Rediscovering New York

Tuesday, May 18, 2021
Facebook Live Video from 2021/05/18 - Hudson Square

Facebook Live Video from 2021/05/18 - Hudson Square


2021/05/18 - Hudson Square

[NEW EPISODE] Hudson Square

On this week’s show we will journey to Hudson Square, sometimes referred to as “The New Hudson Square”, which is directly west of SoHo and a neighborhood that even some die-hard New Yorkers are not very familiar with.

My guests will be will be returning Rediscovering New York expert Joyce Gold, Founder of Joyce Gold History Tours; and Richard “Rip” Hayman, co-owner of the famous Ear Inn on Spring Street.

Tune in for this fascinating conversation at or watch the Facebook Livestream by clicking here.

Show Notes

Segment 1

Tonight’s show will revolve around Hudson Square which is a place many New Yorkers are not entirely familiar with. Today’s guests are Joyce Gold who is the founder of Joyce Gold History Tours. She got her start working on Wall Street and eventually stumbled upon a directory that discussed all of the places she passed everyday. She then started giving tours on the weekend which led to a full time business. She does more private tours than public. One day she was asked to give tours on Hudson Square in order to get people more familiar with it. It is sometimes referred to as the New Hudson Square because of all of the construction that is occurring. Richmond Hill was a hill that was a resident of Hudson Square that is now flattened. Some renowned historic figures like George Washington were also former residents. He used to live at 1 Cherry Street. Washington’s home was on top of the hill which was right next to the Charlton-King-Vandam Historic District.

Segment 2

Joyce is now back to giving tours due to the near end of the pandemic. She says that she will have 11 tours being offered by the end of the month. Hudson Square first became a major contributor to printing in the 1920’s. Later, the Holland Tunnel was built which was a big help getting cars into New York. Before this tunnel, there were only a couple alternative routes. There was a big effect that it had on the neighborhood. There was a huge amount of construction going on. In addition, while building the tunnel it was stressed not to overcomplicate the roadways. While it was being built in the 1920’s, air regulations had to be followed so that excessive pollution did not take place. Furthermore, Donald Trump has a hotel that is running in Hudson Square. The name was changed to The Dominick once he decided to run for president because many people did not like him. There are also some great entertainment places in the area. One of them is titled SOB or Sound of Brazil that is still open today. This place features music and dancing styles of Brazil and Africa.

Segment 3

To begin this segment, the second guest is introduced. His name is Captain Richard “Rip” Hayman who is the co-owner of The Ear Inn on Spring Street. He is also a United States Coast Guard mariner and former president of the Hudson Valley Line.He is originally from New Mexico and came to New York as a student. He realized his love for the sea while at a beach in New York. The Ear Inn and the James Brown Building was built right next to the docks of the Hudson River. Also, since it was part of a major shopping district, the sidewalks are very spacious. James Brown was a tobacco merchant. The Ear Inn’s name has a history that goes back all the way to prohibition. At first, it was called The Bar Inn but had to be changed. There were rules in place against the adding to the name but none in place that prohibited subtraction. They eventually settled on The Ear Inn, simply altering the letter B.

Segment 4

Captain Richard Hayman today owns a bar that he says he brought when he was young and stupid. At first, he was renting out one of the rooms. Later one of his female friends bought the bar from the former owner which transitioned it from a place where mostly men went to one that was more welcoming to everyone. During the pandemic, Richard was not able to serve his community the way he was accustomed to. Now that it is near an end, he is able to serve people seated outside at a bigger capacity. The parks that are in the area are a good contributor to his business.


00:00:14.820 --> 00:00:23.880 Jeff Goodman: Hello everyone, welcome to our listeners in the big apple from across the US and around the world i'm Jeff Goodman, and this is rediscovering New York.

00:00:24.510 --> 00:00:30.120 Jeff Goodman: professionally i'm a real estate broker with brown Harris Stevens, but our show is not about real estate.

00:00:30.810 --> 00:00:38.670 Jeff Goodman: rediscovering New York as a weekly program celebrating New York, its history texture vibe and this other things about this amazing city.

00:00:39.360 --> 00:00:48.090 Jeff Goodman: And we do it through interviews with historians local business owners nonprofit organizations preservationist musicians and artists and the occasional mariner.

00:00:48.870 --> 00:00:58.500 Jeff Goodman: On some shows like tonight's we bring in individual New York neighborhood to life we explore its history and its current energy what makes that particular New York neighborhood special.

00:00:59.610 --> 00:01:04.650 Jeff Goodman: On some shows we celebrate an interesting and vital color of the city that's not focused on one particular neighborhood.

00:01:05.310 --> 00:01:18.630 Jeff Goodman: i'm prior episodes we've covered topics is diverse and illuminating as American presidents who came from lived in where who had some interesting history here in the city we've looked at the history of women activists and the women's suffrage movement, a lot of it was focused in brooklyn.

00:01:19.650 --> 00:01:24.570 Jeff Goodman: we've looked at the history of different immigrant communities, including people who were brought here in slave.

00:01:25.050 --> 00:01:29.100 Jeff Goodman: And we've also looked at the history of the city's LGBT community and the gay rights movement.

00:01:29.820 --> 00:01:36.660 Jeff Goodman: we've explored bicycles and cycling, believe it or not, they've been here for 200 years we've looked at the history of punk and opera.

00:01:37.110 --> 00:01:45.930 Jeff Goodman: We visited the subway public art or greatest train stations landmarks and even some of our virgins yes everyone New York has amazing bridges among everything else.

00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:56.610 Jeff Goodman: After the broadcast each show is available on podcast you can hear us on apple spotify Amazon podcasts stitcher Google podcasts and other services.

00:01:57.720 --> 00:02:09.570 Jeff Goodman: Tonight we're journeying to a neighborhood which has evolved a lot lately and which a lot of new Yorkers really don't know very well and which some new Yorkers may get confused just by hearing its name.

00:02:10.170 --> 00:02:20.190 Jeff Goodman: i'm talking about Hudson square or the new Hudson square which actually is the neighborhood directly west of soho between six to avenue we're having to the Americas and the Hudson river.

00:02:21.090 --> 00:02:30.690 Jeff Goodman: We have two great guests tonight, our first guest is no stranger to rediscover in New York she's Joyce gold choice is a choice called history tours, I might add.

00:02:31.380 --> 00:02:39.180 Jeff Goodman: choice is a recognized expert in educator in New York, history and for 40 years she's been guiding new Yorkers and visitors a like to rave reviews.

00:02:39.540 --> 00:02:47.670 Jeff Goodman: Through her private walking tours as well as towards open to the public choice is published she's published two books, one is from windows, to the World Trade Center.

00:02:48.090 --> 00:02:56.040 Jeff Goodman: or walking guide through the history of lower Manhattan and she's also authored from trash stream to Bohemia a walking guide through the history of Greenwich village.

00:02:56.550 --> 00:03:06.360 Jeff Goodman: Choices contributed entries to the encyclopedia of New York City and if all this wasn't enough, the New York Times called Joyce, and this is a quote the doing an of New York City tour guides.

00:03:06.720 --> 00:03:15.930 Jeff Goodman: it's a level of accomplishment and recognition I think any tour guide would relish and joyous, we welcome you back to rediscovering New York a hearty welcome back.

00:03:16.380 --> 00:03:17.760 Joyce Gold: Thank you Jeff good to be here.

00:03:18.990 --> 00:03:25.350 Jeff Goodman: um it's been a couple months since you've been on the show, and I know we have a varied listenership especially outside the city and even overseas.

00:03:25.770 --> 00:03:37.590 Jeff Goodman: i'm just as an introduction, how did you get involved in the work that you do bringing new york's history to life for people who were lucky enough to experience the way that you that you present and lived in new york's history.

00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:45.090 Joyce Gold: Well, speaking of experience that's how it all began, I was working on Wall Street in the mid 1970s.

00:03:45.540 --> 00:03:54.540 Joyce Gold: And browsing through an old bookstore mendoza's bookstore on ancestry I came upon 100 year old guidebook to New York of the past.

00:03:54.900 --> 00:04:00.750 Joyce Gold: It talked about streets that I passed every day going to my office at the Federal Reserve Bank.

00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:18.330 Joyce Gold: And it just changed my experience and I noticed that other people I worked with other people I knew in town didn't know any of the things I was reading about so I wanted to share my experience with them and I started offering walking tours on weekends.

00:04:18.990 --> 00:04:20.670 Jeff Goodman: And now it's a full time business.

00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:22.950 Joyce Gold: Very much so very, very.

00:04:23.880 --> 00:04:39.900 Jeff Goodman: And you know i'm partial to your tours with you, and a lot of our listeners now Hudson square the big Hudson people speak about now when they talk about neighborhoods is Hudson yards Hudson squares different what's the difference between Hudson Square and Hudson yards.

00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:47.730 Joyce Gold: Well Hudson yards was basically Michael Bloomberg attempt to expand the midtown shopping district and corporate district.

00:04:48.030 --> 00:04:58.080 Joyce Gold: All the way to the Hudson river it's filled with high rise corporate headquarters and living living places but Hudson square is much earlier.

00:04:58.620 --> 00:05:11.310 Joyce Gold: In its history and its has a very different scale it's kind of very human scale which is unusual for New York and some of the buildings, there are 200 years old very different.

00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:18.420 Jeff Goodman: Including the building where our second guest has his business will be speaking with him in the second half of the Program.

00:05:18.840 --> 00:05:26.640 Jeff Goodman: Just before we get into the history of Hudson Square, I want to ask you, you have sometimes sparingly add new tours to your roster.

00:05:27.030 --> 00:05:37.380 Jeff Goodman: And the list is already enormous i've lost count of the number of tours that you made was there anything specific that inspired you to to create a tour for Hudson Square.

00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:49.140 Joyce Gold: Well, I do more private tours then mice come to weekend public tours and a private tour was asked of me by the new business improvement district of Hudson Square.

00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:58.170 Joyce Gold: They wanted me to arrange three tours repeatedly over two days to introduce people to a very new part of town.

00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:06.870 Joyce Gold: which has been going residential lately, for the first time in the century and they wanted the public to know about it so that's how I started on it.

00:06:07.260 --> 00:06:17.700 Joyce Gold: And some of what I found i've been talking about for 40 years in the classes, I teach at the new school, university and New York university.

00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:30.810 Joyce Gold: Things like Richmond hill which i'll be talking about today, and so it was fun for me to kind of piece together the neighborhood that some of these very important places that I long knew about.

00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:41.370 Joyce Gold: have existed, along with a lot of new changes so i'm always interested in the change in the city and a lot of changes happening in Hudson Square.

00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:48.510 Jeff Goodman: Hudson square it's it's frequently called now the new Hudson square because a lot, a lot of the new construction that's going on.

00:06:48.810 --> 00:06:59.280 Jeff Goodman: But actually Hudson square part of the neighborhood was there was a Hudson square you know, was to more than 200 years old, this was let's go back a couple hundred years when when.

00:06:59.670 --> 00:07:07.440 Jeff Goodman: We started building here, it was a pretty ritzy part of town right around the time of the American revolution, right after it was wasn't it.

00:07:08.250 --> 00:07:18.780 Joyce Gold: It was a people have means always in the 19th century, and even a little before that tried to move north of where all the clattering and commerce Watts.

00:07:19.080 --> 00:07:36.870 Joyce Gold: And so well to do people business people and others started moving into that part of town, but of course the most notable part and perhaps what you're referring to was the hill that is long gone, it was called Richmond Hill and it was flattened at the beginning of the 19th century.

00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:43.920 Jeff Goodman: not to be confused with the county of Richmond and Staten island or Richmond hill that's in Queens.

00:07:44.490 --> 00:07:53.820 Joyce Gold: Yes, I think all of them ultimately were named for one of the many illegitimate children Charles the second of England, if you want a little depth into the name.

00:07:54.840 --> 00:08:11.670 Jeff Goodman: Well, New York was named by James the second for his brother, the Duke of York when they see it from the Dutch and 1664 so maybe if you're going to name a city after your brother, why not name some neighborhoods have to some of his children born out of wedlock.

00:08:13.830 --> 00:08:18.060 Jeff Goodman: Some of the country's leaders took up residence here early on in the Republic didn't they.

00:08:18.900 --> 00:08:23.910 Joyce Gold: Yes, that's right, it was quite a beautiful hill was Richmond Hill and.

00:08:24.900 --> 00:08:40.680 Joyce Gold: During the year and a half that New York City Manhattan was the federal capital of the United States i'm in George Washington, as you know, was inaugurated on Wall Street in 1789 there was an official residence for the President.

00:08:41.730 --> 00:08:51.390 Joyce Gold: somebody's house that they used for him, but the Vice President john Adams and abigail Adams got a house at the top of Richmond hill.

00:08:51.750 --> 00:09:01.800 Joyce Gold: And abigail describes it is looking to one side and seeing the cow paths of Greenwich village and looking to the other side and seeing trinity church on Wall Street wow.

00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:13.950 Jeff Goodman: Actually, George washington's house, I was reading it's not the House is not there anymore it's a it would have been right under with the with the overpass to the brooklyn bridge is now, I think it was on Pearl street that's where washington's residents was for the first year or so.

00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:15.150 Jeff Goodman: yeah one show.

00:09:15.390 --> 00:09:16.260 Joyce Gold: Cherry street.

00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.810 Joyce Gold: or cherry street okay it's part of my South street seaport.

00:09:20.400 --> 00:09:21.720 Jeff Goodman: which actually I have been on.

00:09:22.620 --> 00:09:29.280 Jeff Goodman: A while though i'm huts the squares architecturally diverse we'll talk about the the commercial buildings in a bit, but.

00:09:29.640 --> 00:09:42.480 Jeff Goodman: But part of the district that that has houses that were built in the early part of the 19th century are really beautiful when would we begin to see and there, of course, on the grid right now, when would we begin to see the development of the grid in Hudson Square.

00:09:44.010 --> 00:09:59.880 Joyce Gold: The grid on paper comes about in 1811 but the streets start First it was on paper numbering the streets from one to 155 and since the city was pretty much built up to house in St first street is about house that.

00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:09.480 Joyce Gold: The Square and square is below cost so really the only part of the grid that it includes its sixth avenue.

00:10:09.930 --> 00:10:14.130 Joyce Gold: Now originally sixth avenue did not go South on bleecker street.

00:10:14.520 --> 00:10:25.500 Joyce Gold: And it wasn't until time of World War one its sixth avenue and it's great representation actually went into Hudson Square, so it was sort of protected.

00:10:25.800 --> 00:10:34.440 Joyce Gold: which I think is one of the things that makes it interesting because it's not the geometry of those numbers streets and avenues, except for six avenue.

00:10:34.800 --> 00:10:49.440 Jeff Goodman: hmm some of the city's best Greek revival and federal houses are actually in a little historic district that's at the edge of Hudson square it's called the charlton King van damme historic district, and it was only the city's fourth historic district.

00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:58.920 Joyce Gold: mm hmm well charlton King bend down is what became of Richmond Hill, because when Adams Vice President took over.

00:10:59.490 --> 00:11:17.940 Joyce Gold: The Hill and the House Aaron burr after the capital moved out of New York he lost it to the banks, because he was in debt after killing Alexander Hamilton and aster bought it john Jacob pastor first billionaire in America purchased it from the debtors.

00:11:19.260 --> 00:11:26.640 Joyce Gold: And that's who leveled the hill so that was just about the 1820s.

00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.350 Jeff Goodman: Where was the the Richmond hill originally was the House.

00:11:32.490 --> 00:11:34.980 Joyce Gold: It was at the top of the charlton kingdom damn.

00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:36.150 Jeff Goodman: house okay okay.

00:11:37.350 --> 00:11:48.660 Jeff Goodman: we're gonna take a break in a couple of minutes, but I want to finish off the segment by by laying the groundwork choice about how the neighborhood has changed over several centuries.

00:11:48.990 --> 00:11:52.380 Jeff Goodman: and interesting, something I didn't realize because we you know you take a look.

00:11:52.800 --> 00:12:01.470 Jeff Goodman: At the the land that trinity church owns up through the Hudson square which we'll talk about in certainly down and in the financial district along.

00:12:01.890 --> 00:12:09.930 Jeff Goodman: Along trinity place and you think that there they were always commercial landlords but they weren't they were residential landlords early on warranty.

00:12:10.860 --> 00:12:20.940 Joyce Gold: Yes, they were and it all began with trinity which before the American revolution was the official Anglican Church of New York everybody's taxes help support it in not in.

00:12:21.540 --> 00:12:31.950 Joyce Gold: 1705 queen Anne of England, it gives it 215 acres of the western part of Manhattan that went basically from Rector street to Christopher street.

00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:42.600 Joyce Gold: So they were residential but they got the reputation of being slum landlords partly because they sublet some of their property, the astor who.

00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:57.210 Joyce Gold: rented it out and made a lot of money on it so, then they got out of the residential business because that was not a reputation the church wanted, but lately they've been getting back into mixed use, including residential.

00:12:57.810 --> 00:13:03.120 Jeff Goodman: Why was it was really interesting to learn today that was I was reading up on this that.

00:13:03.540 --> 00:13:10.980 Jeff Goodman: There were a lot of slums in Hudson Square and the city's Department of Health in the 1890s actually sued trinity church.

00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:18.060 Jeff Goodman: To get rid of the deplorable conditions, this must have been right after how the other half lives was published, I think it seems around the same time.

00:13:18.390 --> 00:13:25.410 Jeff Goodman: And then they made the decision that they would no longer be residential landlords but they would go into the business of developing commercial buildings.

00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:35.430 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with Joyce golden voice cold history tours focusing on what's the square and lower Manhattan we'll be back in a moment.

00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:35.940 Jeff Goodman: To rediscovering New York and our episode on Hudson Square, this is episode.

00:16:35.940 --> 00:16:37.710 Jeff Goodman: 115 i've been doing this for almost two.

00:16:37.710 --> 00:16:42.060 Jeff Goodman: and a half years I can't believe I have more than 100 episodes that are all archived.

00:16:42.420 --> 00:16:57.120 Jeff Goodman: And you can hear us on our podcast services, my first guest is Joyce cold of choice cold history tours a Joyce you're back to giving tours now is we're sort of coming out of the pandemic there any particular tours that are available now that are open to the public.

00:16:57.180 --> 00:17:03.390 Joyce Gold: And the coming we yes i'm starting 11 different weekend tours at the end of this month.

00:17:03.990 --> 00:17:29.400 Joyce Gold: May 30 is first one fifth avenue Gold Coast, but i'd be glad to send your listeners a schedule, it can just appear they don't have to reserve i'll always be at the starting point, wherever that starting point is, and they can contact me at choice at choice gold history tours with an

00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.850 Jeff Goodman: And i'm imagining that's your web address to Joyce cold history tours.

00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.380 Joyce Gold: COM exactly that's true.

00:17:36.210 --> 00:17:51.780 Jeff Goodman: Well, one of the to the neighborhood that you probably give the most tours on is the village, the northeastern part of Hudson square or buts, the village it's right next to it, the village became really Bohemian in the early 20th century did the same thing happened to part of Hudson Square.

00:17:52.320 --> 00:18:04.350 Joyce Gold: I don't think so there's been a lot of different clubs and kind of advanced kind of music different kinds of music dance clubs, but I don't get the feeling that it was very Bohemian.

00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:12.750 Joyce Gold: tammany hall had an outpost they're the boss or in part of the Democratic Party, but that's as far as I think I can tell.

00:18:14.610 --> 00:18:20.850 Jeff Goodman: One of the things that the neighborhood is has really been known for at least i'm 60 years old, and you know when I was growing up into my.

00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:33.990 Jeff Goodman: adulthood, is it was known as the Center of the printing industry, you see, all of these buildings along varick street and along Hudson street when did Hudson square becomes such a Center of the printing industry.

00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:41.460 Joyce Gold: Well, I think the 1930s, through the 1960s, although there is at least one major building there that still has a lot of printing company.

00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:58.290 Joyce Gold: Some companies so that the buildings went up in a very solid way they could accommodate heavy printing presses, and I have a feeling, it has to do with the opening of the Holland tunnel in 1927 so very shortly after that's when they moved it.

00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:12.450 Jeff Goodman: Well let's talk about the Holland tunnel, of course, it's in Hudson square you it's you can't not see it when you're coming down on varick street or making that right turn on canal going up Hudson what was in is unique about the Holland tunnel.

00:19:13.530 --> 00:19:24.870 Joyce Gold: Well it's a national monument, it is the longer it was first undergrad underwater tunnel to handle vehicles, because vehicles, you know exude carbon monoxide.

00:19:25.230 --> 00:19:35.760 Joyce Gold: and part of the challenge and there were many challenges getting this one sign of how challenging is that of the three designers the first two died in the process, basically of exhaustion.

00:19:36.390 --> 00:19:45.360 Joyce Gold: And it is today the longest underwater vehicle tunnel in the world, a lot of inventions, especially having to do with.

00:19:46.830 --> 00:19:50.160 Joyce Gold: With air quality came about because of it.

00:19:51.090 --> 00:20:02.130 Jeff Goodman: And I I heard that, when it was opened it had been called by some people is the eighth wonder of the world which actually I suppose the empire state building took away from it when it went up in 1932 31.

00:20:02.670 --> 00:20:07.560 Jeff Goodman: um but you know, one of the things that was also interesting you know we don't we we take this for granted.

00:20:07.950 --> 00:20:20.460 Jeff Goodman: Is before the Holland tunnel, the only way that you could get a truck or a car into New York was via ferry you just couldn't drive over a bridge through a tunnel, there was no there was nothing for vehicular traffic until the Holland tunnel open.

00:20:22.050 --> 00:20:24.360 Jeff Goodman: How did it get its name people wonder.

00:20:24.930 --> 00:20:29.040 Jeff Goodman: I wonder, sometimes I know the answer now, but I, you know I I used to wonder it once upon a time.

00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:38.310 Joyce Gold: It has nothing to do with the country, it has to do with the first engineer, whose name was clifford Holland and he worked on it for a few years.

00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:51.030 Joyce Gold: I think it was in 1919 that he was called up to do it, but I understand that he died basically exhaustion in battle creek sanitarium in Michigan.

00:20:51.960 --> 00:21:03.660 Joyce Gold: Just before the two ends of the tunnel met in the middle under the river and then so they decided it was going to be called that but then they decided to name it for him.

00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:14.010 Joyce Gold: The man who took over the engineer, who took over was a guy named Friedman, and now there are two parks on either side of the tunnel entrance name for him.

00:21:14.340 --> 00:21:23.520 Joyce Gold: He also died within half a year of hollins death basically of exhaustion so these people didn't die of accidents, but just have the pressure.

00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:35.700 Joyce Gold: I mean pressure works in a lot of different ways, with a ton of water pressure, but this was emotional pressure, and it was the third engineer guy named olson stead who completed it.

00:21:36.780 --> 00:21:39.180 Jeff Goodman: What affected the tunnel have on the neighborhood when it opened.

00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:53.040 Joyce Gold: Well, it had a very big effect because a lot of property had to be removed, and I was, I have a book from 1927 that I was looking at today called interestingly enough, the eighth wonder of the world.

00:21:53.520 --> 00:22:01.950 Joyce Gold: But the eighth wonder, it was called very of the moment and it talked about some of the decisions, for example, to not over.

00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:20.880 Joyce Gold: complicate traffic patterns, they made the entrance and the exit of the tunnel several blocks blocks apart so both of those areas had to be removed from all the buildings that were on them, so there was a huge amount of construction going on.

00:22:21.270 --> 00:22:23.040 Jeff Goodman: And they probably got them through eminent domain.

00:22:24.570 --> 00:22:30.600 Jeff Goodman: let's take a little detour away from industry and commercialism and go to education.

00:22:32.340 --> 00:22:35.580 Jeff Goodman: let's talk about the Elizabeth irwin high school, who is Elizabeth heroin.

00:22:36.060 --> 00:22:46.680 Joyce Gold: Well, she was a very interesting educational person she taught in the public school system but didn't teach the way the administration wanted her to teach.

00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:57.450 Joyce Gold: She thought children learn better by doing rather than just hearing about hearing about lectures she took them all, she was the first person apparently to take them on TRIPS.

00:22:58.590 --> 00:23:00.960 Joyce Gold: To different industries and around the city.

00:23:02.310 --> 00:23:13.980 Joyce Gold: And she gave them psychological tests to know exactly who the children were and she thought the children would learn to read and write, eventually, but that the projects were what intrigues them.

00:23:15.300 --> 00:23:20.880 Joyce Gold: So she was quite an innovator in educational ways that many people find quite standard.

00:23:22.590 --> 00:23:39.570 Joyce Gold: So when the school fired her, she some of the parents so liked what she did that they arranged to have her have a private school and little red schoolhouse kind of a deceptively old fashioned cozy name they gave it has been around since 1921.

00:23:40.260 --> 00:23:53.880 Jeff Goodman: or one was considered radical in her day she was also openly lesbian and for someone to be openly gay in the 20s and the 30s was you know was you and and in an education that was a really monumental.

00:23:54.300 --> 00:24:03.270 Joyce Gold: I didn't Greenwich village, there were quite a lot of lesbian couples, she was spent 30 years with Catherine at the day feminist biographer, among other things.

00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:07.440 Jeff Goodman: to cheat continuing education after they fired her.

00:24:08.100 --> 00:24:10.860 Joyce Gold: Oh yeah she continued being the head of the private school.

00:24:11.100 --> 00:24:11.940 Jeff Goodman: Okay got it.

00:24:12.030 --> 00:24:27.570 Joyce Gold: called little red schoolhouse and then they also decided to have a high school, which is the one in Hudson square a few blocks from the lower school today and Angela Davis was invited to be a student at the high school little red schoolhouse.

00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:30.600 Jeff Goodman: That was obviously before her more notorious days.

00:24:31.290 --> 00:24:32.730 Joyce Gold: Well, no i'm not sure that.

00:24:34.290 --> 00:24:41.490 Joyce Gold: It was definitely before she was carried from the Jefferson market courthouse California and extradited for a crime.

00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:49.500 Jeff Goodman: Well let's talk about Hudson square nowadays, and the 21st century, what kinds of businesses and organizations have been locating there.

00:24:49.770 --> 00:24:59.190 Joyce Gold: Well, big changes, a lot of tech innovators, a lot of startups architects have been moving in and one huge square block.

00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:12.240 Joyce Gold: is currently being built on and demolished and then built on as the new headquarters in New York for Disney, and this includes ABC studios so they're moving down from where 66 street.

00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:33.870 Joyce Gold: And it's part of the media influence in the neighborhood things dave's and a lot of the trinity's feeling now is that they want a mixed neighborhood so they want people innovative people to live there and they want cafes and things for residents, as well as commercial business.

00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:43.110 Jeff Goodman: Our most recent former President has some development history in Hudson square he built something on on a on an important historical site.

00:25:43.800 --> 00:25:53.250 Joyce Gold: Yes, I love I love the understory and the understory was that in the early part of the 20th century.

00:25:53.520 --> 00:26:03.540 Joyce Gold: spring street Presbyterian was very innovative for its day was in the 1820s at a time when slavery was still legal in the State of New York.

00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:15.810 Joyce Gold: They had an integrated church, there were blacks and whites and they had a graveyard in the basement so there were quite a few grains buried down there.

00:26:16.530 --> 00:26:30.630 Joyce Gold: Are blacks and whites and when trump decided to be this to decided to build the hotel he modestly call trump soho it's not in soho but he'd like the name and he certainly like since day one everything.

00:26:30.990 --> 00:26:33.480 Jeff Goodman: Well, the wouldn't be the first time, he said something that wasn't true but.

00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:42.540 Joyce Gold: They knew that these graves, where there are very historical graves and.

00:26:43.080 --> 00:26:52.770 Joyce Gold: You know sacred too many, but they will move, they were actually moved to Syracuse university and analyzed and now they repos in greenwood cemetery in brooklyn.

00:26:53.520 --> 00:27:08.460 Joyce Gold: But when he started running for President, a lot of people didn't like that didn't like him, and they changed the name his company sold the building and they changed the name to dominate so that's now the name of the hotel.

00:27:09.540 --> 00:27:14.130 Jeff Goodman: There weren't still are some interesting entertainment places in Hudson square which ones.

00:27:15.120 --> 00:27:22.140 Joyce Gold: There was something called the culture club which was a dance club, a lot of dance clubs in the neighborhood there are a lot of entertainment and kind of activity.

00:27:23.070 --> 00:27:36.600 Joyce Gold: places there, and a lot of dance clubs were really where people went to talk and dance a little, but this was strictly about dance there's sob still going strong stands for sounds of Brazil.

00:27:37.020 --> 00:27:54.240 Joyce Gold: And that was Afro Latin music Celia Cruz performed kiko point they performed and a lot of very advanced kind of entertainers but Donna, and others were were in the audience so Those are some of the main ones.

00:27:55.020 --> 00:27:57.630 Jeff Goodman: And we also have a couple of museums in this part of town to.

00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:17.070 Joyce Gold: Yes, one really wonderful one to little visited is the fire Museum in an old firehouse and it's about the history of new york's incredible fire department which has been a city Asian since 1865 but was kind of private one before that.

00:28:18.270 --> 00:28:30.120 Joyce Gold: So that's one of them, and the other one is the Jackie Robinson museum that when he died in the 1970s Jackie Robinson, of course, integrated major league baseball.

00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:39.990 Joyce Gold: Joining the brooklyn dodgers in 1947 soon after he died, his family and others decided that his.

00:28:40.530 --> 00:28:52.830 Joyce Gold: Is it folks is very important, he was also very much an activist for integration and black people's rights, and so this is closed currently for cove it.

00:28:53.280 --> 00:29:01.470 Joyce Gold: But it's going to be opened again something wonderful to visit on right on canal street with lectures and talks and all kinds of interesting things.

00:29:02.730 --> 00:29:09.000 Jeff Goodman: And our engineer just said assembly which just reminded me that we have to mention the film forum which is.

00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:12.390 Jeff Goodman: Which is you know opened again I believe and.

00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:27.660 Joyce Gold: It is yes, it has opened again and it's run by a woman who graduated from Smith college, which I have a connection with indirectly and they have four screens, I believe it started as a kind of an indie film place and it's wonderful.

00:29:29.070 --> 00:29:41.730 Jeff Goodman: voice we're almost at a time, but there is one building, I want to talk about briefly because our next guest has some more recent history there and that's the James brown house it's where the year in is what's so special about the urine.

00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:50.880 Joyce Gold: Well, the area and to me harkens back to early Greenwich village days when there was a real feeling of creativity and interesting.

00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:59.250 Joyce Gold: about the place it's interesting because of why it's called the area and which I think our next guests will be talking about also.

00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:04.950 Joyce Gold: And it's interesting to me because, although now it's three blocks from the Hudson river.

00:30:05.190 --> 00:30:16.350 Joyce Gold: It used to be right next to the Hudson river and everything else, since 1817 has been filled in with landfill, so the idea of the change is very visible and the thing I love about the urine.

00:30:16.590 --> 00:30:33.150 Joyce Gold: Is that outside on the facade they even tell you this is where the Hudson river used to be so they incorporate history into their own presentation and, of course, James brown African American associate of George Washington is also very interesting.

00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:41.100 Jeff Goodman: All right, well Joyce Thank you so much, as always illuminating and fascinating to have you as a guest on rediscovering New York.

00:30:41.370 --> 00:30:48.150 Jeff Goodman: Our first guest has been Joyce gold of joy school's history tours you can find out about her tours at choice called history tours COM.

00:30:48.750 --> 00:31:03.420 Jeff Goodman: Stick around speaking of the year in we're going to have one of the co owners and someone who also has a quite a maritime history that probably took place just blocks, from where his business is, I will be back in a moment.

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00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:11.970 Jeff Goodman: Our second guest is Captain Richard Perry heyman, also known as Captain rip aside from being the Co owner of the year in Captain rip is a US coast guard licensed master mariner.

00:35:12.990 --> 00:35:22.650 Jeff Goodman: He came to New York to attend Columbia University in 1973 and his education includes the US merchant marine academy right here in kings point on long island sound.

00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:32.790 Jeff Goodman: he's a maritime lecturer for, among other organizations cunard regency board and silverstein cruises Captain rip is also Captain for training, if the great Hudson sailing Center.

00:35:33.390 --> 00:35:40.080 Jeff Goodman: he's authored the US coastal harbor guide among us published works he's, the editor of odyssey illustrated maps for the Yangtze river in China.

00:35:40.890 --> 00:35:48.150 Jeff Goodman: he's been the president of the Hudson valley line and project for daily river line service between New York City in Albany from 1997 to 2001.

00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:59.250 Jeff Goodman: And for me one of his most fascinating engagements was as a journalist about the board the Hanseatic it retraced to earn a shackleton's expedition to attend article which took place more than 100 years ago.

00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:12.090 Jeff Goodman: Captain heyman is married to Barbara pilot they have two sons and as the captain likes to say they are now off into the world sort of what you'd expect from America Captain repayment a hearty welcome to rediscovering New York.

00:36:15.060 --> 00:36:18.210 Rip Hayman: Is it safe Is it safe to be online yet.

00:36:18.660 --> 00:36:22.050 Jeff Goodman: I think it is, and I love your mask it looks like puff the magic dragon.

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:28.620 Rip Hayman: Well it's you know it's from Australia, where you know even the crocodiles wear a mask.

00:36:29.160 --> 00:36:29.490 Rip Hayman: i'm.

00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:31.020 Jeff Goodman: Actually pretty.

00:36:31.830 --> 00:36:37.650 Jeff Goodman: i've been down under three times it's a the crocs they were pretty fierce want to get don't want to meet one.

00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:50.520 Rip Hayman: I had a run on land but anyway it's nice to be with you Jeff and under day with Joyce gold and her wealth of knowledge about our little village along the side of the other religions.

00:36:51.930 --> 00:36:53.730 Jeff Goodman: Well, I really appreciate you being on the show.

00:36:54.810 --> 00:36:58.170 Jeff Goodman: Captain rip i'd like to ask all of my guests are you originally from New York.

00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:02.400 Rip Hayman: No, I was born in new Mexico.

00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:09.990 Rip Hayman: In a nomadic military family, so I moved all over the country in the world, but I came to New York.

00:37:11.850 --> 00:37:15.090 Rip Hayman: As a raw students go to college.

00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.970 Rip Hayman: And boy did I get an education.

00:37:18.990 --> 00:37:20.730 Jeff Goodman: And, and here you stayed.

00:37:22.080 --> 00:37:36.750 Jeff Goodman: Before we get to the year in your professional life story the so fascinating I have to ask you about your maritime engagements when did you decide before you became Cohen revere and when did you decide that the sea, would be the place for you, that it would be your calling.

00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:47.220 Rip Hayman: No well since I was born in new Mexico I you know came came to consciousness and I said wow what a great beach where's the surf.

00:37:48.390 --> 00:37:51.750 Rip Hayman: And so I ended up in New York and then i've been a private in a.

00:37:53.220 --> 00:37:59.250 Rip Hayman: Professional sailor ever since just because I, I find the sea to be more.

00:38:01.590 --> 00:38:08.550 Rip Hayman: let's say spacious than the land, especially in this neighborhood, and so I ended up on the end of spring street and.

00:38:09.810 --> 00:38:15.870 Rip Hayman: homesteaded there since I was in college so i'm still working on my my my my education.

00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:20.580 Rip Hayman: wise it goes on the ear university also known.

00:38:20.580 --> 00:38:20.730 As.

00:38:22.170 --> 00:38:33.420 Jeff Goodman: The James brown school of school of business, you know, Catherine, I could ask you questions for a whole hour about about your maritime experience but we can't do it on the show because we're supposed to be focusing on us and square.

00:38:34.020 --> 00:38:45.180 Jeff Goodman: The neighborhood where your businesses but let's indulge my curiosities and probably those of some of our listeners for a couple more minutes um what was the Hudson valley line and how did you get involved with it.

00:38:46.200 --> 00:38:54.690 Jeff Goodman: And it's a little relevant to our discussion because the urine is just blocks away from the Hudson and, in fact, when the building was built it pretty much was was on the river.

00:38:56.340 --> 00:39:06.810 Rip Hayman: Well, yes I ended up living living on the the they all wouldn't beach house, that is the year in James brown house which used to be right on the beach when they filled it in and.

00:39:07.410 --> 00:39:22.860 Rip Hayman: So I wouldn't even to this day, you can look out and see the boats going by on the Hudson though the the Hudson is about half as wide as it was before the invasion of the humans and landfill and Holland tunnel all that development which is.

00:39:23.910 --> 00:39:25.920 Rip Hayman: Modern fantastical I call it.

00:39:27.330 --> 00:39:34.710 Rip Hayman: But the urine James brown House has settled in it was built right next to the docks and so as always busy as a.

00:39:35.520 --> 00:39:42.150 Rip Hayman: landing and goods coming in, they used to be a food market right now in front of it that's why the street is so wide right there between.

00:39:42.750 --> 00:39:52.290 Rip Hayman: granted in Washington street on spring, so we have the widest sidewalk because it was the major food market in the early 1800s and the building itself was built maybe.

00:39:53.010 --> 00:40:02.460 Rip Hayman: By 1800 the date of 1817 is the date when the city of New York and its kindness appropriated.

00:40:03.270 --> 00:40:12.630 Rip Hayman: The neighborhood including Greenwich village to be part of New York City, not that there was any referendum or any public say in it, but then the town kept growing and the year.

00:40:13.560 --> 00:40:24.720 Rip Hayman: Rather, the James brown house, which was one of these like joy said in uptown fancy neighborhood out of the squalor down by downtown back then below Wall Street all.

00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:41.550 Rip Hayman: And then the neighborhood changed and it became a dilapidated residents and then uh but the pub is kept it alive for were originally was a brewery before that it was a pharmacy and before that I was a tobacco shop Now it is a we call it a.

00:40:41.640 --> 00:40:43.050 Rip Hayman: resource utilization Center.

00:40:44.100 --> 00:40:44.340 Rip Hayman: well.

00:40:44.370 --> 00:40:47.520 Jeff Goodman: James Brown was was actually a tobacco merchant among.

00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.840 Rip Hayman: Other things that he did he.

00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:55.350 Rip Hayman: The registry of the city and 1817 when they appropriated the neighborhood.

00:40:56.730 --> 00:41:09.780 Rip Hayman: listed James brown tobacconist that we have, for years, look for the actual documentation of them, but there were many James and many browns and probably maybe have no written record.

00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:22.170 Rip Hayman: And the legend that was kept getting passed down that he was an African American a to George Washington has painted in the crossing the Delaware portrait is pretty so it's a.

00:41:23.220 --> 00:41:33.990 Rip Hayman: fan of fabulous and the senses drastic, but we have no evidence of his early ancestry and that painting was painted in the 1850s with models posing.

00:41:34.770 --> 00:41:35.520 Rip Hayman: In Germany.

00:41:36.060 --> 00:41:38.580 Rip Hayman: And it wasn't actually he was going the wrong way and the painting.

00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:57.660 Rip Hayman: But anyway, James Brown and we've researched this with the schaumburg Center Harlem and other revolutionary war scholars and we've done archaeology and found all kinds of things that are now on display at the New York historical society because, when the.

00:41:59.220 --> 00:42:09.150 Rip Hayman: After sandy and other excavations in the construction of the glass house next door on spring street we dug down and found all kinds of things that were of great interest to the archaeologists because.

00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:21.600 Rip Hayman: The combined city collection of 50,000 artifacts with their documentation from all the museums and the private collections were safely stored in the basement of the World Trade Center and one day at all went.

00:42:22.560 --> 00:42:29.370 Rip Hayman: To dust and so, therefore, we donated our buckets of buckets of stuff from the dig at the year end up to the.

00:42:29.910 --> 00:42:39.960 Rip Hayman: museum that goes back to Dutch times and Chinese were and wild animal bones, and things that we found in the basement of the Year in, so it goes back in the history, like joy said but.

00:42:41.490 --> 00:42:46.800 Rip Hayman: Fortunately, we have it outlived ourselves yet and it's open tonight for lunch and dinner, but once before dinner.

00:42:47.970 --> 00:42:58.920 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a break in a moment, but I want to ask you how did, how did it come up with the name the year in and the neon sign on France is the year in it's kind of a creative name, how did you come by it.

00:42:59.610 --> 00:43:02.160 Rip Hayman: was only created by default, which is.

00:43:03.540 --> 00:43:10.950 Rip Hayman: Okay, because the bar sign Var was put on probably in the 30s or 40s when the pub.

00:43:11.970 --> 00:43:14.490 Rip Hayman: was allowed to be legal again it is stayed serving.

00:43:15.540 --> 00:43:22.380 Rip Hayman: All through prohibition, but the sign dates from pre landmark designation and the landmarks Commission.

00:43:23.310 --> 00:43:31.260 Rip Hayman: Legally cannot say take it off and but they would not allow any new sign or any addition, so we asked them if we could do any subtraction so we.

00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:38.730 Rip Hayman: They had nothing in there lengthy code about that, so we painted out the ends of the of the be and made it he.

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:56.100 Rip Hayman: And at the time, we also had our ir magazine being published upstairs, which was a musicians journal so for us it was Okay, but you know there's a in that train of commercial development we could change the name again to the far bar the bar all kinds of names could be added.

00:43:57.720 --> 00:44:00.900 Rip Hayman: On so we're open to suggestions, just to renew our image.

00:44:01.710 --> 00:44:03.810 Jeff Goodman: Maybe you should have a contest night, and you know.

00:44:04.860 --> 00:44:07.710 Jeff Goodman: Let people chugging come up with creative names.

00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:09.090 Rip Hayman: Oh yeah.

00:44:09.930 --> 00:44:20.760 Jeff Goodman: we're going to take a short break and when we come back we're going to continue our fascinating conversation with Captain repayment one of the co owners of the earring on spring street and Hudson square we'll be back in a moment.

00:46:35.610 --> 00:46:46.140 Jeff Goodman: we're back and you're back to rediscovering New York and our episode on Hudson square my second guest is mariner writer and co owner of the year in and Hudson square Captain rip heyman.

00:46:46.710 --> 00:46:54.270 Jeff Goodman: Captain rip I want to ask you one more seafaring question when I asked you about your work on the Hanseatic retracing shackleton's expedition.

00:46:54.690 --> 00:47:08.250 Jeff Goodman: No he wasn't the first to go to Antarctica ahmanson and Scott proceeded him one survived and what didn't What was it about Shackleton or his expedition that fascinated you and had you want to participate in the recreation.

00:47:10.200 --> 00:47:25.650 Rip Hayman: Or that particular expedition and the age of grand folly let's say going down there without the right resources or knowledge into the unknown he had his 27 crew members and they were shipwrecked in in the.

00:47:26.790 --> 00:47:32.280 Rip Hayman: closed in on the ice and the weddell see in the ship the ship was crushed and they offloaded on land and they.

00:47:32.970 --> 00:47:48.780 Rip Hayman: hold it all to an island and they finally got their boat and they sailed away to South Georgia island so over over a year, they were unknown stranded and considered last until by the discipline that shackled in and camaraderie made with as men, there were no women there.

00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:58.470 Rip Hayman: They were able to as five they didn't lose anyone, so it became more of a lesson and leadership there's no great scientific discovery or any goal that other than the.

00:47:59.490 --> 00:48:10.680 Rip Hayman: human condition that's you can survive incredible circumstances and with the right attitude, you may actually survive and so therefore Shackleton has been.

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:20.580 Rip Hayman: A model for much of the leadership training around earlier so there's a school in England named after him for the encouragement of those kind of qualities that he had.

00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:24.510 Rip Hayman: And it's a testament sorry I went on a.

00:48:24.930 --> 00:48:40.020 Rip Hayman: ship to replace the Voyager we got caught in the same ice in the same place, so we saw the places where they actually survive, and of course we we steamed off, so we were not in danger, but this is a remarkable venture it's not historical.

00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:48.000 Jeff Goodman: it's a testament to shackle and his leadership that they all actually survived and made it back minus a couple of toes on one of them, but they did.

00:48:49.650 --> 00:49:00.480 Jeff Goodman: Captain rip How does this ship Captain who's done so much on the sea and written and lectured How does he end up owning a tavern in lower Manhattan.

00:49:01.020 --> 00:49:12.600 Jeff Goodman: And then, one that wasn't in the Center of street life either it's not like in the middle of stone street or it's like you know it's on the outskirts how did, how did you and your partner Martin share it and come by combining it.

00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:23.010 Rip Hayman: Oh, I would say we were yeah young and foolish, but neither those today well, maybe we were in the neighborhood and we were both.

00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:30.720 Rip Hayman: involved in, he would have he was a music producer had a studio I also had a studio upstairs the urine before the pub.

00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:50.490 Rip Hayman: With you know turn from a long longshoreman's sailors bar into the the kind of musical place it is today, and so we were I knew him from the neighborhood back when almost nobody else was around there and the ear in back then just known as bar.

00:49:51.570 --> 00:50:00.120 Rip Hayman: was only open six in the morning till noon Monday through Friday for the dock workers and the sailors and the other professionals who came in, you know the bookie and the.

00:50:00.720 --> 00:50:07.530 Rip Hayman: The higher boss, and the you know guy hit you over the head for your for your debt and we weren't allowed to.

00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:11.880 Rip Hayman: have an upstairs yeah it was very professional place and so during the pandemic, we were thinking.

00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:23.190 Rip Hayman: wow, what are we going to do, we should bring back the pool table the strong House there used to be an iron room in the back dining room, which held the safe and the money and the guns.

00:50:23.580 --> 00:50:26.940 Rip Hayman: Because there was a lot of trouble, and it was so dangerous in the neighborhood.

00:50:27.660 --> 00:50:44.430 Rip Hayman: My let's say friends from afar, I would always make escort them around at least to six avenue, so they would be safely home after dark and that whole this whole neighborhood was like say, one of the promises the West East versus the the the East East or.

00:50:44.430 --> 00:50:45.060 Rip Hayman: Something here.

00:50:45.270 --> 00:50:55.200 Rip Hayman: And they were you know running chatting you're saying, the only time I have been ducked for fire i've been many war zones and many faraway places, but the first time I ever hit the famous was.

00:50:55.560 --> 00:51:03.660 Rip Hayman: Some gunfight on Washington street back in the battle days now it's just between you know, Google and Disney and I hope they don't have a real war.

00:51:04.680 --> 00:51:07.140 Jeff Goodman: When did you buy the bar, it was in the 70s, was.

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.730 Rip Hayman: We were renting from the bar.

00:51:08.850 --> 00:51:24.240 Rip Hayman: You know hundred dollars upstairs without heater plumbing, but that was Okay, you know I said I fix the roof, if I could live up here that's still the deal, I still have the apartment upstairs with roommates and visitors and then the pub was sort of abandoned and.

00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:34.950 Rip Hayman: We ended my roommate shari dean's who at the age of 79 the fame of the yet to be famous artist sharp meetings.

00:51:35.730 --> 00:51:47.550 Rip Hayman: went down because she was Hungarian she talked to the Hungarian owner and made a deal and bought the bar and then you know, in her elder years from there at she was the Queen of the bar until Martin shared and his family and friends.

00:51:50.130 --> 00:51:53.700 Rip Hayman: took it over and run it the same way, until today, but.

00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.750 Rip Hayman: Without sherry dean's we wouldn't be there because the ability, probably would have been become a parking lot and.

00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:09.300 Rip Hayman: But she brought in a whole new generation of back in those days of this, the building across the street, the port authority building.

00:52:09.660 --> 00:52:27.570 Rip Hayman: was given over to artists studios and also the feminist art institute so in one year this funky old sailors bar went from all grumpy old guys open only in the morning till two a women's artists hang out all night long we had to force them out, you know just keep the.

00:52:28.590 --> 00:52:36.390 Rip Hayman: license because they do, they wanted to stay all night so ever since then, the neighbor has continued to change and have all kinds of new people, and now we have.

00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:51.390 Rip Hayman: All these residences we were way out and sort of beyond Montana for quite a while with will many not many neighbors a few little houses on canal street and green street, but now we have this glass palaces everywhere and more coming.

00:52:52.770 --> 00:53:04.170 Jeff Goodman: Do you, the people who come to the urine now are they kind of transients would you get to know a lot of them and do they come back over and over again once once they hear your stick to the design coming back here again i'm done with it.

00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:07.320 Rip Hayman: Well, this is a sort of.

00:53:07.410 --> 00:53:08.430 Jeff Goodman: Obviously i'm joking.

00:53:08.610 --> 00:53:09.180 Jeff Goodman: i'm i'm really.

00:53:10.410 --> 00:53:20.130 Rip Hayman: We always have to have friends come and go, we find we have many low friends in high places, these days, because we've been protected from the.

00:53:20.610 --> 00:53:27.930 Rip Hayman: Problems of reconstruction and demolition and currently the city, a couple of years ago condemned our sidewalk.

00:53:28.290 --> 00:53:32.460 Rip Hayman: benches bollards and trees as legal trees and they want us to clear the whole sidewalk.

00:53:32.850 --> 00:53:41.010 Rip Hayman: And then the pandemic and now we have our our little cabana house on the street, and we can serve on the streets are suddenly the places back to life but.

00:53:41.370 --> 00:53:46.710 Rip Hayman: Now, in the pandemic time we are getting to see our neighbors there no tourists around and there's.

00:53:47.130 --> 00:54:00.930 Rip Hayman: The business community is somewhere at home online and so we've actually been able to see some of our oldest neighbors come out of their cave and get gather together, along with all the often young families and children right.

00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:17.190 Jeff Goodman: Well, Captain rip we have about a minute left, I want to ask you one more question is there anything that you wish was in your part of Hudson square business or otherwise it's not there now maybe give someone an idea to homestead or pioneer set something up.

00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:31.080 Rip Hayman: Well, one of our requests of the immediate blocks and our media neighbors was when the sanitation department build their billion dollar garage for the care of our kind sanitation.

00:54:32.310 --> 00:54:44.100 Rip Hayman: Workers and trucks that they build a walkway so you all the many people will come walking down spring street in the neighborhood can cross over to Pier 40 and we said, if you just put a bridge over.

00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:52.860 Rip Hayman: Then you can walk from you know how are you configure it we you know, the biggest problem is getting crust the mad West side highway and.

00:54:53.310 --> 00:55:02.970 Rip Hayman: Then you know when I moved in though there was the elevated West side highway and underneath at the end of spring street was a one of the larger permanent homeless centers.

00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:12.600 Rip Hayman: In New York, because under the highway they had 50 gallon barrels of burning would keep warm and they're all camping in their files.

00:55:13.170 --> 00:55:17.430 Rip Hayman: But now it's you can't cross the street before you could cross the street, if you could get through the.

00:55:17.850 --> 00:55:29.910 Rip Hayman: The homeless camp, to the dilapidated peers, now we have this beautiful Park, but you know for a lot of people it's pretty daunting crossing eight lanes of traffic, so I live in La without an overpass that's right.

00:55:31.050 --> 00:55:36.150 Jeff Goodman: Well, we are at a time, Captain rip Thank you so much for being on the show today my.

00:55:37.290 --> 00:55:37.860 Rip Hayman: board.

00:55:38.970 --> 00:55:47.130 Jeff Goodman: My second guest for our show on Hudson square has been Captain repayment co owner of the year in on spring street I recommend it.

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