Are you often told that you are too sensitive? Can you intuit things before they happen? Are you an introvert who cares deeply about the people and places around you?
Courtney Marchesani is the author of Four Gifts of the Highly Sensitive and developer of the Highly Sensitive Gifts Test. Her insights into sensitivity help readers identify their gifts of intuition, empathy, vision, and expression to maximize their potential, while also learning how former trauma may have shaped them.
Courtney’s health and wellness coaching style focuses on holistic medicine and finding balance while living with sensitivity. Since sensitivity is closely interconnected within the nervous systems and brain functioning, it is not something to “get rid of.”
She is known for her intuitive and empathic style which emphasizes acceptance, learning how sensitivity’s silent effects can impact mental, emotional, spiritual health and wellness. Allow your sensory intelligence to shine and relish your profound ability to connect with the world by recognizing and honoring your unique gift of sensitivity.
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Today’s episode starts off with a small heartfelt story from our host Georganne about how she herself is a sensitive person. Judi agrees that she too is, as she introduces today’s guest: Courtney Marchesani. The three talk about the stigma of being sensitive and Courtney goes on how she chooses to see being sensitive as a positive. Using studies to support her beliefs, she explains how being sensitive can be a beneficial and positive trait instead. She explains about how medical professionals and school teachers are starting to become more aware about sensitivity, but there is still a lot more to learn and embrace. Sensitivity is a powerful ability to be able to feel more complex emotions to achieve more intuity and other abilities. Courtney explains why she wanted to write her book to help people with their own individual journey to understanding their sensibility and ownself. Courtney then goes on to explain in depth the four different types of sensitivity: intuition, empaths, visionaries, and expressives.
Coming back from break, our hosts share their MBTI personality test results and their initial reactions to their results. Courtney explains the types of sensitivities in more depth as she gives examples to help the audience understand what makes each type so unique from each other. The three talk about how their religious beliefs and personal trauma and fears relate to their type of sensitivity. Courtney uses research studies that help us understand the science behind how there are psychological changes that showed how people seemed to become more intuitive through trauma and intergenerational experiences in families. The three discuss scientific discoveries overtime has shown how our genes can be changed by trauma and show how our understanding of ourselves inside and out will continue to change and grow over time.
Coming back, Courtney explains how attachment to parents as children can make the children more sensitive and intuitive. The amount of attention parents give to a child and how present they are, can greatly affect a child’s sensitivity. It can be considered a form of trauma if children aren’t receiving enough attention, as they are going to be constantly searching for some sort of attachment. Courtney explains what people who are sensitive should do. They should figure out their own energy before trying to understand others’ energy. The people that someone surrounds themselves with can greatly influence their energy in both negative and positive ways. After figuring yourself out, that is when you can begin to self love and work on yourself to become more resilient. Courtney describes what sensitive vision is and how it can go beyond the physical. They end this segment with a breathing exercise that helps calm anxiety and negative emotions.
They start the last segment talking about paranormal activity. She explains the misconceptions that come with the word “paranormal” and explains how these activities don’t necessarily have to be like the extreme and scary ghost stories and movies. Our hosts share an out of body experience they have had and Courtney explains what had happened in the moment. Courtney shares with the audience where they can find her book, Four Gifts of the Highly Sensitive, and connect and keep up with her on her website where people can take a test to see what type of sensitive they are. Courtney is available for consulting and teaches courses as well. Tonight’s episode ends in a special prayer.
00:00:39.930 --> 00:00:50.760 Georgeann Dau: Good evening and welcome to a journey through into awareness i'm one of your hosts that the Georgia and down and dirty Miller, of course, is here with us.
00:00:51.810 --> 00:00:59.970 Georgeann Dau: And, as always we're always grateful that you join us each week we're always grateful for those that find our.
00:01:01.020 --> 00:01:02.310 Georgeann Dau: Time here with you.
00:01:03.900 --> 00:01:14.250 Georgeann Dau: soulful meaningful and that it had something to your life as a child, I was always and still am very sensitive.
00:01:16.230 --> 00:01:25.260 Georgeann Dau: I would watch last seat for those of you old enough to remember lassie I would cry my eyes out where my mother would say to me.
00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:36.870 Georgeann Dau: Because last he would always get hurt or something always find your way home, it was it was a colleague, and I would cry my eyes out my mother would say that's it you're not watching this anymore, you too upset.
00:01:38.820 --> 00:02:01.320 Georgeann Dau: I felt everything so deeply and still do so, we have an incredible woman here with us tonight and she's going to help us dissect the many different levels of sensitivity and she's written a book and my incredible friends Judy Miller is going to be introducing her Thank you Judy.
00:02:02.130 --> 00:02:13.320 Judi Miller: Thank you, George and and I think one of the reasons why we get along so well, is, I believe i'm the sensitive as well, but in a different way and I think Courtney Courtney is going to explain the different types of sensitive so Courtney.
00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:30.900 Judi Miller: Mark Hassan is the author of four gifts of the highly sensitive and she's the developer of the highly sensitive gift test which georgiana and I both took her insights into sensitivity help readers identify their gifts of intuition empathy vision and expression.
00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:34.710 Judi Miller: To maximize their potential, while also learning how.
00:02:35.910 --> 00:02:43.320 Judi Miller: Former trauma may have shaped them Courtney was accepted, to the bigelow Institute of consciousness studies for her original work into the afterlife.
00:02:43.950 --> 00:02:52.050 Judi Miller: She has spent the past 20 years exploring the research gap that exists between what medical science believes, and how the gifted sensitive feels.
00:02:52.440 --> 00:03:09.630 Judi Miller: Courtney is known for intuitive and pathak style which emphasizes acceptance learning how sensitivities sound effects can impact mental emotional spiritual health, as well as wellness so we're so excited to have you here with us Courtney, welcome to journey through to awareness.
00:03:10.530 --> 00:03:21.510 Courtney Marchesani: wow Thank you what an intro I feel very blessed and very grateful to be here Thank you so much for the wonderful intro and it's it's all true it's all true everything that you said.
00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:24.690 Courtney Marchesani: It can all be done.
00:03:25.650 --> 00:03:41.790 Judi Miller: Well it's such a pleasure to have you here, and you know I really love the introduction, in your book your daughter said that it feels like sensitivity is a dirty word so for our listeners, what is your definition of sensitivity and actually are we all born with it.
00:03:43.050 --> 00:03:55.050 Courtney Marchesani: Well, she said that because I was entangling it myself right and how do I use words to describe this phenomenon and what it encompasses and she came back with that well, it sounds like it's a dirty word.
00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:03.570 Courtney Marchesani: And I thought it was so on point, because we really do here when we're sensitive that it's a problem for others.
00:04:03.990 --> 00:04:11.190 Courtney Marchesani: And it has been signified in that way that it's a problem, but I look at the flip side of it and the beautiful part of it as well.
00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:21.030 Courtney Marchesani: So sensitivity was studied in the 90s, you know it's we're one in four one in five people so 20% of the population is sensitive.
00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:37.560 Courtney Marchesani: it's clinically understood as a sensory awareness so you perceive more information through your senses than other people in the general population, but you also respond faster to what you're perceiving emotionally, and so that part.
00:04:37.890 --> 00:04:49.890 Courtney Marchesani: The second part is called emotional reactivity so sensitive people are kind of known by that emotional reactivity piece, but what it means is we have these intense powerful experiences.
00:04:50.280 --> 00:04:58.470 Courtney Marchesani: We perceive more and have more depth perception in our environment, so we get more information, but we might not necessarily know it that's how I describe it.
00:05:00.150 --> 00:05:07.680 Georgeann Dau: fascinating that's a very interesting way to describe it, and for sensitive people I would imagine, because as a psychoanalyst.
00:05:09.270 --> 00:05:29.700 Georgeann Dau: Most of us react to our feelings we want to get rid of them, so we react very quickly and as a sensitive individual, we must try a little harder and learn through processes to hold those feelings, so that we choose how to react to them instead of react off the cuff.
00:05:30.900 --> 00:05:36.030 Courtney Marchesani: Well i'm sure you know this, there is a problem in our medical model.
00:05:36.660 --> 00:05:51.120 Courtney Marchesani: That exists where when people have physical symptoms that aren't able to be diagnosed through a traditional diagnostic picture, then they get referred to psychiatry essentially because doctor say, well, this is must be emotional.
00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:58.170 Courtney Marchesani: This must be unresolved emotional issues or disruption of emotion, so the refer people who they can't really diagnose.
00:05:59.010 --> 00:06:11.760 Courtney Marchesani: To the field of psychiatry and so in that field you, you get referred for things like anxiety or mental health related issues, but even still sensitivity can fall through the cracks in that process, because not.
00:06:12.540 --> 00:06:18.210 Courtney Marchesani: Everybody learns when they go through Medical School or psychiatry or psychology what sensitivity is.
00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:24.510 Courtney Marchesani: And so it's kind of like having to back engineer it to some degree, when you're trying to figure it out now people.
00:06:24.840 --> 00:06:38.790 Courtney Marchesani: psycho therapists and therapists and counselors and educators and teachers are becoming more aware of what it is, but it's still there's a lot of subtle nuances in the medical model, and so a lot of people don't find relief in the medical system.
00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:47.370 Georgeann Dau: Well that's why i'm very grateful i'm a natural pebble so but that's why i'm very grateful that i'm a psychoanalyst and i'm not a therapist and i'm not a.
00:06:47.790 --> 00:07:03.480 Georgeann Dau: They psychiatrists they work very differently and always I work with my patients to help them realize that there's no such things too sensitive it doesn't exist there's no such thing it's what you do with your feelings.
00:07:04.470 --> 00:07:15.930 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely, I agree with you it's a powerful powerful ability to have such deep feelings, I think, sometimes we do see in that stigma buying that it is.
00:07:17.580 --> 00:07:30.030 Courtney Marchesani: You know, it is a way to kind of put sensitive people in a box, but it's so much more than that there are so many different abilities that come from those deep powerful emotions for intuition intuition, for example.
00:07:30.390 --> 00:07:37.080 Courtney Marchesani: intuition comes about because sensitive people are dealing with such complex emotions and I know you know this, but emotions are one of the most.
00:07:37.290 --> 00:07:50.910 Courtney Marchesani: difficult things for our brain to process, one of the most complex things for our brain to process, and so, when you become more adept at handling these deep feelings you get more intuition, you get more benefits through that processing, I know I know you know that.
00:07:50.970 --> 00:07:52.530 Courtney Marchesani: i'm talking i'm speaking to the choir.
00:07:52.770 --> 00:08:05.040 Georgeann Dau: Well Apps actually i'm delighted that i'd love to spend time with you off off the radio station i'm sure I can learn so much from you and tonight, of course, we're here for our listeners.
00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:14.550 Georgeann Dau: Right so everything you say is of great importance, and we appreciate every bit of knowledge, you bring and you bring so much Courtney, thank you.
00:08:14.850 --> 00:08:21.540 Courtney Marchesani: Well, thank you, I you know I get passionate you know I get lit up and I get excited about talking about it because it's.
00:08:22.260 --> 00:08:32.370 Courtney Marchesani: it's been such a long time working on it, you know and reading, all the studies and and talking about it, and I really do feel like this book was my way of providing something as a service.
00:08:32.760 --> 00:08:41.490 Courtney Marchesani: to people who are sensitive, so that they were looking for resources, it would be something that they might find along the way, in their own journey everybody has their own journey with sensitivity yeah.
00:08:41.520 --> 00:08:42.990 Georgeann Dau: I think you did a great job.
00:08:43.830 --> 00:08:50.100 Judi Miller: And I think that's why your book is so fascinating because there's so much information and resources for people who are sensitive.
00:08:50.430 --> 00:09:00.540 Judi Miller: So before we actually jump into what some of those are Can you explain to our listeners the different types of sensitive I believe their intuition empathy vision and expression and.
00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:10.890 Judi Miller: Dr George and I did take it beforehand so for our listeners who want to know what type of sensitive, they are, they can definitely go to courtney's website inspired potentials.com.
00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:21.480 Courtney Marchesani: So the interesting thing about the test is that it is kind of a psychometric tests that delineates for different types of giftedness of sensitivity.
00:09:21.810 --> 00:09:35.070 Courtney Marchesani: And so that that hasn't really been done it's never been done, where you've seen the umbrella of sensitivity and then the patterns now young did talk about different personality types, but this is a bit different.
00:09:35.610 --> 00:09:38.700 Courtney Marchesani: So i'll just preface that because we have a cycle analysts.
00:09:39.540 --> 00:09:47.610 Courtney Marchesani: On the call i'm not the first one that have done this, but it's it's different in the way that I did it so there's four types that I delineated intuition, we kind of mentioned.
00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:59.040 Courtney Marchesani: intuitive people are able to process in an extreme amount of information, very quickly, they are balancing their conscious in their unconscious and getting answers with lightning quick speed.
00:09:59.640 --> 00:10:06.210 Courtney Marchesani: They don't necessarily know how they're getting it it's not a logical thought process it comes through an intuitive process.
00:10:06.540 --> 00:10:11.850 Courtney Marchesani: So it's getting to A to Z without knowing how or why that's a really good way to describe intuition.
00:10:12.450 --> 00:10:19.380 Courtney Marchesani: It you they come unbidden answers are there and the intuitive knows they're right on the money, even though they don't know how or why.
00:10:19.590 --> 00:10:26.670 Courtney Marchesani: Okay, so that's intuitive but they're also not just getting those answers intuitively for themselves they're also looking at the big picture.
00:10:26.970 --> 00:10:34.230 Courtney Marchesani: they're looking at the world at large they're seeing different interconnections that other people don't necessarily pick up or see they follow their passions.
00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:41.490 Courtney Marchesani: They follow their own intuition into areas that are interesting to them and then they have this amazing ability to make connections.
00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:53.610 Courtney Marchesani: So they look at multiple kinds of systems thinking and they have a way of connecting at all they're also disruptors so they find out what socially is maybe happening in a system and they provide solutions that's what.
00:10:54.030 --> 00:11:02.460 Georgeann Dau: I think that's why I think this is why i'm gifted in my work for exactly what you just said that helps me so much.
00:11:02.550 --> 00:11:19.530 Courtney Marchesani: Oh good i'm so glad i'm so glad you recognize it and it validates me, you know when I hear people say oh that's me, you know I wanted to be able to have people perceive the information but go yeah because there are really practical practical things you can do to enhance the gifts.
00:11:20.670 --> 00:11:28.680 Courtney Marchesani: So i'm so glad to hear you say that the second one is empath the impasse the paths are the ones who actually feel.
00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:38.250 Courtney Marchesani: sensations in their mind and body from others, it sounds unbelievable it's totally true that the impasse tend to feel.
00:11:38.610 --> 00:11:46.500 Courtney Marchesani: I call it thoughtful feeling sometimes but mostly through their sensations of others, they can feel their emotions in their own mind and body.
00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:52.950 Courtney Marchesani: Which is profound right there, but then, when you start to dig into that capacity, they can.
00:11:53.460 --> 00:12:03.690 Courtney Marchesani: feel the motivations of others, they can feel currents emotional currents in different rooms and environments, they deeply connect with animals nature, I mean it goes empath Sir.
00:12:04.230 --> 00:12:10.620 Courtney Marchesani: it's a fascinating gift, then I go into the third gift, which is visionaries so visionaries have a very adept.
00:12:11.310 --> 00:12:16.260 Courtney Marchesani: visual field where they have a in their minds either able to see.
00:12:16.890 --> 00:12:27.270 Courtney Marchesani: With their imagination, or their sensory awareness spatial it's a spatial awareness so it's a spatial intelligence so through their visual mental field they're able to do problem solving.
00:12:27.570 --> 00:12:36.360 Courtney Marchesani: Their incredible problem solvers they're always turning things over in their visual field working on them so they're engineers they're cinematographers there.
00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:45.420 Courtney Marchesani: They there's a mapping function with visual with their spatial awareness so they can see maps cartography.
00:12:45.870 --> 00:12:52.950 Courtney Marchesani: directions navigation, I mean it's incredible how, when you start to break into the gifts and look at the subtle nuances how they evolve.
00:12:53.460 --> 00:13:02.700 Courtney Marchesani: Then there's the expressive so the expressive are the ultimate creators, they are when they're in their environment they're connecting deeply with the harmony.
00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:10.620 Courtney Marchesani: And the beauty of their environment they're very perceptive about the quality of meaning, and so they are.
00:13:10.980 --> 00:13:21.000 Courtney Marchesani: Really adept at having a static sensitivity, when I did all the research a sub factor and sensitivity was called a static, so they have this a static sensitivity and in their.
00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:29.400 Courtney Marchesani: In their reality, they have attended the sensitive synthesize synthesize all this beauty and harmony that they perceive and bring it through.
00:13:29.910 --> 00:13:39.930 Courtney Marchesani: Their expression so it's writers painters dancers, the ultimate creators and each gift has these subtle nuances so they express themselves in different ways.
00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:45.060 Judi Miller: yeah so Courtney Courtney that's interesting because when I took the test, I actually came back as an expressive.
00:13:45.510 --> 00:14:03.150 Judi Miller: Oh, which I wasn't really sure about, because one of the things that I can do is I can actually sense and feel different energies around me, and you know as a child it terrified me and also loud noises loud people smells it's actually very hyper sensitive.
00:14:04.110 --> 00:14:04.860 Courtney Marchesani: So it's oh yeah.
00:14:05.550 --> 00:14:09.570 Courtney Marchesani: it's interesting how when when the hypersensitivity kicks in.
00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:26.190 Courtney Marchesani: it's interesting to see how you'll have this multi sensory awareness Okay, is what I call it, which is basically a blending of these types of extreme okay so you'll see your senses heightened when you're in hypersensitivity mode.
00:14:26.790 --> 00:14:39.510 Courtney Marchesani: you'll have auditory where you hear more or you can smell more and so hypersensitivity is a little bit farther out on that extreme, but the gifts unfold in really magnificent ways.
00:14:39.540 --> 00:14:40.590 Courtney Marchesani: Through hyper sensitive.
00:14:40.620 --> 00:14:45.360 Courtney Marchesani: sensitivity so they're they're kind of separate issues but not really because they all overlap.
00:14:45.810 --> 00:14:56.310 Georgeann Dau: This is so exciting to hear more from Courtney, when we come right back to a journey through and some awareness we'll be right back, thank you for joining us tonight.
00:17:18.450 --> 00:17:24.000 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back to a journey through into awareness we're here this evening with Courtney.
00:17:25.620 --> 00:17:26.100 Georgeann Dau: Martin more.
00:17:27.570 --> 00:17:28.080 Judi Miller: discerning.
00:17:29.460 --> 00:17:29.910 Courtney Marchesani: yeah.
00:17:31.050 --> 00:17:31.590 Courtney Marchesani: I mean even.
00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.290 Courtney Marchesani: When I see it, I still go.
00:17:36.630 --> 00:17:38.550 Georgeann Dau: In and like an Italian accent.
00:17:39.270 --> 00:17:40.890 Georgeann Dau: But on a.
00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:52.710 Georgeann Dau: Pakistani anyway we're back i'm, you know as part of my training I learned to and i'm certified to conduct myers briggs.
00:17:53.790 --> 00:18:13.380 Georgeann Dau: which was called young's influence and I saw it just flavors of myers briggs in parts of your work, and when I did when I took the assessment on your site could could could we have more than one.
00:18:14.070 --> 00:18:18.120 Georgeann Dau: Yes, because I see myself into at least definitely to with them.
00:18:18.270 --> 00:18:24.420 Georgeann Dau: The sensitive in fifth and the sensitive intuitive and i'm i'm a E and F J.
00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:26.880 Courtney Marchesani: Okay i'm an IMF Jay.
00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:33.120 Georgeann Dau: And it's funny because I took it in I was in INF Jay and I said I refuse to.
00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:37.950 Georgeann Dau: accept that because oh yeah well going, but then I got i'm probably a million fj.
00:18:38.130 --> 00:18:48.660 Courtney Marchesani: So how do you well just because you're an INF J doesn't mean you're not outgoing but it's so interesting, the way the way they outgoing personality comes out in an eye on fj.
00:18:49.230 --> 00:19:02.790 Courtney Marchesani: it's very curious and and a lot of people say, well, I refuse to accept INF J it's a common thing because they feel like they're more outward but it's it's how you do the outward thing I think don't you know.
00:19:03.090 --> 00:19:05.160 Georgeann Dau: About yeah I agree, yes.
00:19:05.310 --> 00:19:07.950 Judi Miller: So I think it's funny that we have three INF chase on.
00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:11.100 Courtney Marchesani: Oh.
00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:13.170 Courtney Marchesani: that's so cool.
00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:14.550 Courtney Marchesani: Very cool.
00:19:14.790 --> 00:19:21.390 Judi Miller: And Courtney due to the nature of this show one of the things that i'd love for you to talk about is spiritual empathy.
00:19:21.750 --> 00:19:30.690 Judi Miller: And you said it's really sensing from the heart and going beyond the ego to really to experience that supreme expanded consciousness so i'd love to hear more about that.
00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:32.880 Georgeann Dau: And then about here.
00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:37.830 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely, and you know young talked about the transcendent function.
00:19:38.820 --> 00:19:45.360 Courtney Marchesani: You know and he's one of the people that I always rely on for this, because he talks about how the ego.
00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:53.610 Courtney Marchesani: will dissolve when you get into those more expansive states of awareness so for spiritual empath it really does show up that way it's totally beyond.
00:19:53.850 --> 00:20:10.560 Courtney Marchesani: Regular everyday consciousness it's a wide open expansiveness feelings of joy bliss states and it doesn't have to be doing like ecstatic dance it's it's empath spiritual empath I feel this feeling when they're doing things that they love to do.
00:20:11.130 --> 00:20:20.460 Courtney Marchesani: So it could even be a lot of times it's connecting with others, you know if you're a counselor you know spiritual empath it'll be through that deep connection with another person's soul.
00:20:21.090 --> 00:20:32.610 Courtney Marchesani: That they feel that feeling that deep ecstatic bliss but it's also an other pursuits that spiritual empath choose to do it could be, it could be any pursuit really any type of artistic.
00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:45.600 Courtney Marchesani: Anything where they're immersing their attention fully in something they love to do, they will feel more bliss more Ecstasy more connectedness that transcendent feeling that goes beyond the ego and connects with the all.
00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:58.080 Courtney Marchesani: With the all that is spiritual empath can go there, I think that's one of the things that really delineates them from other types of empath is they feel a connection to God or divine or goddess and.
00:20:58.710 --> 00:21:06.120 Courtney Marchesani: And they can embody that and then they can bring it through them, they can kind of channel it through them and other people feel it when they're around them.
00:21:06.690 --> 00:21:23.310 Courtney Marchesani: So it's it's a it's a great it's a great thing for our societies to have spiritual paths working in communities and connecting in service culture and helping their communities, because they're doing work for a higher purpose absolutely.
00:21:23.610 --> 00:21:26.790 Georgeann Dau: And is it isn't that also your heart.
00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:28.980 Courtney Marchesani: Definitely.
00:21:29.070 --> 00:21:29.250 Georgeann Dau: I.
00:21:29.370 --> 00:21:30.510 Courtney Marchesani: mean I, I have to.
00:21:30.510 --> 00:21:36.810 Courtney Marchesani: say I mean I used to be an atheist, and so I I was when I was younger I was really just totally psychology.
00:21:37.020 --> 00:21:49.530 Courtney Marchesani: Mind you know body was all there was and but then I had profound experiences that made me change my mind about that spiritual part, so I definitely feel like i'm a spiritual empath absolutely.
00:21:49.860 --> 00:21:58.200 Judi Miller: Even Courtney, one of the things that I found so fascinated and resonated so much with me in the book is for most of my life I had this irrational fear of the dark.
00:21:59.370 --> 00:22:05.310 Judi Miller: And I mentioned before, that I can feel and sense different energies and what I read in your book was about the science of epigenetics.
00:22:05.580 --> 00:22:10.140 Judi Miller: That you know we can actually inherit the pain and the trauma from our parents, as well as our ancestors.
00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:20.580 Judi Miller: And one of the things that you mentioned in your book is that sometimes that intergenerational trauma can actually switch on that sensitivity So could you expand a little bit about that.
00:22:21.270 --> 00:22:29.910 Courtney Marchesani: Yes, this was many years researching this, and so I am glad you brought it up, because in some cultures, it has been known.
00:22:30.150 --> 00:22:38.550 Courtney Marchesani: It has been known that trauma gets passed down intergenerational a but we didn't know that in you know modern science until about 10 years ago when they started to study.
00:22:38.850 --> 00:22:49.680 Courtney Marchesani: You know genomics and DNA and epigenetics, and so I was watching an already researching trauma and already asking myself well what genes get turned on and off.
00:22:50.580 --> 00:22:54.180 Courtney Marchesani: So there was a lot of research 10 years ago that was doing.
00:22:54.810 --> 00:23:02.070 Courtney Marchesani: You know, different types of cancer different types of diabetes that we're looking at the genetic part of it, but that hadn't really resolved the traumatic piece.
00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:15.000 Courtney Marchesani: And they finally found through different studies that that part of it does get turned on through epigenetics, and so the study that I mentioned in the book that is fascinating is the one about.
00:23:15.300 --> 00:23:20.070 Courtney Marchesani: The Stanford research institute did you read that study about how intuitive people.
00:23:20.820 --> 00:23:31.020 Courtney Marchesani: They put about 100 people in an MRI that were considered intuitive and they actually found physiological neuro anatomical changes in the intuitive sample size.
00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:35.970 Courtney Marchesani: It was in the car payment and there was thickened white matter.
00:23:36.600 --> 00:23:46.440 Courtney Marchesani: That allowed these intuitive to be more intuitive to make faster judgments faster decisions, but not only that they also had anomalous experiences like what you're talking about.
00:23:46.650 --> 00:23:56.130 Courtney Marchesani: Where they sense the presence, or they saw things that other people did not see you know discarded spirits, or what we call hallucinations right in psychiatry.
00:23:56.430 --> 00:24:12.810 Courtney Marchesani: But anomalous phenomenon essentially hearing voices and so they found out that these were actually epigenetic changes that happened in family both bloodlines because they followed the hundred people, and then they went wider and looked at their families and they found the same changes.
00:24:15.030 --> 00:24:24.090 Courtney Marchesani: It is because that's the part that the science is showing us, because in traditions ancient ancient traditions traditional medicine, especially in.
00:24:24.360 --> 00:24:33.360 Courtney Marchesani: China and Chinese medicine they had this all along, but it was it was never addressed you know Chinese medicine is very old it gets passed down.
00:24:33.570 --> 00:24:41.280 Courtney Marchesani: But they had this in their medicine for a long time that there is trauma that gets passed down and families and it's addressed through a certain model there.
00:24:41.670 --> 00:24:50.760 Courtney Marchesani: But it didn't come over to the West, and so in some societies, this has been known that ancestral traumatic experience gets passed down to the lineage.
00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:57.360 Courtney Marchesani: yeah it's just taken Western science a lot longer to catch up in that way in the scientific way.
00:24:57.900 --> 00:25:13.470 Georgeann Dau: You know I certainly don't have the background that you doing this, but I was the understanding, because I took courses at UCLA that they used to consider epigenetics EPI genomes junk DNA, but what they found now is that they're just not coded.
00:25:13.830 --> 00:25:14.310 Georgeann Dau: So the reason.
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:25.500 Georgeann Dau: i'm even bringing this up, is that we have the ability, through lifestyle changes patterns of change of thought diet exercise what we were brought up with.
00:25:25.830 --> 00:25:49.290 Georgeann Dau: Those of you that know me, you know our pre talking experience and how we come from that blueprint and how, through awareness, were able to shift that blueprint and change those EPI genomes into a new flavor a new ability to perceive yes.
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:58.290 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely, I mean it makes me think of that one quintessential study that was done on epigenetics with the agouti mice they took a duty mice right and the mom.
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:09.030 Courtney Marchesani: And the mom was you know bigger fatter because they fed her you know they fed her you know stuff to make her genes turn on, and then they studied her babies.
00:26:09.330 --> 00:26:18.810 Courtney Marchesani: And the babies had you know, a similar color but that's how they started to study the gene and the epigenetic stuff that gets turned on because the MICE had different.
00:26:19.560 --> 00:26:22.320 Courtney Marchesani: Genes epigenetic changes because of the mother.
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:35.880 Courtney Marchesani: And so it's interesting the booty my study is exactly like where that started to happen through the genome and mapping the GMO gnome and then doing these very fine studies on the epigenetics and you can see that the environment does change the genes.
00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:44.040 Courtney Marchesani: So with trauma it does change the genes, so you don't know where along the line the sense sensitivity gene got turned on.
00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:53.610 Courtney Marchesani: You know, but I do think that that work will be done in the future will they'll start to track epigenetics for sensitivity like that, like the Stanford research, study.
00:26:53.850 --> 00:26:54.240 Courtney Marchesani: Well, there.
00:26:54.540 --> 00:26:59.490 Courtney Marchesani: are going to start you know, trying to fine tune that and see where along the line they can now.
00:26:59.730 --> 00:27:00.750 It could only story.
00:27:02.430 --> 00:27:11.220 Judi Miller: It is very exciting, you know, one of the studies that I thought was interesting as well with my says when they introduced the scent of cherry blossoms and then they would zap the MICE on the feet.
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:24.360 Judi Miller: And then, after a while they would just introduce the smell of cherry cherry blossoms and the MICE would still have that panic and the fear, but what was interesting is just the sense of cherry blossoms would trigger the same fear in their offspring, and their offsprings offspring.
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:35.100 Courtney Marchesani: it's the same yes it's the same type of concept, where you have the inverse of stimulus and the adverse a stimulus when it's very powerful invokes the response, and so, if you think about.
00:27:35.340 --> 00:27:43.320 Courtney Marchesani: trauma and you think about ptsd and you think about those reactions that we get when anything horrific happens right the unthinkable.
00:27:43.890 --> 00:27:55.800 Courtney Marchesani: Then that trains, the body and the mind in a certain way, so the children can either be that can be a pretty predisposition for them or not so with sensitivity it's really interesting because some kids are more sensitive when they're born.
00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:05.370 Courtney Marchesani: Some parents don't have as much sensitivity or not at all, and so, sometimes you'll see a sensitive kid get born to parents and you're like what happened here it's the genetic.
00:28:06.060 --> 00:28:20.850 Courtney Marchesani: ancestral inheritance that's being passed down, so the kid had a predisposition and then that's where the sensitivity shows up so that's why I wrote the book is to help parents as well, I mean it's not for parents, but you know, to educate folks about Oh, I might have a sensitive kid.
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:27.870 Judi Miller: You know Courtney, we do have to take a break momentarily but one of the things that we would love for you to continue discussing after the break.
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:41.310 Judi Miller: Is that you mentioned in your book that sometimes when children don't bond with their parents, they could actually create that that develop that sense of heightened sensitivity as well sure that's great so much to the code so.
00:28:41.310 --> 00:28:46.710 Georgeann Dau: we'll be right back to a journey through into awareness with Courtney we'll be right back.
00:31:23.610 --> 00:31:34.080 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back for those of you possibly just joining us and middle of our show this is a journey through into awareness and we're here with Courtney Courtney mark hasani.
00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:45.510 Judi Miller: So Courtney, one of the things you were asking you, before the break is when attachment at a young age to our parents is disrupted, how can that actually affect the child's sensitivities.
00:31:46.350 --> 00:31:49.860 Courtney Marchesani: Well attachment is such a huge thing.
00:31:50.250 --> 00:32:04.110 Courtney Marchesani: You and so when we're yeah when we're not attached to our parents, for whatever reason, whether there is a separation, you know physically or an illness or their you know life demands.
00:32:05.730 --> 00:32:18.540 Courtney Marchesani: The child responds in a way, searching sensor really searching sincerely for the connection right sending all that energy out through the senses to find that attachment connection.
00:32:21.390 --> 00:32:23.970 Courtney Marchesani: And werent is not mindfully.
00:32:26.820 --> 00:32:45.450 Courtney Marchesani: tuning to the child apparent is present, but they're not mindfully a tuning to the child with attention the child aims to seek out that safety, so when the child is seeking for safety, the the sensors become more and more and more acute.
00:32:50.340 --> 00:32:51.690 Judi Miller: Unfortunately i'm.
00:32:52.020 --> 00:32:53.580 Courtney Marchesani: Courtney awareness becomes more acute.
00:32:55.830 --> 00:32:57.240 Georgeann Dau: Whitney can you hear us.
00:32:57.330 --> 00:32:59.370 Courtney Marchesani: I can hear you can you hear me.
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.020 Judi Miller: Oh there's a slight interruption.
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:02.730 Georgeann Dau: shoot yeah.
00:33:04.770 --> 00:33:07.020 Courtney Marchesani: Wait a SEC it'll catch up.
00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:14.220 Judi Miller: But we love what you're talking about at it, yes, we can hear you we love what you're talking about, so please continue.
00:33:17.310 --> 00:33:29.100 Courtney Marchesani: So if there's not a clear, consistent connectivity with the parent, which has an attachment and paying mindful attention to the child and attuning to the child with direct attention.
00:33:29.820 --> 00:33:42.180 Courtney Marchesani: The child knows that, and seeks to find the parent through their senses, because the census developed first when we're in utero and when we come out, so the senses, are the first thing right through childhood development.
00:33:42.810 --> 00:33:52.710 Courtney Marchesani: That we have to find safety and detect safety in our environment, so when a parent is not present, children will use their sensory awareness more often to feel that sense of safety.
00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:02.280 Courtney Marchesani: So we become more sensitive when there is a lack of an attachment because we're a tuning all the time trying to find trying to find the safety and detect it.
00:34:02.520 --> 00:34:03.960 Courtney Marchesani: and feel safer environment.
00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:06.630 Georgeann Dau: Would you consider that a form of travel.
00:34:07.050 --> 00:34:14.670 Courtney Marchesani: Yes, I absolutely do, and even to the subtlety the subtlety of the parent paying mindful attention.
00:34:15.060 --> 00:34:20.430 Courtney Marchesani: Right it's the attentional aspect when there's the attentional aspect isn't there.
00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:36.420 Courtney Marchesani: The child will seek to feel that connectivity from the parent, and so, even if you have a parent whose home, but really unwell, or maybe they have chronic illness and so they can't mindfully attuned and pay mindful attention to their child the child is still seeking matt.
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.730 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely safety repair.
00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:41.040 Georgeann Dau: Yes.
00:34:41.460 --> 00:34:47.070 Judi Miller: So Courtney for people who are sensitive, how can we learn to establish appropriate boundaries.
00:34:49.140 --> 00:34:57.300 Courtney Marchesani: Well, I think a lot of times when, especially for the empath for the gifted empath it's it's very difficult to discern that initially.
00:34:57.540 --> 00:35:05.790 Courtney Marchesani: So you have to be able to detect me from not me because impasse literally, especially the gifted empath too far out there on the spectrum.
00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:13.560 Courtney Marchesani: They cannot filter they cannot filter that energy out they don't know how to I mean it's just, it is a gift but it's also.
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:24.090 Courtney Marchesani: A double edge, so you have to discern me my own feelings my own sense of awareness versus someone else, and that can take a while, so my first thing is to.
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:36.480 Courtney Marchesani: figure out your own energy your own awareness versus others and that takes time, but always I like to tell people as especially as a bit of advice if you're around other people and you're suddenly hit.
00:35:37.080 --> 00:35:47.640 Courtney Marchesani: With a wave it feels like an oncoming wave that just takes over you especially grief, where you just feel sadness, but you're not sure why it's always good to take a step back, take a walk.
00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:57.900 Courtney Marchesani: Get remove yourself from the room, and if you feel equilibrium, where you feel better or you feel brighter or your mood changes, you can know that that was you picking up on somebody else's energy.
00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:06.240 Courtney Marchesani: So it's those kind of practical techniques that you have to employ a lot when you're an empath or an intuitive because you need to be able to detect.
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:12.630 Courtney Marchesani: Okay that's them that's their boundaries and they might be over it in my own physical space or energetic space.
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:20.280 Courtney Marchesani: And so it becomes about grounding physically grounding yourself, it becomes about being able to perceive and detect me versus not me.
00:36:20.550 --> 00:36:31.290 Courtney Marchesani: And then it becomes about doing that therapeutic work routinely self care practices that are therapeutic to help you become more resilient when you're around others because, unfortunately, you can't.
00:36:31.770 --> 00:36:43.980 Courtney Marchesani: You can't change your central nervous system, you cannot change the fact that you're a deep empath or an intuitive, but you can work with it and become more resilient being around other people it's totally possible.
00:36:44.490 --> 00:36:46.290 Georgeann Dau: mm hmm very good beautiful.
00:36:47.640 --> 00:36:55.890 Judi Miller: So Courtney have had some you know i've gone through some past life regressions and had some memories of past lives So what exactly is sensitive vision.
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:10.200 Courtney Marchesani: Sensitive vision is the ability to with that mind's eye Okay, however, you want to, however, you want to catalog that the mind's eye extends beyond just visual perception when you're awake.
00:37:11.370 --> 00:37:18.120 Courtney Marchesani: So it can also be working for you when you're asleep, or when you're in altered States sometimes people have described.
00:37:19.140 --> 00:37:32.220 Courtney Marchesani: Seeing themselves in other lives, some people have described near death experiences, where they expand beyond their physical body and their vision is the only sense they have left and so visually they're able to see themselves.
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:39.150 Courtney Marchesani: see their the afterlife or the EDEN space that they're brought to so the visual sensory awareness remains.
00:37:39.570 --> 00:37:50.550 Courtney Marchesani: Regardless I mean, so you have people that have visual sensory awareness that are blind right they have you know, Charles body syndrome is a syndrome of individuals have elderly that start to see.
00:37:51.270 --> 00:38:04.770 Courtney Marchesani: things appear right so that is a visual awareness, but they're blind and so i'd like to take away some of the like traditional thinking around visual sensory perception, because a lot of times we just think that's.
00:38:05.430 --> 00:38:10.620 Courtney Marchesani: Well what's in front of us, but visual sensory awareness goby goes beyond the physical.
00:38:11.430 --> 00:38:12.510 Georgeann Dau: Does that make sense.
00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:14.010 Courtney Marchesani: yeah it's.
00:38:14.580 --> 00:38:20.160 Courtney Marchesani: it's kind of a hard esoteric concept to understand, but sometimes the visual sensory awareness is what is.
00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:24.900 Courtney Marchesani: Left even through profound consciousness changes that's a good way to describe it.
00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:29.550 Georgeann Dau: Could it also be audio sensory awareness.
00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:40.710 Courtney Marchesani: Yes, it's auditory so there's a thing called auditory intuition, so people who have auditory intuition get a lot of their answers through sound so they're sound sensitive.
00:38:40.950 --> 00:38:47.550 Courtney Marchesani: And that sound sensitivity, usually goes throughout their whole life, where they're sensitive to sounds, but the way that it works through the.
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:57.960 Courtney Marchesani: intuitive capacity is that they'll receive answers through sound or they get promptings auditory promptings and so it's a knowing that comes through editorially.
00:38:59.430 --> 00:39:09.720 Judi Miller: And Courtney I think that's one of the reasons why I love the work that you're doing, I know that in the past sometimes when people say that they hear things oftentimes people think it's a sign of mental.
00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:11.220 Georgeann Dau: illness, yes, yes.
00:39:11.670 --> 00:39:19.770 Courtney Marchesani: yeah well, I have a good mental health background, and so the thing that is interesting about auditory intuition is it's not pathological.
00:39:20.490 --> 00:39:36.720 Courtney Marchesani: And so, a lot of people get confused about things like a hallucination or a delusion or you know these things that we attribute to mental illness, whereas these types of intuitive and empathic experiences are not pathological.
00:39:37.770 --> 00:39:51.360 Courtney Marchesani: So they don't amount to a mental illness diagnosis, or a lifestyle that they are not able to live they're not able to live or cope with their life now do they get complex.
00:39:51.720 --> 00:40:02.400 Courtney Marchesani: Yes, they get very complex do they get card too hard to cope with yes, and the reason why is because sometimes you get so much profound information through the sensory channels that it's hard to.
00:40:02.850 --> 00:40:07.530 Courtney Marchesani: Take it all in I had one teacher, she was an FBI profiler I wrote about her in the book.
00:40:07.890 --> 00:40:15.330 Courtney Marchesani: where she described we're in a little CAFE in livingston Montana and we're just sitting there having a latte and she just gets hit.
00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:25.200 Courtney Marchesani: With this information very intuitive very empathic and she said, sometimes I just get hit with a fire hose of information and I thought that was a great way to explain it.
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:35.340 Courtney Marchesani: She perceived it like a huge stream, and so I asked her well how do you cope with all that information coming in, and she said it's like over a wave.
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:36.270 Georgeann Dau: You to.
00:40:36.450 --> 00:40:44.190 Courtney Marchesani: get it down you just ride the wave, so the part that I do, that I think is very beneficial about the teaching is happy.
00:40:45.540 --> 00:40:55.830 Courtney Marchesani: To do, how to cope on what looks like what it feels like so people don't feel like they have a mental illness, because that is a lot of times, where we go, unfortunately.
00:40:56.160 --> 00:41:07.860 Courtney Marchesani: Oh i'm sick or i'm crazy or you know reactive all the time, people are calling me crazy maybe I am well, maybe you're not maybe you're sensitive, you know, like that's my advocacy approach, it really is.
00:41:07.890 --> 00:41:19.470 Courtney Marchesani: it's it's a common sense approach but it's taken me a lot of years to get here to kind of know those subtle differences, and I know my own limitations and if I get referred by somebody who's who is dealing with a mental health issue, then I refer them.
00:41:19.830 --> 00:41:20.670 Courtney Marchesani: Appropriately right.
00:41:21.270 --> 00:41:23.580 Georgeann Dau: Absolutely beautiful yeah.
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.120 Courtney Marchesani: yeah because mental illness, you know it is real.
00:41:27.390 --> 00:41:36.000 Courtney Marchesani: It is real, sadly, and you know i'm not against psycho pharmacology and all those you know traditional Western medicine things that can really help.
00:41:37.950 --> 00:41:45.150 Judi Miller: Courtney, one of the things that you said was so important was self care, and I know that the back portion of your book talks about things that sensitive can do.
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:54.300 Judi Miller: Can you go through some of them one of them, you know Georgia knows that I love breath work, and I know that you have a whole section on prom yama so Is there something that you can teach our listeners.
00:41:56.670 --> 00:42:10.590 Courtney Marchesani: Sure 478 is one of the best best breath techniques to stop a panic attack and so, in my coaching practice in the clinic that I work if I ever get referred to somebody with somebody has anxiety, I always teach for seven days so let's do 478.
00:42:11.010 --> 00:42:16.800 Courtney Marchesani: Great ready everything in 1234 and hold.
00:42:19.560 --> 00:42:21.300 Courtney Marchesani: For seven and breathing out.
00:42:24.930 --> 00:42:27.270 Courtney Marchesani: For eight one more time breathing in.
00:42:30.390 --> 00:42:31.800 Courtney Marchesani: For count hold.
00:42:35.100 --> 00:42:36.450 Courtney Marchesani: breathing out through your mouth.
00:42:37.980 --> 00:42:40.920 Courtney Marchesani: 487.
00:42:42.240 --> 00:42:54.180 Courtney Marchesani: it's so relaxing it takes any kind of anxiety and just wipes it away resets the nervous system, puts you into parasympathetic nervous system, response and you can feel the difference.
00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:56.970 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely absolutely.
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:06.000 Courtney Marchesani: Very calming yes, yes, the breathing for any kind of panic any kind of anxiety any kind of unprocessed emotional.
00:43:07.020 --> 00:43:12.180 Courtney Marchesani: high energy activation breathing is one of the best stepping stones.
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:13.260 Georgeann Dau: yeah.
00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:28.560 Courtney Marchesani: And then the second thing is grounding yeah The second thing is grounding I mean they sound simple but they're powerful tools grounding grounding through your see grounding in your feet walking around at home barefooted to really feel the Earth is so grounding.
00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:38.010 Judi Miller: yeah I actually saw one of your previous interviews and and one of the things that I love to do is I love to do central channel breathing while i'm walking in nature, exercising.
00:43:38.370 --> 00:43:45.450 Judi Miller: So one of the things that you described was you know the benefits of actually combining you know breath work, as well as being out in nature.
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:59.700 Courtney Marchesani: Absolutely absolutely movement meditations are wonderful they did a study in Japan on highly sensitive academics, who were experiencing depression and and movement and exercise reduced their depression.
00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:05.970 Georgeann Dau: yeah they market that with with all five results, so we have to take a break we'll be right back, thank you for joining us.
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:50.940 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back to a journey through until awareness and we are here with Chelsea speaking about.
00:46:52.410 --> 00:46:53.580 Georgeann Dau: a wonderful book.
00:46:55.140 --> 00:46:56.160 Courtney Marchesani: The forgets.
00:46:57.180 --> 00:46:58.590 Georgeann Dau: Of the highly sensitive.
00:46:59.100 --> 00:47:09.810 Georgeann Dau: very interesting material and she talks about so much more you're on a show tonight, and you know, every week, we have really wonderful people on we're so blessed.
00:47:10.230 --> 00:47:27.270 Georgeann Dau: That God sends us all these great people and we desire them and they come in and they offer all of us a new perspective on life to make our lives more whole and better I love your work so much, I really do Chelsea.
00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:27.960 Really.
00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:33.690 Georgeann Dau: really great work so in your book you talk about some paranormal.
00:47:35.550 --> 00:47:37.830 Georgeann Dau: material, could you talk a little bit about that.
00:47:39.690 --> 00:47:56.910 Courtney Marchesani: Well, I think that there are there's confusion around experiences and so they're called paranormal they're called supernatural they're called super normal they're called super mundane they're called exceptional anomalous you know abnormal I mean, so it depends on.
00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:03.900 Courtney Marchesani: The type of experience that it is, but people who are in that extreme of sensitivity.
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:17.880 Courtney Marchesani: tend to have more anomalous experiences so they do hear voices right whether it's an intuition that's leading them a certain way or providing spiritual direction, it does seem to be consistent.
00:48:18.540 --> 00:48:25.620 Courtney Marchesani: or they will have a visual visual perception that's different and others and that there's like a light.
00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:36.120 Courtney Marchesani: vibration that's the best way to describe it, that can appear right, and so it could be an image it could be an image of a loved one his past, it could be an image of something else.
00:48:36.390 --> 00:48:41.820 Courtney Marchesani: It could be a hypnotic image that happens, before you wake up where you see something right in front of the visual field.
00:48:42.390 --> 00:48:54.300 Courtney Marchesani: So these types of experiences are called anomalous because they depart from the traditional normal normal sensory experience that most of us have they go out into the far end of the spectrum.
00:48:55.500 --> 00:49:03.180 Georgeann Dau: I was having a naturopathic treatment with my osteopath this was the only time this happened to me.
00:49:04.200 --> 00:49:19.860 Georgeann Dau: Because i've had other things, and as I was lying there, I saw myself hovering above my body looking down I had never had anything like that, before, and you know, I do have somewhat of a science background, so I always need some sort of understanding.
00:49:20.520 --> 00:49:21.570 Georgeann Dau: So I was happy.
00:49:21.570 --> 00:49:33.840 Georgeann Dau: To you know, look into that a little bit and see that there is some people like myself that like Judy like yourself that you know do experience that.
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.500 Courtney Marchesani: That is called non pathological.
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:44.640 Courtney Marchesani: add a body and so it's a form of your identity you're still have your identity.
00:49:45.060 --> 00:49:57.630 Courtney Marchesani: When you have a consciousness expansion moment where you're able to perceive right your body your own mind your sense of place in time, where you are but it's a different perspective outside the body or vertical.
00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:04.830 Courtney Marchesani: Vertical perception is a type of perception, where you can perceive still perceive.
00:50:05.550 --> 00:50:24.600 Courtney Marchesani: But in more of an expanded state, but your identity is still intact, not only that you can also detect and and pick up facts in the environment that are true that are happening around at the same time, so that's a non pathological type of consciousness expansion.
00:50:25.350 --> 00:50:26.550 Courtney Marchesani: hmm so.
00:50:26.610 --> 00:50:28.680 Courtney Marchesani: that's how it would be described clean.
00:50:30.180 --> 00:50:30.690 Georgeann Dau: Thank you.
00:50:30.720 --> 00:50:33.480 Georgeann Dau: I brought a broad question i'm asking I.
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.030 Courtney Marchesani: understand, but your identity is still intact.
00:50:36.060 --> 00:50:37.170 Courtney Marchesani: you're still you.
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:38.700 Georgeann Dau: Yes, absolutely.
00:50:39.090 --> 00:50:49.470 Judi Miller: So Courtney week and talk to you for another hour, but before we run out of time, you want to give our listeners an opportunity to know how they could actually connect with you learn more about you where to get your book.
00:50:51.930 --> 00:50:54.780 Courtney Marchesani: Oh, my gosh that book is like a dream come true i'll tell you.
00:50:55.860 --> 00:51:07.800 Courtney Marchesani: So you can find the book right online it's it's in local libraries now, so I found out that it's in some libraries across the country, which is to me like totally heart and soul, because that's where I used to go when I was young.
00:51:07.860 --> 00:51:09.000 Courtney Marchesani: To my local library.
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:19.260 Courtney Marchesani: You can find me at inspire potentials.com online where I have a full website that talks about sensitivity and its effects, I also have the gifted sensitive test.
00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:26.820 Courtney Marchesani: So if you're curious whether you're an intuitive or an empath or a visionary you think you follow along these lines, you can take the test, it is a little bit long.
00:51:28.020 --> 00:51:28.830 Courtney Marchesani: And i'm sorry about.
00:51:30.900 --> 00:51:32.940 Judi Miller: Actually it's actually fairly quick, though.
00:51:33.030 --> 00:51:33.510 Georgeann Dau: I took a.
00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:39.630 Courtney Marchesani: little bit Labor intensive you know you have to think about it and you're not exactly sure how to answer, so I am.
00:51:39.630 --> 00:51:41.130 Courtney Marchesani: refining the test.
00:51:42.330 --> 00:51:45.900 Courtney Marchesani: But if you're curious about your gift, I always encourage people to take the test.
00:51:45.990 --> 00:51:55.980 Courtney Marchesani: And then I send them an email, and I invite people to contact me if they have any questions I always like to field any questions people might have because I want to be available to the sensitive community.
00:51:56.790 --> 00:51:59.370 Georgeann Dau: Great do you have a courses it'll to.
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:01.800 Georgeann Dau: segue psychotherapist.
00:52:03.060 --> 00:52:04.770 Georgeann Dau: Yes, that website and.
00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:06.150 Georgeann Dau: Is it listed as.
00:52:06.180 --> 00:52:24.900 Courtney Marchesani: Well there's there's a couple websites, where I have classes on there and then I also consults with therapists I do consulting where I I talk about actual cases and it depends on what part of that you're looking for, but I can definitely send resources for where I teach my classes.
00:52:25.350 --> 00:52:36.300 Georgeann Dau: Good so that's where I would email you at that is the name of this website again for those of you that might not have heard it it's called inspired potentials.
00:52:36.870 --> 00:52:37.440 Courtney Marchesani: that's right.
00:52:37.740 --> 00:52:38.100 Courtney Marchesani: And so.
00:52:38.640 --> 00:52:47.490 Courtney Marchesani: Does that.com and I can be found at inspired potentials at gmail COM it's just so much easier to do inspire potentials because people can't spell or same thing.
00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:48.990 Georgeann Dau: So, yes.
00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:55.770 Courtney Marchesani: If you if you type inspired potentials into Google, you will find me and you can't miss me with the hair right it's like.
00:52:57.030 --> 00:53:01.440 Georgeann Dau: I love her here inspired potential.com.
00:53:01.710 --> 00:53:06.060 Judi Miller: And it really is it really is a short quiz to take it's not bad at all.
00:53:06.270 --> 00:53:07.320 Courtney Marchesani: I know I.
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:07.860 Georgeann Dau: loved it.
00:53:07.950 --> 00:53:10.740 Georgeann Dau: I love it so today Courtney.
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:17.910 Judi Miller: You have a quote in the back, it says, to whom much is given much is required yeah sounds like a lot of responsibility.
00:53:18.330 --> 00:53:23.580 Courtney Marchesani: It is, it is, it is i'm laying a little bit of responsibility at the feet of the sensitive people.
00:53:26.130 --> 00:53:36.960 Courtney Marchesani: Good that read and listen to this because I do think after we heal ourselves right we find our psychological wholeness and we figure out what maybe caused our trauma or what.
00:53:37.290 --> 00:53:44.070 Courtney Marchesani: What brought our sensitivity about even if it's a family lineage thing that got passed down right it's our responsibility.
00:53:45.030 --> 00:53:54.690 Courtney Marchesani: to heal ourselves and then to help in any way possible, and so I do think sensitivity is a gift I absolutely believe in what i'm saying, and I think that that gift brings.
00:53:55.110 --> 00:54:07.500 Courtney Marchesani: A lot of positive things like solutions, how to solve problems, how to help our societies, how to be better service people and in our communities, and so I do kind of lay the gauntlet down in a sense.
00:54:07.830 --> 00:54:15.120 Courtney Marchesani: Asking sensitive people to join together let's let's help our societies and help one another because I do think sensitivity is a powerful gift.
00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:26.400 Judi Miller: And I loved what you did in the book also so for the four different types of sensitive you actually mean some actually rather Famous people who fall into those categories, so we know that we're not alone.
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:40.710 Courtney Marchesani: Well, I watched them right, so I I saw Daniel day Lewis over the years kind of have this experience when he was performing Hamlet where he had a hat magog again that john stage, he saw his father right, I mean it was a.
00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:49.770 Courtney Marchesani: It was an amazing thing to see this happen, and then to kind of see him back away from it over the years it's it's interesting how society has a way of labeling us.
00:54:50.220 --> 00:55:01.770 Courtney Marchesani: And so I do think this is a powerful movement that we need to be ourselves 100% and by letting people know, yes, there are Famous people success.
00:55:02.940 --> 00:55:16.380 Courtney Marchesani: who have lived experience and use their beauty in a positive way offers role model see Okay, I can spin that lets you and do things because we can.
00:55:17.910 --> 00:55:19.860 Georgeann Dau: And I know bill yeah good.
00:55:20.070 --> 00:55:23.760 Judi Miller: I was gonna say I know that George and wanted to end in a very special prayers.
00:55:23.940 --> 00:55:35.580 Georgeann Dau: Yes, this evening, yes, we look forward to seeing you next week, all of you that join us and i'd like to end in prayer so thank you for joining us tonight, and let us pray.
00:55:36.930 --> 00:55:50.640 Georgeann Dau: loving God you fill all things with the fullness and hope that we can never comprehend, thank you for leading us into a time where more of reality is being unveiled for us all to see.
00:55:51.180 --> 00:56:06.150 Georgeann Dau: We pray that you take away our natural temptation for cynicism denial, fear and despair, help us have the courage to awaken to greater truth great humility and greater care for one another.
00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:18.510 Georgeann Dau: May we place our hope and what matters and what lasts trusting in your eternal peace and love listen to our hearts longings for the healing of our suffering world.
00:56:19.050 --> 00:56:30.420 Georgeann Dau: And tonight we say a special prayer prayer for Jerry Hawk who has decided to journey back to you, Lord we pray that she have a safe.
00:56:30.750 --> 00:56:48.600 Georgeann Dau: and peaceful journey home and we pray that you soften and heal the hearts of all those who love her and will miss her, and we always pray dear good God in all of the names that represent you in our world.
00:56:49.620 --> 00:56:50.160 Georgeann Dau: amen.
00:56:50.730 --> 00:56:51.720 Courtney Marchesani: amen amen.
00:56:54.870 --> 00:56:55.350 Thank you.
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:15.270 Georgeann Dau: Thank you so much for all that you brought your so your your percentage of work, your passion all of who you are you're a great gift to all of us, so thank you, you live it well, and I can tell in my heart that you walk in you.