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Facebook Live Video from 2022/01/27 - The Dynamics of Race in Menopause

Facebook Live Video from 2022/01/27 - The Dynamics of Race in Menopause


2022/01/27 - The Dynamics of Race in Menopause

[NEW EPISODE] The Dynamics of Race in Menopause

An understanding of the impact of stress on menopause symptoms and how this affects women of color.


Research has shown that stress can trigger some menopause symptoms or make them more frequent or intense. It inflames the body and can cause hot flashes, poor sleep, weight gain, and high blood pressure. Stress can arise from many situations such as at home, at work, and in our personal relationships.

My guest this week, Rev. Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery (TLC) is a pathologist, an ordained minister and licensed psychologist. She understands through her own experience and the experiences of the people she works with, how living with racism can lead to chronic stress and medical conditions. Women of color experience more stress and consequently experience menopause very differently


Twitter:  RevDrTLC


Join me for this essential conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by Clicking Here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Pat starts off today’s episode going straight into introducing her guest, Rev. Dr. Terrlyn L. Curry Avery (TLC), a pathologist, ordained minister and licensed psychologist. She is also the host of Dismantle Racism right here on TalkRadioNYC. Dr. TLC starts by thanking Pat for bringing her on the show to talk about such topics like racism and menopause. She points out that we don't have to dig too far in dismantling. She explains how unique it is for Pat to bring these two topics together as she brings up the question of how do women of color deal with menopause. Dr. TLC says that she decided to follow this path to where she is now because she has always felt very connected to her roots and her ancestors. She grew up in Mississippi which was one of the places that was considered the most racist. She recalls the obvious characteristics in her surroundings that showed the separation between white people and people of color. When she finished college, she knew that she wanted to work in African American communities and to give back. Pat and Dr. TLC discuss how talking about prejudice in this topic of menopause as well as how it intertwines with racism is important; you can’t make change if you don’t talk about it.

Segment 2

Coming back from the break, Pat and Dr. TLC talk about how stress affect the menopause experience. Dr. TLC says how things like socioeconomic status affects menopause and stress. She says that research shows that women of color go through 25-50% more stress than white women, part of it is because of the stress that comes from simply being a person of color. She gives personal examples of how there’s an added stress. She tells us how the day prior when driving, she saw a truck that had a Trump sticker on it. She thought about who was driving the truck and about the rural area that she lives in. Dr. TLC says that to her it was an “in your face” kind of gesture and so it was that extra stress that white women wouldn’t have to go through because it’s more likely that they wouldn’t think twice about their safety. They also discuss more about the stress, race and menopause. Dr. TLC gives her own example as a women of color who went hrough menopause, at the same time that her oldest daughter was going through change and when Donald Trump was running for president as well as other events.

Segment 3

Dr. TLC talks about women of color and the stress they’ll go through with menopause. She talks about the subtle things that women of color might think about. Dr. TLC gives an example of subtle things like whether or not she should wear her hoodie while walking her dog. She also adds another experience of a daily stressor added in for women of color like when she got pulled over by a police officer. Although her experience was not a bad one, she is showing how there’s much more to think about as a woman of color. They also discuss the regular stress and anxiety that comes with menopause and Dr. TLC explains how for women of color, they may not see these symptoms as part of it as they may instead take it as a daily experience they’ll go through. She discusses tips on dealing with this. First she says that awareness is important. People are not meant to have a high amount of stress daily and just go with it. She says that now we can change what was once normalized. Once you are aware of what's stressing you, then you can do something about it. She also says to make your doctors aware about the added stress that women of color go through and be an advocate for yourself. People can visit and right here on our website to learn more about Rev. Dr. TLC. Her book, Dismantling Racism: Healing from the Inside Out will be available this spring.

Segment 4

Coming back from the final break, Pat goes through current news in the media regarding menopause. The first article is from The Guardian that talks about menopause and the importance for the writer, who’s also a politician to talk about as someone going through it herself. Another newspaper The Telegraph talks about doctors treating long covid for women as the symptoms of menopause and long covid are very similar. The article says that the best thing one can do is to keep track of their symptoms to see if their hormonal levels are affected. Another article talks about fibroids and fertility. They also talk about uterine fibroids, benign non cancerous growth of the uterus. Pat also addresses cortisol levels and its effects on blood pressure, weight gain and other chronic diseases. To learn more about dealing with menopause and other similar topics, you can visit Pat thanks everyone for tuning in and gives thanks for Dr. TLC for joining her today. Next week, Pat will be joined by Jennifer Hoff.


00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:30.360 Pat Duckworth: Welcome to the hot women rock radio show empowering women leaders at menopause and good morning if you're in America good afternoon if you're in the UK, good evening if you're in India and in.

00:05:31.170 --> 00:05:36.840 Pat Duckworth: Singapore I got some lovely friends in Singapore I just always hope they're listening so.

00:05:37.260 --> 00:05:47.010 Pat Duckworth: In a change to the usual format today, instead of starting with the media i'm going to go straight to my guests, but before I do that I have a very profound question.

00:05:47.700 --> 00:05:59.160 Pat Duckworth: Why is it that the batteries that are in smoke alarm systems always run low in the middle of the night and wake you out of sleep.

00:05:59.670 --> 00:06:13.110 Pat Duckworth: and make you go and get a chair and stand on it and change the batteries in the wee hours of the morning philosophically I would really like to know how they know when to run out and therefore get me out of bed in the morning.

00:06:14.130 --> 00:06:27.000 Pat Duckworth: A profound question to start the session, but we are going to be profound state because we're going to be talking about how race affects our experience of menopause and my guest today for regular listeners to.

00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:37.740 Pat Duckworth: Talk radio dot nyc will recognize the wonderful Reverend Dr carolyn Curry avery who, I am very proud to say is a friend and a colleague.

00:06:38.580 --> 00:06:45.840 Pat Duckworth: And she has the show immediately after mine, which is why we're changing our order today to give her a chance to get ready for her own show.

00:06:46.530 --> 00:06:55.440 Pat Duckworth: So, for those of you who don't know her where have you been the Reverend Dr Tara Lynn is a pest ology is not a pathologist as you might have seen, although.

00:06:56.790 --> 00:07:01.470 Pat Duckworth: i'm sure I don't know perhaps we'll ask her whether that was something she wanted to be.

00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:09.630 Pat Duckworth: she's an ordained minister and licensed psychologist to invite people into transformation through the journey of sacred intelligence.

00:07:10.020 --> 00:07:16.770 Pat Duckworth: tapping into an internal source in order to make intelligent choices that manifest the good of humanity.

00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:31.170 Pat Duckworth: She helps leaders discover how their sphere of influence can change the status quo and dismantle racism she's the author of sacred intelligence, the essence of sacred selfish and shared relationships.

00:07:31.890 --> 00:07:45.420 Pat Duckworth: Upcoming book is dismantling racism and, as you know, if you're a regular listener she's a host of dismantle racism on talk radio dot nyc good morning to you.

00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:47.280 Pat Duckworth: Tara Lynn how are you doing.

00:07:47.280 --> 00:08:01.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Today, I am well, I am well Good morning, and you know I don't know if it was an unconscious thing to say pathologist or not, but I i'm always searching for the answers and trying to uncover.

00:08:02.940 --> 00:08:15.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really, what makes us tick and actually what can lead to death and racism is one of those things so who knows, we could be here all day uncovering that and the mystery of the fire alarm.

00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:21.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we're here to talk about something else, so thank you so much for having me on the show today.

00:08:21.450 --> 00:08:27.360 Pat Duckworth: it's really wonderful to see you and we've wanted to have a chat for ages, so it she's excellent.

00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:40.020 Pat Duckworth: Just digging back a little bit, though, how did you come on this career path to where you are now was it one of those straight lines or was it one of those zigzag he lines that gets you to where you need to be.

00:08:40.470 --> 00:08:48.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um so I want to answer that but if I could start out just saying a little bit more in terms of just wanting to thank you for this conversation.

00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:59.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I think it will you know talk lead into the answer to your question, I want to thank you for this conversation, because who would think that menopause has anything to do with.

00:09:00.990 --> 00:09:10.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: With race right or racism and I really want to just point out, particularly because I I teach about dismantling racism in my radio show is about that.

00:09:11.070 --> 00:09:31.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is that we don't have to dig too far and make this a humongous task of dismantling we start where we are and we simply ask the question we take a look at is how might this situation be different for people of color and that's what you've done with us talking about this issue going.

00:09:32.670 --> 00:09:40.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: menopause be different and simply asking the question is a step towards dismantling racism, so I just wanted to share that.

00:09:41.430 --> 00:09:43.290 Pat Duckworth: With your audience, you know, I think.

00:09:43.680 --> 00:09:53.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They can kind of yeah oh it's too, you know, some people say it's too much it's too much, and I can address it, you can address it in your own world, so how did I get started.

00:09:54.540 --> 00:10:13.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being born as a as a black woman uh probably helped right um here's the thing look, I say that, but I say it with seriousness So for me and I understand that not every person of color deals with this is their work.

00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:30.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But, for me, it has been something that i've been so passionate about because i've always had a strong affinity and connection to who I am and my ancestors and i've always had a sense of justice, I grew up in.

00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:45.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Mississippi and Mississippi for those people who are from other parts of the world was one of the places that was considered the most races now fortunately I grew up in an area where.

00:10:46.230 --> 00:11:02.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It perhaps wasn't as bad as it was in some areas, but it was very late, you know I can recall seeing, even though the signs should have been down much longer, I could recall seeing whites only colored only because they left the signs up.

00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:15.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I could remember when my parents said yes or no, Sir, to white people who were younger than me and the discussion that we would have like my younger brother with well he's older than me would say.

00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:29.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Why are you doing that so it's it's been a part of my journey in my life, so that when I left finish college got my PhD and all of that, I knew I wanted to work in African American communities.

00:11:30.060 --> 00:11:46.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, to give back, and I want it to help my people, so it led from there to then doing trainings with educators and other people around dismantling racism and.

00:11:47.400 --> 00:12:05.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It went from there and and i'll be honest with you, I actually thought that I was moving away from the focus of racism, I knew it would be infused and everything I did, but I thought that I was moving away from the teaching i'd never thought I would be doing a radio show.

00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:10.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But because of the nature of the world that we live in.

00:12:12.180 --> 00:12:21.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And all of the racist acts that that I see every day, but the deadly racist X really.

00:12:22.380 --> 00:12:28.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, said listen you've got to get back in there and you've got to do you've got to do the work, so I can't leave.

00:12:30.390 --> 00:12:38.130 Pat Duckworth: And I you know I totally recognize it because there are days when I get up and I think are talking about menopause.

00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:45.780 Pat Duckworth: Is this what I really wanted to be doing, and then you know you just go no, this is what I talked about this is.

00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:57.930 Pat Duckworth: Because there's prejudice in this area, this this age prejudice in this area, there is, you know there's all sorts of prejudice and you know i've got a face it head on and I gotta say something about it.

00:12:58.710 --> 00:13:02.160 Pat Duckworth: And you know within your own community that it's just.

00:13:02.160 --> 00:13:06.030 Pat Duckworth: so important that we're bringing this conversation out.

00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:07.530 Pat Duckworth: and saying if we don't.

00:13:07.530 --> 00:13:09.660 Pat Duckworth: Talk about it, nothing changes.

00:13:10.140 --> 00:13:19.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Exactly and and listen pat for both both of us, and the work that we do, because I get tired of talking about racism.

00:13:20.520 --> 00:13:29.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I get tired of having to think about their days that I turn it off as much as I can turn it off right, because if you're black in America you can't really turn it off.

00:13:30.540 --> 00:13:48.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: um but there's also something to be said about there's joy in the conversation and the dismantling of it, you say it doesn't have to be as heavy as we make it to talk about race or to talk about.

00:13:49.230 --> 00:13:57.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: menopause because races, both positive and negative for some folks right so it's important for us to.

00:13:58.650 --> 00:14:04.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: understand our calling because I it's a calling that's really what it is for me it's a calling to do this work I have.

00:14:05.220 --> 00:14:13.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Other people of color who will say I just don't know how you do it and, for me, because i'm spiritually grounded in honor my calling I just realized.

00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:24.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Like God is what you call me to do help me help me to have the strength to do it, I rely on my ancestors, the strength of my ancestors.

00:14:24.420 --> 00:14:31.290 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But I also find time to take care of myself and so, in the same way, you know when you're talking about this menopause.

00:14:31.590 --> 00:14:43.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, repeatedly and thinking, how much more, can I say about it there's so much more to say about it, but you know that there's the aspect of being grounded and also taking care of yourself in the process.

00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:57.300 Pat Duckworth: And it's one of those subjects that people are under informed about in all sorts of ways and women generally tend not to talk about menopause and.

00:14:58.050 --> 00:15:12.270 Pat Duckworth: i'm going to come back to you and ask you if it's the same in your own community that in in my Community women are like a la la la la let's not talk about it in a kind of a weird magic thing of perhaps it won't happen if I don't talk about it.

00:15:12.750 --> 00:15:17.970 Pat Duckworth: But I was on another radio show, and this is probably about five years ago and it was.

00:15:18.660 --> 00:15:26.670 Pat Duckworth: back before everybody was on zoom and I was on Skype and the person in the studio was in a studio in London and.

00:15:27.180 --> 00:15:44.820 Pat Duckworth: She is off West African heritage and she had to Afro Caribbean women in the studio with her, and I said she asked me some questions about menopause and I started telling her about her and then she stopped me and she said men, of course, is just a white woman things net.

00:15:47.010 --> 00:15:47.550 Pat Duckworth: is like.

00:15:48.900 --> 00:15:52.920 Pat Duckworth: But what he and she said black women don't go through it do they.

00:15:54.660 --> 00:16:00.870 Pat Duckworth: Are it just kind of that flag goes out of how little do we know about our own bodies.

00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:02.730 Pat Duckworth: You know.

00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:09.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, I have to tell you that's that's different to me, and I wonder if that has something to do with culturally Caribbean.

00:16:10.050 --> 00:16:28.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and West African because I talked to people about menopause now, I will say look when we grew up our parents weren't talking to us about anything, because it was the sign of the times, but I know, for me, I can distinctly remember.

00:16:30.060 --> 00:16:39.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Older people, older than I talking about their hot flashes so that by the time it came for me to have hot flashes I understood what was happening.

00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:46.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I understood the stages of you know whether a woman was still continuing in her cycle.

00:16:46.440 --> 00:17:01.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, after a certain time period I also understood that, for instance, it was different for women who had children versus women who did so by the time I began going through the process um I was well aware of it, and I was like yes.

00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.870 Pat Duckworth: I get to come out the other side of it.

00:17:08.340 --> 00:17:14.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But you know for me and, and this is the show about menopause so we can be very real on your show.

00:17:15.630 --> 00:17:24.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When I started to notice the changes because I didn't have such a difficult time nicely, but when I started to notice the changes sprint is just like.

00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:36.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's been a little while since i've had my cycle and I was about to say my friend, but that's that's the euphemism right, it will call it what it is, and I said it's been a while.

00:17:36.810 --> 00:17:46.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh Okay, let me start to pay attention to that yeah right and then start to get excited about it, because the truth of the matter is it it's a pain in the butt.

00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:53.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah right, so I mean and that's the reality that we need to be talking about as well, what are.

00:17:54.600 --> 00:18:04.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, to to explain to our young kids or young women like this is what your body may or may not go through, and that you can also celebrate.

00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:26.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The experience of it as well and to be able to say wait a minute Why am I experiencing this yeah this person didn't experience it in that way, so I can't speak for us as a whole, I can just speak to the set of friends and colleagues that I have we openly talk about the hot flashes.

00:18:26.340 --> 00:18:26.880 Pat Duckworth: yeah.

00:18:27.060 --> 00:18:28.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, we openly say.

00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:39.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know if i'm in a meeting or something and I see sweat pouring from somebody's head like I understand I get it like your hair was fine one minute, but all of a sudden.

00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:40.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know.

00:18:42.630 --> 00:18:46.800 Pat Duckworth: The more we can, I think, once you start the conversation.

00:18:47.850 --> 00:18:57.570 Pat Duckworth: And we're going to be talking about stress after the break and you can get stressed if you're experiencing symptoms you don't know what's going on, you feel a little bit embarrassed you don't know who you can talk to, and then you.

00:18:57.930 --> 00:19:04.170 Pat Duckworth: Open up to somebody and they go Oh, my goodness yeah i've had That, too, are you getting this are you getting that.

00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:11.520 Pat Duckworth: And the relief that comes with it, that there's nothing weird about you that this is just a natural phase of life.

00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:20.100 Pat Duckworth: Like we did it puberty when the first box came up or somebody had their first period, you know, and it was all well what's going on.

00:19:20.670 --> 00:19:29.040 Pat Duckworth: You know there's a certain excitement around it when we're teenagers and we lose that as we get older and think that you know there's so much loss around it.

00:19:29.430 --> 00:19:44.880 Pat Duckworth: So join us after the break when we're going to be talking about how stress affects our symptoms of menopause and how the ratio issues can affect that background level of stress and therefore give us worse outcomes that matter, Paul has joined us after the break.

00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:07.980 Pat Duckworth: Welcome back to the hot women rock radio show and powering women leaders at menopause where today my guest is the wonderful Dr Tara Lynn and.

00:22:08.520 --> 00:22:17.340 Pat Duckworth: If you've been watching on Facebook, you will see me adjusting my glasses, because over Christmas, I sat on my glasses and I haven't been quite fit.

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:25.680 Pat Duckworth: My husband, who is a model maker, he mends all these little things for me, but they're not quite sitting on my ears, the way they used to.

00:22:26.310 --> 00:22:39.990 Pat Duckworth: But it's not causing me too much stress and stress is what we're talking about today so before we get into the specific issues for women of color just talking a bit about how stress affects the menopause experience.

00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:50.310 Pat Duckworth: Because of your background, you will know about the effects of stress on the body and how that affects us that men are paul's say a bit more about about.

00:22:51.630 --> 00:23:00.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, I first want to say there's there's a lot of research out here in terms of the differences between how women of color experience menopause and.

00:23:01.710 --> 00:23:10.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How white women experience it Secondly, I want to say that i'm not an expert on menopause at all, but what I can talk about.

00:23:11.370 --> 00:23:21.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It or the stressors of systemic racism, because what we know about menopause that we know lifestyle impacts menopause also know.

00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:27.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Socio economic status effects menopause, and so we know the stress affects menopause.

00:23:28.020 --> 00:23:37.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now here's where there might be a difference because, of course, there are people out there going well, you know as a white person with a low socio economic status or certain lifestyle.

00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:45.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They are going to be impacted by menopause and certainly white women are stressed, just like black women are.

00:23:46.110 --> 00:24:06.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What I would like to offer, though, is that there's research that suggests that black people and women, people of color go through an extra 25 to 50% of stress differences than other folks why because simply showing up in the world as a black woman.

00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:08.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is stressful.

00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:21.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now what I mean by that is because people respond to me differently as a black woman just simply by the color of my skin than they would.

00:24:22.560 --> 00:24:39.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about you, we could be dressed the same way, or perhaps you could even be dressed in or that maybe not like i'm dressed but people will look at you and elevate you in a way right they aren't elevating me per se.

00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:50.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And not that that's what we're searching for but I need people to really understand the judgments that we make about other people and how we.

00:24:51.000 --> 00:25:06.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: As people of color have to carry that extra so i'm giving you an example, so as women, we often have to be concerned if we go into a meeting about how we're dressed.

00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:25.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, maybe we want to make sure we're not dressed to provocatively or whatever the case, might be, but in addition to me as that woman, I have to really, really think about every single piece of what i'm where I don't i'm going to just put that out there.

00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I don't I I am who I am.

00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:48.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I like to dress nice so However I show up is how I show up but that doesn't mean that there hasn't been a time that i've done that specifically I can remember when I was teaching in graduate school as a student as a Grad student, I wanted to wear an Afro centric outfit to class.

00:25:50.490 --> 00:26:02.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because that represents, who I am and my sister said, well, I don't think you can do that yeah because I had to think about how are my students who were mostly white students.

00:26:03.210 --> 00:26:10.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What was the perception that they would have simply by me, showing up in that outfit, particularly on the first day of class.

00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:12.990 Pat Duckworth: huh no.

00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:28.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Extra things that I have to think about I have to think about like a yesterday I was driving in a car, and I saw a person with a particular sticker or truck and i'm just going to share what it was.

00:26:28.530 --> 00:26:29.010 Pat Duckworth: It was.

00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:30.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It was a trump sticker.

00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:31.680 Pat Duckworth: Right.

00:26:31.770 --> 00:26:47.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I thought about for a moment, who was driving that truck and and and and I think about the rural area in which I live in and I thought you know that's there really is there to me as an in your face I don't feel safe when I see that.

00:26:48.330 --> 00:27:04.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah so automatically as a person of color that's an extra stress, where you as a white woman might see that sticker and maybe you'll be upset and maybe not I don't know, but if you were upset you wouldn't necessarily have to think about your safety.

00:27:05.100 --> 00:27:24.480 Pat Duckworth: I have to, and another thing is that women at menopause if they've had children often those children are in their teens or late teens and as a mother of color you're entering to that phase of really worrying about the safety of your children as well.

00:27:25.860 --> 00:27:39.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, my goodness that is so important because I can actually remember when I had my oldest daughter my sister actually said to me Oh, my goodness now she meant it in a different way, but.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:47.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I feel sorry for you, because you're going to be going through menopause at the same time she's.

00:27:47.190 --> 00:27:47.730 Pat Duckworth: going through.

00:27:47.910 --> 00:27:57.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: puberty and that's going to be awful because for my sister I guess she was already starting to experience some of it and I didn't know what she meant, and so I have to tell you.

00:27:58.320 --> 00:28:07.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what's really interesting about that is this because there were many days that my other child who lived in the House saw that to me and my oldest we would be just.

00:28:09.810 --> 00:28:17.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Really Center myself, because while she was going through her stuff I was going through my stuff as well, but in addition.

00:28:18.540 --> 00:28:22.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When my children were teenagers.

00:28:23.790 --> 00:28:25.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It was at the height.

00:28:26.820 --> 00:28:27.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Of.

00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:30.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The trump presidency.

00:28:31.890 --> 00:28:33.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And all of these.

00:28:35.010 --> 00:28:47.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: killings that were happening in so and that was that began during the Obama Administration that we began hearing about the more so, I want you to think about that long long long, long time.

00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:59.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of living in this racial tension yeah and I don't think people understand what racial battle fatigue is and it actually is the living.

00:28:59.460 --> 00:29:06.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Out of this trauma and these daily experiences it doesn't mean that we're living them in such a way that.

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:16.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're so hyper vigilant and it's impacting us in our work and our functioning but folks need to know that it is a daily conversation.

00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: going on in the back of our minds it's a daily conversation.

00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:29.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of being in the presence of white people when they're having conversations that they they may be having a conversation about race or they may be having a conversation.

00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:44.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But why didn't he put his hands up and you're the only person of color in the room, and then, what are you supposed to do with that information that's a stressor so a lot of those stressors are impacting our bodies, because we do understand that for.

00:29:46.470 --> 00:30:00.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Women of color when you think about stress, I will use this as an example as well, so I don't know if you're in your culture if you've ever heard the saying black don't crack if you.

00:30:00.510 --> 00:30:02.100 Pat Duckworth: Have you heard that so here.

00:30:02.310 --> 00:30:18.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Okay, so, while we may age very differently, as people of color we die eight years sooner than our White counterparts, because of the internal stuff that's going on inside of us.

00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:32.220 Pat Duckworth: yeah and with different medical outcomes as well, and I, I really want to point this up, because people in the UK who are listening to this think Oh, but we don't have the same problems, we do have the same problems.

00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:42.360 Pat Duckworth: open your eyes have a look and look at statistics around the medical outcomes for women of color at all stages of their fertility.

00:30:42.750 --> 00:31:06.930 Pat Duckworth: So women of color have worse outcomes during pregnancy have worse outcomes during childbirth have worse outcomes in terms of having more hysterectomy now some of that is due to having more fibroids and when I get to the news items today i'm going to be talking about fibroids.

00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:14.820 Pat Duckworth: But there are many reasons for fibroids part of it may be genetic and part of it may be due to stress.

00:31:15.450 --> 00:31:16.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, stress.

00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:17.820 Pat Duckworth: causing before.

00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:25.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I wouldn't say something, because I love when people from other countries say we don't have that issue it's like you're not aware of the issue.

00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:36.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Because you're not asking the question that I mentioned at the beginning of the show is how might this be different for people of color, but I want to say something about the hysterectomy piece.

00:31:36.780 --> 00:31:48.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And that is this well, particularly in this country, we know that women of color have often gotten the recommendation to have our hysterectomy long before they needed to have one.

00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:59.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sterilization is really what it's about right, and so I think that if we would open our eyes up and just look at what is.

00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:11.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: happening for another group of people what are what's happening for these people of color I think we will begin to see those differences and one of the things that I often invite folks to think about particularly.

00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:24.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know when i'm doing a training or something is just say like what am I not seeing in my area of expertise, because I am only looking, from my perspective, yeah.

00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:34.680 Pat Duckworth: so important, and we were just chatting before the show, and when you know i've done some work with you on understanding racism and.

00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:45.690 Pat Duckworth: When I went back and looked at the slides that I showing my presentations I was horrified to realize there weren't many images of women of color in them.

00:32:46.350 --> 00:32:55.800 Pat Duckworth: What were those women in my presentations and you're talking about how everybody's experience is unique to them and it's all about this all about that well.

00:32:56.850 --> 00:32:58.590 Pat Duckworth: Wherever my images.

00:32:59.610 --> 00:33:15.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But also, is in from your perspective is unique, because, again we have that white lens that we're looking at and not looking outside of that but I appreciate so much that you became conscious of saying what do I need to do.

00:33:15.210 --> 00:33:16.980 Pat Duckworth: I did go and buy some more images.

00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:25.440 Pat Duckworth: Even subconsciously bringing it into the conversation about how this is different.

00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:38.310 Pat Duckworth: So I knew we would have so much to talk about and join us off the brake when we'll be talking more about how stress affects our experience of menopause and how that's influenced by racial issues see after the break.

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:43.140 break for most of the.

00:35:41.910 --> 00:35:51.390 Pat Duckworth: Welcome back to the hot women radio show empowering women leaders at menopause where my empowered woman leader today is the Reverend Dr Tara Lynn.

00:35:51.960 --> 00:36:12.000 Pat Duckworth: Who hosts dismantle racism, the show that follows this one, but today we're talking about how stress affects men or pause and how that affects women of color in an even more intense way when it does other women so let's talk about that a bit more what what are some of the.

00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:18.630 Pat Duckworth: difficult decisions that women have to make during this time, and how is this affecting them.

00:36:20.850 --> 00:36:28.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So if we come back to some some decisions are so subtle that we don't even think about it, and actually.

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:37.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When you look at the research, sometimes, and you ask for instance, women of color, particularly as it relates to menopause about the stress.

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:45.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That they're feeling, some will say oh I don't feel stressed out because of becoming so accustomed.

00:36:46.170 --> 00:37:04.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To what we deal with that is a part of the wear and tear on our bodies and sometimes doctors will refer to it or researchers will refer to it as weathering you know we're just bettering what happens to us, and so, some of it isn't always so conscious So when I said to you.

00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:23.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A decision about what I wear when I go out now, it may not be a decision about work, but it may be a decision about and I posted about this and other places where in in a week's time I had to think about when I was going out to walk my dog should I wear a hoodie.

00:37:23.910 --> 00:37:34.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Get on walking my dog, you know, it was a subtle thing, but I had to think about it, I had to think about I know recently I actually had a surgery and.

00:37:35.910 --> 00:37:51.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A friends was visiting a young man was visiting and I wanted him to go out and do something for me and I thought, because you know because of the type of car that I drive should I have him as a young black male going out to drive my car.

00:37:51.570 --> 00:38:00.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And ultimately, he did, but I had to make sure that I that the registration was in the car yeah right that's an extra stressor.

00:38:01.890 --> 00:38:09.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that's like a daily thing or recently I got stopped for speeding and yes.

00:38:10.020 --> 00:38:17.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am surprised, you should really be shocked, especially since the the GPS warned me.

00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:28.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: police officer ahead, but let me just share with you that experience and it was at night, so when I got pulled over.

00:38:29.580 --> 00:38:36.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I instantly said to my daughter get my wallet out of my purse before he gets here.

00:38:36.450 --> 00:38:37.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So that it will.

00:38:37.080 --> 00:38:41.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: already be out and he was more than Nice.

00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.450 Pat Duckworth: I have to tell you that.

00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:50.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But what went through my head and then, when we pull it off, and my daughter, one of my daughters was very angry.

00:38:50.940 --> 00:39:07.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: With me I said, you could just say I told you so and she said, well, what I want to say, I wanted to say it when he pulled us over, but I didn't that's an extra stress that's a daily thing we all hate getting pulled over by the police, but I don't know in that moment.

00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My life, going to be taken.

00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:26.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: My kids like where's this where's this going to go, so when we talk about a daily stressor those things are added in I have to think about when i'm in a store and somebody following me around, are you following me.

00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:36.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah yeah right, I have to think about if i'm going for a loan for something, are you going to jack the prices up because that we know that to be the case.

00:39:37.110 --> 00:39:52.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah and so when we talk about these daily stressors one of the things that happens is is that it actually has the ability and again i'm not a doctor, but it actually has the ability to affect.

00:39:53.670 --> 00:40:11.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What I understand to be Allah static loads which I don't know all about those you probably know more about those but so it went in impacts those loads, then what happens is it impacts, whether how we experience menopause, but most of us don't know that most of us don't understand.

00:40:11.790 --> 00:40:21.030 Pat Duckworth: yeah and the fact that we tend to be more prone to stress and anxiety at this stage of life because of the change in our hormones.

00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:32.460 Pat Duckworth: Because it's not just about our reproductive hormones our reproductive hormones affect what are called our major homos, although I think most women think their reproductive hormones other major hormones.

00:40:33.150 --> 00:40:44.220 Pat Duckworth: But our major hormones get affected by the reduction in East region, mainly, and it means we have more cortisol in our system cortisol is a stress hormone.

00:40:44.520 --> 00:40:48.900 Pat Duckworth: And so, if you're getting stressed on top of what's happening hormonally.

00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:57.480 Pat Duckworth: Women tend to say to me that they feel more anxious at this stage of life and they don't honestly understand why so part of it.

00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:04.950 Pat Duckworth: Is a hormonal load on top of a natural node and if you imagine, I use my hands, even though this is a radio show.

00:41:05.700 --> 00:41:14.190 Pat Duckworth: That you've got a bucket, but you can allow to fill up with stress, but once it gets to the top, it will start to spill over.

00:41:14.580 --> 00:41:23.460 Pat Duckworth: And that's when you start to get physical symptoms, it might give you more hot flushes stop you sleeping properly affect your mood affects your appetite.

00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:35.520 Pat Duckworth: And, of course, if your daily starting at a whole full bucket you haven't got much more that you can take before it starts to spill over that is my simple explanation.

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:47.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And, and you know what it's actually a great explanation in it takes us back to that question where the the woman who was on the panel said that's a white women's you know.

00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:59.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Not disease but experience, because some of what you described, we may go through those symptoms and may not think of them as being menopause.

00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:09.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah so you just talked about cortisol for essence increasing stress well that that increases headaches, you know and and all of these other things, and like you said.

00:42:10.110 --> 00:42:19.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It the experience of experiencing stress when we might find ourselves irritable or can't sleep, or when we might find ourselves.

00:42:20.010 --> 00:42:35.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: overloaded with things and we take that to be a daily life and experience, we may not associate it with menopause when in fact it is menopause, so it is really important for us to understand how stress can kill us actually.

00:42:35.940 --> 00:42:43.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah and psychological because psychologically what happens with us with stress is that we also start to experience.

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:59.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: psychosomatic symptoms yeah and we also experienced other real symptoms that are in, whether they are psychological or physical that if we begin to change the way we manage our stress.

00:43:00.660 --> 00:43:06.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Then we can change our experience, so I know some people are like well how do you how do you.

00:43:07.140 --> 00:43:08.280 Pat Duckworth: jump in now i'm.

00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:08.640 Sorry.

00:43:10.020 --> 00:43:10.890 Pat Duckworth: I don't I don't.

00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:14.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know I know so but here's the thing.

00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:34.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So one is awareness that is critical for us to heal any parts of our body our mind is really awareness of the fact that stress that we experience as people of color that's not a normal thing.

00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:52.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: huh we have normalized it, but it is not normal people are not meant to have that amount of stress and to be able to cope with it, but one of the things that we do in our culture, while we draw strength from our ancestors, and I certainly do I cannot imagine how they did what they did.

00:43:54.030 --> 00:44:02.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we have an opportunity to do something differently than they did, and so one become aware of how our everyday.

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:13.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: lived experience is impacting our lives and then secondly, once you know the things that are stressing you there's a way to begin to let some of those things go.

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:21.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, for instance I don't worry about how I show i'm going to show up dressed the way I am if I want to put on something Afro centric.

00:44:21.540 --> 00:44:32.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm going to do that Do I need to be mindful for my safety when I go out with a hoodie Do I need to think about that, yes, of course, but then I also put it in my perspective, because I also can't live in fear.

00:44:33.150 --> 00:44:46.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah so that's The other thing is once I know once i'm aware of the things that are stressing me then I can do something about those things now as it relates to those people who have children because that's The other thing.

00:44:47.550 --> 00:44:59.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: know our bodies and know what's going on in our children's lives like you said for for those kids who may be experiencing some hormonal things know what it is that they typically experience during that time.

00:44:59.610 --> 00:45:10.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then know what we typically experience as a woman in general and then say how is that layered with the fact that i'm a person of color.

00:45:10.560 --> 00:45:18.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: yeah really awareness is the key to all of this, the other thing is make your doctors aware.

00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:30.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is critical, because oftentimes our doctors don't think that we're any different from any other group of people had a whole conversation with my doctor around issues of hypertension.

00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:42.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And she just wanted to think oh like people just have that experience, and that was that know make your doctors, understand and be an advocate for yourself.

00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:52.740 Pat Duckworth: We often come back on this program to self advocacy because a time when women are perhaps feeling tired um well.

00:45:53.460 --> 00:46:09.390 Pat Duckworth: They still have to advocate for themselves and for their health and, as you say, awareness getting educated about what's going on in your body, so you can advocate for what you want, is really important, and not taking no for an answer.

00:46:11.490 --> 00:46:12.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so important.

00:46:13.110 --> 00:46:13.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know i'm going.

00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:25.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: To cut you off, but I was just thinking about we as women in general and, as women of color because often doctors even female doctors doctors will just feel like.

00:46:26.730 --> 00:46:27.060 Pat Duckworth: yeah.

00:46:28.350 --> 00:46:32.850 Pat Duckworth: So I got a job for you what's the difference between God and a doctor.

00:46:35.070 --> 00:46:36.870 Pat Duckworth: God doesn't think he's a doctor.

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:51.510 Pat Duckworth: This is why you can't afford to take no for an answer if you going off to your doctor and the doctor says oh yeah no you're too young or too this you're too that don't worry about it come back.

00:46:52.140 --> 00:47:04.890 Pat Duckworth: No, I feel like this now, and if you're aware and you've got your evidence, you can take your evidence along and say no, this is what i'm experiencing, and this is what I want you to do tell him we're running out of time.

00:47:06.240 --> 00:47:06.690 Pat Duckworth: Because I.

00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Can I just say one quick thing, because I know I have to go, so I.

00:47:12.180 --> 00:47:25.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Also, know yourself really well so that when a doctor is saying to you that this is not the case, pay attention internally and because i'm a spiritual advisor I also want to say.

00:47:25.650 --> 00:47:33.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: pay attention because the divine that lives within you is going to also let you know what's going on your body so pay attention to that.

00:47:33.330 --> 00:47:36.690 Pat Duckworth: yeah yo yo fair is going to go, this is not right.

00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:45.750 Pat Duckworth: Now let's do something about it, what link you want listeners to go to, and then I want you to tell us when your books gonna be out, for we can be ready for that as well.

00:47:46.170 --> 00:48:01.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want people to go to sacred and you can find out all about me and my radio show on there as well, but you could go talk to talk radio nyc and you can find me that nyc as well, my book, will be out.

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:14.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In the spring, that is my hope we don't have a launch date, but the book is dismantle dismantling racism healing from the inside out, so I will look forward to talking with you that.

00:48:14.610 --> 00:48:15.330 Pat Duckworth: A little bit late.

00:48:16.020 --> 00:48:20.280 Pat Duckworth: Excellent and just really quickly who's on your show today.

00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:25.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, I have the lovely Monica Rogers on the show she she does.

00:48:26.580 --> 00:48:39.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know I know and Monica has found ways in the work that she does to talk about dismantling racism because again what we do is just look at what our gifts are, and then we just integrate it.

00:48:39.930 --> 00:48:56.460 Pat Duckworth: Like it simple Thank you so much for sparing your time today, Dr carolyn and we will talk again soon join me after the break when I will be going through what's in the media and there's some really interesting articles today have a great show Dr carolyn.

00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:58.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you so much, take care of body.

00:48:58.890 --> 00:48:59.160 But.

00:49:02.190 --> 00:49:02.580 Pat Duckworth: Join us.

00:50:58.230 --> 00:51:06.480 Pat Duckworth: Welcome back to the hot women rock radio show empowering women leaders at menopause where my guest today has been the Reverend Dr Tara Lynn.

00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:14.460 Pat Duckworth: And now i'm in the studio all on my own because she's had to rush off to be ready for her own radio show in just 15 minutes time.

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:28.290 Pat Duckworth: And I am going to be looking at what's been in the media and i've just chosen a few articles this week that I thought were really important, so the first one comes from the English paper, the British paper, the guardian.

00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:40.950 Pat Duckworth: I feel a responsibility to talk about men are Paul says Nicola sturgeon so For those of you, not in the UK and Nicholas sturgeon is the first minister of Scotland, and so it has a very responsible job.

00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:56.250 Pat Duckworth: And she says, this week we talked about the menopause much more i'm very conscious of being a woman with a profile and a platform a fair degree of influence, so I feel a responsibility, given that i'm at that age to talk about it myself.

00:51:56.910 --> 00:52:04.680 Pat Duckworth: And you're even talking about it like this i'm so far out of my comfort zone in terms of the intensely personal nature of it.

00:52:05.130 --> 00:52:14.820 Pat Duckworth: That tells me, no matter how far we've come in this discussion, we still have a long way to go, that somebody like me still feels kind of uncomfortable with it.

00:52:15.270 --> 00:52:26.670 Pat Duckworth: So it's really good that she's talking about it as a senior politician, as somebody who can make a difference to other women as a woman who works in a very male dominated.

00:52:27.570 --> 00:52:35.250 Pat Duckworth: Environment she told the newspaper that she'd already had a conversation with a doctor about taking hormone replacement therapy.

00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:47.430 Pat Duckworth: noting that her generation grew up reading now discredited sticks scare stories about the treatment and asking how many women just suffered in silence and suffer unnecessarily because of that.

00:52:47.940 --> 00:53:01.350 Pat Duckworth: When she's referring to the 2000 and what World Health initiative report that looked into hormone therapy and that that research project was stopped because a number of the women do develop breast cancer.

00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:07.980 Pat Duckworth: But those reports have been looked at, time and again now and there's much more information.

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:15.300 Pat Duckworth: asked her, she might deal with a hot flash during a work meeting, she said i'd like to think that i'd be open about it.

00:53:15.630 --> 00:53:24.810 Pat Duckworth: If you look around the world there's not been that many women leaders, I guess, Angela Merkel, in Germany must have gone through when she was in office, Hillary Clinton.

00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:37.590 Pat Duckworth: So if you've got that platform then i'd like to think i'd use that positively but i'm also a human being, so he says she's also a human being, she means you might be in a really high pressured situation she's.

00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:43.290 Pat Duckworth: confident about what she's got face she surrounded by men and then she has a hot flush.

00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:52.500 Pat Duckworth: And she might not want to acknowledge it, but then again they might think that she's embarrassed or she's lost her confidence because she's sweating.

00:53:52.770 --> 00:53:58.170 Pat Duckworth: And this is a situation that women in the workplace have so great that she's speaking out about it.

00:53:59.040 --> 00:54:13.590 Pat Duckworth: Another English newspaper The Telegraph the doctors treating low code long covert with HR team now, this was a discussion that started back in the summer of 2020 sighs interested to see this article.

00:54:14.160 --> 00:54:19.950 Pat Duckworth: It was while working at home that Dr Sarah Glenn and her husband Paul began to grow suspicious.

00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:28.800 Pat Duckworth: Sarah and NIH and H s general practitioner in option or sorry a medical specialist at london's portland hospital.

00:54:29.100 --> 00:54:39.150 Pat Duckworth: we're seeing an increasing number of women who appeared perimenopausal that's that time before multiples but also had good reason to think that they will suffering with long covert.

00:54:40.170 --> 00:54:51.780 Pat Duckworth: Her husband Paul a general practitioner and consultant at University College hospital was being inundated with long code patients and was inadvertently becoming a specialist in that area.

00:54:52.230 --> 00:54:59.400 Pat Duckworth: What surprised the couple was the realization that a significant portion of the symptoms, they were seeing crossed over.

00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:05.400 Pat Duckworth: During virtual appointments they found they were running up and down the stairs asking one another's advice.

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:11.790 Pat Duckworth: The symptom profiles of long code and menopause are almost identical says, Dr gillen.

00:55:12.540 --> 00:55:31.170 Pat Duckworth: Brain fog fatigue exhaustion not being able to exercise headaches chest pain palpitations irritable bowel skin rash skin rashes they're hard to differentiate there are two main barriers specific group of women access what could be life changing treatment.

00:55:32.310 --> 00:55:39.690 Pat Duckworth: hormone replacement therapy is unlikely to help younger women with long covert as they still have plentiful hormone reserves.

00:55:40.080 --> 00:55:46.650 Pat Duckworth: The first of the misconceptions is what is around the safety of hormone replacement therapy, which I just mentioned.

00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:52.770 Pat Duckworth: The second factor is the lack of evidence is currently no diagnostic test from long covert.

00:55:53.250 --> 00:56:04.260 Pat Duckworth: or a conclusive one for men nepal's blood tests is Dr Glenn can be misleading as women over 45 with Simpsons, although they can be helpful for prescribing hrt.

00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:12.960 Pat Duckworth: Making sure there's nothing else going on, so what can women do the best thing is to track your symptoms just what I was talking about with.

00:56:13.950 --> 00:56:20.460 Pat Duckworth: Dr Tara Lynn is if you're going along to your doctor with evidence about what you're experiencing.

00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:28.470 Pat Duckworth: says, then print off your report take it to the GP and say look I think it's a possibility that my hormone levels have been affected.

00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:45.030 Pat Duckworth: So there was a research project was going on in the summer of 2020 to see if hormone therapy, particularly giving doses of estrogen could help me cope with symptoms I don't know what happened to that, but it's interesting that that article has come up again.

00:56:46.530 --> 00:56:58.710 Pat Duckworth: In punch not the British magazine, this is punch in G so it's Nigeria, what you should know about fibroids and fertility and I was just discussing that with Dr carolyn.

00:56:59.070 --> 00:57:08.520 Pat Duckworth: fibroids our hormonal hormonal response responsive growing in the presence of the female hormone estrogen they're really found in girls who haven't reached puberty.

00:57:08.910 --> 00:57:20.700 Pat Duckworth: And tend to regress after menopause so sometimes women with fibroids are told to wait, because as their levels of estrogen go down during menopause they're likely to have less trouble with fibroids.

00:57:21.150 --> 00:57:30.330 Pat Duckworth: uterine fibroids up and nine non cancerous tumors of muscle tissue in the uterus they're also called my omar's and align my arm as.

00:57:30.690 --> 00:57:37.230 Pat Duckworth: They occur in a single muscle cell in the ward of the US just multiplies and gross for non cancerous tumor.

00:57:37.620 --> 00:57:44.400 Pat Duckworth: fibroids are found in 40 to 50% of women of reproductive age, but are more common in Africans.

00:57:44.700 --> 00:57:55.140 Pat Duckworth: The exact cause of uterine fibroids is unclear there's evidence, it may be a combination of genetic hormonal and environmental factors treatment is decided on a case by.

00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:09.630 Pat Duckworth: case basis, so that's just what we've been talking about an often women are offered his direct me if it's postmenopausal it's probably not too much of an issue if it's pre monopoles there's more to be discussed.

00:58:10.890 --> 00:58:18.840 Pat Duckworth: and articles time from the Florida news times about stress cortisol levels and menopausal hormones, so if it's just what we've been talking about.

00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:25.980 Pat Duckworth: cortisol is a hormone produced naturally by our bodies it's essential for our health and is often called the stress hormone.

00:58:26.520 --> 00:58:35.430 Pat Duckworth: Chronic cortisol elevation can wreak havoc on the delicate balance of our hormones and the adverse effects of excess cortisol me far reaching.

00:58:35.970 --> 00:58:45.300 Pat Duckworth: Long term stress can cause too much cortisol to be released increasing your risk for high blood pressure type type type two diabetes.

00:58:46.230 --> 00:58:57.240 Pat Duckworth: weight gain especially around the belly osteoporosis, and many other chronic diseases it's critical to balance cortisol levels throughout our lives, especially during menopause.

00:58:57.600 --> 00:59:03.060 Pat Duckworth: This is why managing your stress levels at menopause is particularly important.

00:59:03.930 --> 00:59:14.490 Pat Duckworth: cortisol levels increase with age specifically from a woman's 14 onwards menopause symptoms maples this increase in cortisol worsening menopausal symptoms.

00:59:15.180 --> 00:59:18.510 Pat Duckworth: i'm just going to skip a bit, because I know time is wearing on.

00:59:19.230 --> 00:59:30.450 Pat Duckworth: How to normalize your cortisol levels hormone replacement therapy can help healthy sleep keeping your sleeping and waking time the same each day and trying to get at least seven hours rest.

00:59:31.050 --> 00:59:36.150 Pat Duckworth: And limit electronic shoes in the bedroom leave that mobile phone outside bedroom.

00:59:36.990 --> 00:59:48.600 Pat Duckworth: exercise, regardless of which kind of exercise you choose helps to reduce stress actually long periods of cardiovascular exercise not so good if you're going for a jog keep it off now.

00:59:49.410 --> 01:00:10.500 Pat Duckworth: diet focus on a diet that doesn't spike your blood sugar Spikes in sugar can cause cortisol Spikes relaxation practices can reduce cortisol try deep breathing meditation going to yoga cutting back on or or out altogether alcohol and caffeine that can considerably significantly.

01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:25.440 Pat Duckworth: Doing that can reduce your cortisol levels so that was a quick cancer through that last bit Thank you again to Dr carolyn for an amazing conversation today and remember you can go to sacred intelligence calm.

01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:34.560 Pat Duckworth: and read more about her work, and of course she's on talk radio dot nyc if you need more help with your minerals and your menopausal symptoms.

01:00:35.370 --> 01:00:44.730 Pat Duckworth: I have a book called hot women call solutions you can find that on Amazon, and there are lots of bonus gifts of relaxations that can help you.

01:00:45.090 --> 01:00:56.550 Pat Duckworth: With your menopause symptoms so hot women core solution, as you can get it on Amazon, or you can contact me for more help I want one to one and in groups.

01:00:57.210 --> 01:01:05.160 Pat Duckworth: So stay tuned for the Reverend Dr tlc who's talking to a wonderful guest today Monica Rogers who are absolutely love.

01:01:05.490 --> 01:01:13.830 Pat Duckworth: The title of so it show is let's say yes to them, Miss delving into the importance of being really willing to have messy conversations.

01:01:14.250 --> 01:01:29.820 Pat Duckworth: Thank you to my producer today kyle join me, at the same time, next week, when I will be talking to the amazing Jennifer Hoff and that will be a very deep a wonderful conversation have a great week see you next week, thank you for listening.

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