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Facebook Live Video from 2022/05/24 - Employer Productivity Reboot - From Overwhelmed To Organized

Facebook Live Video from 2022/05/24 - Employer Productivity Reboot - From Overwhelmed To Organized


2022/05/24 - Employer Productivity Reboot - From Overwhelmed To Organized

[NEW EPISODE] Employer Productivity Reboot - From Overwhelmed To Organized

- The audience will learn how to organize, declutter and clarify their workplace on all levels - from paper to electronic, to time management. 

- The audience will learn how to move from a culture of overwhelming to one that fuels radical productivity, sustainable performance, and peace of mind.

Whether you work in an office, are part of the "new normal" of working from home, or a combination of the two, it's not what you do, who you do it for, or where you do's HOW you operate in your work environment that's the game-changer. When employers and business owners are ready to learn how to set themselves up for success every day versus defeat, Wendy's ready to show them how. That's when the real productivity magic happens. 

Wendy Ellin has most recently launched Wendy Ellin's 3P Corporate Academy, a learning journey built on a community-based platform that invites organizations to move from a culture of overwhelming to one that fuels radical productivity, sustainable performance, and peace of mind. 

Tune in Tuesday when Wendy and I will discuss how to enhance engagement, focus, and job satisfaction corporate-wide! 

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Twitter: wendyellin

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Eric Sarver introduces his guest, Wendy Ellin, a Workplace Productivity Consultant. Wendy is also an international speaker, and #1 best selling author, with her book, Working From Home… How’s That Working For You? She has most recently launched Wendy Ellin's 3P Corporate Academy, a learning journey that invites organizations to move from a culture of overwhelming to one that fuels radical productivity, sustainable performance, and peace of mind. Wendy says that she was in the advertising business for many years. She wound up observing the way people operated in their environment. She worked in a cubicle and was 100 percent commission, had a budget to make every month and knew exactly how to set herself up for success everyday. When she looked at everyone else, they were never on time, never honored their word, had piles of stuff around them, and were very stressed out. She left radio in 2000 and realized that she had a gift in doing things in a way that served her well in the workplace and in her life. So she decided to start teaching this to other people. Wendy discusses some challenges business owners face today like the post covid workplace and how the pandemic has shed a light on challenges people were already facing like disorganization.

Segment 2

Wendy and Eric discuss more about organization. Wendy discusses methods to this and says to do what works for you. As long as you are getting the result that you want, that's important. They use Eric’s example of clearing the mess in his closet at home. Wendy says that she looks for progress, not perfection in her clients. Just look for 80 percent organized. Eric mentions to not always strive for perfection, because then you'll set yourself up for failure. Wendy says that when she works with clients, she doesnt’ work with them for less than 3 months. She doesn’t believe in helping someone in less time than this because she is teaching you organization. This means breaking bad habits and implementing a better mindset to improve productivity. She also finds out when working with organizations why people aren't getting their work done. They also talk about the impact leaders have for the rest of their team in productivity and being content. Wendy also emphasizes that you're not wrong or bad for being disorganized, it's just a challenge that you need to conquer.

Segment 3

Wendy shares some highlights about her book Working From Home… How’s That Working For You? She wrote the book in July of 2020. She was panicking for everyone in the world during this time because many people had to start working at home. This meant that if they lived amongst mess and disorganization, then they also worked amongst it. The book highlights the toolbox that she teaches in a personal story. There are several client stories that speak to many issues that she works on related to being organized. You can google Wendy Ellin to find more about her and her book or search for the book title as well. Wendy also talks about how she coaches. She says that she approaches what she does with tough love. Reciprocation is also necessary as clients should care about improving. She says “I want this for you if you want this for you.” She also talks about her 3P Corporate Academy. It implements a learn, do, and inspiring model. It's an individually tailored approach as well because everyone has different pains and struggles.

Segment 4

Wendy shares success stories of different clients she worked with. One story was about a lawyer who was about to be taken off from a client. The lawyer was never returning emails, phone calls, etc. she got him to set up her systems and follow them. She coached him until he started to see his habits changing and he was able to keep his job. She has also had a client once who was in a really bad place in her job. Wendy was able to completely transform the way she operated by using the systems she teaches. Her client was sobbing by the end of their journey and was able to do things like take a sick day and take a maternity leave with more peace of mind. They also continue to discuss how clutter affects things like how we focus and pay attention to the present moment as well as how we feel. Before closing the show, Wendy mentions that for those who are struggling with these similar issues, you can do it. You can learn these skills. If you're in an organization that you think can really use this help or you're a person wanting to offer this to your employees, this kind of help is a game changer. You're going to get the best out of your team and yourself. You can find Wendy Ellin at where you’ll find everything about her and her programs!


00:00:56.190 --> 00:01:03.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Good evening, welcome to employment law today i'm your host Eric savoured i'm an employment law and business law attorney.

00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:14.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I host this live weekly talk radio show and video broadcast every Tuesday night from 5pm to 6pm Eastern standard time right here on talk radio nyc.

00:01:14.370 --> 00:01:24.090 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Where I have guests who discuss some of the most novel and interesting issues and topics and the challenges that business owners and employers face in these trying times.

00:01:24.450 --> 00:01:35.880 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And in that spirit, I would like to welcome to the show tonight, our guests i'm someone i'm very happy to have on the show miss Wendy Ellen workplace productivity consultant Wendy welcome to the show.

00:01:40.470 --> 00:01:41.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's Okay, the mute hi.

00:01:43.440 --> 00:01:44.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome to the show.

00:01:46.230 --> 00:01:48.420 Wendy Ellin: I appreciate the invite.

00:01:48.900 --> 00:01:57.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Sure thing yeah I think I think your topic is very timely for business owners and employers today, and so what i'd like to do is to introduce our topic.

00:01:58.230 --> 00:02:03.330 Eric Sarver, Esq.: To our audience and i'll give you a proper introduction that everyone knows, some of your background interesting.

00:02:04.020 --> 00:02:11.160 Eric Sarver, Esq.: pedigree information and then we can have a nice conversation about what we're here talking about the employer productivity reboot.

00:02:11.790 --> 00:02:22.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And so, with that, let me just know that, so our topic tonight is exactly that employee productivity reboot from overwhelm to organize.

00:02:23.490 --> 00:02:32.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And really when I will discuss the fact that, whether you work in an office part of the new normal working from home or a combination of the two.

00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:40.140 Eric Sarver, Esq.: it's not what you do it's not for whom you do it aware you do it it's how you operate in your workplace environment that is a game changer.

00:02:40.620 --> 00:02:46.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: When employers and business owners are ready to learn how to set themselves up for success every day versus defeat.

00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:54.480 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's when our next guest Wendy Ellen is ready to show them how to get to a place where the real productivity magic happens.

00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:05.130 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Now, when he is a workplace productivity consultant and international speaker and the number one best selling author of working from home how's that working for you.

00:03:05.700 --> 00:03:14.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm really thrilled to have you join me tonight as we discuss issues of organization time management and productivity from her insightful perspective.

00:03:14.820 --> 00:03:23.160 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So once again when the yeah i'm really glad that you're on the show joining me joining us in that you can share on this topic with our with our audience.

00:03:23.220 --> 00:03:23.940 Wendy Ellin: You bet.

00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:37.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: All right, what I give your introduction as well and Wendy Ellen is, besides being a workplace productivity consultant international speaker and number one best selling author, as I mentioned.

00:03:38.550 --> 00:03:49.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: is also has insights into living an organized life which are shared in our presentations with reverence humor and a level of passion that motivates her audience to take immediate action.

00:03:50.220 --> 00:03:53.760 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Wendy has most recently launched when he owns three P Academy.

00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:08.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A learning journey built on a Community based platform that invites organizations to move from a culture of overwhelm to one that fuels radical productivity sustainable performance and peace of mind.

00:04:08.940 --> 00:04:12.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's when you can ensure engagement focus and job satisfaction.

00:04:13.290 --> 00:04:24.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Corporate wide Wendy has an extensive list of organizations she's spoken for and work with, including the Coca Cola company something i've heard of that cuts broadcasting and communications.

00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:38.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And the American cancer society auto I heart radio Daiichi sign yoga I pronounce that correctly Price Waterhouse Coopers tenneco southern company ucb pharmaceuticals and more.

00:04:38.940 --> 00:04:46.500 Eric Sarver, Esq.: She has been featured in real simple magazine The Wall Street Journal ABC TV npr Radio one of my favorites.

00:04:46.800 --> 00:05:02.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The Atlanta journal constitution, as well as several podcasts such as now, this one and online interviews and yeah Wendy where I really impressive background there and I I know you're passionate about this topic, I could tell.

00:05:03.210 --> 00:05:09.480 Wendy Ellin: hundred percent totally everything it's it's really what I meant to do in the world Eric This is great.

00:05:10.140 --> 00:05:14.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: it's I feel about employment law and business law things I love doing that some people might cringe at.

00:05:15.570 --> 00:05:31.020 Eric Sarver, Esq.: But yeah, so in that regard, you know I like to ask my guests, when you to tell me more about yourself like me me how did your career this you start out and then what prompted you to become a productivity consultant form your own you know, one of the oldest repeat Academy.

00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:40.440 Wendy Ellin: So I was in in the advertising agency business for many, many years and, most recently, before I left in the radio sales business.

00:05:40.860 --> 00:05:49.170 Wendy Ellin: And I spent a lot of time Eric observing the way people operate in the workplace, I worked in a cubicle I was 100% Commission.

00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:54.510 Wendy Ellin: I was completely driven I had a budget to make every month and I knew exactly.

00:05:54.840 --> 00:06:06.180 Wendy Ellin: How to set myself up for success every day in the way I operated in my environment how I dealt with my email inbox how I dealt with my paper how I managed my time how I managed my calendar.

00:06:06.960 --> 00:06:14.970 Wendy Ellin: But I looked at everyone else who worked around me and they were total miss all the time they never honored they're worried about anything they were never on time.

00:06:15.450 --> 00:06:28.680 Wendy Ellin: They had piles of stuff everywhere, and they were stressed out and I thought wow, why do they want to work this way right I just you know, everybody used to make fun of me, because my my my cubicle was so neat.

00:06:29.250 --> 00:06:31.860 Wendy Ellin: But I didn't know how to work any other way.

00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:35.190 Wendy Ellin: And though, when I was ready to leave radio which.

00:06:35.190 --> 00:06:48.690 Wendy Ellin: was in 2000 my realized that I had a gift for getting things done in a way that really served me well and I looked at my life and how I ran my life and I duplicated that and taught it to other people.

00:06:49.650 --> 00:07:01.140 Wendy Ellin: And I just literally put together a PowerPoint presentation back in the day and knock on some doors when use the contacts that I had and over 21 years now, I have.

00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:17.010 Wendy Ellin: In the prime in the process of scaling my business, I still do one on one coaching and workshops for organizations, but now i've taken all of my content and put it on a technology platform, so that anybody in any organization can access the content.

00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That will be the three P, what do you got.

00:07:21.450 --> 00:07:29.610 Wendy Ellin: yeah that's the name of the product that's now accessible to everyone Wendy Ellen sweet pea Academy, which is a toolbox that fuels productivity performance and peace of mind.

00:07:30.330 --> 00:07:33.480 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Interesting well I think it's just i'm struggling to you know I.

00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:37.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm always curious about what motivates my guests, to get into the.

00:07:37.770 --> 00:07:46.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The field there, especially when let's say it's like not a field that you may have necessarily heard about growing up, you know or known about.

00:07:46.530 --> 00:07:54.990 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The way some fields might be kind of more like an accountant or a doctor says sort of known, for you know generations, but then to sort of discover.

00:07:55.410 --> 00:07:59.850 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Your purpose and your passion, based on just how you work with your good ad.

00:08:00.150 --> 00:08:09.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i've actually seen that from I had colleagues and i've had people on the show guests who are career coaches, because they realized, they were so good at helping people out with their resumes and their transitions.

00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:15.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And i've so I hear what you're saying about just how you know how everything evolved for you.

00:08:16.380 --> 00:08:21.660 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And sounds like you have the last laugh for those people i'm sure they were gentle teasing joking making fun of your.

00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:22.380 pupil but.

00:08:23.940 --> 00:08:38.100 Wendy Ellin: stay there, there they're you know astounded at how far i've taken this over the years and not surprised, none of them are surprised, you know I really there's no call people like did you go to college for this no they don't teach this in college.

00:08:38.130 --> 00:08:38.730 Eric Sarver, Esq.: This is.

00:08:39.030 --> 00:08:40.800 Wendy Ellin: Really, in a in me.

00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:50.250 Wendy Ellin: And something I so see the value in that I want what I get out of my life by being organized for everyone else to have the same thing.

00:08:51.420 --> 00:08:58.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: As for a terrific that's great you know I think I think that the more we have a passion and belief in what we do the board shows, and the more.

00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:04.050 Eric Sarver, Esq.: genuinely are the one success we have so i'm happy for you, with that success and I think it's great that you've been.

00:09:04.350 --> 00:09:12.930 Eric Sarver, Esq.: At this all these years, you know I think at this and we talked about the topic of this, you know productivity reboot and going to overwhelm the organized.

00:09:13.350 --> 00:09:26.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: When the and i'm wondering kind of ignited my next question which is like what do you see as the main organizational and efficiency challenges that most employers and business owners face today one of those challenges.

00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:37.200 Wendy Ellin: Well, you know let's let's talk about the obvious the elephant in the room, the whole hybrid coven post coded workplace right now I always say Eric.

00:09:38.550 --> 00:09:48.540 Wendy Ellin: coven didn't make people organized or destroy or disorganized coven shed a light on what most of the people have been challenged with all along.

00:09:48.630 --> 00:09:56.880 Wendy Ellin: They don't have organizational skills there now forced to live amongst not only live amongst their clutter at home, but work amongst their clutter at home.

00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:06.300 Wendy Ellin: Right so i'm on a mission to get in front of organizations to say, do you even know how many of your people are suffering.

00:10:06.750 --> 00:10:13.890 Wendy Ellin: Because if they are they're not telling you no one talks about being disorganized nobody's proud about being disorganized right.

00:10:14.400 --> 00:10:36.270 Wendy Ellin: So they're suffering in silence, trying to figure it out on their own when there's a toolbox available to offer every employee who might need one or two or seven or 10 tools in the box help them stay engaged like what they do give you their best work it's a win, win for everybody.

00:10:37.350 --> 00:10:44.520 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, sounds like I mean, I think the employees, like devin devin want to feel that relief that burden of the disorganization the stress.

00:10:44.790 --> 00:10:53.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Maybe some some level of perhaps shame, as you mentioned, like that want to admit that they can't organize themselves, and then I think the employer wants their productivity also.

00:10:54.930 --> 00:11:02.730 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I, like you said, also about just coven sort of shedding light or bringing issues that were already either latency or there to the forefront or magnifying them.

00:11:02.760 --> 00:11:04.650 Wendy Ellin: though they just follow them up to the surface.

00:11:04.680 --> 00:11:06.870 Wendy Ellin: Now everybody's like oh my God, how do I do this.

00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:13.200 Wendy Ellin: Then the whole hybrid thing is it doesn't matter where you work you take these skills with you, wherever you go.

00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:21.570 Wendy Ellin: Right it'll be easier for you to transition two days a week at the office three days a week, at home when you have a toolbox to work from.

00:11:21.630 --> 00:11:26.910 Wendy Ellin: I can say that right, but it doesn't really matter where or who.

00:11:28.350 --> 00:11:35.280 Wendy Ellin: Or what it really does is really so from me listen I love Simon cynics who's got his book, you know it's all about the why.

00:11:35.370 --> 00:11:36.120 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I get them.

00:11:36.150 --> 00:11:39.990 Wendy Ellin: Right simon's the y guy and i'm the how girl.

00:11:40.290 --> 00:11:47.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Okay uh huh I hear it's like and I know what you're saying about the the place of necessarily change.

00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:55.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And you can be working 100% remotely or in the office sleep, but if you're not say organized, but you know the organization skills.

00:11:56.220 --> 00:12:01.500 Eric Sarver, Esq.: it'll it'll show up, I think I think you made it a point to Wendy something I heard you say that.

00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:05.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: People graphic or now many people that work from home, whether.

00:12:06.150 --> 00:12:12.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Remote hundred percent of the time or hybrid like they're living and working the same space and if you're.

00:12:12.750 --> 00:12:24.840 Eric Sarver, Esq.: If you're a New York City props in an apartment Liz living situation right now you've got less space and maybe even more stuff because you've got your work computer maybe some if you have any papers documents I think you're printing.

00:12:25.260 --> 00:12:33.900 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know you've got suddenly more in front of you and you're doing more in that space and as the clutter becomes obvious you don't leave it behind when you.

00:12:34.290 --> 00:12:45.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: leave the door the morning my five days a week to run cancer treatment city or wherever you might work as you drive to work, but like I think they definitely definitely hear what you're saying about that, and I think it's an interesting point.

00:12:46.590 --> 00:12:59.220 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know i'm wondering if you could tell us more about this like what problems do you think result from a lack of organization, you know, for me, my sister long, and I know what it's just the way I roll you know, but what kind of issues you see that.

00:12:59.640 --> 00:13:04.170 Wendy Ellin: Oh, my God they span all across no sleep you're exhausted.

00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:18.240 Wendy Ellin: issues with relationships one spouse or one partner is organized the other one is in raising children and setting that example, which is the worst example you can set for your kids is you know if you don't care I don't care, but it's not a great example right.

00:13:18.690 --> 00:13:20.280 Wendy Ellin: i'm losing money.

00:13:21.090 --> 00:13:30.930 Wendy Ellin: Not spending time not spending time doing the things you want to do it this aspect of being organized affects every single aspect of your life even things that you don't even know.

00:13:32.790 --> 00:13:35.160 Wendy Ellin: Thanks just creep in your dating way.

00:13:35.880 --> 00:13:42.750 Wendy Ellin: you're depressed you're not loving what you do you think it's the job that you're doing but it's really how you're doing the job.

00:13:44.130 --> 00:13:47.880 Wendy Ellin: Right, I always say it's one thing to love what you do it's another to love the way you do it.

00:13:48.990 --> 00:13:52.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's very interesting that's an interesting thing to take away it's like that.

00:13:53.280 --> 00:14:04.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That saying you're it's not something that's really think about what i'm hearing to what's interesting is that some of the things you mentioned like relationship and probably lost some money, time and gaining weight weekend.

00:14:04.980 --> 00:14:13.470 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think the problems that people with the last thing people would probably say is Oh, this is clearly my disorganisation relaxing time managing my clutter.

00:14:13.770 --> 00:14:23.400 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think many people wouldn't even realize because they've spent so many years in chaos or kind of becomes the norm is that something you found when you're working people in organization.

00:14:23.520 --> 00:14:30.090 Wendy Ellin: Oh yeah but here's the thing think about the wait wait, the way you're too so disorganized you don't have time to go the grocery store, so you eat on the fly.

00:14:30.270 --> 00:14:32.190 Wendy Ellin: And before you know you've gained 10 pounds.

00:14:32.670 --> 00:14:32.970 Right.

00:14:34.020 --> 00:14:34.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right.

00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.960 Wendy Ellin: And then you don't have the time to exercise to get healthy.

00:14:38.280 --> 00:14:43.800 Wendy Ellin: Because you spend a lot of time looking for things because nothing's organized, because nothing, nothing has a place.

00:14:44.370 --> 00:14:48.690 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Then you get frustrated and new and anxious, like the new your sleep well and it's a vicious cycle.

00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:50.010 Wendy Ellin: hundred percent.

00:14:50.490 --> 00:14:58.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: wow you know when they were actually I swear it's really something I mean we're at our first commercial break think but that whole week vicious cycle, we come back.

00:14:59.010 --> 00:15:14.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: we're going to talk about ways to break that cycle that vicious cycle and to get into a place of organization with our guest tonight Wendy Ellen productivity organizational consultant so i'm Eric soccer host of climate lot today don't go away we'll be right back.

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00:17:28.860 --> 00:17:43.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick sovereign employment law business law attorney and we're here tonight on talking to nyc with my guest, the very engaging dynamic when the Ellen Wendy again really good to have you on the show this evening.

00:17:44.010 --> 00:17:45.540 Wendy Ellin: Thanks Eric love being here.

00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:54.300 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Excellent yeah you know we're really kind of I think identifying the scope of this problems issue of this organization.

00:17:55.050 --> 00:17:58.650 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know, being overwhelmed cluttered chaotic time management problems.

00:17:59.010 --> 00:18:07.770 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know, for those joining us later when he talks about some of the reasons why organization is so important to really talk about some of the challenges that people face.

00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:13.830 Eric Sarver, Esq.: relationship problems lots of money and time weight gain depression Tyler and even.

00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:21.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The platinum respective employees losing productivity and not getting things done, like and then employers like not having the right.

00:18:22.470 --> 00:18:30.690 Eric Sarver, Esq.: connection with their employees are not having the best employees either you know I it's funny you got me thinking about this topic of organization because.

00:18:31.020 --> 00:18:42.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think I think was that myself as much better the organization, I used to be much less organized and got some help professional organizers got some good tips but i've always had one.

00:18:42.810 --> 00:18:48.840 Eric Sarver, Esq.: One closet one drawer, which is sort of the junk closet junk drawer that have everything gets thrown in there any kind of.

00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:57.330 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know it's chaotic chaotic and my wife or tz about it sort of it's like you know you go in that closet you don't come out, you know the kid missing people in there for me now but.

00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:06.480 Eric Sarver, Esq.: But I found that you know it was actually it was a certain music my closet in our in our bedroom and when I would take things out to get ready in the morning.

00:19:06.840 --> 00:19:14.070 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I would see that chaos and I still do so I used to always say i'm going to get to that closet next weekend i'm going to spend you know.

00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:30.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: In our isn't just I have a young son and i'm married I full time jobs attorney I don't get eight hours it's been on a closet but I started doing like 20 minutes a day and sometimes every other day from really having a long day and i've been doing that I think about five times now.

00:19:31.410 --> 00:19:45.960 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So it's about an hour and 40 minutes and the clauses looking much better, so it can be wondered, you know your thoughts about sort of the the long haul approach versus that the short amount first every day like what are your thoughts about that organizational perspective.

00:19:45.990 --> 00:19:53.490 Wendy Ellin: You know, when I say you do what works for you, you know if people know who has eight hours to work on a closet probably know people right.

00:19:54.540 --> 00:20:03.660 Wendy Ellin: So, as long as you're chipping away at it and you're getting a year ultimately getting to the result you want it doesn't really matter look your loss it's sad that way for a long time right it did.

00:20:04.110 --> 00:20:06.330 Wendy Ellin: He died because you had a closet like that.

00:20:06.570 --> 00:20:12.390 Wendy Ellin: True, though, you know that yeah look Eric i'm I only believe in 80% organized.

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:18.270 Wendy Ellin: I am not any more than 80% organized I, there is no such thing as 100% in anything.

00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:27.840 Wendy Ellin: In perfection, which I don't think exists and i'm not looking for that in my clients I look for progress, which is what you're doing you're you're getting progress right.

00:20:27.990 --> 00:20:46.440 Wendy Ellin: yeah but you know 80% of you just landed 80% that works right it doesn't set you up for defeat and print and print and for failure, when you do that when you when you take it on in that way, so i'm always suggesting with my clients just look for 80% organized.

00:20:48.300 --> 00:20:54.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: sitting right and you don't have to don't try for perfection, because then you're bound to fail and feel defeated.

00:20:54.780 --> 00:21:04.380 Wendy Ellin: And then you only do it anyway, then you won't even you, then you drop it right it's like when you're on a diet and you eat a piece of cheesecake and you think blew the whole thing may as well eat the House.

00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:05.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right.

00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.090 Wendy Ellin: it's a cheesecake.

00:21:06.540 --> 00:21:07.140 Eric Sarver, Esq.: One ready.

00:21:07.350 --> 00:21:11.430 Wendy Ellin: To take is not going to put weight on you do that three or four days in a row, and it might.

00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:19.980 Eric Sarver, Esq.: huh yeah so true I said, you know those up in a diet, or you know I think the flip side that might be like someone who's over ambitious to.

00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:29.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: join a gym you know for the New Year January and people i'm going to go every day, and then they don't then they get frustrated and defeated and they.

00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:30.270 Eric Sarver, Esq.: said I quit.

00:21:30.570 --> 00:21:43.140 Eric Sarver, Esq.: It sounds like I know that for your intro to you that you're a lot about the attitude building their attitude towards success, not feeling overwhelmed and defeated and frustrated and how do you encourage that was my next question.

00:21:44.430 --> 00:21:58.140 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You kind of hit on just one other point, but I was wondering, is there a quick fix I can organize it comes in for a one day or DIY book or that can solve these organizational problems was this issue require more systemic solution.

00:21:58.830 --> 00:22:10.500 Wendy Ellin: I don't believe there's a quick fix and here's why I can hire anybody to come in and clean up my mess right, but if someone doesn't teach me how to live differently that mess is just coming back.

00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:17.790 Wendy Ellin: Yes, so I when I work with clients you don't work with me for any less than three months.

00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:20.970 Wendy Ellin: hmm because I can help you in any less time than that.

00:22:21.810 --> 00:22:27.210 Wendy Ellin: Right, and you know when people say me what's your hourly rate i'm like I don't have an hourly rate, I can.

00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:27.480 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Have.

00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:28.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: An hour right.

00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:37.650 Wendy Ellin: So I don't have an hourly rate that makes it easy you work with me if you're going to coach with me coaches me for three months minimum.

00:22:38.070 --> 00:22:42.090 Wendy Ellin: yeah because i'm going to get you to where you say you want to be within that time.

00:22:42.750 --> 00:22:55.140 Eric Sarver, Esq.: wow that's interesting like you have to that model of this is, I think it says it right there people know that they can, this is not a one hour or two hour things is the whole sort of retraining, a way of being.

00:22:55.380 --> 00:23:00.000 Wendy Ellin: No, and the reason why is because I teaching you but you've got to do it.

00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:06.540 Wendy Ellin: i'm not living with you i'm not in i'm going to remind you every day to put things back into set things up on.

00:23:07.020 --> 00:23:08.820 Wendy Ellin: You, but you can implement it.

00:23:09.120 --> 00:23:10.500 Wendy Ellin: And it was laid out in your life.

00:23:11.760 --> 00:23:20.700 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, very think it's very good point it's sort of like I can relate to what I do with compliance work for clients to convey consulting about the legal laws need to follow.

00:23:21.060 --> 00:23:35.190 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I can, I can then set them up with it, but they have to do, I can get it in writing for them, I can advise the law has, but they have to in their week to week at to implement those policies it goes protocols procedures.

00:23:36.360 --> 00:23:43.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think that's true for a lot of professions, whether you're a professional organizer productivity consultant like like you, are Wendy or an employment law.

00:23:44.130 --> 00:23:55.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: fetch myself like you know we can you know even a physical therapist and you can teach a client what to do, but they have to take that initiative right that's the motivated to want to change.

00:23:55.530 --> 00:24:04.170 Wendy Ellin: Right and here's and also here's the thing I don't call myself a professional organizer there was a day back in the beginning, when I was organizing spaces.

00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:14.610 Wendy Ellin: I don't organize spaces, I teach people how to live that kind of life, but you know there's a lot productivity comes in a lot of shapes and sizes.

00:24:15.030 --> 00:24:16.410 Wendy Ellin: And one of the things that I.

00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:26.550 Wendy Ellin: Also do in an organization is I find out why people aren't getting their work done and a lot of times it's because of a toxic environment.

00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:47.040 Wendy Ellin: A lot of time it's because people are not aligned with their skills, so I come in and I actually dig around stir the pot, as I say, try to find out what's going on with the humans in there, things are getting done and lots of stuff gets revealed from that.

00:24:47.070 --> 00:24:55.020 Wendy Ellin: People it's it's you know so much revealed not just the fact that they don't have organizational tools they're in the wrong job.

00:24:56.010 --> 00:25:05.280 Wendy Ellin: They wind up picking up someone else's job because someone got laid off, and I didn't want to replace them, so now they're doing two jobs, one of which they weren't hired to do you know lots of lots of things, but.

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:10.620 Wendy Ellin: So I really believe that that productivity shows up in lots of different ways.

00:25:11.790 --> 00:25:20.340 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah you know so good i'm glad you mentioned that, after all, this is employment law today right, I think, employment and issues employers have and, of course, you know the.

00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:33.600 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The organizing and the timeout and that declutter can be on a personal level, and probably should be but there's also the the company, the the the rate the workplace, where people might need organizational changes.

00:25:34.020 --> 00:25:52.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And how they do their work and how they manage time so interested to hear that other factors can be at play and I wonder if the cut of the clutter and the disorganization either if it like covers up, I guess, maybe some of those other toxic issues or it feeds into it and we both.

00:25:53.250 --> 00:25:59.190 Wendy Ellin: We both you know a lot of it has to do with people's energy and it has to do with their energy about their job.

00:25:59.550 --> 00:26:05.460 Wendy Ellin: You know, you know when you come into an office and there's a negative energy there because that person might not like what they do right.

00:26:05.820 --> 00:26:12.180 Wendy Ellin: yeah and the minute they get a new job and they leave you can feel the energy open up and it's a.

00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:12.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Much more.

00:26:12.750 --> 00:26:18.990 Wendy Ellin: pleasant place to be in right nobody wants to work with someone that's not happy for any right.

00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:20.250 Eric Sarver, Esq.: right but.

00:26:20.280 --> 00:26:23.340 Wendy Ellin: You know, but but disorganized people tend to struggle.

00:26:23.820 --> 00:26:25.530 Wendy Ellin: And the struggle is real.

00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:35.790 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah I can see that in the workplace and killing problems like lots of see how one employees disorganization one employee struggle.

00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:43.470 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Since we don't all work in a vacuum right we're kind of interconnected can really cause challenge for the team or problems at the department.

00:26:43.860 --> 00:26:59.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And also Vice versa, if you have a disorganized supervisor or manager or boss if you're out there you're an employer listening today or I was watching the show, and you thinking that this issue only applies to employees, it very much applies to managers a lot.

00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.340 Wendy Ellin: I gotta tell you I never.

00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:12.450 Wendy Ellin: There was only one manager in the entire my entire sales career that I had no respect for one one well because she walked her talk.

00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:15.570 Wendy Ellin: And that's my jam so.

00:27:16.650 --> 00:27:21.780 Wendy Ellin: You know I can't say this enough it's the leaders that need to be the example.

00:27:21.810 --> 00:27:22.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: For the people that.

00:27:22.620 --> 00:27:23.550 Wendy Ellin: they're leading.

00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:38.820 Wendy Ellin: yeah and so, if there are leaders out there that are disorganized, how can you ask your people or expect your people to be if you're not that's why I always say this work that I do starts at the top, yes, absolutely starts at the top.

00:27:38.910 --> 00:27:46.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: mm hmm so you're an organization that says they're hiring you Wendy to help their employees and you're reminding the organization that.

00:27:46.650 --> 00:27:55.470 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You got to help the the head honchos to the management, the supervisors that you may perhaps the owner of the company, if they're you know, a small company they're involved.

00:27:55.890 --> 00:27:58.380 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I can see that I think so many things are.

00:27:58.770 --> 00:28:07.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: from the top down, and I see it in employment law and this is a graphic you know to mean to our shows overall theme that.

00:28:07.890 --> 00:28:15.330 Eric Sarver, Esq.: employers will talk about implicit bias discrimination, the problems amongst their employees and you know they don't realize that they're.

00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:24.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Creating a culture that fosters that whether overtly or implicitly sort of covert it says it's it's subtle ways.

00:28:25.080 --> 00:28:33.840 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That it's not going to work, the second step, you know you can hire me to do an Anti harassment training online or in person like you can say you know, bringing.

00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:48.000 Eric Sarver, Esq.: di consultants that get all that stuff and squeeze to do, but if the managers aren't on board and learning from those those lessons if they're going to be problems, but I think it sounds like the same you're saying, for you that you can organize equals.

00:28:48.090 --> 00:28:59.460 Wendy Ellin: And the thing is, people need to just get real with what that what they're challenged with you know I don't make anybody wrong for the fact that they're disorganized doesn't matter you're not wrong you're not bad you just don't have those skills.

00:29:00.270 --> 00:29:07.110 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right, I think that's sure I think too often this association say that if you're just organizing then there's something like.

00:29:07.410 --> 00:29:20.010 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Your sloppy right or you're messy or slow you're lazy and I think it could just be a lot of things people can have no challenges from like an add respectively, or just maybe they haven't quite learned those skills or hone those skills.

00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:29.760 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think all interesting stuff In fact we have our next commercial regular time flies and having fun i'm really amazed that we're the halfway mark, but I will say that.

00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:42.360 Eric Sarver, Esq.: i'm joined today by our guests Wendy Ellen here on employment law today when he's probably the three P, the one the ldp Academy, we come back we'll talk about you know some wendy's the how the tips that she.

00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:54.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: embarks on her clients had to organize as well as their unique philosophy and approach so stick around to implement a lot today here on talk radio nyc and we will be right back.

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00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:05.040 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick solver employment law attorney business law attorney.

00:32:05.370 --> 00:32:14.190 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and host of this show every week on Tuesdays at 5pm here today with my guest our guest Wendy Ellen workplace productivity consultant international speaker.

00:32:14.430 --> 00:32:25.200 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And number one best selling author of working from home how's that working for you, you know when it's funny I realized like that you in fact you have this book that you wrote a best selling book which I congratulate you on and.

00:32:25.830 --> 00:32:34.290 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I wanted to give you a chance to talk about that can you share some maybe perhaps some highlights from your book i'm interesting chapters, or do you want to talk about.

00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:36.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: She can find all the way.

00:32:37.590 --> 00:32:49.350 Wendy Ellin: Right, first of all I am I wrote the book in in July of 2020 so when a cove it happened, and the whole world went home to work I panicked for everybody in the world.

00:32:49.920 --> 00:33:01.950 Wendy Ellin: And literally said to my husband oh my God, I feel so sorry for so many people, because now, they have to work where they live, and if they live like a mess then they're working amongst it.

00:33:02.070 --> 00:33:04.110 Wendy Ellin: Oh, my God, how did they do that so.

00:33:05.130 --> 00:33:16.020 Wendy Ellin: I literally left home for a week and a friend of mines airbnb and I cranked out the book within a week and got it's number one bestseller shortly after that.

00:33:16.350 --> 00:33:16.890 Wendy Ellin: And really.

00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:27.090 Wendy Ellin: What the book does is it highlights the toolbox that I teach in a personal story so that everybody can relate to it.

00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:47.250 Wendy Ellin: But there's a personal story about physical clutter there's a client story about electronic clothes as a client story about running late and not being on time my stories that seek to every one of the issues that I that I work on relating to being organized.

00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:48.690 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah.

00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:57.060 Wendy Ellin: it's really relatable it's not just you get the takeaways you know exactly how to set up, whatever the system is i'm teaching you.

00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:59.700 Wendy Ellin: yeah but i'm teaching it.

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:06.570 Wendy Ellin: wrapped in a story of somebody who had that challenge, and how they've overcome it came it with my tool.

00:34:06.990 --> 00:34:08.280 Eric Sarver, Esq.: overcame it too yeah.

00:34:08.730 --> 00:34:10.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's something Wendy I gotta say.

00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:21.750 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think it's a great approach, but I think a people number one people reading it can maybe see themselves right ah those the clients, though the mentioned your story to say I recognize myself in that.

00:34:22.170 --> 00:34:34.110 Eric Sarver, Esq.: running late, you know the time and the frustration and then to see the sort of the solution in place to see them go from I guess from you know overwhelming to organize it borrow from our title of the show tonight.

00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:42.570 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think it's actually very motivational and i'm also struck with something you said about the book, you said well first off congratulations on your number one bestseller.

00:34:43.530 --> 00:34:49.260 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You mentioned that you know you're away for a week so airbnb kind of solitude and crank out in a week.

00:34:49.710 --> 00:34:57.420 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I do have to wonder if you were not an organized person, you know, would you be able to write a book in a week I think I mean I think what people would.

00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:08.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Where do I put this link where's this file, you know I can't find that clients email that story so good to know that you that you're walking the talk, as you said, you're only about one of your bosses, you know.

00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:12.360 Wendy Ellin: And you know i've been doing it for a long time.

00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:12.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah.

00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:23.160 Wendy Ellin: You know, we got like a my the way I live is so habitual in a good way I don't have to think about it, I literally packed by laptop and my monitor and my whiteboard.

00:35:23.370 --> 00:35:24.420 and

00:35:25.560 --> 00:35:33.930 Wendy Ellin: Little literally hold up at an airbnb I got up and I work from eight to eight, so I shut down I had food, I went to bed I got up in the morning, I did it again.

00:35:34.170 --> 00:35:38.550 Wendy Ellin: I did two chapters a day, sometimes three.

00:35:38.910 --> 00:35:41.010 Wendy Ellin: My just cranked it.

00:35:42.180 --> 00:35:48.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: was great like through the you know terrific these gotta get out there and get it out and onto the shelves and Is this something people can get a.

00:35:49.830 --> 00:35:52.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hard copy and electronic E book on Amazon or.

00:35:53.250 --> 00:35:58.920 Wendy Ellin: Everything on Amazon just Google Wendy Ellen or you can just put in working from home how's that working for you.

00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.790 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right right interesting again really something there you know.

00:36:03.870 --> 00:36:12.900 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think we're onto a really good topic people I think some of the topics that we cover systemic issues and problems that people often I find.

00:36:13.410 --> 00:36:21.120 Eric Sarver, Esq.: They need to hear why this issues important to them what are all the implications of that are the ramifications the hindrances.

00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:30.330 Eric Sarver, Esq.: If you aren't saved organizing or you aren't as a healthy or work life balance, I find on the show that my guests come on we'll tackle an issue.

00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:42.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And I think you know you've really telling us what the weight gain you know the depression of it, I wouldn't have tie that into disorganization maybe last time anxiety frustration short.

00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:52.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Time management loss of money, I could see people put something away, they can find it by another I bind listen headphones or by another X, you know, or like you know can't find that.

00:36:52.950 --> 00:37:00.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Item they had but you you bring out the problem, and then we talked about the solution, you know which is great, and I want to ask you about that solution in terms of.

00:37:01.740 --> 00:37:10.740 Eric Sarver, Esq.: How do you distinguish yourself from other productivity and organizational consultants like what unique philosophy and approach, do you take with your clients.

00:37:10.950 --> 00:37:14.220 Wendy Ellin: I approach my what I do with a little tough love.

00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:26.430 Wendy Ellin: If truth be told, i'm from New York i'm a little irreverent got a sense of humor i'm willing to make a joke i'm willing to make a joke about myself much less everybody else.

00:37:26.610 --> 00:37:27.090 Wendy Ellin: I never.

00:37:27.750 --> 00:37:30.780 Wendy Ellin: I never make anybody wrong for the way they for the way they live.

00:37:30.870 --> 00:37:31.170 Wendy Ellin: You know.

00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.880 Wendy Ellin: It doesn't matter to me, I only want this for you, if you want this for you.

00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:42.510 Wendy Ellin: yeah you're fine living amongst your clutter or your 10,000 emails in your inbox i'm fine it doesn't.

00:37:42.510 --> 00:37:44.040 Eric Sarver, Esq.: affect me sure.

00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:54.390 Wendy Ellin: I want this, if you want this, but I can share with you that if you want this, you can do it with my health and you can get to the other side of a transformed life.

00:37:55.410 --> 00:38:01.170 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And that you can be an employee a private individual it can be a company right.

00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:01.980 Wendy Ellin: hiring you know how to.

00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.890 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Transfer keep their their company in order.

00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:21.210 Wendy Ellin: So that's all about the three P academy so repeat academy is a program it's a learning journey it's an experience it's laid out in a model that says learn then do then inspire.

00:38:21.660 --> 00:38:29.070 Wendy Ellin: hmm though it's a learn do inspired model and you do it with other people in the organization.

00:38:29.190 --> 00:38:41.640 Wendy Ellin: they're going through the journey with you and you have an accountability partner and you're sharing about a tool, what you learned how you implemented what's working what's not working so it's really i'm.

00:38:42.660 --> 00:38:45.090 Wendy Ellin: A pretty high tech.

00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.140 Wendy Ellin: Look, I totally pushed me out of my comfort zone, because i'm not a technological person at all, but I got with the right people.

00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:59.880 Wendy Ellin: My content and then created micro learning sessions, none of the videos are longer than five minutes.

00:38:59.910 --> 00:39:15.210 Wendy Ellin: Really, there are five minutes segment videos of five minutes segments and it's meant to take over a course of eight to 12 weeks so it's not all at once, I don't want you to learn all my stuff at once it's too much information.

00:39:15.330 --> 00:39:15.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right.

00:39:15.990 --> 00:39:20.190 Wendy Ellin: Right, I want you to learn how to declutter your space first just declutter your space or.

00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:22.380 Wendy Ellin: Just means your mindset right.

00:39:23.070 --> 00:39:25.590 Wendy Ellin: right then take on the next tool.

00:39:25.710 --> 00:39:26.760 Wendy Ellin: and get that down.

00:39:26.850 --> 00:39:28.260 Wendy Ellin: And then add the next tool.

00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:38.280 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's interesting approach, I think it sort of i'm hearing you say you want your clients to have sort of a manageable bites manageable manageable chunks.

00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:48.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: and not get overwhelmed ironically if they're overwhelmed with the process of being less overwhelmed it's kind of not going to work i'm hearing you say.

00:39:48.450 --> 00:39:53.100 Wendy Ellin: And Eric nobody wants to sit on a video for 2030 minutes use them right.

00:39:53.700 --> 00:39:56.220 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Unless you're watching an episode of one world today.

00:39:56.580 --> 00:39:57.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: that's different.

00:39:57.870 --> 00:40:06.210 Wendy Ellin: Know get in and get out and say what you need to say i'm all about the net net net, I am not a backstory person on the fluff person.

00:40:06.390 --> 00:40:09.360 Wendy Ellin: You want to know how to do this i'm going to show you exactly what you need to do.

00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:17.040 Wendy Ellin: period, nothing more, nothing less and a lot of people learn easier when they're in bite size chunks yes.

00:40:18.180 --> 00:40:25.290 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah seems to be a trend, I noticed that people you know I will often have video marketing or sections of webinars I give and.

00:40:25.620 --> 00:40:35.880 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I try to edit it, I have my video editor work on it and she'll put it into two or three minutes segments say either a chunk or a piece of me getting a piece, and then kind of blend it together.

00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:42.630 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And people respond to those chunks more than sometimes the whole webinar the whole.

00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:53.040 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And some folks will stay on a webinar and then they'll hop off because it's just too much information and that's why for me to make it, you know interactive but to your point about these these micro session videos.

00:40:53.940 --> 00:41:03.840 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And over a 12 week period I think it's interesting, I think, also i'm hearing an organized approach to organize right, so you said start with the clutter start with the space.

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:11.370 Eric Sarver, Esq.: will be the next step to say there's somebody mastered well no one's perfect somewhat improved the clutter would it be the the electronic.

00:41:12.660 --> 00:41:14.610 Wendy Ellin: One where your pain is.

00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:21.810 Wendy Ellin: Yes, there is your pain, there are people that have a million emails in their inbox they're not many pain about it, they could care less right.

00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:32.130 Wendy Ellin: But they have lots of paper clutter around them, there are people who can't honor their word with their calendar they over schedule, they under deliver.

00:41:32.700 --> 00:41:45.540 Wendy Ellin: It feel bad and there they've got a bad reputation about it really it really depends on where the pain is when I do and when I do a productivity assessment, which is the first thing you do when you get into my three P Academy.

00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:55.860 Wendy Ellin: You basically do an assessment and you rate between one and 10 one being i'm a total mess then being I totally got this.

00:41:56.700 --> 00:42:10.320 Wendy Ellin: And then you go through the class and in between you do the assessment again to see your your numbers have gone up you might not be in pain, you might be the most on time human being in the planet, but everything else in your life is a mess.

00:42:10.530 --> 00:42:11.370 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right right.

00:42:11.790 --> 00:42:18.450 Wendy Ellin: So it really depends on where the pain is there were lots of issues that relate to why people are disorganized and I tackle all of them.

00:42:19.230 --> 00:42:27.120 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Interesting yeah it's a good approach, I think, so what i'm hearing is is not a one size fits all not a cookie cutter that maybe perhaps that's what did I distinguish you.

00:42:27.600 --> 00:42:40.020 Eric Sarver, Esq.: you're looking at it individually tailored approach and that's something I can respect, at least with employment law perspective in my clients, no, no to clients and get the same the same exact process is the same pain points.

00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:41.850 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So my struggle with you know the.

00:42:42.930 --> 00:42:52.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Direct Labor laws in farming, the wage in our issues, except others might have a challenge of, say, with you know employee last vacation but we work on you know what their pain points are as well.

00:42:53.580 --> 00:42:57.750 Eric Sarver, Esq.: So interesting to have that and I know we're offering that to say something.

00:42:57.990 --> 00:43:08.190 Wendy Ellin: But first, you have to find out what the pain is and that's part of the beginning that's part of the organizations being willing to ask and being willing to offer something like this for their employees.

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:10.020 Wendy Ellin: not making them wrong for it.

00:43:10.350 --> 00:43:17.340 Wendy Ellin: not expecting everyone's going to need it, but making it available and let people pull the tools from the box that they need to use.

00:43:17.850 --> 00:43:29.970 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Right so it's normalizing the situation for the employees right and then letting them know the tools are available and encourage them to speak openly if they struggle with you know say.

00:43:30.870 --> 00:43:40.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Under 10,000 emails let the Let that be known and they'll penalize them for oh you didn't check email, you know properly dispose of this is a problem, so.

00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:44.550 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I think it's important, I think I think it's I think it's very hard to learn.

00:43:45.060 --> 00:43:59.670 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Anything in an environment where somebody fears like punishment or being chastised or reprimanded you know I think guys have that open space for people to be able to share the extent of their problem to find a solution.

00:43:59.790 --> 00:44:12.030 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Absolutely yeah you don't want doing we actually at our next commercial break I mean actually did about 30 seconds i'll just take it now, so we can start a clean slate when we come back, but.

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00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:46.950 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Welcome back to employment law today i'm your host erick solver employment law attorney here with my guest Wendy Ellen a workplace productivity consultant.

00:46:47.850 --> 00:46:51.780 Eric Sarver, Esq.: really helps organizations, companies and people individually.

00:46:52.290 --> 00:47:04.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Tourism employees like and individuals go from overwhelm to organize and whatever that means for you time management clutter chaos and again when they were really learning a lot tonight, I must say, is it really brief have you on the show.

00:47:05.130 --> 00:47:13.470 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hey yeah sure thing you know I enjoy hearing about the process I think there's so much what we do is about people and processes and not about.

00:47:13.740 --> 00:47:23.190 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know, a one time a quick solution, you know or a quick fix and that's something I was an important on to my listeners and to employers be if you run a business.

00:47:23.640 --> 00:47:32.160 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You have to understand that, whatever the issue is whether it's employee relations or recruiting or employment law challenges or organization or cyber security.

00:47:32.610 --> 00:47:47.490 Eric Sarver, Esq.: there's a process involved and there's methods and such so with that I was wondering if you could perhaps share with us, perhaps the success story in the you know, one of the same like a company or client many companies and you help go from overwhelm to organize.

00:47:47.850 --> 00:47:51.540 Wendy Ellin: My God i've helped a ton of law firms, I must say.

00:47:51.630 --> 00:47:52.170 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Oh sure.

00:47:53.490 --> 00:47:58.350 Wendy Ellin: we're about to lose their job or they have to be taken off of a big client.

00:47:58.470 --> 00:48:06.240 Wendy Ellin: hmm because the client was not because the lawyer wasn't responsive wasn't returning phone calls wasn't returning phone calls was inundated.

00:48:06.450 --> 00:48:17.460 Wendy Ellin: yeah and I got him, it was a guy I got him to set up my systems and to follow them and I stayed with him and coach TIM and was on him until he started to.

00:48:18.870 --> 00:48:23.700 Wendy Ellin: started to see his habits changing and didn't need me anymore, and he kept his job.

00:48:24.450 --> 00:48:25.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: wow huge.

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.660 Wendy Ellin: I also I had a client that.

00:48:28.710 --> 00:48:33.360 Wendy Ellin: worked in a cubicle at a very important job that.

00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:45.570 Wendy Ellin: was really um could potentially have lost her job yeah and I flew out to Oklahoma city to work with her ever finished.

00:48:46.650 --> 00:48:51.840 Wendy Ellin: Because i'll go anywhere to work in anybody's space, if I need to whatever going to take and.

00:48:52.320 --> 00:49:00.120 Wendy Ellin: When I was finished, she was crying and I said tell me why you're lying, because I know it's a really emotional experience to go from where you went to where I just took you.

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:11.130 Wendy Ellin: Wendy now I can take a sick day and I said, what are you talking about she said, I could never take a sick day because I was always afraid that if I was absent, nobody would be able to find anything in my cubicle.

00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:15.990 Wendy Ellin: And all I kept thinking was oh my God, I could take a sick day, every day, if I came into that every day.

00:49:16.590 --> 00:49:21.450 Wendy Ellin: Not only did she take a sick day but very shortly after we work together, she got pregnant.

00:49:21.660 --> 00:49:26.460 Wendy Ellin: and was able to go on maternity leave with peace of mind, and I don't think it gets any better than that.

00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:34.080 Eric Sarver, Esq.: yeah that's like you know just a wonderful outcome right to be able to have peace of mind, as you talked about earlier in the show.

00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:38.280 Wendy Ellin: Nobody gives peace of mind to credit it deserves.

00:49:38.670 --> 00:49:39.870 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, right.

00:49:40.710 --> 00:49:43.020 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The value of that you can't put a price tag on.

00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.180 Eric Sarver, Esq.: The peace of mind, like that quality tense emotions.

00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:57.300 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I mean, I think it's interesting too that you know the Reagan became right change habits became instead of being self motivated for lack of better term.

00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:09.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: To use those organizational skills and you know i've met a lot of attorneys over the years, who don't return calls on time or misplaced trash or documents and working on a case now it can't say that of course name of the case or.

00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:16.560 Eric Sarver, Esq.: counsel or whatnot but it's like i've seen how you know different drafts get mislabeled and they.

00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:32.370 Eric Sarver, Esq.: send an old referral to tell them, this is the wrong graph we need this, and though they'll actually be advised the wrong address that to revise the draft and it's frustrating for me, if my co counsel, so I definitely see that happening in situations, you know.

00:50:32.430 --> 00:50:44.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A lot and I think it's really important people, but again people don't always credit to their organization that might say, well, I guess i'm just you know, made a mistake everyone's human or human but.

00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:48.540 Wendy Ellin: So here's the thing when you're disorganized Eric.

00:50:49.110 --> 00:50:50.700 Wendy Ellin: it's hard to pay attention.

00:50:51.570 --> 00:50:53.190 Wendy Ellin: You don't pay attention to those.

00:50:53.190 --> 00:50:55.980 Wendy Ellin: Details they don't get done correctly.

00:50:56.430 --> 00:51:05.460 Wendy Ellin: um so you know it's really about paying attention, giving attention to just what you're doing on right now i'm just talking to you on this interview.

00:51:05.700 --> 00:51:06.270 Wendy Ellin: Right i'm not.

00:51:06.600 --> 00:51:07.620 Wendy Ellin: Anything else.

00:51:08.370 --> 00:51:13.140 Wendy Ellin: Oh i'm not on my computer i'm not looking around just paying attention.

00:51:13.350 --> 00:51:21.390 Wendy Ellin: yeah when you're distracted because from clutter yeah you got stuff everywhere it's really hard to focus on one thing.

00:51:21.630 --> 00:51:35.940 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hmm so true yes, and I think what happens again is that people don't recognize that because it becomes such an ingrained habit, the way that a frog being boiled alive slowly and the water that gradually gets warmer.

00:51:36.990 --> 00:51:41.100 Eric Sarver, Esq.: or the way you know my analogy sort of a I think about if you ever have it's a.

00:51:41.730 --> 00:51:52.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: You know, a light fixture in your home, you know they partially burnt out so many with two or three both lamp one bulb undiscussed dimmer and another one, and then you go and you're changing light bulbs.

00:51:53.130 --> 00:51:58.680 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And you realize that you had a dark let's say dead or room for a bit for the graduate diminishment of light.

00:51:59.190 --> 00:52:10.410 Eric Sarver, Esq.: One and then two stages of diminished light and then you realize wow this looks so bright and that's what it always was, but you kind of got you know that's it, I think, maybe along these lines right of getting organized and.

00:52:10.710 --> 00:52:12.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I give it to see the difference you.

00:52:12.150 --> 00:52:13.710 Eric Sarver, Esq.: know very much.

00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:16.470 Wendy Ellin: feel it it's not just a see it's a feeling.

00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:30.300 Wendy Ellin: Yes, I have a feeling about the way I live my life I have no stress I have more joy i'm relaxed on that tight it's a feeling and that's how people recognize things, by the way they make it makes them feel.

00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:37.440 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Sure, and then that carries over, as you pointed out in their home when they're in their work phase right in the workforce, and I think.

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:37.860 Eric Sarver, Esq.: That.

00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:46.650 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I know this topic, I think, is timely because you know the whole work from home and hybrid situation that people are finding themselves and there's a lot more.

00:52:47.040 --> 00:52:52.620 Eric Sarver, Esq.: of that kind of internal that clutter and chaos and the lack of it's a delineation of home from work.

00:52:52.860 --> 00:53:00.750 Eric Sarver, Esq.: every kind of mishmash together that just becomes overwhelming, so I think it's great that we're having this you know conversation today about this topic absolutely.

00:53:01.680 --> 00:53:15.720 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Yes, for sure, did you have to fly out to other cities and stuff to do this work to try something must be one of the venture to get on a plane and know that you're you know wanted to come in to a whole other state, I mean that's really.

00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:18.690 Wendy Ellin: yeah I mean organizations fly me all over the place.

00:53:18.870 --> 00:53:19.350 hmm.

00:53:20.430 --> 00:53:21.150 Eric Sarver, Esq.: all the time.

00:53:21.540 --> 00:53:26.520 Eric Sarver, Esq.: um it's it's terrific and say no, I think it shows how much does it need.

00:53:27.750 --> 00:53:33.510 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Not just the service but for your unique skill set right that they were going to because you get from sure fine.

00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:41.730 Eric Sarver, Esq.: consultants or organizers in Oklahoma but they want you for your work and your expertise so that's something that I think is always always a flattering thing when somebody.

00:53:42.030 --> 00:53:51.540 Eric Sarver, Esq.: I know if we have a client recommend me to another client or a company says, you know we spoke with whether we penalize you want you to work on this manifest this case at every have.

00:53:52.020 --> 00:54:06.120 Eric Sarver, Esq.: A special feeling, I think, so I think it's like the combination of passion and love of what we do and that's like I think a great thing if you're listening tonight you know I know that your passion, if you apply that in a focused way can really pay off.

00:54:06.510 --> 00:54:20.430 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Absolutely him, you know when we're not done yet we have a few minutes and I shall usually the last say three minutes to have a getting talked about you any any same events that may be happening for them any kind of.

00:54:21.450 --> 00:54:31.470 Eric Sarver, Esq.: New books emotions or workshop and going to be giving or the website, how they can reach you so I thought i'd do is maybe say put about two minutes here.

00:54:32.640 --> 00:54:38.610 Eric Sarver, Esq.: out to you and say, the floor is yours, you know what would you like to share with our audience takeaways website and.

00:54:39.180 --> 00:54:43.230 Wendy Ellin: I think the most important thing is to is to realize this number one.

00:54:43.950 --> 00:54:52.200 Wendy Ellin: You can do this anyone that's out there that's listening this disorganized you can do this now sometimes you need help Look, we all hire help for different things in our life.

00:54:52.560 --> 00:55:02.580 Wendy Ellin: This is one of those things if that if you don't have these skills, you can learn these skills and you might want to consider talking to someone, even if it's not me about how to get help.

00:55:03.270 --> 00:55:15.180 Wendy Ellin: Number two if you're in an organization that you think could really use this help or that you want to be that organization that's willing to offer this to your employees.

00:55:16.470 --> 00:55:17.850 Wendy Ellin: it's a game changer.

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:27.720 Wendy Ellin: Not only does it set you apart from your competitors you're going to get the best out of your people, by giving them a toolbox for them to use.

00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.580 Wendy Ellin: In their everyday life.

00:55:30.150 --> 00:55:30.510 Right.

00:55:31.680 --> 00:55:43.680 Wendy Ellin: So that's really the most important thing um I can be found on when do that's The easiest way to know where you get me Wendy Ellen w E and D y El l I n calm.

00:55:44.550 --> 00:55:53.010 Wendy Ellin: My three P academy is on there, I do what I the way i'm introducing my 3D academy to lots of organizations is by doing a workshop to introduce the content.

00:55:53.340 --> 00:56:04.920 Wendy Ellin: To them i'm a pilot program so i'm doing lots of pilot programs all over the country right i'm probably going to bring back my live retreat in the fall.

00:56:05.580 --> 00:56:19.110 Wendy Ellin: organizational boot camp it's mainly targeted to entrepreneurs that that really want to basically come to Atlanta for three days and surrender to me, and let me change their every aspect of the way they live with.

00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:20.940 Wendy Ellin: Other people that have that challenge it's.

00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:22.440 Wendy Ellin: Really, a fabulous event.

00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.800 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And that's in the coming fall 2022 yep.

00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:27.600 Wendy Ellin: that's going to be in the fall 2022.

00:56:28.470 --> 00:56:38.820 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Excellent website any of your upcoming events, really, you have a good sense of what people can take away from the Shell and those takeaways is really important to you yeah well any great stuff here really.

00:56:39.270 --> 00:56:49.350 Eric Sarver, Esq.: good to have this topic of organization productivity and the reboot so you know I want to say, I want to thank you for joining us tonight sharing this topic that I think.

00:56:49.590 --> 00:56:56.700 Eric Sarver, Esq.: People can relate to an individual and organizational or nationwide level I think it's really you know something to have.

00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:06.810 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Experts such as yourself talk about these issues and challenges that the problem but also solution so really appreciate that you know also say to our audience tonight, if you want to.

00:57:07.170 --> 00:57:13.020 Eric Sarver, Esq.: hear the show we're on spotify apple podcast Google play and, of course, targeted nyc.

00:57:13.470 --> 00:57:23.640 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And if you like, what you heard and you like the show tune in Tuesday nights at 5pm 6pm here on talk radio that nyc and also tell your friends or your colleagues to your clients, you know time to tune in.

00:57:24.750 --> 00:57:36.390 Eric Sarver, Esq.: And also, you can hear other great live shows on the station so i'm Eric Sabra host of the plan a lot today, thank you all for being here and joining us, and thank you, when we for your excellent engaging discussion.

00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:37.500 Wendy Ellin: My pleasure.

00:57:37.830 --> 00:57:39.240 Eric Sarver, Esq.: Have a great night, thank you.

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