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Wednesday, August 17, 2022
Facebook Live Video from 2022/08/17 - The Business Of Animal Rescue

Facebook Live Video from 2022/08/17 - The Business Of Animal Rescue


2022/08/17 - The Business Of Animal Rescue

[New Episode] The Business Of Animal Rescue


Find out what current laws dictate, how to find out what your local laws are and get involved in making positive changes happen! Remember, the animals need you to be their voice. Guest: Donna Fiorelli


There is no doubt that animal rescues need better regulation and enforcement. On this episode we will discuss the good, the bad and the ugly in the Wild, Wild West world of rescue.

EPISODE QUOTE:  Support a rescue that is treating their animals really well. – Valerie Heffron 


Tune in for this heart-felt conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Valerie and Tommy welcome back their guest Donna Fiorelli. Valerie introduces the topic of the episode, which relates to the animal rescue businesses. Donna, an attorney, gives a legal definition of animal rescue. She then tells Tommy and Valerie the key difference between a rescue and a shelter. Donna gives a shout-out to Grace Hussain, who wrote an article for sentient where she stated the statistics for the most rescued animal. Animal welfare organizations are not regulated by the united states federal government, says Donna.

Segment 2

Valerie, Tommy, and Donna discuss how much of our tax money is going to rescue organizations. Donna gives a shout-out to Animal Rescue She speaks highly of their blog and the work they’ve done. Donna asks what NY does do for animal safety and wellbeing. They created the Federation and Division of Animal Cruelty Enforcement. Donna says the website was created to help citizens understand the law that relates to companion animals in NY state. Valerie explains the meaning of foil which stands for Freedom of Information Law, It gives citizens a right to information.

Segment 3

Valerie, Tommy, and Donna discuss how the animal rescue system is broken. Valerie mentions some rescues that can be compared to a mill because of the poor housing conditions. She also talks about some directors of animal shelters who have sent animals to live in poor conditions. Valerie argues that we need regulation and enforcement when relating to animal control. Donna suggests penalizing people involved with unregulated organizations. Valerie says to look for the red flags. Organizations should lead with transparency and should have a positive and helpful demeanor. You want to support a rescue that is treating their animals really well.

Segment 4

For those who want to get involved, Donna suggests going back to basics and head to the humane society’s website. You can find useful tips on how to stop puppy mills. The Humane Society offers guides on how to be an advocate. Donna informs the listeners how to get in touch with her.


00:00:54.750 --> 00:01:13.950 Tommy D: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls canines felines amphibians what's up it's your voice for me the nonprofit sector connector and my Pal my comrade my favorite animal advocate in the whole freakin galaxy Valerie half on what's up bow what's up kid.

00:01:14.430 --> 00:01:26.400 Valerie Heffron: hey I am really excited for today i'm excited for today's topic i'm excited for our returning guest and amazing person who I just love and adore.

00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:37.950 Valerie Heffron: Not only because she is a fantastic professional employer, but she's just a really good person and the best part about this is that she wants to get more involved in animal advocacy.

00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.700 Tommy D: really welcome to the show.

00:01:42.360 --> 00:01:46.080 Donna Fiorelli: Thank you very much i'm thrilled to be here now it's really it's a great honor.

00:01:46.380 --> 00:01:47.310 Tommy D: Honestly, like army.

00:01:47.580 --> 00:01:48.660 Valerie Heffron: He come.

00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:59.460 Tommy D: On to the dark side we have i'll just say that I just because I like cookies and it's not the dark side, I honestly it's the opposite, this is where the light is and why What do you mean this is where the light is well so Val.

00:02:01.080 --> 00:02:01.980 Sorry, oh gosh.

00:02:03.750 --> 00:02:05.910 Tommy D: Well, get that human out of there let's see the dog.

00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.950 Tommy D: To be well, by the way, Hello there joby what's up handsome.

00:02:14.730 --> 00:02:16.380 Tommy D: Now I didn't know he could talk like that.

00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:32.100 Valerie Heffron: yeah so actually I wanted him to be part of the show today because he is a rescue dog, and you know that is one of our topics is you know people a lot of times think in their minds that they can only get a.

00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:37.290 Valerie Heffron: certain kind of dog and you know the truth is there's rescues for like.

00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.960 Valerie Heffron: Every single kind of dog that you can imagine, so.

00:02:40.230 --> 00:02:40.860 Tommy D: Why don't we jump.

00:02:42.030 --> 00:02:48.000 Tommy D: right into the not we want, we want you over here, but before we jump into it, I just want to introduce this you've never been with us before.

00:02:48.330 --> 00:02:57.600 Tommy D: I want you to understand something i'm just about to recreate our mission statement right here, live for you and i'll tell you why i'm going to do that, it says here, as I look at my notes, and this is what we wrote.

00:02:57.900 --> 00:03:12.780 Tommy D: We want to amplify the message crossing out want to, we are already doing that no big deal just changing the world hashtag no big deal just changing the world we are amplifying the message that the bond between animal lovers is incredibly strong.

00:03:13.950 --> 00:03:23.610 Tommy D: We are supporting each other and business it's already happening, this was something that we talked about but it's happening, so we need to put this into the present tense Valerie don't you agree Val.

00:03:24.390 --> 00:03:32.010 Valerie Heffron: Yes, and I want to add also we want to support each other in business in rescue and in animal advocacy.

00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:38.280 Tommy D: Absolutely, and we want to do that, because when when this compassionate network comes together.

00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:41.970 Tommy D: Everyone wins.

00:03:48.870 --> 00:03:54.180 Tommy D: Thank you joey thanks for paying attention you've obviously watched the program before know how it works.

00:03:54.390 --> 00:04:04.500 Tommy D: And what we do here last last before I take I live Valerie take it away is i'll say this, we come together to really do three things it's to learn.

00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:18.660 Tommy D: is to educate and then we take that learning and that education and we go to work we act, we advocate that's it learn educate and advocate that's what we're doing here Valerie have fun take it away introduce our guests let's jump into the story.

00:04:19.410 --> 00:04:31.380 Valerie Heffron: So i'm Donna like I said, is a returning guest on a few rally she is a highly specialized and brilliant attorney i've seen her present and, let me tell you something she will blow you away.

00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:34.470 Valerie Heffron: She somehow makes even things like bankruptcy interesting.

00:04:35.880 --> 00:04:36.480 Valerie Heffron: No offense.

00:04:36.540 --> 00:04:37.200 Donna Fiorelli: So.

00:04:37.710 --> 00:04:39.180 Valerie Heffron: The bankruptcy lawyer.

00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:41.580 Valerie Heffron: I had a foreclosure Defense defending.

00:04:41.700 --> 00:04:42.840 Tommy D: Who is a Federal Bank.

00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:44.400 Tommy D: we're going to get offended.

00:04:44.550 --> 00:04:46.440 Valerie Heffron: I don't need to go backwards for you, I mean.

00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:47.520 Valerie Heffron: Financial stuff.

00:04:47.880 --> 00:04:54.780 Valerie Heffron: And she this young lady can squeeze more words in 60 seconds versus anyone else i've ever met.

00:04:55.080 --> 00:05:05.490 Valerie Heffron: But aside from that she she genuinely has a heart of gold, you know I know people who she's helped and they have claimed, you know that she is a lifesaver.

00:05:05.850 --> 00:05:18.810 Valerie Heffron: And so, now the fact that she wants to combine for big heart and her brilliance to help the animals that is just you know it's music to my ears so without any further ado today's topic.

00:05:19.530 --> 00:05:33.180 Valerie Heffron: That we're going to really dive into is the business of animal rescue and legally, I asked on it, it comes to the table with some valuable information because a lot of people don't know.

00:05:33.630 --> 00:05:44.700 Valerie Heffron: A lot about animal rescue and that includes people who maybe want to get into it, you know what I mean so So here we go Donna Donna, for your alley take it away whatever you want to start.

00:05:45.090 --> 00:05:52.470 Donna Fiorelli: I listen, I appreciate this very much it's a fantastic opportunity to be amongst you guys, because you see i'm from the other side.

00:05:52.710 --> 00:06:05.400 Donna Fiorelli: You guys are so heavily involved and, yes, i'm an animal lover i'm a professional, I have a career, but when i'm not practicing law, like all the other professionals, that are the lovers of animals, you know awareness education.

00:06:05.760 --> 00:06:10.740 Donna Fiorelli: And you know learning is it's not it's not easy it's not easy, I mean.

00:06:10.770 --> 00:06:12.780 Donna Fiorelli: I learned a tremendous amount just by.

00:06:13.170 --> 00:06:18.360 Donna Fiorelli: You know hanging out with you guys being part of these programs following you trying to support your causes.

00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:21.150 Donna Fiorelli: Like well the many other other up you know professionals.

00:06:21.420 --> 00:06:35.580 Donna Fiorelli: But it's it's it's the fuzziness it's the Gray areas of a lot of these rules and regulations and it's the awareness is where you got to start so for many people on this podcast today, it might seem very simplified but i'm going to build as we go forward.

00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:44.430 Donna Fiorelli: So the beginning the number one question is so what is animal rescue, by definition, so animal rescue.

00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:59.670 Donna Fiorelli: is defined as a true social service that protects animals from dangerous conditions, involving abuse and cruelty, so the legal definition of animal rescue is a social service, I found it to be very interesting.

00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:09.030 Donna Fiorelli: Because, along with that you're it's a combination of you know what should be rules and regulations and what good public policy would be when it comes to animals and for people.

00:07:09.330 --> 00:07:11.880 Valerie Heffron: And so we're in an enforcement.

00:07:12.030 --> 00:07:18.420 Donna Fiorelli: and enforcement oh yeah that that comes with it now, you know, again we live in a land, I want to jump around, but the.

00:07:19.080 --> 00:07:27.060 Donna Fiorelli: ID we live in, and I do, that a lot of is where it's a dual governmental system, so, in other words, we have federal law we have State law.

00:07:27.330 --> 00:07:36.420 Donna Fiorelli: And underneath the State law, we have all the local offices and because animals are not granted human rights it's very difficult to get them into the system.

00:07:36.840 --> 00:07:45.750 Donna Fiorelli: Because it, you know now more than ever they're actually deemed more important than than just private property they're always just personal property like a watch or a car very shoes.

00:07:46.080 --> 00:07:55.050 Donna Fiorelli: So over the course of the years we've seen massive improvement, but we also see where it's needed so, then you know, is an animal rescue organization different than an animal shelter.

00:07:55.980 --> 00:08:01.140 Donna Fiorelli: Okay there's a great level of ambiguity and flexibility surrounding these two concepts.

00:08:01.830 --> 00:08:11.520 Donna Fiorelli: If there were to be a key difference between a rescue and a shelter, it would be generally speaking, that animal shelters tend to have facilities that have how's the animals.

00:08:11.970 --> 00:08:23.070 Donna Fiorelli: Whereas animal rescues are typically Forster based organizations, regardless of what they call themselves whether you're dealing with the shelter or rescue both types of these organizations have a common goal.

00:08:23.700 --> 00:08:29.130 Donna Fiorelli: And they exist strictly to help animals so which animals are subject to rescue.

00:08:29.790 --> 00:08:37.440 Donna Fiorelli: Now, all the different rules and regulations are not federal they're all state, so the number one group that is subject to rescue you can imagine.

00:08:37.950 --> 00:08:54.660 Donna Fiorelli: Is dogs now the following information, I have to give credit where credit's due okay grace who seen on January 14 2022 or an incredible article she writes for sentient and she came out with all these statistics are gonna blow everybody's mind really.

00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.770 Valerie Heffron: Quick ready i'm ready.

00:08:56.160 --> 00:09:03.450 Donna Fiorelli: When it comes to dogs number one group every year and estimated 3.1 million dogs into shelters across the United States.

00:09:04.020 --> 00:09:20.250 Donna Fiorelli: as high as that number is that number actually has decreased to an estimated 3.9 million dogs since 2011 that shows you the tremendous improvement of dog placement or dogs not entering into shelters okay so just shows.

00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:30.120 Valerie Heffron: That because I have to just interject with a quick question was there any reference to their potentially being also a correlation to.

00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:41.970 Valerie Heffron: Like the financial markets, the the the economy, because I, I personally am hearing that more animals are being surrendered now because there is economic hardship and.

00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:47.850 Valerie Heffron: I don't want to get political i'm not going to call it a recession, I think it's a recession that's how I was taught in school, but whatever but.

00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:59.160 Valerie Heffron: But, regardless of whether it is or isn't inflation is high, and you know people, the real estate market seems to be slowing so i'm just curious about if if that.

00:10:00.540 --> 00:10:02.340 Valerie Heffron: person referenced.

00:10:03.570 --> 00:10:13.410 Valerie Heffron: i'm hoping it's not i'm hoping that everybody is just adopting and now shopping, but I wondering if it's economical, because your timeframe was during a very bullish era right.

00:10:13.860 --> 00:10:18.000 Donna Fiorelli: Yes, well, the timeframe that this study was done was over the past 10 years.

00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:19.200 Donna Fiorelli: there's no doubt.

00:10:19.260 --> 00:10:22.440 Donna Fiorelli: there's no doubt that you're going to see Spikes is going to look somewhat of like a heart.

00:10:23.160 --> 00:10:29.730 Donna Fiorelli: Okay Okay, but it came to the rates and that whole compilation includes dog surrenders cruelty seizures.

00:10:30.930 --> 00:10:33.570 Donna Fiorelli: rehabilitation and shelters and dogs are actually left there.

00:10:34.950 --> 00:10:44.010 Donna Fiorelli: And streets, so it really includes all encompasses all of that, but those figures are supposed to indicate a general improvement.

00:10:44.400 --> 00:10:56.250 Donna Fiorelli: and improvement of the numbers that are decreasing okay so after George you have cats Okay, the American society for Prevention of Cruelty to animals, which is the aspca for New York it's located in Manhattan in New York City.

00:10:56.670 --> 00:11:00.720 Donna Fiorelli: It has to be said 3.2 million cats enter animal shelters every year.

00:11:01.170 --> 00:11:14.100 Donna Fiorelli: catchable ages conditions and needs enter the shelter doors to be transferred to facility or rescued then put up for adoption or seeking to return to their owner that's a tremendously huge number, followed by cats comes horses.

00:11:15.210 --> 00:11:16.560 Donna Fiorelli: Horses are subject to rescue.

00:11:17.430 --> 00:11:22.830 Donna Fiorelli: Horses are in rescue the United States, between the numbers currently a 5000 to 10,000 a year.

00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:32.820 Donna Fiorelli: they're typically re homes because of health behavioral issues or lack of suitability for their intended purposes, many of these sources are seized okay as well.

00:11:33.300 --> 00:11:44.310 Donna Fiorelli: Livestock and poultry follow that most farmed animals and poultry and shelters and rescues result from people keeping chickens in their backyards okay or from factory farms.

00:11:44.790 --> 00:11:50.250 Donna Fiorelli: Livestock and poultry could end up being rehabbed by shelter or rescue or live out their lives at a sanctuary.

00:11:51.150 --> 00:11:57.660 Donna Fiorelli: And then, finally, of other wildlife and you always hear about something like this, and I know we're in long island and in New York, you always hear.

00:11:57.930 --> 00:12:03.360 Donna Fiorelli: about certain wildlife, that should not be in homes like I don't know alligators occasionally something will escape.

00:12:04.350 --> 00:12:14.340 Donna Fiorelli: Like domesticated animals wildlife often find themselves in need of rescue wildlife that is rescued will be rehabilitated with the goal of eventual released back into the wild so that's the goal.

00:12:15.150 --> 00:12:21.870 Donna Fiorelli: The animals that can't be released will be humanely euthanized due to the condition or kept in captivity or the sanctuary zoom.

00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:23.670 Donna Fiorelli: So then.

00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:28.800 Donna Fiorelli: yeah who oversees in governance these animal rescue organizations.

00:12:28.890 --> 00:12:31.410 Donna Fiorelli: And we're not sure who's in charge of this.

00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:41.100 Donna Fiorelli: Right so here's, a fact that many people don't realize animal welfare organizations are not regulated by the United States Federal Government.

00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:43.260 Valerie Heffron: I read that today right.

00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:53.850 Donna Fiorelli: So, right now, so what does that mean Okay, that means that we have to follow, and this is this is how we have to go back to basics now okay.

00:12:54.420 --> 00:13:02.730 Donna Fiorelli: Under the United States Constitution anything that is not specifically relegated or express to belong to the Federal Government.

00:13:03.180 --> 00:13:12.900 Donna Fiorelli: and not the federal responsibility is left to the States to determine and many states do you have regulations for inspecting animal welfare organizations.

00:13:13.380 --> 00:13:24.180 Donna Fiorelli: But generally only if those organizations opt out more than a certain number or sorry adopt have a certain number of animals per year so already he's sitting there like What did she just say.

00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.000 Donna Fiorelli: That still doesn't answer the question.

00:13:27.270 --> 00:13:31.620 Valerie Heffron: What we got okay so and I, you know me I got otherwise i'm going to.

00:13:32.760 --> 00:13:33.420 Valerie Heffron: just go on and on.

00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:35.220 Donna Fiorelli: But it's it's very quiet, is it yes.

00:13:35.310 --> 00:13:43.410 Valerie Heffron: It is confusing and what I want to know i'm gonna put you on the spot is has anything jumped out to you up to this point.

00:13:44.520 --> 00:13:48.060 Valerie Heffron: That you in your mind, or like we have to change this.

00:13:49.380 --> 00:14:03.690 Donna Fiorelli: um I have to tell you, to be honest with you i'm going to actually say the opposite for a second i'm going to say i'm actually surprised at how many organizations and how many public awareness groups belong to the government, right now, what New York state has done what they set up.

00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:15.030 Donna Fiorelli: The increasing amount of money that's poured into these these rescue organizations now having seen that and having actually documented and tracked it my big question is.

00:14:15.780 --> 00:14:26.040 Donna Fiorelli: I don't know where the money is Do you understand, like, I see evidence of the organizations are set up like, for example, under New York state they have the animal protection federation, I never heard of them before.

00:14:26.520 --> 00:14:35.220 Donna Fiorelli: What, how come I don't know about this, why isn't there any weirdness wasn't their organization like what I don't I don't know how much money, are they getting governor heart honcho whatever her name is.

00:14:35.730 --> 00:14:41.400 Donna Fiorelli: November of 2021 increase the amount of money that's going to animal rescues I didn't know that.

00:14:42.390 --> 00:14:43.050 Donna Fiorelli: Either yeah.

00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:46.770 Tommy D: I got it Val I know you're gonna you're about to ask another question we gotta leave.

00:14:46.770 --> 00:14:49.560 Donna Fiorelli: Their dollars to throw the dollar amounts $6 million she gave.

00:14:50.040 --> 00:14:54.960 Tommy D: me a million dollars more towards animal care okay let's let's.

00:14:55.020 --> 00:15:05.730 Tommy D: Do that let's jump right back into that when we come back because you know what your question their daughter as well, you didn't know that or where do you find that out well guess what this is the place, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

00:15:06.540 --> 00:15:19.440 Tommy D: Of all ages, this is where you come to learn this stuff out, I never heard of sentient media but guess what I just showed I shared it on on on our Facebook stream right now, because sentient media is nonprofit news organization Valerie that.

00:15:19.650 --> 00:15:21.540 Valerie Heffron: will help a reporter.

00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:23.010 Tommy D: You know about it.

00:15:23.310 --> 00:15:32.850 Tommy D: Yes, alright so For those of you who don't know about it reports on the corruption within the modern animal industries and brings these stories to the mainstream their goals any transparency.

00:15:32.850 --> 00:15:38.010 Tommy D: and urgency around animal welfare and the problems arising from like large scale use of animals and industry.

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00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:12.540 Tommy D: we're back pals professionals and animal lovers show Valerie and down and we're having this really heated in depth conversation around rescue what it means what it is.

00:18:12.990 --> 00:18:18.180 Tommy D: I mean, I wrote down I think what you know critically right out of the gate you said it's a social service which.

00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:35.850 Tommy D: You know sort of made me chuckle inside, because I have a here my friend Valerie speak about a specific rescue which I don't know if we're going to mention it all by name or not, but that doesn't operate as a social service, in my opinion from the stories i've heard out.

00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:36.600 Valerie Heffron: On the knob.

00:18:37.260 --> 00:18:38.820 Tommy D: operates is something that is not.

00:18:39.870 --> 00:18:55.020 Tommy D: forward thinking just about the animals, they keep bureaucracy comes to mind, you know challenges not not looking out for the animals all that stuff comes to mind when this is by definition they're supposed to be a social service looking out for the.

00:18:55.410 --> 00:18:57.630 Valerie Heffron: day I have so many thoughts on this, but.

00:18:59.190 --> 00:19:02.460 Valerie Heffron: So so Donna getting back to what you were saying with.

00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:02.640 Sam Liebowitz: The.

00:19:02.670 --> 00:19:09.870 Valerie Heffron: With the increased dollar amount and where's the money going so what i'm thinking is very like if this is a government funded.

00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:13.830 Valerie Heffron: The one that you mentioned animal protection What was it.

00:19:14.550 --> 00:19:20.100 Donna Fiorelli: Well, well it's not that it's there there's no federal funding that's going to.

00:19:20.280 --> 00:19:22.620 Valerie Heffron: Animal Protection something federation, the.

00:19:22.620 --> 00:19:25.260 Donna Fiorelli: Man that well that was from New York okay.

00:19:26.820 --> 00:19:44.430 Valerie Heffron: Okay, so we can foil we can foil that and that is something you know I am adamantly in favor of doing, and this is what I want every animal lover to know is that, if anything, is using taxpayer dollars to fund, then they owe you the transparency.

00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:47.160 Donna Fiorelli: Yes, yes, sorry I know.

00:19:47.910 --> 00:19:49.290 Valerie Heffron: yeah so keep going keep going.

00:19:49.710 --> 00:20:00.690 Donna Fiorelli: No, no, no it's very interesting because you were talking about these professional groups okay and professional websites where to get information, I came across an awesome company a great group that's been around for a long time.

00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:03.630 Donna Fiorelli: Animal rescue

00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:13.560 Donna Fiorelli: phenomenal they blog on a number of different topics and I learned a lot from them and took from them okay to build this thing today all right.

00:20:13.830 --> 00:20:22.860 Donna Fiorelli: they're the ones that will explain to you that it's not the government or the federal responsibility to oversee currently because there's no laws on the books federal laws.

00:20:23.610 --> 00:20:36.030 Donna Fiorelli: To the extent of animal welfare, I mean there are federal rules and regulations when it comes to transporting animals everything you can imagine, because it's livestock, they have to do that, to prevent disease, you know how to edit transport cattle and whatnot.

00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:41.760 Donna Fiorelli: But as far as the States are concerned okay i'm.

00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:57.540 Donna Fiorelli: Animal rescue has beautiful blogs about national organizations involved in animal safety well being they know that animal shelters and animal rescues are not getting government funding and they want everyone to know that animal shelter.

00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:11.670 Valerie Heffron: shelters many shelters do many shelters are funded by taxpayer dollars example Donna you live in the town of Hempstead they have a five and a half million dollar budget and 4.38 goes to payroll just letting you know.

00:21:12.690 --> 00:21:15.060 Donna Fiorelli: Okay, but but that's is that state money.

00:21:15.780 --> 00:21:17.400 Valerie Heffron: that's town of Hempstead money.

00:21:17.580 --> 00:21:18.120 Valerie Heffron: Right.

00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:20.370 Valerie Heffron: that's your hair dollars right.

00:21:20.430 --> 00:21:21.780 Donna Fiorelli: that's local that's local.

00:21:22.050 --> 00:21:24.420 Valerie Heffron: Oh okay right.

00:21:25.110 --> 00:21:31.560 Donna Fiorelli: So under New York so new york's got a great website something else you can check out, so what is New York to for animal safety and well being.

00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:39.030 Donna Fiorelli: New York has created the Federation and a division of animal cruelty enforcement, they have a beautiful website.

00:21:39.600 --> 00:21:48.600 Donna Fiorelli: The Federation created this website to help you know the law as it relates to companion animals in New York state now a companion animal as a pet.

00:21:49.110 --> 00:21:57.270 Donna Fiorelli: Anything there's legal to have as a pet right so as the advocacy voice they consider themselves to be the advocacy voice of new york's animal shelters.

00:21:57.870 --> 00:22:03.060 Donna Fiorelli: The fed they call themselves the Fed I found to be interesting Okay, because it's not the federal government, but the constables the Fed.

00:22:03.540 --> 00:22:13.230 Donna Fiorelli: focuses on public policy and legislative initiatives at the state and local level amongst legislative accomplishments, this is what they've done.

00:22:14.070 --> 00:22:25.830 Donna Fiorelli: companion animal capital fund $5 million in state funding it's now 6 million under governor harsher as of November 2021 dedicated to the capital needs of new york's shelters.

00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:33.870 Donna Fiorelli: covering the whole time for unidentified cats banning the leasing of pets in New York, who even knew that was the thing.

00:22:34.230 --> 00:22:35.130 Valerie Heffron: I knew there was a thing.

00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.570 Donna Fiorelli: of saying, do you know everything.

00:22:37.110 --> 00:22:41.220 Valerie Heffron: But i'm sitting here trying not to call bullshit.

00:22:43.650 --> 00:22:56.400 Valerie Heffron: I just gotta be honest, what what gets me it's like stuck in my craw right is the fact that New York city's a cnc if you look it up and yc a cnc sense for animal care of control.

00:22:56.670 --> 00:23:06.570 Valerie Heffron: It is one of the it's probably the bloody of shelter in the country, probably i'm not going to say that definitively because I haven't done an apples to apples for every single municipal shelter, but I will tell you.

00:23:06.810 --> 00:23:18.000 Valerie Heffron: I mean I forgot, who we had a well Andrew weapon Andrew weapon we had on and through foils you know what's uncovered plus all the people who go there they're killing like eight dogs a day.

00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:26.880 Tommy D: Now let me interrupt you just for money going back just for our listeners, who are not familiar with that term let's bring everybody into the conversation oil.

00:23:27.150 --> 00:23:29.040 Tommy D: Give it 30 seconds explain it for us.

00:23:29.310 --> 00:23:42.540 Valerie Heffron: Freedom of Information law, which gives you the citizen doesn't matter where you live, I can boil a shelter in California, if I want to and so can you, we have a right to information now.

00:23:42.840 --> 00:23:46.560 Valerie Heffron: Sometimes they just won't give it to you, and then you have to fight them for it but that's another story.

00:23:46.860 --> 00:23:50.700 Valerie Heffron: So that's my 30 seconds so i'm sorry darling so so.

00:23:50.910 --> 00:23:59.910 Valerie Heffron: Okay there's five or $6 million going to these city shelters, but nobody really knows what's happening to it because it's definitely not going to the animals that I will say.

00:24:01.110 --> 00:24:07.500 Donna Fiorelli: I didn't think it was that easy to find out where the money went as far as what was available on the Internet, I did not see that okay.

00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:12.150 Donna Fiorelli: It definitely is telling you where it's going, generally speaking, but I did not see that okay.

00:24:13.110 --> 00:24:24.450 Donna Fiorelli: There is something called the shelter rescue registration act Okay, there are certain licensing requirements that I can walk you through as far as if you are going to be let's say you want it to be now someone that.

00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:36.570 Donna Fiorelli: rescues animals Okay, so you can actually, and this is something that I didn't realize this either, you know here you are thinking that animals because I rescued animals everyone's got this stories to tell right.

00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:48.330 Donna Fiorelli: More than one dog and my whole life right, but you never really know unless you go to the paperwork and track where this dog actually came from, there are some rescue shops and actually find these animals.

00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:50.130 Donna Fiorelli: Yes, so.

00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:56.070 Donna Fiorelli: The auction process to do you see what I mean and here's where the cracks are.

00:24:56.970 --> 00:25:04.980 Donna Fiorelli: see these companies and it's all about money, I know you're shocked, most of these organizations take advantage of tax exemptions, and this is the cat.

00:25:05.790 --> 00:25:12.060 Donna Fiorelli: So under what they call you know if you're going to be a charitable function in your organization and you have to qualify, to a certain extent.

00:25:12.450 --> 00:25:23.130 Donna Fiorelli: there's tax exemptions under Section 501 C three specifically and that's the irs code okay and allows for federal tax exemptions for nonprofits.

00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:39.000 Donna Fiorelli: specifically those that are considered public charities private foundations or private operating foundations, it is regulated and administrative administrative administered by the US Department of treasury through the irs, but they do not oversee general operations of the organization.

00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:51.810 Donna Fiorelli: So, once you take once you claim these tax exemptions right the irs will check on you oh let's see what kind of business that you operating okay great, but they don't go in and they don't monitor the day to day operations.

00:25:52.590 --> 00:25:52.800 Valerie Heffron: Oh.

00:25:53.250 --> 00:26:10.530 Valerie Heffron: Let me just move on, I gotta move my, let me just show you what you were just talking about is something Donna, which is infuriating and Tommy i'm going to i'm going to put these dots together, because you have to realize this is what people refer to as retail rescue.

00:26:10.710 --> 00:26:11.190 Valerie Heffron: Okay.

00:26:11.610 --> 00:26:19.650 Valerie Heffron: So Tommy knows very well how hard, a lot of people have worked to get the anti puppy mill bill legislation passed through.

00:26:19.860 --> 00:26:22.080 Valerie Heffron: The Senate and assembly in the State of New York.

00:26:22.170 --> 00:26:32.640 Valerie Heffron: In fact Tommy helped assemble and pull up a couple of cold nights where we had a bunch of people making calls to the legislators, so the point is this is years in the making.

00:26:33.510 --> 00:26:42.720 Valerie Heffron: What we have fought so hard for and it's hopefully going to get signed by governor Cathy hopeful shortly so it's goes into effect is the fact that.

00:26:43.020 --> 00:26:53.040 Valerie Heffron: Like Donna was saying, there are rescues Tommy tell me how you feel about this, you know rescues that are going to puppy and dog auctions.

00:26:53.700 --> 00:27:06.480 Valerie Heffron: Where they're buying these dogs from puppy mill breeders and the argument on the other side, to be fair, is like they're saying well if I buy a dog from a commercial reader.

00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:15.060 Valerie Heffron: And i'm taking that to my rescue i'm going to have it spayed and neutered so it's not going to be bred so they're in their minds that's the justification.

00:27:15.090 --> 00:27:15.510 Tommy D: Though.

00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:17.010 Tommy D: All right, yeah she was.

00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:24.990 Valerie Heffron: Creating demand hold on, let me just let me get this out because you're gonna be very interested in this our friend john Goodwin JP Goodwin from the humane society.

00:27:25.350 --> 00:27:33.600 Valerie Heffron: was quoted recently and huffington post article regarding this issue and so have pull reports that.

00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:41.130 Valerie Heffron: Some rescuers have been buying drugs from commercial breeders aka puppy mills at dog auctions.

00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:59.340 Valerie Heffron: They do sell be nice if I had a haircut so I could read they do so in the name of saving individual dog, but as a result of the increased demand they cause the prices of dogs at auctions have been pushed up considerably puppy mills in response have ramped up production.

00:27:59.490 --> 00:28:04.470 Valerie Heffron: For me, increased demand, I mean this is just noisy.

00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:09.600 Tommy D: yeah that's kinda or you don't curse on the show, but you already said bullshit but that's kind of stuff because.

00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:18.930 Tommy D: I mean we're fighting against this thing to what we were fighting against and are fighting against is the destination point where these animals are sold from.

00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:26.040 Tommy D: Right and if these rescues are giving them an alternative to be sold their will you screwing us you kind of screwing the deal here.

00:28:26.250 --> 00:28:29.160 Tommy D: So yeah now that said Valerie.

00:28:29.280 --> 00:28:33.120 Tommy D: With that little bit of information you just shared with me and my gut reaction.

00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.290 Tommy D: that's what I come up with.

00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:41.730 Valerie Heffron: I need I need more details, we need to have a conversation about it, you know, we need the article, and we need to get JP on the show because.

00:28:41.970 --> 00:28:48.930 Tommy D: Again, my knowledge, and this is limited, but right away my gut says hold on man something don't smell good on that you know what I mean.

00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.550 Valerie Heffron: very diplomatically said.

00:28:50.790 --> 00:28:53.820 Tommy D: yeah well that's me, you know i'm a diplomat, you know, like like.

00:28:54.840 --> 00:28:55.440 Tommy D: JP.

00:28:55.950 --> 00:28:56.160 He.

00:28:57.420 --> 00:28:59.250 Valerie Heffron: did when very diplomatically said.

00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:15.510 Valerie Heffron: Quote we oppose buying dogs at auctions, he said, because it puts money into the pockets of irresponsible people who treat dogs like they are disposable, and that is a guy in charge of the end puppy mills campaign.

00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:16.980 Valerie Heffron: For us.

00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:20.070 Tommy D: All right, we gotta we gotta take a break, we got to share that article.

00:29:20.430 --> 00:29:30.810 Tommy D: We got it we got to share that article before we literally go to a break I gotta check in on Facebook these we got some new people that i've not met before I want to say hello to Kevin shaquille Mendez Thank you Kevin.

00:29:31.530 --> 00:29:43.560 Tommy D: I knew you'd say that I checked to see that you guys are connected to before we shout it out Kevin so I see that my MIC Collins already sharing the website for ny as a P E, F org.

00:29:43.860 --> 00:29:58.980 Tommy D: So that's on Facebook and i'm Sandra Valdez we have a rescue in Texas shut down by the Department of Health today and sending dogs to New York town of Hempstead with wow This is like just inbound.

00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:00.660 Valerie Heffron: hey i've spoken.

00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:02.520 Tommy D: To Sandra so she's saying that.

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:13.170 Tommy D: These animals are being sent to New York with heartworm distemper parvo you are I Chagas to name a few most of those I understood, but chakras I didn't know.

00:30:14.100 --> 00:30:30.030 Tommy D: So wow I think it's time we do take a quick break and maybe we can address some of this will come back this is the professionals and animal lovers show we do three things I see it, Sandra yep we do three things here we learn we educate and we advocate we'll be right back.

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00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:34.950 Tommy D: And we're back.

00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:38.100 Tommy D: Okay.

00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:40.590 Tommy D: holy moly guacamole that's it.

00:32:41.490 --> 00:32:45.240 Tommy D: hold on hold your holy moly guacamole that now for a second.

00:32:45.870 --> 00:32:56.850 Tommy D: Very more than a second welcome back this is past all right now next part about this is, I didn't know what chakras was if i'm saying it right, but Sandra because this show is all about getting school at getting educated right.

00:32:57.030 --> 00:33:06.510 Tommy D: i'm coming to school every every Wednesday from two to three i'm coming here to learn, and I know a couple things i'll teach you about them, but i'm here to learn, and then we go out, we advocate so charge us.

00:33:07.050 --> 00:33:18.300 Tommy D: If i'm pronouncing it correctly Sandra is from kissing Beatles now here's my thing because I have to deflect with humor I there must have been a lot of chocolates during Beatlemania because the Beatles probably kissed a lot of girls.

00:33:18.630 --> 00:33:23.910 Tommy D: just saying that that is valid if I don't do it i'm going to be mad at myself later on.

00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:26.730 Valerie Heffron: No you're wrong, it was actually kicked off by beetlejuice.

00:33:26.790 --> 00:33:27.750 Tommy D: Just letting you know.

00:33:29.580 --> 00:33:29.940 Tommy D: i'll do.

00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:42.030 Tommy D: You try to you try to better get trying to one up the kid right yeah so and then my other joke was don't kiss Beatles and you don't get charged all kidding aside Sandra We know this is tragic.

00:33:42.210 --> 00:33:49.590 Valerie Heffron: situation we don't have an article or a news, yes, you can give us on it, and we will talk about it.

00:33:50.760 --> 00:33:52.530 Tommy D: With us give us the information.

00:33:52.590 --> 00:33:53.970 Tommy D: So we can have a document on it.

00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:55.320 Tommy D: they'll get back into it.

00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:57.210 Valerie Heffron: let's do it yeah Donna so.

00:33:58.470 --> 00:34:07.770 Valerie Heffron: Getting back to the retail rescue or the other things that you just mentioned so just let me know I don't want to keep asking you, but just let me know if you know anything.

00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:17.010 Valerie Heffron: Like kind of captivates you or triggers you and because that's I that's what I feel like happened to me where, like all sudden I was like.

00:34:17.310 --> 00:34:30.780 Valerie Heffron: What do you mean this is political and it's a law, and we have to change it, we have to fix it, we have to make this better you know what I mean so if anything like that goes off in your head by all means let's let's get into that.

00:34:31.080 --> 00:34:34.350 Donna Fiorelli: And I definitely see this cracks in the system.

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.940 Donna Fiorelli: I mean I don't I don't have to be a genius to say that I mean we're seeing it right.

00:34:39.210 --> 00:34:46.140 Donna Fiorelli: So when you really backtrack of these things are happening these puppy mills are popping up everywhere that it's because of opportunity.

00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:57.750 Donna Fiorelli: And how do they have that opportunity, so if you backtrack it someone's not looking out for them that someone's not looking for them so where's the broken system that and I don't know the answer.

00:34:57.930 --> 00:34:58.380 Donna Fiorelli: Right, but when.

00:34:59.370 --> 00:35:03.930 Donna Fiorelli: I did my research and I you and listen man, we all know, it's all about follow the money right.

00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:12.840 Valerie Heffron: Yes, yeah it's very sad because if you think about it, like there's a lot of good people out there there's been a lot of awareness raised about adopt don't shop and.

00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:23.280 Valerie Heffron: If you are going to purchase a puppy or a dog buy it from a reputable breeder not some you know website over the Internet, they just ship you a dog and a truck whatever but.

00:35:23.670 --> 00:35:33.150 Valerie Heffron: here's the here's the thing a lot of these good hearted people who want to rescue and they and they you know seek out a rescue there's sometimes.

00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:53.310 Valerie Heffron: not as great they're not they're almost they can be compared to a mill okay and poor housing conditions deplorable conditions, I personally saw in town of Hempstead the still current Director don't ask me how i'm just giving you my opinion, the still current animal shelter director.

00:35:54.990 --> 00:36:10.110 Valerie Heffron: has sent he has a very well documented history of shipping dogs out to places rescues that have been shut down for animal cruelty neglect and deplorable conditions okay there's a real problem with that.

00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:19.200 Valerie Heffron: is also send friendly adoptable cats out to an outdoor sanctuary in Maryland and I have a foil to prove it so trust me when I tell you, if anyone wants to try to give me a hard time.

00:36:19.770 --> 00:36:31.560 Valerie Heffron: bring it on baby I don't talk, unless I have proof, but anyway, the point is, you know the woman who ran the rescue in upstate New York, she was.

00:36:33.180 --> 00:36:43.980 Valerie Heffron: In May, she rest in peace i'm not attacking anybody, but she clearly had some severe issues going on okay was not the first time she had a rescue that was shut down.

00:36:44.250 --> 00:37:01.890 Valerie Heffron: Prior to that she was a foster parent to human children and CPS took the kids back Okay, so this is clearly it's a pattern but somehow these dogs went to her just recently last week now i'm going to pull the state, right now, but it was August of this year.

00:37:02.610 --> 00:37:14.160 Valerie Heffron: Woman charged with animal cruelty had nearly 200 dogs on property Okay, we need regulation and enforcement, I will say that.

00:37:15.060 --> 00:37:16.710 Donna Fiorelli: I i've got a crazy idea.

00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:24.570 Donna Fiorelli: it's worked it worked when it comes to prostitution it works when it comes to hiring unlicensed contractors.

00:37:25.620 --> 00:37:39.720 Donna Fiorelli: kill the market, make it a severe penalty if you adopt if you pay for if you get for free, if you foster an animal from a in unregulated or.

00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:48.990 Donna Fiorelli: On licensed organization Now I know there's people on this that's probably going to like call in and and be very angry with me because that's going to.

00:37:49.350 --> 00:37:59.040 Donna Fiorelli: Put a big dip into the fostering and adoption of animals, but if you penalize the people who actually participate with these unsavory groups.

00:37:59.370 --> 00:38:07.290 Donna Fiorelli: Just like in prostitution, just like if you hire an unlicensed contractor you get a very hard time suing that contractor in court, because you did not.

00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:07.740 Donna Fiorelli: To.

00:38:07.950 --> 00:38:17.370 Tommy D: Do don't understand how many people just started listening to this show so many so many more people are listening to the show, and they don't it looks like i'm checking in they don't care about animals.

00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:19.200 Tommy D: A whole bunch more.

00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:20.970 Tommy D: All these new fans.

00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:24.300 Valerie Heffron: I like the idea.

00:38:24.330 --> 00:38:29.220 Valerie Heffron: of penalties, however, I also think that um.

00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:44.430 Valerie Heffron: I think that there are some people they have larger than life hearts and they hurt for the animals because you have to realize all of these rescues they don't operate alone, you know they have supporters, they have volunteers and.

00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.580 Valerie Heffron: They will the people who get involved.

00:38:47.910 --> 00:38:58.950 Valerie Heffron: There they want to save the animals, so they might go into a place that has horrific conditions and everything and they're like i've got to get this dog out, it still needs to get a walk you know what I mean but.

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:09.900 Valerie Heffron: I don't know it's hard, but I will say this and i'm a big proponent of this one of the red flags, I mean you have to treat this like any other business okay what's the right place to look for if you're going to rescue an animal.

00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:21.870 Valerie Heffron: Transparency okay demeanor and attitude, how do they feel your questions if you ask them a question and say hi i'm interested in adopting a dog, can you please tell me where your dogs come from and they go.

00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.390 Valerie Heffron: What are you talking about what we only like they get defensive kind of like the pet store lie yes.

00:39:27.570 --> 00:39:41.310 Valerie Heffron: Oh, we only source from the most reputable people Okay, where, and if they don't want to tell you that becomes a problem then it's a problem, probably if they don't allow for people if they have a physical location, but it's close to the public.

00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:52.350 Valerie Heffron: that's a problem if you want to think of what to look for what's flip to the positive side let's talk about one of our honorees this year Regina Mendoza of campaign details.

00:39:52.800 --> 00:40:04.440 Valerie Heffron: She has the highest standards of care She invites people to come and volunteer there, she has four servers out of our own House only that's the only place that her dogs are.

00:40:04.680 --> 00:40:19.350 Valerie Heffron: These dogs are out for hours a day, four times a day they get treats on their pillow when they come back from their exercise they get high quality food essential oils she's a dog with wheels, and he goes to offer therapy.

00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:30.660 Valerie Heffron: once a week okay so let's say i'm want to adopt a dog i'm going to go there, because I want to support a rescue that is treating their animals really well.

00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.660 Donna Fiorelli: I think it makes a lot of sense, I think, New York should have.

00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:39.990 Donna Fiorelli: A qualified rescue list.

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:50.370 Donna Fiorelli: I think that if somebody who's got no listen, a lot of these organizations, I mean I could talk to you about the humane society, I could talk about aspca I truly think and these organizations didn't start yesterday.

00:40:50.880 --> 00:41:03.480 Donna Fiorelli: The humane society started in 1954 I mean these groups have been around the aspca 1866 I mean this is all in how established a lot of these institutions are but.

00:41:04.050 --> 00:41:15.270 Donna Fiorelli: But, but here I am Okay, and I know all this because I looked it up Okay, but I listen I walked into petco one day Okay, and it was adopted dog day and that's where I saw Ali.

00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:27.570 Donna Fiorelli: And now, now that i'm going to be honest, I assumed, it was petco it wasn't you know some run of the mill somebody wasn't didn't have a box on the corner of puppies grab it wasn't like that you know wasn't a.

00:41:28.020 --> 00:41:40.230 Donna Fiorelli: situation and I add in when I was growing up in Staten island at the time, my father went would go to the shelter and whoever the next door got that was going to be euthanized whoever was that was a dog he took home.

00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:48.150 Donna Fiorelli: yeah and that that's how we that's how we came across Fonzie don't even ask me how we we named that gas, I was, I was 10.

00:41:48.540 --> 00:41:57.480 Donna Fiorelli: my sister was six and my father looks at the two girls and says okay one you girls can name the dog and one could could take care of the dog, and I was a 10 year old, so I go i'm taking care of the dog.

00:41:57.930 --> 00:42:04.830 Donna Fiorelli: I know it's a 1977 and my father says all right priscilla my younger sister, what do you want to name the dog Fonzie.

00:42:06.270 --> 00:42:07.800 Donna Fiorelli: 1977 but.

00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:19.950 Valerie Heffron: So, but that's the that's I love that your your dad was like you know who's in jeopardy, you know what I mean but.

00:42:19.950 --> 00:42:20.490 Tommy D: yeah it's like.

00:42:21.090 --> 00:42:24.570 Tommy D: he's like the governor coming in at the last moment, you know before.

00:42:25.140 --> 00:42:29.970 Tommy D: The animals, the Chair it's getting important why I love you dad is.

00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.440 Tommy D: Still around or no.

00:42:31.590 --> 00:42:34.080 Donna Fiorelli: Now now he's doing much better things and we all are here.

00:42:36.210 --> 00:42:36.870 Donna Fiorelli: Get out of here.

00:42:37.230 --> 00:42:39.000 Tommy D: definitely wanted a good place for sure.

00:42:39.150 --> 00:42:48.060 Valerie Heffron: And Donna, you know just getting back to the shelter thing for one second you know, one of one of the biggest bones of contention no pun intended there but.

00:42:48.360 --> 00:43:04.320 Valerie Heffron: One of the biggest problems that rescues have with let's say the nyc agency is that they'll commit they'll say we're going to pull this dog this dog is on your kill list we want him or her, and they'll kill it anyway.

00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:14.610 Valerie Heffron: I mean it's abominable it is abominable when that happens, I was involved with with that with another dog from Hampstead his name is Brock I will never forget this dog, as long as I live.

00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:29.460 Valerie Heffron: We have this dog was in the shelter for over two years and we had a rescue who stepped up and said we'll take them they went through all the hurdles they got town attorneys approval and two days later, when they were supposed to pick it up, they killed them.

00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:38.640 Tommy D: This is just it is just like sadistic shitty people is that, like what it boils down to Val.

00:43:39.180 --> 00:43:48.660 Valerie Heffron: um, it is a I believe that was retaliatory I really do believe that that was a retaliation kill, in my humble opinion, because.

00:43:49.050 --> 00:44:02.040 Valerie Heffron: We were like raising we were putting someone's feet, to the fire at the time she was the supervisor of the time hamster he campaigned on the animals I helped her win that election and then she.

00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:13.320 Valerie Heffron: Really screwed everybody over, especially the animals, so when we got that commitment, we were all high five and we were so happy we were thrilled and then two days later, that was fine.

00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:15.930 Tommy D: All right, we, we do have to take a quick break again.

00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:25.470 Tommy D: I do have a question I want to ask you, both as we go to break that you can think about when come back and maybe it'll be something we'll talk about, but it is probably a topic, we need to discuss on the show in more detail.

00:44:25.740 --> 00:44:29.610 Tommy D: What did you want to say Sandra Valdez, thank you for private message me those these pictures.

00:44:29.910 --> 00:44:44.070 Tommy D: i'm good at a lot of things Facebook is not one of them, so now we'll have to figure out how to get these pictures that tend to send to me on the thing, but I will say you know just just this week, tragically, a horse name rider in.

00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.540 Valerie Heffron: New York City yeah.

00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:55.500 Tommy D: i'm fell down i'm not even going to speak about the fact that how the the the jockey did not the jockey but the driver of the carriage then decided to whip and hit the.

00:44:56.370 --> 00:45:02.760 Tommy D: Animal but what I am going to just talk about is now, there was a protest, yesterday I was on my way to.

00:45:03.180 --> 00:45:10.200 Tommy D: Pennsylvania, so I did not stop in New York City to go to this protest, but I was like man Tommy D, this is the kind of stuff were supposed to be at you know.

00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:18.960 Tommy D: A year ago I wouldn't have even realized, they said it on the radio right so as i'm listening to the radio 1010 wins, they said that yesterday, so I do want to.

00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:26.460 Tommy D: Talk about that, because you know there's an article here with Peta there's you know, certainly other agencies involved, but i'm.

00:45:27.270 --> 00:45:37.830 Tommy D: A cute romantic ride around the park, you know can happen in other ways and they're talking about putting some carriage in place of the animal, so now.

00:45:38.520 --> 00:45:42.600 Tommy D: To, whatever your knowledge bases and this shows all about learning so if you don't know a whole bunch about it, we.

00:45:43.530 --> 00:45:46.980 Tommy D: will talk a little bit about it, and then we should probably get somebody who does know a bunch about it.

00:45:47.220 --> 00:45:52.950 Tommy D: So donna's here balancing your Tommy is here, this is professionals and animal lovers show will be back to bring the show to a close.

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00:48:03.810 --> 00:48:06.270 Valerie Heffron: I just want to say my phone is blowing.

00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.000 Tommy D: yeah is it what hold that thought.

00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:21.750 Tommy D: Leave lock the doors keep your kids outside because it's potty mouth on the professionals and animal lovers show we said, the S word three times, not once not twice, but three times and i'm feeling finicky and I might do it one more time before we close the show.

00:48:22.140 --> 00:48:27.300 Tommy D: about why is your phone blowing up because mine is and i'm texting and like private messaging Facebook.

00:48:27.510 --> 00:48:28.410 Valerie Heffron: status yeah.

00:48:29.370 --> 00:48:30.540 Tommy D: Sandra God.

00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:42.120 Valerie Heffron: This is very important Okay, and I hope Sandra you're listening and everyone else, because I know I know firsthand how incredibly long it takes how frustrating, it is.

00:48:42.810 --> 00:48:47.190 Valerie Heffron: When when you know that things are going wrong within the world of.

00:48:47.730 --> 00:48:58.170 Valerie Heffron: Animal rescue and welfare, and you have the evidence that you're bringing it to light and you're reporting into the authorities, and you have your proof lock, stock and barrel, however.

00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:12.870 Valerie Heffron: We cannot share something until it is also validated and what I mean by that is that there's no question, so it can't be a photo of assigned because we have no idea exactly when I was taken, or what that means.

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:31.290 Valerie Heffron: We need a link to an article, we need a news stream link, you know breaking news, you know, whatever it is i'm really sorry guys I get it Okay, I would like to pull the hood back to you guys know me okay I don't protect animal abusers or or anyone who profit.

00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.970 Tommy D: I love I love how like smart and conservative and thoughtful your being and I don't mean.

00:49:36.540 --> 00:49:36.960 Valerie Heffron: To me.

00:49:37.080 --> 00:49:40.470 Tommy D: know but I love it I wouldn't I would probably just be shorter pitches man.

00:49:40.560 --> 00:49:41.160 Valerie Heffron: shorter period.

00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:46.110 Tommy D: See that's why we, we certainly are the we Union Yang right.

00:49:46.740 --> 00:49:48.090 Valerie Heffron: My lawyers here and i'm pretty.

00:49:48.090 --> 00:49:48.330 sure.

00:49:50.640 --> 00:49:51.030 Donna Fiorelli: allowed it.

00:49:51.540 --> 00:49:52.290 Tommy D: would not have a lot.

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.000 Tommy D: We will not allow it, thank you counselor.

00:49:54.780 --> 00:50:01.890 Valerie Heffron: So let's get back to Donna Donna were there other things that you wanted to bring flat, I know I can't believe what time it is, but what do you got it.

00:50:01.950 --> 00:50:12.240 Donna Fiorelli: Well, you know I gotta tell you two things, first I want to go over that the 14 year old horse I did a quick review like do a quick search on so if anybody doesn't know the story about the New York City carriage horse.

00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:27.300 Donna Fiorelli: Is a 14 year old horse named writer who had fallen down, just like with Tommy had said the dog couldn't get the dog the horse couldn't get up at a busy for over an hour you're under was whipping it to get up the police were spraying with water to for it to.

00:50:27.870 --> 00:50:31.350 Donna Fiorelli: You know, get up they eventually got the horse up and to event.

00:50:31.830 --> 00:50:39.900 Donna Fiorelli: That was did diagnose this horse, with a particular form of encephalitis it's like a for the horse to have a brain swelling.

00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:49.320 Donna Fiorelli: The horse is on the mend for anyone who is listening to what had happened to this horse, so the horse did survive the horse was definitely noted, to be emaciated and import health.

00:50:49.710 --> 00:50:51.810 Donna Fiorelli: But at the same time, New York City.

00:50:52.020 --> 00:50:57.270 Donna Fiorelli: will defend its rules and regulations, because now you're not dealing with a companion animal.

00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.860 Donna Fiorelli: you're dealing with a work.

00:50:59.040 --> 00:50:59.670 horse.

00:51:01.560 --> 00:51:13.050 Tommy D: your feelings, said to me, he hated excuse me, you said, the horse is freakin emaciated it's caught out it's obviously dehydrated it's not giving enough water, so you know what if that's your property dummies.

00:51:13.410 --> 00:51:22.200 Tommy D: If I sound like my seven year old if that's your property like, why are you not taking better care of it if you're going to put it out there and then now let's change the subject.

00:51:22.290 --> 00:51:25.110 Tommy D: it's not it's an animal valve it's out.

00:51:25.140 --> 00:51:26.280 Valerie Heffron: No, but I just finished.

00:51:26.370 --> 00:51:29.970 Tommy D: Let me just finish my thought it's an animal rhinoceros property.

00:51:30.060 --> 00:51:35.040 Tommy D: So now it's a human, excuse me it's a living being, and you're not taking care of a living being.

00:51:35.220 --> 00:51:37.380 Tommy D: This is wrong, you know what go.

00:51:38.490 --> 00:51:39.840 Valerie Heffron: explode sorry.

00:51:39.930 --> 00:51:43.560 Valerie Heffron: to explode empty and beautiful creature intelligence.

00:51:43.830 --> 00:51:49.620 Valerie Heffron: And you have to realize when we say that animal welfare is 100% political That is because it is true.

00:51:50.490 --> 00:52:03.000 Valerie Heffron: mayor de blasio he campaigned on this very issue he vowed to eliminate and end the the cruel and often neglectful and abusive carriage horse.

00:52:03.870 --> 00:52:16.290 Valerie Heffron: carriage horses in New York City okay he's another one who broke campaign promises and now he's gone, but this issue is still very much in need of support, because these animals are not treated well they're not treat they're not.

00:52:16.590 --> 00:52:31.740 Valerie Heffron: They break down from heat exhaustion like you said they're male nurse there may she is they're overworked and let's be honest, I mean this is an antiquated kind of tradition, I mean so was you know what was an antiquated tradition to greyhound racing.

00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:48.360 Valerie Heffron: And do arda they limit any that to when they finally all realize hey, this is an abusive industry, so I don't know it makes me crazy but um you know, all I know, is this people like you whoever's listening Okay, and our good friend on in here is a prime example.

00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:59.760 Valerie Heffron: Okay she's an animal lover she wants to get more involved with animal advocacy so that we can make the world a better place for animals we need you, we need all of you that's my field.

00:53:00.750 --> 00:53:05.490 Donna Fiorelli: yeah I you know I do want to say for people that are starting out like me like.

00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.200 Donna Fiorelli: How do you get involved, what do you do, how do you learn go back to basics.

00:53:10.470 --> 00:53:18.120 Donna Fiorelli: Go to the humane society's website what an incredible website, it talks about what it is what it does what his mission is.

00:53:18.330 --> 00:53:29.400 Donna Fiorelli: I can learn off we don't have time a huge laundry list of things that they do, and then, more importantly, rather than preaching from the pulpit This is where all for animal welfare okay well how do you do that.

00:53:29.640 --> 00:53:30.780 Donna Fiorelli: yeah, how do you do it.

00:53:31.080 --> 00:53:36.180 Donna Fiorelli: So i'm tinkering around on the website i'm gonna be honest with you in preparation for today, I was playing around.

00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:36.810 Valerie Heffron: Okay yeah.

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.860 Donna Fiorelli: And it had to do with seven ways, you can stop puppy mills.

00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:41.400 Valerie Heffron: yeah.

00:53:41.430 --> 00:53:52.140 Donna Fiorelli: i'm like wow check this out not only the telling us what is a puppy mill, why is it bed Where do they come from, why is there such a market, how do we stop such a market and and i'm talking about.

00:53:52.770 --> 00:53:58.920 Donna Fiorelli: It again this website covers everything from dogs to Castle companion type of pets horses.

00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:09.810 Donna Fiorelli: Chickens it goes on and on, because, again, it talks about country why, but here we are in long island seven ways, you can start puppy mills useful items number one.

00:54:10.470 --> 00:54:20.640 Donna Fiorelli: help make retail pet stores puppy friendly walk into your petco walk into your local stores it actually has links that you can click on and it gives you.

00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:30.420 Donna Fiorelli: A written scenario on how to do that number to be an advocate they have advocacy guides how did you navigate number three contact your legislators.

00:54:30.450 --> 00:54:39.300 Donna Fiorelli: Number four write letters to the editor it's giving you samples number five print in post flyers that hey look It all starts with awareness and you know.

00:54:39.540 --> 00:54:48.600 Tommy D: it's there for you it's there for the person whether it's you or me or even Valerie to go back as a refresher and I know values can say I don't know it all, and yes of course we don't.

00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:57.840 Tommy D: But you know more than some, but you know what it's not like you have to go and rewrite it it's they're empowering people to go do the thing, so what is that website shouted out for.

00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.000 Donna Fiorelli: You okay on that is the.

00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:06.360 Donna Fiorelli: Humane that I guess forward slash resources.

00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:09.240 Tommy D: i'm sure my college is putting that on Facebook, right now, and if he wanted.

00:55:10.140 --> 00:55:10.710 Donna Fiorelli: me to.

00:55:11.070 --> 00:55:12.480 Tommy D: die so.

00:55:12.720 --> 00:55:16.560 Tommy D: Donna Donna invalid gotta interrupt here because we're out of time and here's what.

00:55:16.830 --> 00:55:23.220 Tommy D: To do Donna, you are an incredible asset to this team you're an incredible asset to what we're working on here, we appreciate.

00:55:23.220 --> 00:55:27.540 Tommy D: You tell the folks what you do professionally and how they get in touch with you, please.

00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:35.160 Donna Fiorelli: Well, thanks again for allowing me to come here today, I mean this is like the real passion, this is what really makes you know what I do complete.

00:55:35.550 --> 00:55:46.500 Donna Fiorelli: Okay, by trade i'm an attorney and I practice in the areas of bankruptcy and foreclosure Defense I represent individuals small business owners who are looking to reorganize or eliminate debt.

00:55:47.010 --> 00:55:57.720 Donna Fiorelli: I have extensive background in mortgage banking and finance and because of that I have become very helpful to Homeowners who are looking to retain assets, whether it be their home.

00:55:58.230 --> 00:56:13.410 Donna Fiorelli: Or, as well as other assets in the event that they have to eliminate and we organized it in State Court in Federal Court I conduct a free initial interviews of free initial consultations, where I conduct an interview, and we discuss exactly what that particular clients.

00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.270 Tommy D: get to you how do they get to you.

00:56:15.540 --> 00:56:17.520 Tommy D: Know you're going to get to you though we're running out of time.

00:56:18.210 --> 00:56:28.410 Donna Fiorelli: i'll just shut up my phone numbers 516-783-1950 I have an office in cold place New York and it's the law offices have done it and theoretically PC.

00:56:28.830 --> 00:56:34.740 Tommy D: Now if listen folks if you want to if you're going to explore bankruptcy, whether it's your business bankruptcy your individual bankruptcy.

00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:47.970 Tommy D: Why the heck wouldn't you speak to somebody who spent an hour talking to us about animal advocacy get it together focused on is our friend don as an advocate don is an asset to this project that Valerie and Iraq fell say something for the folks before I do.

00:56:48.600 --> 00:57:01.830 Valerie Heffron: Donna, is also one of our cherished beloved sponsors for the inaugural compassion awards, and if you are an animal lover and you are not there, you will never understand what you're missing.

00:57:02.070 --> 00:57:03.210 Tommy D: So when is about.

00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:14.580 Valerie Heffron: it's October 11 at the refuge and you can find your tickets at Pal dash show COM that's P amp l hyphen

00:57:14.730 --> 00:57:20.790 Tommy D: love that word hyphen pow hyphen don't spell out H y pH D n dash.

00:57:21.270 --> 00:57:32.100 Tommy D: i'm your boy Tony the nonprofit sector connected that's Valerie my favorite advocate and donoughue rally were to leave you with some famous words that we end every single episode of the show.

00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:45.090 Tommy D: In its total commitment to non violence Gandhi always included the animals by stating the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way, it's animals are treated.

00:57:46.020 --> 00:57:48.000 Tommy D: amen everybody making.

00:57:50.250 --> 00:57:50.670 Sam Liebowitz: me.

00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.050 Donna Fiorelli: Oh, I hope, it was helpful I hope was.

00:57:59.070 --> 00:57:59.400 Valerie Heffron: Very.

00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:03.330 Donna Fiorelli: try not to you know I don't like really basic but the on learning this stuff.

00:58:03.330 --> 00:58:04.890 Donna Fiorelli: So you guys are like years ahead of me.

00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:05.970 Valerie Heffron: You needed to add.

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