The Edge of Everyday

Monday, August 1, 2022
Facebook Live Video from 2022/08/01 - On The Same Journey with Kumara

Facebook Live Video from 2022/08/01 - On The Same Journey with Kumara


2022/08/01 - On The Same Journey with Kumara

[New Episode] On The Same Journey with Kumara


We'll discuss the power of storytelling through music. We'll talk about how the transformative power of music to heal has served and shaped these three artists, through their own challenges. We'll hear the story about how they came together to form KUMARA, what they've been learning from each other, and how they plan to share their healing musical creations with the world.

Guests: Shem Guibbory, Samite Mulondo and Sean Harkness


Once upon a time, an African musician, a Classical musician, and a New York City session musician got together to see what would happen. From note one they found there was a certain magic, an inner harmony to the music they discovered together. 

Kumara was thus formed to perform original, transcendent compositions - compositions that have a powerful appeal to our shared humanity. Each member of the triad brings decades of creative, professional, and life experience to the table. They are united by an understanding that there is an immediate, universal need to perform music that can help people experience emotional and spiritual transformation. 

Kumara performs at The Plum @TH2 on August 20th at 5pm ET

Follow us at @theplumatth2live

Tune in for this edgy conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Sandra starts the show by explaining the purpose of the Edge of Everyday, which is to explore our rough edges. She then introduces her guests, Shem Guibbory, Samite Mulondo and Sean Harkness, who are a part of Kumara. Sandra then talks about how she met them. Sean talks about how his fascination with Glenn Campbell led to his career in music. Shem talks about growing up in a family where everyone played the violin.

Segment 2

Sandra talks about playing the violin as a kid as a way to connect with her father. Samite talks about learning about the traditional wooden flute from his grandfather and then playing the western flute in high school which led to his music career. Shem talks about meeting Sean through working on a theatrical piece. Samite talks about how Sean introduced him to Shem and how the three of them started playing music together. Shem talks about the origin of the name Kumara. Samite talks about discovering the healing power of music while shooting a documentary about refugees in Libera. Sean talks about his own healing through music.

Segment 3

Shem talks about his own understanding of the healing power of music and all three guests reflect on their experiences playing music together. Samite talks about what he has learned from the other two men. Shem talks about his experience during COVID which took him in new directions in his music career.

Segment 4

Sean speaks about his growth in authenticity within his music. He also talks about how the friendship between the three men translates into the music and makes it more sacred. Shem talks about discovering that he has good musical instincts. Sean talks about people enjoying music that they know and the importance of making new music feel familiar. Samite talks about practicing counting in music for the first time ever through his work with Kumara. Kumara can be found at


00:00:28.230 --> 00:00:35.520 Welcome everyone i'm Sandra bartman a few years ago I wrote and performed a solo show called the edge of every day.

00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:41.610 which was an exploration of the rough edges and contradictions, we all face grapple with.

00:00:42.570 --> 00:01:00.750 The show hit a nerve and the relevant topic would only grow over time, more than I could have foreseen So here we are real talk with real people sharing stories and perspectives that are talking in invitations to leap out of what to say on the edge.

00:01:02.310 --> 00:01:03.300 Thanks for listening.

00:01:04.740 --> 00:01:09.750 Sandra Bargman: You know man Hello everyone, we are live in the hi.

00:01:10.650 --> 00:01:20.910 Sandra Bargman: Thank you for joining me on this, the 37th episode of the edge of every day here on talk radio dot nyc For those of you.

00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:38.430 Sandra Bargman: For those of you who are tuning in for the first time and for those of you who don't know me yet I encourage you to check out my bio on talk radio dot nyc or, of course, you can visit my website.

00:01:39.870 --> 00:01:40.530 Sandra Bargman: calm.

00:01:41.700 --> 00:01:49.560 Sandra Bargman: And please tune into any of my previous episodes with my inspiring guests, as all my loyal listeners know.

00:01:50.340 --> 00:01:56.700 Sandra Bargman: This show is about celebrating triumphs pushing boundaries and exploring rough edges.

00:01:57.330 --> 00:02:05.760 Sandra Bargman: Through conversations and shared stories with friends and colleagues it's my hope that we can begin to understand our edges.

00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:13.890 Sandra Bargman: And what I mean by edges is those places where we are fearful those places where we are resistant to change.

00:02:14.310 --> 00:02:24.420 Sandra Bargman: those places where paradoxes and contradictions live in our beliefs and in our understandings both about ourselves and the world around us.

00:02:24.990 --> 00:02:27.330 Sandra Bargman: those places where we don't want to look.

00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:42.150 Sandra Bargman: Listen, we live in turbulent times and we are coming to understand that life simply isn't black or white, it must be an embrace of both, and the more we recognize our own edges and get real about them.

00:02:42.690 --> 00:02:52.350 Sandra Bargman: The more we can help others to do the same, and that I fully believe can help to change the world so thanks again for tuning in.

00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:58.770 Sandra Bargman: And without further ado, it is time to introduce our guests this evening.

00:03:00.270 --> 00:03:07.680 Sandra Bargman: Sammy today is a world renowned musician humanitarian photographer and horse lover.

00:03:08.310 --> 00:03:17.220 Sandra Bargman: born and raised in Uganda summited travels the world bringing his message of peace and hope, through the healing power of music.

00:03:18.090 --> 00:03:30.600 Sandra Bargman: cemetery is the subject of the documentary song of the refugee distributed by PBS in 1998 it was while filming this that Sammy taste work as a humanitarian began.

00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:46.770 Sandra Bargman: In 2002 He founded musicians for world harmony an organization dedicated to enabling musicians throughout the world to share their music to promote peace, understanding and harmony among people.

00:03:47.370 --> 00:03:56.700 Sandra Bargman: In that capacity, he travels to sing play music and exchange stories with victims of war, poverty and HIV, AIDS.

00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:09.810 Sandra Bargman: He performed his arrangement of the traditional baganda song on the audio for the Dalai Lama in 2007 during bridging worlds with His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Ithaca New York.

00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:23.730 Sandra Bargman: And Summit a finished recording his 11th CD resilience and subsequently created a multimedia one man play of the same name based on his life work and journey.

00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:34.380 Sandra Bargman: in which he tells the story of his emergence from the nightmare of life under Amin and Milton about a to being a healer through the power of music.

00:04:35.790 --> 00:04:53.100 Sandra Bargman: Is song on the same journey was nominated for the Hollywood music in media awards hmm is the first award organization to honor original music song and score in all visual media from around the globe.

00:04:55.080 --> 00:05:03.210 Sandra Bargman: Internationally acclaimed violinist sham gabor he is an award winning soloist and Chamber musician.

00:05:03.780 --> 00:05:17.340 Sandra Bargman: Since 1992 Mr gabor he has been a member of the first file in section of the metropolitan opera orchestra and has appeared a soloist with the New York Philharmonic.

00:05:17.760 --> 00:05:24.690 Sandra Bargman: The Beethoven hollow Orchestra, the Kansas city symphony and the symphony of the new world.

00:05:25.410 --> 00:05:33.360 Sandra Bargman: He was the original violinist in the Steve rice ensemble and has performed throughout the US, Canada and Europe.

00:05:34.020 --> 00:05:46.110 Sandra Bargman: Long hailed for his interpretations of 20th century music is recording a violin phase on ECM label has become an American classic of avant garde music.

00:05:46.890 --> 00:06:02.280 Sandra Bargman: master teacher director and coach He founded innovative music programs in 2002 and has developed a series of imaginative musical programs with performers, composers and visual artists.

00:06:02.700 --> 00:06:12.480 Sandra Bargman: These programs reflect his work developing an expressive performance language derived from the intrinsic unity of the arts.

00:06:14.490 --> 00:06:30.180 Sandra Bargman: guitarist Sean harkness is in high demand as a performer composer on solo guitar and accompanies an astonishing array of world class vocalists musicians and ensembles.

00:06:30.750 --> 00:06:51.870 Sandra Bargman: sean's multiple awards include MAC bistro and broadway awards Sean represents Walden guitars and Dr strings and has many commercial releases as an artist on windham hill records BMG RCA Sony.

00:06:52.380 --> 00:07:01.620 Sandra Bargman: and others Sean has an active international touring schedule, most recently, including Africa, the Caribbean and Japan.

00:07:02.010 --> 00:07:23.880 Sandra Bargman: Of concerts clubs festivals corporate events and intimate private home salons or fundraisers a musician's musician of exceptional versatility Sean is often requested to teach guitar master classes and music workshops hello, and welcome.

00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:25.710 Sean Harkness: Hello.

00:07:26.190 --> 00:07:31.230 Sandra Bargman: Hello Hello it's wonderful wonderful meeting all of you, having you all on.

00:07:31.710 --> 00:07:32.100 Thank you.

00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:36.720 Sandra Bargman: Well, I like to start this out with.

00:07:37.860 --> 00:07:38.910 Sandra Bargman: A nice long.

00:07:40.230 --> 00:07:51.060 Sandra Bargman: Bio CV reading because, unfortunately, an hour flies by so I like to give a lot on all of my guests, because we're only going to be able to touch on some of these things.

00:07:51.600 --> 00:08:01.080 Sandra Bargman: Certainly in tomorrow being our focus for the evening, but I also like to tell my listeners how I know how I bring my guests on.

00:08:01.440 --> 00:08:15.210 Sandra Bargman: And so I have to start with Mr Sean harkness who I know through the cabaret world in New York City and I, I met you I, I know that I knew of you, but i'm positive I knew, by the time you did.

00:08:15.960 --> 00:08:31.260 Sandra Bargman: With Ian Herman, who is the musical director on the edge of every day, the original solo show and I composed a few songs for that you did your duets at subculture and I was in that audience.

00:08:31.890 --> 00:08:39.630 Sean Harkness: Sure did yeah he is a brilliant musician even more brilliant human I haven't seen you in forever that's right I forgot that's how we met.

00:08:39.660 --> 00:08:42.630 Sandra Bargman: yeah and shout out to you in Herman and.

00:08:42.960 --> 00:09:00.300 Sandra Bargman: compositions were extraordinary and unusual and speak to the entire evening that we're going to have here, bringing a guitarist with a piano player on original compositions Hello outside the box pushing the boundaries, so I met these wonderful gentleman through you.

00:09:02.130 --> 00:09:11.280 Sandra Bargman: When we when I bumped into you, and can you just show and told you about the plum on my property up in the catskill mountains.

00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:22.080 Sean Harkness: I just so love the idea of what you guys have cooking up there that i've always loved doing house concert, so I think there's some you to do some of that as well right house concerts.

00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:25.500 Samite Mulondo: i've actually only done one in New York City.

00:09:26.130 --> 00:09:29.100 Sean Harkness: Okay okay how about you, I know.

00:09:29.370 --> 00:09:31.380 Shem Guibbory: yeah i've done i've done a bunch.

00:09:31.800 --> 00:09:35.580 Sean Harkness: yeah I know you've got a specific thing that we'll get to later the box and.

00:09:36.690 --> 00:09:45.030 Sandra Bargman: You feel free to tell stories yeah it's great house concerts are great i'm new to them, but i'm i'm combining them with them a salon sort of feeling.

00:09:45.210 --> 00:09:48.720 Sean Harkness: Good so you actually created a venue where people feel good.

00:09:48.930 --> 00:09:50.160 Sandra Bargman: With a salon vibe.

00:09:50.550 --> 00:09:51.840 Sean Harkness: yeah I can't wait.

00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:52.410 Sandra Bargman: yeah.

00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:57.510 Sandra Bargman: yeah yeah and we'll get to that at the end when we start plugging for that show, I want to dive in.

00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:05.220 Sandra Bargman: i'm going to weave in some of your the three of you have quotes on your website, under your bios and i'm going to start with you Sean.

00:10:06.780 --> 00:10:13.110 Sandra Bargman: One of the things that sets me, apart from other guitarists and yc is that I work with so many different people from theatre.

00:10:13.410 --> 00:10:33.390 Sandra Bargman: Queens to blues artists movie stars to folk singers broadway divas to jess knobs and everything else on the spectrum that love that most people find a niche and work it if I have a niche it is as the guy who can bring anything to life with heart and authenticity.

00:10:34.590 --> 00:10:42.930 Sandra Bargman: I think everyone who knows you would agree with that completely and utterly so so in it speaks of your embrace of diversity and your.

00:10:43.410 --> 00:10:51.420 Sandra Bargman: compelling musical curiosity tell me how did you and i'm going to ask all three of you to weigh in on this, how did you though sean's.

00:10:51.990 --> 00:11:02.550 Sandra Bargman: How did all three of you come to your instruments, how did they playing your instruments, how did they speak to you how did they change you how did they set you on this path.

00:11:05.790 --> 00:11:06.480 Sean Harkness: beginning.

00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.440 Sean Harkness: Today yeah.

00:11:07.710 --> 00:11:19.080 Sean Harkness: Okay, well, I was just a little kid I didn't know any better, you know, and it was it was all about Glen Campbell honestly I saw him on TV that's just it really spoke to me.

00:11:20.130 --> 00:11:21.060 Sean Harkness: And it's it's.

00:11:22.710 --> 00:11:41.850 Sean Harkness: Not ironic it's coincidental that years later I discovered that he was not only a solo artist, but he was also in the wrecking crew and responsible for playing with all of the stars of that day all the stuff that you'd hear on both am and FM radio, remember that.

00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:49.320 Sean Harkness: You know, he was part of that band that played with everybody watch the documentary about them if you don't know what i'm talking about.

00:11:49.950 --> 00:11:53.880 Sean Harkness: And when I was a little kid at 11 years old, I had a teacher.

00:11:54.660 --> 00:12:02.820 Sean Harkness: Who basically encouraged me just said hey listen to this, you know he's telling my parents in front of me well i'm just watching them talk back and forth.

00:12:03.330 --> 00:12:18.960 Sean Harkness: If he learns as chords and scales and arpeggios and develops good reading skills and becomes conversant in a bunch of different styles of music he could be a working musician so I just did all that stuff and like six months later, I had a steady gig at 11 you know.

00:12:19.530 --> 00:12:27.240 Sean Harkness: i've been doing that ever since and it sounds like a really cool thing to be able to say, but fast forward 40 years, and you know.

00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:39.270 Sean Harkness: I meet somebody in the airport with a guitar case on my back and they strike up a conversation and say what kind of music, do you play deer in the headlights I will why don't you just tell me what kind of music you like you know.

00:12:40.650 --> 00:12:47.400 Sean Harkness: Because i'm still doing that same thing that I learned to do when I was 11 play with anybody, you know so um.

00:12:48.180 --> 00:13:05.790 Sean Harkness: that's that's kind of what I do and I love I just I love playing songs I love playing instrumental music I compose I just my love is for just being in it and I seek out people that find me useful and these guys are the best so far.

00:13:08.520 --> 00:13:08.940 Sean Harkness: yeah.

00:13:09.270 --> 00:13:09.600 Shem Guibbory: me.

00:13:09.630 --> 00:13:10.980 Sandra Bargman: Why did you come to the violin.

00:13:11.340 --> 00:13:12.030 Shem Guibbory: Oh, my God.

00:13:12.270 --> 00:13:12.870 Sandra Bargman: Oh, my God.

00:13:12.990 --> 00:13:19.890 Shem Guibbory: um well I grew up in a family, where I was next to youngest on the bottom.

00:13:22.050 --> 00:13:30.630 Shem Guibbory: Four older brothers and a sister and everybody played violin my father was born in Odessa in a little Jewish shtetl.

00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:44.910 Shem Guibbory: Nowhere in 1899 and, in that, from that time period if you came to United States, of course, your children played the violin if you were from Odessa, of course, your children played the violin and he didn't but its children did.

00:13:45.630 --> 00:13:52.020 Shem Guibbory: So everybody older than me they played violin and one day there was this little.

00:13:52.770 --> 00:14:00.510 Shem Guibbory: I can see it, this it's about it was about this big little violin case with the hounds tooth checked cover and it's in the corner.

00:14:00.990 --> 00:14:16.500 Shem Guibbory: Now, like I knew this was for me, so I went over and I took it and I opened it up and they said, how do you know that's for you and that's where it started and my older brother, you know in was my first teacher, for a long time Oh, my goodness, so it was a little little crazy.

00:14:16.530 --> 00:14:17.400 Sandra Bargman: get all the fun.

00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:19.980 Sandra Bargman: become professionals, I mean it was it just.

00:14:20.220 --> 00:14:39.750 Shem Guibbory: know my older brother did and was he's retired now and my younger brother, Sir, is amazing pianist all through central New York teaches at Hamilton college and he's like he's ubiquitous when it comes to piano in central New York.

00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:47.730 Music and in specific the violin was in your DNA I love that story.

00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:59.550 Sandra Bargman: When we come back, we are going to get some eat His story on how he came to his instruments and we're also going to hear my violence story.

00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:04.710 Sandra Bargman: Come back with kumar.

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00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:49.170 Sandra Bargman: And we are back on the edge of every day with kumar shawn harkness schembri and Summit a so quickly my life changing edgy story about violin was with my dad I played the violin from six years old, because my father played the violin sham my God and I was, I was my mother's.

00:17:50.250 --> 00:18:06.780 way and not my father's and it was a way for me to bridge a communication with him because we struggled so much that way and it gave me a language doorway in, and I think there was a tiny bit of.

00:18:08.010 --> 00:18:15.090 A dream living his dream, because he would have loved to have been in your footsteps for his life work.

00:18:16.410 --> 00:18:19.410 Sandra Bargman: You know yeah it was very meaningful so somebody to.

00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:21.060 Tell us your story.

00:18:22.890 --> 00:18:25.290 Samite Mulondo: I think my story is that it with a.

00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:42.840 Samite Mulondo: me watching my grandfather play that would in traditional flute yes and him showing me how to make sounds out of it, it was difficult in the beginning, and then later on, I was introduced to a Western flute in the high school in my high school and I played in the orchestra.

00:18:44.190 --> 00:18:56.340 Samite Mulondo: So my my whole journey actually was mostly the flute, these are the instruments I play a few other instruments they came along, as I, you know, as I was growing yeah yeah how did, how did playing that how did.

00:18:56.580 --> 00:19:01.050 Sandra Bargman: And you performed a lot with it, yes, with your eyes.

00:19:01.530 --> 00:19:02.910 Samite Mulondo: Yes, and I still do.

00:19:03.510 --> 00:19:04.920 Sandra Bargman: I mean, as a young person.

00:19:05.490 --> 00:19:13.410 Samite Mulondo: As a young person, yes, I did play I was the you know the flute player in Kenya was known as the top flute player.

00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:32.490 Samite Mulondo: Until I came to the US, but i've also used the traditional would include something like this, yes to to perform in in places where people are distressed so the flute is is an easy instrument to carry along and it touches people really quickly so.

00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:43.200 Yes, that's beautiful, so you connected to that immediately I did yeah that sounds to me like all three of you connected to it pretty quickly.

00:19:44.760 --> 00:19:48.510 Sandra Bargman: Okay, so um i'm going to dive in I.

00:19:49.590 --> 00:19:51.060 i'm going to reach gems.

00:19:52.140 --> 00:20:00.810 Sandra Bargman: Wonderful quote from his bio and then but dive into komara and your relationship because i'm i'm overwhelmed by.

00:20:01.770 --> 00:20:11.730 Sandra Bargman: All three of you, everything that i've read on all three of you speaks to the the essence of a live performance and the communion.

00:20:12.300 --> 00:20:22.860 Sandra Bargman: Between the performer and the listener, and the instrument and the spirit of the instrument i've been very, which is why I asked you all.

00:20:23.250 --> 00:20:35.730 Sandra Bargman: about how you connected to your instruments so here's shims quote from his bio by nature and by choice I look for the commonality in all things musical and artistic in our culture.

00:20:36.270 --> 00:20:54.360 Sandra Bargman: And all cultures those things that tie us together as human beings are part of the driving force in my creative process, I believe that art has a potency, and that is as just as relevant to today's society as ever before.

00:20:55.740 --> 00:21:02.430 Sandra Bargman: lovely and so true so How did the three of you meet what's that story, the power of storytelling.

00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:06.090 Sandra Bargman: I should dive in.

00:21:06.210 --> 00:21:19.800 Shem Guibbory: Well, I think, either Sean or somebody takes you tell that story, but I first met Sean i'll start it out, I first met Sean back in somewhere around 2005 six 2007.

00:21:20.730 --> 00:21:32.280 Shem Guibbory: Because I was on the writer one of three writers, I did the music on a new theatrical show that had music from all sorts of different genres.

00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:45.900 Shem Guibbory: It was an original story of a young girl coming of age and leaving the nest through her own motive power, not through a love interest, and it was told through music and Sean was the guitarist on that show.

00:21:46.230 --> 00:21:53.850 Shem Guibbory: And it was just like amazing playing with him because he could it was so easy he could cover all the different genres including.

00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:08.760 Shem Guibbory: One of the conditions we had was a piece from the media in the medieval Arabic classical style, which would be 880 900 ad by the violinist and good player Simone shaheen.

00:22:09.390 --> 00:22:24.360 Shem Guibbory: which was written, for us, and he could do that he could he could play this 19th century romantic violin piece, which had guitar to it, I was like wow and then I don't know and then fast forward.

00:22:26.520 --> 00:22:29.280 Shem Guibbory: 12 years something like that, whatever and i'm like.

00:22:30.600 --> 00:22:33.270 Shem Guibbory: He had talked about playing at.

00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:38.430 Shem Guibbory: A couple of clubs with him and I wasn't didn't feel quite confident that I could do that and.

00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:54.420 Shem Guibbory: and carry my way because the type of improvisation, that I had done before was very abstract right the New York Philharmonic all those big orchestral soloist credits were with the violin concerto written for me by Anthony Davis, and it was mostly improvised.

00:22:55.590 --> 00:23:05.460 Shem Guibbory: There was a couple of little notes that he wrote up, I mean not a couple see he wrote some stuff but with all that and then Sean and I had tea in New York.

00:23:06.750 --> 00:23:08.400 Shem Guibbory: said I think i'm ready.

00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:19.950 Shem Guibbory: And he said well there's only one person that we're like can think of, who was could be perfect, and he introduced me to Sami K and then we sell me to, could you take it from there.

00:23:20.010 --> 00:23:20.550 yeah.

00:23:21.630 --> 00:23:22.470 Samite Mulondo: Oh, my goodness.

00:23:23.850 --> 00:23:24.210 Samite Mulondo: well.

00:23:25.260 --> 00:23:29.520 Samite Mulondo: same code we Sean called me and said, I want to introduce you to this amazing.

00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:48.120 Samite Mulondo: musician he plays the violin I think the three of us could make some magic and and I trust that was a little hesitant like thinking like classical violin player and then jazz and then where my kind of fit in with my traditional instruments.

00:23:49.290 --> 00:24:05.760 Samite Mulondo: And then, of course, when we got together it, it was magical it was magical and it was the first time I had gotten together with musicians real musicians after covered so it was like yeah it was like Oh, my goodness, was.

00:24:07.320 --> 00:24:12.870 Sandra Bargman: Heaven right yes Oh, this is what Andy von shout out to Andy vaughn said.

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:30.660 Sandra Bargman: i'm a longtime friend of sean's and spend time with them as they develop the music in a church near Syracuse they asked me to help document the process and it was a transcendent experience.

00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:41.880 Sandra Bargman: glorious and and of course that's a completely what the one little clip that I saw you guys was so deeply moving so.

00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:56.010 Sean Harkness: Both thanks to Andy we have a small mountain of video footage to put together with the audio recordings that we've made from that as well to create some more promotional materials and we'll be releasing that as it's ready.

00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:14.730 Sean Harkness: yeah and he was very helpful and he and a couple only a couple of other people photographers and friends who actually came into the room, while we were exploring and discovering this music ourselves had a very similar reaction to it, we had.

00:25:16.530 --> 00:25:22.260 Sean Harkness: He had actually fed us to see how they would respond and like Okay, this is working, this is.

00:25:23.130 --> 00:25:34.050 Sandra Bargman: Did you guys have an idea of what you wanted to create and then you know some sort of idea, and then a floater did you completely just allow it to emerge.

00:25:34.350 --> 00:25:36.030 Sean Harkness: As its own yes seeing.

00:25:37.290 --> 00:25:45.390 Sandra Bargman: That we asked about this, it was all that all that more yes, yes, well how did you come up with the name Camara.

00:25:48.540 --> 00:25:49.980 Sandra Bargman: which they share when.

00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:51.000 Samite Mulondo: I said that.

00:25:51.030 --> 00:25:55.830 Shem Guibbory: We were we were messing around with different.

00:25:57.090 --> 00:26:11.550 Shem Guibbory: syllables from ancient languages that combined the notion of divine feminine divine masculine divine child with the the reasoning behind it being that somehow.

00:26:12.150 --> 00:26:23.430 Shem Guibbory: If you are, as we are in a world that seems really out of balance between rise of the feminine right young yin child.

00:26:24.390 --> 00:26:40.170 Shem Guibbory: Right masculine feminine child right that restoring balance with something we felt that's what great music does right and that's what we wanted to do so, we played around, then I came across this.

00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:56.280 Shem Guibbory: book by trisha McKinnon which she was tracing and she wrote a bunch of books anyway in this book was a Sanskrit a definition from the scan Sanskrit that has the.

00:26:57.330 --> 00:27:10.770 Shem Guibbory: syllable coo or who is higher self ma is divine mother and raw is the father of light and when you combine them together somehow it adds up to be.

00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:24.420 Shem Guibbory: mother, father holy child story of the universe yeah right for us um and we we because it is a name that's also a personal name that people give and because.

00:27:24.840 --> 00:27:38.730 Shem Guibbory: we're not the only piece of people, I think, on the planet to recognize tomorrow we crafted it as Camara music COM so there's to distinguish that what we do is not trying to cocktail anybody else we're doing something that's very original.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:49.470 It very much speaks to me and the balance of course it's what I do in the edge of every day that was the concept of the original show and.

00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:58.110 Samite Mulondo: Subsequent podcast submitted when did you discover the healing power of music tell us that story um.

00:27:59.970 --> 00:28:03.330 Samite Mulondo: I think it's a really, really real.

00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:09.150 Samite Mulondo: The first time I really realized okay there's power here, I was in.

00:28:10.800 --> 00:28:21.330 Samite Mulondo: I was in Liberia, I was invited by a gentleman to go shoot a documentary called a song of the refugee, which was about me returning a refugee returning to Africa, and it was.

00:28:21.930 --> 00:28:30.480 Samite Mulondo: was in an IDP camp internally displaced persons camp and they're that young kids that seen so much suffering so much pain.

00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:42.480 Samite Mulondo: that they were not even blinking when they went flies went into their eyes, they were just like now, after seeing their parents being killed after seeing so much data around them.

00:28:43.170 --> 00:28:53.850 Samite Mulondo: And at first, I was hesitant I didn't know if I could even play, but then the director encouraged me to play flute and I played this would include and.

00:28:54.600 --> 00:29:01.500 Samite Mulondo: The moment I finished playing the flute the kids whose eyes were not forecast, they were pulling on my shirt saying.

00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:07.830 Samite Mulondo: Can I sing a song for you can I sing a song for you now and then soon the mothers in the same camp.

00:29:08.340 --> 00:29:19.230 Samite Mulondo: The mothers had the kids sing and the mothers came on to cover the whole show singing their own music and and then eventually even the guys came on joining the fathers, but.

00:29:19.890 --> 00:29:30.720 Samite Mulondo: But it was just that's when it happened that's when it happens that's when I realized wow just by playing flute I could get people to feel like they can sing again.

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:37.560 so beautiful, my goodness, well and and i'd love to hear.

00:29:38.730 --> 00:29:42.600 From you Sean when did you discover the power of healing power.

00:29:44.760 --> 00:30:00.210 Sean Harkness: Music has that been your modus operandi your whole life or did you have a definitive no well the healing power of music honestly is in the way that you're asking about it healing others is is.

00:30:00.270 --> 00:30:03.090 Sandra Bargman: Still, a process, as well as yourself absolutely.

00:30:03.300 --> 00:30:13.020 Sean Harkness: Well, the the healing the healing process of music as as it applies to other people is a new process and i'm discovering it largely with these gentleman's help.

00:30:14.040 --> 00:30:21.660 Sean Harkness: And some of the experiences that i've had in windham Hill, but for me it was my own healing I I didn't get into music to.

00:30:22.050 --> 00:30:28.290 Sean Harkness: You know, meet girls or be you know, one of the Beatles or something that was all before me, it for me.

00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:50.340 Sean Harkness: Music was somewhere, I could go, it was a safe space, I could hide my room and practice and just disappear into this vast musical world and and and it is so when I was asked, as a young person to perform as know it took a long time for me to come out of my Shell and.

00:30:51.690 --> 00:30:58.260 Sean Harkness: it's that's still awkward for me, a lot of times, except when it's in the arena like this.

00:30:58.650 --> 00:31:08.130 Sean Harkness: of having it be so honest and so real and have an audience it's open to the music, in that way and i'm playing with other people who are.

00:31:08.580 --> 00:31:15.990 Sean Harkness: comfortable with that, like saw me today and then i'm like Okay, I can play along with that so i'm still discovering.

00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:32.790 Sean Harkness: Questions that's absolutely glorious on that that so speaks to the power of finding your voice through music through the arts yeah for yourself absolutely beautiful well, we need to go to break.

00:31:32.850 --> 00:31:44.490 Sandra Bargman: And when we come back, I want to dig in further about about the music that you're creating with komara so folks listening in stay tuned on the edge of every day.

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00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:53.220 Sandra Bargman: And we are back on the edge of every day so i'm gonna start this round out with.

00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:14.640 Sandra Bargman: Sammy taste quote while performing I see that people are able to forget their differences and join as one in the moment my hope moment to last if we can make that moment last, the world will be a better place asha.

00:34:15.810 --> 00:34:20.820 Sandra Bargman: Yes, so sham we didn't get your before we dig dig in more to.

00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:23.550 Shem Guibbory: tomorrow's want to hear about how.

00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:26.550 Sandra Bargman: Your discovery, we will change around you.

00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:32.880 Shem Guibbory: yeah i'm more like in shawn's direction with that experience i've known.

00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.560 Shem Guibbory: i've had this notion that it could right, but I think.

00:34:37.830 --> 00:34:38.400 Sandra Bargman: All artists.

00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:39.210 Sandra Bargman: Right.

00:34:39.240 --> 00:34:47.070 Shem Guibbory: Like into an extent I know for a fact that, like, I have to lifelong friends who were.

00:34:48.030 --> 00:34:58.860 Shem Guibbory: Had positions in the medical community with lots of responsibility where people's lives were really on their shoulders and their decisions, day in and day out, and I met them.

00:34:59.700 --> 00:35:14.010 Shem Guibbory: At the metropolitan opera where they would come on weekends and sit through Friday night opera to operas on Saturday, and if there were any Sunday concerts they were there and that's how they restored.

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:24.720 Shem Guibbory: And this was at a time where the the theater was operating at an incredible brilliance where there was night after night 4000 people in the House.

00:35:26.100 --> 00:35:34.650 Shem Guibbory: You know, four or 500 people basically producing the show everyone like one we get there now too, sometimes, but this was this was.

00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:50.550 Shem Guibbory: This way before coven and I knew that these people were being touched by that right and I thought well that's cool but it always seemed to me elusive and it's taken me, you know I don't know this is like another.

00:35:51.570 --> 00:35:58.380 Shem Guibbory: 20 odd years to get to the point where, when i'm playing with Sean and Sammy to I feel like oh.

00:36:00.630 --> 00:36:01.890 that's the place.

00:36:03.390 --> 00:36:08.280 Shem Guibbory: Right that's the place it's a very quiet place.

00:36:09.750 --> 00:36:11.310 But it's very powerful.

00:36:13.350 --> 00:36:16.440 Shem Guibbory: And i've also come to.

00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.500 Shem Guibbory: Other understandings and I think this ties to the our long picture vision.

00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:37.980 Shem Guibbory: Which is that in that place, and this is my language, I mean you know Sammy take Sean they may express it differently, they may not agree with the way I say it, but I think we kind of feel something in common here that when you're in that zone.

00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:44.310 Shem Guibbory: And the music is playing you right you the ego the.

00:36:45.390 --> 00:36:57.780 Shem Guibbory: Practice trained musical athlete right disappears and the music flows that is predominantly yin energy.

00:36:59.550 --> 00:37:14.430 Shem Guibbory: With a balance of the masculine energy right and it may change but it's how the universe, is made up, mostly in and a portion of yeah and when we do that as music.

00:37:16.200 --> 00:37:30.180 Shem Guibbory: It intensifies and it has a sympathetic vibration in other human beings, hopefully they'd like to music, maybe they'll dance be fried maybe the laugh or whatever, but it does something beyond that.

00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:46.620 Shem Guibbory: And then, if you then take those performances and move them to let's just say a certain type of sacred place that maybe has been in existence for millennia, but for the last 2000 years it had a church on it.

00:37:47.370 --> 00:37:57.180 Shem Guibbory: Right or a retreat place or synagogue or I don't know if we'd be permitted a mosque or some other place that isn't anybody's.

00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:09.150 Shem Guibbory: brand and you put that music there and we touch into that source energy from the earth or divine on that location that's a power multiplier.

00:38:10.200 --> 00:38:24.960 Shem Guibbory: So the transformative ability of those vibrations becomes even more magnified individual people benefit totally when we go to a street corner in brooklyn or a subway on the far flung parts and.

00:38:25.470 --> 00:38:35.010 Shem Guibbory: play something magical happened there sacred wise totally, but there are many, many, many ways to frame this power.

00:38:36.120 --> 00:38:36.750 Shem Guibbory: And baby.

00:38:37.950 --> 00:38:39.450 Shem Guibbory: It will melt.

00:38:41.100 --> 00:38:41.880 The negative.

00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:44.040 It will.

00:38:46.890 --> 00:38:53.220 Shem Guibbory: gorgeous unstoppable maybe not in our lifetimes but that momentum girl but that's what.

00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:56.310 that's what seed planting is all about.

00:38:58.350 --> 00:39:03.420 Gentlemen, some attention would you care to add to that any thoughts on that.

00:39:05.040 --> 00:39:07.890 Samite Mulondo: I mean so so go ahead.

00:39:09.750 --> 00:39:22.290 Sean Harkness: Well, I wanted to comment, a sham you, you have described, for me, and you did a little bit just now, some of those transcended moments of being involved in the Opera where.

00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:26.310 Sean Harkness: You can just feel the whole room.

00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.120 Sean Harkness: So 4000 people capacity something like that.

00:39:30.150 --> 00:39:31.530 Shem Guibbory: or thousand seven.

00:39:32.220 --> 00:39:33.690 Shem Guibbory: Okay, like that were 36.

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:41.610 Sean Harkness: Plus all the people on stage and backstage and everywhere, you can you just aware that everyone is concerted and in that moment.

00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:43.230 Sean Harkness: This one suits the crew.

00:39:43.590 --> 00:39:44.610 yeah they're.

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.290 Shem Guibbory: they're on it.

00:39:46.770 --> 00:39:53.760 Sean Harkness: yeah and all the labyrinthine backstage is and everything and everyone's in it and on it and that's this beautiful.

00:39:54.810 --> 00:40:11.190 Sean Harkness: As three people only we can get there quicker, I think we kind of start there and that's the beauty of it, and a lot of ways and i'm glad you i'm glad you mentioned that, because that is a healing power, whether you were going at it that way or not for sure.

00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:14.430 Sean Harkness: And and.

00:40:16.290 --> 00:40:21.660 Sean Harkness: Somebody say I have to admit publicly that I was very daunted.

00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:26.760 Sean Harkness: about the prospect of playing with you, when we were first doing the shows and windham hill.

00:40:27.060 --> 00:40:35.130 Sean Harkness: And we were playing some larger rooms they'd be with two to 3000 seat auditorium you know performing arts centers some smaller five to 500 to 1000.

00:40:35.430 --> 00:40:41.910 Sean Harkness: But whatever going out in front of an audience that's a sacred moment the lights go down there listening we're performing.

00:40:42.390 --> 00:40:50.460 Sean Harkness: But they're part of it, and I would go out and do my thing and play solo guitar pieces and maybe I tried to do something with somebody else, and it would work or not.

00:40:51.420 --> 00:41:01.800 Sean Harkness: For better for worse than your gracious enough to have me join you a couple of times, and then the next time you'd be like well let's just do one tonight, or you know just.

00:41:03.510 --> 00:41:13.500 Sean Harkness: Because what you were looking for, even though there are only two chords in the whole thing it wasn't like it was you know musically daunting it was personally like it, I had to.

00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:23.700 Sean Harkness: be there on such an authentic genuine heartfelt soulful level to really bring it for you and to support you.

00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:33.090 Sean Harkness: In what you were doing with the audience, you know and it just kind of know me, you know and rehearsal is soundcheck no I need you to be more this I need.

00:41:33.720 --> 00:41:41.580 Sean Harkness: Like you mean like this, no, you know, like you were really specific about it, I wanted so bad, to say that I think.

00:41:42.060 --> 00:41:53.700 Sean Harkness: We finally found it and that we play well together now and so when we got together with the three of us and you liked it that just made me so perfectly happy just to my core like good.

00:41:56.550 --> 00:42:00.480 Sandra Bargman: This is a great transition into what have you guys learned from each other.

00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:02.700 Sandra Bargman: What is my learning from each other.

00:42:04.200 --> 00:42:05.790 Sandra Bargman: continue to elaborate on that.

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.070 Sandra Bargman: So meeting.

00:42:09.720 --> 00:42:10.140 well.

00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.620 Samite Mulondo: Oh, my goodness, I mean.

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:26.520 Samite Mulondo: First of all, he's shown is an amazing guitarist and I think he's the glue between the two of us in a lot of ways, and he understands music at a.

00:42:27.750 --> 00:42:46.470 Samite Mulondo: Different level I tend to look for that thing that most people most trained musicians run away from his his this a magical place where it's really simple but it's almost childlike and most that's where most musicians tend to want to show that thing they have a lot of.

00:42:47.880 --> 00:43:00.480 Samite Mulondo: Short, you know they can really do it you're showing up on this things they are trying to do, and I feel like usually that's where most people run away from the magic that's the magic is not there, the magic is.

00:43:01.230 --> 00:43:10.500 Samite Mulondo: connecting with the audience and that there's a wave that goes on and it and it could the music might even sound repetitive, but it's not repetitive.

00:43:10.890 --> 00:43:18.510 Samite Mulondo: If you really see you know if you let yourself realize what's happening there, the energy from the audience and everything going on but.

00:43:19.050 --> 00:43:29.130 Samite Mulondo: I found that when we got together with you know both these when I got together with this gentleman the magic was already there we arrived.

00:43:29.730 --> 00:43:43.050 Samite Mulondo: Because we were all possible we're hurting from not performing from covered, you know shut down, and I think we were all just really standing out a very beautiful place where we're standing at a magical place so.

00:43:44.220 --> 00:43:45.810 Samite Mulondo: And we continue to do that.

00:43:47.790 --> 00:43:48.900 I think that's all.

00:43:50.160 --> 00:44:10.830 Sandra Bargman: All three of you believe that coven polished us all in certain ways that I think that what you're describing about coming together in the simplicity of your work that everyone was called to some element of that through the isolation through what's next.

00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:31.710 Shem Guibbory: and through the love of that we keep being pulled and the notion that humans, we love to believe that we're somehow in control and maybe someday you're more connected to to not being in control, but this this polishing through coven that I think everyone was called to.

00:44:35.640 --> 00:44:40.920 Share How would you respond and how did you feel that, in response to some ej what he just shared.

00:44:43.980 --> 00:44:49.860 Shem Guibbory: He for me, yes, the covert experience.

00:44:51.690 --> 00:44:52.380 Shem Guibbory: I think.

00:44:53.520 --> 00:45:08.820 Shem Guibbory: was like that it's like it's it was like being all the artists all the audience members all the people in the world being put in this giant tumblr with polishing rocks and their get your getting scrubbed and some people didn't make it.

00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:10.500 Sean Harkness: Right.

00:45:11.580 --> 00:45:18.090 Shem Guibbory: For me it the covert experience forced me to get off the train of.

00:45:20.910 --> 00:45:26.610 Shem Guibbory: Being a violinist and the met, which is it's like running the marathon from September to May.

00:45:27.660 --> 00:45:41.790 Shem Guibbory: And I visit by myself and I started doing tracks, with some colleagues started making an album with the bass player mark Elias you may know, mark I don't know he has a house up not too far from you.

00:45:43.470 --> 00:46:00.720 Shem Guibbory: We, and we did these tracks separately and then, then the three of us started experimenting around together and by the time we came together, I was, I feel like a burden had been lifted off of me of the of the treadmill of life, and it was like.

00:46:02.310 --> 00:46:02.910 Shem Guibbory: I.

00:46:04.140 --> 00:46:07.860 Shem Guibbory: Am for the first time in a long time, I felt like i'm home.

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.720 Shem Guibbory: With these guys like i'm home life is changing.

00:46:14.550 --> 00:46:16.590 Shem Guibbory: I want more of this please.

00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:28.650 Samite Mulondo: I want more this does right, yes, there was a magical moment quickly, I can share um we were after the day after we spent time discovering sounds we were sitting outside in the dark.

00:46:29.790 --> 00:46:36.690 Samite Mulondo: Like beautiful, we have a farm you know and outside this just us and I said.

00:46:37.770 --> 00:46:41.220 Samite Mulondo: Can you explain to me how you felt when we were when over the shit you know.

00:46:42.450 --> 00:46:45.450 Samite Mulondo: got shut down or close down what do they call it when Kobe.

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:53.160 Samite Mulondo: lockdown yes, and I say how did you guys feel when there was a lockdown and.

00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:05.490 Samite Mulondo: Sean just bust out into real big tears, and that moment for me that was it, I was like this is my guy is the guy he he didn't say anything he just.

00:47:06.720 --> 00:47:07.740 Samite Mulondo: started crying.

00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:20.910 Samite Mulondo: i'm so sorry guys i'm so sorry he explained the whole feeling of what it was so magical that moment, I went to bed like Oh, my goodness, he says it he's, this is it, this is.

00:47:21.810 --> 00:47:23.400 Sandra Bargman: This is the healing power of.

00:47:23.430 --> 00:47:29.040 Samite Mulondo: Music, my goodness, yes for the three of you and you're all of us that will be.

00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:42.390 Sandra Bargman: gifted to be listening to you what you create and we're going to talk about that when we come back from our last break stay tuned on the edge of every day.

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00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:53.430 Sandra Bargman: So with this last quarter i'd like to speak on what's on your leading edge what kind, what is the.

00:49:54.720 --> 00:50:00.900 speak to us about what what you've discovered in what you're creating musically.

00:50:03.030 --> 00:50:03.450 Sean.

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:12.840 How is this new and different and and and polishing you and helping you to change musically.

00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:20.640 Sean Harkness: Well um yes, I was just touching on a moment ago, I think it it it.

00:50:22.560 --> 00:50:23.940 Sean Harkness: polishing or.

00:50:25.290 --> 00:50:25.860 Sean Harkness: odd word.

00:50:27.210 --> 00:50:48.360 Sean Harkness: is certainly helping me to to you know grow more of an authenticity, so no matter what i'm playing it doesn't have to be technically perfect just has to have heart and soul and connection real connection all the time that informs all the other things I do musically.

00:50:50.400 --> 00:51:03.030 Sean Harkness: And just the relationship that we have, as friends as just humans and how that translates into the music, you know I think we bring that with us, wherever we go so that whether.

00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:12.150 Sean Harkness: You know, as Jim was saying whether we're playing on a you know street corner in brooklyn or subway stop or if we're playing at the Vatican or Machu picchu wherever we are.

00:51:12.630 --> 00:51:30.210 Sean Harkness: it's a sacred place so our our overarching goal or story line of like we are going to be playing this music in sacred places around the world, you know it starts well in your backyard wherever we happen to be.

00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:41.550 that's glorious done, I do either of you want to weigh in on that have you discovered something new musically I understand the internal softness and the internal.

00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:54.900 balancing of that urge towards being present to the music and struggling with an as a singer i've struggled with us some of the technical the training versus the intuition.

00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:07.890 Shem Guibbory: That can that can be a challenge and I are there things that sham that you've discovered I know somebody take feels more into the intuition of it.

00:52:09.720 --> 00:52:13.200 might have you discovered something musically that was surprising to you.

00:52:14.670 --> 00:52:20.610 Shem Guibbory: Well, in a way, like my musical impulses are good that's what i've discovered.

00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:36.900 Shem Guibbory: You know I mean now, mind you, you know, like if something's not right, I think all of us feels saying you know that's not right that's an feel right needs more, this is it so we're not talking about like an easy passage right or just blah blah blah right.

00:52:38.040 --> 00:52:38.580 Shem Guibbory: But.

00:52:39.600 --> 00:52:42.150 Shem Guibbory: When I am actually just trusting.

00:52:44.010 --> 00:52:45.120 seems to go pretty well.

00:52:46.830 --> 00:52:47.430 Shem Guibbory: and

00:52:50.130 --> 00:52:54.900 Shem Guibbory: And it to me like the world of classical music is so.

00:52:56.610 --> 00:53:08.520 Shem Guibbory: The culture of exactitude right it's so hard to bypass for all of its wonder and.

00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:12.480 Shem Guibbory: capacity for astonishment.

00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:17.610 Shem Guibbory: it's very hard to bypass and get to the place of the child.

00:53:18.060 --> 00:53:18.540 Yes.

00:53:20.010 --> 00:53:26.880 Shem Guibbory: And I feel like I am relieved of that burden with these guys.

00:53:28.890 --> 00:53:29.160 Right.

00:53:30.240 --> 00:53:39.540 Sean Harkness: it's good to hear you know another thing that that comes to mind as you're asking you about this um you know I play in so many different environments.

00:53:40.050 --> 00:53:48.270 Sean Harkness: It but one of the common threads I noticed, you know there's that old adage of people don't necessarily know what they like, but they like what they know you know.

00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:48.960 Shem Guibbory: yeah right.

00:53:49.410 --> 00:53:54.840 Sean Harkness: And I played in so many barbarians for so many years and I used to have a joke about you know someday going to a.

00:53:55.890 --> 00:53:59.430 Sean Harkness: Neil young concert and yelling out place and pat metheny you know.

00:54:01.170 --> 00:54:03.570 Sean Harkness: There are a few musicians, who will find that funny.

00:54:04.710 --> 00:54:15.480 Sean Harkness: You know, everybody wants to hear something that they know a song they recognize and I know Sammy take has had great success with that, when he goes into the Bush with his flute and he plays a melody.

00:54:15.720 --> 00:54:20.340 Sean Harkness: That somebody can relate to because they've heard it before there is a strength to that.

00:54:21.750 --> 00:54:27.810 Sean Harkness: So, so I use I use the the connector and not but and.

00:54:29.460 --> 00:54:38.460 Sean Harkness: When we bring in improvised music and self composed music into a room full of people who don't know us yet or what we're really bringing.

00:54:39.270 --> 00:54:50.160 Sean Harkness: We have to have whatever we're doing has to be on that level so that even if they don't know it, yet it has to still resonate heaven they feel like they know it.

00:54:51.270 --> 00:54:57.180 Sean Harkness: You know what I mean like that's a criteria that I think we're we're aiming for all the time and it's almost it's.

00:54:57.630 --> 00:55:08.040 Sean Harkness: that's I think that's the first time i've ever actually said something like that out loud it's a hard thing to articulate and to really you know there's no method book that tells you how to get to that you know.

00:55:09.060 --> 00:55:11.610 Sean Harkness: Without writing it as we go along here I guess.

00:55:13.230 --> 00:55:15.210 Sandra Bargman: Okay, so we.

00:55:15.270 --> 00:55:20.700 Shem Guibbory: Wait wait, I want to hear from cemetery if you have something to say on that question, if you would send her unfortunately we've just.

00:55:20.700 --> 00:55:22.530 Sandra Bargman: got we've we've got it just okay.

00:55:23.700 --> 00:55:25.740 Shem Guibbory: i'll talk to you after the show I.

00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:28.110 Sandra Bargman: Just.

00:55:28.410 --> 00:55:29.340 Sandra Bargman: I want to know what.

00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:41.430 Sandra Bargman: we're going to put all of the places to find you know Sammy tab we're gonna go with that and we'll put all the places where we can find you in the show notes, we don't have to talk about that go for it sunny today, please.

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.480 Samite Mulondo: Oh, my goodness, I actually I was so happy that I wasn't going to have.

00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:55.200 Samite Mulondo: Okay he's something that I hadn't told these guys i'm.

00:55:56.910 --> 00:55:57.840 Shem Guibbory: sitting down now.

00:55:58.770 --> 00:56:02.370 Samite Mulondo: Yes, no, no, no, no i'm a i've been practicing.

00:56:03.690 --> 00:56:06.000 Samite Mulondo: Counting i've never counted.

00:56:06.120 --> 00:56:07.080 Shem Guibbory: also sorry.

00:56:08.100 --> 00:56:19.500 Samite Mulondo: Yes, and so the first thing they say how many times how many, but you know what's where's the where's the one and it's like I don't care I usually just play.

00:56:19.560 --> 00:56:20.640 Sandra Bargman: I love this.

00:56:21.630 --> 00:56:38.820 Samite Mulondo: And so i've been practicing counting and i've been like a and it's interesting it's interesting i've never counted all my life i'm 65 and i've never counted, so this is the first time in my life i'm counting in music so that's that's the.

00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:43.980 Sandra Bargman: musical curiosity, for the rest of our lives continual growth.

00:56:44.190 --> 00:56:44.910 Sean Harkness: In every.

00:56:45.330 --> 00:56:57.540 Sandra Bargman: Every day, that is, the edge of every day always pushing the boundaries Okay, so we can find you at komara

00:56:58.650 --> 00:57:22.470 Sandra Bargman: You can go to Sandra bars and read all about their upcoming performance in our small but our humble but mighty salon space in boys phil New York, the plum at Trevor hollow house, gentlemen, I am very grateful to spend this hour with you, thank you for being on the show.

00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:23.730 Shem Guibbory: Thank you Sandra.

00:57:24.720 --> 00:57:28.920 Sean Harkness: thanks for having us I can't see you soon yeah can't wait for you to come.

00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:29.100 Sandra Bargman: On.

00:57:29.190 --> 00:57:30.030 Shem Guibbory: A couple of weeks.

00:57:30.450 --> 00:57:48.030 Sandra Bargman: Yes, indeed those of you who are listening in check out come on up to boys phil Thank you all for listening, that you are listening in for spending this hour with us, and remember you are always on the edge of the miraculous to we speak next week take good care.

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