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Facebook Live Video from 2022/10/03 - Women, Power, and Leadership with Marianne Schnall

Facebook Live Video from 2022/10/03 - Women, Power, and Leadership with Marianne Schnall


2022/10/03 - Women, Power, and Leadership with Marianne Schnall

[New Episode] Women, Power, and Leadership with Marianne Schnall


-Lessons and pieces of wisdom that have stuck with our guest from her hundreds of interviews with iconic changemakers? 

-Is there a rising consciousness? What does it mean to be a shiftmaker?

-Advice on creating change.


Marianne Schnall is a journalist, author, and interviewer whose work has appeared in Forbes,, Refinery29, Thrive Global, Huffington Post,, O, The Oprah Magazine, Marie Claire, Glamour, Women's Media Center, and many other media outlets. Her wide-ranging interviews with global leaders span fields as diverse as entertainment, politics, business, spirituality, and environmental and social activism and include Oprah Winfrey, Maya Angelou, Melinda Gates, Jane Goodall, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gloria Steinem, Sheryl Sandberg, Anita Hill, Jane Fonda, Stacey Abrams, and hundreds of others. 

Marianne Schnall is the author of What Will It Take to Make a Woman President?: Conversations about Women, Leadership & Power?, Leading the Way, and Dare to Be You for girls. She is also the founder of and What Will It Take Movements and the host of the podcast ShiftMakers.

We will discuss what she has learned from the iconic changemakers she has interviewed and worked alongside. We'll talk about her podcast, ShiftMakers, and what it means to be one. And we will discuss the status of women's rights and leadership both in the US and globally.

Tune in for this edgy conversation at

Show Notes

Segment 1

Sandra welcomes us to the 43rd episode of the Edge of Everyday! She introduces her guest, Marianne Schnall, journalist, author and interviewer. Her interviews have ranged from many topics and with many global leaders. She is the founder of, a non profit organization that fosters awareness, edcation and activism across the world. Sandra had a professional photographer she knew who was near her home in the Catskills. She got a phone call one day where they asked her if she can do professional makeup. Lone and behold, that's where she met Marianne, the client, along with her daughter. They forged a bond over makeup and photography. Sandra also talks about working with Marianne’s daughter and helping her with her music and writing to bring it all to life. Sandra talks with Marianne about her book What Will It Take to Make a Woman President?: Conversations about Women, Leadership & Power? Mariane mentions thinking about this question her daughter asked her at the time when writing: “Why haven’t we had a woman president?” She first ran this in an article on CNN and this was when it first blew up.

Segment 2

Sandra asks Marianne about how she got into writing and interviewing. Marianne started as a reporter for UsMagazine and an entertainment reporter on the red carpet. It was The March for Women’s Lives where she got to interview people like Gloria Steinem and Jane Fonda. This changed the trajectory of her career. She was not only interviewing great celebrities and leaders, she naturally got curious and was asking questions to learn herself about these issues and causes. One of her first big interviews was with Gloria Steinem, who she now has interviewed numerous times. Marianne talks about being inspired by so many people like Steinem throughout her career. One of the things that she has learned and found to be most meaningful is that we are taught in life that we have to avoid the crisis and bad things in life. But the obstacles and bad times are those very things that you learn the most about yourself. She learned about turning pain into power. She talks about learning this from people like Maya Angelou and Natalie Portman. They also discuss the events that have transpired since her book came out in 2013.

Segment 3

Coming back from the break, Marianne talks about the current status of women’s rights. She says that it's really concerning. She mentions events like the overturn of Roe v. Wade. She says that even the pandemic landed a serious blow on women in the workforce and how a lot of these issues aren't talked about more or getting enough attention. Marianne also mentions interviewing former president Jimmy Carter where they spoke about the status and discrimination of women. She was reminded here that this isn't just a women’s issue. We are all interconnected and Sandra emphasizes this as a human issue. So many men also don't want toxic masculinity. Marianne shifts the conversation to talking about this as well. She talks about how there is nothing wrong with being a man or having masculine traits, rather its about redefining masculinity. Men are just as impacted with constricted gender roles and so everyone needs to be part of the conversation to create the change we want. Marianne gets deep about what it means to her to be a “shiftmaker” in the world. She gives advice about embracing change in today's world.

Segment 4

Sandra mentions Marianne’s bracelet that has the quote “we are linked, not ranked.” It was created by Gloria Steinem. Marianne says that it means that there is no hierarchy. It relates to so many issues that divide us like sexuality, racism, religion, etc. you can purchase this bracelet at Twenty five percent of proceeds will be donated to Gloria's Foundation and benefits the work of Marianne talks about having perspective and gratitude which are things that help her stay balanced. She also likes to meditate, go out and be around nature and more. The advice she'd give to her younger self would be don't care so much about what other people think; it takes away your power. Also she says to be you. Being you is what makes you different and unique. Celebrate what you uniquely have and can do in this world. These are the same things she says she tells her daughters who inspire her and give her hope as well. You can find Marianne at where you can find her podcast ShiftMakers, her books and much more! Marianne is also on Facebook and Linkedin. Marianne encourages everyone to vote and as Jane Goodall said: “'What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.'


00:00:06.380 --> 00:00:09.330 Welcome everyone. I'm Sandra Bgeman.

00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:20.409 A few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the Edge of every day, which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions we all face and grapple with

00:00:20.590 --> 00:00:28.599 the shows hit a nerve, and the relevance of the topic would only grow over time more than I could have foreseen. So

00:00:28.610 --> 00:00:48.460 here we are, real talk with real people, sharing stories and perspectives that spark provocative invitations to leap out of what's safe on the edge of everyday.

00:00:48.470 --> 00:00:57.430 Sandra Bargman: Thank you for joining me on this. The forty third episode of the edge of every day here on talk, radio and Nyc

00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:19.270 Sandra Bargman: for those of you who are tuning in for the first time, and for those of you who don't know me yet. I encourage you to check out my bio and talk radio, dot Nyc, or of course, you can visit my website, Sandra Bargeman, dot com, and please tune in to any of my previous episodes with my inspiring guests

00:01:19.810 --> 00:01:38.649 Sandra Bargman: Mit. Ctl. And as my loyal listeners know, this show is about celebrating triumphs, pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges through conversations and shared stories with friends and colleagues. It's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges. One

00:01:38.740 --> 00:01:49.289 Sandra Bargman: and what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful, those places where we are resistant to change

00:01:49.300 --> 00:02:02.329 Sandra Bargman: those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and understandings, both about ourselves and the world around us. Those places we don't want to look.

00:02:02.870 --> 00:02:22.850 Sandra Bargman: Listen! We live in turbulent times, and we are coming to understand that life simply isn't, black or white. It must be an embrace of both, and the more we recognize our own edges and get real about them, the more we can help others to do the same,

00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:36.910 Sandra Bargman: and that, I fully believe can help to change the world. So thanks again for tuning in, and without further ado. It is time for me to introduce my guest this evening.

00:02:38.020 --> 00:02:53.939 Sandra Bargman: Marianne Schnall is a journalist, author, activist, and interviewer, whose work has appeared in Forbes, Cnn. Dot, Com Huffington Post Time Com. Oh, the Oprah Magazine,

00:02:53.950 --> 00:03:00.919 Sandra Bargman: Marie Claire Glamour women's, Media center and many other media outlets,

00:03:00.930 --> 00:03:16.139 Sandra Bargman: her wide-ranging interviews with global leaders span fields as diverse as entertainment, politics, business, spirituality, and environmental and social activism, and include

00:03:16.150 --> 00:03:35.969 Sandra Bargman: Oprah, Winfrey, Maya, Angelou, Melinda Gates, President Jimmy Carter, Dr. Jane Goodall Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, Gloria, Steinem, Cheryl Sandberg, Anita Hill, Jane Fonda, Stacey, Abrams, and hundreds of others.

00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:48.230 Sandra Bargman: Marianne is the founder of what will it take movements? What will it take com a media collaboration, learning and social engagement platform,

00:03:48.240 --> 00:04:03.239 Sandra Bargman: and she is also the founder of feminist com, a leading women's, website and nonprofit organization that fosters awareness education and activism for people across the world one hundred and fifty

00:04:03.330 --> 00:04:11.230 Sandra Bargman: she serves as senior media and communications consultant to the global Center for gender equality.

00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:30.329 Sandra Bargman: Marianne is the author of what will it take to make a woman president? Conversations about women, leadership and power which features, interviews with politicians, public officials, thought leaders, writers, artists, and activists.

00:04:30.340 --> 00:04:44.469 Sandra Bargman: Her latest books, published by Simon and Schuster, include leading the way, inspiring words for Women on How to Live and lead with courage, confidence and authenticity,

00:04:44.530 --> 00:04:54.999 Sandra Bargman: and dare to be you inspirational advice for girls on finding your voice leading fearlessly and making a difference.

00:04:55.270 --> 00:05:10.710 Sandra Bargman: She is the host of the podcast shift makers that highlights exclusive insights of luminaries and movement makers as they share wisdom on how to be an authentic change maker today

00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:29.440 Sandra Bargman: marianne graduated from Cornell University with a Ba. In English, and she is also the graduate of the Women's Media centers, Progressive women's, voices, media and leadership training program for more information. You can find her at Marianne.

00:05:31.610 --> 00:05:35.050 Sandra Bargman: Hello, and welcome, Marianne.

00:05:36.740 --> 00:05:44.940 Sandra Bargman: Yeah, it is wonderful to be here. It's wonderful to have you, you know, and just to let all my my my listeners in.

00:05:45.020 --> 00:05:47.900 Sandra Bargman: That's not her full. Cv.

00:05:47.990 --> 00:06:06.290 Sandra Bargman: I mean I I had It's just incredible. The work that she does, and I like a good long, Cv. Because, unfortunately, within an hour, we can't possibly touch on all of the extraordinary work that you do, that my guests do so. I like to include a lot of that

00:06:06.450 --> 00:06:18.209 Sandra Bargman: mit Ctl. And so thank you. Thank you again for being a guest on the edge of every day,

00:06:18.370 --> 00:06:23.859 Sandra Bargman: so I like to start my shows with how I know my guests

00:06:23.870 --> 00:06:40.950 Sandra Bargman: and Marianne and I met in the most unlikely of ways. So uh, I had a very well known photographer, headshot, photographer that lived by me in the Cat Skills, by my home in the Cat Skills, which is where I'm turning in from today.

00:06:41.140 --> 00:06:42.659 Sandra Bargman: And so,

00:06:43.030 --> 00:06:51.739 Sandra Bargman: and I get a panic phone call from him that his he's got an upcoming session and his makeup artist from New York City can't come

00:06:51.880 --> 00:07:05.669 Sandra Bargman: and work with him. Can't come up from the city. And can I do make up? And I said, Yes, I actually can do. Make up as a as a professional theater person who's taken that kind of training in college, et cetera. Yeah, i'm that level. I can do that.

00:07:06.190 --> 00:07:13.779 Sandra Bargman: So I come in, and I do make up, and who walks in but Marianne, with her gorgeous daughter Jasmine,

00:07:14.430 --> 00:07:16.029 Sandra Bargman: you can pick it up here.

00:07:16.130 --> 00:07:44.120 Sandra Bargman: Oh, am I supposed to tell from the evolution. Oh, no, no, no, that you just know, and that Jasmine was wonderful, and that you and I just had um yeah, A glorious conversation. Well, and i'm learning about you and learning about Jasmine, who has turned into this extraordinary young woman both your daughters. But i'll get to lotus, too. We're going to plug them both. And um. But we just forged this lovely

00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:50.049 Sandra Bargman: bond over makeup and photography which I just adore,

00:07:50.060 --> 00:08:08.830 Sandra Bargman: Mhm how life works that way. It's the universe who new the many different twisty ways we've worked together since then. It's been really fun to. So then fast forward um, uh, I I I end up doing a little photography for lotus at the time. She's eleven.

00:08:09.100 --> 00:08:25.540 Sandra Bargman: Fast forward. Um uh I start to work. Thanks to our friendship, I work with lotus on. She's a marvelous songwriter, singer, songwriter, And do you want to share a little bit about what? What uh,

00:08:25.700 --> 00:08:31.079 Sandra Bargman: what she's going through with her music? And where we can find her extraordinary music.

00:08:31.590 --> 00:09:00.530 Marianne Schnall: Yeah, no, you were so helpful. I mean, she has been writing. She writes in um all different types of mediums because she writes: You know children's books with the Jin Goodall Institute. She writes poetry, but the thing that she sort of is have been her like love has been her songwriting and writing, and but she'd never really um been at the place to share it. And so that was this huge leap to um be able to figure out how to to, you know, develop, and and, you know, share her music. And so

00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:30.530 Marianne Schnall: her work with you was completely transformational in terms of helping her get to the point where you know she could bring her songs to life and the the in, you know, to to get them into the studio and get them out in the world. Get into the yeah. Now, you know, you can find Lotus Kcom, you know she's at least her first album, and he's save single. She's working on new music. It's been pretty incredible. Um! And you were just, you know, a huge part of her journey so, and I want to give a shit. Thank you, and I want to give a

00:09:30.540 --> 00:09:47.300 Sandra Bargman: Erez agmoni shout out to Julie last, and Cole Brook Studios, which is, she also was wonderful in in the creation of that of those recordings, and bringing that all to life. So both of your daughters are such a reflection of how one hundred and fifty

00:09:47.310 --> 00:10:07.850 Sandra Bargman: of the work that you do, and extraordinary work. And speaking of Lotus. So now we're going to dive into you, of course. Um, I I was just back from vacation, and I took um. What would it take to make a woman president with me on my vacation, and was reading it on the beach on Cape Cod, which was a slice of heaven.

00:10:07.950 --> 00:10:10.210 Sandra Bargman: And um, it was written in

00:10:10.330 --> 00:10:22.590 Sandra Bargman: two thousand and thirteen. Yeah, um. So tell the origin story. Speaking of Lotus, of how that book that incredible book came to be.

00:10:23.030 --> 00:10:53.009 Marianne Schnall: Oh, thank you. This is another example of you know how things come out of unexpected places. Um, you know I had been knowing I was gonna, you know, write a book, but I wasn't sure exactly um what the theme I was playing around with a lot of different ideas. And then um! One day I was in the kitchen with Lotus Um, who was um, you know, eight years around, eight years old. It was after Barack Obama was like to President. We were talking about how remarkable was to have our first African American President, and she

00:10:53.020 --> 00:11:04.629 Marianne Schnall: mit Ctl. And he said this very just innocence down in question, You know. Why have we never had a woman President, and I remember, even though I've been working on these issues, for you know at that point, like a decade one hundred and fifty

00:11:04.640 --> 00:11:34.469 Marianne Schnall: it was. It was kind of like I was like, Huh! And I had to really like, Think about Why, haven't we had a woman president, so it was right on the cusp if it could be on the cusp of covering an event. I I was covering a women's meeting center event um, and I knew there were going to be all these people there. I decided to. I thought it would be an interesting question um to ask why I was there, so I asked everybody from like Gloria Steinem. And can you remember us? It's Cheryl Sandberg and um all kinds? I came back, you know, Kirsten Joe, all sorts of different people.

00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:48.820 Marianne Schnall: Why, haven't We had a woman president. What will it take to make one? President and I? I ran it as an article at Cnn, and it just exploded, and it blew up, and my agent at the time was like, This is your book, and I was like, this is my book,

00:11:48.830 --> 00:12:18.819 Marianne Schnall: and he was like, Yeah, if you can get people, you know, committed to to you'd be interviewed for the book. I think this should, you know, should be your next project. So I went to longtime mentor of mine, Gloria Steinem, and I said, a like, Should I do this book and B um? Would you be willing to be interviewed for the book, and she was like, Yes, I'd be interviewed, and you would be a good person to to do this because you would understand that. Um two points one that you need to look at it through all these variety of lenses, and to that um, it's not just about having a

00:12:18.830 --> 00:12:48.470 Marianne Schnall: a woman right? It's there's so there's a lot of different layers to this just looking at it from all these different lenses, so that I just went, and it was, you know it's. It's a real mix of different people Looking at this question. Not just why we haven't had a one president. But why we haven't had more women in different um leadership positions, cross sectors, I mean, just looking at just you know how we think about leadership and power. And there's men, There's women There's like the officials There's artists, you know It's like my an angelou most a through, you know. Nicholas Chris stuff

00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:54.309 Sandra Bargman: and I can remember all the people that are in it, you know. I just Oh, yeah, just yeah,

00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:20.959 Sandra Bargman: yeah, Gavin news which I love too. Um, yeah, I just love the spectrum. I I it was it. Run don't walk at this book. Um beyonce, Of course that was a a wonderful um plug that she beyonce, I said to all of her fans, to all of the young fans to run, don't walk, get this book. It will absolutely inspire you to be a better leader in the world,

00:13:20.970 --> 00:13:37.610 Marianne Schnall: and we had to say, I have no idea how fiance got the book, but it's been still one of the most profound surreal things that have ever happened to me, and I took it as a spiritual mandate that I had to do something with the book, which is why I launched my, What will it take? Platform? Um: So that I love that?

00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:48.990 Marianne Schnall: Yeah, cause I was. You know I was not about selling books. I really am trying to, you know, move this conversation forward, and highlight resources that are out there to help so well in in

00:13:49.000 --> 00:14:13.000 Sandra Bargman: just to bring it back to Lotus and your your daughters. The extraordinary, this, the the profound simplicity of that question, and yet the the the big and the the legacy that you was inspired through by your daughters, this incredible legacy. That's the end that give and take between the generations. And then the inspiration for the next generations. The whole story is just

00:14:13.170 --> 00:14:25.110 Sandra Bargman: incredible, but we have to go to break, and when we come back we are going to talk more about that book and your interviewing and

00:14:25.130 --> 00:14:36.080 Sandra Bargman: your your thoughts on women's leadership today when we come back with Marianne Schnell on the edge of every day. Stay tuned.

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00:16:49.710 --> 00:16:55.450 Sandra Bargman: and we are back on the edge of every day with Marianne Schnall.

00:16:55.560 --> 00:16:59.490 Sandra Bargman: So, uh, Marianne, I

00:17:01.060 --> 00:17:23.639 Sandra Bargman: I want to ask you how you got into writing, and how you got into interviewing, but we have so many questions. If you can just keep that really short. When did you know that you were this curious person that wanted to move into interviewing, to move your writing into these interviews with um

00:17:23.650 --> 00:17:26.240 Sandra Bargman: uh with other people,

00:17:26.849 --> 00:17:35.480 Sandra Bargman: into these extensive interviews, into the writing, the activist writing that you are doing now.

00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:47.549 Marianne Schnall: Yeah. So it's a good. It is a good question, you know. The The funny thing is that I did start as a reporter for us magazine, you know an entertainment porter on the red carpet, and doing kind of like.

00:17:47.560 --> 00:18:07.549 Marianne Schnall: I don't know how to put this like, you know, sort of frivolous type of of like reporting where i'd be asking kind of not the most interesting, you know. I tell me about your movie or things like that. Um, you know um, and then um! It was really the march for women's lives. Um! When I covered that and got to interview people like, you know, Jane Pon and Glory Stein and all these people who are out there for a cause,

00:18:07.560 --> 00:18:11.389 Marianne Schnall: and I just it became. Excuse me, that was through us.

00:18:11.450 --> 00:18:35.510 Marianne Schnall: No, uh, yes, yeah, right. I know I I My memory is that I suggested covering It's not that they've signed this within you already. My grandfather was going. It's a whole other long story, and my whole family was going. I was like, you know. I'm going to be there. And it was. It's completely changed the trajectory of my career Um and everybody Cindy Lauper, and like Sardisco Park and Matthew Broderick

00:18:35.520 --> 00:18:52.370 Marianne Schnall: and I was like, Wow, these people are here, for they're They're using their celebrity for a, and then I was doing the costs lab column, for in Style Magazine, and it sort of became my thing, and I was really getting educated like Joanne, you know Woodward or Bet Middler about the New York Restoration Project. Meryl streep about pesticides, and

00:18:52.380 --> 00:18:59.409 Marianne Schnall: I had questions, and I was also. I was learning about issues. Um! It just became just sort of a more.

00:18:59.560 --> 00:19:29.439 Marianne Schnall: I really was learning, and I had natural curiosity. And then also, just like you do. It was also like I was realizing Um, I enjoy the conversation of, you know, just like i'm gonna share something, and they would share something and um, it just sort of it just became my thing. But I do sort of consider myself sort of like a little bit. I think you'd probably do to like a conduit for like these are very important messages and causes. And how can I write questions that

00:19:29.450 --> 00:19:35.179 Marianne Schnall: that will best elicit the most meaningful wisdom? Um, you. Yeah, I know you relate

00:19:35.190 --> 00:20:04.620 Sandra Bargman: from them to, you know. Help! Help the cause, Help them help, help humanity and the world. So that's well. I So before I jump into that next question I I have to put this in. I so admire you and your work, and that you have been doing this and digging into all of these understandings and these issues in a way that it took the former crazy President

00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:06.939 Sandra Bargman: for me to really

00:20:06.950 --> 00:20:35.570 Sandra Bargman: want to dive in in a in a more profound way. I mean, if we can say anything about that presidency, the how he lit the fire for women to I mean. I was never shy about staying abreast of politics, or being vocal about my opinions, but how I've dug into the issues, and the and where I had blinders, and what bubbles I lived in was extraordinary. And you've been on the front lines of this

00:20:35.670 --> 00:20:40.920 Sandra Bargman: for over twenty years, so I admire your work greatly, and on that note

00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:49.569 Sandra Bargman: who was your who was your first big interview? You just rattled off a whole bunch of names. But who was your first?

00:20:49.580 --> 00:21:11.529 Marianne Schnall: Oh, My God! You you remember I mean There' been so many cause again. And then I almost like the people I depressed. I don't sort of count that, because obviously I interviewed some cool people for that. But it was that, you know, like the deep interviews right? Probably I I feel like one of the very first really big ones was probably Gloria Steinem. Honestly. Um! Who I now

00:21:11.540 --> 00:21:30.619 Marianne Schnall: interviewed I I feel like, maybe twenty times, you know, over the years. There's a lot of people like that. I've interviewed like serial interviews like like my on Julie twice, and like the Venezuela, probably also like fifteen, and that's like which I really enjoy because we've all been on our journeys together.

00:21:30.630 --> 00:21:33.219 Marianne Schnall: Um, but

00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:51.279 Marianne Schnall: yeah, op oprah twice, you know. Um, it. It has a little bit of a familiarity like how you and I have a familiarity which is nice, and you can kind of pick up where you left off, and you both grown. Um, so it's it's so hard to say. I've interviewed so many. Um! Well, speaking of grown,

00:21:51.570 --> 00:21:52.880 what

00:21:53.080 --> 00:22:07.639 Sandra Bargman: what have you learned from all of these iconic change makers. What! What! That you've interviewed? What are your favorite nuggets of wisdom that you've gleaned, And that's a huge question. I realize. But

00:22:08.070 --> 00:22:37.599 Marianne Schnall: well, and there I literally actually have you right? I have learned so much, so I I can't possibly someone, because I actually feel like so much of who I am. As a person has come, and don't even ask my daughters. I'm constantly around being like, as Jane Bonus said, you don't have to be perfect, or you know my Aunt Julie will say so. I'm constantly going off with, you know little, you know, or Anna Huffington says that's just your not just from it in your head. I'm constantly quoting like little things. Um,

00:22:37.810 --> 00:22:42.120 Marianne Schnall: But uh, what was the question? Oh, so well,

00:22:42.800 --> 00:23:02.659 Marianne Schnall: I really do feel that one of the things that has been most meaningful. That I've learned has been that you know we're taught in life um to almost just, you know, shudder to think about all the things that you're gonna, you know. Go through that. The the the thing you have to avoid all of these Um, you know um, you know

00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:32.609 Marianne Schnall: crises or things that might happen in your life. But it's the obstacles, and it's difficult times that in my experience, having interviewed some incredible change, makers are those very things where you learn the most about yourself. That is something that my Angelou said to me that you know every time you get down, you know getting back up. It shows you who you are. Um, but that also this concept um of which is something I got from the formerly of Endsler's, founder of V. Day the concept of turning pain

00:23:32.620 --> 00:23:49.389 Marianne Schnall: into power. Um, I just in fact, tomorrow a piece that I wrote hopefully tomorrow the day after with Congressman Cory bush. If you know who she is. She has an amazing memoir out, and the the these are people who have been through traumas and

00:23:49.400 --> 00:24:09.120 Marianne Schnall: what they they've learned from it, and then they've used it to make them stronger, but also she's now out there. She, you know, as the first black woman to represents Missouri and Congress, but she's now taking her lived experience, and it's informing her policy. Um, or you know the people that I speak to like, You know

00:24:09.130 --> 00:24:10.130 just.

00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:37.690 Marianne Schnall: You know all all the different ways that you can sort of use your experience in order to help others, but to also, just, you know, develop kind of your your courage and your strength, and and in your sense of who you are. So I think that's a really big one. I think the other thing that really I took away, because, you know, you're taught that we should all sort of um strive for fame and fortune. You know that that's the and then I speak to these celebrities.

00:24:37.700 --> 00:25:01.869 Marianne Schnall: Um, and some of them the one always sticks with me is Natalie Portman, who at the time I spoke to her for entertainment weekly. Um, she's good with ambassador for thinka International that works to help. You know women in developing countries. Um, you know, to develop their economic, you know, sustainability. And she was talking when I said, It has a feel to help these women. And she said, Oh, well, you know, it's not as much for them as it is for me;

00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:31.380 Marianne Schnall: and what I find is that a lot of these celebrities the Jane find is now the apartment, not not all celebrities, let me clarify, but a a lot of them find they get there. They have all this money, they're famous, and that the only thing that really gives them meaning and and and connection and community is doing work that then goes on to somehow, you know, help a cause or help others. So I feel like, you know. Maybe we can all skip trying to get famous and rich and realize that it's right in front of us. Um,

00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:46.900 Sandra Bargman: Yeah, absolutely the service mentality that users us, you know. Why, Why be on the planet really at the end of the day, if we're not uplifting other people, and trying to make life for all of humanity better.

00:25:47.180 --> 00:26:08.150 Sandra Bargman: Oh, that's oh, my goodness! There's so much there I i'm going to swing back to the notion of pain, and you know the complete and utter edge of every day. Of that you know the good, the good is lovely, and the light is lovely, but it is the darker things that are the what propel us to learn and to grow.

00:26:08.510 --> 00:26:14.160 Sandra Bargman: And you know that's a great segue into where we are with um.

00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:34.170 Sandra Bargman: You know women's rights in our country today. And um Well, actually, before I do that, I I I do want to back up um. We we'll circle back to that, using pain and women's rage and our traumas to propel us to make changes. But

00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:37.370 Sandra Bargman: I want to go back to the book

00:26:37.660 --> 00:26:54.209 Sandra Bargman: again. It was published in two thousand and thirteen, and reading it on the beach, I was overwhelmed by the the hope that was palpable, and everyone's interview was unbelievable, and then, you know, So it's three years before the

00:26:54.610 --> 00:27:11.280 Sandra Bargman: two thousand and sixteen, the big um election with Hillary and what transpired. And so then another election in two thousand and twenty has transpired, and of course, the me to movement, and such. So So

00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:32.109 Sandra Bargman: what are your thoughts on your book? What, what did, What are your thoughts on the book, since it had, since everything that has transpired? What are your thoughts about circling back to the book, about what's transpired since then, in terms of the inspiration that was in that book.

00:27:32.850 --> 00:27:45.600 Marianne Schnall: Well, I mean certainly it was hugely, you know I don't know it's I mean, obviously uh, I think we thought maybe we would have a woman present in my book wouldn't be totally

00:27:45.610 --> 00:28:15.550 Marianne Schnall: um. However, we did get to see, and for all I mean she won the popular vote. We so little girls all over the world and voice two this is, you know, Got to see a woman almost get there, and we have made strides since then. It's slow. Um! So i'm i'm like a optimistic, hopeful person. Um, I do think, and We also have our, you know, first um female and one of color Vice President, you know Kamala Harris. So

00:28:15.560 --> 00:28:45.500 Sandra Bargman: like I just i'm celebrating all the wins and the milestones that we are. I just talked about, you know Cory Bush, who's you know, every we're still it's it's we're in for the long game. Let's put it that way, and those those we still need to look at, the obstacles identified in my book. Um, most definitely. Yeah, and we'll. And when we come. We've got to go to break. When we come back we will talk about that women's ridge and pushing, using that fire and moving us forward, and women's power, and your take

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00:31:00.810 --> 00:31:07.300 Sandra Bargman: on the edge of every day, and we are back with Marianne Schnell. So

00:31:07.590 --> 00:31:18.870 Sandra Bargman: doing, my lovely research on you, I was um reminded of this quote: when sleeping women wake, mountains move, and certainly

00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:36.410 Sandra Bargman: pain Trauma me too. Movement the former President. All of these things have inspired us to all begin to wake up. So what? What are your thoughts on the status of women's rights here and internationally?

00:31:36.510 --> 00:31:47.329 Marianne Schnall: Hmm. Take a deep breath on that one. I know. I know, and we understand You're not an oracle. Well, I mean

00:31:47.340 --> 00:31:56.859 Marianne Schnall: let's put it this way. It's it's really concerning um. It's always been concerning um. I certainly think that um,

00:31:56.870 --> 00:32:10.649 Marianne Schnall: you know. Well, first of all, here in in the United States, because I actually think I you know There, there's some obviously the overturning of where we weighed is so huge the implications of that I mean, I can barely breathe the right

00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:24.850 Marianne Schnall: um. So. Um! There are so many levels that I I mean going back fifty years um, and all of the implications. And we're we're only just beginning to see I I can't understand why this isn't more of a being covered in the news about how that is affecting.

00:32:25.350 --> 00:32:53.210 Marianne Schnall: So that's a whole. So we'll show with you. No? Well, exactly so. We don't even have enough time, but that to me is absolutely, I mean, talk about when being enraged. And we're seeing that. And we're seeing women, you know, turning out for these primaries and what happened in Kansas, I mean, you know. Yeah, And then um, and also women are still Um, you know, nobody is really talking about it. But the the pandemic really leveled a serious blow on women in the workplace,

00:32:53.220 --> 00:33:10.209 Marianne Schnall: You know. Women had to um, you know. A lot of them left the workforce. We're already, you know the the the numbers. And then equity was so glaring. And by the way, everything i'm talking about when we talk about women. I just want to really underscore are always worse exacerbated for women of color. So, no matter what we're talking about.

00:33:10.220 --> 00:33:38.960 Marianne Schnall: Um! It's always really important to to, you know. Keep that in mind. So they're just, you know, violence against women. You know that there are so many serious problems that women face, and then when you look internationally, I mean you're seeing the same thing like with exactly in a in Iran. I mean. The only thing i'll say is that it? When you see people women taking to the streets, you know, and actually standing up

00:33:38.970 --> 00:34:01.699 Marianne Schnall: well. And so you know, right in Iran, Afghanistan I just reposted, you know, talking about my podcast. I resurface it was. It was Jimmy Carter's ninety eighth birthday on Saturday, so I had interviewed him about you know the status, the discrimination and abuse of women. He'd run a whole book about it, and it was such a reminder of, like we forget what goes on with, you know.

00:34:01.710 --> 00:34:31.699 Marianne Schnall: Honor, killings, rape as a weapon of war, you know. Um, you know female infant aside, and all of the many genital mutilation. All of it. He talks about all that, and I think it's a real symptom of um, You know just women as second class citizens. But I, you know i'm glad you said the thing about the fact that it was also the Jimmy Carter. This is not a quote women's issue. We don't. We need women in the streets. But we need men in the streets. We're all interconnected. We should. All this is a human issue. That's.

00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:43.669 Sandra Bargman: This is what boggles my mind. Women in power. Men. So many evolved men understand that they don't want this toxic masculinity.

00:34:43.679 --> 00:35:13.530 Marianne Schnall: They want to empowered women, and they want to be free to not be that that stereotype of that crazy toxic masculine? Well, I have to. I have to say i'm, in the middle of doing a piece that should probably be up by next week. I interviewed on you know who Justin Beldoni is. He's a book, a no podcast man enough. Don Mcpherson, former Nfl. Veteran Ted Bunch from a call to men, and i'm learning um that toxic masculinity. Um the new term Well, I think even Dominic fears i'm talking about aspiration.

00:35:13.540 --> 00:35:41.989 Marianne Schnall: The racial masculinity. There's nothing inherently wrong in being a man or a boy, or having masculine traits. It's about how to like just about doing. He talks about redefining masculinity. Because, yeah, as you said, men are just as impacted by constructive gender roles as women are, so we do need to have them be part of this conversation. Um, or we're never really going to get to see the change that we need to see for for all all genders.

00:35:42.450 --> 00:35:53.580 Sandra Bargman: Amen. Well, that's a good sake. We can go on and on about that. But I do want to get to change makers and shift makers, and I want to to to talk with you about

00:35:53.640 --> 00:35:57.720 Sandra Bargman: shift makers, and there's my

00:35:58.570 --> 00:36:00.330 Sandra Bargman: so Um,

00:36:02.270 --> 00:36:09.100 Sandra Bargman: yes, do. Do you see an evolution or a rising of consciousness?

00:36:09.390 --> 00:36:20.689 Sandra Bargman: I love that question, Do you see? An and and you know your podcast is called shift makers? What honestly, what does that? What to you does being a shift Maker mean?

00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:40.540 Marianne Schnall: Oh, my God! Well, you're a shift maker! Um! So a shift maker to me is somebody who is helping to usher in new paradigm shifts in the world that are absolutely, you know, necessary to I mean you. I mean all I can say.

00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:42.690 Marianne Schnall: I don't think it's ever been more clear.

00:36:42.700 --> 00:37:02.040 Marianne Schnall: Um, with all of the signs from Mother Nature, You know we're living through academics and climate change, and then there's like school shootings and wars, and all the inequities that we see that that. How do you say this? Nicely human? The human race is a little dysfunctional at the moment. Maybe

00:37:02.050 --> 00:37:32.039 Marianne Schnall: i'm thinking nicely. Maybe we might want to try some new paradigms. Some of those new paradigms might be realizing our interdependence with each other in the earth. You started your common unity. I'm in human unity, our world, community, World community Exactly. And that means of all beings, humans aren't the all knowing like we're at the top. No, there is a a natural device like. Can we prevent the hurricane? No. Could we prevent the pandemic? There is an intelligence that we need to work with, and we need to

00:37:32.050 --> 00:37:37.180 Marianne Schnall: with each other, you know. I I I remember asking, you know maybe it was doing good all like.

00:37:37.230 --> 00:37:46.940 Marianne Schnall: Do you think we forget that we're on a planet spinning in space like we literally are. This is our home, and we are family on this home with all living beings.

00:37:46.950 --> 00:38:12.940 Marianne Schnall: And so anybody. So that's why anybody who, you know Jane Goodall represents a shift interdependence with the you know the earth and the animals, or um, you know somebody like President Carter, or, you know, even Kimberly Crenshaw talking about, You know intersectionality, or you know all of these people that represent sort of shifts in our thinking to just the structures on the planet that need to break down. Exactly.

00:38:12.950 --> 00:38:14.390 Exactly.

00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:41.159 Marianne Schnall: Oh, my! And again that's another another program. But it's all hopeful. So shift makers. What i'm trying to do is say, the more people who don't say, Oh, my God! It's like Armageddon, the end of the world! And more people are like. Oh, there's a shift happening. We're we're evolving our consciousness that has power, and that can grow. And I really truly believe that can like you know, save the future of of

00:38:41.210 --> 00:39:00.910 Sandra Bargman: it's the edge of every day, the willingness to be real about the the the things that are working, the darker aspects, the shadow aspects like that. And I talk about racism as being a collective

00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:18.349 Sandra Bargman: and misogyny as a collective shadow. The willingness for everyone to get on board and to talk about it then. And we're seeing the structures, the paradigms, your word are are cracking and are shifting and are changing. So what is your advice.

00:39:18.730 --> 00:39:22.679 Sandra Bargman: You know the edge of. I always talk about the the biggest fear.

00:39:22.890 --> 00:39:29.569 Sandra Bargman: One of the biggest fears of the biggest edges is the fear of change.

00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:47.260 Sandra Bargman: And how do you? What would be your advice to? How do you deal with your fear of change? What advice would you give to other people about being more embracing of change in today's world.

00:39:48.720 --> 00:39:59.930 Marianne Schnall: I mean to me. I don't think there's just like what we're talking about. I think everybody can see changes needed, and you know it. That I mean

00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:12.600 Marianne Schnall: to me. That's kind of the meaning of life of like, you know, is sort of us, evolving um individually and collectively, so I would think that we all

00:40:12.610 --> 00:40:32.620 Marianne Schnall: we all sort of want the same things. I feel, you know. But I I I think so. Oh, go ahead. Oh, yeah. So um, you know. By the way, one of the things I was going to say, because I always wear it like this. I'd ask Gloria Steinem if there was a phrase to put on a bracelet which it it benefits my organization, feminist com, and she came up

00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:38.139 Marianne Schnall: with the phrase Um, which means a lot to her. We are linked, not ranked.

00:40:38.150 --> 00:41:03.619 Marianne Schnall: We are linked, not ranked. And to me that has always been such an important, you know, framework for sort of having this conversation of just, you know, talking about paradigm shifts, but to me that it feels good to to feel that way to feel it, because there's so much to do. I mean, I don't think anybody wants it to be keep going the way that it's going like I feel like we all would welcome change. So I guess

00:41:03.630 --> 00:41:04.930 Marianne Schnall: um,

00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:07.729 Marianne Schnall: you know, just going with the flow,

00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:15.609 Marianne Schnall: you know, and it seems like we know that we we need to break through into something. I think change will

00:41:15.630 --> 00:41:30.759 Sandra Bargman: mit ctl and feel much better than than with the stress that we're living under. Now it's connected. I see it connected to the consciousness, the raising of the consciousness, of course, that you're promoting, of course, in your show and shift makers. And hopefully. I'm promoting in this that you know one hundred and fifty,

00:41:30.770 --> 00:41:47.570 Sandra Bargman: and it gets back to a sense of of of internal work, of getting real. With that the the the only constant in life is change, and

00:41:47.770 --> 00:41:51.970 Sandra Bargman: I don't know. I see some people as being very wired to be

00:41:51.980 --> 00:42:09.360 Sandra Bargman: erez agmoni, a more accepting and more curious, and actually interested in change, and some people being more wired to be more incredibly fearful of change, and wanting to hang on to these old paradigms in these old structures. So one hundred and one,

00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:29.370 Marianne Schnall: I find that to be a a real conundrum. Um, we can't. When I deal with people. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think it's It's a that like I've started to learn on focusing on the people, you know, like, let's boost our signal. There's some people that Aren't going to change, but also like it's going to get it, having compassion

00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:31.040 Marianne Schnall: for the those people

00:42:31.050 --> 00:42:49.410 Marianne Schnall: that they're fearful and whatever programming it would like also just realizing like there's something to it. It's not sometimes in their control control. Sometimes it is, but also like I think, not wasting energy on trying to change people that for whatever reason Aren't going to change, let's all boost ours, you know. Signal

00:42:50.330 --> 00:43:00.100 Sandra Bargman: Uplift our signal, indeed, and you know I as an interface minister, I I always say, you know we're bridge builders, and I should be wanting to have these conversations with

00:43:00.170 --> 00:43:12.409 Sandra Bargman: people. Um, that that you know Q. And on people I But no, I said, you know those kinds of conversation. I can't. I can't know. We have to be dealing with the same facts, and I think modeling

00:43:12.580 --> 00:43:15.439 Sandra Bargman: comfort with change is a more powerful

00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:31.790 Sandra Bargman: stance for me to take. And certainly that's what the stance that you have in your life and in your podcast and all of your guests, all of the um interviews that I've listened to, all talk about the embrace of change in the inevitability of change

00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:44.749 Marianne Schnall: mhm mhm and that also means, you know, in like my interview with Oprah, which I interviewed her about her documentary belief about the commonalities across all religions. But you know the reminder of what you were saying. It does start with like

00:43:44.760 --> 00:44:04.620 Marianne Schnall: your internal world, and just you know you have to start there, um, you know, and and find time for for that, too, because I think there's so many inputs that are overwhelming. And I think you know it's that the B to change thing. Um is also just realizing you first have to take care of your own. You know spaceship.

00:44:04.630 --> 00:44:23.149 Sandra Bargman: Yeah, I like that spaceship. I totally like that. I'm stealing that. Well, that's a a great place for us to take a break, and when we come back I'm going to ask you, How do you stay balanced? And how do you stay, hopeful? And when we come back with Mary Ann Schnell

00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:31.359 Sandra Bargman: on the edge of every day we'll get to that, and we'll get to her leading edge when we come back. Stay tuned

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00:46:27.980 --> 00:46:45.309 Sandra Bargman: On the edge of every day, and we are back with Marianne Schnell before we get into. How do you keep balanced and hopeful, Marianne? I do want to connect to your bracelet one more time because I'm thrilled to tell you. I read about it, and I ordered one.

00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:47.410 Sandra Bargman: What is the phrase? Again

00:46:47.930 --> 00:46:51.289 Marianne Schnall: we are linked, not ranked.

00:46:51.370 --> 00:47:04.109 Sandra Bargman: So what does that you you to say what that meant to you? But but specifically more specifically, it was created by Gloria stonem. What? What's the What's the message with that?

00:47:04.410 --> 00:47:15.689 Marianne Schnall: To me? It's everything that we're talking about? It's that sense that there is no hierarchy that we are all I wanted to hear. Yes, yes, no hierarchy

00:47:15.700 --> 00:47:41.860 Marianne Schnall: to me. You know It's it's it's across. You know all the many false divides that we, you know, are often used to divide us or rank us. So all exactly, all of them race, gender, class, um, you know, ability, um, sexuality, religion, whatever a global divide, but also

00:47:42.030 --> 00:48:01.439 Marianne Schnall: it would be with the earth, with the animals Right? It's. It's to me. The more I've thought about it, the more profound it gets, and um! And I love that. It was sort of Gloria having to figure out what her how to put her core. Philosophy, the world she wanted

00:48:01.450 --> 00:48:09.360 Marianne Schnall: on just a fit on a bracelet, and I've heard her say it, you know, many times since, and you know it just I. I feel like you

00:48:09.600 --> 00:48:20.469 Marianne Schnall: mit Ctl. And you know that would be if I had to like. I have a motto of the change that would really help where we are right now it would be to understand that it's very profound, and and one hundred and fifty

00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:34.759 Marianne Schnall: to purchase. One of these is on your website, Mary. It's up it. Well, we are linked to not rank. Dot Com. Yes, okay, yes, and it's the link is on your website as well. Yes, And in addition to my organization. Twenty-four percent also goes to Gloria's foundation, too. So,

00:48:34.770 --> 00:49:04.359 Marianne Schnall: and she loves the bracelets which makes me so happy, you know also. And then I just wear them to remind me of the message, and for good luck, and because they're they're pretty, They're gorgeous, and that's why I order one. I, for all of those reasons to remind myself, I loved reading about the message, how it was created. Oh, yeah, you have to, because it actually came from this whole. Imagine Project, start with you'll go. Oh, no! And it was. Imagine you. You can read the whole thing and of how it evolved. But um, yeah, And one day i'd love to have even, you know more products and all

00:49:04.370 --> 00:49:09.350 Marianne Schnall: all different things, because i'd love to see you know everybody with this message.

00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.609 Amen. Amen.

00:49:11.870 --> 00:49:22.189 Sandra Bargman: So again. Um! How how do you, Marianne? Stay balanced and hopeful in these tumultuous times? And what advice would you have for your younger self?

00:49:22.410 --> 00:49:27.560 Marianne Schnall: Well, these are all questions like I ask other people. I'm not used to answering them myself.

00:49:27.690 --> 00:49:30.669 Marianne Schnall: Okay, let me think. Um.

00:49:30.730 --> 00:49:49.269 Marianne Schnall: Well, it's a constant practice. Um, it's you know it's not something you can perfect, and i'm better most some days than others. Um, as we said like today. When this you know the the tree, you know, fell in the backyard. Knock down the whole swing set, and the and the phones weren't working. One of the things is like

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:56.349 Marianne Schnall: going with the flow a little bit. Um, just like, you know, and also just like we were talking about having gratitude. Okay, Didn't hit the house

00:49:56.620 --> 00:50:15.439 Marianne Schnall: Hurt anybody, you know, like trying to have perspective gratitude. Um, that's an ongoing thing. Um, but um, you know, I really have to find time, especially in all of the busyness, because I definitely can feel like I need to like, save the world. Every second of every day is to take time for myself, and, like I, I do try to like

00:50:15.450 --> 00:50:28.270 Marianne Schnall: meditate um in all forms. I do try to like, take a walk. I highly recommend going out and being in nature. Um, just I I I find that such a reminder of just like

00:50:28.620 --> 00:50:41.670 Marianne Schnall: what's important, what's important, but also the magic and beauty and mystery and spirituality. Maybe it's because I grew up in the city. I'm still like Oh, my God! Like a butterfly, and the birds and

00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:49.390 Marianne Schnall: the trees changing colors. It's incredible. So I think those are some of the ways. And then just um,

00:50:49.740 --> 00:50:53.489 Marianne Schnall: you know, constantly checking my thoughts,

00:50:53.580 --> 00:51:10.670 Marianne Schnall: because, you know, I feel like that's also just. You know we were talking about before cultivating a relationship with my inner world to see how i'm doing um. And then also like remembering to breathe. And and lastly, Apparently I have a whole book on this. But i'm controlling um,

00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:29.140 Marianne Schnall: you know, just just controlling the amount of inputs. And what inputs you have? Because it's really tempting to kind of be on your phone and everything all the time, and just making sure that you take some time, for you know just silence and reflection. Um, and the advice for my younger self

00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:41.039 Marianne Schnall: would be device that um, you know I um two things, and there are also things I say to my daughters, and they're also made their way into, like my book like there to be for girls. Um,

00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.930 Marianne Schnall: one is don't care so much what other people think

00:51:44.950 --> 00:51:53.059 Marianne Schnall: Um, because I was obsessed with what everybody thought trying to fit in and be popular takes away your power,

00:51:53.070 --> 00:52:17.089 Marianne Schnall: um, you know, and every major, like big leader who I I've talked to talks about, you know. I'm saying, Nancy Pelosi doesn't bother you. People are always say she's like that. That's our problem like, really, you can't be a good leader and please everybody. So just like you can't speak your voice. Yes, and then my my first book, Um, which a book, of course, was called a daring to be ourselves. And this is dare to me for girls,

00:52:17.100 --> 00:52:18.410 Marianne Schnall: be you?

00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:46.329 Marianne Schnall: We think we should try to fit in and be like everybody else. No, it's your uniqueness. It's it's It's what makes you different is actually the thing you want to cultivate, not to fit in. That's your gift. That's your calling. My two daughters are so different. They're both doing incredible things, you know in the world, and it's because that's What I try to develop in them is just helping them be true to themselves and celebrate what it is that they uniquely have, you know, to offer. So those are some things

00:52:46.340 --> 00:52:51.830 Sandra Bargman: oh, beautiful, absolutely well. And you're just such a a powerful

00:52:52.220 --> 00:53:02.250 Sandra Bargman: mentor for young people, because I would think, because of your your daughters that you You can talk that language, and you've written this book.

00:53:02.910 --> 00:53:20.780 Marianne Schnall: It's it's very moving.

00:53:21.220 --> 00:53:30.810 Marianne Schnall: Um, you know. See the world, Um, you know, in a much more um holistic, you know. Intersectional way. Um, yes,

00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:43.390 Sandra Bargman: erez agmoni than some of us older generations. Yeah, indeed! Well, I am, hey? We're we're working on it. I'm. So i'm so moved by what you were saying, and i'm thinking of myself as a young person and one hundred and one,

00:53:43.560 --> 00:53:58.169 Sandra Bargman: and trying so hard to be perfect and nice, and this whole notion that to be a leader, you and it's particularly socialized for females. This notion of being nice. No, to be kind,

00:53:58.340 --> 00:54:16.410 Sandra Bargman: and in today's turbulent to our point about reaching out across to people that that want to move us backwards, we can still be kind and be very forceful in our speaking our truth and speaking our voice. And in particular, young women need to hear this.

00:54:16.420 --> 00:54:46.369 Marianne Schnall: Oh, yeah, more than ever. We're definitely being called, you know, to use our voices, and that was the one um point that my Anjali made in both my interviews was the importance of courage, so that without courage you can't practice any other virtue, you know consistently. And in today's times we need women who are often told. Yeah, as you were saying to please and and and be nice, and not make trouble, and you know, sort of back into the corner. No, and we're seeing it, though, so, as you said

00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:54.919 Marianne Schnall: so, if anything's come out of the turmoil of these past years, it has been, you know it is really woken us all up, but particularly women, are, you know,

00:54:55.290 --> 00:55:06.090 Sandra Bargman: connecting to their hearts. Yes, core, courage, cure your heart connecting to our heart, and what we're most compassionate and passionate about with passion.

00:55:06.100 --> 00:55:24.039 Sandra Bargman: Uh-huh. Oh, well, I have a million more questions, Mary, and she all. But of course we are coming to the end of our hour. So I am going to stop and invite you to come back again another time. I'd like to continue this conversation in our future,

00:55:24.050 --> 00:55:28.189 Sandra Bargman: and to thank you so much for being on the show tonight.

00:55:28.560 --> 00:55:49.339 Marianne Schnall: Well, thank you for having me, and thank you for the show. Because this is yeah, exactly shift making. You know I really appreciate. I resonate with the message of the show and what you're trying to do, and uh, you know, grateful for our long time connection indeed! Me, too. So where can we find you, Marianne Chanel, dot Com. Yes,

00:55:49.520 --> 00:56:08.479 Marianne Schnall: and so is that that's the best spot or well, Yeah, things lead to Marianne. All my articles and books are there. Shift makers is my podcast, my platform what we'll take dot com, Thomas Com, which will be going through a whole what I call it like reimagining soon. Um, but yes,

00:56:08.490 --> 00:56:24.740 Marianne Schnall: um! A little bit of a wild West right now, but it's being redesigned, but you can find links to just about anything. Um, you might need to know Right? And you're also You're also on Facebook and Linkedin and Twitter and all of those places you are. You are

00:56:24.750 --> 00:56:34.190 Sandra Bargman: ubiquitous. You have to be not saying I. Yes, you must be you're You're right, you must be. Oh, no! Because I i'm

00:56:34.660 --> 00:56:45.520 Marianne Schnall: using my platform to spread the mess. All these important messages you have to do what you got to do to get the word out, so

00:56:45.680 --> 00:56:57.250 Marianne Schnall: i'll do it. We can take a break from our phones. And then an hour later back on there getting the message out, i'm thankful we're all finding each other, you know kindred spirits. So indeed.

00:56:57.390 --> 00:57:02.509 Sandra Bargman: Well I I, for those of you who are listening in. I thank you so much

00:57:03.060 --> 00:57:04.689 Sandra Bargman: as you know

00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:06.920 Sandra Bargman: each and every day

00:57:07.090 --> 00:57:14.539 Sandra Bargman: we are always at the edge of the miraculous. So again I thank you, Marianne.

00:57:14.640 --> 00:57:16.229 Sandra Bargman: One last,

00:57:16.470 --> 00:57:19.599 Sandra Bargman: a nugget of wisdom before we say goodbye.

00:57:20.350 --> 00:57:21.500 Marianne Schnall: Um!

00:57:22.830 --> 00:57:27.780 Marianne Schnall: Realize that right now. Everything you do. Well, first of all, vote.

00:57:27.850 --> 00:57:35.940 Marianne Schnall: There you go first of all. That's the nugget. Well, but also one last thing, as Jane Goodall said

00:57:35.950 --> 00:57:54.880 Marianne Schnall: Everything that you do every day makes a difference. So decide what type of difference you're gonna make, what you say, what you buy, what media you can consume, and companies you support who you vote for everything you do, so just to be more aware. So we can all together like work to, you know, Make a better word for for us all.

00:57:56.020 --> 00:57:57.969 Sandra Bargman: Amen. Thank you

00:57:58.170 --> 00:58:06.240 Sandra Bargman: to those listening in. We will see you next week. Remember again, always at the edge of the miraculous.

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