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EPISODE SUMMARY:

November 23, 2022 marked the two year  anniversary of Aidan Ellison's murder by Robert Keegan, a white man who shot him for playing his music too loud in a hotel parking lot. The murder shook some residents to the core and was/is a painful reminder of the value that some individuals place on people that are black. In the last several years, we have seen an uptick of hatred or blatant disregard towards people of color, the LGBTQIA community, and other marginalized groups across the country.

Join Rev. Dr. TLC and her guest Councilwoman Gina DeQuenne, the first openly queer black woman elected in southern Oregon, as they discuss how she has navigated the painful aftermath of Aidan's murder and the many anti-LGBTQIA laws that are on the books. They will also look at the intersectionality of race, sexuality, and gender.

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00:00:43.050 --> 00:00:58.999 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hello, and welcome to the dismantled racism. Show where our goal is to uncover dismantle and to eradicate racism. I'm your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. And I'm. So delighted that you have joined me this morning, and

00:00:59.010 --> 00:01:04.399 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am just bursting with joy this morning because the Brittany Grinder has been

00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:05.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: released.

00:01:05.720 --> 00:01:26.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And what a wonderful, wonderful way to start the day! And I am just so grateful to the sacred the universe! my God, who who I define as my sacred source and the Biden administration for all they have done in order to, ensure that Britney is home.

00:01:26.410 --> 00:01:32.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: home, home, home, home, where she should be, and we are continuing to lift up

00:01:32.950 --> 00:01:57.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Paul Wayland as well. We have not forgotten about him, and we know that there are many people who are held captive every single day in various ways. And so we just want to be mindful that we're doing the best that we can to help those who are around us who may feel like they're in captivity as well, but we also want to make sure that we're doing our part

00:01:57.940 --> 00:02:01.209 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: when something happens at the national level

00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as well to ensure that we get

00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:32.329 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: our folks back home to us. And so we're just really grateful, grateful for all the love, the energy, the prayers, and all the hard work that went into Britney Grinder. Returning home to her wife and to her family. I hope that their reunion will be a joyous one, and we know we know that there will still be a need for prayer and good wishes and vibes to go out

00:02:32.590 --> 00:02:43.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: towards that family, because i'm sure that there's a lot of healing that needs to take place, and we continue as well to be mindful of what needs to happen in this country

00:02:43.910 --> 00:02:59.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in order to ensure that things like this do not happen in that. People move with experience to get folks back home once these things occur because we know that they occur far too often.

00:02:59.630 --> 00:03:07.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So again, we want to continue to do what we need to do as well to ensure that Paul Wayland returns home to his family.

00:03:08.570 --> 00:03:24.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're going to begin the show, as we always do, by just taking a moment to ground ourselves and the conversation that we are going to have today. So I want to invite you if you can, and you are able to

00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to simply close your eyes

00:03:28.170 --> 00:03:32.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to connect with your feet on the floor.

00:03:33.270 --> 00:03:36.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if you are sitting, just fill your body

00:03:37.670 --> 00:03:41.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: sinking into your chair or your couch.

00:03:42.380 --> 00:03:46.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that it is a foundation for you.

00:03:47.270 --> 00:03:49.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then connect with your breath.

00:03:51.350 --> 00:03:53.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and simply began to breathe in

00:03:54.320 --> 00:03:55.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:03:57.300 --> 00:03:59.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your greatness.

00:04:00.270 --> 00:04:03.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your divine wisdom.

00:04:03.920 --> 00:04:06.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your sacred intelligence.

00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:11.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that helps you to make choices that will not only manifest your greatness.

00:04:12.750 --> 00:04:14.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but the greatness of others.

00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, as you breathe in

00:04:19.370 --> 00:04:20.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:24.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: take a moment to offer gratitude.

00:04:25.200 --> 00:04:28.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: gratitude for the release of Brittany Griner

00:04:30.570 --> 00:04:35.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: gratitude that she could be joined with her family during this holiday season.

00:04:36.670 --> 00:04:41.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and gratitude for the continued work that will be done to release Paul Wayman.

00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:49.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but breathe in and out, giving thanks for the work that you are doing

00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:54.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to dismantle racism and to ensure racial equity

00:04:55.050 --> 00:04:57.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to fight for social justice.

00:04:59.970 --> 00:05:02.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in and out.

00:05:03.250 --> 00:05:06.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: given thanks for all who came before you.

00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:08.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: pointing the way.

00:05:08.580 --> 00:05:10.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: showing you the way.

00:05:12.750 --> 00:05:18.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breath in and out, given thanks for those who are coming behind you

00:05:21.020 --> 00:05:26.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who are depending on you who are looking at you to lead the way.

00:05:29.010 --> 00:05:30.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: be thankful for them.

00:05:32.130 --> 00:05:38.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and to be thankful for the tenacity that our young people have to change this world.

00:05:40.760 --> 00:05:42.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so breathe in

00:05:42.950 --> 00:05:44.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:05:46.950 --> 00:05:48.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in

00:05:48.950 --> 00:05:50.340 and out.

00:05:51.300 --> 00:05:54.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that each breath connects you

00:05:54.820 --> 00:05:56.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with the other.

00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Whoever the other is for you.

00:06:02.780 --> 00:06:06.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: whoever it is that you fight for.

00:06:06.270 --> 00:06:10.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or that you see differently. Your breath connects you

00:06:11.890 --> 00:06:13.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because we are all one

00:06:17.780 --> 00:06:19.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we are then.

00:06:20.140 --> 00:06:21.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they are us.

00:06:24.700 --> 00:06:26.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So. Breathe in

00:06:26.740 --> 00:06:28.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:06:29.410 --> 00:06:31.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your power.

00:06:33.030 --> 00:06:36.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that you have the creativity.

00:06:38.070 --> 00:06:41.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the ability, the skills, the power.

00:06:42.780 --> 00:06:45.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the confidence, the commitment.

00:06:47.430 --> 00:06:50.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to change the status quo.

00:06:51.570 --> 00:06:54.239 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you do not walk. This journey alone.

00:06:55.960 --> 00:06:58.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in and out.

00:07:00.190 --> 00:07:03.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power of one

00:07:03.910 --> 00:07:06.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: contributes to the power of community.

00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:10.569 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and if we ban together.

00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:12.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We cannot fail.

00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:16.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in

00:07:17.340 --> 00:07:18.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and out.

00:07:20.110 --> 00:07:21.699 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and in gratitude.

00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we say, and so it is.

00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:26.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: she

00:07:27.330 --> 00:07:28.500 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and

00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am so delighted today

00:07:38.980 --> 00:07:41.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to welcome to the show, Gina

00:07:41.710 --> 00:07:42.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: decaying.

00:07:43.350 --> 00:07:47.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to just say a little bit before I tell you her bio

00:07:49.210 --> 00:07:52.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is. I want to just share with you that

00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:56.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we focused a lot on George Floyd as well we should.

00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:01.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But there are others who have been murdered since George Floyd

00:08:02.280 --> 00:08:04.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: on November 20, third.

00:08:05.210 --> 00:08:06.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: 2020

00:08:07.370 --> 00:08:10.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: aiden Ellison was murdered by Robert Keegan.

00:08:11.130 --> 00:08:17.280 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a white man who shot him for playing his music too loud in a hotel parking wide.

00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We probably heard a little bit

00:08:20.630 --> 00:08:22.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about Aiden's murder.

00:08:23.460 --> 00:08:28.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but of course it did not get the national attention that George Floyd.

00:08:28.950 --> 00:08:30.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's murder

00:08:30.060 --> 00:08:30.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: got it.

00:08:32.070 --> 00:08:33.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But nevertheless

00:08:34.030 --> 00:08:36.289 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it is just as important.

00:08:36.530 --> 00:08:39.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and day in and day out

00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: black and brown bodies

00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:45.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are murdered.

00:08:45.750 --> 00:08:47.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: abused.

00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:52.859 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: held in captivity, or even just the day to day racial inequities that occur.

00:08:53.380 --> 00:08:58.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is why we do the dismantle racism show. This is why

00:08:58.750 --> 00:09:01.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we are fighting for social justice.

00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:06.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It does not in

00:09:06.580 --> 00:09:09.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just because the news dies down.

00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:14.419 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And what happened in Ashland.

00:09:15.100 --> 00:09:16.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Our guest today.

00:09:16.820 --> 00:09:19.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who is Councilwoman

00:09:19.970 --> 00:09:21.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Gina Duke.

00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:27.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: has been working with the Ashland community to help them, not just to remember

00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:29.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Aiden's murder.

00:09:30.650 --> 00:09:33.100 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But to say, what changes will we make

00:09:33.390 --> 00:09:37.699 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in our town because it shook the residents?

00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:46.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are often times in life that we walk around, and we are living in a bubble, and we think that life is just per perfect.

00:09:47.030 --> 00:09:49.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That would never happen in our town.

00:09:50.050 --> 00:09:51.739 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It could happen anywhere

00:09:52.020 --> 00:09:53.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: any time.

00:09:53.580 --> 00:10:01.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So Aiden's murder is a painful reminder to us of the value that's placed on black and brown bodies.

00:10:02.780 --> 00:10:03.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So

00:10:04.130 --> 00:10:06.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Councilwoman Gina Dukane

00:10:07.170 --> 00:10:08.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is here today.

00:10:08.770 --> 00:10:13.879 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We are going to talk about Aiden's murder.

00:10:15.050 --> 00:10:17.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're going to talk about so much more, though.

00:10:17.580 --> 00:10:20.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because she is the first

00:10:21.260 --> 00:10:27.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: openly queer black woman to be elected in Southern Oregon.

00:10:27.870 --> 00:10:33.449 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you would think in 2,020 that there would no longer be these first that are occurring.

00:10:33.530 --> 00:10:40.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but they are still occurring, and I want to tell you that she has been really really active

00:10:40.930 --> 00:10:56.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in Ashland. She created the Southern organ Pride Festival. She is served on many nonprofit Boards, the Children Advocacy Center, the Addiction Recovery Center, Ashland Rotary, and the Martin Luther King Committee.

00:10:57.160 --> 00:11:01.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She has in her bio something that I think is really really important.

00:11:01.820 --> 00:11:03.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I share this with you.

00:11:04.290 --> 00:11:09.639 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: She is third generation removed from enslavement.

00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:14.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Her great grandmother is her shiro.

00:11:14.490 --> 00:11:24.909 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and she says that her values are passion for civil rights. Equity for all people in the environment are lessons that she will never forget. From her grandmother.

00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:30.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to welcome you, welcome you, welcome you to the Show

00:11:30.710 --> 00:11:47.209 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Council Woman G. To do. Kane. my new friend. It seems like every time I meet someone we just we're engaged in this struggle together, so we quickly become friends. And so I want to just welcome you to the show today.

00:11:47.760 --> 00:12:05.700 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Thank you. Thank you, Reverend Dr. Tlc. It is, my pleasure, my honor, to be here. When we met we instantly connected, and the common ground is there, you know, like you said, we are in this struggle together.

00:12:05.710 --> 00:12:11.429 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and it it. There is definitely a struggle out there, and you would believe

00:12:11.620 --> 00:12:28.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you know we are approaching 2,023 we are. Yes, yes, and it is unfathomable really. And Lots of people are waking up to things that you and I have known for all our lives.

00:12:28.560 --> 00:12:41.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I just want to go back a little bit to just say how we met. We. We actually only just met maybe 2 weeks ago to, maybe maybe 3 weeks ago at the most. And

00:12:42.540 --> 00:12:50.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what was really interesting. We we met when I came out to discuss my book dismantling racism.

00:12:50.170 --> 00:13:07.890 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I was really amazed with the city of of Ashland, or it particularly the group of people that got us together 2 days before we celebrated what I call day of gratitude. Everybody else calls Thanksgiving Day. but or day of morning

00:13:07.900 --> 00:13:23.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: other people call it as well right because I want to acknowledge that. that is not a a Thanksgiving day per say for first nation people, it's a day of mourning for many of them. And so we met at this talk, and I was amazed

00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:25.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that in

00:13:25.490 --> 00:13:28.709 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Ashland that 75 people came out

00:13:28.740 --> 00:13:31.129 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to talk about

00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:32.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: race

00:13:33.780 --> 00:13:37.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and they're coming out to talk about this before Thanksgiving.

00:13:37.570 --> 00:13:43.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And to me I think that that shows that there are people who are really really interested

00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:51.629 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in doing this work, and they want to know how. So talk to me a little bit about

00:13:51.830 --> 00:13:59.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know Aiden's murder, and what the reaction was from the people of Ashland

00:13:59.310 --> 00:14:11.690 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in in their early stages, and I and I want to say this because i'm sure we'll have to cut to break really soon, but we'll begin the conversation. Now, can you talk to me a little bit about the the aftermath of that?

00:14:12.230 --> 00:14:31.590 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Yes. Well, something that you touched on which was so relevant and real is that People think not in my town this doesn't happen in Ashland as a sweet little bubble, you know everybody loves it so long. Not in my town. Well, it does happen.

00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:36.539 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Hmm. And Ayton's murder was such a shock

00:14:36.550 --> 00:14:55.550 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: to to me, You know. 2020 was a year of reckoning. It was so many things were going on that year, and for Aiden to have been murdered right here in our backyard. It was mind blowing, and the initial reaction from people

00:14:55.560 --> 00:14:59.010 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: was I? I didn't see the big out

00:14:59.130 --> 00:15:08.379 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: for the outcry, the the Allies. I didn't see a lot of people who were not of color.

00:15:08.390 --> 00:15:22.009 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I didn't see that, and normally in Ashland, like you, said the 75 people showed up at the drop of a hat to come and here you speak and hear about your book. Dismantling racism.

00:15:22.020 --> 00:15:28.679 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: People are hungry, and Ashland, and they want to learn, and they want to know and Aiden's murder happens

00:15:29.270 --> 00:15:37.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and wearing so. Why Why did you think they didn't show up for that? Because, you know, there was this big outcry for about George Floyd?

00:15:37.820 --> 00:15:56.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And now this is right here in the town, and I want to just say that for anybody who's listening, if you want to. Just put a question in because we're live on on Youtube. We're live on the air. If you put a comment in on the Youtube page, we'll be sure to answer it, because there are people i'm sure who are listening

00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from Ashland, even though it's very early in the morning. There are people who are listening.

00:15:59.810 --> 00:16:07.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'd love to know why didn't people show up. Why wasn't there an outpour? So tell me your impressions of that.

00:16:07.660 --> 00:16:08.930 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: It was.

00:16:09.250 --> 00:16:29.169 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: It was as if you know we have the support of our white allies. But when it happens in your backyard oh, my goodness! Nobody knew what to do. So a lot of people really didn't do anything. It was. It was a sense of what do I do? What do I say? I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to do the wrong thing

00:16:29.180 --> 00:16:48.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: rather than to overthink it. Just show up and be there. Amen. Amen. And I so appreciate you saying that because that's one of the things I tell people all the time. You're going to make a mistake. So just go out there and do it, because for us, as people of color, it feels like

00:16:48.740 --> 00:17:18.720 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're devalued when you don't show up, and I have to say that that's one of the reasons why I tell people particularly when i'm teaching like my courses. This is a consistent process for you to do this. You can't just be interested in dismantling racism and not continue the journey. You need to know what to do before Aiden Ellison, or George Floyd, or Michael Brown, or Trayvon Martin

00:17:18.730 --> 00:17:23.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is killed. If you don't engage in in the process day to day.

00:17:23.900 --> 00:17:25.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you won't know what to do.

00:17:25.660 --> 00:17:27.190 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But if you

00:17:27.220 --> 00:17:28.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: consistently

00:17:28.850 --> 00:17:32.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and persistently engage in this work.

00:17:33.460 --> 00:17:38.959 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you will know what to do, and sometimes knowing what to do, is just showing up.

00:17:39.340 --> 00:17:41.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being silent.

00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:43.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: holding a hand.

00:17:43.150 --> 00:17:44.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: giving a hug.

00:17:44.730 --> 00:17:58.909 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: All of that. But we do have to take a break, and when we come back I want you to, you know, just to continue to tell us what has happened since then, and maybe you can tell us actually what happened, because for some people they've never heard of Aden Ellison.

00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:22.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: so i'd like you to share a little bit about that. We are going to be right back with the dismantled racism. Show again. If you have questions or comments, you can go to the the Youtube, live and put your comments there. Your questions there. If your friends with me on Facebook. You can go to my Facebook Page, pop a question in there, and we will try to cover it on the show as Well, we'll be right back.

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00:20:37.110 --> 00:20:50.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with the Dismantle racism. Show my guest today is Council one, and Gina du Kane Gina before the break. We were talking about the murder of aid. And Ellison, can you tell us what happened on that night of November 20 third?

00:20:53.100 --> 00:21:10.760 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Actually, it was in the early morning hours of the twenty-threerd aid, and Ellison as well as Mr. Keegan had been displaced, because, with Al meet a fire that we had here in in talent in Ashland, Oregon.

00:21:10.770 --> 00:21:27.010 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: So they were staying at a local hotel right here in town, and aiden 19 years old like so many 19 year olds sitting in their car early morning blasts in the radio, I mean, like we all do. I do it, too.

00:21:27.530 --> 00:21:53.060 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: And this man, Mr. Keegan, came out and had words with aiden, and then after that I wasn't there. I don't know what they said Mr. Keegan left when back into the hotel, walked down the hall. When back into his guest room, got his loaded gun, came out down the hall, out of the hotel into the parking lot and shot and killed Aiden Ellison.

00:21:54.030 --> 00:21:54.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm.

00:21:54.900 --> 00:22:02.759 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: He will go on trial on February 20 fourth of 2023,

00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:12.170 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and I I look forward to being there, and I look for the support of our community and allies to be there.

00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:31.699 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Aiden's life was taken before it even started in something that I must say is that after this, and you know, like we touched on earlier with 2020 and so many deaths in 2020. I think that a lot of people didn't know what to do.

00:22:31.770 --> 00:22:48.420 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: so they kind of didn't do anything. And now people are coming forward. People are asking questions I was asked, You know, Gina, how does this make you feel after the murder of George Floyd? Well, I take this personal

00:22:48.490 --> 00:23:08.469 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: i'm a mother. I'm a black woman. I have a son. I have 2 grandsons. I take this personal, and so, as as I think we all should. So when Aiden was killed here. I believe it just really it ripped the band date off it. Let everybody see, this is real.

00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:23.369 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: It happens on a daily basis, and if we are who we say we want to be, an aspire to be like you touched on earlier. Reverend Doctor Tlc. Is that we need to do this daily, and it's a practice.

00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:37.909 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: And if you practice anti-racism and your mindful, then we can find common ground exactly, and and here's what's so interesting to me so.

00:23:38.290 --> 00:23:43.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: When we talk about not knowing what to do, you have to do something

00:23:43.560 --> 00:23:47.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? It's. If there's a burning. If there's a person in a burning building.

00:23:48.050 --> 00:24:06.579 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You don't just stand there and watch the building. Bro. You do something right, even if that's called the Fire department. You're actively doing something, and and and the same thing is happening here. We are being murdered. We are being abused. We are being like you. You name it.

00:24:06.590 --> 00:24:08.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But here's what's interesting.

00:24:08.890 --> 00:24:16.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So Gina is definitely a go. Get her, and she listens very carefully, because at the at the book talk

00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:27.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I read a story from my book call. I I don't get to opt out, and I told a story about my kids which I will not tell an air. If you haven't, read it, go get the book, read it.

00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:29.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But here's what Gina did.

00:24:30.310 --> 00:24:32.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The next night there was a vigil

00:24:32.990 --> 00:24:34.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for aided.

00:24:34.730 --> 00:24:40.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and Gina simply looks at me, and she said I, I want you to come and speak

00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:45.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. I don't know if those were your exact words. But basically it was like you. Come, speak at this schedule.

00:24:45.570 --> 00:24:46.290 Yeah.

00:24:46.790 --> 00:24:49.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So here I am, an outsider to Ashland.

00:24:50.250 --> 00:24:53.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you're inviting me to come in to do this

00:24:54.040 --> 00:24:56.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: now. My answer could have been: No.

00:24:56.930 --> 00:25:00.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm here visiting i'm here for x Y. And Z.

00:25:00.870 --> 00:25:02.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But my answer was Yes.

00:25:02.840 --> 00:25:04.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and and the

00:25:05.020 --> 00:25:08.169 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the the beautiful soul who was hosting me.

00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.440 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: ask me how I felt about that.

00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:12.430 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I said.

00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:16.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I have to not just talk the talk.

00:25:16.850 --> 00:25:18.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I have to walk the walk.

00:25:19.050 --> 00:25:21.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So if I had said No.

00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:24.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: What kind of social justice advocate would I have been

00:25:24.340 --> 00:25:42.020 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just because I hadn't prepared for that moment in terms of I didn't have a prepared speech at the moment that you turned to me in this way and said, I, I think you did it publicly. I'm not sure but it was definitely while things were going on. but but who would I be?

00:25:42.540 --> 00:25:53.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But I think your question or your comment about whether Ashland is who it believes itself to be. We all have this thought in our heads about who we think we are.

00:25:55.010 --> 00:25:57.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's when the rubber meets the road.

00:25:57.540 --> 00:25:58.230 Hmm.

00:25:58.570 --> 00:26:02.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that we get to see, are we actually that person?

00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:06.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so, just like I didn't have a prepared speech.

00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:14.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I prepared one right now. Granted, I've been doing this a lot longer, and I get that. I don't expect everybody to do what I do.

00:26:15.860 --> 00:26:16.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but

00:26:16.780 --> 00:26:23.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I always quote Arthur Ash. Start where you are, use what you have, and do with you.

00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You don't have to be on the city council.

00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:35.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You don't have to have a radio show. You know it's whatever you can do to dismantle racism. So what are your hopes

00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:46.139 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for the city of Ashland? Because I want to just tell you we didn't get a chance to really wrap up. Before I left. I ran into a lot of people.

00:26:46.580 --> 00:26:50.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: both people of color and white people after that.

00:26:51.860 --> 00:26:54.859 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and there were lots of people who wanted to talk about race.

00:26:55.010 --> 00:26:58.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and there were lots of things that people of color shared with me

00:26:58.860 --> 00:27:00.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about Ashland

00:27:00.520 --> 00:27:02.660 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that I am quite sure

00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:14.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that white people who live in Ashland are not aware of. They are not aware of these day to day experiences, and some of them were pretty serious experiences. So what are your hopes.

00:27:16.070 --> 00:27:27.760 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: my hopes? Is, it's a great question, because you know the short time when you were here, and you were bombarded with so many questions from black white people.

00:27:28.210 --> 00:27:31.839 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: to me. That's that's a healthy place to be

00:27:31.850 --> 00:27:48.930 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: that curious question. And since I have been here I have never lived anywhere in my life where white people were so curious, sincerely, honestly curious about our culture, and wanting to know who we are

00:27:48.940 --> 00:28:14.199 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and for me, that's a good place to be. So my aspirations are to. When you were here the 75 people we're going to grow this we're going to grow this conversation. We're going to have the diverse audience. We're going to have indigenous people, and black and Brown and white people come, because if we don't have that conversation.

00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:16.110 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: then nobody will know.

00:28:16.190 --> 00:28:22.909 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: That's right, I said earlier. So many white people are clueless to to the day to day things that happen.

00:28:22.990 --> 00:28:46.299 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: however, now that I have, I've seen book clubs sprout out, you know, and so many equity, and in social justice and racial justice groups. We have this house, we have book groups. We have members for equity. It's it's it's

00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:48.659 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: that's Oregon.

00:28:48.870 --> 00:28:58.670 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Shakespeare Festival. So we have so many different groups. My hope is to bring all these groups together

00:28:59.030 --> 00:29:05.339 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right right? And I know we do have to take a quick break, and I just want to give kudos, though.

00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:08.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to the people who put together

00:29:08.510 --> 00:29:09.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the talk.

00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:22.119 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because that happened in the span of 3 weeks, and I and I need to say this because I want our listeners to know it's not about having weeks and weeks and weeks of planning time to do this.

00:29:22.130 --> 00:29:37.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: It's not about knowing exactly every little piece that needs to happen. Sometimes it's about press, trusting the process and trusting Spirit, your sacred intelligence to your divine wisdom to lead the way. This group of women

00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:48.179 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who put this thing together, and and they did so simply by contacting the people. They knew this wasn't, even something that was blastic publicly.

00:29:48.990 --> 00:29:56.269 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and 75 people showed up. I want our listeners to really hear that there is a lot of power.

00:29:56.280 --> 00:30:14.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and being able to come together with like-minded people, and say, what are we going to do, and then doing it. So I I thank them while I was there, but I also want to thank them publicly for just taking this initiative. And really really

00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:28.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: just saying, i'm going to make a difference, and and I especially want to thank Hillary Larson. I don't know if she is listening. She's been on the show before, but she really is the person who helped to get this thing going, and so I want to thank her and all the people

00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:39.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who said, we're going to be fighting for racial equity in the town of Ashland. So we have to take a quick break, and when we come back we'll continue our conversation. We'll be right back.

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00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:53.770 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with counselor Du Kane this morning, and I want to thank you again, because I know it's early morning out there in Oregon. I thank you for joining us.

00:32:53.840 --> 00:33:02.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to shift if we could the conversation a little bit. You are the first openly

00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: black, queer woman to be a elected

00:33:06.290 --> 00:33:11.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and talk to me a little bit about. You know you check the box

00:33:11.850 --> 00:33:15.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for 3 things as as I checked the box for

00:33:15.630 --> 00:33:21.239 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to, and I know what comes to mind when I initially identify myself.

00:33:21.410 --> 00:33:25.350 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I I think about my blackness even before I think about being

00:33:25.730 --> 00:33:27.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a woman.

00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:30.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so you check the box being queer

00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:31.410 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: black.

00:33:31.850 --> 00:33:33.790 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, woman.

00:33:34.370 --> 00:33:39.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I know You've been asked this question, just as I have what what

00:33:39.610 --> 00:33:42.950 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: comes up for you the most. What do you?

00:33:43.300 --> 00:33:45.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know? You can't separate yourself.

00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:48.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but when you're thinking about

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:55.200 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who you are, and your perspective, and how you see the world. What do you think stands out for you?

00:33:57.430 --> 00:34:02.590 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I do. I check the 3 boxes, Black Woman. Queer.

00:34:03.520 --> 00:34:07.950 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and I have been asked that question, and you know. So

00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:11.659 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: how do you identify, Gina? How do people see you

00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:17.349 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: when people see me? The first thing they see is black. I see a woman.

00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:20.949 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Then they get to know me, and they see a queer woman.

00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:25.819 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I identify myself with the way people see me.

00:34:25.949 --> 00:34:38.130 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: You know this is the first thing that, and then for me as as a person, it goes deeper, because you know, the way people see me is not really who I am inside of me.

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:51.479 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I know who I am, but other people. Your your reputation is who people think you are, who I am. However, when you see me, you see a black woman.

00:34:52.070 --> 00:35:05.950 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and sometimes you know, when people see a black person I could be on the phone talking to someone at my job, and we're getting ready to seal the deal and sign the contract.

00:35:06.510 --> 00:35:15.969 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and they come to the office and they see me and any occasions I've come down the stairs the same time my colleague has.

00:35:16.250 --> 00:35:30.409 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and they go to her, and i'm like no, i'm gina, and then we get that look right. Yes, yes, but you know, you know. So this is interesting, right? Because

00:35:31.050 --> 00:35:35.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this is the hard part of when we're teaching people about

00:35:35.450 --> 00:35:46.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: oppression and and being marginalized, because sometimes when I'm teaching, people want to say yes. But I've been mistreated as well. I get that, and I understand that.

00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But your skin color

00:35:49.740 --> 00:36:07.649 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is not the thing, not the reason why you're mistreated, and people can assume anything they want to about you, whether they know it or not. They can assume that you're a queer woman, but they don't know it unless you tell them right, or unless they see something else. But they see that you're a black woman.

00:36:07.660 --> 00:36:10.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And so what I what? I'm wondering.

00:36:10.770 --> 00:36:11.859 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So

00:36:11.910 --> 00:36:14.399 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know you're You're in this position

00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:23.349 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as a queer black woman, and then you decide that you are going to start the first pride

00:36:23.370 --> 00:36:33.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or Southern organ Pride Festival. Talk to me a little bit about that. And why that was important in the fight even for racial and social justice.

00:36:34.580 --> 00:36:36.779 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Well, honestly,

00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:40.220 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: So pride Southern Oregon Pride came first.

00:36:40.490 --> 00:36:42.689 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and then council came second.

00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:58.769 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: If I am the type of person. If I see a need, I will be of service in any way I can. And at that time this year we celebrated 12 years of the so pride, parade, Southern organ, pride, parade.

00:36:58.830 --> 00:37:04.989 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: we were. Thank you. Thank you. 2 years, of course you know pandemic, nothing happened.

00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:07.629 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: but

00:37:08.060 --> 00:37:16.729 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: in celebrating our parade I saw there was a need there. There's queer people here. We're everywhere, and

00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:23.789 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: to go to council and to say, You know, hey, this is what we need to do in our town.

00:37:24.160 --> 00:37:26.540 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: This is something that's needed.

00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:36.929 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: And honestly, Reverend Dr. Tlc. It was. It was really funny how people were afraid.

00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:43.569 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: If you don't know you have fear. They never had a queer parade.

00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:59.610 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I don't even think they really had. You know we're here, but being out in loud about it, people aren't really ready for that. So I I saw the need, and I thought, hey, let's do this. So

00:37:59.620 --> 00:38:28.340 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I gathered a friend of mine who was very aware about what's happening when it comes to social media, and I have this idea, and she put it out there, and good things happen and continue to happen. And we have people come from all over Oregon and Northern California because we are on the southernmost tip of Oregon. So we are right here, and we had people come, and it was wonderful. People never been to a pride parade before.

00:38:28.350 --> 00:38:46.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and i'm like, what is that? How you know? How can people? How can they never go to? But you know what's interesting. You talk about this word fear. It's just like people fear folks of color. People fear what they don't know and why we're

00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:55.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're all humans. So what is, what? What is the spear thing going on. It's about getting to know people. But what I'm also hearing

00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.580 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in your conversation

00:38:58.660 --> 00:39:15.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is this idea of Yes, we know you're here, but we don't want you to be allowed about it, and we we want you to stay invisible, because that was a part of what I felt like was happening even with the people of color that they're they're sort of like invisible in the town, right?

00:39:15.820 --> 00:39:21.919 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I wonder if you could share with me? Because this is a conversation that I I most often have with people

00:39:22.060 --> 00:39:29.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly I had this conversation with a woman once when we were talking about racial equity.

00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:47.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and she said, Well, really, what i'm more concerned about. She says Well, my fight right now is around trans issues because her trial is trans, and she said it. So that's really where my focus is. And I said, Yes.

00:39:47.240 --> 00:39:55.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I get that, and I understand that. But when we are talking about racial equity we are really looking at the intersectionality.

00:39:55.680 --> 00:40:09.529 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So can you share with me a little bit of what are some of the things that you are noticing? So, even within the Lgbtq. I. A community. What are you noticing in terms of just the racial inequities?

00:40:10.720 --> 00:40:15.760 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Well, first off in the in the Trans community.

00:40:15.820 --> 00:40:21.439 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: the number of black and brown Trans. Women that are murdered.

00:40:21.640 --> 00:40:39.399 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: It is out of control, and that is fear, that is fear, and and it's out of control. People are the the ignorance is there the rhetoric is there everything that comes down from

00:40:39.410 --> 00:40:53.169 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: from legislature, from the Federal, from the fed, from religion. There is so much rhetoric and so many myths out there, and untruths about my community.

00:40:53.180 --> 00:41:05.979 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Trans. People are just like every other person, and here is there. So if the fears there, I got to shut it down. I got to quiet it down, and any type of

00:41:06.020 --> 00:41:25.619 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: any type of invisible isn't good, you know. You can't take black people and put us in the back. You can't take queer people and put us in the back. You know we are still fighting for you know, when you said, how do I identify Black Woman? Queer, You know black people

00:41:25.630 --> 00:41:28.400 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: are still in chains.

00:41:28.640 --> 00:41:32.830 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Women don't have equal rights.

00:41:33.080 --> 00:41:52.469 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Queer people Don't have human rights. All of these are human rights and the culture that we live in right now. They're being chipped away, and if we are not loud, and if we are not visible, and we are not saying who we are, this will continue

00:41:52.550 --> 00:41:59.880 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: something. I just wanted to, because I want you to be sure to say this to the audience, because when we were talking

00:41:59.990 --> 00:42:07.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you mentioned that there were over 300 and something laws on the book that are Anti Lgbtqi a. Is that correct?

00:42:07.750 --> 00:42:13.880 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: That is correct? That is what's happening right now. It it started

00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:44.299 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: 4 years ago, and things are building up, shall I say? 3 years ago, and things are building up against us in the Supreme Court has changed. You know it's it's so different now, and so that is my prayer. You know the prayers and the good vibes that you mentioned at the top of the show. These are something we have to hold onto our prayers and our good vibes, and we have to show up because we can march, and we can protest.

00:42:44.410 --> 00:42:49.729 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: But something that I I hope everyone will do is create an email

00:42:49.900 --> 00:43:07.649 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and send that email once a week. It could be the same email to the Federal level, the State level and the local level. We are not going to stand for this

00:43:07.660 --> 00:43:11.099 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: emails, and I just want to point out, even as

00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:34.149 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it relates to the Lgbtqi a community there. There are little things that we all can do, and you talk about this fear. Get educated on the Lgbtqi community, particularly the trans community, which I think, is different, you know, even from saying I'm lesbian or gay. It's there's a difference and get educated.

00:43:34.230 --> 00:43:42.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Let people know that you are concerned. The other things that we can do. There, there's simple things we can do when you go to your doctor's office.

00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:48.679 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it simply says, male or female. Ask them. Why, don't you have some something else on here.

00:43:48.850 --> 00:43:58.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know. There are other options start talking, start being, you know, vocal about things. We're rebuilding our church after it's

00:43:58.930 --> 00:44:03.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, was burned down as a result of a hate crime. And so we.

00:44:03.500 --> 00:44:22.740 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I was talking with the the opm the other day, and we were looking at some remodeling with the bathrooms and what we're gonna do, and blah blah blah! He says, you know. So there'll be the women's restroom, and they'll be the men's restroom and blah blah blah blah! And I said well, quite frankly, they should be just non gender conforming like like

00:44:22.750 --> 00:44:36.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it should be all gender bathroom. That's what we're going to do. Because we're not doing this man, you know. Now, I might have some other reasons why I might want men to go to another restaurant, but it has nothing to do with

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.140 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know who they identify with.

00:44:39.730 --> 00:44:44.439 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I think that we all have to start thinking differently.

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:59.540 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and we can't think differently if we don't immerse ourselves into understanding the other, whoever the other is. So if you think about something like the restroom, we don't want to force people to have to choose.

00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:07.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: A friend of mine told me the other day that their child, if it only says male or female will not go.

00:45:07.810 --> 00:45:16.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: will not go at all. That's a horrible way to be, because we all know what it feels like if we have to go and we can't go.

00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.419 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Just call it restroom.

00:45:18.490 --> 00:45:19.819 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Exactly

00:45:19.900 --> 00:45:21.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: exactly

00:45:21.690 --> 00:45:29.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. So we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna be right back to have our last segment stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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00:47:34.330 --> 00:47:38.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest Counselor Duquaine

00:47:38.550 --> 00:47:51.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: before the break. You mentioned these laws that are on the books that are Anti Lgbtqi a. And you talked about writing an email letter.

00:47:51.220 --> 00:47:54.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: talk to us about the effectiveness

00:47:54.570 --> 00:48:05.910 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: of writing. Because I think sometimes people don't understand the power that comes. And you mentioned, even if it's the same email, how does that impact.

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: politicians?

00:48:07.620 --> 00:48:36.939 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: That's right, you know, even on a local level my emails get flooded with so many people, their opinions, their expressions, and what we forget is, it is more power to the people all the people we have the power. Ashland is not made up or made up of the people at City Hall, or the people who are in local government or State or federal government. It is the people who make the world.

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:56.769 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: We can march, but the writing and the email that is the follow up that is continuously in your face. We are not going to stand for this, and when we have the follow up. That's how things get done. I'm going to go back a little bit to aiden when aiden got murdered

00:48:57.100 --> 00:49:12.139 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: students, young people from Ashland High School came together truth to power and paint at that mural for aiden, and went through the legalities and the hoops to make that happen. Young people, they followed up

00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:27.129 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: when I think about the the racism that's out there in the world. How do we fight against that that fight? We have to have the follow up. So the the marching, the emails, all of it.

00:49:27.140 --> 00:49:37.520 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Because we are not going to stand for this anymore. The people make America, not the people that

00:49:37.530 --> 00:50:02.239 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: are sitting in the White House or sitting in your City hall. You, the people do this. We make it so more power to the people. And I say, speak up, speak out, and make great things happen. Oh, I so appreciate you, just saying it takes more than just being out there in the streets to this. So with the email, because I I want to focus on this a little bit, because I know one of the things that we did

00:50:02.250 --> 00:50:11.709 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in our church was we? Well, truth be told, I got email from from somebody else my my sister. She was writing her letter.

00:50:11.720 --> 00:50:30.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: And I said, hey, can we use this email? And I just sent it to every person in my congregation. And I said, you need to sign this, and you send it to You know your State representatives, your senators, and all of that, and it was around gun control. And so

00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:32.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: does it matter

00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:40.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: whether it's the same email from a group of people. If you're sending it out individually as opposed to just collectively.

00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:52.780 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: it doesn't as long as it hits that email box, that's all that matters, and it the same email can be continuously. It's the people saying.

00:50:52.790 --> 00:51:19.910 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I am watching you. I'm hearing you. It's so important for us to use our human right, our basic right to vote and know who we vote for it's like When you said about education, the options are out there to learn people. Google is your friend advantage of this tool and educate ourselves. Your book educates us, and it gives us resources

00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:34.290 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: to carry on into practice on a daily basis, and that's what we need to do. Like you mentioned. Walk the walk and talk to talk, we're mindful, and it works.

00:51:34.430 --> 00:51:37.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I I want to say, you know

00:51:38.240 --> 00:51:42.070 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as a politician. Can you talk to us just a little bit

00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:46.710 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about being these one issue voters

00:51:46.850 --> 00:52:03.649 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right? Because we can see that E. Maybe you conservative. So there's certain things that you may not vote for, and then you find that your rights are stripped away in some other way. So what would you say about really investigating your politicians?

00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:06.820 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I would. You know it's

00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:11.429 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: it's deeper than red and white and Democrat and Republican.

00:52:11.590 --> 00:52:31.800 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: It's. what are their values? Where are they coming from? And when you look at what's on the table we so many people they vote, and they think about themselves. We need to think about our community. We need to think about the long run. How is this gonna affect

00:52:31.810 --> 00:52:49.349 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: the climate, For instance? How is this going to affect gun control? I mean, why do we have AR 15 and automatic weapons from 1,994, to 2,004 automatic weapons were banned.

00:52:50.050 --> 00:53:09.429 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: and then it lasts, and nobody said, hey, you guys, we better put this back into effect. And now here we are again with AR 15, and all of these children and people being murdered, you know, lives taken away. It's ridiculous. So when we think about, how is this gonna

00:53:09.610 --> 00:53:21.389 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: effect and impact my community, my state, my world in a long run, Not just right now, right here today, and I don't like this guy, so i'm voting for that guy or

00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:33.319 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: so and so she has a pretty face or no. We have to go deep and and do the reading. It's so so important because our lives really do depend on it.

00:53:34.010 --> 00:53:51.869 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I want to thank you so much for that. I know that we're getting lots of comments on on Youtube from this conversation, and I want to just thank the Arc. Who's commented about? there's a disadvantage with the English language where we place

00:53:51.880 --> 00:54:15.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: adjectives before now. Queer person versus person who happens to be queer. we should acknowledge humanity first, and I completely agree with that in my book I actually say people who are black people who are brown. because it does. There's a hierarchy as well. So thank you so much from Arc, the American Redneck Company. That's who that

00:54:15.910 --> 00:54:24.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: comment is from and for others who are commenting. I know that we are almost out of time, and I just want to.

00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:34.839 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Just say thank you to you for being the kind of politician who decides that you are going to continuously fight

00:54:35.030 --> 00:54:46.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for justice on whatever level it is. i'm so delighted that when I did come out to the visual, and I would love to have these young people on my show

00:54:46.430 --> 00:55:02.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that these young people decided they wanted to make a difference. Our young people are out there doing their things, and they are watching us, and it takes them pressing on beyond the red tape. If we can see them doing it.

00:55:02.620 --> 00:55:17.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: then we all can do it as well, and what we do matters is so I want to thank you very much for that. I we only have a couple of more minutes left. We have to wrap up. Do you have any final comments that you would like

00:55:19.110 --> 00:55:27.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to just offer to our audience as we're getting ready to end today's show, and i'd love for you to tell folks as well how they can get in touch with you.

00:55:30.150 --> 00:55:47.519 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: in in a in a wrap up to this very important conversation that we've been having, and I know for my end, and I believe for you also, Reverend Dr. Tlc. Is that we could talk for hours. but taking from this.

00:55:47.540 --> 00:55:52.760 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: I'm. Hoping that everyone who's listening will do the work.

00:55:53.060 --> 00:56:11.329 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: do the work. Be mindful of one another. Educate yourselves because when we are aware of something. Then the fear dissipates, and I was raised that where there is faith there is no fear.

00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:25.300 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: Educate ourselves, trust the process. Get to know somebody who doesn't look like you who doesn't come from your culture. Cultures were meant to be shared. Immerse yourself in humanity.

00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:33.390 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I have hope that we will be all right, and how can they get in touch with you if they like to reach out?

00:56:33.490 --> 00:56:39.000 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: If anybody wants to reach out to me. My name is there. If you could just go

00:56:39.010 --> 00:56:58.070 Councilor DuQuenne she/her: to Gina dot du Kane at gmail.com, you could go to the city of Ashland, Oregon's website, and find me counselor to Kane. But please reach out. I'm here, and I will always be here for the people.

00:56:58.080 --> 00:57:28.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to really thank our audience for listening, and stay and all the comments there. the Elizabeth Fairchild. Thank you so much for chiming in that you love to hear truth to power on this show we so appreciate you. I do just want to let people know to go to sacred intelligence.com if you'd like to find out more about the things that I offer, and I just released my CD. Of meditation

00:57:28.070 --> 00:57:43.459 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that are based on the book. You can go to itunes, spotify wherever you stream your music and get these meditations. Stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy.

00:57:43.730 --> 00:57:49.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Be well, be safe, Be encouraged until next time bye for now.