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Our audience will learn methods and tips for maximizing connection in the virtual workplace, and for forming meaningful bonds over Zoom and other video forums.
As humans, we crave connection through speech, touch, and acknowledgement of presence, but in the aftermath of the pandemic, that connection may seem weakened in the workplace. A change to a remote workforce, WFH, and hybrid settings have created "the virtual meeting space," remote and onscreen in order to function in a new era while working, learning, and being. How can we, as employers, employees, and business owners, build genuine relationships virtually when conducting business online? How do we keep our employees engaged and connected when they are miles and miles apart?
There are many things we can do, from learning to read body language in a more subtle and nuanced way, to getting a bit more personal in our conversation pre AND post meeting. On the next episode of Employment Law Today, tune in when my special guest, Betty Monroe, connective engagement coach and film and TV actor, and I discuss methods and tips for maximizing connection in the virtual workplace. A must see for remote or hybrid employers!
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Eric welcomes his guest, Betty Monroe, who is a connective engagement coach and film and TV actor. Betty talks about her journey in her career being able to combine her passions of being an elementary school teacher, engagement coach and actor. She grew up in Los Angeles, her grandfather worked for Paramount Pictures in Columbia for many years as a cinematographer and cameraman. She didn't begin acting professionally until she got into her 30s.before this, she was teaching. During the pandemic, she decided to leave teaching and began working as a podcast producer for a sales enablement podcast, producing about 165 episodes. Throughout this time, she saw this online environment struggling like with zoom and decided to use her acting knowledge to help with the virtual aesthetics with how one can look better on camera. This then moved to the need for interpersonal and soft skill connection. Betty also talks about a common complaint she hears about building connections virtually compared to physically connecting. She goes into talking about how simple it can be to connect virtually like keeping the body language the same as you would in person and not thinking too hard about the physical difference of being on camera.
Betty talks more about misinterpreting body language on zoom. She brings up an analogy she uses and teaches called KISS (Keeping It Simple Stupid). People may be placing so much importance on little things that aren't as important as being you and your authentic self. Throughout this time with many of us using zoom, we go through challenges; it's okay to have these struggles to adapt. She also brings up the struggles of having too many meetings in a schedule. She says that this is important to bring a sense of empathy and vulnerability. Betty also mentions the productivity rising in many companies with businesses getting more things done. She believes that after 2 and a half years, we are finding the balance in how we use virtual meetings. Betty says we no longer have to wear high heels or a buttoned suit. Eric mentions the humor in how different virtual meetings can be with activities such as eating or having interruptions in the background. Betty says we still need to maintain professionalism and know better and not wear boxer shorts or have a food stain on your shirt. But she emphasizes to still be comfortable and be human.
Betty says that human connection is more important now than ever because there was a loss in skills due to the pandemic but also due to being stuck in the world of technology. There was a lack of connection at a human level. But she says you can connect at a human level in this way as well. Betty mentions tips on making zoom more relatable and engaging. She says one way is to begin each meeting with something personal like what might be behind the person on camera. You can also ask the person something about themselves. Betty also mentions sharing something about yourself in an email to break the ice to build a connection. When you start at a personal level, you can become more personal and build a trust and genuine relationship. Eric and Betty discuss the uncertainty and awkwardness that comes up with speaking and behaving on camera. Eric brings up the “black box” where someone doesn't have their camera on. Eric describes this as only one person being fully present. Especially if the meeting relates to you if there's more than two people or if you are meeting for the first time, you should have your camera on. Overall though, it shows that you value the other person's time and are fully present to what's happening.
Coming back from the final break, Eric asks Betty about how she distinguishes herself from other connective engagement coaches. Betty says that she doesn't know enough coaches that do the same work she does. She describes this as a unique niche. She mentions a success story of working with an attorney to help rearrange their office so that his virtual engagements would be more professional and engaging for him. All it took was about an hour of working on this which made this client happy. She has also worked with a top sales management university in the UK called Cranfield School of Management. Betty was given a great review where they mentioned that their metrics improved after applying the take-aways they got from their conversation with Betty. She also mentions tips for improving how comfortable you are when agemening virtually, such as getting a riser to be at eye level, buying a ring light, or putting on your favorite shirt. These are things that not only help with your confidence but also make you look good. She also mentions again about bringing humor in these situations which humanizes everyone. You can find Betty Monroe on Linkedin, connectiveengagement.com, and through her email at firstname.lastname@example.org
00:00:34.050 --> 00:01:02.259 Employment Law Today: good evening. Welcome to employment law today. I'm your host, Eric Sauder. I'm an employment law and business law attorney in New York and I host this live weekly talk radio show and this live video broadcast every Tuesday night from five Pm. To six Pm. Eastern Standard time where I have guests who discuss some of the most novel and interesting and relevant issues that employers and business owners are facing today. During these challenging and trying times.
00:01:15.460 --> 00:01:36.890 Employment Law Today: I think you might be muted. There happens to all, I guess. No worries every time you're welcome. It's a push to have you on this evening. We've got a great topic. I learned just how, I guess, or audience rather than the topic is that i'll give you a proper introduction, and we can get into an interesting and engaging discussion. That sounds good to you.
00:01:36.900 --> 00:01:56.019 Employment Law Today: All right. Let's do it. So. Um! The topic tonight. Folks is hybrid humanity staying connected in a virtual workplace. And what we're talking about really is the fact that as humans, you know, we create connection right through speech, touch an acknowledment of presence.
00:01:56.030 --> 00:02:15.400 Employment Law Today: But in the last half of the pandemic the connection may seem weakened in the workplace. Now it changed through remote workforce work from home environments and hybrid settings have created their virtual meeting space remote and on a screen in order to function in a new era while working, learning and me.
00:02:15.510 --> 00:02:25.759 Employment Law Today: So the question becomes, How can we, as employers, employees, and business owners, build genuine relationships virtually when conducting business online?
00:02:25.890 --> 00:02:29.050 Employment Law Today: How do we keep our employees engaged and connected.
00:02:29.160 --> 00:02:38.279 Employment Law Today: Um when they are miles and lost part, and there are many things we can do from learning to read body language in a more subtle and nuanced way.
00:02:38.290 --> 00:03:02.430 Employment Law Today: For example, it's getting a bit more personal in our conversation, both Pre and post meeting. So on Site's episode today. Our special guest, Betty Monroe, is a connective engagement coach, film and Tv actor, and we'll discuss some of these methods to maximize the connection in a virtual workplace. It's really a monkey show for anyone out there who may be a remote or hybrid.
00:03:02.480 --> 00:03:23.450 Employment Law Today: And with that i'd like to just read a little bit about Betty's uh background. Um, As I mentioned, Betty Monrell is professional actor, a teacher, and a technical engage with consultant originally from Los Angeles, now residing in Atlanta, Georgia, while actively working in the southeast market as a film and television actress
00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:41.570 Employment Law Today: as a mom of three, a school teacher of more than twenty years and an active coach. Her many years of experience in the classroom at the entertainment industry provide a solid foundation and a segue into coaching businesses and sell professionals in interpersonal relationships, and communication
00:03:58.060 --> 00:04:06.160 Employment Law Today: in both in-person and virtual environments. Well, that he has really great to have you with such a great topic to talk about this evening
00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.310 BETTY MONROE: right now. I'm excited to be here. Thank you so much again for having me
00:04:10.420 --> 00:04:25.040 Employment Law Today: my pleasure Absolutely so. You know they One question I asked on to all my guests is to tell a little bit more about yourself mainly. How did you did your clear initially start out, and then what will help you to become an actor and a connected engagement with something
00:04:25.100 --> 00:04:55.089 BETTY MONROE: I know it sounds. It's an odd combo. Um, it is for sure. Um! I just to make a living with a combination of different passions that I've had throughout my lifetime. Um! But as a teacher and a performer and an artist. And now I get to kind of combine those things and continue being a helper, as Fred Rogers used to love to say, I always look for the helpers right, but i'm now finding myself in a corporate world. Um, you know you asked how I got there from being an elementary educator,
00:04:55.100 --> 00:05:14.780 BETTY MONROE: mom and an actor? Um! The acting part was easy. I grew up in Los Angeles in the industry. I have a uh, my late grandfather, who is pictures behind me. Um! He was a cinematographer and cameraman for paramount pictures in Columbia for fifty, six and seven years. Um! But actually that at it as a deterrent,
00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:20.029 BETTY MONROE: and I didn't begin working professionally until I was in my late thirties. I was a school teacher and a mom.
00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:27.699 BETTY MONROE: I went to college to become an early childhood professional, and then um post divorce. I wasn't really sure what I wanted to do,
00:05:27.710 --> 00:05:41.150 BETTY MONROE: and i'd been a stay at home, mom, for a significant period of time, and decided to go back into teaching part time as a long term substitute for two elementary schools, which I did for eleven years. Um, as well as working as an actress in the southeast market.
00:05:41.800 --> 00:06:11.019 BETTY MONROE: Um fast forward to a little bit before the pandemic. I had decided it was time to leave teaching for many reasons which would be a whole leather show also. Uh, God bless my public school and private teachers, You guys are heroes, for sure. Um! But when the pandemic hit I had begun working as a podcast producer for a sales enablement based podcast through a sales enablement from called Media fly out of Chicago, and we produced about a hundred and sixty-five episodes,
00:06:11.030 --> 00:06:16.719 BETTY MONROE: and as the pandemic came into view, I started seeing my sellers really really struggling
00:06:16.730 --> 00:06:46.710 BETTY MONROE: in this environment, and as we like to joke. I'll be inappropriate, and I can make the Jeffrey Tubin joke, because, you know, we we were seeing all kinds of fun things. People in the jam with people sitting on their beds, people looking like this on camera right? So as an actress, I thought, Okay, I can absolutely help people with the virtual meeting, aesthetics, how to let yourself how to set your camera up, what to wear, what not to wear, what what to do, what not to do. Please. Don't need to steak dinner on camera which me and Don't wear your boxes.
00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.850 BETTY MONROE: And then it moved more into
00:06:50.870 --> 00:07:00.580 BETTY MONROE: the need for interpersonal and soft skill connection, and I really had a passion for that, You know. Actors and sellers and service providers have so much in common,
00:07:00.590 --> 00:07:17.909 BETTY MONROE: and I thought I can really help people using the same skills I use as an actress and a teacher to help sales, professionals, and other people, such as attorneys who are struggling in, you know, maybe a virtual deposition space to really kind of figure out how to make it all come together conducively.
00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:37.270 Employment Law Today: Yeah. Well, it's interesting, You know. I hear about. You know the multiple passions that have their own um inter interlap, and how they all kind of into over together. Um! And the part about your grandfather, but yet that being a sort of a deterrent at first, and going into acting um, just really, you know, Interesting stuff there to share with us. I mean
00:07:47.900 --> 00:07:57.620 Employment Law Today: grow to our responsible adults, and then you get to work with those adults as a collective, a user coach so really good to see that, you know. I think a lot of us have
00:08:23.280 --> 00:08:36.010 Employment Law Today: question for the topic, right, which are like specifically, what are some of the communication and connection challenges? Perhaps, that employers and employees face in the virtual or the near virtual workspace.
00:08:36.159 --> 00:09:05.130 BETTY MONROE: Well, I think there's many I mean some of the most common complaints, I hear are okay. I'm used to face to face validability, connection and human to human interaction. And how on earth am I supposed to build a genuine relationship with someone in a box on a screen as opposed to being in a room with someone and feeling their energetic, tangible physical presence right, of course, as human beings we're hardwired to to biologically need a tangible physicality, right?
00:09:05.140 --> 00:09:22.589 BETTY MONROE: But we can still connect this way, and it's about simply changing the way we look at things, you know. There's the mean that's gone around a hundred times with the kitten hanging upside down. If we change the way we look at things, the things we look at change, and it's really not as complicated as most people seem to think. I think. Um,
00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:27.970 BETTY MONROE: it is it? It is a a series of little simplicities.
00:09:27.980 --> 00:09:53.519 BETTY MONROE: Um, for example, the way we read body language as long as you can see at least this, much of me tell what i'm thinking, feeling my arms are across. I'm. Close off. If i'm leaning towards you and listening, and you can see my hands, i'm more likely to build trust with you, because you know that i'm not playing on my phone and ignoring you, or whatever it is that you can't see that i'm doing underneath here isn't taking to the importance of my communication with you.
00:09:54.340 --> 00:10:22.940 Employment Law Today: Yeah, that's interesting. Those I heard you say that you want little things right? Simplicity of like tweaking this here and there, including the um, The body language I know. Certainly. In the beginning I found zoom on the challenge I found i'm not using using zoom for some time now as an attorney, but when the pandemic hit it just every old time, sometimes one's eyes will change like away from the um from the camera, and that balancing of looking at somebody on the screen,
00:10:23.560 --> 00:10:52.219 Employment Law Today: but also remember to make eye contact with the camera. And it's that does that. One of the issues that you find people are either like focused on the screen so you can't see their eyes or they focus on this camera. It's so funny. It is something people are always asking me about, and I I like to kiss things. Keep it simple, stupid, right? I don't what this is. Me looking into the camera, and I can't see you. I would rather directly at you. You're talking to me on talking to you. I'm looking directly at you
00:10:52.230 --> 00:11:01.780 BETTY MONROE: and i'm not so concerned about the aesthetic of where I'm. Looking as to the fact that I am looking at you and connecting to you in the best way that I can in the given circumstance makes sense.
00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:10.689 Employment Law Today: It does. And I think that when you're looking at the person you're connecting, and then therefore your facial expressions right, your body language, your bearing,
00:11:10.700 --> 00:11:23.050 Employment Law Today: is more likely to be authentic and real, perhaps, that if you look just at the camera sort of not present fully. Is that what you see as well? Yes, and I understand the need, you know, especially as the working actor.
00:11:23.060 --> 00:11:52.379 BETTY MONROE: Everybody is self conscious, and everybody is their own worst critic, and some of the I heard at the beginning were, you know, one of one of our sellers. God bless Mike! I love him. Um big guy fall to head, And he said, I feel like everybody is only staring at my lack of hair, but you have so much value to impart, and anyone who takes you seriously is going to be listening to you, and nobody cares if you don't have that much hair on your head, you know, and I get that, especially as a limit.
00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:54.879 BETTY MONROE: But think about,
00:11:54.960 --> 00:12:16.130 BETTY MONROE: you know, thinking about from an actor's perspective, you know. We look directly into the camera. We're not going to be believable unless it is a given that we have the camera in a comedic situation or commercial commercial situation, right? But if I look directly into the camera and i'm not looking at my acting partner, that's just weird, right same here. I'm looking directly on the camera. But i'm talking to you. That's just weird to me.
00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:24.439 BETTY MONROE: Each person is gonna have their own unique comfort level and depending on what they value as professional or important,
00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:26.410 Employment Law Today: Right?
00:12:26.420 --> 00:12:45.439 Employment Law Today: Right? You know all interesting points there really is, especially because you hear different perspectives about looking right to the camera or looking at the person or doing both. But I guess there is some level of comfort that the person has to feel, and I guess when you're looking at the person, as you know you mentioned, there's just a different It's more wheel, right or organic. Then,
00:12:45.450 --> 00:13:11.979 Employment Law Today: just to get the cap, the camera. I think the acting analogy, I think really, you know um is is is well taken. Um, and i'm also just i'm seeing how people struggle with everything from sounds like the posture, you know. Um, but we're in a room. We could be sitting or standing and and sort of moving around. We're networking on zoom we're kind of sitting for a long time often, and it could feel, like, you know, a little little odd.
00:13:11.990 --> 00:13:39.070 Employment Law Today: Believe it or not, Betty, we're actually at our very first commercial rate. Um. So I would just let our audience know that you're listening to. And or perhaps you're watching our show employment law today. I'm Host Eric Somber, our guest tonight. Uh, very talented, this betting with row, and our topic is hybrid humanity. Staying connected in a virtual workplace, we come back. We'll talk more about the trends of Betty, sees some tips and strategies for being more connected. So stick around. We'll be right back.
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00:15:53.560 --> 00:16:21.619 Employment Law Today: welcome back to employment law today. Once again your host, Eric sober, I'm. An employment long business law attorney here in New York, our guest tonight uh Tv actress, film actress and uh teacher and connective engagement consultant that in a row we're talking about hybrid imaging, staying connected to virtual workplace. And that last question Betty, about some of the communication and connection challenge that employers and employees facing the virtual workplace.
00:16:21.630 --> 00:16:41.209 Employment Law Today: I'm just wondering if you can maybe speak to how uh people's. Perhaps either misleading of signals, or just a lack of perhaps uh just misery. Language by language on zoom can lead to communication breakdown between co-workers or employees.
00:16:41.560 --> 00:17:00.080 BETTY MONROE: You know, I think, going back again to the kiss analogy, keeping it simple, stupid. I think people are placing so much importance on these little things that are, and um, or is escaping me, not nearly as important as simply being your authentic. So
00:17:00.090 --> 00:17:04.000 BETTY MONROE: you being you, we are all human beings, being human,
00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:19.380 BETTY MONROE: and while this is no longer the new normal, it's just kind of the normal, and it's constantly having and flowing like a wave, you know. Think of it as a beach, and every time the wave pulls out there's something new to see. So it it it's about
00:17:19.390 --> 00:17:49.370 BETTY MONROE: figuring out how you can still be authentic and not focus on the minute things that don't really matter, and getting back to the future. That's a phrase I like to use. We do need to get back to the future. This is now the norm. It's not going anywhere, and I think it's about being self-aware, knowing where you need to grow as an individual and not worrying about the little stuff it's difficult, you know one of the complaints I use, especially if you're say a you know a sales professional in your meeting, and a new prospect for the first time
00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:56.919 BETTY MONROE: via zoom um. You know one of the most important things you can do a A. And and i'll I'll check for a moment,
00:17:56.970 --> 00:18:26.760 BETTY MONROE: you know. Zoom fatigue. It's a real thing right. The less is more less is more. We don't need to be having eighteen zoom meetings in a day, so that employees are not able to accomplish all of the other tasks that they need to accomplish, and employers are going to be hard on them. Well, why wasn't this completed? Well, because you scheduled eighteen back to back one hour long zoom meetings for me, and I did, and I don't have time to breathe, and I know, exhausted all day is exhausting for even the most seasoned professional
00:18:26.870 --> 00:18:43.059 BETTY MONROE: um, you know. And so, thinking about these poor people who are just not used to this. And this is not your thing. I mean, if you are an Ip, you used to be in a cubicle in the back, and you've got right now, you know that's difficult, and I think this begs
00:18:43.070 --> 00:19:00.040 BETTY MONROE: the topic that I really harp on a lot lately in a good way. And not only is bringing the authenticity and self awareness in important everywhere corporate personally all aspects of life, but bringing people more importantly, a sense of empathy and vulnerability.
00:19:00.070 --> 00:19:17.370 BETTY MONROE: And I must emphasize that just because we're empathic towards our employees does not have to mean we have to agree with everything, but is a key component to building morale within a workspace, and really kind of bringing everyone together. Because, look,
00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:33.520 BETTY MONROE: we're still in this, it's not over, and it's It's brought about a significant and permanent change and changes for everybody. So it's about accepting the changes with grace and being aware and noticing a little things.
00:19:48.870 --> 00:20:18.599 Employment Law Today: How much do we maximize productivity and with zoom? But people not having to travel to and from meetings? They're certainly right. That tendency to want to over schedule because they think okay. Well, on zoom, I finish that call, and then i'm off them a background to minutes that I have to travel from Midtown to downtown and to up, and so people tend to over-schedule employers right and even employees amongst themselves, and I could see how you mentioned zoom fatigue. I know, speaking of experience, that um, when things first started
00:20:18.610 --> 00:20:48.189 Employment Law Today: I certainly would still be over scheduling um clients on zoom. And then eventually I just kind of staggered a bit. So if I could make a phone call, Let's do that, You know, we can talk by zoom, or even just because too many beings in one day. It's a different energy, I think, evolve right in terms of the level of focus, the level of in the rhythm of your speech, and just kind of how you look at the screen. And so I think it's definitely a real thing. You mentioned that zoom um. And also just the idea of being one's authentic self.
00:20:48.490 --> 00:21:11.729 Employment Law Today: Um, I've also found that I think that the etiquette of zoom is changing and evolving. You know, I think that people used to network in person. Let's say we have an employee staff meeting, and it was close lunchtime. People say we'll have a working lunch, and they bring the lunch to this conference, we would say, and maybe they eating while watching a presentation. But people aren't watching each other eat. But when you're on screen,
00:21:11.740 --> 00:21:39.719 Employment Law Today: whether it's in a networking group, or you know, uh conference rooms like you are right there. So if you're eating a messy sandwich, it's kind of you know. It's like eating a face right right? Right? And here's where we can bring the humor and levity. And so the reality is. We're all in this together. I mean it is what it is, and the pros so far outweigh the cons. While we are definitely going back to in person whenever possible. This Isn't going anywhere, as I mentioned, because
00:21:39.730 --> 00:21:49.820 BETTY MONROE: the productivity did rise in many, many areas. Um sales medical it's enabled for a lot of good right.
00:21:49.830 --> 00:22:10.659 BETTY MONROE: It's saving company companies, millions on former travel expenses. It's enabling people to find talent, say in Canada as opposed to six blocks down the road in Manhattan. Maybe there's a better fit. Um it's allowing parents to enjoy the milestones of their young children, which i'm sure you understand and respect It's allowing for more family kind. It's allowing for
00:22:10.670 --> 00:22:17.390 BETTY MONROE: a little bit more comfort. But it's a finding the balance right. Where does this scale from? Be? It's finding the balance
00:22:17.510 --> 00:22:29.620 BETTY MONROE: understanding what's going to work best for you as a unique individual working with your employer and as a cohesive unit, which is where the vulnerability and empathy comes in figuring you what works best for everybody involved,
00:22:29.830 --> 00:22:47.550 BETTY MONROE: and making it cohesive. Right? So when we're thinking about less is more right. We've now worked after two and a half years this isn't new Skype's been around forever and ever. This is just new in the sense that everybody and and their mother in law is doing it right, and on a very regular basis.
00:22:47.560 --> 00:23:16.809 BETTY MONROE: So where's the balance? How do we wait to scale so that everybody feels comfortable, And I think we're getting there. Um! But you know, the the most important thing is organization, leaders and management really need to maintain an awareness of the less of more right meetings should be more than fifteen to thirty minutes. Thirty minutes, Max. You gotta schedule a minimum of twenty minutes in between each meeting, so that your employees or yourself can get up, walk around, get a cup of coffee, go to the restroom, change your t-shirt,
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:33.199 BETTY MONROE: and you know That brings us to the level of professionalism and the etiquette. We don't have to wear a suit and tie anymore. It's a a nice sweater, a jacket with a a collar even a nice, solid color. T-shirt, if that's what you're comfortable in, and you look clean and professional.
00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:52.289 BETTY MONROE: Um. We no longer have to wear the buttoned up allows the high heels and everything else. Um, but it it has, I think it allows for a familiarity and a comfort level that can be beneficial if everyone involved is aware and willing to be open and vulnerable.
00:23:52.550 --> 00:24:21.349 Employment Law Today: Right? Yeah. I think that vulnerability that you mentioned. I think it. Perhaps in some ways They're pandemic for it out in all of us, because many of us, you know, we all recall and the you the earlier parts of the epidemic the first year, so like we're pretty much stuck at home. Um, we weren't in offices, and so we're on his work or business meetings right or call, and you know, you know people's like children as zoom bombers in the background. I remember one of my friends wife was on a work meeting, and
00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:50.659 Employment Law Today: um, you know to her, I think, at a time three or four year old daughter was in the background dancing, and you know, when happened to she was right, that people were laughing, and I think the later she told me story. She asked her daughter like you for you in the background, you know mommy's being dancing, and she said I had the dance that had to get out of me like, you know, something like that. But the people like I appreciate. You know they hear people with children in the background. They see, you know, people like, you know, guitar in the wall. So
00:24:50.670 --> 00:24:56.190 Employment Law Today: I mean, it's.
00:24:56.350 --> 00:25:26.279 Employment Law Today: Yeah. And I think that, you know, really adds like a level of you know, Comfort that. And some people, I think, maybe perhaps trouble with that level um vulnerability, you know, because they used to coming into an office. And you kind of apply your You know your corporate face, whatever you know your game face, and but it's certainly as interesting. I've seen many mediations in zoom conference where um and there's been different to, because you might have a a certain just code with courts. That might be, you know. Of course, everyone's field is different, but for the most part, you know, people have just
00:25:26.290 --> 00:25:56.270 Employment Law Today: down quite a bit. Um. I have seen folks don't take it too far, you know. They want to start close the Council in a zoom meeting with the judge of the that. It was unmade in that background, and they got it right. So you know, I think it's like, but that's to your point right? There's always a balance. It's about how much is too much. There's always an extreme to everything. And at this point we all know better, like Don't. Wear your box or shorts with your
00:25:56.280 --> 00:26:19.750 BETTY MONROE: on top and forget to turn the camera off before you get up to go to the bathroom. Nobody needs to do that, but we've all been in calls where we've seen it, and I love that you like, and it's a little girl behind. I mean. My favorite story is the naked four year old running right behind you on camera when you got, and you want everybody to laugh because this is the thing.
00:26:19.760 --> 00:26:37.090 BETTY MONROE: Yes, we need to maintain a level of professionalism. It takes seven seconds for the average person to form a first impression. So be professional. Don't. Wear a shirt with tea holes in it. Don't have on yet this kind of thing. Right? People. Common sense,
00:26:37.100 --> 00:26:51.579 BETTY MONROE: don't. Sit on your bed and don't wear your pajamas on screen, but be comfortable and be human be a human being, being human. That is my favorite saying in regard to this whole world, this whole environment, this whole new
00:26:51.670 --> 00:26:59.929 BETTY MONROE: era, this virtual of working together because we need to work together. And I think that's the important thing to remember.
00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:17.649 Employment Law Today: That's a good point, I think, And then at people's as you mentioned. You know, common sense like the Middle Ground, right? Because even before zoom, they're always the people that say, you know, you know they'll Friday the same time as casual Friday. And there's always that one person who might win for the rest by coming in with, you know, a cut off
00:27:17.660 --> 00:27:34.410 Employment Law Today: going to tain top, and you know, stand those open to the sandals and stuff. So it's about, you know. So meeting your audience and knowing what your culture is, what the environment is. Um, but certainly there to your point about just you know kind of um being present and being open and vulnerable, I think,
00:27:39.730 --> 00:28:08.449 Employment Law Today: with zoom as much as we do in person. Um, you know, in terms of like just kind of being who we are. It's interesting. I think, that you know people in employment situations like look to their coworkers for a certain let's say queues as to how they're receiving something, and sometimes in person you can see someone. For example, if their body is shifting another direction, let's say, or they're looking off the side. Maybe they're distracted and zoom. That could be a little hard to tell right if someone let's say, you know, is maybe
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:35.570 BETTY MONROE: like edging for the door. You're not sure, are they? Are they just distracted by their four year old. The background over there, are they uh board? So maybe it's good to ask those questions. I wonder? You know we thought I think It's okay to put in the chat. Hey? You know my baby's like. Give me a second. I'll be right back, kid kiddo drama, You know we're all there, and you know I was on a podcast where somebody addressed the generation G. To me,
00:28:35.580 --> 00:28:54.029 BETTY MONROE: and I think that everybody has to learn from everybody else right now. Right, we'll change the change as hard as our changes are. Nobody likes to be uncomfortable or or escape their box right? So it's about working together to understand where everybody is at and has come to.
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:55.620 Employment Law Today: Hmm.
00:28:55.710 --> 00:29:25.470 Employment Law Today: Interesting point. You know. It's funny. Your exportion breaks so we have about thirty seconds, so I might as well take it now on that interesting sort of pipel. There, um folks you're listening to are watching from climate law today. My guest tonight. Um. This is Betty Monroe. We come back. We'll talk more about some trends, you know. Betty mentioned Trans. You foresee the picture. But how will we interact as perhaps a fully virtual workforce and salesforce, and and then some tools and strategies, you know, for an up and a game increasing your connectivity.
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00:31:31.900 --> 00:31:46.129 Employment Law Today: welcome back to employment law today as we host Aaron, and here tonight with our guest betting my room. We're just chatting, and then uh chat box commercial about different, you know. So I guess
00:31:46.140 --> 00:32:13.379 Employment Law Today: sales and close to this kind of humorous same thing with them, being sort of viral, including that three here, I think kind of cat filter that maybe is grants my grandmother. Heads on zoom and couldn't like Take it off and set up right. They received. Judge now, and it's interesting how you know we can like, you know. Take these events to kind of have fun with them, and again it goes back to that point. You know we're talking about being a human like our topic tonight. Hybrid and humanity right? Because they connected
00:32:13.390 --> 00:32:23.440 Employment Law Today: in the in the workforce. So um but interesting. You know some of those things that we've all kind of seen in an experience, perhaps
00:32:24.130 --> 00:32:39.830 BETTY MONROE: definitely. One thing I would love to address, Eric, if you don't mind it in regards to that, you know human connection is so important, especially now, because it's not just the muted skills lost to the pandemic, but due to too much this right? So
00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:56.309 BETTY MONROE: I think it's. It's become almost a pandemic itself right? But lack of ability to connect at a human level, and it's become so easy for people to connect via Texting via email. And we
00:32:56.320 --> 00:33:13.920 BETTY MONROE: you can connect in a human way this way. I'm: looking at you. I see my real life behind me. You know a filter is fine if you, if you're more comfortable, not sharing everything in your home, you know, if you live in a one bedroom apartment and Soho and you don't have a choice, What are you gonna do but
00:33:13.990 --> 00:33:41.930 BETTY MONROE: to be as much? You be in these meetings is so important because somebody may be something a book title on my shelf, a picture of my kid. I like all these, and it may stimulate a conversation and allow for that um actual human connection, and that trust to be built especially in a newer relationship. And we can get away with a lot more, You know. I'm meeting with a colleague that I've met with one hundred thousand times, and I show up in a sweatshirt. It's going to be okay, right.
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:43.849 BETTY MONROE: There's something I want to do.
00:33:44.120 --> 00:34:01.910 BETTY MONROE: If I've got higher ups, or you know, if i'm trying to sell a proposal to a company or something like that. But common sense again. Use your judgment right, for when things are all right, and when things are um, you know, you know, I I think, on
00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:19.289 BETTY MONROE: the self-awareness piece is so important because of the lack of connectivity or the dis the massive human disconnect that's occurred over the last i'd say, eight years, the insurgents of technology. So it's a blessing, annivers. So how again, how do we balance that scale?
00:34:19.389 --> 00:34:49.369 Employment Law Today: Right? Right? Very true. I remember, you know, growing up. There was no uh cell phones, no texting at the cost on the phone. Their parents, they answer you to ask, you know, speak so and so, you know, and I think that's a lost art, and you know I hate to like I I do really respect the young generation. I think they're working through a lot. They're really hard working. So. And I also don't want to feel old by saying, You know these kids today, you know, but there's a different communication style. Um, I think it's important for employers in the workplace. Also like not too mistaken.
00:34:49.380 --> 00:35:19.299 Employment Law Today: Let's say I mean yes, people should be checking more person, video, or or live if they can, but perhaps not to uh misinterpret that. Say, like a younger person in the or the workplace. They're text, for they're being, you know not, or flipping right, because that's what they're used to. But I think you also know to raise some great points about. You know the common sense and reading people on the screen. And i'm wondering, you know, like It's an interesting point about um. What are some tips, maybe some tools and strategies that we
00:35:19.310 --> 00:35:45.529 Employment Law Today: you can use like in networking. I know It's a lot of groups go towards breakout rooms right, and you can connect and then go back to the main group. And so I guess, supposed to mirror the real networking experience where you're with a group, and then you go into often through people and say, Hey, there's Jim, and then, Susan, and then you go over here. So what are you like? Are there any other examples Betty of let's say um, you know tips or tools like when you're on zoom, How do you make it more relatable, More heck?
00:35:46.500 --> 00:36:16.449 BETTY MONROE: I mean in terms of making it more relatable. Beginning Beginning to meeting with personal stuff like I said, Stuff behind you is a great conversation starter. Um! It just builds a tribal connection if you find something with a commonality, and if that's not possible, Don't, just talk about the weather. Ask the person something about themselves. One of my one of the things I like to share with with sales professionals is when you're setting up that first that first prospect meeting. It goes through email and at the end of that email offer a unique and fun fact about your
00:36:16.460 --> 00:36:45.540 BETTY MONROE: hey? Just wanted to share. I thought it might be fun to share that I speak three languages I speak. Germany mentioned Hebrew. Um. I'd love to know something fun and different about you, and that's really little simple thing at the end of your email is going to be that little thing to tack the ice. And that way you need that person that can be what you start the conversation off with, or you shared with me, that you've got a young child. You know we're going to
00:36:45.550 --> 00:37:05.199 BETTY MONROE: that water cooler, Talk to the beginning and end of these meetings as opposed to meeting in the hallway to go get a drink, and taking a break from your cable or your desk. Right? So it's about starting on a more personal level, so that you can become more personal and build that trust and genuine relationship
00:37:05.290 --> 00:37:07.119 BETTY MONROE: as opposed to making it,
00:37:07.310 --> 00:37:08.390 BETTY MONROE: you know.
00:37:08.420 --> 00:37:11.769 BETTY MONROE: Get down to business right? Right
00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:41.620 Employment Law Today: Interesting point to, because you're right in person. People tend to walk into a room, Let's say if We went back in time four years ago before Covid and we zoom. But it was as often as you mentioned people in person more, and it was that small talk from being started. It was a little, You know how you doing what's going on. People sharing various various events. I noticed that in some employers like some of my clients when they have a work meeting. If I'm. On the call, they could be the other attorney. But I noticed that, like They're very sort of Everyone's all quiet
00:37:41.720 --> 00:38:11.649 Employment Law Today: until it means it. Just sort of sits quietly at their respective box in the on the screen until it starts, and then when it ends people log off quickly. Okay. So along by and for just face evaporating, right? So I wonder if it might be smart for employers to say with their employees to. Maybe, you know, start with an icebreaker. Start by. You know questions about it, people. How was your week, you know any fun. Facts, any fun things to the weekend. Um Any gratitude you need to wait before, because I noticed so many people, whether it's in sales
00:38:11.660 --> 00:38:19.820 Employment Law Today: about employment or business. They sort of wait silently. They're working, too, for the group to sort of like officially start,
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:41.780 Employment Law Today: and I don't know if that's to be discomfort, or people are afraid to be the first. No voice in that, you know group. But is that something you've seen with some of your clients? You have to work with them to say, Hey, make it more personal, you know, like you can. You can talk before the actual, you know. I I think that it is everything you said. I think it's awkwardness. I think it's an uncertainty. And what do I do? And is this okay? But
00:38:41.790 --> 00:38:45.210 BETTY MONROE: getting to a space where someone is okay,
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:58.159 BETTY MONROE: and it just takes one person to start it, and then it generally rolls forward right, the ball rolling. Get the ball rolling, But you know, another important thing is, it's gonna vary. And depend,
00:38:58.170 --> 00:39:11.039 BETTY MONROE: you know, this goes back to talking to employment management and leadership and keeping me short and keep them asynchronous. And if you're going to have, say you have a you know. Say you have thirty people on your staff, and you want to have a staff meeting.
00:39:11.050 --> 00:39:40.929 BETTY MONROE: Guess what everybody may not need to be in that staff meeting. How about something on the white paper and making it an asynchronous activity. Hey, these are the things i'd like to address. Let's take three days. You guys tell me what you need to talk about this particular week. I'm going to pick. The two things, I think, are most important, and those people can be on the call If anybody else wants to pop in and listen on, zoom, feel free. Otherwise do whatever else you need to get done. It's not. It no longer should be an expectation for all thirty people to be sitting there like this going like this, because what you're talking about has nothing to do with
00:39:40.940 --> 00:39:44.099 BETTY MONROE: them. Right? That's a huge thing,
00:39:44.230 --> 00:39:56.140 BETTY MONROE: and and it's just finding those little nooks and crannies to to maneuver. And it's gonna be again different in each situation in each different profession, it's
00:39:56.150 --> 00:40:25.630 Employment Law Today: sure. No, I think it's very your point of any right often, people might think Well, if it's zoom um, because we are room, you know. I'm like a conference room. Let's say where it's a smaller group. Um, But on zoom you can. But then again, if people don't need to be there, and then you see the eyes of the wander into their email right, You could tell until maybe they're looking off to the side we're typing, you know, if you have to run that on mute, the you know. Click! Click at the keyboard. So um, Surely at some point, I think certainly about, you know, like making sure people are actually
00:40:25.650 --> 00:40:54.659 Employment Law Today: only when necessary, right? And and it comes back. And I think to you you mentioned simplifying a few times right, keeping it simple and all that and done. Yeah, I think you know we human beings and the complicate things. And so anything new people want to overcomplicate. But you know we can just kind of go with the flow, and I I must say that one thing I find a little. Sometimes i'm a little bit thrilled to be off used to it. So That's when I schedule a zoom with somebody one on one. Let's say, client calling, and
00:40:54.670 --> 00:41:24.020 Employment Law Today: I've got my camera on, and they got the camera off of it just talking, and it's always sort of like, you know. Do I say to them they do you want to turn the camera? Do I? Do I address it, because I feel as if one of us is showing up fully, you know, with the camera, and one is not so. That's I mean interesting. I I and I know it's myself. Why is that you know? What does that bring out in me? I think it brings up like a sense of like, hey? I'm showing up at present here, and this person scheduled this meeting three years ago, so you know.
00:41:24.030 --> 00:41:36.390 Employment Law Today: Certainly they would be ready enough to like brush their hair, you know, or or get transfer. So I don't know if you ever found that with how you advise clients about that in terms of that is that part of the zoomatic that we're all sort of
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:59.130 Employment Law Today: learning, because I've certainly seen that to be a little bit, just or anything when you're scheduled a call with somebody to network at three o'clock on Thursday to call, and they're like, you see, you know the um, you know this yeah, or the black box, and I have actually produced video content tips on this very subject, and I cannot impress the importance
00:41:59.140 --> 00:42:15.310 BETTY MONROE: you do not always have to have your camera on if you don't need to be on camera like I just said, don't be part of the meeting. I. E figure out who really needs to be there, but in a one on one, especially if it's somebody that you don't know. And you've never met before. If if I log on and I get this?
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:27.100 BETTY MONROE: Okay, that says to me is that whatever is you're doing behind that screen that I can't see is way more important to you than my valuable time, and what we're to share together right? So
00:42:27.110 --> 00:42:35.710 BETTY MONROE: it's unacceptable, and I think, and and you know, maybe I sound harsh saying that, but I hear so many people complaining. Oh, I can't connect.
00:42:36.120 --> 00:42:54.670 BETTY MONROE: That's why, and I know it can be uncomfortable. And if you're super uncomfortable being on camera, then that's something you need to discuss prior to a meeting right with whomever it is that you're speaking to. And look, There are legitimate cases where phone is terrified to be on camera, or they just can't have their computer breaks or there. And that's fine. Again.
00:42:54.680 --> 00:43:14.420 BETTY MONROE: There's a time and a place for everything. I am not saying to everyone, You must have your camera on all the time every time. It is not necessary, but in a situation like you just mentioned. Yes, it is because it shows that you are present that you are there, and that you are respectful, and that you are both respectful of and value. The time of the other person,
00:43:14.710 --> 00:43:43.600 Employment Law Today: so that you mentioned that because I I definitely know that it does kind of like get at the rescue a little bit makes you a little bit off my game, because you wonder you are the cooking at all, but the background, you know, and it's one thing they say. Look, you know it's all right. I I had trouble sleep last night. Some of the you know. I just crashed out a nap, and I woke up for this call, so i'll go messy, or you know i'm not really comfortable on camera. Totally get it. But um! That's actually excellent.
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00:46:02.080 --> 00:46:28.429 Employment Law Today: Welcome back close to one of us today. I'm: our guest tonight. Betty Monroe connects engagement consultant and also actress and actor film, the television and their former teacher. And we're talking about getting connected and improving our virtual connection. You know in this as that you mentioned this great, this new future that we're in this new reality, where uh the days you know of strictly in person meetings It kind of
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:56.430 Employment Law Today: there, There, there, there's there's some stuff, but there's a lot more hyper, and I know It's a better point earlier. You're right, but it's there are a lot of the manages to having this virtual space. We can have a conversation. You and I could speak on this podcast, and you're in a limit, Georgia and i'm in uh New York City, and you know we can do that if you're a yes, let's say in person, you know, years ago, so um now I wouldn't do that. You're still muted to further environment, because I know we always meet the commercial rates.
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:16.430 Employment Law Today: Um. But I would love to find out if you maybe can maybe share with us like, What do you think one, how you distinguish yourself? Other connects with different coaches? And if you want to share any, maybe you can add those to success, or you have with, let's say um. A client of yours help with them to engage better, you know.
00:47:16.620 --> 00:47:32.810 BETTY MONROE: Okay? Well, as far as comparing myself um to others, it's really something I try not to do as a whole, I think. No, no, not at all. I don't think I know another coach that does what I do, which is, which is, which is, which is lovely. Um
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:41.799 BETTY MONROE: A. And I didn't say that from that space. But yeah, I don't think I know of a coach who does exactly what I do, which is kind of special for me, and I think it's at least to this point.
00:47:41.810 --> 00:48:05.910 BETTY MONROE: Um. But as far as you know, there's so many wonderful coaches out out and about that can help with so many different aspects. Um! But I think this is rather a unique niche, and I think it's a necessary and very, very relevant one for the team that we're currently in um, which was what brought me to it, and as far as a little success story, I actually worked with a young attorney, a a state attorney,
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:21.040 BETTY MONROE: and I spent. I actually was able to go in person to this young man's office, which was wonderful. He happened to be why, and I helped him rearrange his office so that his virtual engagements could be more professional and more connective and engaging for him. Um!
00:48:21.050 --> 00:48:34.770 BETTY MONROE: And it was really nice to see how happy he was. After just taking an hour and a half to reorganize and kind of reframe the way he looked at things. And really kind of a cool thing. So that's one of my favorite. So far.
00:48:34.780 --> 00:49:02.449 Employment Law Today: Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, It's funny how those things go a long way, right? Because you know, people trying to um say, talk to a console on zoom, and it's, you know. Get to shake your hand and take it to the conference room. Give them a cup of coffee, but you want to make sure that you can actually connect with them and engage. I think it's interesting point. Um, that's just great, you know. I actually had that experience. So um! And have you worked with some companies, or in terms of like you mentioned sales, Anyways, to improve people's
00:49:03.140 --> 00:49:24.450 BETTY MONROE: interactions like as a sales person is not out of the pavement and eating and lunch for somebody across the table. Right? I actually worked with one of the top sales management universities in the Uk called Cranfield School of Management, and we had a very successful Webinar, where I was given a really a really generous review, and afterwards they mentioned that their metrics improved
00:49:24.460 --> 00:49:43.129 BETTY MONROE: probably more than half in just a month's time. After implicating or excuse me, after applying the tangible takeaways that we shared in our hour and a half long conversation, which was really made me feel great, because it made me feel like Wow! There is indeed value in what I have to share, and I love to see it fruition and to benefit the people that I'm sharing with.
00:49:43.610 --> 00:50:03.309 Employment Law Today: Nice, excellent Yeah, very great to hear those, you know. Interesting stories, Betty. You know. Um: yeah. I imagine that being an actress and having that background must be helpful in terms of comfort from the camera. And i'm wondering what are some tips you might recommend for us to our audience tonight. Somebody listening out there or watching is maybe less comfortable
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:19.650 Employment Law Today: in front of the camera for whatever reason like you mentioned that wait for the gentleman that has the issue with his here, you know. Um. Any tips recommend for people to like feel more comfortable in front of the camera. If they turn the camera off for themselves, they could, you know, focus on
00:50:19.660 --> 00:50:49.629 BETTY MONROE: like pitting one of their friends or colleagues to the main screen. What! What is any thoughts for us? Or, honestly, I think it's going to be different for each unique individual, but simple little things can make you feel better without even realizing it. Putting your computer up on a riser or a staff of books so that your eye level Um, you know, buying a twenty dollar ring light and putting it behind you so that you feel good about yourself. That simple thing that's an actress trick right? Having a a life that's meant for camera. It really makes you look better and feel better because it is
00:50:49.640 --> 00:51:03.250 BETTY MONROE: um, and it's a twenty dollar investment that folds up into a little box the size of a book. I mean. It's a little things where your favorite shirt, where something that makes you feel good.
00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:22.649 BETTY MONROE: Do usually what that day. You can wear a ponytail, but make it a neat com detail, but do something makes you feel good. You know how we dress up and show up directly, affects how we do what we do right. So taking that few extra minutes to throw on some lipstick, or brush your hair, or wipe down your glasses or put on your favorite shirt, whatever it is
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:50.239 Employment Law Today: interesting to. Yeah, and even the posture right? People can talk about. You know how they show up, and that they sit, or they stand before a meeting. Um! I often heard it said that people are say going into a meeting, and they want to protect a certain way they can practice by so getting to like a certain post or certain stance. That shows confidence, right, or you know, uh like self affirmation. Um, I suppose. Also, having standing desk to be an interesting way to do things that where you can
00:51:50.250 --> 00:52:05.490 Employment Law Today: be standing, and maybe you can also some, my father uncomfortable to your point. It's very to be just a great thing. It's just some people might say, Oh, when I stand. I tend to fidget so they like to sit down so. Um, but I I guess i'm hearing throughout the course of our show. It's just how important it is for people
00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:24.299 Employment Law Today: to find what works for them, and then to sort of check with right, we, the other person or people, how is what you're doing, working for others right in terms of you know, connecting with them being them where they are. Whether or not definitely, definitely. And it's again, depends on the unique individual where you at what you're doing,
00:52:24.770 --> 00:52:26.360 BETTY MONROE: what it's in regard to
00:52:26.810 --> 00:52:46.599 Employment Law Today: right right. I know we have talked earlier about also just sort of welcoming distractions, whereas you know, rather than um reacting with sort of feeling shocked or embarrassed by the same, you know, like a a pet when you across the room, or a child to kind of embrace that as part of this numer, one thing is that people are sort of blending
00:52:46.610 --> 00:52:57.840 Employment Law Today: their environment's what they used to, and it could be, you know, as an employment, or I see it as a as the people get too casual with their coworkers. They forget There are certain rules, and you know, protocols around like
00:52:57.850 --> 00:53:16.929 Employment Law Today: not for it in the workplace. You know It's a, or or make a certain comments, but but that's sort of another issue for another show. I've done that shows here with different people on that that topic. But I think that you know for the most part we're talking about being authentic and embassy. Right? So if you have that to see from this show, you'll show up in a real and legally, you know um appropriate way.
00:53:16.940 --> 00:53:46.470 BETTY MONROE: So you don't at all. And honestly, you know I love that you bring up the pet running to room. We look bringing humor and levity into these situations humanizes everything. You know whether you're a sixty-five year old seller who's been doing this for thirty-eight years, and you've only done it one way. Or You're a twenty-five year old movie, you know, when you're a year in we all have pets We all have children. We all have spouses. We all have Amazon guys ringing our doorbell,
00:53:46.490 --> 00:53:49.570 BETTY MONROE: and it's at this point. Okay,
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.740 BETTY MONROE: because it's just kind of it wasn't normal two and a half years ago, but it is now
00:54:07.550 --> 00:54:22.519 BETTY MONROE: so for a little bit. The floor is yours, and i'll take this out. Thank you. Please feel free to connect with me on Linkedin just Betty Monroe. Um. And I'm. K. I have a website connective engagement, dot com easy, peasy, and you can also email me at Betty at connective engagement dot com anytime
00:54:23.150 --> 00:54:45.389 Employment Law Today: excellent. As for those they're listening on the audio, not the video. Where we're always next today. Right? Uh-huh. Absolutely right. Uh-huh. Absolutely It's a really wonderful topic that you know so great to have you over. Thank you once again. It's really for sharing here, you know. Now it's not your the wisdom and all this.
00:54:45.400 --> 00:55:03.720 Employment Law Today: It's It's kind of creativity. It's really helpful, I think you know people out there listening to I watching today hopefully, and take from this and go forward with their careers and their employees, and to learn to connect with it. So we want to thank you so much for having me, and I hope that what I've shared help somebody.
00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:16.809 Employment Law Today: I'm sure it probably did. You know i'll tell also our audience know that um you are listening to talk to me about Nyc and watching them on today. Um, if you like. What you you heard saw tonight on the late direction on topics.
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00:55:44.510 --> 00:56:01.490 Employment Law Today: uh we did catch one of live shows on the station every night, and uh, so once again, I wish you had a wonderful evening. Um, you know. Be well and and uh, all that to you and all that you're doing. Let's stay in touch, by all means. Thank you so much for having me have a
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