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Facebook Live Video from 2022/05/03 - Forging a Blacksmithing Career in the Smoky Mountains

Facebook Live Video from 2022/05/03 - Forging a Blacksmithing Career in the Smoky Mountains


2022/05/03 - Forging a Blacksmithing Career in the Smoky Mountains

[NEW EPISODE] Forging a Blacksmithing Career in the Smoky Mountains

In today's episode, you will learn about the art of blacksmithing and metalworking in the Smoky Mountains. 

Matthew Sirey is an Award-winning Blacksmith and Metalworking Artist who has resided in Sylva, N.C. for over 15 years. A native of Pennsylvania, Matthew has been a full-time craftsman since 2017 and the Owner of Shira Forge since 2005. 

Matthew was also the winner of the 2022 season premiere of the History Channel hit television show –Forged in Fire! He will discuss what it means to be a blacksmith in the 21st century and see how he forged his career out of metal at an early age.




Tune in for this fun conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Joseph Franklin McElroy kicks off the show by mentioning the sponsor of the show, which is of course his own, the Meadowlark Motel and also Some upcoming events at the motel include this weekend, May 6th through the 8th called Wildcrafting and Mother Nature’s natural garden program honoring women empowerment and celebrating Mother’s Day. The poem Joseph reads to us today is by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow called The Village Blacksmith. The poem talks about being proud of the things you've done in your life and being a role model. He introduces his guest, Matthew Shirey, owner of Shira Forge since 2005. Matthew grew up in Pennsylvania and went to college there as well. He also spent time in Montana and Oregon. He wasn't sure what he wanted to do, but he did know that he wanted to do blacksmithing as his career. At one point, he threw whatever he could in the back of his van and traveled to Waynesville, North Carolina when an opportunity came up from a friend who needed a blacksmith. Before this, he spent several years working with kids, different faculties, did carpentry work, washed dishes in kitchens and more.

Segment 2

Matthew got into archeology and history while in highschool which got him interested in blacksmithing. He walked into a heritage center in his hometown where they had a blacksmithing class. He spent a weekend one summer doing this and knew this was what he wanted to do for his career. Shirey says that it's the magic of forging, getting a steel pot and being able to manipulate it. He also has always had an obsession with knives and metal and what you can create with them. Shirey talks about blacksmithing in the 18th and 19th century as well as today. He mostly learned a lot on his own through books, going to other blacksmiths, picking their brains, and the use of the internet. Shirey mentions Herschel, Frank, and John, otherwise known as the House Brothers, as influences. They make flintlock rifles, knives, axes and other early American tools. Shirey’s main focus of what he makes are knives, axes, and carbon steel frying pans. He also explains the difference between carbon steel pans and cast iron pans. Carbon steel pans are super strong and have a little more advantage in various ways.

Segment 3

Shirey talks a bit about his business, Shira Forge and not going into it full-time until about 2017. He mentions that he had a teaching job with Southwestern Community College and was enjoying it. He also worked as a welder and carpenter. Shirey also talks about the name of his business which is paying homage to his ancestors as well as being a part of the show Forged in the Fire on the History Channel in season 9. He applied twice to be in the show and was able to be a part of the show in 2021. In the show, there are three rounds of competition and 4 bladesmiths. The first round, you would have three hours to forge and heat treat a knife within whatever challenge was set forth. The second round for Shirey, he had to put a handle and guard on a knife with a limited time frame. The final two competitors would go home to their own shop for a couple of days and forge whatever weapon was given for them as a challenge. The judges would look at not only the aesthetic of tools but also the functionality. The grand prize was 10,000 dollars which has allowed Shirey to invest in his business and own tools.

Segment 4

Shirey talks about wanting to get back into teaching such as maybe offering small workshops in his shop and reconnecting with other schools around the country. He may also be interested in creating YouTube videos as well. In the Great Smoky Mountains, Shirey likes to hunt and fish and just be outside whenever possible. In Sylva, he enjoys eating at the Guadalupe Café. Joseph also talks with Shirey about his favorite entertainment places to visit. They also talk about a celebration for Shirey’s win on the competition show which was held at the Lazy Hiker Taproom in Sylva. Shirey thanks Joseph for bringing him on the show to share his passion. You can find more about Matthew Shirey and his work at, and on Instagram at shiraforge.


00:00:40.710 --> 00:00:42.060 Joseph McElroy: howdy welcome to.

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00:05:37.770 --> 00:05:49.500 Joseph McElroy: upcoming events at the festival grounds is march 13 and 14th there's the icons of hot rodding festival well you'll get 50s and 60s hot Rod and custom cars truck events events for.

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00:06:09.630 --> 00:06:27.510 Joseph McElroy: About about thats related to the content of the show that we're gonna be doing and I found one is by Henry wadsworth longfellow who's around for making their 718 82 and it's called the village blacksmith but you know it's i'm also.

00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:45.300 Joseph McElroy: It talks about you know it also talks a lot about do you know have lived life and to be proud of your accomplishments and the things that you've done and work every day with a pride in that you know and some of that I, you know I spent 27 years in New York.

00:06:46.350 --> 00:06:52.290 Joseph McElroy: You know, doing a lot of things there and a mouse seasons come where i'm moving back to North Carolina.

00:06:52.890 --> 00:07:03.210 Joseph McElroy: And will be full time in the smoky mountain area now we're actually gonna be living in nashville and somehow this spoke to me as well, so let me tell tell you about this poem is.

00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:17.430 Joseph McElroy: Under a spreading chestnut tree the village smithy scans the Smith, a mighty man is he with large and some new hands and the muscles of his body arms are strong as iron back.

00:07:18.330 --> 00:07:28.350 Joseph McElroy: His hair is Chris and black and long in the spaces, like the tan his brow is wet with honest, what he earns where he can.

00:07:29.190 --> 00:07:44.880 Joseph McElroy: I looks the whole world, in the face for He owes not any man weekend, week out from morning till night, you can hear his bellows blow, we can hear him swing is heavy sleds with measured beat and slow.

00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:50.160 Joseph McElroy: Like a sexton ring the village bell when the evening sun is low.

00:07:50.610 --> 00:08:04.710 Joseph McElroy: And children coming home from school look in at that open door they love to see that flaming forge and hear the bellows roar and catch the burning sparks that fly like shake from a threshing floor.

00:08:05.580 --> 00:08:18.720 Joseph McElroy: It goes on Sunday, to the church and sits amongst his boys he hears the parson pray and he hears his daughters boys sing in the choir and it makes his heart rejoice.

00:08:19.170 --> 00:08:32.490 Joseph McElroy: It sounds to him, like his mother's voice singing paradox he needs must think of her once more how in the grave she lives and with his heart and he wipes a tear out of his.

00:08:33.870 --> 00:08:48.030 Joseph McElroy: coiling rejoicing sorrowing onward life, he goes each morning see some tasks begin each evening sees it cloaks something attempted something done.

00:08:49.110 --> 00:09:11.160 Joseph McElroy: has earned a nice repose thanks thanks to to be my worthy friend or the left, the lesson that has taught in that taught verse of the flaming ford's of life, our fortunes must be rocked dusts on it sounding and those shapes it's burning the thought.

00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.210 Joseph McElroy: So, today our guest is Matthew sherry sherry.

00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.930 Joseph McElroy: I got it was an award winning blacksmith and metal working.

00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:32.610 Joseph McElroy: artists who is live resided in silver North Carolina for the last 15 years and native of Pennsylvania Matthew has been a full time craftsman since 2017.

00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:47.370 Joseph McElroy: And owner of sheer afford since 2005 is a member of the American blades Mr of society and dependent that tended to john C Campbell folks school independent school crap yeah, both of which we mentioned in this program before.

00:09:48.330 --> 00:09:56.730 Joseph McElroy: and breaking news use also the winner of the 2022 season nine premiere of the history channel's shit show forged in five.

00:09:58.170 --> 00:10:09.330 Joseph McElroy: Is your night unique styles, the result of studying 18th and 19th century iron working culture cook cutlery combining the lessons learned before doing all this products literally by hand.

00:10:10.290 --> 00:10:21.690 Joseph McElroy: And when he was in creating major function art in any shape he enjoys spending time outdoors with his wife and notable silver silver silver photographer in the future Hello Matthew.

00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:23.910 Joseph McElroy: hi how are you doing today.

00:10:23.970 --> 00:10:24.900 Terri Clark: i'm doing great.

00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:39.930 Joseph McElroy: yeah well you know, obviously we were talking about your recent national TV show, but I want to explore what you've done before that, because I think the richness of your life is more important than the transit glory of a media these days.

00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:42.300 Joseph McElroy: But congrats on that.

00:10:43.590 --> 00:10:48.360 Joseph McElroy: So let's talk about your journey, you came from Pennsylvania, where were in Pennsylvania.

00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:55.620 Terri Clark: And I grew up in a little village called may for in clarion county Pennsylvania, is the western part of the state.

00:10:56.850 --> 00:10:59.010 Terri Clark: Is kind of the northern tip of appalachia.

00:11:00.780 --> 00:11:06.180 Joseph McElroy: cool and where did you where did you what was your What was your journey from there where did you go.

00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:11.190 Terri Clark: out your pencil my gosh I went I went to college right there and clarion county kind of.

00:11:12.270 --> 00:11:15.990 Terri Clark: was in and out of school a few times and then.

00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:23.970 Terri Clark: I made a couple journeys out West spend a little time in Montana, and then lived in Oregon for about a year and a half and.

00:11:25.110 --> 00:11:28.800 Terri Clark: That kind of fell through for me and I moved back to Pennsylvania and.

00:11:30.150 --> 00:11:38.790 Terri Clark: I was kind of in limbo didn't really know what I was going to do, I just knew at that point, I set my sights on blacksmith thing as a career and.

00:11:39.900 --> 00:11:47.520 Terri Clark: A friend of mine worked at Camp Daniel boone down here in waynesville North Carolina and he called me up and said hey if you're looking for work, they.

00:11:47.970 --> 00:11:58.650 Terri Clark: They have an 18th century living history program called boots bro village and their blacksmith bail out at the last minute, and they need someone in four days to be down here and ready to work for the summer.

00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:04.770 Terri Clark: And so I threw my forge and anvil and everything I had in the back minivan and cruise on down here.

00:12:05.520 --> 00:12:08.640 Joseph McElroy: Well it's that that was an opportune moment for you huh.

00:12:09.060 --> 00:12:11.220 Terri Clark: yeah yeah it's pretty serendipitous.

00:12:11.310 --> 00:12:12.570 Joseph McElroy: Oh cool and.

00:12:13.680 --> 00:12:23.490 Joseph McElroy: So before that you, you you just you found your calling is a blacksmith he didn't really have a career, other than so your your your focus has been what you've achieved all right.

00:12:24.390 --> 00:12:31.230 Terri Clark: yeah I spent a number of years working with kids and different different faculties and.

00:12:32.580 --> 00:12:40.050 Terri Clark: You know wash dishes in kitchens and did carpentry work and did you know did whatever I do pay the bills until till.

00:12:40.590 --> 00:12:43.050 Joseph McElroy: The other any other crafts, that you explored.

00:12:44.190 --> 00:12:59.310 Terri Clark: A i've done a lot of woodworking as well, I was, I was a shop teacher for six years before I made the jump into smithing full time, and so I did a lot of wind turning on the lane and got into building some banjos and you know I built.

00:13:00.450 --> 00:13:07.770 Terri Clark: an addition on our House and some other you know some other carpentry framing kind of work so we've done a lot of what as well cool.

00:13:08.280 --> 00:13:17.040 Joseph McElroy: Well we're yeah I talked to a lot in this first segment, so now we have to explore how you came to black smithing and the next slide which we're going to take a break right now okay.

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00:15:33.030 --> 00:15:40.530 Joseph McElroy: out a, this is a Joseph Franklin back boy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast and my guest Matthew surely so.

00:15:41.490 --> 00:15:59.370 Joseph McElroy: Some of you know that I like to often have a beer craft beer local craft beer when i'm on the shows, and today I am having an IPA called king of the mountain from local brewery here and haywood county called buju brewery and I, I recommend it highly it's really it's kind of good.

00:16:00.690 --> 00:16:03.540 Joseph McElroy: And matt are you drinking water, you got something else that.

00:16:03.780 --> 00:16:04.920 Terri Clark: i've got a cup of tea.

00:16:05.550 --> 00:16:06.000 Okay.

00:16:09.330 --> 00:16:13.260 Joseph McElroy: So you have a story about how you became interested in and.

00:16:14.730 --> 00:16:19.650 Joseph McElroy: In vaccinating attended a workshop at a State farm state park near your hometown.

00:16:20.670 --> 00:16:33.300 Terri Clark: yeah I had a in high school I got into the living history experimental archaeology stuff you know dressing like a frontiersman of the 1800s shooting flintlock rifles and that stuff.

00:16:33.900 --> 00:16:43.230 Terri Clark: And so that got me interested in blacksmith thing and I started looking locally for anybody that could teach me anything and help me get get go and and.

00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:57.870 Terri Clark: I happen to walk into like a heritage Center and cook for a state park and Northwest Pennsylvania, and they have some classes going on that summer and it just so happened they had a weekend blacksmith and class with a couple local blacksmiths and.

00:16:58.890 --> 00:17:12.720 Terri Clark: So I signed up and showed up and spend the weekend standing out in the hot sun fortune away and pretty much knew at the end of that weekend that this was something I had to do, and hopefully would someday be able to do it for a living and.

00:17:13.770 --> 00:17:18.720 Terri Clark: One of the one of the blacksmith that taught the class ended up calling me a week or two later he scored.

00:17:19.590 --> 00:17:39.090 Terri Clark: An old champion hand crank riveters forge and was nice enough to give it to me from 50 bucks when it was worth probably 200, and so I got home and set that up and somebody else gave me an anvil they had sitting in a barn forever and I that was it I bought a bag Nicole and started forging.

00:17:39.600 --> 00:17:50.010 Joseph McElroy: fabulous So what do you think you know you said you had been would would work or two is that the hands on what what separated from doing woodwork what what made it your life's calling.

00:17:51.600 --> 00:18:01.500 Terri Clark: I think, just the magic of forging you know just just getting that steel pod and being able to manipulate it install it and shape it into whatever I wanted.

00:18:01.860 --> 00:18:08.010 Terri Clark: and make something functional and I just, you know as long as I can remember, I always had an obsession with knives.

00:18:08.370 --> 00:18:22.560 Terri Clark: And one you know was always trying to make when my dad shop, when I was a kid and whatnot frying and old files and saw blades and stuff so just you know woodworking is fine there's a lot of things I like about what but metals just were attacked for me.

00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:29.790 Joseph McElroy: But you know I can understand I you know, besides being a businessman right i've actually been an artist as well you know a few pieces here and there.

00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:40.050 Joseph McElroy: But the thing that was the essence, for me, was learning to really draw you know, and I tried lots of other things, but I started learning to draw and lots of media and I just felt.

00:18:40.710 --> 00:18:55.170 Joseph McElroy: I felt like a real pleasant pleasant emotional experience when I just was let myself get lost in that sort of right brain left brain dichotomy and and you know it's almost like there's a you get a buzz.

00:18:56.610 --> 00:19:04.860 Joseph McElroy: Right, so I you know when you find your medium, you know it's it's a it's like a seeing in your blood right.

00:19:05.100 --> 00:19:20.220 Terri Clark: yeah yeah getting in that creative zone, you know the rest of the world kind of disappears and and you know I find myself up with a shot, two or three hours will go by and i'm kind of unaware of it, you know completely immersed in the process and and kind of lose myself, you know.

00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:28.290 Joseph McElroy: But it's interesting somebody could walk in and you bet you when you're in that phase and then start talking to you, and you can look at them and you can't even understand what they're saying.

00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:29.610 Terri Clark: yeah sometimes.

00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:37.890 Joseph McElroy: Right it's like it takes a second for you to switch your consciousness, so that you could actually you know speaking the language.

00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.890 Terri Clark: Man yeah i've got to help her one day week and.

00:19:42.300 --> 00:19:55.110 Terri Clark: Sometimes I run them out of their little earlier than I intended to you because I just need to have the space to myself and not have the distraction, you know and not have that kind of need to communicate I just I just need to be able to like focus on what i'm doing.

00:19:56.550 --> 00:20:03.120 Joseph McElroy: So that you say you I mean I read that you focus of your focus sort of like 18th century blacks moving right.

00:20:04.140 --> 00:20:11.100 Joseph McElroy: Is that different than 1920 century blacks birthday or there's it was just the tools or what what is it.

00:20:11.820 --> 00:20:18.000 Terri Clark: Well, you know I use modern tools i've got a hydraulic press and power hammer and belt Sander and all of that.

00:20:18.540 --> 00:20:27.780 Terri Clark: i'm not you know not doing everything in 18th century manner, but a lot of the process is still the same as it was hundreds of years ago, I mean i'm still.

00:20:28.230 --> 00:20:43.050 Terri Clark: You know, forging and doing a lot of the same stuff and I think ultimately i'm a lot of times i'm trying to make things that fit into that time period are period direct for that time period and authentic for that time period.

00:20:44.520 --> 00:20:51.750 Joseph McElroy: So you went to I saw you with some really good craft schools is that how you learn or did you also learn a lot on your own.

00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:54.720 Terri Clark: I have mostly learned, on my own.

00:20:54.810 --> 00:21:04.350 Terri Clark: As a bigger yeah when I started, you know the Internet was kind of a new thing at our fingertips, and so I started digging on there and.

00:21:04.830 --> 00:21:15.270 Terri Clark: Any books, I could find on blacksmith and I was reading, and you know when I lived in Oregon I kind of found a couple of local blacksmith and just started hanging out of their shop and.

00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:21.510 Terri Clark: Picking their brains as much as I could, but you know, mostly just hours and hours at the forge stumbling through it.

00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:29.460 Terri Clark: You know i've got i've got scrapped knives and X is laying everywhere that are failure, you know failed attempts.

00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:39.480 Terri Clark: Then you know when I when I moved here, I was here for a few years and took a class in school and a pen land, and you know, I was pretty.

00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:44.970 Terri Clark: Pretty established as a blacksmith by then, but those those classes definitely.

00:21:46.320 --> 00:21:49.050 Terri Clark: You know, improve my capabilities quite a bit.

00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:59.580 Joseph McElroy: They give you they give you your classes help you get into some specific texting techniques that that other people spent that time that you did on yours.

00:21:59.670 --> 00:22:07.770 Joseph McElroy: Right and you don't have to spend that time, but you know you have a specific the board or it could give you an idea of what you need to do for certain pieces that you're working on.

00:22:08.130 --> 00:22:15.750 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah so that's cool do you have any influences that you consider important to you.

00:22:18.810 --> 00:22:20.130 Joseph McElroy: there's influences.

00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:21.990 Terri Clark: say that again.

00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:24.600 Joseph McElroy: mentors or influences, you know.

00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:30.360 Terri Clark: I again grown up with an interest in early American frontier stuff.

00:22:31.410 --> 00:22:36.720 Terri Clark: I don't know if you're familiar with the House brothers out of woodbury Kentucky herschel frank and john.

00:22:37.650 --> 00:22:54.000 Terri Clark: They they make flintlock rifles and knives and axes and kind of the whole gamut of early American tools and their work was always really inspiring to me again when I was in high school I discovered the fox fire books.

00:22:54.360 --> 00:22:54.720 Joseph McElroy: Oh yeah.

00:22:56.190 --> 00:23:00.630 Terri Clark: Those those have been a an endless resource to me and a source of inspiration.

00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:20.730 Terri Clark: I outside of the the early American kind of stuff I got into the work of our paley alive, when I first got started on his early stuff you know I did some architectural iron work for a while do engaged in fireplace screens and stuff and so His work was always really inspiring to me.

00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:24.570 Joseph McElroy: Well, it will come and what was the first thing you made.

00:23:25.770 --> 00:23:29.580 Terri Clark: The first thing I made it that workshop was a fork and a little bracelet.

00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:31.050 Joseph McElroy: Did you still have them.

00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:32.820 Terri Clark: I do not know.

00:23:32.910 --> 00:23:36.690 Terri Clark: Oh, I have no idea where those ended up, I actually may have them.

00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:38.370 Terri Clark: Somewhere but I don't know where they're at.

00:23:38.820 --> 00:23:41.220 Joseph McElroy: With one of the first things that you made it to still have.

00:23:42.600 --> 00:23:43.230 Terri Clark: gosh.

00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:50.130 Terri Clark: I still have a couple knives I made years ago that I don't think I would let see the light of day.

00:23:52.080 --> 00:24:02.850 Joseph McElroy: Listen i'm you know i'm sitting in a room in the motel where i've put a lot of my old artworks and you know I look at it there's like this stuff is sucks but you know.

00:24:04.860 --> 00:24:11.760 Joseph McElroy: it's also my private history now so it's like I also remember the fun I had from discovering things from it so.

00:24:12.030 --> 00:24:18.750 Joseph McElroy: Right yeah so yeah you didn't want it to get out of here and the commandment is burning when I die.

00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:19.800 Terri Clark: Here right.

00:24:22.320 --> 00:24:24.630 Joseph McElroy: So do you remember the first item, you so.

00:24:28.050 --> 00:24:39.840 Terri Clark: I think I think the first thing I ever sold was a friend of mine, asked me to make a dinner triangle, she wanted to hang and dinner triangle on the porch and I remember it being.

00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.460 Terri Clark: quite a bit lower on the bar than I was aiming for.

00:24:45.810 --> 00:24:48.420 Terri Clark: But she she still was kind enough to pay me for it.

00:24:52.290 --> 00:24:56.460 Joseph McElroy: The first time I ever saw was my dad had a you know somebody that was from.

00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:07.290 Joseph McElroy: Some car company and they wanted a little painting on a thing in their kitchen on the thing going over the sink, so I made it I got paid for it was like wow yeah.

00:25:09.030 --> 00:25:11.010 Joseph McElroy: They actually put it up, they actually put it up.

00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:18.150 Joseph McElroy: I was like dumbstruck that they actually thought it was worthwhile putting it up so that was fun.

00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:20.880 Joseph McElroy: So um.

00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.480 Joseph McElroy: What is the, what are the types of stuff that you make right now.

00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:33.480 Terri Clark: I am focus mainly on knives axes and carbon steel frying camps.

00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:42.570 Terri Clark: that's really like I said I got into doing architectural iron work for a little bit I kind of thought that was where I needed to go to make a living at it and.

00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.420 Terri Clark: A friend of mine who I think you've had on here, David brew and.

00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:53.490 Terri Clark: He said listen, I spent most of my career doing architectural II of work, and I wish i'd spent most of that time making knowledge and access.

00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:03.210 Terri Clark: And he said, do do what you love and you know it'll it'll come to fruition don't don't get boxed into doing something that's going to make you miserable.

00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:15.120 Terri Clark: And so I kind of stepped away from the architectural ironwork a few years ago and start focusing on knives Max is and got into making these Brian hands, because I saw that there was a market for it and.

00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:18.240 Terri Clark: I have no regrets, I really.

00:26:19.320 --> 00:26:26.190 Terri Clark: You know I think about still doing our textual iron work I wouldn't enjoy it anymore, and I wouldn't you know I wouldn't be happy doing it so.

00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:41.280 Joseph McElroy: Why would, I have a question, you know i've gotten interested in campfires and campfire cooking and you know cast iron cooking but i've been i've been intrigued by the carbon steel stuff what's the difference between the carbon steel pans in the cast iron pan.

00:26:42.090 --> 00:26:52.440 Terri Clark: The main difference is the the creative process, you know cast iron is just that it's desire and it's been melted and forward into form and cast.

00:26:53.970 --> 00:27:03.570 Terri Clark: It tends to be you know more brittle than carbon steel cast iron pans can break, whereas carbon steel they're they're forced to shape.

00:27:04.620 --> 00:27:18.690 Terri Clark: You could throw them against a brick wall and they are not going to break I mean they're they're super strong functionally speaking they're very similar my pants are probably a little lighter compared to the same size as cat and cast iron and.

00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:33.960 Terri Clark: I think the biggest advantage my pants have over cast iron is a longer handle so it doesn't it'll get warm and we'll get hot if you're cooking Heidi but, for the most part, you don't ever need another name for it and they're a little thinner and smoother than cast iron as well.

00:27:34.110 --> 00:27:38.040 Joseph McElroy: Can you saute with a cast with carbon steel pan.

00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:39.420 Terri Clark: Day.

00:27:39.540 --> 00:27:44.370 Joseph McElroy: make you can see her it's hard to do it in a cast iron to do when you go shake it and all that stuff.

00:27:44.490 --> 00:27:45.660 Joseph McElroy: Right every right.

00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.750 Terri Clark: yeah yeah that's something little handles hard to get Ahold of in.

00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:49.860 Terri Clark: My Nice.

00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:55.080 Terri Clark: curve handled, and you can get that I can't do, but if you can do the flip you can do these.

00:27:55.620 --> 00:28:00.240 Joseph McElroy: You know i'm six foot five 300 pounds I got a little bit strange, but still even tough for me now.

00:28:00.570 --> 00:28:01.110 Terri Clark: So yeah.

00:28:02.610 --> 00:28:07.050 Joseph McElroy: Well, listen, we got to take another break we'll come back we'll talk more about your art the things that you've done.

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00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:22.650 Joseph McElroy: howdy this is Joseph Franklin McElroy back with the gateway to the smokies podcast Mike and Mike yes Matthew sherry so Matthew.

00:30:23.580 --> 00:30:39.600 Joseph McElroy: I was reading on your website you you formed here forge in 2005 but you didn't actually go to in full time in 2017 so imagine having kids yeah things like that it took a while for the business build up is that the reason you to get to be able to full time with that.

00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:55.200 Terri Clark: yeah and in through the bulk of that time I had a teaching job with Southwestern Community college, I was teaching shop and local high school and yeah it was a really good job and I enjoyed it and so there's there's no reason to give it up and then.

00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:07.110 Terri Clark: One day, the funding for a dried up and things changed, and I was out the door, so I spent a year or two working as a welder and as a carpenter and.

00:31:07.800 --> 00:31:16.980 Terri Clark: I was driving all the way up to cashers every day and I was kind of sick of that so I said, you know what i've got a sharp here that I can I can make a living in and so I took the leap.

00:31:17.970 --> 00:31:22.890 Joseph McElroy: let's grab as I saw you one different you got lots of different recognition recognition somebody should go to your.

00:31:23.340 --> 00:31:34.770 Joseph McElroy: Your website we'll talk about that the end see that all the pressure God you've done some fabulous thing that I think it's pretty inspiring for anybody wanting to be in the craft a world that you can actually make a living at it right.

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:38.880 Joseph McElroy: yeah so so you.

00:31:39.990 --> 00:31:43.290 Joseph McElroy: So what is where did the name shira forged come from.

00:31:44.310 --> 00:31:45.600 Terri Clark: shire forge and.

00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:47.640 Terri Clark: Sorry sorry that's okay.

00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:51.720 Terri Clark: it's the original spelling of my last name.

00:31:52.860 --> 00:32:05.970 Terri Clark: my ancestors have been in western Pennsylvania, since the late 1700s and you know, over time, that name got changed to sherry, but the original spelling a few hundred years ago, was shy right so.

00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:11.400 Terri Clark: You know i've always been really fascinated with my ancestry and one on so it was kind of a.

00:32:12.690 --> 00:32:14.250 Terri Clark: paying homage to my ancestors.

00:32:14.970 --> 00:32:18.120 Joseph McElroy: that's fabulous so you say your name I started saying the shire right.

00:32:18.450 --> 00:32:25.950 Joseph McElroy: mm hmm yeah you know I get these I get you know Bob who's the head of the smoky mountain.

00:32:28.770 --> 00:32:46.230 Joseph McElroy: Mountain heritage Center for the metal art, you know introduces me to people and provides you know the background information and sometimes I don't have the time because, like right now i'm moving into actual I don't get to do the research on your name, so I apologize for not correct.

00:32:47.730 --> 00:32:57.090 Joseph McElroy: yeah so so life is good in the smoky mountains right i'm moving back, I obviously always wanted to be here, you know, but I had to try my tribe my.

00:32:57.810 --> 00:33:11.550 Joseph McElroy: adventures in the world and the particular line of business, I was in required to be there, so what's your careers for flourishing and then you got to be at a TV hit series, how did that happen forged by fire words in the fire.

00:33:11.850 --> 00:33:19.020 Terri Clark: And so it's been on you know, I was just on the season premiere of season nine so it's been on eight years now.

00:33:20.580 --> 00:33:26.070 Terri Clark: And, of course, you know, being a blacksmith, I was interested in the show soon as I saw it and.

00:33:27.270 --> 00:33:38.070 Terri Clark: Five or six years ago I applied to be on it and I didn't get a call back I interviewed and all that but I didn't get a call back and then a couple years ago, I decided to try again and.

00:33:39.300 --> 00:33:50.310 Terri Clark: got the interview, and they said we'll be in touch and then the pandemic happened, and they said logo everything's on hold, right now, but we'll we'll be in touch and so.

00:33:51.000 --> 00:34:02.610 Terri Clark: Last July I got the call from them had the plane ticket was all said to go film and two days before I was supposed to fly out I got tested positive for coven.

00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.260 Terri Clark: Know anywhere.

00:34:04.560 --> 00:34:12.180 Terri Clark: yeah and then by the end of October, they called me again and said, are you ready, this time, and so it all came together.

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:19.020 Joseph McElroy: cool and for people listening, can you explain the format of the show to us and how you how you participated.

00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:29.250 Terri Clark: Sure, so there's three rounds of competition there's four blades miss the first round, you have three hours to forge and he treated a knife.

00:34:29.730 --> 00:34:44.730 Terri Clark: Within whatever parameters and challenge, they said for for my episode, it was a crushed car challenge, so when we walked out on the floor, they uncovered a car that had been crushed and we had to salvage our steel for the night, out of that.

00:34:45.330 --> 00:34:46.350 Terri Clark: bed hidden some.

00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:51.600 Terri Clark: Some good pieces of steel in there, or you know, in my case, I found a piece in the front end.

00:34:52.770 --> 00:34:58.320 Terri Clark: CV joint That was really good steel that I can make a knife out of so anyway, the first round.

00:34:58.830 --> 00:35:11.700 Terri Clark: One person's eliminated second round, you have we had two hours to put a handle and a guard on the knife and then they put it through some pretty severe testing and a second person was eliminated.

00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:25.020 Terri Clark: And then the final to go home to their own shot for four or five days and for whatever epic weapons they they choose, and so, for us it was down to me and a fella named Mike from nebraska.

00:35:26.370 --> 00:35:36.780 Terri Clark: We had a fortune a pair of curve guitars which are a weapon from ancient India they had to match that have folders in the blades and some other parameters to follow.

00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:51.300 Terri Clark: So got back down here it's been four days in the in my shop with a camera crew and forge these weapons went back up to the set and the judges put them through a final round of testing and then choose the winner.

00:35:52.080 --> 00:35:55.020 Joseph McElroy: Well, and what's what are they what's their criteria for the winner.

00:35:56.700 --> 00:36:02.460 Terri Clark: A they put it through you know it had to meet all the parameters blade length shape all that.

00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:10.590 Terri Clark: And then they put it through all kinds of testing of us there was like a stabbing test with the ballistics gummy.

00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:13.680 Terri Clark: A slicing test with.

00:36:15.150 --> 00:36:27.570 Terri Clark: Some some kane kind of things, so you know they went through several different tests see how the knives perform, and then the judges kind of step away for a minute and and make their decision.

00:36:28.650 --> 00:36:33.780 Terri Clark: So basically they're they're judging not only the aesthetics, of the weapon, but the functionality of it so.

00:36:34.020 --> 00:36:42.030 Joseph McElroy: A little sort of a remote way it's like the chef competition show that, where they going to cook based upon the parameters of the.

00:36:43.140 --> 00:36:43.560 Joseph McElroy: yeah.

00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:47.400 Joseph McElroy: Right, how did you know what you know what to Qatar, it looks like or how.

00:36:48.390 --> 00:36:55.830 Terri Clark: I had a vague familiarity with them before before you know the reveal on the final round.

00:36:57.390 --> 00:37:02.220 Terri Clark: And I did you know I I did a little research and looked at some Google images and whatnot.

00:37:03.540 --> 00:37:05.340 Terri Clark: And then just kind of went for it, you know.

00:37:05.850 --> 00:37:08.460 Joseph McElroy: cool how it was the grand prize.

00:37:09.030 --> 00:37:11.400 Joseph McElroy: $10,000 so bad right.

00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:13.710 Joseph McElroy: Nice forever right.

00:37:14.970 --> 00:37:18.390 Joseph McElroy: And you get to go back on future shows right we compete against other champions.

00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:32.490 Terri Clark: If they ever call me i'd be happy to go back often they do have you know, a championship round or a beat the judges round or something like that, where they call people back on you know, keeping my fingers crossed that I get that call next season, or something.

00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:34.230 Joseph McElroy: And how is it.

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.960 Joseph McElroy: How is it changed your life personally and professionally or people asked every autograph now.

00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:45.540 Terri Clark: i've had one little boy, and my son soccer game asked for my autograph which was pretty funny.

00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:53.670 Terri Clark: You know professionally it's allowed me to invest in my business a little bit more upgrade some of my tooling and stuff.

00:37:54.810 --> 00:38:04.530 Terri Clark: And you know it's here in the Silva area I definitely I have people i've never met before if come up and congratulate me and whatnot I feel like i've.

00:38:05.490 --> 00:38:16.440 Terri Clark: probably got more local business from it, then anything else you know, being in the local paper and whatnot it's it's given me some exposure here in Western North Carolina and it's been really good.

00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.030 Joseph McElroy: So it's it's helped your.

00:38:18.120 --> 00:38:19.350 Joseph McElroy: it's helped your business that.

00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.390 Terri Clark: Sure sure absolutely.

00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:28.110 Joseph McElroy: cool I mean that's good I mean yeah I mean these these reality TV shows can be nice.

00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:33.960 Joseph McElroy: A nice thing, but they don't they don't really change your business like that much I have a friend of mine that we wonder.

00:38:34.470 --> 00:38:44.430 Joseph McElroy: What does that project project runway or was in it really change your fashion life that much so she had one or two years of things, but it's also good to have on your resume yeah.

00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:50.250 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah you're still fairly young man right, you are what your 30s.

00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:56.010 Joseph McElroy: Or maybe 4444 So what are your future plans you got any projects you're looking to do.

00:38:58.350 --> 00:39:07.680 Terri Clark: I plan on just just continuing doing what i'm doing you know, trying to improve my craft get better what i'm doing you know I i'm.

00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:18.090 Terri Clark: i'm eligible at this point to test for my journeymen stamp with the American blade Smith society so in the next year or so i'm hoping to go through that process and get my journeymen stamp.

00:39:19.830 --> 00:39:24.330 Terri Clark: You know I i'm hoping here in the next year or two to start teaching again.

00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.100 Terri Clark: i've taught classes in different different places.

00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:35.610 Terri Clark: With the last one being haywood Community college and flied tops and blacksmith and classes there and.

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:47.310 Terri Clark: I took a break for the last two or three years, focused on my business, but I think you know the older I get more i'd like to get back into teaching some you know pass on what i've what i've spent 20 years figuring out.

00:39:48.720 --> 00:39:51.030 Joseph McElroy: cool are you doing any other product bugs.

00:39:52.770 --> 00:39:54.630 Terri Clark: really what i'm trying to do now is.

00:39:56.550 --> 00:40:10.620 Terri Clark: make more one off knives i've been kind of making them in batches and that sort of thing and i'm going to continue doing that, but I really want to get to the place where I can kind of make what i'm inspired to make and make some more one of a kind pieces.

00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:14.040 Joseph McElroy: I said, you made a lot of a belt, a lot of felt.

00:40:15.450 --> 00:40:17.400 Joseph McElroy: Like what you're wearing your belt was that with me.

00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:28.020 Terri Clark: yeah just kind of an everyday carry a knife or running knife, you know I I like to carry a fixed blade knife so i've always got a little three or four inch blade on me.

00:40:29.160 --> 00:40:31.350 Terri Clark: So I make a lot, a lot of names like that.

00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:38.010 Joseph McElroy: You know now that i'm back in North Carolina could carry a knife with me all the time, you know New York, you have a limit of like four inches.

00:40:39.930 --> 00:40:50.070 Joseph McElroy: You know I want, I want to talk to you, I do want to I you know i'm getting into the whole cast iron and cooking and heritage cooking and things like that I do want to talk to you about doing.

00:40:50.610 --> 00:41:00.750 Joseph McElroy: A custom, you know some sort of you know, this is it's it's trivial but it's I think it's important to I want to do a knife that that looks good on camera.

00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:09.390 Joseph McElroy: Right yeah right, I think that if we're doing cooking shows this guy looks like oh wow that's really cool what somebody looks at night right.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.570 Terri Clark: So maybe i've been messing with the mask is quite a bit lately.

00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:18.090 Terri Clark: You know, you know if you're familiar with Adam sure you are made it looks pretty.

00:41:18.660 --> 00:41:19.740 Joseph McElroy: yeah right yeah.

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:31.710 Joseph McElroy: Oh also you talking about mountain heritage is just look at things like the old hickory I mean I don't know how good they are I don't want to necessarily be that primitive but you know the same time there's a sort of authenticity to that right.

00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:33.180 Joseph McElroy: yeah yeah.

00:41:33.570 --> 00:41:35.970 Terri Clark: yeah and I do a lot of my knives I leave some.

00:41:35.970 --> 00:41:49.920 Terri Clark: forge texture you know I you know, some of them I clean up the whole way, but I really like that for texture and that kind of primitive natural look, you know I want I, like my knives and stuff to look like they belong when they're in the woods, you know.

00:41:51.870 --> 00:42:02.850 Joseph McElroy: Oh that's that's exactly the kind of thing that I think works well and you also do the senior he did a butcher boots or whatever there's big butcher blades.

00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:04.740 Terri Clark: mm hmm like a cleaver.

00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.610 Joseph McElroy: Clear yeah.

00:42:05.700 --> 00:42:06.900 Joseph McElroy: yeah so.

00:42:08.490 --> 00:42:12.450 Joseph McElroy: From own I have had half the beer so i'm not drawing blanks on for certain.

00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:15.600 Terri Clark: that's why I stuck with the tea.

00:42:17.190 --> 00:42:21.750 Joseph McElroy: Well, it makes me a little more loquacious but sometimes it makes me less intelligent.

00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:32.760 Joseph McElroy: yeah but it's worthwhile right, I guess is that, like a model not like a lie wait wait wait i'm live but it's maybe.

00:42:34.710 --> 00:42:39.480 Joseph McElroy: So so so that's great and.

00:42:40.680 --> 00:42:59.520 Joseph McElroy: Now I am and what there was one of the line you do can't you've done some you've done some of those things like kitchen stuff and iron work and things like that would you would you do anything like camp kitchen experiences, you know, like setups and stuff like that girl we're.

00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:05.580 Terri Clark: not really you know my frying pan to work rate on an open fire, just as well as the stove.

00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:18.000 Terri Clark: In the past I made some fireplace set or you know fire irons and whatnot for a campfire cooking but I don't really do that kind of stuff for myself, these days, but I don't really make them to sell cool.

00:43:18.540 --> 00:43:31.320 Joseph McElroy: Well, we have to take our last break here and then we'll come back and we'll talk about you know some of the other things that you've done, and you know your things that you find appealing about the scope and so.

00:43:32.220 --> 00:43:32.940 Terri Clark: sounds good.

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00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:40.620 Joseph McElroy: howdy there's a Joseph Franklin that call right back with the gateway to the smokies podcasts and my guest Matthew shy REP correct.

00:45:41.070 --> 00:45:41.820 Terri Clark: I read yet.

00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:43.530 Joseph McElroy: Sorry sorry oh my.

00:45:45.180 --> 00:45:47.550 Terri Clark: The business is shy read the last name is sherry.

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.980 Joseph McElroy: sherry okay so shy is okay, so I got I got it now i'll remember it so.

00:45:54.180 --> 00:46:03.150 Joseph McElroy: we're talking about black stepping in the mountains so um you mentioned, you want to get back into teaching you think you might open your own school.

00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:11.280 Terri Clark: Now I don't think I have any interest in that I think I might start offering some small workshops in my shop.

00:46:12.330 --> 00:46:21.120 Terri Clark: I can my shots pretty small, I can only accommodate probably three people in a class but i'm thinking about doing some like little weekend workshops in my shop and.

00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:30.300 Terri Clark: Maybe reconnecting with hey what Community college and starting to reach out to john C Campbell folks school and some other schools around the country like that.

00:46:31.830 --> 00:46:32.040 Terri Clark: they're there's.

00:46:32.670 --> 00:46:34.800 Terri Clark: Some really great facilities out there, I don't need to.

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:35.430 Terri Clark: build one.

00:46:36.240 --> 00:46:44.220 Joseph McElroy: On my you know your your shop could be a school, but it would be all the students would be online right you could do a YouTube thing.

00:46:44.370 --> 00:46:45.570 Terri Clark: Or you could be yeah.

00:46:45.630 --> 00:46:47.040 Joseph McElroy: You do live podcast.

00:46:47.070 --> 00:46:56.190 Terri Clark: Right yeah my my 13 year old is a really getting into making videos and he's been helping me with some videos and stuff so there may come a point where I start making some more YouTube.

00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:09.300 Joseph McElroy: So you have somebody that knows how to do YouTube videos and they have a wife that it's great at the lighting I, you should be able, you know you should be able to do something, maybe you just might want to get somebody to help me write some scripts or something like that, but.

00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.220 Terri Clark: yeah i've got a couple ideas.

00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:13.320 Terri Clark: just got to find time to make it happen.

00:47:15.330 --> 00:47:30.300 Joseph McElroy: cool so you know the show is also about a little bit about tourism in the in the mountains and I love talking to really great people and cultural icons and things but also So what do you enjoy doing spoke about.

00:47:32.310 --> 00:47:33.540 Terri Clark: Anything outside.

00:47:33.750 --> 00:47:34.470 Joseph McElroy: You know, we.

00:47:34.590 --> 00:47:38.490 Terri Clark: try to get on the lakes and rivers, as much as possible in the summer.

00:47:39.810 --> 00:47:44.610 Terri Clark: We do a lot of hiking i'm an avid hunter and fisherman when I when I can find time to do it.

00:47:45.930 --> 00:47:52.230 Terri Clark: Just you know the natural beauty of this place is what brought me here and we try to make the most of it.

00:47:52.470 --> 00:47:57.450 Joseph McElroy: cool and when you're in Silva, what is it what is your favorite place to get breakfast.

00:47:58.740 --> 00:48:02.520 Terri Clark: My favorite place to eat period and Sylvia Guadalupe CAFE.

00:48:02.970 --> 00:48:04.950 Terri Clark: Ah yeah mainstream.

00:48:05.100 --> 00:48:08.820 Joseph McElroy: I love the you get that tray with the multiple sources right.

00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:10.500 Joseph McElroy: yeah That is incredible.

00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:22.890 Joseph McElroy: yeah we went there during Kobe you know and and you were still able to sit on a picnic table after and get that salsas those multiple vm and everything else there was great.

00:48:23.130 --> 00:48:23.460 yeah.

00:48:24.690 --> 00:48:29.730 Joseph McElroy: How about entertainment, what kind of it was a great entertainment place and so.

00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:36.180 Terri Clark: I innovation brewing both in sylvan their hillsborough location, they often have music.

00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:44.610 Terri Clark: let's see where else you know every Friday night, they have music down the bridge park in town in the summers.

00:48:46.020 --> 00:48:47.640 Terri Clark: So that's that's you know.

00:48:48.660 --> 00:48:51.000 Terri Clark: Those are kind of our general go to places.

00:48:52.230 --> 00:48:55.890 Terri Clark: Honestly, especially since pandemic we don't make it out very much but.

00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:56.790 Joseph McElroy: yeah.

00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:58.680 Terri Clark: When we do those are the places we had.

00:48:59.430 --> 00:49:02.790 Joseph McElroy: And now you know you've you've raised your children here in the smokies right.

00:49:03.210 --> 00:49:03.570 Terri Clark: mm hmm.

00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:14.430 Joseph McElroy: So now i'm would be bringing three and a half year olds here alright, so you had you've had children of that age, what are the things I should do with three and a half year olds in the smokies but can't get anywhere else.

00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:19.470 Terri Clark: And this again getting on the lakes, is always fun.

00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:20.580 Joseph McElroy: You know what's your favorite look.

00:49:21.450 --> 00:49:23.760 Terri Clark: We go down to Fontana.

00:49:23.910 --> 00:49:24.630 quite a bit.

00:49:26.370 --> 00:49:28.680 Terri Clark: i've actually got a favorite late but i'm not going to tell you.

00:49:28.890 --> 00:49:29.490 Joseph McElroy: Ah.

00:49:29.550 --> 00:49:30.360 Terri Clark: got all the.

00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:32.700 Joseph McElroy: checks to to me in the chat.

00:49:32.700 --> 00:49:32.880 For.

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:34.890 Terri Clark: me.

00:49:35.100 --> 00:49:39.090 Terri Clark: it's pretty tiny went around here and not many people know about it, I want to keep it that way.

00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:43.080 Joseph McElroy: Okay, but at the chat give me give me a break.

00:49:45.870 --> 00:49:55.890 Joseph McElroy: Oh so well that's great I mean yeah like like like like my parents go Have you had a place that we used to go to down in the Georgia line with the you know.

00:49:57.120 --> 00:50:02.580 Joseph McElroy: drawing a blank on the name of it's been a while so since we were there but they had a pontoon boat there's always a blast.

00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:22.020 Joseph McElroy: yeah so you know we're a building a heritage Center right documentary to do the number talking about I want to do cooking yeah I was thinking of getting a you know, a sort of a large size camp kitchen built right with a cook set things like that any recommendations, how to do that.

00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:27.210 Terri Clark: Honestly, not really.

00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:34.650 Terri Clark: I mean there you know I think the sky's the limit but i've never built an outdoor kitchen and don't know you know a lot about it but.

00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:44.760 Terri Clark: If you get to that point, let me know, maybe I can you know, come up with some fire brokers and utensils and stuff like that for you.

00:50:45.150 --> 00:50:45.870 Joseph McElroy: Alright cool.

00:50:47.520 --> 00:51:00.960 Joseph McElroy: So I you know I noticed that a local bar and restaurant is had a big screening and welcome home event for you after you want to convince convince your competition, I thought that was great what was a venue.

00:51:02.190 --> 00:51:05.040 Terri Clark: That was lazy hiker tap room on mainstream Silva.

00:51:06.930 --> 00:51:21.180 Terri Clark: We you know we small town, we know, everybody in the managers there and whatnot we went said hey we really like to have a party and invite all of our friends to come watch this on the big screen there, so they were more than happy to make it happen cool.

00:51:21.810 --> 00:51:23.940 Joseph McElroy: Now How can people find out more about you.

00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.480 Terri Clark: My websites definitely the easiest way to find me www dot dot com.

00:51:31.950 --> 00:51:34.650 Joseph McElroy: And here are your Facebook.

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.540 Terri Clark: I am on Facebook, I do most of my social media stuff on instagram.

00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:44.550 Joseph McElroy: Okay lots of pictures of stuff that you produce that makes sense right.

00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:46.740 Joseph McElroy: and

00:51:47.910 --> 00:51:52.710 Joseph McElroy: The can people ask for custom work from you or just buy from that site what are they what can they do.

00:51:53.460 --> 00:52:01.800 Terri Clark: Both i've got you know products listed on the website that they can order everything's made to order I don't really have anything in stock generally.

00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:10.170 Terri Clark: But if you have you know, a custom knife or X or something you want made shoot me an email, and we can try and figure something out.

00:52:10.620 --> 00:52:13.350 Joseph McElroy: What do they need to provide you to make a custom product.

00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:24.660 Terri Clark: Generally, like they want a custom knife, you know I need to know if they want mono steel or Damascus, what kind of blade shape blade length handle material.

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:34.260 Terri Clark: You know, handle construction whether it's a full Tang or hidden Tang process, so you know just all those little details and then.

00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:41.400 Terri Clark: Sometimes we just go into the details and other times I can sketch something up if somebody wants to.

00:52:41.940 --> 00:52:46.620 Joseph McElroy: cool or well any other shout outs you like to give.

00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:50.580 Terri Clark: Thanks to you, guys, for having me on here, I really appreciate it.

00:52:51.060 --> 00:52:53.820 Joseph McElroy: Well, I you know I hope you'll come by you know we're doing.

00:52:54.540 --> 00:53:03.480 Joseph McElroy: At the smoky mountain heritage Center the bob's doing we're we're having events where they have things like you know reenactment so you mentioned earlier, that you are doing that they have.

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:18.960 Joseph McElroy: yeah I think you're gonna have black sniffing things going on and you're going to have you know all sorts of heritage events, I think you would enjoy, so we will come come by and meet me in person, and we can you know talk about pans and nuys.

00:53:19.590 --> 00:53:25.650 Terri Clark: And I know i'd love to participate in some of the events you've got going on there, and maybe teach class there at some point.

00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:31.530 Joseph McElroy: That would be fun, I mean we're starting to we're starting to do some really good classes like that, and I think that.

00:53:32.370 --> 00:53:41.340 Joseph McElroy: it's beneficial for everyone involved, because I really love celebrating the culture of these appalachians and historical things and celebrating what's good about our history.

00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:50.850 Joseph McElroy: And you know the craft was by far, one of the most beautiful things of our history yeah all right absolutely so we're part of the.

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