Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, September 1, 2022
Facebook Live Video from 2022/09/01 - Justice for Life Itself

Facebook Live Video from 2022/09/01 - Justice for Life Itself


2022/09/01 - Justice for Life Itself

[NEW EPISODE] Justice for Life Itself

The audience will learn about ancient principles that promote self-knowledge, the foundation of meaningful equity work. Listeners will gain insight and tools for engaging in the spiritual work required to dismantle systematic oppression.


Race is a social construct. To challenge it, we need to study the ways in which it has impacted our lives as well as develop the capacity to interrupt its effects internally and systemically. The current form of the construct of race is at best 500-600 years old, while our humanity is several hundreds of thousands, even millions of years old, and therefore it is a relatively newer extension of the shadow aspect of the self. ⁣ ⁣

Our host Rev. Dr. TLC welcomes the founder of LifeGuardian Worldwide, Courtlandt Butts. LifeGuardian's approach to JEDI (Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion) work is based on ancient (minimum 6000 years BCE) Kemetic concepts that include three main pillars; Know Thyself; Be obsessed with distinguishing knowledge from foolishness; to Build for Eternity. 

Rev. Dr. TLC and Courtlandt will discuss the benefits of using a spiritual, primordial approach when entering justice work.


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Show Notes

Segment 1

Rev. Dr. TLC kicks off the show with a guided meditation. She invites her listeners to partake in an exercise where they look in the mirror and look at themselves. Rev. Dr. TLC asks what do you see? To heal, we must take a deep look at ourselves. She introduces her guest Courtlandt Butts. Rev. Dr. TLC shares his background and accolades before welcoming him on the show. Courtlandt talks about his experience in spiritual work with Rev. Dr. TLC.

Segment 2

In Rev Dr. TLC's book, Dismantling Racism, she writes about learning your purpose. She asks Courtandt to speak on his experience in finding his purpose. Cortlandt shares that he was at a crossroads when he would give his speeches at school. He wasn't able to discuss his spiritual side, which was such a huge part of his journey. Courtlandt says he was able to flourish when he gave himself permission to fully embrace his spirituality. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Courtlandt what his experience was in holding workshops that focused on spirituality. She also points out that in order to do the work around racial equity, we must fully commit ourselves.

Segment 3

Rev. Dr. TLC and Courtlandt continue to discuss the importance of knowing yourself. Courtland speaks on an exercise that he practices with his colleagues where you are stripped from social constructs. He finds that they tend to struggle with this exercise. Courtlandt also adds that people who do work on racial equity can weaponize the tools that they've learned. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Courtlandt if the ill intent comes from a conscious place. Courtandlt says it's how much you know your inner self before learning the tools for dismantling racism.

Segment 4

Courtandlt does executive coaching, where he trains people who are already immersed in the work of dismantling racism. He is there to guide them and help them dive deeper into themselves. Courtandlt says the world's major problems are apathy, selfishness, and greed. In order to solve those problems, the world will need a cultural and spiritual revolution. LifeGuardian can begin the steps in fixing the problem with their unique approach to JEDI.


00:00:33.220 --> 00:00:51.319 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hello, and welcome to the dismantle Racism show. I'm. Your host, the river Dr. Tlc. Our goal on the show is to uncover dismantle and eradicate racism. We really really do want to encourage a world where racial equity is the norm.

00:00:51.330 --> 00:01:03.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to begin our show today as always by inviting you to center yourself to ground yourself, and let us find ways to tap into our sacred intelligence. If you would please

00:01:04.050 --> 00:01:08.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you're not driving. I invite you to close your eyes,

00:01:09.140 --> 00:01:18.889 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I invite you to find that centering spot where you can breathe in and out naturally

00:01:19.260 --> 00:01:23.709 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect your feet to the floor or to the ground,

00:01:24.410 --> 00:01:28.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect to your chair,

00:01:29.260 --> 00:01:31.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: find your foundation,

00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then focus on your breath,

00:01:35.950 --> 00:01:39.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: taking a deep breath in and out,

00:01:40.530 --> 00:01:43.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that your breath

00:01:43.270 --> 00:01:45.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is life itself.

00:01:46.600 --> 00:01:50.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That breath is your divine wisdom.

00:01:50.710 --> 00:01:54.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breath is your sacred beam.

00:01:55.290 --> 00:01:58.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breath is where you can connect with that

00:01:58.890 --> 00:02:03.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which causes you to be your greatest self,

00:02:04.240 --> 00:02:06.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: while simultaneously

00:02:06.690 --> 00:02:10.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: embracing their greatness, and others

00:02:12.350 --> 00:02:15.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out,

00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:18.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing your power,

00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:24.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that everything that you need,

00:02:24.190 --> 00:02:26.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you came here with

00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:34.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so breathe in and out, recognizing that whatever your heart's desire

00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly around racial equity,

00:02:39.130 --> 00:02:41.819 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you are able to achieve it.

00:02:42.940 --> 00:02:44.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Connect with yourself,

00:02:46.490 --> 00:02:49.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect with the essence of who you are

00:02:52.440 --> 00:02:57.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connect with your sacred intelligence.

00:02:59.060 --> 00:03:02.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out,

00:03:04.570 --> 00:03:07.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing again who you are,

00:03:09.370 --> 00:03:10.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who are you?

00:03:12.610 --> 00:03:14.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who are you

00:03:18.860 --> 00:03:20.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in

00:03:21.260 --> 00:03:22.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out,

00:03:24.390 --> 00:03:28.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power that lies within you

00:03:28.710 --> 00:03:30.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is the power of one

00:03:31.450 --> 00:03:34.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that contributes to the power of many,

00:03:35.790 --> 00:03:38.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you have the ability

00:03:38.250 --> 00:03:40.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to change the status quo.

00:03:42.700 --> 00:03:45.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We then and out,

00:03:45.660 --> 00:03:49.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that you are love itself,

00:03:50.150 --> 00:03:52.719 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that you are loved,

00:03:54.810 --> 00:03:57.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: bring the in and out,

00:03:58.540 --> 00:03:59.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting

00:04:01.940 --> 00:04:04.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with the greater community

00:04:04.630 --> 00:04:06.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the greater world,

00:04:07.710 --> 00:04:10.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sending loving vibrations

00:04:11.170 --> 00:04:13.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: out into the universe,

00:04:15.200 --> 00:04:17.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and calling back to you

00:04:18.610 --> 00:04:22.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: all that is good and sacred

00:04:22.710 --> 00:04:24.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and powerful.

00:04:26.790 --> 00:04:28.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in,

00:04:28.690 --> 00:04:30.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe out,

00:04:31.490 --> 00:04:33.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe it again,

00:04:33.830 --> 00:04:35.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sigh it out

00:04:36.050 --> 00:04:37.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and let's begin.

00:04:41.730 --> 00:04:43.879 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They open your eyes,

00:04:46.100 --> 00:04:52.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to invite you to engage in an exercise that I often do when i'm doing trainings,

00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:56.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and that is to have you to look in the mirror at yourself.

00:04:56.900 --> 00:05:00.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I mean really look in the mirror at yourself.

00:05:00.780 --> 00:05:09.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Most people don't like to, because when we look in the mirror, we instantly think about our flaws. We begin to criticize ourselves,

00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.730 but I think it's important to look in the mirror

00:05:13.790 --> 00:05:15.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and ask yourself.

00:05:15.690 --> 00:05:17.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who do you see?

00:05:18.130 --> 00:05:19.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What do you see

00:05:19.780 --> 00:05:23.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and what stories do you make up about yourself?

00:05:24.650 --> 00:05:29.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How do you judge yourself, and how do you show up in the world.

00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:36.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Then I want to invite you to do the same. When you look at the people you encounter

00:05:36.210 --> 00:05:38.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when you look at me, who Do you see?

00:05:39.290 --> 00:05:41.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What stories do you make up?

00:05:41.870 --> 00:05:43.819 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Who am I?

00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:54.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Most assuredly you make your observations, and you make your guesses about who I am by the color of my scan

00:05:55.200 --> 00:06:02.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: by the gender that you believe me to be. Perhaps, by the way, I wear my hair, or the clothing that I wear,

00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or because you hear me talk about dismantling racism all the time.

00:06:09.140 --> 00:06:12.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It gives you an idea of who I am.

00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Then believe it or not, you begin to make up the other stories

00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just like you do about yourself,

00:06:22.700 --> 00:06:27.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because the world has helped us to define

00:06:27.170 --> 00:06:29.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who we believe ourselves to be

00:06:29.760 --> 00:06:34.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly racially. But race is the social construct,

00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we'll be talking a bit about that today.

00:06:38.390 --> 00:06:40.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: How race is made up.

00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But we'll be talking about the importance

00:06:44.630 --> 00:06:48.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of knowing who we are.

00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:57.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In my book on Dismantling Racism. The subtitle is healing racial separation from the inside out.

00:06:57.500 --> 00:07:04.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We cannot heal unless we take a deep, long, hard look at ourselves,

00:07:04.650 --> 00:07:13.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my guest today, though we'll be talking more about No, by itself, and particularly from a spiritual place.

00:07:13.210 --> 00:07:30.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so our show today is justice for life, and I'm really really excited today to have my guest Portland. But he is a lifetime educator and an advocate for equity and social change.

00:07:30.150 --> 00:07:43.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: He's consulted, trained, and educated, c-suite, executives, school systems, faith-based organizations and municipal entities domestically and internationally,

00:07:45.330 --> 00:07:49.109 Courtlandt Butts: one of the things that I love about him the most, though,

00:07:49.120 --> 00:08:02.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is that he is a dear friend. In fact, many years ago we worked together, and he was one of the people who trained me in the work that we were doing at the time

00:08:02.990 --> 00:08:28.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on racial equity and courageous conversations. The two of us have come a long way since those days, but he will forever be my friend. He will forever be a a mentor and a colleague to me, because he is so grounded in who he is. He is so grounded in the work that he does, and he has seen a way of

00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: embracing that work in all aspects of his life.

00:08:34.070 --> 00:08:52.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Cortland works with life guardian worldwide, and he's going to talk a bit about lifeguarding in world but worldwide. Excuse me, their work is around justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion.

00:08:52.230 --> 00:08:54.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Cortland is a diver

00:08:54.410 --> 00:09:11.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: much more than a diver, which he will explain about as well, and I can't wait for him to talk about some of his discoveries as a diver as well. And so I want to welcome to the show today, my friend,

00:09:11.460 --> 00:09:26.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my colleague, Trainer extraordinaire. This man is so so deep when he guides you in racial equity. Cortland Butts. Welcome, Welcome, welcome to the show today,

00:09:26.810 --> 00:09:35.539 Courtlandt Butts: the terribly Avery. Thank you very much. I sure greatly appreciate that intro, my old friend.

00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:42.359 Courtlandt Butts: It was really heartfelt um, and every word they came out of your mouth

00:09:42.410 --> 00:09:56.010 Courtlandt Butts: reminded me of the precious times that we spend together. Ah! Trying to prepare a session to move people from one space and their consciousness to another

00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:57.400 Courtlandt Butts: shell.

00:09:57.450 --> 00:09:59.200 Courtlandt Butts: The way that we

00:09:59.310 --> 00:10:07.720 Courtlandt Butts: built each other up in our spirits to get there and then offer that which we built to the group

00:10:08.070 --> 00:10:13.489 Courtlandt Butts: felt so good to do that gig to do their giving with you. I really appreciate that. Yeah,

00:10:13.500 --> 00:10:35.870 Courtlandt Butts: thank you. So let's get down to the spirit work, because this work that we do is so work. And what's interesting is when you and I began working together. Initially. We had a protocol that we followed, and we would take people through this protocol that we did together, and it was amazing, an amazing.

00:10:35.970 --> 00:10:39.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And then you and I had the opportunity

00:10:39.650 --> 00:10:41.959 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to do some spirit work together,

00:10:41.970 --> 00:10:53.290 Courtlandt Butts: because what we realized, and thankfully to the person who was putting on the conference that they allowed us to do this. This work is soul wrenching.

00:10:53.300 --> 00:10:54.450 Courtlandt Butts: Yes,

00:10:54.810 --> 00:10:56.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about that a little bit. This

00:10:56.800 --> 00:10:59.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: coming from this place of spirit to do this work.

00:11:00.430 --> 00:11:02.280 Courtlandt Butts: I um.

00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:13.789 Courtlandt Butts: I'm gonna start with my mom that i'm gonna go to you because you are like at the foundation. The two of you divine feminine.

00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:15.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: They allowed us to do that

00:11:15.910 --> 00:11:16.590 the

00:11:23.910 --> 00:11:38.620 Courtlandt Butts: um more fully, if you will. Um. So years ago, when we were first starting to work together. It was like around my first year. So now I think that's fifteen years ago

00:11:38.730 --> 00:11:42.340 Courtlandt Butts: I was trying to describe to my mom what I did for work.

00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:48.689 Courtlandt Butts: My mom is clear about doctor, teacher, lawyer, you know,

00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:54.710 Courtlandt Butts: but at that time trying to describe anti-racism leadership

00:11:54.820 --> 00:12:02.700 Courtlandt Butts: you know and she was like, So you know. What are you doing? Who are you teaching? So i'm trying to make sense of that.

00:12:03.030 --> 00:12:08.920 Courtlandt Butts: And I told her about one of these things that we had to do, which was, describe the

00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:15.339 Courtlandt Butts: the the first time that race came into our consciousness or met anything about us, and she remembered

00:12:15.420 --> 00:12:16.580 Courtlandt Butts: Um,

00:12:16.820 --> 00:12:19.500 Courtlandt Butts: That which I describe vividly,

00:12:24.700 --> 00:12:27.410 Courtlandt Butts: and what she shared was.

00:12:27.740 --> 00:12:30.300 Courtlandt Butts: There was a time where

00:12:30.630 --> 00:12:38.530 Courtlandt Butts: you know. Apparently I had done something else called go bad that day, and I think I was three years old.

00:12:38.940 --> 00:12:44.979 Courtlandt Butts: My brother, my younger brothers, is lighter skin. He's in his cream,

00:12:45.230 --> 00:12:53.640 Courtlandt Butts: and she told me, she said, Do you remember having some brown shoe polish. And you painting your younger brother Brown,

00:12:53.780 --> 00:12:56.449 Courtlandt Butts: she said. I walked into the room,

00:12:56.530 --> 00:13:05.460 Courtlandt Butts: and here I am, covered with brown shoe polish. My brother's face is colored with brown shoe polished, and I said, Now he's my brother,

00:13:05.520 --> 00:13:12.290 Courtlandt Butts: you know, like i'm excited, and i'm happy because he looks like me now it's.

00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:27.489 Courtlandt Butts: And I said, she said, I said, Yeah, I do remember that because I was over at Tommy's house for a couple of days after that she said, Yeah, I said, I thought I was going to sleep over. She said. No, I had to put it because you were too busy, you know, being a

00:13:27.500 --> 00:13:34.119 Courtlandt Butts: right. Oh, that's what you're doing. I said. So. I said so. Yeah. So we we talk about how

00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:49.120 Courtlandt Butts: um races impacted us in different ways, and and she said, Who you? Who's your audience? And I told her she said, Oh, my goodness! She said, I don't know if a lot of people want to hear about that. You have to push us through some things, and then

00:13:51.060 --> 00:13:59.219 Courtlandt Butts: it hit her. She said. I'm clear about the work that you do, she said. It's in the Scripture,

00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.020 Courtlandt Butts: she said.

00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:07.129 Courtlandt Butts: You are involved in spiritual warfare. Yeah, wow,

00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:13.279 Courtlandt Butts: in the Scripture that says you are not fighting a battle of flesh and blood,

00:14:13.330 --> 00:14:16.890 Courtlandt Butts: but against dark principalities in high places.

00:14:16.900 --> 00:14:21.789 Courtlandt Butts: And she said, Now, with that fight I can help you with that.

00:14:21.800 --> 00:14:29.369 Courtlandt Butts: Okay, So to me, that was always this

00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:37.819 Courtlandt Butts: peaks that I not only had to be reminded of, but I had to be centered on. She took it a little bit further, and she even said,

00:14:38.230 --> 00:14:40.490 Courtlandt Butts: for you to fight that fight.

00:14:40.770 --> 00:14:44.089 Courtlandt Butts: Your own spirit is going to have to be in check,

00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:45.589 Courtlandt Butts: and it's all they have to right.

00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:54.550 Courtlandt Butts: Yes, So when we start talking about me, grabbing on to this language a little bit earlier around knowledge of self, it is really

00:14:54.560 --> 00:15:09.690 Courtlandt Butts: self like. What did the Most High put in me. What did the most time put in all of us? What are the gifts that I need to recognize? And how do I turn those gifts into a purpose that's called lead all of us to hire ground.

00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:10.970 Courtlandt Butts: Do so.

00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:20.689 Courtlandt Butts: That's the space from where I have facilitated, given. We had a protocol, an amazing one, that works really well,

00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:26.350 Courtlandt Butts: especially in this realm of the flesh.

00:15:26.990 --> 00:15:30.689 Courtlandt Butts: There's something deeper, so it's the both

00:15:30.700 --> 00:15:33.719 Courtlandt Butts: right that I felt like that we had to walk on

00:15:33.730 --> 00:15:41.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Portland. I you know we have to take a quick break, but I want us to continue to talk about this spiritual piece because

00:15:41.670 --> 00:15:56.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I so love that you went back to the ancestors. You went back to what your mother knew and what she had ingrained in you. Basically we are more than these bodies that we inhabit here,

00:15:56.670 --> 00:16:13.539 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that we have to go to that deeper place, and I want to talk to you when we come back about how your work began to be transformed when you went to that deeper place, and it was no longer a protocol that you were

00:16:13.820 --> 00:16:26.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: efficient with giving how your work might have changed. We're going to be right back with my guest today, courtroom. But this is the dismantle Racism show. I'm your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. We'll be right back.

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00:18:41.750 --> 00:19:00.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today at Courtland, but it's courtly before the break. We were talking about this spiritual component of doing the work of racial equity. And in my book I actually start out. I have three pillars that I talk about in my book on dismantling racism. It is about knowing your why.

00:19:00.860 --> 00:19:18.189 Courtlandt Butts: And I call that our sacred motive. Why are we doing this work? Because so many people are doing it? Um as a performative measure. Right? You know we're out here saying, i'm doing this because what i'm supposed to do, or some people

00:19:18.210 --> 00:19:33.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are really wanting to make this world a better place, but they're still not going deep enough. So talk to me about how things changed for you, even as a presenter when you decided to embrace what your mother

00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:35.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: share it with you,

00:19:35.770 --> 00:19:39.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and really tapped into who you are and your soul's purpose.

00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:42.469 Courtlandt Butts: Why, I am.

00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.039 Courtlandt Butts: I feel like

00:19:48.830 --> 00:19:57.220 Courtlandt Butts: it had always been there, so it wasn't necessarily something that I needed to decide to do.

00:19:57.820 --> 00:20:03.690 Courtlandt Butts: It was there. I just needed to give myself permission to bring it into the space,

00:20:04.570 --> 00:20:17.870 Courtlandt Butts: and I didn't necessarily know if I had it, because at that time, if you remember most of the time, we were sent into schools to do this work, and there was this real strong.

00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.230 Courtlandt Butts: You know, peace that said, You know we want to separate religion and statement,

00:20:23.340 --> 00:20:36.270 Courtlandt Butts: and you can't mention. Ah, religion, God spiritual, anything like that, because that's that's the law. And I remember doing in training one time.

00:20:36.610 --> 00:20:51.919 Courtlandt Butts: And this it was an elder um. She was paying attention, but she was knitting throughout the train and um! During one of the breaks I came down from the stage, and she didn't even look up, she said. I want you to know that she's doing a really good job,

00:20:52.220 --> 00:20:59.720 Courtlandt Butts: and and I see it. Well, thank you. I really appreciate that coming from you, an older black woman.

00:20:59.900 --> 00:21:15.609 Courtlandt Butts: And I said, you know I I met a take, and I pray not fast before I do each one of these, but I can't see that, because you know, we're in this educational space, and you know they try to take God out of everything,

00:21:15.620 --> 00:21:33.960 Courtlandt Butts: and she kept sewing, and she said, Child, ain't taking God out of the door, it's still um um doing the work, doing what you need to do. Um, and the spirit is still there. I can feel it. They gonna feel it. And you're gonna be okay. Just keep it up. So.

00:21:33.970 --> 00:21:53.819 Courtlandt Butts: Ah, it was more of this um permission to give myself to fully bring that piece forward, and not necessarily look at it as the way that it had been scaffolded, separated as it was something else. We are all in this one life,

00:21:53.830 --> 00:21:58.690 Courtlandt Butts: and the way that I show up in my spirit I can't take that away. It's always going to be there.

00:21:58.700 --> 00:22:01.050 Courtlandt Butts: I made sure

00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:04.599 Courtlandt Butts: that I went into a ritualistic practice of being led

00:22:04.610 --> 00:22:24.600 Courtlandt Butts: by then, as I went into different spaces, and even with that bring your full self into it. It also gives other people permission to bring their full selves into the situation, because I can remember the same thing when we would be in these school settings. But you would

00:22:24.610 --> 00:22:42.509 Courtlandt Butts: No, the views meaning us as the presenter. We would also know the people who were in the room, who completely relied on their spiritual guide to get through the day today, and it didn't matter in terms of color. And I remember for me

00:22:42.520 --> 00:22:50.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I was in Divinity school, so I actually found ways to be able to use language

00:22:50.700 --> 00:23:08.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that brought in the best of who I am, and it also allowed other people to be able to express themselves, as I was saying before. But you know Cortland um talked to me about. Well, before we talk a little bit about life. Guardian.

00:23:09.090 --> 00:23:25.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There was something, though, that happened when we did begin to focus on workshops where we would offer a workshop. I did it once with you, and then, after I left the company, you began to do it yourself

00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:40.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to me about what would happen, though, when you did a workshop where people fully engaged with where it wasn't something that needed to be hit. And it's like come to this because we're going to deal with the soul work

00:23:40.390 --> 00:23:41.290 Courtlandt Butts: all right.

00:23:41.300 --> 00:23:44.139 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What did you notice about the participants?

00:23:44.150 --> 00:23:53.989 Courtlandt Butts: Oh, I I got to tell you first. Thank you, because you're the one Dr. T. That taught me

00:23:54.390 --> 00:23:58.160 Courtlandt Butts: that sacred meditation from the beginning,

00:23:58.870 --> 00:24:17.299 Courtlandt Butts: and I've been using it. I put a little bit of a different spin on it since then, but not much. I would always give you credit and say, this is this is one of the piece that came from one of my sisters early on in the work, and I got to tell you. Um, having folks sit still long enough,

00:24:17.310 --> 00:24:19.019 Meditate long enough,

00:24:19.610 --> 00:24:20.850 Courtlandt Butts: two

00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:22.709 Courtlandt Butts: focus on your breath,

00:24:23.740 --> 00:24:27.739 Courtlandt Butts: and then guiding them through a practice that said,

00:24:28.060 --> 00:24:39.149 Courtlandt Butts: that says there is something inside of you that's constantly talking to you, and and i'm not using the correct word when I say inside, because spirit digest is

00:24:39.330 --> 00:24:46.029 Courtlandt Butts: uh, it goes through multi-dimensions and realms. But you need to listen to yourself

00:24:46.040 --> 00:24:50.310 Courtlandt Butts: and there's a sacred part of yourself.

00:24:51.370 --> 00:24:53.520 Courtlandt Butts: You need to pay attention to.

00:24:53.530 --> 00:25:04.770 Courtlandt Butts: And what goes on is many of the voices that our minds are carrying are from the different institutions of socialization, trying to tell you

00:25:05.510 --> 00:25:20.529 Courtlandt Butts: and what you are. But there's another part. There's you period that just says, No, i'm clear about who I am. We just need to get to a practice around clearing this other stuff and this other smoke out of the way,

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:32.339 Courtlandt Butts: That message. And so the meditation that you taught me allowed folks to sit still long enough to hear that, and I distinctly remember it. I've had this experience. Over and over again.

00:25:32.430 --> 00:25:45.710 Courtlandt Butts: We asked folks to go ahead and trust themselves while while they were in that space, and we said, You know it was the I am pizza we inhale on, I am, and then we just exhale,

00:25:45.740 --> 00:25:58.140 Courtlandt Butts: and after we do that several times we inhale on. I am. But when we exhale, we tell folks to pay attention. There's a word that's going to come, and it just for you. And when it came

00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:08.139 Courtlandt Butts: and we came out of the meditation we had supposed to turn around and speak to what word came to you. There was so many people

00:26:08.310 --> 00:26:13.259 Courtlandt Butts: that were saying things like the word that came to me was enough.

00:26:14.450 --> 00:26:19.040 Courtlandt Butts: The learned that came to me was strong.

00:26:19.220 --> 00:26:22.490 Courtlandt Butts: The word that came to me was

00:26:23.520 --> 00:26:35.169 Courtlandt Butts: present. Word that came to me was my mom's name. Who's not here with what what things were coming, and it was just what folks needed to hear.

00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:39.760 Courtlandt Butts: You know I I recently did this session with with some young people

00:26:40.070 --> 00:26:42.310 Courtlandt Butts: so early twenties,

00:26:42.850 --> 00:26:56.000 Courtlandt Butts: and you know this one person. She just broke down and start crying, and she said the word that came was, You know what you're You're right. And she said, because the way that I am.

00:26:56.260 --> 00:27:00.940 Courtlandt Butts: I have so many people in society that keeps telling me that i'm not. Okay.

00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:08.289 Courtlandt Butts: And i'm not all right, that it's not okay for me to be here, but there was something else trying to tell me which was me

00:27:09.060 --> 00:27:13.580 Courtlandt Butts: right, and so to go into that practice to weed out

00:27:13.850 --> 00:27:20.979 Courtlandt Butts: all of the other voices. But to really center on yourself there's a listening. There's a sacredness that goes that I think,

00:27:21.070 --> 00:27:37.790 Courtlandt Butts: can practice, and that's where the deeper part of knowing that self is coming from. So I was shared with folks. I remember it was this really good friend of mine, white woman, practitioner and de I work.

00:27:37.800 --> 00:27:50.859 Courtlandt Butts: She told me, she said. I didn't even know that part of myself existed until we did this, and she she's older than me at the time, so I didn't even know I had access to that part of myself.

00:27:51.290 --> 00:27:56.489 Courtlandt Butts: Thank you, you know, and that was a reoccurring thing year after year,

00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:59.089 Courtlandt Butts: and of course you know those sessions filled up.

00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:13.390 Courtlandt Butts: Yes, they all agree that it was plus plus plus plus all of that stuff. You need to do this from the beginning instead of at the end. It was, and I was like, I think we're on the something.

00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:13.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's it's,

00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:20.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know what's really amazing is because this piece of knowing ourselves and bringing ourselves fully

00:28:20.420 --> 00:28:37.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: into what we do is so important. I know that I do this work because i'm rounded in the spirit part of me, the psychology part of me, the all the things that make me cool I am, and sometimes, and this is really important for people

00:28:37.260 --> 00:28:55.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to hear. Sometimes we try to leave out pieces of ourselves in the work that we do out in the world, and we just cannot do it, and there's no way of doing this work around racial equity without bringing all of yourself into it,

00:28:55.100 --> 00:29:01.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly the spirit piece, because there are days when this stuff gets really really hard

00:29:01.910 --> 00:29:08.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you better know thyself. So we have to take another break. But when we come back we

00:29:08.830 --> 00:29:38.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you've been using this phrase no myself, and it's a part of the Life guardian approach to justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion. So when we come back, I want you to talk a little bit about life. Guardian what it is, what the principles are, so that our audience can know just how deep no fun intended. When I think about the deep diving that you do. Ah, just how deep this work goes for you, and how it shows up in the world. So

00:29:38.100 --> 00:29:44.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we'll be right back with my guest today. Cortland Butts. This is the dismantle racism show

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00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:50.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are back with my guests today. Courtlyn Butts courtly

00:31:50.360 --> 00:31:55.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk to me about life. Guardian. What is it? What you do?

00:31:56.600 --> 00:31:58.600 Courtlandt Butts: I want to? Um.

00:31:58.870 --> 00:32:04.999 Courtlandt Butts: I'm a pickup from when we left off before the break, and then i'll that'll lead me into it.

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:10.089 Courtlandt Butts: One of the reasons why I felt like it was so important for us to know ourselves,

00:32:10.100 --> 00:32:15.989 Courtlandt Butts: because a lot of my colleagues, practitioners and

00:32:16.050 --> 00:32:17.390 Courtlandt Butts: um

00:32:17.650 --> 00:32:21.689 Courtlandt Butts: equity, diversity and inclusion, justice work in general.

00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.610 Courtlandt Butts: They would

00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:38.900 Courtlandt Butts: have an identity centered and built around who they are in terms of being racial equity leaders. For example, I get that we need it. Yes, all right.

00:32:39.100 --> 00:32:43.949 Courtlandt Butts: I started to do this exercise that took away.

00:32:45.130 --> 00:32:55.449 Courtlandt Butts: Other social constructs layered upon our humanity. So i'm not going to go through the whole exercise right now. But I will tell folks I want you to meet each other.

00:32:55.520 --> 00:33:08.180 Courtlandt Butts: Um! But you can't tell anybody. You can't mention any titles, personal or professional. You can't mention anything that indicates your level of income

00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:18.660 Courtlandt Butts: or education. You can't talk about anything that you do, you, that you ride a bike. You read books, I said. Now tell people who you are. Now these same

00:33:19.370 --> 00:33:22.790 Courtlandt Butts: practitioners, strong ones in racial equity.

00:33:22.850 --> 00:33:42.270 Courtlandt Butts: Um! They have literally studied the social construct of rates more than they've studied, and they know themselves and the part of themselves that they do know is a deeper part of the social construct with it. But I just ask you about taking all that stuff away. Who are you and a lot of my colleagues struggle?

00:33:42.280 --> 00:33:51.379 Courtlandt Butts: They They could not come up with a list. They could not come up with a study, and I, and that's when it struck me

00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:52.500 Courtlandt Butts: there.

00:33:52.560 --> 00:34:00.989 Courtlandt Butts: I started to see folks that use that protocol that you and I used to use that we talked about before,

00:34:01.370 --> 00:34:04.890 Courtlandt Butts: but they literally weaponized it against other people,

00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:10.239 Courtlandt Butts: because they learned the language of the protocol better than the other person did.

00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:13.969 Courtlandt Butts: And so at that point it struck me, I said, Well,

00:34:14.070 --> 00:34:17.860 Courtlandt Butts: what good is a protocol without the soul that wields it?

00:34:18.040 --> 00:34:22.740 Courtlandt Butts: The soul that wields It is not an alignment

00:34:22.870 --> 00:34:33.950 Courtlandt Butts: with improving the human condition, and that same soul is going to turn around and use these tools for racial equity to tear it back down again

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.430 Courtlandt Butts: Under the guise of this is a good tool for racial equity.

00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:41.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. I'm just telling. We don't have to rewind that.

00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:43.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, we're listening to this.

00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.839 Courtlandt Butts: That's what we have.

00:34:44.850 --> 00:34:46.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That was deep. What you just said

00:34:47.330 --> 00:34:49.790 Courtlandt Butts: absolutely deep

00:34:49.870 --> 00:34:53.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to think about, and particularly for folks who do this work.

00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:54.389 Courtlandt Butts: Hmm.

00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.789 Courtlandt Butts: Weaponizing the tools that you use. Whoa!

00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.779 Courtlandt Butts: And I've seen it happen over and over again. What ends up happening

00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.859 Courtlandt Butts: in our human experience? We

00:35:06.200 --> 00:35:12.820 Courtlandt Butts: cannot do anything without language and context this and so the

00:35:13.310 --> 00:35:26.430 Courtlandt Butts: powerful words themselves and the tools. And in the protocols that we use, we still have to convey some sort of way in terms of language, and create a context for it. But again,

00:35:26.660 --> 00:35:30.289 Courtlandt Butts: I've seen people master the language,

00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:40.409 Courtlandt Butts: and at the same time having ill intent still behind the mastery of the language of that protocol and tool.

00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:45.539 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you think they're conscious of that? Because you just said they have an ill intent,

00:35:46.060 --> 00:35:50.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So are they. Are you saying that they purposely.

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:52.279 Courtlandt Butts: I think

00:35:53.270 --> 00:35:54.990 Courtlandt Butts: many folks,

00:35:58.700 --> 00:36:01.979 Courtlandt Butts: I think many folks are.

00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.979 Courtlandt Butts: It's a both hand.

00:36:06.670 --> 00:36:16.319 Courtlandt Butts: It's rarely in a human condition or experience, or is anything, and either or it's the both hand. So what I would say is this:

00:36:18.250 --> 00:36:30.269 Courtlandt Butts: I've seen folks turn around and say, All right, Well, let's go ahead and have this conversation. I'm ready. Let's use the protocols that we were talking to this training. They're not realizing

00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:37.490 Courtlandt Butts: that there's a being. And i'm gonna get into this a little bit later that's really leading that conversation,

00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:42.699 Courtlandt Butts: and it's using a tool. And right now i'm showing up like this. Come on, let's go.

00:36:43.240 --> 00:36:59.749 Courtlandt Butts: So my being is one of being confrontational, so confrontational. If I personalize. Or, again, if I personalize the being of confrontational and and look at it as a personality

00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:11.490 Courtlandt Butts: then confrontational is now taking that protocol and trying to have the conversation instead of if you told me you know what at the core of my being

00:37:12.540 --> 00:37:15.619 Courtlandt Butts: I am loving. I am open-minded.

00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.769 Courtlandt Butts: I am hope

00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:27.190 Courtlandt Butts: I would rather for loving open-minded and hopeful to take that protocol, and have the conversation then confrontational

00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:34.390 Courtlandt Butts: so again this goes back to. How much are you paying attention to your soul before you pick up the tool?

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:50.589 Courtlandt Butts: Yes, yes, yes, I love it. I I I love what you're saying, because you're actually reminding me, even as you're speaking for when i'm thinking about those many years ago where we began with that protocol,

00:37:50.600 --> 00:37:54.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I remember how I used to show up in the beginning,

00:37:55.530 --> 00:38:08.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because now I no longer show up in that in that place, and I teach from a place I begin even now. I don't care if it's business people, or who i'm talking to. I always say I am love.

00:38:08.030 --> 00:38:26.230 Courtlandt Butts: I come from that place. So talk to us more than about then this, this, and again to your point. So a lot of my colleagues will show up with the being of. You know what they they going? They're going to dismantle racism. They're going to attack the enemy,

00:38:26.810 --> 00:38:37.259 Courtlandt Butts: you know I can show up really aggressive in that space, so I can show up like I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna do to you what you've been doing to us. But that's the energy that's actually leading

00:38:37.270 --> 00:38:48.289 Courtlandt Butts: the protocol, which is actually not the protocol, but the conversation that's going to keep us trapped in the realm that we're actually trying to get rid of escape in the first place.

00:38:48.300 --> 00:39:06.689 Courtlandt Butts: But again, the the trick is, we're using the same tools to do it. So that's why we end up being trapped in state. So I said all that to say that there was another brother. I had to give him some honor and credit, named David Davidson, very good friend of mine who brought in some

00:39:06.830 --> 00:39:21.090 Courtlandt Butts: ancient comedic principles, and we started talking about ancient comedic principles. You're just talking about a study of an African body of knowledge that was around six thousand years

00:39:21.100 --> 00:39:37.890 Courtlandt Butts: for many of the ancient texts that we study right now, and it's just a replication from what I've seen over and over again of so many professional development pieces that we're looking at. But the deeper thing is,

00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:51.180 Courtlandt Butts: it's really a study of nature itself, and I mean, i'm leading all this to get up into, to get into life guardian, worldwide. So there are three things.

00:39:51.560 --> 00:40:11.490 Courtlandt Butts: Ah, three principles in that space one is no less self. It's. It's written on walls around the world thousands of years ago, years old. The other one is. The work is to be obsessed with distinguishing knowledge from foolishness, and distinguishing truth from falsehood.

00:40:11.500 --> 00:40:17.749 Courtlandt Butts: All right, that's our work. We we constantly it's hearing things apart,

00:40:17.780 --> 00:40:29.190 Courtlandt Butts: and try to write on what's true and what's false and what's being presented to us. And then the third piece is, the work is a centered around building for eternity.

00:40:29.350 --> 00:40:34.019 Courtlandt Butts: David Davidson actually introduced that piece to

00:40:34.070 --> 00:40:50.140 Courtlandt Butts: um. The company for which you and I worked at the time We built some pieces there, but the more I started to look at it the more I was like. You know what the protocol that we use right now is still built on that. So if you think about some of those

00:40:50.150 --> 00:40:57.589 Courtlandt Butts: that I can see all of those frames going going, going going through. I started thinking about different

00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:05.789 Courtlandt Butts: professional development models that we've learned that I taught to others, and they still kind of follow that path.

00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.599 Courtlandt Butts: Then I started thinking about Nature itself. Nature is

00:41:09.910 --> 00:41:19.130 Courtlandt Butts: modeling for us. The seed is, Know thyself that sea knows its Dna. It knows what it's built for.

00:41:20.080 --> 00:41:23.950 Courtlandt Butts: It's already there. It's already in its and it's earliest for

00:41:24.180 --> 00:41:32.389 Courtlandt Butts: distinguishing knowledge from foolishness is that struggle that the sea goes through when it's planted in the deepest part of the darkness,

00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:49.390 Courtlandt Butts: but it still pulls nutrients in the darkness it still pulls water, so it's pulling truth, and it's fighting this way through darkness. When it gets to the point where it can handle more light because it's more mature. Now it reaches up,

00:41:49.400 --> 00:42:02.009 Courtlandt Butts: it builds for eternity by creating another scene, so that they can go through the process too. So all we've literally done, even in those frames. Right there

00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:19.810 Courtlandt Butts: codify the way that nature is working. In the first place, which is, some folks call it a biomimicry. Another one of my teacher, teachers who I call my teachers calls it creation-supported social logic.

00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:37.689 Courtlandt Butts: So basically what he's pointing out is look at the patterns of nature over and over again to help us heal. Um, our social systems all right. So so I say all it had to say. They had gone through and taken through, knowing that self

00:42:37.700 --> 00:42:42.020 Courtlandt Butts: distinguishing knowledge from foolishness building for eternity

00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:45.259 Courtlandt Butts: any training that I write, anything that we give it?

00:42:45.300 --> 00:43:05.119 Courtlandt Butts: I'm building on those three principles, and i'm building context around. What does that look like in the work that I'm being asked to do whether it's with law enforcement whether it's with higher ed non-for-profits. I've worked I've had the opportunity, but less with the experience at my previous job

00:43:05.130 --> 00:43:20.140 Courtlandt Butts: to be put into multiple sectors such that to this day there is no sector right now. I'm pretty sure about that, if you tell me what the sector is. I know what the racial disparity is. I know what the metric is in that

00:43:20.160 --> 00:43:23.889 Courtlandt Butts: only because I've had to tap into it over and over again.

00:43:23.900 --> 00:43:25.959 Courtlandt Butts: So with that said,

00:43:26.590 --> 00:43:27.790 Courtlandt Butts: Um,

00:43:27.990 --> 00:43:39.720 Courtlandt Butts: um! That is my so Ah, path to justice, the path for our humanity. As you mentioned a little bit earlier,

00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:44.040 Courtlandt Butts: I had always kept one ring dipped in the water

00:43:44.200 --> 00:43:48.590 Courtlandt Butts: in terms of aquatics, just in case the academic world didn't work out.

00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:53.589 Courtlandt Butts: So what I ended up doing was

00:43:53.600 --> 00:44:00.159 Courtlandt Butts: um. When I was back in school I became a lifeguard instructor. I became a swim instructor

00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:06.379 Courtlandt Butts: the the person that owned the local dive shop. He was a Filipino person,

00:44:07.150 --> 00:44:22.129 Courtlandt Butts: and he named, he said, You know, if there's this narrative that black people don't swim, and he came to the college where I was the, you know. Ah, Assistant Aquatics director, and he said, not only the ah swell,

00:44:22.140 --> 00:44:35.040 Courtlandt Butts: but You're protecting other people with your skills, and it's a bunch of y'all here doing it. The reason why I met them is because they do what they call confined water.

00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:53.050 Courtlandt Butts: Ah practices confined water um work in the swimming. So so basically we have some school skills that we need to practice, and we practice them in the pool, and he said, I tell you what, if you can get a couple of your lifeguards to sign up, i'll let you take the school, but dive in class for free.

00:44:53.060 --> 00:45:10.089 Courtlandt Butts: What ended up happening was um whenever they would show up. I wouldn't charge a for an entry, and it in turn um. They taught me how to scuba diet. They They would always take me out when they had a class. I was always with the instructors, and I found that there was a

00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:15.930 Courtlandt Butts: depth. There was a connection that I had with this underwater world that just

00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:23.820 Courtlandt Butts: it really blew me away. Ever since I was a child. I knew I could swim underwater

00:45:24.270 --> 00:45:38.070 Courtlandt Butts: um because I We used to watch the show called the man from Atlantis, and there was this ah actor named Patrick Duffy, and he used to wiggle through the water while he was up. I'm like I know I could swim like that.

00:45:38.080 --> 00:45:45.599 Courtlandt Butts: I never forget my parents and I. We visited feeling because we used to live in Philly. We visited Philly, and we came to Orlando

00:45:45.700 --> 00:45:52.110 Courtlandt Butts: to see some of my dad's people, and I think at the time he went to see about a job, and we stayed at the holiday in.

00:45:52.470 --> 00:46:03.439 Courtlandt Butts: My brother and I were playing around in the shallow in, and I kept bothering my dad. I can swim there. I can go to that deep, and I I kind of the pool. And he said, Oh, yeah, and he threw me into the deep bed.

00:46:03.710 --> 00:46:08.869 Courtlandt Butts: I went up. I went under water. I suck all the way to the bottom. I looked up around.

00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:23.179 Courtlandt Butts: I said, I know what i'm gonna do, man from the labs, and I wiggle, and I went to the other side, and I came up, and I saw my

00:46:23.190 --> 00:46:31.499 Courtlandt Butts: I kept going back and forth. I used to have dreams back there. I used to have dreams that I could breathe underwater.

00:46:31.510 --> 00:46:40.330 Courtlandt Butts: Do you ever remember you ever think about? And I know this has happened to all human beings. But when we're in that lucid state

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:58.749 Courtlandt Butts: where you sleep, and you know that you're dreaming like you're conscious that you're dreaming. But you're in between, and I remember being in that lucid state I was underwater. I was breathing, and I said, I know how to do it now,

00:46:58.780 --> 00:47:08.589 Courtlandt Butts: and I said, when I wake up this time i'm going to tell my body what to do so that I can breathe underwater in the real world

00:47:08.600 --> 00:47:10.009 Courtlandt Butts: I was with. I

00:47:10.170 --> 00:47:29.890 Courtlandt Butts: I had it. I had the formula, I said. I know the signals to tell my lungs. I know what to tell my throat to do. I know what to tell these different cells like I had a list in the dream, I said. I know what to tell all of them to do, so. I can bring them the water when I wake up that I would wake up, and I would

00:47:29.950 --> 00:47:49.090 Courtlandt Butts: um. So you know Ah, Klein, we do have to take a very quick break. But I believe that that's going back to spirit that's going back to knowing by deeper selves. Right, We're able to do that. But, Carl, we're going to take a quick break and we will be right back to continue our conversation.

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00:49:46.200 --> 00:49:52.600 Courtlandt Butts: We are back with the dismantle Racism show Portland. We are

00:49:53.260 --> 00:50:13.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: quickly running out of time here and there's so I feel like there's so much more for us to talk about. Um, particularly in your work with Life Guardian. So I think we're going to have to do a part, too, because I know you've had some amazing discoveries in your digs.

00:50:13.250 --> 00:50:25.739 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Tell me a little bit just. You know, in terms of the work that you're doing with life. Guardian. How does spirit connect, and knowing yourself, connect with that work.

00:50:26.640 --> 00:50:43.580 Courtlandt Butts: Um. Well, i'll tell you that much of the work that I do right now is executive coaching train. The trainer type pieces um folks that are already deeply involved in the work. Um, but they need to go deeper. They need something to push them further.

00:50:43.590 --> 00:50:52.899 Courtlandt Butts: So where I go is i'm going to the spiritual case. There is a scientist named Gus Beth

00:50:53.320 --> 00:51:00.110 Courtlandt Butts: Gusts Beth, and it's a meme on social media. He was talking about how the

00:51:00.850 --> 00:51:11.840 Courtlandt Butts: the world's major problems are, I remember correctly, the world's major problems in terms of the planet are ecosystem collapse.

00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:13.339 Courtlandt Butts: Ah,

00:51:13.540 --> 00:51:25.429 Courtlandt Butts: warming and biodiversity loss. And he said, after thirty years of good science. I thought that we could solve those problems, he said, but I was wrong.

00:51:25.830 --> 00:51:29.240 Courtlandt Butts: The world's major problems are

00:51:29.390 --> 00:51:34.690 Courtlandt Butts: apathy, selfishness, and greed. And he said,

00:51:34.950 --> 00:51:36.129 Courtlandt Butts: to

00:51:36.380 --> 00:51:53.769 Courtlandt Butts: solve those problems. We're going to need a cultural and spiritual revolution, and we scientists, Don't, know how to do that right away, I said. You know what a life guardian we do. We know how to do that part right there.

00:51:53.780 --> 00:52:12.259 Courtlandt Butts: So with me, being a scuba diver, i'm real big on ocean conservancy, looking out for the planet and literally diving with some sort of purpose that gives back to our world and our planet. And when we started talking about

00:52:12.270 --> 00:52:26.569 Courtlandt Butts: cultural and spiritual revolutions. That happens when we understand ourselves better, and our relationship to the greater things that are connected in life, which is why a live guardian is

00:52:26.580 --> 00:52:36.269 Courtlandt Butts: regarding of protecting life itself through raising consciousness about whether I do it socially, so that we can help out with our human social systems.

00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:52.670 Courtlandt Butts: We do it because we're we're doing it for the planet that we're on. I mean, we tap into environmental justice, environmental racism. But we're all connected in this one life. So that's why it's justice for life.

00:52:52.680 --> 00:53:04.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What are you noticing? Though? When you talk about environmental justice? Just give us one example with life. Guardian. What have you discovered in that?

00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:21.720 Courtlandt Butts: Uh, well, i'll. I'll give it a real quick short when we start talking about super fun sites or places where um trash waste is dumped. Um, or we start um in near-specific communities.

00:53:21.730 --> 00:53:25.910 Courtlandt Butts: Those places typically report the

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:38.010 Courtlandt Butts: a higher level of cancer. Not not all superfund sites, but very specific ones that people have reported over and over again a lot of trash and stuff that's over there. So i'm not saying, like all

00:53:38.020 --> 00:53:50.450 Courtlandt Butts: sites like that, but the ones that aren't taking care of proper. There is this whole show, and I can't remember the name of it right now, but it literally speaks to the runoff

00:53:50.520 --> 00:54:07.030 Courtlandt Butts: from farming pigs that that whole industry. So wherever that runoff piles up, the air is really bad, the air quality is really bad, and they become cancer. Cluster sites. All right.

00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:09.790 Courtlandt Butts: Get to live there.

00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:12.439 Courtlandt Butts: Yeah, Yeah, this is.

00:54:12.550 --> 00:54:25.729 Courtlandt Butts: I know most of the time. The communities that we're talking about when we start talking about environmental justice. If there is a source of this ease for the planet,

00:54:25.740 --> 00:54:46.800 Courtlandt Butts: it is now a source of this ease for us as human beings many times. Most of the times. It's people of color that are living in those sites or living around those sites, and they don't have like a lot of voice or advocacy for folks to say somebody needs to clean this up so we can be well,

00:54:46.850 --> 00:54:49.089 Courtlandt Butts: all right. Some folks will turn around and say, Well

00:54:49.100 --> 00:55:06.190 Courtlandt Butts: judge as well they would they could, or how about you all stop dumping things in the places where they are, So that's what we've been seeing over and over again, which is why there has to be a push for environmental justice, and how it connects to racial justice.

00:55:06.200 --> 00:55:06.689 It's a

00:55:06.700 --> 00:55:25.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your work is is so powerful, and life guardian is more than just about going out and scuba diving. So tell people, how can they get in touch with you one. And then how can they learn more about what life guardian does, how they get in contact?

00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:34.629 Courtlandt Butts: What I would say is, reach out to me on Linkedin. All right. That's the best way to get and get in contact with me.

00:55:34.950 --> 00:55:41.490 Courtlandt Butts: I intentionally run an exclusive business.

00:55:41.670 --> 00:55:53.469 Courtlandt Butts: Um! You got to know somebody most of the time to get to me, and so people get to me is because they chimed in with you. For example, I had spent years,

00:55:53.680 --> 00:55:58.799 Courtlandt Butts: some spaces going out to places that need the work

00:55:59.110 --> 00:56:04.040 Courtlandt Butts: at the same time. They really didn't want to do the work, and I didn't want to

00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:17.529 Courtlandt Butts: waste my time in that space. So um now i'm very selective. If I find that our spirits are an alignment and we need to get some stuff done. I'll pray about it. We go to work.

00:56:17.580 --> 00:56:47.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. Well, Carla, I thank you for that. I thank you for bringing the spirit work into what we do, because I think it's the only way that we are going to heal the world. I want to thank you so much for being on the show today. I want to thank my listeners, of course, for chiming in week after week, and I invite you to learn more about the work that I do, going to sacred Intelligence

00:56:47.200 --> 00:57:02.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: dot com, and finding out more about the programs that I offer. Please do stay tuned on a conscious consultant hour with Sam Leaveowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy.

00:57:02.220 --> 00:57:17.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I mean today you tap into that sacred part of you that allows you to make choices that will manifest your greatness while manifesting the greatness of others. Be well, be safe. Be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now.

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