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Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/29 - The Edge Of Everyday

Facebook Live Video from 2021/03/29 - The Edge Of Everyday


2021/03/29 - The Edge Of Everyday

[NEW EPISODE] The Edge Of Everyday

The Edge Of Everyday Life explores our fear of change and our reluctance to embrace the diversity of life and challenges us to accept the inevitability of change in all corners of our lives. Join us and our guest, Sandra Bargman, a Professional Singer/Actress, who uses theatres across the country as her platform for exploring big questions about life and contemplating these challenging times.

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Show Notes

Segment 1

Dr. Georgeann introduces today’s guest, Sandra Bargman, then goes on to introduce today’s topic, The Edge of Everyday Life. Sandra explains the title and how she came up with it. She talks about how shadows aren’t really talked about in the spiritual community, the focus is often on the “light”. She moves on to discuss her interest in faith and its different aspects, and how her focus is actually on the stage and on nature. This led to her developing a theatre program and shows targeted at people who feel as she did. Dr.Georgeann moves on to talk about Sandra’s background and upbringing.

Segment 2

Dr. Georgeann talks about her imaginary friend from when she was a child and how they helped her find Jesus. Sandra goes on to talk about her own experiences with imaginary friends as a child and how she got into performing. Sandra talks about a ritual that was discussed as an “edge” on her show. Dr. Georgeann transitions into a discussion of the importance of ritual and rituals they have in their lives.

Segment 3

The two go on to talk about how we often seek control, but we rarely have it. Sandra guides the audience through navigating their “edges”, noting how a first step is acknowledgement and thought. She notes that the goal of her show is both ritual and entertainment, but she seeks to offer tools to her audience. At the heart of navigating one's edges is gratitude, and the calming effect that it has, allowing one to get real with their life. The two go on to discuss balancing edges and giving time to each of them.

Segment 4

Sandra helped write a chapter of a book for a friend, a project she finds interesting as the author is writing the whole book, but having a different woman co-write each chapter. Sandra and Dr.Georgeann talk about the feelings they have of our disconnection from mother Earth. Sandra explains her background and education surrounding the environment. She discusses her next show, bringing up a story of Adam and Eve, focusing on Lilith. Dr. Georgeann asks Sandra to share a takeaway from tonight’s show. Sandra advises the audience to step out of their comfort zone and trust in themselves that they have the ability to do so as we come out of the pandemic and face the new normal of life.


00:00:39.150 --> 00:00:50.100 Georgeann Dau: hi good evening welcome back to a journey through into awareness i'm Dr George endo and it's a pleasure that you're joining us again.

00:00:51.300 --> 00:01:07.080 Georgeann Dau: i'm happy that you're here with us tonight, and I really hope that you have found our shows, and the different episodes to be informative touching foundational and nourishing on some level for you.

00:01:08.370 --> 00:01:31.980 Georgeann Dau: So we have a lovely lady tonight with us and she's so gifted can sing and dance and there's so many things about her that I really like and enjoy she's an interfaith minister, so we really connect on many levels and her name is Sandra boardman.

00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:34.770 Georgeann Dau: yeah yeah.

00:01:35.010 --> 00:01:35.610 Sandra Bargman: you're doing.

00:01:36.870 --> 00:01:37.680 Georgeann Dau: Well, thanks for.

00:01:38.070 --> 00:01:38.640 Georgeann Dau: joining us.

00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.340 Sandra Bargman: Thank you for having me it's such a pleasure.

00:01:43.050 --> 00:01:58.140 Georgeann Dau: One of the things that really uh you know touched me right off the BAT besides our connection was you created a show, and you use the theater as a platform.

00:01:59.130 --> 00:02:16.530 Georgeann Dau: to really get the word out about some really challenging issues about life and the world we live in, and just so creative of you and I love the name I actually entitled this episode that name I added a little bit to it, I cheat a little bit.

00:02:17.910 --> 00:02:33.720 Georgeann Dau: The edge of every day I added life because you know as a psychoanalyst and spiritual director, the edge of every day is like every moment we breathe we're always on the edge so as soon as I saw that I was really moved by it.

00:02:34.260 --> 00:02:41.160 Georgeann Dau: And you have such a creative life, can you tell me more about that title and.

00:02:42.150 --> 00:02:56.700 Sandra Bargman: The end of every day, well, it all began, I was talking with my husband who's a scientist and I was we were just joking about this place that we were considering purchasing and I thought you know if we built some sort of place and.

00:02:57.150 --> 00:03:06.120 Sandra Bargman: That would be a salon What would we want to call it, and I said, are the edge, I want to call it the edge and my husband said well that's really cool.

00:03:06.870 --> 00:03:17.490 Sandra Bargman: there's a scientific term the edge effect, which means two very different ecosystems that come together it's where they touch.

00:03:17.820 --> 00:03:31.500 Sandra Bargman: Is where there's like a forest in a field, for instance, and it's where they come together, where there's the most diversity and the most difference of insects and flora and fauna and I just thought.

00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:42.600 Sandra Bargman: Well, of course, that's just like life that is like when two different ideas come together or groups of people are crossroads of divergent ideas or belief systems.

00:03:42.990 --> 00:03:55.320 Sandra Bargman: And this explosion of creativity and and it was right around that time that I was coming up with the idea for the edge of every day show and I thought that's it that's it that's one edge in life.

00:03:55.710 --> 00:04:06.240 Sandra Bargman: And then I started to think about some of the other edges in life when we think of walking to the edge of a cliff and it's when we're taking a step into a new project.

00:04:06.720 --> 00:04:15.870 Sandra Bargman: or we're taking a step in every portion of our life or into an emotional arena that we're afraid of like grief like death.

00:04:17.490 --> 00:04:31.500 Sandra Bargman: there's an edge, where you step off into something new, but what was most poignant to me for the idea for the show was what was going on internally was this notion of.

00:04:32.310 --> 00:04:38.430 Sandra Bargman: I do a lot of work with with shadow work, and you know you and I have briefly mentioned that this idea of.

00:04:39.090 --> 00:04:46.080 Sandra Bargman: You know, in the spiritual Community there can be a lot of focus on on the light and the happiness and be positive and.

00:04:46.650 --> 00:04:53.550 Sandra Bargman: upbeat and you know life isn't like that in the spiritual quest isn't like that, and the the.

00:04:54.270 --> 00:05:08.700 Sandra Bargman: unwillingness or inability or fear to take a look at some of the what we deem darker aspects that aren't necessarily even dark it's just our opinion on them or our belief other people's opinions on this.

00:05:09.210 --> 00:05:17.430 Georgeann Dau: And that's where their forms they there they become our shadow because we look to hide from them, because we were told they were bad and wrong.

00:05:17.760 --> 00:05:19.080 Sandra Bargman: And we shouldn't feel that way.

00:05:19.140 --> 00:05:26.100 Georgeann Dau: They shouldn't feel that way we shouldn't be that way, I actually grew up with a lot of that because I was always yes, I always said so much.

00:05:27.570 --> 00:05:31.410 Georgeann Dau: And I was always told to not do that that's how I became introverted.

00:05:32.400 --> 00:05:33.510 Sandra Bargman: Okay, well, and I think.

00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.780 Sandra Bargman: I think generally generationally there's a lot of.

00:05:36.840 --> 00:05:53.400 Sandra Bargman: You know, being done for women it's a lot of Nice girl and Nice girls don't do that and Nice girls don't think that and so there's a tendency to want to tamp all that down and not be the rebellious one or this or that or whatever makes you brings that out.

00:05:53.910 --> 00:05:54.540 Sandra Bargman: So yeah.

00:05:55.140 --> 00:05:56.070 Sandra Bargman: I hear that.

00:05:56.310 --> 00:05:58.350 Sandra Bargman: Yes, it is in the.

00:05:58.770 --> 00:06:04.800 Georgeann Dau: US and as you're talking about that the agile, so you know what i'm hearing could just be the way i'm hearing it.

00:06:05.970 --> 00:06:12.780 Georgeann Dau: Is when you have it's almost like the big bang, you know you have to um to.

00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:16.350 Georgeann Dau: Unlike.

00:06:17.610 --> 00:06:19.260 Georgeann Dau: pieces converging.

00:06:20.010 --> 00:06:21.510 Georgeann Dau: that's when you get the idea.

00:06:21.570 --> 00:06:22.050 Georgeann Dau: that's.

00:06:22.410 --> 00:06:24.060 Sandra Bargman: Get the battle of it yeah.

00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:36.240 Georgeann Dau: Exactly I love that and, by the way, everyone when she talks about a salon she's talking about like a smoky cabaret salon hair salon skincare so I just.

00:06:36.900 --> 00:06:38.940 Sandra Bargman: People can cut the hair in there, they wanted.

00:06:42.900 --> 00:06:44.490 Sandra Bargman: As long as I get a free haircut.

00:06:45.510 --> 00:06:45.840 Georgeann Dau: Right.

00:06:47.520 --> 00:06:58.890 Georgeann Dau: Right so it's great and you use your platform in theater cabaret and voice to move into.

00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:03.030 Georgeann Dau: All of these different areas of the edge of everyday life.

00:07:03.210 --> 00:07:06.660 Sandra Bargman: Oh, I do now, you know this, this was.

00:07:08.910 --> 00:07:16.380 Sandra Bargman: The idea of, as you mentioned, I am a interfaith Minister i'm I attended seminary I went to two seminaries actually.

00:07:17.700 --> 00:07:31.350 Sandra Bargman: And while I was in seminary I have this idea, you know I love studying all of the world, traditions and religions and I, you know i've just had that's been a part of my life, since I was a little kid.

00:07:31.950 --> 00:07:42.780 Sandra Bargman: I was always into that and going to different churches and experiencing cultures and yes me too and i'm sure and and I, you know.

00:07:43.830 --> 00:07:57.150 Sandra Bargman: As as lovely as it is they weren't they weren't they didn't feel I love the ritual I love the ceremony I love the costuming and the pomp and the music and.

00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:10.890 Sandra Bargman: But for heart opening and expansive experience for me personally that wasn't where I had it I had it out in nature, more earth based traditions and I had it on stage.

00:08:12.570 --> 00:08:18.720 Sandra Bargman: So where was I going to go and I thought, well, you and I started to get this idea for sacred stages.

00:08:19.890 --> 00:08:24.600 Sandra Bargman: And this company and and I love that name sacred stages.

00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:25.560 Sandra Bargman: Because it.

00:08:26.700 --> 00:08:40.350 Sandra Bargman: because it talks about venues stages salons places of doing these things, these whatever these theatrical things were to become, but it also talked about a process.

00:08:41.550 --> 00:09:01.920 Sandra Bargman: What stage were you in that eventually went on to become a counseling technique that I developed but but initially I was like I want to create a theater experience that is sort of my version of preaching for people who are feeling like i'm feeling that want to.

00:09:03.030 --> 00:09:14.130 Sandra Bargman: They may find themselves unchurched they may find themselves not really sure of what they want to do, they may have dabbled in certain things they may be interested in meditation but.

00:09:14.670 --> 00:09:30.780 Sandra Bargman: But I wanted to create something for that was alternative, and so I came up with sacred status and and enjoy every day happened to be my first wasn't the first show I I produced under that umbrella, but it was the first one that was a one woman show of mine.

00:09:31.470 --> 00:09:33.150 Georgeann Dau: it's great and this the.

00:09:34.170 --> 00:09:36.690 Georgeann Dau: The venue that you're creating the Salon.

00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.240 Georgeann Dau: Oh, where is it going to be.

00:09:39.540 --> 00:09:40.680 Sandra Bargman: that's up here and my.

00:09:42.330 --> 00:09:46.350 Sandra Bargman: In New York City I in Harlem, but I also own a home up in the catskills.

00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:57.270 Sandra Bargman: And we have this huge garage that we're turning into this huge vent well it's huge it's a garage but it for garages enormous it's like for.

00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.310 Sandra Bargman: The true way for cabaret.

00:09:59.460 --> 00:10:00.570 Sandra Bargman: rooms combined.

00:10:00.630 --> 00:10:01.530 Georgeann Dau: it's I love it.

00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:06.120 Sandra Bargman: it's really fantastic and it's funky and we've got chandelier years in there and it's.

00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:07.380 Sandra Bargman: Just gonna be fun.

00:10:07.710 --> 00:10:13.380 Georgeann Dau: sounds great sounds really great you know the sacred stages, because they're all sacred stages.

00:10:13.770 --> 00:10:17.100 Georgeann Dau: You know, as we journey in our spiritual life.

00:10:17.520 --> 00:10:18.420 Georgeann Dau: There are.

00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:29.040 Georgeann Dau: different levels of transcendence things that we must transcend before we can move on, you know, to the next and I don't think we ever arrived here on this earth plane.

00:10:30.270 --> 00:10:32.340 Sandra Bargman: And, quite frankly, do we even want to.

00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.150 Sandra Bargman: We want to stay engaged the whole time.

00:10:36.990 --> 00:10:37.530 Yes.

00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:40.710 Georgeann Dau: that's right.

00:10:41.580 --> 00:10:46.290 Sandra Bargman: don't want to sit all quietly at the top of the mountain and why why be part of life.

00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:53.310 Georgeann Dau: it's great so tell me a little bit more.

00:10:53.430 --> 00:10:54.480 Sandra Bargman: If you don't mind.

00:10:55.110 --> 00:11:00.450 Georgeann Dau: about how you got your early start in this she was talking about that you are at.

00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:10.410 Georgeann Dau: A seeker me to go into all the different churches and that this anchored you and you had mentioned that the theater was at a young age, you started and.

00:11:10.410 --> 00:11:11.250 Sandra Bargman: felt totally.

00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:15.510 Georgeann Dau: connection between the stage and.

00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.230 Georgeann Dau: The spiritual did it come to you in prayer or.

00:11:20.520 --> 00:11:21.420 Sandra Bargman: Well, I.

00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:31.050 Sandra Bargman: I i'm gonna go there, when I was little I saw I saw things and I had conversations with entities and.

00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:32.610 Georgeann Dau: let's hear you say.

00:11:32.970 --> 00:11:33.960 Sandra Bargman: yes and yes.

00:11:35.850 --> 00:11:36.480 Sandra Bargman: and

00:11:38.010 --> 00:11:48.810 Sandra Bargman: And I was, as I mentioned to you, I was the the extroverted introvert and I was the one that had the antenna the energetic antenna in the corner of the room.

00:11:50.850 --> 00:11:59.670 Sandra Bargman: You know I felt very comfortable on stage in front of lots and lots of people doing a play and singing or playing the violin or whatever.

00:12:00.420 --> 00:12:07.020 Sandra Bargman: But I was not so I was shy or in real life, and I could read the energy of the room and so both.

00:12:07.710 --> 00:12:16.290 Sandra Bargman: You know I could sing and dance, and I was in place at 10 I you know, I was doing playing the violin all of that right out of the get go.

00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:28.080 Sandra Bargman: And, but I was also that energetic sensing seeking kid that was interested in was attending churches with friends, and you know just being curious.

00:12:28.560 --> 00:12:39.360 Sandra Bargman: And I think you know both of my parents sang and I, you know my mother never said this to me, but I do believe that she lived a little vicariously through my.

00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:53.670 Sandra Bargman: eventual career, I think she would have loved to have been a performer she bang she was kind of a natural that way, so it was very that aspect of who I was was understood and uplifted and supported.

00:12:55.350 --> 00:12:58.710 Sandra Bargman: So, so it was easy for me to move into that.

00:13:00.090 --> 00:13:14.520 Sandra Bargman: When we moved they moved us from upstate New York to Pittsburgh, which was their hometown and they searched for very good school systems for us to be in that supported my sister and I to be we were supported in the arts and and.

00:13:15.540 --> 00:13:21.150 Sandra Bargman: You know just from 10 years on all through high school, I went and really high end we did high end plays.

00:13:21.450 --> 00:13:25.500 Sandra Bargman: I mean we were like making recordings of our little choirs and you know.

00:13:25.530 --> 00:13:27.210 Georgeann Dau: traveling with that because look.

00:13:29.010 --> 00:13:31.290 Georgeann Dau: look at this more when we come right back.

00:13:31.530 --> 00:13:38.400 Georgeann Dau: To a journey through into awareness with Sandra boardman and i'm George and we'll be right back.

00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:50.970 Georgeann Dau: hi welcome back to a journey through without to Georgia and Dell and our guest tonight Sandra board so as we were talking um.

00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:54.240 Georgeann Dau: I when I was little.

00:16:55.260 --> 00:17:13.020 Georgeann Dau: I had an imaginary friend called Mary and it dawned on me, because my mother and sister were very close to my dad worked all the time I was a daddy's girl, and so I developed an imaginary friend called Mary and it dawned on me that it was the Blessed mother.

00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.470 Sandra Bargman: I love that.

00:17:16.590 --> 00:17:24.780 Georgeann Dau: And I used to sit in bed and kiss a little picture of Jesus I did my first very first show talking about this and how I found.

00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:37.440 Georgeann Dau: Jesus found me God always finds us right we're always thinking that we're seeking God seeking us out right so tell me about your experience with this as a little girl.

00:17:38.520 --> 00:17:47.190 Sandra Bargman: Well yeshua Jesus, that was the person that was that entity that I most spoke with and I I spoke with my grandmother.

00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.500 Sandra Bargman: And I saw peripherally a lot of people.

00:17:53.670 --> 00:18:00.210 Sandra Bargman: But those were the only two that I really spoke with, but so yeah yeah she was Jesus I have.

00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:04.320 Sandra Bargman: Very close lifelong relationship.

00:18:05.730 --> 00:18:13.620 Sandra Bargman: And you know, and it was something that that took me through my entire instill to stay took me through my entire life and.

00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:19.680 Sandra Bargman: And those energetic understandings and those.

00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.890 Sandra Bargman: curiosities and.

00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.360 Sandra Bargman: Being questions or something that really, really.

00:18:28.800 --> 00:18:35.760 Sandra Bargman: Almost were bigger than my create my performing life almost more interesting to me than my performing life.

00:18:37.050 --> 00:18:41.040 Sandra Bargman: Because, quite frankly, they were larger and.

00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:49.680 Sandra Bargman: More vast to explore, I mean you know the the one is glorious performing was glorious but you know you can only talk about.

00:18:51.330 --> 00:18:52.290 Sandra Bargman: Pure for you like up.

00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:55.290 Sandra Bargman: To the conversation now.

00:18:57.690 --> 00:19:06.750 Georgeann Dau: I want you to know that it shows in the first time we spoke, you know you can I was able to feel that from you.

00:19:07.980 --> 00:19:10.410 Georgeann Dau: That place in you have.

00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:13.770 Georgeann Dau: eternal love.

00:19:15.810 --> 00:19:18.360 Georgeann Dau: I connected that with you.

00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:24.420 Georgeann Dau: So.

00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:29.100 Sandra Bargman: You actually.

00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:32.370 Sandra Bargman: You know that yeah.

00:19:32.820 --> 00:19:34.200 Georgeann Dau: So um.

00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.120 Georgeann Dau: You spoke a little bit about kava ritual.

00:19:41.310 --> 00:19:42.480 Georgeann Dau: And I love that.

00:19:43.290 --> 00:19:46.230 Sandra Bargman: Oh, my God, so I I love that term.

00:19:46.800 --> 00:19:48.990 Georgeann Dau: Would you mind talking a little bit about that.

00:19:48.990 --> 00:19:55.140 Sandra Bargman: And yeah yeah yeah so um so the edge of every day, this is, this is another edge another blurring of the lines.

00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:56.070 Sandra Bargman: blurring of the edges.

00:19:57.390 --> 00:20:11.040 Sandra Bargman: Was this phrase kava ritual because creating the edge of every day, you know getting the idea about the edges, how do I wanted, how do I want to talk about this, what what really do I want to impart here.

00:20:11.610 --> 00:20:29.190 Sandra Bargman: and share, and so the the the creation of the show became about me exploring my own edges of course it was motivated, from what I was going through internally, it was the edges between the kinds of performing that I was doing.

00:20:30.690 --> 00:20:47.100 Sandra Bargman: Having gone from being somebody who learned a script and had costuming and and character to hide behind to using my own voice and cabaret and speaking from that standpoint, and I structured the show.

00:20:48.540 --> 00:21:01.050 Sandra Bargman: i'll talk about the ritual and in a moment I structured it like a ritual, but I used conceptually I used the blurring of the edges of cabaret of ritual.

00:21:02.280 --> 00:21:15.270 Sandra Bargman: theater performance art, so I came up with you know how do I describe this in again when you when you've got something new, how do I, how do I describe this and make people excited about it, not.

00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:22.170 Sandra Bargman: Interested maybe a little confused, but more excited and I came up with this this term cow ritual.

00:21:23.730 --> 00:21:34.350 Sandra Bargman: This is so great and I googled it to find out if it had already been out there, but i've made it up and know it has a life already over in Australia, but I had never heard it.

00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:38.310 Georgeann Dau: Here in the States until now.

00:21:39.210 --> 00:21:40.080 Sandra Bargman: I brought it here.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:55.800 Georgeann Dau: that's right ritual is very important, and you know that that to me the true meaning of ritual the true importance of ritual, we would, many years ago.

00:21:56.310 --> 00:22:08.430 Georgeann Dau: Like hundred years ago, maybe, and certainly the native American Indians knew it well, they had tribes as families, so there were always ritualized thing life.

00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.520 Sandra Bargman: Always transition everything.

00:22:11.610 --> 00:22:32.670 Georgeann Dau: Everything, and I was thinking about this, as I was reading, you know material on you and with you and um I was thinking about what do we have in our culture, now we have confirmation communion graduations we have bought and bar mitzvah and they alternate to just a party.

00:22:32.730 --> 00:22:38.790 Georgeann Dau: Okay yeah the meaning of what they're about his last.

00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:49.980 Sandra Bargman: be lost yeah well and I also do weddings as a wedding officiant and creating you know I, and I am often the last person on on the couple's mind.

00:22:52.290 --> 00:23:06.270 Sandra Bargman: You know, and I and interested and they're very willing to spend a lot of money on flowers and food and and of course I don't Of course you want this to be beautiful but, but the reason we're here is your ceremony.

00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:10.710 Sandra Bargman: that's right is your ritual your transition from.

00:23:11.730 --> 00:23:20.070 Sandra Bargman: point in your life to step over this threshold this edge, if I may into this new life as a couple.

00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:25.710 Sandra Bargman: And how do you want to experience that step forward.

00:23:27.810 --> 00:23:35.160 Sandra Bargman: So and and and that's every ritual, how do you want to experience this particular transformation, yes.

00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:44.640 Georgeann Dau: And what what is the depth of meaning not only collectively the collective consciousness that meeting as, but what is.

00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:58.950 Georgeann Dau: Your consciousness now say it is what is the meaning that you want to give it is there any exploration in that at all and that's I find so amazing how do we bring more ritual into our lives.

00:23:59.250 --> 00:24:11.790 Sandra Bargman: Well that's that's a great question, I mean you know just simply the work that I do with my couples I people who are attracted to me are going to have more of that we're going to have more of those conversations.

00:24:11.910 --> 00:24:27.450 Sandra Bargman: Yes, and if they're if they're if they're energetically attracted to me and then choose me that's what they'll they want yeah because they're going to get turned on because I go right there right away, but but in other ways, I mean you know.

00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:36.900 Sandra Bargman: For instance, on the the debt, the the anniversary of my mother's death, I do a beautiful ritual where I.

00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:55.020 Sandra Bargman: I put out a picture of her I light a candle I put out a little glass of wine, a little tiny, tiny adorable little glass of wine, we love to do that together, I plant, something I put something if i'm in my place in the city, I do it in a pot.

00:24:56.490 --> 00:25:01.320 Sandra Bargman: On my back patio i'm lucky to have it on Manhattan Thank you very much.

00:25:01.350 --> 00:25:03.300 Sandra Bargman: Yes, you went oh baby.

00:25:03.780 --> 00:25:04.740 Sandra Bargman: And when i'm in.

00:25:05.070 --> 00:25:07.830 Georgeann Dau: My yard, if you ever need Thank you.

00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:28.500 Sandra Bargman: But i've also done it up here, you know in in the woods and you know there's just it and it doesn't have to be elaborate for it to to experience the I mean you know what POPs into my mind is mindfulness eating, you know just sitting down at a meal.

00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:41.010 Sandra Bargman: And, being aware of i'm moving through the space of being of hungry and now i've had this nourishment put in front of me.

00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:42.990 Sandra Bargman: Let me.

00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:50.760 Sandra Bargman: Let me walk through what that might be who brought it here how did this food come before me.

00:25:52.410 --> 00:25:53.730 Sandra Bargman: Who prepared it.

00:25:55.410 --> 00:26:08.940 Sandra Bargman: And just you know, and of course we're not going to do that at every moment but but to your point, there are many, many, many times when we can ritualized very quickly and very easily and gently.

00:26:09.690 --> 00:26:20.010 Sandra Bargman: With with a with a lighting of a candle with us saying a prayer with you know just taking a breath and remembering our connection.

00:26:21.060 --> 00:26:28.770 Georgeann Dau: All of life is prayer all of life is mindful when we write when we can awaken.

00:26:30.090 --> 00:26:31.740 Georgeann Dau: become aware of.

00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:39.900 Georgeann Dau: What is going on, can we pray for the grace to be where our feet or.

00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:55.710 Sandra Bargman: A present to be present to be as David white i'm listening to David white right now poet fabulous poet, and he always go ego works in corporations and goes in and and and talks about how be here, how can you be here.

00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:56.670 Georgeann Dau: be here now.

00:27:00.030 --> 00:27:00.420 and

00:27:01.770 --> 00:27:04.590 Sandra Bargman: Running Rom DAS be everyone says be here now.

00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:10.260 Sandra Bargman: So so Those are just some of the ways that we can ritual live our life.

00:27:10.800 --> 00:27:23.250 Georgeann Dau: And hence you know the name of my show a journey through into awareness, we need to awaken and become aware of what's going on to name it and claim it.

00:27:23.670 --> 00:27:45.990 Georgeann Dau: Those pieces that keep us disconnected from ourselves God and one another, so that we can journey through it and let it it'll you it, it can be used as a stepping stone instead of a stumbling block to raise us into transformative grace.

00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:54.600 Georgeann Dau: And that's when would have how I try to breathe each day and that's why I created this show it was god's idea, and he.

00:27:54.600 --> 00:27:58.050 Sandra Bargman: Will and it's like yeah you're like you're doing a ritual right now.

00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:58.950 Georgeann Dau: We are.

00:27:59.280 --> 00:27:59.970 Sandra Bargman: And yeah.

00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:07.620 Georgeann Dau: liminal space we're gonna be right back to war ritual, together with you.

00:28:08.820 --> 00:28:12.480 Georgeann Dau: Welcome, and come back we'll see in a minute, thank you.

00:31:10.950 --> 00:31:11.310 Georgeann Dau: hi.

00:31:12.810 --> 00:31:21.300 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back to a journey through here tonight with Sandra boardman, and so I think I think I cut you off.

00:31:22.170 --> 00:31:22.740 Sandra Bargman: We did.

00:31:23.310 --> 00:31:33.090 Georgeann Dau: We were talking about rituals, and you know so many of the questions we have here, you and I, you and I, covering just by us having these great conversations.

00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:36.960 Georgeann Dau: Yes, yes that's the best you know.

00:31:36.990 --> 00:31:46.320 Sandra Bargman: Well, totally while we were saying your show is a ritual and just this this willingness to sit in this liminal space between things.

00:31:47.490 --> 00:32:00.120 Sandra Bargman: It is this liminal threshold, the name of your show is a threshold like a liminal threshold, and you know the willingness to be not this and not this and sit in this.

00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:01.800 Sandra Bargman: place of transformation.

00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:05.430 Georgeann Dau: It was PS or dare said.

00:32:07.320 --> 00:32:22.650 Georgeann Dau: pray prayed, how do we, how do we live with the anxiety of the unknown, how do we live with the anxiety of the unknown we all want to.

00:32:24.030 --> 00:32:35.700 Georgeann Dau: know we all want to control and that's a natural human factor, but it doesn't work, you know truly none of us have capital.

00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.140 Sandra Bargman: There is no such thing.

00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:42.300 Georgeann Dau: yeah no such thing and that's what real that's that's what suffering is.

00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:43.320 Sandra Bargman: Is one.

00:32:43.470 --> 00:33:00.900 Georgeann Dau: Is when we want to control and we cannot, and you know that's a pre talking, you know situation as infants in the crib but anyway we're not going there tonight um you know So how do we navigate these edges, how do we navigate them.

00:33:01.350 --> 00:33:09.510 Sandra Bargman: Well, I you know the willingness to first of all to get real about them that they even exist.

00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:10.470 Georgeann Dau: So the truth.

00:33:11.310 --> 00:33:19.830 Sandra Bargman: tell the truth about them to be real and to to your point to understand that.

00:33:21.330 --> 00:33:25.170 Sandra Bargman: Even the fear of change is an edge.

00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:36.450 Sandra Bargman: And that, if I can get real about that, and if I can say that out loud and sit in it and not.

00:33:38.580 --> 00:33:49.950 Sandra Bargman: walk away from it knocking on my Facebook knock it off have a drink not do you know sit with that fear that's you know, certainly one way to do it.

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.490 Sandra Bargman: You know I think for me.

00:33:54.840 --> 00:33:58.530 Georgeann Dau: Excuse me one moment you're not our feelings, but.

00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:07.740 Georgeann Dau: we're not a feeling, so we have a hard time sitting with something and we're having all these feelings can we remind myself i'm not my feelings.

00:34:08.250 --> 00:34:30.420 Georgeann Dau: My feelings it's just a feeling that is inside of me this out here is causing is stimulating this already existing feeling but it's not causing it in order for me to feel it it's already in here the Talmud tells us we don't see things as they are, we see things is we are.

00:34:31.590 --> 00:34:31.980 Georgeann Dau: Sorry.

00:34:33.330 --> 00:34:37.380 Sandra Bargman: So true I love it yeah yeah exactly.

00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:49.080 Sandra Bargman: So yeah I mean you know what What more can we say about that sitting in that being willing to you know and that's no easy feat, as we know.

00:34:50.370 --> 00:34:53.190 Georgeann Dau: we're not saying it is right, we know that is.

00:34:53.820 --> 00:35:01.380 Sandra Bargman: You know and there's there's a million ways of people try, you know I talked about this in my show I literally in my show the edge of every every day.

00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:18.210 Sandra Bargman: I have a meditation where I talk about these things and I talked about you know the the fear of something and the willingness to to speak about it and to get honest about it and to sit with it and we actually do a meditation.

00:35:19.290 --> 00:35:36.750 Sandra Bargman: I mean it's not a long one, because I don't want to structure, a show where it's, it is a show it is a ritual, but it is still entertainment I want people to experience it, but I don't want it to be about that completely but but to offer to your point offer the tools.

00:35:38.850 --> 00:35:53.460 Sandra Bargman: You know, again I think people have many ideas meditation is certainly a glorious way to explore how to sit with your feelings, but I think people again they've got all kinds of ideas about what it's supposed to be.

00:35:54.660 --> 00:36:07.260 Sandra Bargman: As opposed to okay yeah you can learn there's a lot of techniques and a lot of things that you can go to a teacher who can help you, but the bottom line is this at the end of the day.

00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:13.800 Sandra Bargman: All you have to do is sit down and connect to your breath.

00:36:15.870 --> 00:36:29.550 Sandra Bargman: There are wonderful ways wonderful techniques to learn, I am not certainly not discounting them in the list i've taught them i've studied them I do them, but really I mean I would always.

00:36:30.990 --> 00:36:40.260 Sandra Bargman: tell my clients, you know don't don't use well I don't have time to take a class don't use that right the way to not do it.

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:46.860 Sandra Bargman: Because there's no right way right there is not one way, there is no one right way that's right.

00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:56.070 Georgeann Dau: And it's the same thing with prayer exactly I don't know how to pray i'm just sit and talk to the God that you love.

00:36:58.110 --> 00:37:02.040 Sandra Bargman: Right don't hug a tree yeah Thank you yes.

00:37:02.100 --> 00:37:12.630 Georgeann Dau: say thank you, you know you were talking before about that you know um you know the importance of recognizing you know, maybe thanking God for the meal.

00:37:14.370 --> 00:37:29.280 Georgeann Dau: I believe in very much in that, and you know really recognizing and appreciating everything that's before us in a day someone brought made created in God for you.

00:37:31.020 --> 00:37:31.350 Georgeann Dau: Right.

00:37:32.040 --> 00:37:38.340 Georgeann Dau: Totally well heads work the machine that made the computer for us to sit here and.

00:37:38.970 --> 00:37:48.180 Sandra Bargman: I think you I think you touched on really something that that is at the heart of how to navigate that the edges.

00:37:49.230 --> 00:37:51.570 Sandra Bargman: is really you know it's gratitude.

00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:56.700 Sandra Bargman: And the the.

00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:08.010 Sandra Bargman: The calming effect of gratitude and the whip how gratitude can help you get real with what it is this happening in your life.

00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:13.710 Sandra Bargman: You know I remember when I was doing a show, and I was.

00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:25.410 Sandra Bargman: Putting the show together, and I was experiencing some real pushback about my creative life internally, and I was feeling kind of angry about it.

00:38:29.130 --> 00:38:40.380 Sandra Bargman: And that I felt as though I was sacrificing a lot for a long term relationship and and a life created life together.

00:38:41.970 --> 00:38:55.650 Sandra Bargman: And so, how could I, how could I push that edge, how can I be with that edge and feel reinvigorated around my creative life and still feel great.

00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:02.880 Sandra Bargman: You not hear me.

00:39:03.270 --> 00:39:05.100 Georgeann Dau: I can hear you now again broke up.

00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.610 Sandra Bargman: Okay, how what what did not hear.

00:39:08.910 --> 00:39:10.140 Georgeann Dau: How can I.

00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:14.610 Sandra Bargman: How can I push through this creative.

00:39:15.660 --> 00:39:36.930 Sandra Bargman: edge that i'm feeling and reclaim what's important to me creatively and still feel the gratitude for this incredible relationship, because that is an edge there you cannot if you want a long term and a deep abiding relationship, you make sacrifices for that.

00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:44.820 Georgeann Dau: And you you just touched on something very important, I think it's important for all of us, the year that.

00:39:45.990 --> 00:39:51.240 Georgeann Dau: We are all called to sacrifice and the truth is my life is not about me.

00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:56.430 Georgeann Dau: Our lives and not about our selves only.

00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:15.930 Georgeann Dau: We can incorporate ourselves in it, but we've sort of lost our way with that, I think, and I listened to that so much in my patients in regard to their relationship, because I do a lot of relationship work also, I think you do too, and you know, in that I find it amazing that.

00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:29.040 Georgeann Dau: myself included, that it's very, very hard to embrace what someone else might want if it's disrupting with the vision of myself in my own journey is.

00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:30.840 Sandra Bargman: By navigate that edge.

00:40:32.850 --> 00:40:40.710 Sandra Bargman: How do I stay, how do I stay focused on those two, how can they both live in me this and this.

00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:43.230 Sandra Bargman: How can I maintain that.

00:40:43.590 --> 00:40:54.960 Georgeann Dau: complexity, yes I love that how do I maintain the complexity and in the outer world in actual time in the real life.

00:40:57.930 --> 00:41:01.830 Georgeann Dau: having to make having to make movements.

00:41:04.410 --> 00:41:07.620 Georgeann Dau: Within that line real movement.

00:41:09.540 --> 00:41:11.610 Georgeann Dau: that's when it gets you mean.

00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:20.760 Georgeann Dau: You know it's one thing to stay with the feeling of the liminal space it's another thing to have to now create create a.

00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:23.520 Georgeann Dau: action that you take action.

00:41:25.410 --> 00:41:32.040 Sandra Bargman: What what is that going to be and again be real about what that action is again not be fearful.

00:41:33.060 --> 00:41:43.680 Sandra Bargman: And it all comes back to fear of change, and you know it's you know yeah yeah yeah you, you may need to make some changes and you may need to grow together.

00:41:44.700 --> 00:41:52.080 Sandra Bargman: in ways that feel challenging if we're staying in that the confines of a relationship.

00:41:53.370 --> 00:41:56.160 Sandra Bargman: But it's that way in so many things it.

00:41:57.030 --> 00:42:01.020 Georgeann Dau: Really everything, and I think that's what we started to show with this that with.

00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:02.730 Georgeann Dau: Everything every breath is.

00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:03.780 Georgeann Dau: In dre.

00:42:03.990 --> 00:42:04.830 Sandra Bargman: every moment.

00:42:05.430 --> 00:42:14.640 Georgeann Dau: I love that really and it's such a you know it's what we're talking about isn't new, but the way in which you framed it and what you called it.

00:42:15.240 --> 00:42:30.540 Georgeann Dau: is totally new to me might not be new to a lot of listeners but it's totally new to me and I love it so much you know the edge of every day, the edge of every moment the edge.

00:42:31.890 --> 00:42:32.250 Georgeann Dau: The.

00:42:36.270 --> 00:42:36.690 Georgeann Dau: break.

00:42:40.530 --> 00:42:54.420 Georgeann Dau: we'll be right back i'm Dr George and down silly will be right back with Sander Bergman and a journey through into and it's thanks so much for joining us tonight, I hope you having a good time be right back.

00:45:16.140 --> 00:45:24.390 Georgeann Dau: Welcome back to the journey through without the Georgian dal and our special guest and talented lady sundry boardman.

00:45:25.170 --> 00:45:26.160 Sandra Bargman: Oh, my goodness.

00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:27.240 Georgeann Dau: Oh, my goodness.

00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:29.790 Sandra Bargman: We haven't we have nothing to laugh about our talk about.

00:45:30.060 --> 00:45:30.330 That.

00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:35.940 Georgeann Dau: And figure it out um so I know that you um.

00:45:37.110 --> 00:45:38.940 Georgeann Dau: I know that you do work.

00:45:40.680 --> 00:45:46.800 Georgeann Dau: I know you do work with women, is it you do some sort of volunteer work.

00:45:49.710 --> 00:46:00.390 Sandra Bargman: I do volunteer work with the elderly, I do I have been hired a friend of mine is starting a business that is called the.

00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:02.820 Sandra Bargman: Oh, my God.

00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:19.800 Sandra Bargman: strategic alliance of women, and she has pulled me in it's on a little bit of a hiatus right at the moment, so it's not uppermost in my mind, because she's writing a book and doing her Ted talk and.

00:46:20.040 --> 00:46:21.480 Sandra Bargman: It was that area, except yet it's.

00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.350 Sandra Bargman: very exciting.

00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:37.830 Sandra Bargman: And in fact i've just written a chapter for her book she's really set it up in a wonderful way she's brought in people to contribute she's writing the whole book but she's also asking women to contribute chapters that are in alignment.

00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:38.430 Sandra Bargman: With her.

00:46:39.270 --> 00:46:46.260 Sandra Bargman: Which is really spectacular yeah just great and it's um and my particular chapter is on anger.

00:46:47.790 --> 00:46:57.150 Sandra Bargman: And how it relates to my leadership and which I think I think women in today's world can relate to.

00:46:58.290 --> 00:47:03.810 Georgeann Dau: Absolutely absolutely you brought up a piece here about.

00:47:05.430 --> 00:47:10.980 Georgeann Dau: The rise of feminine and or disconnect to Mother Earth.

00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:21.150 Georgeann Dau: disconnect from Mother Earth yeah you know it's so interesting when I drive I live on long island Huntington North shore.

00:47:22.080 --> 00:47:39.780 Georgeann Dau: So when we're driving into the city and you just see all of the construction going on and they're ripping I actually feel like I can feel like the ripping of, and this might sound strange the ripping of you know, the mother earth's flesh and the constant digging and.

00:47:41.100 --> 00:47:43.110 Sandra Bargman: Totally oh my Lord.

00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:48.930 Georgeann Dau: A song so much what do we need to, we need a strip mall really do we need.

00:47:50.040 --> 00:47:55.530 Georgeann Dau: What do we need, what do we need more buildings, I mean do we need, I guess, we need more apartment buildings, I don't know.

00:47:56.160 --> 00:47:57.810 Sandra Bargman: And I think that this is this is.

00:47:58.170 --> 00:48:14.340 Sandra Bargman: At the heart of all of our our problems, all of the the the disconnect that we as humanity are experiencing is is that we've walked away from our connection to earth our home.

00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:17.460 Georgeann Dau: Our home that we've been gifted.

00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:18.750 Sandra Bargman: Are yes.

00:48:19.080 --> 00:48:20.190 Georgeann Dau: stewards of.

00:48:21.180 --> 00:48:32.640 Sandra Bargman: Not in dominion over to be stewards and companions with to live in synchronicity with in relation to.

00:48:33.990 --> 00:48:35.700 Sandra Bargman: ecosystems coming together.

00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:39.900 Georgeann Dau: And you know we look at cove it.

00:48:40.950 --> 00:48:58.230 Georgeann Dau: And you know as they continue to dig This is my imagination, as they continue to dig beneath what the the the ground of what was covered for centuries of under ice.

00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:08.820 Georgeann Dau: As the glaciers melt and all of these bacteria and viruses that were under they were meant to stay there.

00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:14.700 Georgeann Dau: Generations before and we're digging it up, what do we expect.

00:49:15.720 --> 00:49:20.190 Georgeann Dau: it's supposed to us, I don't know I mean listen I you know.

00:49:21.540 --> 00:49:27.870 Georgeann Dau: I don't I don't know i'm not an expert in this it's just a thought and feeling and it breaks my heart, it really just.

00:49:27.990 --> 00:49:40.950 Sandra Bargman: completely and utterly well and i'm married to somebody who is environmentally active and I, my my upcoming play that i'm writing is on this very thing that we're talking about and I took I.

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:49.230 Sandra Bargman: live in a climate reality Oh yes, little it, but I became a climate reality LEADER I took the training with Al Gore.

00:49:49.890 --> 00:49:54.270 Sandra Bargman: In 2017 yo yo was in my hometown of Pittsburgh, I might add.

00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:04.200 Sandra Bargman: which was fabulous and I went and gone to the second installation of an inconvenient truth, and so this his.

00:50:05.040 --> 00:50:13.800 Sandra Bargman: Climate reality project and getting people educated out in the world was more more prevalent in this particular version of the movie.

00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:22.230 Sandra Bargman: And so you know we were driving home from the movie to our place up here and I was supposed to be doing.

00:50:22.740 --> 00:50:28.350 Sandra Bargman: A show the edge of every day follow up show to the edge of every day that was cancelled.

00:50:28.950 --> 00:50:37.050 Sandra Bargman: And it was the same weekend and I went literally went from that to the the the organization closed, where I was doing a show.

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:47.130 Sandra Bargman: couldn't book it somewhere else, so the weekend was now free went home gone on the computer boom, it was that climate reality Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.

00:50:47.670 --> 00:51:00.450 Sandra Bargman: Bam was fabulous so though the learning of the perma the permaculture and you know melting and the potential of release of bacteria and insects and yeah.

00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:00.870 Georgeann Dau: and

00:51:00.930 --> 00:51:14.970 Sandra Bargman: You know, oh sure no it's something and but this play that i'm now doing on lilith to tie it all together on Mother Earth and women's anger and the rise of the feminine.

00:51:16.590 --> 00:51:26.400 Sandra Bargman: lilith being for those who are who are listening in lilith being the the the supposed first concert the with of Adam.

00:51:27.390 --> 00:51:39.570 Sandra Bargman: In the first book of the Bible, and that she was the initial female created of the same stuff of earth that Adam was created from.

00:51:40.470 --> 00:52:02.760 Sandra Bargman: They were equal and there was some discussion between the two of them, that that they were, it was not, they were not simpatico and there was not she was not interested in being dominated and she left EDEN and Eve was created from the rib Adam.

00:52:03.030 --> 00:52:12.510 Georgeann Dau: isn't that interesting, I have never heard this I love learning and I love this and where, where is this can I read more about this.

00:52:12.810 --> 00:52:30.510 Sandra Bargman: Oh sure oh yeah we totally Google lilith it's fabulous well and she's not btw she's pre Bible, of course, she's originally in the Sumerian tradition and so and there's a lot of you know there's tons of information on lilith.

00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.430 Georgeann Dau: Some area and.

00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:39.210 Georgeann Dau: What was the other one you've had the one coast with Sumerian and the other Coast was.

00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:42.540 Georgeann Dau: Anyway, i'm getting off track sorry.

00:52:43.890 --> 00:53:01.110 Georgeann Dau: yeah very, very interesting yeah you're you're involved with great great things, and you know when I was taking courses in peace and social justice and you listen about you listen to so much that there is to do for us, we all this so much work to do.

00:53:01.620 --> 00:53:06.840 Georgeann Dau: I started feeling overwhelmed which is pretty much a natural state for me, unfortunately.

00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:20.190 Georgeann Dau: overwhelmed working on it um and what I felt inside was, I felt the Lord just say to me one start with self and then one person at a time.

00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:34.950 Georgeann Dau: One piece, at a time, because you know Oh, my goodness, there you know it's the collective consciousness that creates the change and energy on the planet, either upward or not.

00:53:42.090 --> 00:53:48.210 Georgeann Dau: Right so you're doing great great things so if we were going to.

00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:54.780 Georgeann Dau: If I could ask you what is one takeaway from tonight's show.

00:53:57.450 --> 00:54:05.010 Georgeann Dau: Before we end for our listeners, would you say what would you want to say what's the takeaway.

00:54:05.490 --> 00:54:05.940 Sandra Bargman: I was.

00:54:06.030 --> 00:54:09.780 Sandra Bargman: With I would say, if you are sensing.

00:54:11.310 --> 00:54:18.990 Sandra Bargman: And I think that people coming out of covert are sent a lot of people are sensing this because it's a new world.

00:54:19.770 --> 00:54:32.940 Sandra Bargman: there's no going back there it's not getting back to normal, there is no such thing it is a new, so we are at that precipice that edge that I spoke of earlier.

00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:45.660 Sandra Bargman: And that if you if you want to think of it as taking step onto water step stepping out Jesus did out of the boat into the new world where the world feels a little.

00:54:46.770 --> 00:54:47.760 Sandra Bargman: unsure.

00:54:50.340 --> 00:55:06.150 Sandra Bargman: trust that you do not be fearful trust that the you have all that it takes to step over that edge over that threshold, you have the realness you, you have it that's.

00:55:06.630 --> 00:55:08.220 Georgeann Dau: amen and you're not alone.

00:55:09.330 --> 00:55:13.170 Georgeann Dau: You walk with your God so.

00:55:14.490 --> 00:55:16.740 Georgeann Dau: i'd like to end in prayer would that be okay.

00:55:17.100 --> 00:55:17.790 Sandra Bargman: with you that.

00:55:17.910 --> 00:55:27.720 Georgeann Dau: I would love to have before we end because we might just hit the mark and have to say goodbye, I want to thank you so much for being on the show tonight, you are a blessing.

00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:33.540 Sandra Bargman: Oh Thank you so much for having a little i've had a glorious time being here with you.

00:55:33.630 --> 00:55:34.740 Georgeann Dau: And you'll come on again.

00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:38.640 Sandra Bargman: I would love that I would absolutely love that Thank you.

00:55:39.240 --> 00:55:47.070 Georgeann Dau: And i'd like to say, thanks to Emily Sam and will then cool or responsible behind the scenes for.

00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:52.020 Georgeann Dau: Today, show so real quickly, let us pray.

00:55:53.340 --> 00:56:10.620 Georgeann Dau: loving God you fill all things with the fullness and hope that we can never comprehend, thank you for leading us into a time where more of realities being unveiled for us to see keep us open to walk in faith.

00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:33.960 Georgeann Dau: make us willing to do so and we pray for all those that are earning in any way, shape or form may they be touched by your love use us as vehicles for that love and we pray always in all of the names of God amen Thank you all of you for joining us tonight God bless.

00:56:35.610 --> 00:56:41.160 Georgeann Dau: And we hope to see you next time see you soon good night Thank you Sandra.

00:56:41.430 --> 00:56:42.420 Sandra Bargman: Thank you.

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