silver coin. What's that about?
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:41.069 Pearl Gregor: And what what? What was the possible message of the endurance run is over? I hadn't got a clue, but my energy level went through the roof in that
00:26:41.090 --> 00:26:47.580 Pearl Gregor: in that moment. So I, when I left there. When I got home I began to read some more,
00:26:47.660 --> 00:26:51.390 Pearl Gregor: to try to find out what this is. What does this all mean?
00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:56.580 Pearl Gregor: Discovered that some assembled the symbolism of the the sunflower is,
00:26:56.600 --> 00:26:58.879 Pearl Gregor: It's a it's a
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:15.950 Pearl Gregor: I can't even pronounce a name. It's a Fibonacci, and it's Fibonacci, and you many people will be aware of that as well. It's the perfect it's a Pi pi r squared number, and it tells us a lot, and the sunflower turns to follow the sun,
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:35.930 Pearl Gregor: and it turns, and that's what we have to do. We have to turn to follow the sun. So it took me a long time to understand that, and a river of silver coin is is as well. It's riches, but it's silver, it's it's the notion of there's a wealth of um in the inner world that's available to you.
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:40.390 Pearl Gregor: But again it took a long time to discover that. So,
00:27:40.800 --> 00:28:08.290 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: um i'm just curious. We're going to need to take a break in a minute or so, but I want to go back to nine years old, and you start having nightmares. W. Was there anything that that preceded that? Was there some trauma or some something that happened that caused the nightmare, or we just added the blue with absolutely no explanation at the time it didn't think there was an explanation. I'll get to the explanation in A. In about another minute
00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:27.410 Pearl Gregor: the explanation came through meditation again. That idea that I had to understand the symbolism of what was happening, and where this was possibly coming from. It was a great amount of repressed trauma in my life. I'd had a great trauma, but I didn't remember the trauma. It was when I was two years old,
00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:38.829 Pearl Gregor: and my parents were were not, did not know about it either. It was. It was at a church picnic. I was molested as a small child. Before I could talk and explain to anybody
00:28:39.100 --> 00:28:44.880 Pearl Gregor: what was going on, This came through to me in a in another meditation in symbols,
00:28:45.260 --> 00:28:47.720 Pearl Gregor: and it would it blew the whole.
00:28:47.950 --> 00:28:57.529 Pearl Gregor: In that evening I I received the gift of forgiveness and compassion, and that whole story came flooding through me, and I
00:28:57.580 --> 00:29:07.890 Pearl Gregor: I have never again experienced that level of energy in my body. My body turned blue a little bit like the color of your your talking radio
00:29:08.150 --> 00:29:25.690 Pearl Gregor: You' to talk radio logo, the logo. It's kind of that I could see through my hands. That's how powerful the energy was that went through my body, and so I had some really energetic experiences prior to this, As I said, when I had the the
00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:41.669 Pearl Gregor: the conversation with about the river silver coin, and the endurance run. That That was an evening where it wasn't as powerful as this the the meditation evening. But it was darn close. So you you get.
00:29:41.680 --> 00:30:00.389 Pearl Gregor: I mean. There had been before this There' been another event at St. Basil's, where I would went to a prayer meeting which I had never gone to before, and have never done since. And in that prayer meeting I met him at a an older man, big man, who, he and his wife prayed over me
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:11.559 Pearl Gregor: dreams, and this journey often requires some sense of spiritual events. It doesn't really matter. It doesn't have to be in church as mine. We're not in church, because
00:30:11.570 --> 00:30:21.110 Pearl Gregor: in my world the the world is everyone's Church. If we were paying attention it doesn't have to be a building that's dedicated to this idea. So
00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:37.439 Pearl Gregor: that that evening with uh, with the meditation, when in my body turned blue, and I could see through it, and I was hearing, I could hear this conversation going on. My girlfriend was there. Two girlfriends were with me throughout the experience, and
00:30:37.780 --> 00:30:39.000 Pearl Gregor: it was,
00:30:42.010 --> 00:30:47.409 Pearl Gregor: if any other words, it's something that you can't even put into words.
00:30:47.820 --> 00:30:50.000 Pearl Gregor: So um
00:30:51.530 --> 00:30:54.600 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I I I
00:30:54.730 --> 00:31:00.839 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: I would like to just take a quick pause. There. We need to take it just a quick break, and then um
00:31:00.850 --> 00:31:20.740 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: uh, when we come back from the break i'd like to start talking about, you know, as you learn more about dreams like what brought you to write the first book. When did you decide that you wanted to sort of share your experiences in that in a broader way? Okay, yeah, all right. You can talk about that because that was a very specific point in day on time.
00:31:20.750 --> 00:31:31.209 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: All right. Wonderful, wonderful! So everyone please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious consult now awakening humanity. And we'll be right back with Pearl Gregor in just a moment.
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00:33:34.530 --> 00:33:48.680 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back. So, Pearl, So you you started to dive in, you know meditation asking for dreams, interpreting dreams, understanding dreams, better studying the works of people like Carl Jung. Who
00:33:48.690 --> 00:33:55.550 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Um! What brought you to that point where you decided you wanted to share this in a more public way by writing a book.
00:33:55.670 --> 00:34:08.559 Pearl Gregor: Well, it was a strange event I was driving I must, was a consultant. At that time in my life I was working as a government consultant in social studies. I was driving one early morning to a workshop
00:34:08.659 --> 00:34:13.700 Pearl Gregor: where I was. I was doing the workshop as a two hundred mile drive, so I had a lot of time to think,
00:34:13.730 --> 00:34:24.529 Pearl Gregor: and as I was driving, a voice came out of the backseat of my car, which sounds pretty pretty strange, and it was strange it said right dreams along the way, and i'm thinking
00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:30.810 Pearl Gregor: the voice of this is too crazy. The voice says right dreams along the way,
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:48.549 Pearl Gregor: and I keep driving right dreams along the way I stop my car. I get out. I walk around three times. What would you do if you're here? A voice behind you. So I I walked around it kind of give my head a shake. Get back in, and the voice says more insistently, Right dreams along the way.
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:57.249 Pearl Gregor: Okay. So I began to do that, but that's nineteen ninety or ninety-two. That's a far away from the end of my journey.
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:14.550 Pearl Gregor: Journey. I didn't actually sit down to right till I had a series of strokes in two thousand and fourteen. So it was a long time before it takes a lot of courage to just start to write your own story, one that's kind of not a regular story. It's not.
00:35:14.560 --> 00:35:33.359 Pearl Gregor: It's not normal. I've not read too many kind of stories like this, and to to put dreams in it, and to put meditation and journaling in it. It was, I mean, when I wrote the books it was it even that was difficult to do, because you you keep thinking who is going to read this? Who's going to laugh?
00:35:33.370 --> 00:35:41.649 Pearl Gregor: Um! They're going to think this is completely ridiculous and pretty pretty strange. However, I had this inner voice that talked
00:35:41.980 --> 00:36:01.140 Pearl Gregor: and it it. When it finally came time I had the strokes. I went from my farm to spend the winter in Victoria, British Columbia. I took with me the books some books that I was reading. I took as many journal. I had put the journals. Everything was typed into my computer so that I could.
00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:11.580 Pearl Gregor: I could search and find a particular dream or a particular word, so I I could quite easily put things together that way. So I began to write when I got to Victoria,
00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:30.499 Pearl Gregor: and before I left it was a strange, another strange event, a a little synchronicity that happens in people's lives all the time. If I pay it, paid attention. I, my my son, was waiting to take me to the plane. He's waiting in the car. So just a minute calling, and he came in the house. I picked up a little book
00:36:30.510 --> 00:36:39.240 Pearl Gregor: called uh initiation. The way of initiation uh is sent to the goddess. And so that book
00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:57.510 Pearl Gregor: was was a clear message around Anana and the descent to An Anna, and I found that the dreams had followed that descent all the way through to to a dream that came close to the end of the journey, that I was on seven year journey, and maybe that was related to the seven years
00:36:57.520 --> 00:37:09.430 Pearl Gregor: in that first dream the the seven floors that I would fall I don't know, but the seven came up quite often. Many people will remember. Seven is the key number. Well, there's a reason for luck,
00:37:09.450 --> 00:37:17.140 Pearl Gregor: and it's quite often related to more than work. So again related to that spiritual world that that many of us
00:37:17.490 --> 00:37:28.349 Pearl Gregor: live in and Don't we're not real aware of that living that we're. We're surrounded by a a loving presence at all times. We don't really pay a lot of attention to,
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:45.779 Pearl Gregor: but I began to write that book, and I published it in two thousand and eighteen, So that took quite a long time to write the first book second, and the third came quickly right thereafter because it was. I now knew what I where I was trying to go with this book, and I knew where I wanted to end,
00:37:45.790 --> 00:37:59.370 Pearl Gregor: that the it's. It ended at seven years, very, very close to seven years. So that's how I started the first one and the second, one second, second, one came in two thousand and nineteen, the third one in two thousand and twenty.
00:37:59.450 --> 00:38:01.720 Pearl Gregor: It came very, very quickly
00:38:02.030 --> 00:38:13.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: in the process of writing these books. Did you learn anything about yourself that kind of surprised you? Or was it really just the telling of a story for you?
00:38:15.290 --> 00:38:21.860 Pearl Gregor: So sorry I missed that, I said I. I learned a great deal about myself, because I
00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:37.960 Pearl Gregor: in the dream. I had no idea that this descent is so possible, and it changed my identity. I I became much more out outgoing. But I was, i'm, a an introvert by personality, and by by
00:38:37.970 --> 00:38:57.379 Pearl Gregor: testing, by inventory of personality. And i'm a very very deep introvert actually. And I learned that I am an introvert. And there's that's normal there's there's twenty-five percent of the world or introverts were outnumbered by an extroverts quite significantly. So we think there's something wrong with this. But there really isn't
00:38:57.390 --> 00:39:12.540 Pearl Gregor: It's like there's a book written by Susan Kane called Um quiet, and She claims that enterprise will take over the world eventually. So I'm. I'm with her. We're in the process of taking over the world because we're we tend to, to, not
00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:28.489 Pearl Gregor: our. Our most operandi is not to say anything until we're sure that we we know what we're talking about, so we don't. We don't go on talk shows until we're pretty sure we don't write books until we're Darn sure we we think about things for a long time
00:39:28.600 --> 00:39:52.750 Pearl Gregor: now. The journaling was a big part of what I what I had. Every dream was written in a journal, every dream that I ever had. So as i'm, working with those dreams as they came along, or it would have been too overwhelming to start to write in two thousand and fifteen, and try to to make sense of all that dream material, because there was. I had twenty-two journals when I started. I have about thirty-five now
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.939 Pearl Gregor: but so that just what you're doing all the time,
00:39:56.980 --> 00:40:13.430 Pearl Gregor: and you discover that symbolism pops up in the strangest places where you're reading books that have no relationship to dreams. I was reading a book, for example, by S. Days called Women who run with the walls. It's quite a famous book around among women, and
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:40.710 Pearl Gregor: that they the endurance is important, and when they finally hear the words, the endurance run is over. They know that they've learned what they're needing to learn, so that depression taught me a lot of compression for people who are having illnesses. I mean it, and and forgiveness for myself and the man who molested me.
00:40:40.930 --> 00:40:52.609 Pearl Gregor: I mean what I was when that experience of of the the was happening. I was mumbling to myself, That poor man, that poor man, my girlfriend, is She's a well, I I could kill him
00:40:52.620 --> 00:41:07.839 Pearl Gregor: because she was. She was so angry with what I had lived through when it, and that all was gone for me. I never for one minute felt angry with what had happened, which is quite strange when you think of being depressed for all those years, you know. But it was gone,
00:41:07.910 --> 00:41:25.759 Pearl Gregor: and that i'm forever thankful for, because I wasn't left with the bitterness. I was left with a great joy, actually, that I had learned so much about what I needed to do in my life
00:41:25.770 --> 00:41:42.999 Pearl Gregor: like a a spiritual journey that took you places. You didn't even expect to go. He absolutely took me places. I had no idea we're even available. I mean I had prayed I had I as a young kid. I was very attuned to the saints,
00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:55.910 Pearl Gregor: and I would read, and I I read about um really strange stuff. If you read the Lives of the Saints, you'll recognize that there were saints who were beheaded. There were saints who were who were
00:41:56.110 --> 00:42:12.160 Pearl Gregor: well. Joan of Art comes to mind. Um St. Cecilia comes to mind that's my middle name. Um! She was beheaded for her face, and that those women were. Some of them were incredibly powerful. I don't think that was healthy,
00:42:12.200 --> 00:42:21.710 Pearl Gregor: that they were willing to do that. I don't think that's necessarily what we're after in the world of spirituality. However, that's what they lived through, and I was quite.
00:42:22.260 --> 00:42:34.109 Pearl Gregor: I I knew that miracles had happened. I had read the miracles of Fatima or Fatima, the miracles that Lourdes, the miracles of Mejigori. I was familiar with all that, and had a deep devotion to Mother Mary.
00:42:34.490 --> 00:42:45.009 Pearl Gregor: I I didn't talk much about an experience I had. When I was sixteen I went away to school. I was very attuned to music, and I was going to take music and voice,
00:42:45.020 --> 00:42:57.810 Pearl Gregor: and my dad was a a a great musician, and he was pleased as Punch that I wanted to do that. So off I went to Calgary, which is about three hundred miles, three hundred and fifty miles, maybe, from where I grew up
00:42:57.850 --> 00:43:06.250 Pearl Gregor: to go to private school. I didn't last very long, because I began to hear voices there too. But they they were not voices that I
00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:13.750 Pearl Gregor: they they! I didn't know anything about that idea. I had no clue about what what that could possibly mean.
00:43:13.910 --> 00:43:33.839 Pearl Gregor: I didn't know much more about it when I was forty-three, but I knew that it was it. It was hadn't killed me before when it happened, you know, so it wasn't for me. It was just part of what happened, and I would just get to the point where I would voices and there would be garbled. There was nothing I could make of them, but
00:43:33.850 --> 00:43:48.930 Pearl Gregor: when it Eventually they became much more clear, and they they said things that I could understand like the endurance run is over. That's not a normal thing, but it's clearly. At least you didn't have a clue what it meant, but at least it was clear it wasn't garbled
00:43:48.940 --> 00:44:05.160 Pearl Gregor: right right. Do you still hear voices? Not as much now. Now i'm not much more aware of their inner. They're your own inner voice. Everybody has an inner voice. We just don't learn to to pay attention. I learned a great deal about about intuition.
00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:13.899 Pearl Gregor: What is intuition? And following my intuition, and not being not being afraid to do what doesn't look like it's
00:44:14.490 --> 00:44:27.370 Pearl Gregor: should be done. It's something that you just go. You You have this idea that you need to talk to a certain person. You walk across the room, and you talk to them, which is different than I would.
00:44:28.060 --> 00:44:35.099 Pearl Gregor: Well, I I did a a Myra Briggs when I was in New York, studying dreams in one thousand nine hundred and ninety-one.
00:44:35.140 --> 00:44:46.150 Pearl Gregor: I went to to Mary Nol Center. You may know it it's It's in the Hudson River Valley, as as you know, in part of New York, Anyway, I went down there, and and uh,
00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:49.060 Pearl Gregor: I know I forgot where I was going with this story
00:44:49.380 --> 00:45:09.449 Pearl Gregor: where I was going to wasn't here in voices. Uh, uh, um! You were saying something about the mayor's breakdown right, for Father John Rich was the the man in charge of this there was a a lady as well Sister Sylvia and another man, and Baptist minister, who was running this dream intensive, they called it,
00:45:09.570 --> 00:45:11.069 Pearl Gregor: and so
00:45:11.140 --> 00:45:12.879 Pearl Gregor: I I,
00:45:13.560 --> 00:45:18.410 Pearl Gregor: he said to me, you want to do a myer, Briggs, You said I think you should. So I did it.
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:35.390 Pearl Gregor: He comes back a little while later he's got the results, and he says so, Pearl, if you go into a room with a hundred people, what do you do? I said, hide behind a post, you know. That's why I would have never. I would have been at the back of the room where nobody i'm sure nobody would talk to me, I would be perfectly safe back there.
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:50.039 Pearl Gregor: So that's I learned that I am. I learned about being an introvert. I had never known that before. In fact, quite often that's a bit of an insult. When somebody say, Well, you're just. You must be an introvert. It's not something that's a powerful thing,
00:45:50.070 --> 00:46:04.210 Pearl Gregor: but it became a big part of who I was, and it became part of who I was. As a person I could sit. I could go for days and write and write and write and not worry about anybody around me.
00:46:04.330 --> 00:46:25.410 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Powerful, very special people who are introverts. So you're in good company. We we. We have to take our last break of the show when we come back. I would love to hear if you what kind of advice you would have for people today younger people who have some unexplainable experience, and they're sort of starting their spiritual journey like what advice you would have for them. Okay, Perl:
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:39.389 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Oh, yes, okay, All right. Wonderful. So everyone, please stay tuned. You're listening to the conscious console now weakening humanity. Our guess this hour has been Pearl Gregor, and we will be right back in just a moment.
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00:48:46.900 --> 00:49:00.289 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and welcome back to the conscious consult, now awakening humanity and speaking this hour with Pearl Gregor, author of The Dreams along the way books. Um! So, Pearl, You've
00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:25.479 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: had some very unusual experiences, though I have to tell you. I've had a lot of people on my show over the years. You've had also had unusual experiences. So you're in good company. Um, and i'm just wondering for our audience who are listening, who maybe they've just had some strange experiences, some strange dreams, or or or they they somehow got attracted to something
00:49:25.670 --> 00:49:32.950 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: that they don't understand. What what advice would you have for somebody who's in a way just starting their spiritual journey?
00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:51.100 Pearl Gregor: Well, if I were, if I was to do this over again. Of course you have to think about it just came. It didn't it? Wasn't a plan. There was no plan to have this kind of thing happen. I was very lucky that I had people around me saying, Well, maybe you need to try this. I would suggest that you write down the experience first of all,
00:49:51.110 --> 00:49:58.500 Pearl Gregor: and you write down the questions that you would have about the experience, because when I write these questions I often get the answers.
00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:17.430 Pearl Gregor: If I intend that intentionality is a huge part of this, I intend to understand this experience, and so i'll. Things start to happen that come to me, and I. I need to learn a little bit about journaling, because journaling writing is the most powerful mechanism that we have
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:36.530 Pearl Gregor: talking is nowhere near writing when it. You can listen to many people and you. But you need to write down or or draw some way of of keeping that, or getting that into a body embodied experience. What we talk about as embodied you need to to participate in
00:50:36.540 --> 00:50:45.309 Pearl Gregor: something mental, something spiritual, something emotional, and something physical. So I mean the physicality of it I was doing.
00:50:45.320 --> 00:51:10.019 Pearl Gregor: I was. My husband was very determined that I would go to the Sauna because that the depression was huge, but the Sauna seems somehow to relieve some of that, and I don't know why. But think about the ancient aboriginal people, and how what they did with hot baths, or with their with their sweat lodges. Those are not just. Those are not just to make you feel better. Those are
00:51:16.580 --> 00:51:31.099 Pearl Gregor: heat. Lodge will brings sometimes some of these adventures that people go on, and so writing them down and recording them somehow, and then paying attention and trying to read about that experience,
00:51:31.110 --> 00:51:37.600 Pearl Gregor: not that particular experience. But let's say dreams, because when I learned about dreams, I learned about the unconscious,
00:51:37.680 --> 00:51:43.959 Pearl Gregor: and that's where this where this experience is a young child. I had put this experience away,
00:51:43.970 --> 00:51:59.890 Pearl Gregor: because what does the two year old or an eighteen month old child understand about this? Absolutely nothing. But it has an impact. We don't realize what an impact these kinds of events have on small children. We think they forget about it. Well, they forget about it, but it's not.
00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:08.800 Pearl Gregor: It's not forgotten. It's gotten in the mind. The body never forgets you've probably heard, and he is very
00:52:08.850 --> 00:52:19.360 Pearl Gregor: his his book. The body knows is so true. For anyone who's had these kinds of experiences the body remembers, and the the body
00:52:19.370 --> 00:52:28.969 Pearl Gregor: going through depression has a very bad time of it. My body is still trying to recover from all of those years of of depression.
00:52:29.380 --> 00:52:39.770 Pearl Gregor: So it's not something that just goes away. The The inner world of it changed, but the outer world of it from the body Perspective took a lot of uh.
00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:58.060 Pearl Gregor: It took a lot of of meditation and a lot of uh massage, a lot of walking. I did a ton of time, tons of walking, walking, and meditative walking labyrinths, walking, walking for an intention of of healing. So those are. I would start with walking and writing,
00:52:58.220 --> 00:53:06.659 Pearl Gregor: and I would start with reading, reading, walking, and writing, and meditation is huge, because when we go into our own interior world
00:53:06.710 --> 00:53:20.510 Pearl Gregor: learning to be quiet, and and we we can't hear our own south. If we're not ever quiet, we don't shut up long enough to hear ourselves. You know we have to. It's, and it's hard work in a culture that talks all the time,
00:53:20.520 --> 00:53:30.070 Pearl Gregor: but the going down stop texting talk Exactly. Set an hour a day at least bare minimum, especially before you go to sleep
00:53:30.130 --> 00:53:48.860 Pearl Gregor: and and ask yourself to remember a dream. I will remember a dream tonight, and then learn to work with those dreams. I mean, I learned. And I now work with tons of people in there with their dreams and zoom, I hate to say, but the pandemic has been a a gift for for people because they were at home.
00:53:48.870 --> 00:54:07.410 Pearl Gregor: Yes, they they found out about dream work, and they they got on the zoom calls with me, and that's a big gift for me and for them, because I like to. I like to share what I know, and it's important for other people to hear It's going on Talk shows like yours. Thank you for inviting me to make a big difference for people,
00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:21.219 Pearl Gregor: because they can hear that this is. This is a person who seems fairly normal or sounds fairly normal, I think, but has had some incredible experiences with healing, right, you know. So a lot of people work with their dreams.
00:54:21.230 --> 00:54:36.240 Pearl Gregor: And there the first thing I hear is what I had this weird dream last night. Of course it was weird, weird means wise. It's just in different. It's not in pure English, but weird. If you look at the etymology of weird. It would be wise.
00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:41.599 Pearl Gregor: So I say, i'm a weird old woman, and I've actually given talks about being weird because it's kind of fun.
00:54:41.610 --> 00:55:01.819 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah. Well, we're We're coming to the end of the show. Um! Before we end. I would just love to give you an opportunity to share with people. I don't know if you have a website, or or where people can find your books, so just to let people know if they, if something you said kind of sparked an interest in them. How they can reach out to you.
00:55:01.830 --> 00:55:10.020 Pearl Gregor: They can go to Amazon, dot ca or Amazon dot Com. My books are all there. Then the names of them are either woman planted the tree,
00:55:10.580 --> 00:55:12.260 Pearl Gregor: authoring self
00:55:12.470 --> 00:55:17.379 Pearl Gregor: and cauldron of the feminine. If you look up dreams, my name will come up.
00:55:17.450 --> 00:55:31.400 Pearl Gregor: I I do have a website. It's got a lot of my experiences written on the website, so you can look, and you can sign up for a dream circle on there. You can sign up for individual sessions. Many people start with individual because they've got
00:55:31.410 --> 00:55:58.540 Pearl Gregor: very personal stories that they don't want to share with a big group of people. Yeah, they're not ready to get into that which is fine, and your website is Pearl Gregor dot com. No, my website is www dot dreams along the way. Oh, dreams along the way. Yes, it's quite easy, and even if you just look up dreams. My my website will usually come pops up close to the top, if not at the top,
00:55:58.650 --> 00:56:28.150 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: so wonderful. Well, Pearl, thank you so much for taking the time to come on my show today. I truly appreciate you. I know you've You've had a a very interesting life, which isn't always an easy life, but an interesting life, and I really appreciate you sharing your story and sharing yourself with people because I agree with you. More people need to hear stories like this, so they can understand that, you know There, there is more to life sometimes than we than we. Uh,
00:56:28.170 --> 00:56:29.770 we take for granted.
00:56:29.780 --> 00:56:50.639 Pearl Gregor: Yeah, there's a great deal for life session. When we get you begin to look at it from a different perspective, which will happen when you begin to study dreams because they will force you to look at a different perspective. So thank you very much for inviting me on It's It's been a great pleasure to talk about my experiences, and hopefully other people will
00:56:50.750 --> 00:57:06.989 Pearl Gregor: come. Well, we'll be curious about those experiences, and come and talk with me on my own, on my website, and that's always open to, and it's around the world, which is the best thing of of the modern age. You can talk to people in all parts of the planet.
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:36.980 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: Yeah, and we will make sure to post Link to the website on the show notes. So thank you. Thank you, Pearl. Thank you all. Thank you my loyal listeners for tuning in today. Um, you know. Without you there is no show, and of course, if you missed any part of today's show, you can always catch the replay on talk radio Andyc on Youtube and on all the podcasting platforms. Apple Google Stitcher, Spotify Pandora. I heart radio Whatever your favorite podcasting platform is just search like, not just for the conscious consultant hour,
00:57:36.990 --> 00:57:42.780 Sam Liebowitz | The Conscious Consultant: and you'll find it there. Thank you all for tuning in. We will talk to you all next week.
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