We’d like to introduce our special guest Dr. Annette Osher. Her profession is in Cardiology and Internal Medicine but she also is a Clinical Instructor preparing the next line of aspiring doctors who will make a difference in their community as she has for hers.
Through her practice in medicine she found that she enjoys getting to know her patients individually and has been able to develop a comforting bond with them. She is patient, sympathetic and has created a very passionate outlook on human connection. She has an outstanding resume studying at MD, Medical College of Pennsylvania Residency, Internal Medicine Long Island Jewish Medical Center Fellowship and Cardiology S.U.N.Y. Health Science Center.
It’s an honor to have her on our show tonight.
On tonight’s show, Albert introduces his special guest, Dr. Annette Osher. Dr. Osher has been a cardiologist for the last 36 years. She was trained in New York and Philadelphia. She says that in the last couple of years, many doctors have lost their jobs due to different factors, currently one example is Covid related. Because of this, she decides to be closer with her patients and help them as much as they can. Albert asks Osher about why she got into medicine. As a child, Dr. Osher once received an interactive book as a birthday gift that was about the systems of the human body. This was where she fell in love with the topic and was very curious about how our bodies work. When it came to schooling, she did not like high school or college but she really enjoyed medical school of course. After medical school, she went into medical practice after her fellowship. Osher says that she wants to have a close relationship with her patients, where they would feel comfortable making a phone call to her directly or coming in the same day, etc. She makes sure to also spend as much time as patients need which becomes helpful and beneficial for their care.
Coming back from the break, they continue their discussion on Concierge Medicine. Concierge Medicine refers to an approach where patients partake in a membership based practice that may offer better access and undivided attention from their doctor whether it’s personalized care or basic primary care services. Albert asks Osher about her practice during Covid. Dr. Osher herself had Covid around March of 2020. She also helped patients working from home. In April, she volunteered to work at a specific ICU in New York City. Bellevue Hospital. Usually, she says, ICU’s have 20 patients. During this time though, there were about 457 patients. She describes what it was like during this time, most of us did not understand the disease as much as we do now. There were things like cardiac arrests being reported every couple of minutes. Osher describes it as a feeling of being helpless. But there were doctors, nurses, and even people in the Marines who came from other cities to help. At one point, all doctors had a mental health meeting. This meeting reminded doctors that whatever they were able to do was worthwhile. From helping as many patients, to speaking with relatives, everyone was reminded about the impact they had.
Albert asks Dr. Osher about her adjustments since the beginning of the pandemic such as creating more space physically and emotionally with her patients. Osher says that she knew that we would be okay but it was a matter of how long until we would’ve been able to have a vaccine and understand the virus better. She learned along the way that the virus has affected people in that it affects the brain in many ways including the circulatory system. This is not only just symptoms of loss of taste or smell but Covid also affects those who already suffer from depression and anxiety because of isolation. They discuss how those who don’t believe in this illness may not understand the severity of what the virus has caused and unfortunately only realize until they lose someone close to them. When asked about how she feels about the situation currently, Dr. Osher believes that things are much better from where we were early in 2020. She mentions that she doesn't understand how some people would refuse to get vaccinated considering that many of us may have gotten multiple types of vaccinations throughout our lives. Albert asks about doctors' roles in politics. Dr. Osher also believes that science isn’t political. It isn’t on one side of the spectrum. Science is science.
Coming back from the final break, Albert asks Osher about first-time patients who may come to her worried and anxious. She finds it as an adventure to get to know someone and their health and also keeps a positive mindset that there is always something good that can be found with someone and their health. Dr. Osher also always wants to find a way to help someone find the next step in their healthcare. Albert makes a note of how compassionate Dr. Osher is. People can visit Oshermd.com to learn more about Dr. Osher and her practice. She also provided an easier way to contact her; her office number is 212-861-6161. She believes kindness is a form of medicine and an understanding between two people as well as being non judgemental. As an example, Osher speaks about a patient she once had who was hospitalized numerous times in a psychiatric institution for psychotic episodes. By just letting the patient speak and listen to what they had been through such as being prescribed many medications, Dr. Osher discovered that they weren’t experiencing episodes, they were actually having partial complex seizures. She was able to get down to the bottom of this case and help this patient. She recounts this experience with the patient as very touching because they were never able to get the right treatment no matter what doctor they visited. Albert thanks Dr. Osher for being his guest for this episode and reminds us to watch his film Extra Innings. It is available on many platforms like Peacock, Amazon Prime, Apple TV and more.
00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:32.430 Albert Dabah: hi there, welcome to extra innings covering all the bases, my name is Albert dabba I work as a therapist and also as a film producer an extra innings covering all the bases, we discuss all different kinds of subjects that have to do with mental wellness mental illness.
00:03:33.600 --> 00:03:41.760 Albert Dabah: subjects that sometimes people don't want to talk about such as anxiety disorder bipolar disorder suicide.
00:03:43.260 --> 00:03:45.750 Albert Dabah: there's a big stigma, I believe, on.
00:03:46.830 --> 00:03:48.090 Albert Dabah: Issues such as.
00:03:50.760 --> 00:04:03.660 Albert Dabah: The the intricacies of what it is that people have when it deals with their psyche and their mental illness, whether they go to a therapist or not, and whether talking to people about going to therapy.
00:04:05.310 --> 00:04:11.040 Albert Dabah: Some people say well it's different now, but still, it is as in from my own experience, there is a stigma.
00:04:11.820 --> 00:04:18.510 Albert Dabah: On this show we have had many different kinds of people from all different kinds of professions we've had therapists we've had.
00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:28.980 Albert Dabah: writers poets actors, doctors and people who have gone through different challenges and issues in their life and been able to get through them.
00:04:29.820 --> 00:04:48.090 Albert Dabah: Many of them have written books and the some have just have been figured out ways to get through some of these issues that come up and one of the objectives of this podcast is for people to understand that they're not alone that they can talk about what's going on with them.
00:04:49.470 --> 00:04:55.080 Albert Dabah: The name extra innings comes from a movie that I have written produced and directed.
00:04:56.400 --> 00:05:02.880 Albert Dabah: And it is on Amazon and it's on many other platforms, right now, which can be seen.
00:05:04.290 --> 00:05:08.280 Albert Dabah: tonight on our show we have a special guest.
00:05:09.420 --> 00:05:21.330 Albert Dabah: Someone that I know personally her name is Dr a net oh sure she's been a physician for over 36 or 38 years I believe she's a cardiologist.
00:05:22.410 --> 00:05:31.860 Albert Dabah: But she's a special kind of doctor and she'll tell you why so and that, how are you this evening tell us a little bit about your background.
00:05:35.970 --> 00:05:40.170 Albert Dabah: I unmute any sorry about that okay.
00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:53.430 annetteosher: hi Albert it's great to to be with you, thank you for that that introduction i've been a cardiologist for the last 36 years I practice, both internal medicine and cardiology.
00:05:53.820 --> 00:06:04.440 annetteosher: My training has been in New York and Philadelphia i'm currently at in Manhattan on fifth avenue and.
00:06:05.340 --> 00:06:24.570 annetteosher: I have been in a solo practice for all these years, and I, I see people and and and take care of them from all of all of their medical issues acceptance gyn and and their prostate and and so on.
00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:27.870 annetteosher: With a specialty in cardiology.
00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:42.630 annetteosher: I, in the last couple of years since coven many physicians have gone out of practice and in the model in New York, has become much more for me of a.
00:06:43.200 --> 00:06:55.410 annetteosher: Very personalized medical care which, which has been termed concierge medicine what that means for me is to treat the patient.
00:06:56.220 --> 00:07:15.090 annetteosher: With a very personal touch, meaning that if they need one hour to be with them or two hours they have my cell phone they can call me in the evenings or the weekends, they are out of state or they're on vacation or they are.
00:07:16.080 --> 00:07:36.720 annetteosher: they're ill somewhere else, I am in their pocket or I am their advocate to help them and to just give them whatever care they need, or perhaps bring them back here to be treated in New York and to support them back to just tells you a little bit about me.
00:07:37.020 --> 00:07:47.610 Albert Dabah: Right right um concierge medicine, I did look it up, and I was really interested in this because I never heard about it before so i'd like.
00:07:48.270 --> 00:07:58.680 Albert Dabah: To ask you some questions about it, but before that i'd like to ask you how did you get into medicine in the first place, did you always want to be a doctor was that something you felt you wanted to do growing up.
00:07:59.940 --> 00:08:10.920 annetteosher: Yes, when I was when I was eight years old, as a birthday present I received from me, it was the most magnificent book, which was it was called the human body.
00:08:11.460 --> 00:08:17.820 annetteosher: It was back in brooklyn back in the day, it was a large Blue Book with plastic.
00:08:18.570 --> 00:08:31.320 annetteosher: pages that when you turn them, they were three three dimensional and each page had a part, a system of the body, so the first page was the skin, which opened.
00:08:31.650 --> 00:08:41.550 annetteosher: And then the next page could be the digestive system, and then the next page could be the vascular system, and then the next page could be the skeleton.
00:08:41.880 --> 00:08:53.880 annetteosher: And so you could actually enter the body and see how everything worked and how it all worked together and I thought this was the greatest the greatest thing ever I just loved it and.
00:08:54.630 --> 00:09:08.130 annetteosher: That really piqued my interest and and I just began to be so curious about how the body worked and I, I wanted to be a doctor from I think age eight on.
00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.730 Albert Dabah: It have anything to do with.
00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:20.640 Albert Dabah: me down through new at the time, doctors, you sighs the kid at that age like did you have a role model at all.
00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:26.310 annetteosher: No, I think I was scared of my doctor I mean I remember him being at the other end of the shot.
00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:32.610 annetteosher: And I, and I did not want to be at my end of the shot, I think I wanted to be at his end of the shot.
00:09:33.570 --> 00:09:33.990 Okay.
00:09:35.040 --> 00:09:43.080 annetteosher: I didn't have a role model, but I had tremendous curiosity, for how things worked and I thought the body was just an amazing machine and.
00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:54.750 annetteosher: And I also thought trees were amazing and flowers and everything in nature, and you know it was just it was just remarkable and I just wanted to know more.
00:09:56.070 --> 00:10:04.230 Albert Dabah: Good the amount of schooling, that you knew that, as you grow older gods see how my schooling, it would take that at all.
00:10:05.730 --> 00:10:12.330 Albert Dabah: give you a sense of who I don't know if I want to do all that or did it just you were so you were determined to be adopted.
00:10:13.230 --> 00:10:26.370 annetteosher: Well, it really you know, for me it was it was sort of a calling, and I really when I was younger, I thought everyone had to call it, and everybody had a you know was going somewhere and I, I never really thought about the school I.
00:10:26.820 --> 00:10:38.610 annetteosher: I really didn't like going to college or high school, but I love Medical School I thought it was so fantastic, and I was so interested that I loved every minute of it so.
00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:40.110 Albert Dabah: The Medical School sorry.
00:10:40.470 --> 00:11:00.840 annetteosher: in Philadelphia, it was was formerly women's medical it was built in the 1800s for women who couldn't get into Medical School and since then unfortunately went bankrupt and it's it's merged with hanuman and now it's drexel it's called drexel, but it was a great great place great place.
00:11:03.390 --> 00:11:12.630 Albert Dabah: When you were in college was there, did you did you find yourself, did you know that you wanted to go to MED school.
00:11:12.750 --> 00:11:13.380 annetteosher: Medical School.
00:11:13.530 --> 00:11:14.070 Albert Dabah: On your car.
00:11:14.490 --> 00:11:23.010 annetteosher: Oh yeah absolutely accept it was it was not a very welcoming in the school I happen to go to Syracuse university and.
00:11:23.400 --> 00:11:39.240 annetteosher: On the very first day that professor and one of the class one of the enormous classes said, you know look to your left and look to your right, and in those days, everybody wondering got go to Medical School and he said, you know, two out of three of you are not going to Medical School.
00:11:40.530 --> 00:11:43.080 annetteosher: yeah it was one of those kind of negative.
00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:58.920 annetteosher: But um yeah I mean it it didn't deter me but I had to get past college to go where I wanted, though I mean I was a very focused kind of had my eye on the bullseye from from from a very young age.
00:11:59.670 --> 00:12:03.000 Albert Dabah: So, once you became a doctor, how to start or did you.
00:12:04.470 --> 00:12:07.440 Albert Dabah: Work in a hospital when you first started or did you.
00:12:07.950 --> 00:12:10.560 Albert Dabah: have your own practice the land when did that come around.
00:12:11.760 --> 00:12:28.590 annetteosher: Well, it right and pretty much right away, so this is it goes, you know you're going to Medical School, then you have a residency, then you have a fellowship and and then I went into practice, right after my fellowship so that was in 85 so I built an office.
00:12:30.270 --> 00:12:39.480 annetteosher: Initially, on the West side I built a women's medical group, but it was a little too early for its time and then I subsequently came over to.
00:12:40.590 --> 00:12:55.380 annetteosher: To the East side, where people really want their doctors to be and became affiliated with mount Sinai and loved loved all those associations and built my practice on the on the side.
00:12:57.750 --> 00:13:11.460 Albert Dabah: So you talked about in the very beginning, you mentioned concierge medicine and until I read about you a recently I never heard of that can you let people know what that is.
00:13:12.420 --> 00:13:26.550 annetteosher: Well, you know in in my mind, and the way I have it, the way it works for me and my patients it's really a better relationship it's about a more enhanced and a very close relationship with my patients, so that.
00:13:28.380 --> 00:13:34.110 annetteosher: They are very close to me they can call me anytime day or night.
00:13:37.530 --> 00:13:38.070 Albert Dabah: With her.
00:13:39.570 --> 00:13:42.780 annetteosher: My dog is digging a huddle in the living room right now.
00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:43.680 Albert Dabah: Oh okay.
00:13:44.970 --> 00:13:46.590 Albert Dabah: Well, dogs been some attention.
00:13:47.970 --> 00:13:50.280 annetteosher: Exactly and.
00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:55.410 annetteosher: What I was saying, oh yeah so so.
00:13:57.060 --> 00:13:58.350 annetteosher: So my patients.
00:13:59.400 --> 00:14:09.810 annetteosher: it's they are able to call me or contact me anytime of day or night, they have my cell number, and they can come in on the same day if they need to.
00:14:10.140 --> 00:14:19.470 annetteosher: So it's really it's kind of like the old time doctor who sees the patient as often as much as possible there's no time limit there's no rush.
00:14:19.770 --> 00:14:32.850 annetteosher: I literally see one patient at a time so it's very it's very discreet it's very private there's no rush I did I spend as much time as they need, and if they if they.
00:14:33.900 --> 00:14:53.520 annetteosher: ends up that they share quite quite a lot with me and I do a lot for them, and our relationship gets very close and any labs that are done, I mean I find them I go after them, I coordinate with all the doctors who take care of them i'm kind of the the the.
00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:09.870 annetteosher: The Center of the wheel of of all the spokes so it's really it's beneficial for them and it's expedient for their workup and it's it's just very help it's just it just excellent it's much better care.
00:15:11.190 --> 00:15:27.810 annetteosher: I know them and they don't get lost they if they call it three o'clock we're not closed, you know we're just we're we're we're there for them where my office is there is there for them and can provide whatever they need.
00:15:29.250 --> 00:15:30.030 Albert Dabah: Well, so.
00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:43.800 annetteosher: they're very happy they really they really feel good they feel cared for, they are cared for and they really.
00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:51.930 annetteosher: Like the relationship it's much more I don't want to say intimate but it's much more caring and.
00:15:53.280 --> 00:16:01.110 annetteosher: it's an advocate advocacy and I and it's a 5050 relationship, I have them I have them.
00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:12.660 annetteosher: they're very involved in their care and I listened to them, I always think the patient is correct, so if you let them speak, they will tell you really what's wrong with them.
00:16:12.690 --> 00:16:23.820 Albert Dabah: By okay wow well i'm looking to take a break and come right back with a net and talk more about the concierge medicine i'm really curious about that Thank you we'll be right back.
00:18:36.540 --> 00:18:43.680 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with that oh sure and we've been talking about concierge medicine.
00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:59.400 Albert Dabah: And that is a cardiologist so when people do see you it's not necessarily about the heart or a cardiology problem is it, it could be about anything is that right.
00:19:02.340 --> 00:19:03.030 Albert Dabah: The unmute.
00:19:03.300 --> 00:19:08.340 annetteosher: It can be internal medicine it's often internal medicine and or cardiology.
00:19:08.970 --> 00:19:12.060 Albert Dabah: Okay, all right yeah How did the how did people.
00:19:13.320 --> 00:19:15.360 Albert Dabah: I mean find out about it about.
00:19:16.410 --> 00:19:20.250 Albert Dabah: concierge medicine, I never heard about it, but I just curious.
00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:32.970 annetteosher: I mean, I think now it's it's it's more common in New York City, since so many there aren't that many people in practice in private practice in New York, especially having.
00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:51.570 annetteosher: If you've been in practice for 30 or more years, and you have a lot to offer the patient, the model, it is a concierge type of model, so it has bloomed in the last five years let's say for sure, so that it's very common.
00:19:52.020 --> 00:19:55.200 Albert Dabah: Is it is it all across the country or I mean, is it.
00:19:56.070 --> 00:20:05.820 annetteosher: I would say it's it's it for sure it's in it, yes it is across the country and for for sure it's in every big city.
00:20:08.340 --> 00:20:14.160 Albert Dabah: Have there any disadvantages of this class us medicines that you can think of that that.
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:15.990 Albert Dabah: comes up.
00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:23.460 annetteosher: I don't think so, I think the patients are extremely happy and have all continued on with me.
00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:24.930 annetteosher: So, and I have.
00:20:24.930 --> 00:20:47.130 annetteosher: People joining every week so it's it seems to be, and also, you can you can speak to me via telemedicine, so if there's if it's snowing or if it's raining or if you don't feel well or whatever we do a telephone telemedicine visit so it's very it's very convenient for the patient.
00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:57.540 annetteosher: And then there there's often a follow up a week or so or two or two weeks later, to make sure the patient's fine right right.
00:20:58.170 --> 00:21:00.450 Albert Dabah: So I met then your network is pretty.
00:21:00.450 --> 00:21:03.390 Albert Dabah: Big right to be able to do this.
00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:05.910 annetteosher: My network of patients or or.
00:21:06.030 --> 00:21:07.230 Albert Dabah: or flow actually.
00:21:07.890 --> 00:21:09.150 Albert Dabah: Doctors I was thinking.
00:21:10.110 --> 00:21:15.330 Albert Dabah: Yes, yes, medical field yeah yes, so do you find.
00:21:16.350 --> 00:21:20.580 Albert Dabah: Now we've had a year with the pandemic, I want to bring up.
00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:24.270 Albert Dabah: I remember when I first talked to you.
00:21:25.560 --> 00:21:36.960 Albert Dabah: It was a little bit after the beginning of the pandemic, I think we were several months in at least, and I remember you were doing some work with mount Sinai volunteering.
00:21:38.430 --> 00:21:46.680 Albert Dabah: For during the beginning of the colored crisis, so what was that, like, for you What was it like.
00:21:47.970 --> 00:21:57.270 Albert Dabah: meme and it wasn't like mental health wise to not just for you, but for the whole like dealing with a medical staff dealing with something.
00:21:57.870 --> 00:22:06.150 Albert Dabah: that many people never had seen before, and not knowing exactly what was going on, and I think is one of the things in keep finding out new things about it.
00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.040 annetteosher: So what happened in March of 2020 I actually I had called it.
00:22:11.550 --> 00:22:27.750 annetteosher: And I was fairly sick, I continue to practice we close the office and I continue to practice from home and took care of many, many patients with colby from home, who are hospitalized who were in icu and so on, or around the same time.
00:22:29.130 --> 00:22:46.170 annetteosher: I received a letter from the governor probably as did many other physicians a letter saying, please respond within 36 hours if you can volunteer at a hospital to give your services so so I, of course.
00:22:47.280 --> 00:23:07.410 annetteosher: You know I of course volunteered and I said I want to i'd like to work at bellevue and that's where I was, I was placed so after I recovered in April of 2020 I was in the bellevue icu and that was.
00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:15.870 annetteosher: A very, very humbling experience and a very awesome and a very.
00:23:16.950 --> 00:23:30.990 annetteosher: I mean it's very hard they're just really aren't words, there were 457 people in the icu there which, which means Just to give you an idea and I see you usually has about 20 patients per hot you know in hospital.
00:23:32.070 --> 00:23:40.890 annetteosher: It it's a wing that it's a it's a part of a floor so so bellevue had four to five floors.
00:23:42.030 --> 00:24:01.020 annetteosher: Of up of icu beds all isolated, it was something unbelievable it was huge, and so we, I was in one of the ice us and it took us about six hours to round with about 10 or 12 or 14 other you know.
00:24:01.950 --> 00:24:14.970 annetteosher: very advanced physicians I was a cardiologist that there was a pulmonary there was a renal there was an intensive this there were so many physicians and, and this was at the beginning, when we didn't know anything.
00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:25.200 annetteosher: And the House staff, so it took to get through our 25 or or 30 patients took about six hours, where it usually takes about an hour and a half.
00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:34.140 annetteosher: It was exhausting and it was an all of these people were in in a coma in an induced coma and.
00:24:35.100 --> 00:24:48.480 annetteosher: They were so sick and really we didn't have any idea totally how to help them, or it was very, very stressful and very frustrating, and you know.
00:24:49.470 --> 00:24:56.610 annetteosher: The difference between that and a normal situation was that you know, usually, no matter how sick somebody is you.
00:24:56.970 --> 00:25:07.560 annetteosher: there's a recipe or there's a you know what to do, I mean you know there's always something you can do you can help in a pulmonary way in cardiac way and in whatever.
00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:18.960 annetteosher: This was really flying by the seat of your pants and I remember the the lead attended had had his phone on and he was in you know connected to some other doctor in some other city.
00:25:19.320 --> 00:25:27.720 annetteosher: I don't know if he was what the NIH who he was talking to trying to get information on each patient, it was it was really overwhelming.
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:33.780 annetteosher: And so many of those patients died that mean whenever one after the other.
00:25:34.650 --> 00:25:52.530 annetteosher: And there were a cardiac arrest being called every 10 Minutes it was it was it was so it was the days I don't know if you remember where they were trucks, you know more trucks outside and you know the bodies were really building up, it was very mentally.
00:25:54.300 --> 00:26:04.830 annetteosher: It I think it caused you know post traumatic stress for for all the doctors, because we we really couldn't we're supposed to help, and we really could not.
00:26:05.310 --> 00:26:10.020 annetteosher: We really couldn't help you really couldn't do much, I mean that that was the feeling.
00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:21.210 annetteosher: I mean everybody found something to do like I I tried to put in IV lines or I tried to get blood cultures or I tried to speak to families but.
00:26:21.570 --> 00:26:28.260 annetteosher: You really had this feeling that you were you are so helpless, it was it was it was just terrible.
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:46.260 annetteosher: Terrible and then you would leave at the end of the day, and people would be clapping on the street, for you at seven o'clock and you, you really hate it to hear that, because you felt so so terrible just terrible so it was it was a very tough time was a very.
00:26:47.850 --> 00:26:57.300 annetteosher: indescribable I there's never been anything like that it is really like doctors without borders, but it was the virus that took the borders away.
00:26:57.690 --> 00:27:02.910 annetteosher: and made it made it like a third or fifth World country in our own city.
00:27:03.390 --> 00:27:15.420 annetteosher: The only wonderful thing about it or the only thing that really made gave me pause was that people came from all over the country from Texas, they were people from the navy and the marines.
00:27:15.780 --> 00:27:30.060 annetteosher: They were doctors and anesthesiologist who came from all over the country to help New York, who came to bellevue who left their family, nurses, I was amazed, how many how many great people there, there were, I mean.
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:49.200 annetteosher: You know why did they come, I mean they didn't have to I mean it was really, really awesome for that, but it was very interesting at two o'clock in the afternoon at bellevue they had an announcement over the PA that there was a mental health meeting for all the doctors.
00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:59.010 annetteosher: at two o'clock at two o'clock and I remember thinking up I don't need this i've been a doctor for 30 years and and.
00:27:59.850 --> 00:28:06.510 annetteosher: And I thought i'll just keep working i'll keep working I don't want to leave the patients, you know, let me, let me see what I can do what I can do.
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:16.350 annetteosher: And I remember the first night I went home and I had I had what I don't know what to call it it's sort of like a word dream.
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:27.300 annetteosher: A dream of an impossible situation I had them when I was an intern when you really it's impossible for you to help somebody it really has kind of a post traumatic thing.
00:28:27.600 --> 00:28:34.110 annetteosher: So it's like an airplane will crash and it's not it's not that everyone's dead everyone's alive.
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:47.220 annetteosher: But they're all injured and you're the only you're you're you're the young doctor there on the field, you have no instruments, you have nothing but you have to save everybody, which is basically impossible.
00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:58.980 annetteosher: So, so I I realized on a second day that I needed to go to the that that psychiatric at that hour and you just didn't realize how it affected you, it was really.
00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:01.980 annetteosher: It was very intense.
00:29:03.210 --> 00:29:06.720 Albert Dabah: boy what was that our like that, how did that go.
00:29:07.410 --> 00:29:10.110 annetteosher: Well, I mean they they spoke to you about.
00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:21.690 annetteosher: You know that what we were doing was was helpful, even though we didn't realize it or we didn't know it or speaking to a family member because being kind.
00:29:22.050 --> 00:29:31.380 annetteosher: being kind to each other, being kind being even kind to yourself, for being kind to a mother or father or allowing.
00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:47.340 annetteosher: You know, at that time they didn't allow people in to say goodbye to a loved one or making or attempting to help somebody into the room in the last hours, whatever you did was was something was worthwhile so.
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:50.760 annetteosher: So that's that's what it was, it was.
00:29:51.810 --> 00:29:53.760 annetteosher: It was very tough and.
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.890 annetteosher: You know it's something I could never.
00:30:00.030 --> 00:30:00.870 annetteosher: You know.
00:30:02.100 --> 00:30:12.150 annetteosher: I could never really explained to anybody who wasn't there, but it was very, very, very heartfelt and very, very.
00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:16.620 annetteosher: very moving very moving for all of us.
00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:18.330 Albert Dabah: How long were you there.
00:30:18.840 --> 00:30:19.230 annetteosher: To me.
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.190 To.
00:30:21.660 --> 00:30:32.550 annetteosher: As soon as soon as the peak went down and they had they had as many people leave as possible, I think they understood how how traumatic it was for the doctors.
00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:34.350 Albert Dabah: right but well.
00:30:35.520 --> 00:30:36.600 Albert Dabah: And you still had your.
00:30:37.530 --> 00:30:39.330 annetteosher: Practice course.
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.070 Albert Dabah: well.
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:42.240 annetteosher: Of course.
00:30:42.300 --> 00:30:55.140 Albert Dabah: Well, no that's mine was I do remember that very well, I mean from the standpoint of the average person who would watch TV and see what's going on in here all that, and it was just something.
00:30:56.280 --> 00:31:10.710 annetteosher: I think people who said it didn't exist or it wasn't a big deal had no connection with a loved one or anybody in and it's unfortunate because it was it was it was just a brutal brutal event I right.
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:21.150 Albert Dabah: Well we're gonna take a break and come back within that in a minute and share more about her experiences as a doctor thanks so much we'll be right back.
00:33:56.820 --> 00:34:05.820 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with a net oh sure we've just been talking about when the head pandemic began in March 2020 and her.
00:34:06.990 --> 00:34:09.660 Albert Dabah: Volunteering at bellevue hospital in New York City.
00:34:11.490 --> 00:34:12.810 Albert Dabah: So it must have been.
00:34:13.950 --> 00:34:24.630 Albert Dabah: Like you said it's it's almost unexplainable and on like what what happened over there, because it was something that you had never you know people have never experienced before.
00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:35.160 Albert Dabah: With that amount of people and only a certain amount of beds and equipment available um as things change then.
00:34:36.240 --> 00:34:36.810 Albert Dabah: You know.
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:40.890 Albert Dabah: Did you find yourself.
00:34:43.470 --> 00:34:56.130 Albert Dabah: finding it more difficult moving forward as a doctor or was it like kind of an adjustment to what was going on at the time, and you realize you needed to you know change.
00:34:57.180 --> 00:35:17.520 Albert Dabah: I guess do some adjusting and how, in your maybe in your patient load or also separating yourself from I am always amazed, whether you're whatever kind of doctor, you are to separate yourself from the emotional part of what someone's going through to your own private life.
00:35:22.470 --> 00:35:24.990 annetteosher: No Those are a few questions you've.
00:35:24.990 --> 00:35:25.800 annetteosher: just asked me.
00:35:26.910 --> 00:35:27.480 annetteosher: Let me do.
00:35:29.310 --> 00:35:38.790 annetteosher: One at a time, so I mean, as a scientist or as a physician, I mean we have been through epidemics or pandemics in the past, so.
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:49.290 annetteosher: You know, having having learned about syphilis and tuberculosis and and have been through aids and learned about measles, and so on, and smallpox.
00:35:49.680 --> 00:35:54.900 annetteosher: I mean I knew that we would get through this and and having grown up with Anthony.
00:35:55.290 --> 00:36:05.490 annetteosher: auchi you know my whole life and having having seen what an amazing physician, he is I mean I I just I just trusted him and the CDC and the NIH and I.
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:17.400 annetteosher: And I just knew that we would be okay so so there was never I never felt, you know doom and gloom or anything like that it was a matter of time that we would get a vaccine and.
00:36:18.180 --> 00:36:30.150 annetteosher: So, so there was never any of that it was just how long and when, and someone so so that was that was just trying to understand and figure it out and.
00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:39.000 annetteosher: and trying to know how long antibodies would be around and so on, as far as separating yourself, you know.
00:36:39.630 --> 00:36:50.130 annetteosher: This this kind of thing I think it happens somehow in Medical School when you first start out and you kind of see your mentors who who teach you.
00:36:50.490 --> 00:37:01.740 annetteosher: And you see how they interact with patients and then they're having lunch and they're talking about their lives or their kids or you know and then there's just the separation of.
00:37:03.540 --> 00:37:15.840 annetteosher: A hospital and personal and and you, you develop kind of a rolodex and your head or a lockbox so so the patients are in the box almost as soon as right after I save it.
00:37:16.290 --> 00:37:30.690 annetteosher: And when I when they leave my office or I leave the hospital they're there in a cabinet and so you know if I see somebody even on the street I almost don't know if they're a movie star.
00:37:31.410 --> 00:37:41.100 annetteosher: Or, or if they're a patient or there's somebody I went to Camp with or school, but you know I they're they're really filed away so I.
00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:54.630 annetteosher: it's just something that you just do so, otherwise you would be you really wouldn't be able to function, you would be all you will just be like haunted you know, and you would be just you just would not be able.
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:59.580 Albert Dabah: I had analogy wonderful about having a lockbox.
00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:00.120 annetteosher: yeah.
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.560 annetteosher: yeah It really is, and it, but the box is really close that's why I don't know movie star.
00:38:06.030 --> 00:38:10.710 annetteosher: I don't know who it is it's somebody that i've seen but yeah but.
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:22.440 annetteosher: You know the other interesting thing about about coven and mental illness which were only learning about now is that you know we knew early on that coven.
00:38:23.580 --> 00:38:38.040 annetteosher: made people distanced and isolated from each other and from things and their families and lives and so on, but I i've learned along the way, now that it also.
00:38:39.630 --> 00:38:41.820 annetteosher: has made people.
00:38:43.680 --> 00:38:51.540 annetteosher: Who can I say it, it has affected, you know if somebody is depressed or somebody is some it has a.
00:38:52.260 --> 00:39:06.240 annetteosher: Has has an issue, it can make it worse or make them tip one way or another, so cove it really affects the brain it affects you in many neurological ways.
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:13.530 annetteosher: In addition to your circulatory system, so you know, besides it we know about the.
00:39:13.860 --> 00:39:23.970 annetteosher: sense of smell and taste, how it burns the nerves in your in the back of your fabrics and that's how you learn, you lose the sense of smell and taste.
00:39:24.270 --> 00:39:33.930 annetteosher: So it has some other it does something else in the brain where it alters your your mental state and puts you off balance.
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:50.010 annetteosher: And who knows how long you know how long it is, but that definitely is those long haulers or the people who, who are not quite right for a year, eight months or whatever, however long it is so there's a lot we're still learning.
00:39:51.810 --> 00:40:07.200 Albert Dabah: Well, I also think that the the mental health part of it is like you were saying there's a lot of isolation during the time so whether you have covert or don't have covert it's just a matter of how people are dealing with it in their own way.
00:40:08.490 --> 00:40:18.900 Albert Dabah: And also there's been so much controversy, politically and i'm going to put on the TV and listen to the news, and you know this one says this and that one says that.
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:24.090 Albert Dabah: But I think like you had said earlier, and you know, unless you've.
00:40:25.350 --> 00:40:42.300 Albert Dabah: Sometimes it takes someone to really realize it's really is there if they you know see it firsthand or have a relative or someone they know go through it, but i'm also thinking about the isolation of many people working from home.
00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:51.660 Albert Dabah: Not doing the social things that people normally do and how it can affect their their mood and if you're.
00:40:52.230 --> 00:41:00.870 Albert Dabah: happened to me, maybe prone to depression or even if you're not just the idea of I can't go out and meet my my.
00:41:01.350 --> 00:41:09.720 Albert Dabah: My kids I can't see my grandkids or I can't get too close to them, because I have something that I, you know, I have to be careful with about.
00:41:10.200 --> 00:41:21.300 Albert Dabah: And you know, I have a friend like that who you know, would he had he had cancer and was he was doing Okay, but he was afraid to get too close to.
00:41:21.720 --> 00:41:30.750 Albert Dabah: Other people during that time so that's another issue of that has come up whether you have coven or not, that you don't want to get it.
00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:41.880 Albert Dabah: And you have to psychologically realize, you know where mass don't wear a mask I mean all these things that have been coming up in different states different you know.
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.000 annetteosher: there's a lot of isolation correct.
00:41:45.330 --> 00:41:51.420 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah and I think that causes a lot of for a lot of people, a lot of loneliness.
00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:56.970 Albert Dabah: Whether it's prevalent or not in them, it, it can bring it out.
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:10.380 Albert Dabah: A, especially if you're you know used to working in an office with five or 10 people now you're working by yourself, or you're on zoom or whatever it is, but how do you how do you feel like.
00:42:12.720 --> 00:42:16.170 Albert Dabah: You know, like you mentioned, Dr faculty and.
00:42:16.770 --> 00:42:19.920 Albert Dabah: How do you feel the situation is right now with covered.
00:42:21.180 --> 00:42:21.960 Albert Dabah: And when we were.
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:28.350 annetteosher: Well, I think it's it's it's so much better it's so so much better I.
00:42:29.580 --> 00:42:41.910 annetteosher: I think everyone needs, obviously I think everyone should be vaccinated I think that you know, a mandated state is almost necessary a kid I can't understand people.
00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:49.590 annetteosher: Who are every I think they're just afraid it's an emotional fear of being getting the vaccine, but for misinformation or.
00:42:50.040 --> 00:43:09.840 annetteosher: it's not rational, so you know just like we had the measles shot we've gotten you know all the other shots of childhood, this is just another shot, you know we have to just move forward and be vaccinated and you know we're coming into the homestretch now and.
00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:30.570 annetteosher: I think we'll have this around for a couple of years, but we are in the best position that we've been in in these last 18 or 20 months so so think things are going very well things are down in New York, and I mean, I feel it I feel pretty safe and pretty good about things.
00:43:31.770 --> 00:43:37.080 Albert Dabah: You have some of your patients asking you about traveling now because of covert.
00:43:38.160 --> 00:43:52.260 Albert Dabah: With their you know, should they travel here she they travel to certain places, many, many, many, many I was supposed to go to a wedding in Israel, but, as you know, we shut down, and I believe, is just go sit down to only first degree relatives.
00:43:52.830 --> 00:44:02.310 annetteosher: yeah the problem are the countries have caught quarantining and all kinds of rules so traveling is really okay it's a.
00:44:02.670 --> 00:44:14.730 annetteosher: it's just the countries are are it's difficult to get it into the end to end to get out, but I think that's a matter of a couple of more months, you know I think we're almost there yeah.
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:24.690 Albert Dabah: yeah I know my my film extra innings was going to be played in Australia, and it was supposed to be in November, and now they pushed it to.
00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:28.500 Albert Dabah: They pushed it sometime in.
00:44:29.610 --> 00:44:41.760 Albert Dabah: March, they said but Australia was cool I think still is close anyone coming there yeah so it's made a big difference in people's lives for sure yeah.
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:42.930 yeah.
00:44:44.580 --> 00:44:45.060 I think.
00:44:46.290 --> 00:44:47.280 annetteosher: we're almost there.
00:44:47.910 --> 00:44:48.420 Albert Dabah: uh huh.
00:44:49.620 --> 00:44:50.970 Albert Dabah: Now does they.
00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:57.990 Albert Dabah: During this whole time and with all the politics going on and do the doctors get involved in the whole politics of this stuff.
00:44:58.200 --> 00:45:04.380 annetteosher: Now science doesn't have have you know it's not republican or democrat.
00:45:07.290 --> 00:45:08.340 Albert Dabah: Well that's good to know.
00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:19.050 Albert Dabah: Because when you listen, sometimes in some of the station you don't know what you, you know you stand it's like so much craziness going on.
00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:26.700 Albert Dabah: Anyway, we're going to take another break and we'll come back with a net in a moment, thanks so much.
00:47:30.450 --> 00:47:32.490 Albert Dabah: hi we're back with the net oh sure.
00:47:33.720 --> 00:47:34.680 Albert Dabah: And that do have.
00:47:35.730 --> 00:47:39.810 Albert Dabah: When you ever have patients that come to you that are.
00:47:41.490 --> 00:47:46.320 Albert Dabah: very nervous about what they may or may not have if they're fearful.
00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:49.980 Albert Dabah: You know, being a doctor sometimes has this.
00:47:51.030 --> 00:48:06.540 Albert Dabah: You know, I believe, sometimes people have look at doctors like they're you know, bigger than life and that sometimes there's a an anxiety about going to the doctor, especially for the first time, does that come up in your practice.
00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:10.200 annetteosher: i'm sure I imagine it does.
00:48:11.430 --> 00:48:12.540 annetteosher: But I.
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:19.770 annetteosher: You know I think I think in my practice, I immediately, you know what when I start with a new patient.
00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:28.140 annetteosher: I look at it completely as on my side it's an adventure for me to learn about somebody and and.
00:48:28.530 --> 00:48:40.920 annetteosher: No matter what they have there's always going to be a positive note, if you imagine the worst thing somebody could have it was always either hope or the or there's a treatment or there's a plan.
00:48:41.280 --> 00:49:00.510 annetteosher: And I never will leave somebody in the lurch, I will always set up the appointments for the next the let's say it's cancer of the breast, so I will set up the the oncologist the radiation all of the people in line so they're not they're not left there alone.
00:49:01.950 --> 00:49:09.210 annetteosher: But but usually I, and I tell them I tell the patient immediately, you know, this is a shared relationship, you know you're going to.
00:49:09.930 --> 00:49:31.080 annetteosher: it's going to be i'm going to inform you or give you information and you and you'll you'll tell me what you want to do or and and and we'll do it together so it's not I were both on an on an equal playing, there is no such thing as you know anybody is there's any of that God old fashioned.
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:31.860 annetteosher: thing.
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:49.440 annetteosher: So so right off from the get go, we are you know there's a very good understanding between each other so yeah I think I allay their fears or whatever and there's nothing painful in the office we don't we don't we don't use pain.
00:49:50.640 --> 00:49:50.910 Albert Dabah: Right.
00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:51.930 Albert Dabah: Yes, well.
00:49:52.710 --> 00:49:56.460 Albert Dabah: I see you as a very compassionate person, and I would say that.
00:49:58.050 --> 00:50:03.270 Albert Dabah: From my own experience, some people are much more compassionate than others, and some people.
00:50:03.630 --> 00:50:14.190 Albert Dabah: are probably you know better at doing what they do than other people, and because of the fact that they have compassion and you talked about the fact that before about in the hospital about.
00:50:14.640 --> 00:50:27.270 Albert Dabah: When you went to the mental health part of the in when you in bellevue about being kind, and I think that's you know that's a word that I think is so under us to be kind to people.
00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:42.060 Albert Dabah: It seems obvious to me that you should be kind and what whatever it is you do to treat people right the way you'd want to be treated and I applaud you for the work that you do, how do people.
00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:47.910 Albert Dabah: Like get to know about you and sign up to see you How does that work.
00:50:48.420 --> 00:51:10.170 annetteosher: Well, people can look, I have a website www dot OSHA md that's probably the easiest there's a lot of information there and I said, my offices at 10 one fifth avenue and i'll just give my my office number, which is 212-861-6161 and.
00:51:11.190 --> 00:51:17.790 annetteosher: that's The easiest way, if you want to make an appointment or or some people come and interview me, which is fine.
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:24.870 annetteosher: They can come for an hour and we can we can just talk, you know before before having an appointment.
00:51:26.550 --> 00:51:39.960 annetteosher: You know I think I think kindness is really a form of medicine it's really an understanding between two people that you know a lot of patients will come and they're afraid to tell you that they have.
00:51:40.290 --> 00:51:47.970 annetteosher: They think they have the worst possible symptom of something and it's nothing it's absolutely nothing it's really okay.
00:51:48.270 --> 00:51:57.870 annetteosher: And, and I, you know I always prepare myself Oh, this is going to be something i've never seen before, and it's really Okay, and the person is just so afraid.
00:51:58.200 --> 00:52:12.930 annetteosher: to share it like it's some some like it's a market said it's a monstrous thing so it's just being understanding being empathetic being kind and just being being okay being you know not non judgmental.
00:52:13.410 --> 00:52:23.580 Albert Dabah: Right, well, it sounds to me that when you're looking at the person as an individual, as opposed to just looking at the person, as you know, a body part that you need to fix.
00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:26.850 Albert Dabah: there's a big difference there is kind of like you're working as a.
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:38.700 Albert Dabah: for lack of a better word as a psychologist you know you're using your your your sensibility about you're dealing with someone who could be very nervous about what's going on with them.
00:52:39.030 --> 00:52:49.890 Albert Dabah: and think you know might be thinking doom in some way like there's no relief and you seem to be able to put them at ease I would think yeah.
00:52:50.550 --> 00:52:51.240 I.
00:52:52.740 --> 00:53:05.040 annetteosher: yeah i've had you know I can I tell you about one patient that was very it was so so amazing to me I couldn't a 29 year old young man from upstate New York came to see me.
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:17.850 annetteosher: As a referral from another another family and he was hospitalized a number of times in a psychiatric institution for psychotic episodes and he had just gotten married and so on.
00:53:18.210 --> 00:53:24.120 annetteosher: And he just you know we sat and talked for over an hour, and this is not concierge This is like.
00:53:24.750 --> 00:53:34.380 annetteosher: let's say five years ago, and he described the psychotic episodes and how he tried so hard to sit in a chair and not and control them.
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:43.830 annetteosher: And and with each of these episodes they all began in the same way, like he would smell something and then something else would happen and something else would happen.
00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:54.180 annetteosher: And, and I was listening to him and I really felt as though he was having a seizure and he had been this is upstate New York.
00:53:54.690 --> 00:54:02.550 annetteosher: And he was put on all these sites psych meds and he failed, all of them, and he just got worse and worse and in the end.
00:54:02.850 --> 00:54:11.370 annetteosher: I just been in there, I thought he must be having it's a certain type it's called a partial complex a seizure in the.
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:22.260 annetteosher: Part of the brain that has smell and taste and that's what he actually was smelling blood, I mean it was it was incredible I never I never heard of a psychotic kind of seizure.
00:54:22.470 --> 00:54:40.290 annetteosher: So I ran to my office and looked it up and there was such a thing, and I call the neurologist and look anyway Lo and behold, he had the workup and that's exactly what he had, and no one had diagnose this all these years he was he had multiple hospitalizations in a psychiatric institution.
00:54:41.430 --> 00:54:59.820 annetteosher: In the end, he was a he moved to San Diego and I contacted a surgeon a neurosurgeon who did this special brain where you burn out this little area of the brain and cured him the.
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:08.700 annetteosher: Of those seizures because the medicine is just didn't work, I mean I was just amazed visit this is New York state.
00:55:09.720 --> 00:55:23.460 annetteosher: It was just by letting him talk, you know, for an hour I hadn't even examined him it's like but you know, it was a I was it was one of the most amazing cases ever for me.
00:55:23.820 --> 00:55:27.180 annetteosher: Well, and also a reward you know.
00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:41.400 annetteosher: i've kind of helping him or understanding and what and what had had he been through it was it was incredible it was just amazing how come, no one had taken the time you know in New York in New York, this is a.
00:55:42.060 --> 00:55:53.160 annetteosher: If he was only 29 at that, a few years ago, he was a child, you know, anyway, I just, I just wanted to just tell you about one case that really moved me.
00:55:53.550 --> 00:56:00.030 Albert Dabah: yeah yeah well, it sounds like you know letting the person talk and who's going around with you know.
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:16.110 Albert Dabah: An issue for years and years and can't get the right treatment and the treatment that he's getting is not working, it has to be extremely frustrating so to be able to come to you and talk about it, and then you saying wait a second, this is this doesn't make sense.
00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:20.970 Albert Dabah: I I you know you hear about different cases like that, and I think.
00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:40.620 Albert Dabah: Again it's that sense of really looking at that person of who they are, and letting them talk and you know, having that compassion and understanding for think logically and say, this is not filled the mold that you're seeing something is wrong here, and the fact that.
00:56:41.790 --> 00:56:43.380 Albert Dabah: You know, you were able to.
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.000 annetteosher: and also the mind and body are very connected.
00:56:48.120 --> 00:56:50.910 annetteosher: yeah very connected you see it all the time.
00:56:52.350 --> 00:56:55.410 Albert Dabah: Oh, I totally believe that yeah yeah I think that.
00:56:57.120 --> 00:57:09.600 Albert Dabah: You know our moods can affect our body in a tremendous way in a good way in a bad way in a positive and negative way depending on you know where you're at and who you, you know what what you're about and.
00:57:10.650 --> 00:57:13.530 Albert Dabah: that's why I believe in when you know you're.
00:57:14.970 --> 00:57:22.500 Albert Dabah: Dealing with an emotional issue and it is important to deal with it, I mean it's important to deal with it on a.
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:34.410 Albert Dabah: level that you're really dealing with it my whether we're seeing a doctor or therapist or whatever it is, because it can get worse if you don't it can affect your body in so many ways, so.
00:57:35.850 --> 00:57:48.060 Albert Dabah: we're coming to the end of the hour and I just want to say thank you for being on the show tonight um if there's anything else, I think you let people know how to reach you, which is great.
00:57:50.520 --> 00:57:59.160 Albert Dabah: i'll just say at the end now, if anyone wants to watch extra innings we're now on peacock are on other platforms we're also on.
00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:07.020 Albert Dabah: SMB movies calm, which is a website, we created ourselves where.
00:58:08.190 --> 00:58:22.530 Albert Dabah: People can buy the movie and a percentage of the cost of the movie goes to save the Suicide Prevention agency that became our fiscal sponsor for the film extra innings so.
00:58:24.270 --> 00:58:26.820 Albert Dabah: Thank you for being a guest tonight and that.
00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:34.860 Albert Dabah: and looking forward to good things to come and.
00:58:35.970 --> 00:58:43.350 Albert Dabah: we'll be here again next week and have a very good evening, thank you, thank you take care bye bye.