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WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
The audience will have an opportunity to listen in on a dynamic interracial dialogue and discover how we can move beyond our discomfort in dismantling racism to a place of committed intention to connect on a deeper level with one another.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
Race is a social construct and yet we can not avoid its impact when we move throughout society. We understand one another and make meaning/assumptions about people and situations based on who we believe them to be racially. We often fail to see who they are as individuals. Is it possible to truly separate who people are as individuals from who we believe them to be racially? If we are all a part of a shared humanity, why is it so difficult to value one another and see the divinity that resides in each one of us? What happens when three people of different races and gender sit down to talk about race? Join Rev. Dr. TLC as she sits down with Jose Hernandez and Derek Rydall to discuss why race matters or perhaps why it doesn't.
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Rev. Dr. TLC begins the show with a guided meditation. She welcomes her guest Derek Rydall and Jose Hernandez. Derek and Jose give the audience some insight on who they are and they’re professional background. Both Derek and Jose share their near death experience and how it changed them spiritually. Rev. Dr. TLC points out how being spiritual leaders shapes how they show up in the world.
Rev. Dr. TLC talks about a conversation she had amongst Derek and Jose where they lumped Derek in a white male category. Rev. Dr. TLC and Jose ask Derek to share what it is like to be a white man in America. Derek discusses his upbringing and how he was raised in an all black church. He found himself relating more to African Americans. It wasn’t until his adult years did he find himself analyzing his experience as a white man. Jose shares his experience as a Latinx man. The experience led Jose to find who he really is and it helped him understand people.
Derek continues to share why he took issue with being labeled as a white man. Rev. Dr. TLC, Derek, and Jose discuss the way in which one must see past victimization in order to seek change in society. Jose explains that we have to understand the racial issue as a whole before we can worry about overcorrecting.
Derek continues to discuss his issue with labeling as Jose argues it’s something we have to accept and move past. Jose explains that it is a reality when you look at someone and you see their race for example you know that Rev. Dr. TLC is black and Jose is brown. He adds that we have to be comfortable with who we are physically and spiritually. Derek explains why we should fully accept and honor our differences.
00:00:43.980 --> 00:01:12.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: welcome to the dismantle racism, show where our goal is to uncover, dismantle, and eradicate racism and create a world where racial equity is the norm. I'm. Your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. And I'm. Really excited today because we're going to be talking about from othering to honoring, and we're going to begin our show, as we always do by inviting you just to focus and to center yourself
00:01:12.170 --> 00:01:20.570 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and connect with your sacred source, whatever that might be for you, but really to connect with your breath. So if you would,
00:01:20.630 --> 00:01:30.349 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I invite you to close your eyes, plant your feet solidly on the floor or the ground wherever you are, just connect
00:01:30.440 --> 00:01:32.050 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with your breath,
00:01:32.910 --> 00:01:36.360 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and again by taking some deep breaths in,
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00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.970 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: taking another deep breath in
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00:01:49.790 --> 00:01:53.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then just finding your normal rhythm
00:01:54.370 --> 00:01:57.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathing in and out,
00:01:58.300 --> 00:02:01.330 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: connecting with your divine wisdom,
00:02:02.510 --> 00:02:04.719 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your sacred source,
00:02:05.770 --> 00:02:08.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: your sacred intelligence,
00:02:09.160 --> 00:02:14.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: which is that part of you that helps you to make intelligent choices
00:02:14.660 --> 00:02:17.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that manifest your greatness
00:02:17.430 --> 00:02:21.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: while helping others to manifest their greatness,
00:02:22.150 --> 00:02:24.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: breathe in
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00:02:44.150 --> 00:02:49.160 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that we are all a part of a shared humanity.
00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I am because of you,
00:02:53.650 --> 00:02:55.969 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you are because of me.
00:02:58.870 --> 00:03:00.630 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Breathe in
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00:03:03.430 --> 00:03:06.550 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that you are loved,
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00:03:20.010 --> 00:03:22.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that what you do matters,
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00:03:34.710 --> 00:03:37.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: knowing that you do not walk this journey alone
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00:03:46.650 --> 00:03:49.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: recognizing that the power of one
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00:03:56.330 --> 00:03:58.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'll take a deep breath in
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00:04:02.150 --> 00:04:03.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and Let's begin.
00:04:07.890 --> 00:04:27.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We all know that race is a social construct, and yet we cannot avoid its impact when we move throughout society, whether we want to be identified from a racial category, and not when people see us, they make all kinds of judgments and assumptions about who we are.
00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:42.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We understand one another, and we make meaning about people and situations simply based on how we show up the skin color that we show up in. We often fail to recognize the individuals,
00:04:43.460 --> 00:04:47.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is it possible to truly ever separate
00:04:47.340 --> 00:05:05.400 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who we are as being as spiritual beings? From how we show up in these earthly bodies? If we're all a part of a shared humanity. Why is it so difficult to value one another, and to see the divinity that is in each and every one of us.
00:05:06.010 --> 00:05:07.730 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So today
00:05:07.970 --> 00:05:21.130 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I would ask you the question, What happens when three people of different races and gender sit down to talk about race. Well, my guest, today we've had several opportunities to do so. My guest today
00:05:21.140 --> 00:05:46.110 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: are Jose Hernandez and Derek Ridall, and we actually met by being on another uh platform together. Our discussion was around what illuminates the soul, and I think we were so enthralled with one another that we made it our goal to stay in touch with one another, and we have these very dynamic conversations in formally
00:05:46.120 --> 00:06:02.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and in preparation for the show. We had a conversation that we said this could have been the show. But at last it was not because it was just us getting together to chat, so we will see what unfolds today, but each of us are committed
00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:07.460 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to understanding who we are, and who others are
00:06:07.640 --> 00:06:30.849 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: from this spiritual place, from this higher level of consciousness. But even with that we recognize that we show up racially, and we've had experiences that are vastly different, based on our race and based on our color. So we're going to get to it today, and we're going to have a conversation. We hope that you will join us, please.
00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:59.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Um. If you've not done so, we invite you to just make comments on the our Youtube Channel on talk, radio and Yc. And the show is dismantle. Racism, as you know. Please make comments. Let us know what you're thinking about the conversations we're having. We are live right now, and we'll try to get to your comments, so please chime in. So today I'm going to do something that I normally don't do. I usually give this big
00:06:59.610 --> 00:07:07.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: introduction and Bio and trust me, These two gentlemen are really really awesome, have extensive Bios, but
00:07:07.400 --> 00:07:23.420 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm gonna let them introduce themselves today. And so i'm going to start the question by really asking you to tell us, Tell the audience who you are. Give us a glimpse of who you are
00:07:23.430 --> 00:07:43.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and what informs your conversation today that we're going to have. Now that's a broad question, and I know how we do when we get to talking. So i'm gonna ask you, maybe in about a minute or two, if you could just share a little bit about who you are, and um, either of you can just jump in and get started.
00:07:44.980 --> 00:07:46.329 Derek Rydall: Go ahead. I'll say,
00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.900 Jose Hernandez: Okay, Well, my name is Jose Hernandez, and uh
00:07:51.110 --> 00:07:54.499 Jose Hernandez: grew up in the South Bronx. So New York radio
00:07:55.020 --> 00:07:57.859 Jose Hernandez: to chime out to you.
00:07:57.890 --> 00:08:06.589 Jose Hernandez: I'm living in British Columbia right now. Uh, it's very fortunate in my life that I was able to get into a program when I was in the South Branch that was called uh
00:08:06.690 --> 00:08:08.050 Jose Hernandez: uh
00:08:08.270 --> 00:08:10.020 Jose Hernandez: a college bound program,
00:08:10.320 --> 00:08:14.460 Jose Hernandez: and I was able to go through the school system, and and actually
00:08:15.030 --> 00:08:21.970 Jose Hernandez: it it became a lot of my buffer in between the life I was living in the street,
00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:28.389 Jose Hernandez: and and the opportunities that life can can kind of give us and and and put in front of us.
00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:34.070 Jose Hernandez: Uh. So I was able to go to university, became an electrical engineer.
00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.310 Jose Hernandez: And uh,
00:08:38.110 --> 00:08:44.750 Jose Hernandez: since I've become a transformational leader, my life has been pretty,
00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.020 Jose Hernandez: I guess. Uh
00:08:48.540 --> 00:08:56.010 Jose Hernandez: she got in many different directions. So I I I do have two back children, even though I am first nation.
00:08:56.250 --> 00:09:02.000 Jose Hernandez: I have two children that are mostly white, because my my first wife was Greek.
00:09:02.050 --> 00:09:09.530 Jose Hernandez: Uh. So they they are really like very light-skinned, and so I have an a an interesting dynamic of life
00:09:10.160 --> 00:09:18.130 Jose Hernandez: living in in this world that that is so rich in racism, and that's a not a good way to say it, but it's a fact.
00:09:18.290 --> 00:09:21.210 Jose Hernandez: And so uh
00:09:21.510 --> 00:09:30.770 Jose Hernandez: I did have an nd twenty years ago, and that really was the cornerstone of my life. It changed my life, and it it put me on a path that I believe
00:09:31.040 --> 00:09:39.559 Jose Hernandez: uh helped me understand life, because when when I had that experience of dying, I didn't learn anything about dying, I only learned about living,
00:09:39.690 --> 00:09:42.630 Jose Hernandez: and I hope that that insight
00:09:43.340 --> 00:09:50.399 Jose Hernandez: I will be able to bring some of that with me into this show with these two beautiful people, Carolyn and Derek, Are you
00:09:50.780 --> 00:10:01.250 Jose Hernandez: quite amazing, and and our friendship has has bloom like, she said, and and it's It's just grown and grown and grown. So I i'm really looking forward to this conversation.
00:10:01.880 --> 00:10:03.720 Jose Hernandez: That's a little bit about me.
00:10:03.790 --> 00:10:22.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Thank you. Thank you, Jose, and and we will get into your Near-death, experience in a bit, because I think that once you have that experience, and under this understand on this human experience, it helps to inform how we engage in this conversation on race and racism, Derek,
00:10:22.820 --> 00:10:24.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: tell us about you.
00:10:24.290 --> 00:10:48.710 Derek Rydall: Yeah. So. Um. The short version is like so many people I was on a journey of I've always been on a journey of seeking truth ever since I was a kid going to different homes, different religions, different races, every What if you had some unique and interesting background? I wanted to have a conversation as early as five years old. I wanted to understand, so I was always seeking truth.
00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:55.400 Derek Rydall: And then and in, and I What I found in a lot of the religions especially was um
00:10:55.410 --> 00:11:14.590 Derek Rydall: not the truth I was. I knew there was the truth somewhere, but I I saw a lot of hypocrisy, and I saw a lot of people not being nice to each other, and racism and judgment and prejudice, and I I didn't understand it. And so I actually rejected God, and even the Word God and all of that. But I was still on a search,
00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:42.050 Derek Rydall: and in my twenties I was suffering a lot from depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies. And I um ended up almost dying uh doing all this self help and all this self improvement, and The only thing it improved was my ability to describe why my life was so screwed up. I got really good at that, and the at the drive to fix my life to heal from my childhood, to
00:11:42.060 --> 00:11:48.279 Derek Rydall: feel good about myself, drove me ultimately to drugs and alcohol, and to almost dying from an overdose,
00:11:48.290 --> 00:12:08.059 Derek Rydall: and and that wasn't quite enough yet to crack me open. You know. I had a very thick head, and still pretty stubborn, but it set me on a new path, and I began again and tried to again figure out. There's got to be a way to What's the truth about life? What's the truth about me to feel good about myself, to be connected to others.
00:12:08.070 --> 00:12:13.600 Derek Rydall: And then, while I was doing a film in Jamaica, I
00:12:13.820 --> 00:12:23.520 Derek Rydall: almost drowned, and again nearly died, and had a near-death experience. So we kind of have that in common, and I didn't go all the way to the other side. But in that moment of
00:12:23.530 --> 00:12:52.590 Derek Rydall: believing that without going to the whole story, I knew I was going to drown, and I was stuck underwater in a wreath, and nobody knew I was out there, and there was a moment of trying to bargain with God, and then a moment of complete surrender that God wasn't! Making a deal that day there was only surrender unconditionally, and in that moment something cracked open, and there was a flash of light, and I saw for the first time that the self I had been trying to fix and heal and improve
00:12:52.600 --> 00:13:02.440 Derek Rydall: was a fiction was an amalgamation of peer pressure and societal conditioning and parental fantasies, and that
00:13:02.560 --> 00:13:19.179 Derek Rydall: there was nothing I would ever do That would make that guy good enough. But but I also saw that simultaneously there was a self that was behind it, or all around it that had never been damaged or hurt, and so he didn't need to be fixed,
00:13:19.190 --> 00:13:25.640 Derek Rydall: and he was already, or it was already whole, and so it couldn't actually be improved upon.
00:13:25.650 --> 00:13:47.050 Derek Rydall: That self. Improvement was an oxymoron. That fixing yourself was the recipe for hurting yourself ultimately, and It was a flash, but it radically shifted everything, and I was Dr. I was literally stuck under the water in the next instant, somehow, I still don't know. I was standing on the coral reef outside, looking down to where i'd been stuck,
00:13:47.060 --> 00:13:57.449 Derek Rydall: and I was able to go over the other side and become free. But my whole life had changed. Humpty Dumpty had fallen off the the the wall, and I tried to become a monk,
00:13:57.460 --> 00:14:10.819 Derek Rydall: and uh the monk thing didn't work for me A couple of weeks of fasting and silence, and I was breaking into the monk's kitchen and stealing food, and I way they were like you are not a monk, kid and um. But I went into this inner journey
00:14:10.830 --> 00:14:25.829 Derek Rydall: to understand what it happened, and ultimately that led to the work I do now as a spiritual teacher and coach. Nothing i'd ever planned. Um, but it's so radically shifted me to help people understand that
00:14:25.910 --> 00:14:34.069 Derek Rydall: everything that they're seeking out there. They brought it all with them, and no matter what conditions you are planted in,
00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:45.150 Derek Rydall: when you understand who you really are, and know how to create the conditions within yourself, that destiny, that potential, that power, will emerge in your life.
00:14:45.160 --> 00:15:04.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So, Derek, this is a great place for us to take a break, as our listening audience can see. There. We could really be talking about near death experiences. We could be talking about spirituality, all of that on the show. But when we come back, you know, I want to get into how even our
00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:23.990 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being in this world as as spiritual leaders, spiritual teachers, how that really informs the ways in which we move throughout the world, the reality of it of what we face as well as how do we continue to stay uh grounded in in
00:15:24.090 --> 00:15:38.079 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: who we are is spiritual beings, but also connecting with who we are racially. So we're gonna dig in a little bit deeper when we come back we have to take a break. This is the dismantle racism show. I'm your host, The Reverend Dr. Telsey, will be right back.
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00:17:53.240 --> 00:18:07.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with the dismantled racism. Show my guest today are Jose Hannah Hernandez. Excuse me and Derek right all before the break. We were really talking about uh both Jose and Derek
00:18:07.350 --> 00:18:24.549 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: shared with us some near-death experiences that they've had, and how it changes us really um in the ways in which we think about who we are as these earthly creatures. You know our divine cells have been compressed into these bodies,
00:18:24.610 --> 00:18:48.030 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and it's really great for us to talk about being these spiritual beings. And as Derek, you know, you were sharing about emerging and being the best of who you are, and those are the messages that we all carry out to people. I carry out people manifesting your greatness. Don't get, you know, caught up in how the world to find you. And yet,
00:18:48.630 --> 00:18:54.159 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and yet we know that the ways in which we show up in these bodies
00:18:54.500 --> 00:18:58.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people make judgments, as I said about us, and they treat us differently.
00:18:58.710 --> 00:19:05.939 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So if you all don't mind. There was a conversation that we had. I don't know maybe a couple of weeks ago, when we were talking,
00:19:05.950 --> 00:19:22.519 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and one of us. I don't remember who it was, made a comment about Derek as a white man. Right? We said. Well, you know as a white man, Derek blah, blah, and Derek was like, Well, I don't like you guys, basically i'm paraphrasing, but like Don't lump me in the category as
00:19:22.610 --> 00:19:28.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: all white people and all white men, and of course my response was, I understand
00:19:28.900 --> 00:19:34.239 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you're not all. But people do that to us all The time is people of color,
00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:40.449 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and Jose very gently said: Derek, tell us what is like for you
00:19:41.030 --> 00:19:47.979 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to be a white man, and what your experiences are, what that feels like to you and your body.
00:19:47.990 --> 00:20:10.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I actually would like to ask uh Derek if you would share that. And then, Jose, I would love after Derek is done if you would share, maybe, what your experience is to be in the body of a first nation and um lat next man as well, and then balancing this spiritual walk that we're on. So
00:20:10.940 --> 00:20:12.539 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Derek talk to us.
00:20:12.610 --> 00:20:30.099 Derek Rydall: Yeah, um. I have a lot of jokes I would like to say, but I won't. I'll just stick to the point, You know. I think we we all are given a curriculum when we show up here. Right we have. We're given the body. We type. The body issues the body color, the gender,
00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:55.730 Derek Rydall: you know, sometimes the wrong gender and the right gender and the wrong body. We're given a family. We're given a a culture we're given all of these data points that are is our curriculum, and that's how I view it. And so but specifically, what's interesting is for me. Um being in the body of a white man, has Hasn't really been a thing I've thought a lot about
00:20:55.820 --> 00:21:10.490 Derek Rydall: uh intel, Let's say recent years. Although I was, I was raised in a black church, mostly black church. You know my the best man at my wedding and my children's godparents. So I I actually ironically related more
00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:22.559 Derek Rydall: to them to people in my church and to I. You know I I actually had an admiration and a more of a desire to be in that body, ironically enough, but so I but it not until probably the last
00:21:22.600 --> 00:21:38.240 Derek Rydall: I don't know. Let's say five, ten years or so have I thought a lot about, and even more so recently, with the great movement around um ending racism again. Uh, and it is an interesting experiment like to experience. I think one of the things you said was
00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:51.990 Derek Rydall: kind of jokingly tongue in cheek like, Well, how do you like it, or How does it feel, you know, like like It's an interesting putting the shoe on the other foot to experience what it feels like to be defined by that, and I think we're in a time right now, where
00:21:52.130 --> 00:22:09.279 Derek Rydall: that's increasingly what's up and uh, and it's It's important. It was important for me in that conversation. What was so important was I was able to actually see what that felt like, and to have a whole new level of empathy,
00:22:09.290 --> 00:22:32.609 Derek Rydall: because I've had a lot of other experiences with some people. Maybe haven't a lot of physical challenges, you know, tragedy. So we all have different challenges that we know that our lived experiences, but being defined by my race, I was the fish in water. The water was invisible to me, right. I might have been getting all kinds of privileges and benefits. Indeed I was and am, but I wasn't
00:22:32.620 --> 00:22:33.870 Derek Rydall: aware of it,
00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:56.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and tell really, really, honestly, that moment was a defining moment. I think I think I could see something went off in your head. But we were having this conversation because we had such a reaction to like. Like. Wait, don't put me in that that category, Derek. I want to just jump to Jose for quick, so we could hear a little bit about
00:22:56.220 --> 00:22:59.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: uh for you as well, Jose.
00:22:59.570 --> 00:23:03.900 Jose Hernandez: Well, my experience has been really interesting because I I've experienced it
00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:06.550 Jose Hernandez: a tremendous amount of racism
00:23:06.690 --> 00:23:10.299 Jose Hernandez: profiling uh. So it it.
00:23:10.730 --> 00:23:23.510 Jose Hernandez: You're aware of a lot more things than maybe Derek might. Well, then, I don't know exactly what he's aware of, because I don't know what his experience is. I mean. I understand that just like us, he feels the same thing we feel,
00:23:23.570 --> 00:23:38.519 Jose Hernandez: and and we express it in different ways. But just from living in the street when I was going up. Uh that is a big part of your life. So uh you you're aware of that, and i'm not black, so I don't know what it's like to to to be in those shoes.
00:23:38.530 --> 00:23:44.240 Jose Hernandez: I know what it's like to be in my shoes, and even from my own personal family right.
00:23:44.310 --> 00:23:54.420 Jose Hernandez: Uh when my father was uh from a different mom who was first nation uh, and and my uncles, who were from two,
00:23:55.030 --> 00:23:57.520 Jose Hernandez: you know Caucasian parents right.
00:23:57.590 --> 00:24:05.570 Jose Hernandez: Uh, because we were darker. They would just kind of like me and my little brother, were you the dark one? So you know. Uh,
00:24:05.930 --> 00:24:11.300 Jose Hernandez: so it it. It kind of sticks to you, and uh,
00:24:12.370 --> 00:24:15.829 Jose Hernandez: what I can share is that when I had my experience
00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:19.809 Jose Hernandez: and I became aware of that,
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:22.240 this is not who I am.
00:24:25.830 --> 00:24:28.490 Jose Hernandez: That's what helped me to understand what
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.169 Jose Hernandez: maybe what we're all going to
00:24:32.510 --> 00:24:34.960 Jose Hernandez: that. That's what really put like that
00:24:35.070 --> 00:24:50.100 Jose Hernandez: far right on the inside here. This is This is the experience of life. But this is who you really are. And uh, you know, i'm i'm just gonna say it like this. Maybe, uh, we most of us are not going to be able to choose when and where we're gonna die,
00:24:51.660 --> 00:25:09.340 Jose Hernandez: or we can choose how we live our life. And I think this is where this conversation is going to wind up going. How do we choose to live this life? And how do we want to look at other people, and and I will share this with with everyone. So they get an understanding of
00:25:11.250 --> 00:25:15.179 Jose Hernandez: from a cultural perspective. When When I go into a sweat.
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:20.229 Jose Hernandez: It's very dark, and we can't see anything. You can't see your hand in front of you.
00:25:20.410 --> 00:25:21.890 Jose Hernandez: I am not
00:25:21.990 --> 00:25:24.849 Jose Hernandez: this body anymore. I am not this color.
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.250 Jose Hernandez: We're all one.
00:25:28.370 --> 00:25:32.349 Jose Hernandez: We know. Other people are there, but we don't have that
00:25:33.170 --> 00:25:41.160 Jose Hernandez: thing that I see you as a black person. I see you as a white person. I see you as a brown person that goes away.
00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:44.530 Jose Hernandez: But the minute I come out of there
00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:46.430 Jose Hernandez: that comes back
00:25:47.080 --> 00:26:00.970 Jose Hernandez: right so. Uh, and i'm very aware, because, uh, I know my two of my children have an easier life than two of my other children, my two other children. So my two black children have a much more difficult
00:26:01.760 --> 00:26:02.850 Jose Hernandez: pass.
00:26:02.990 --> 00:26:03.930 Hmm.
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:18.660 Jose Hernandez: Then my two white kids, and and it's kind of interesting, you know, to be in the middle of that, and observe it, and then have my own experience, because my two white children Don't, identify with being first nation
00:26:18.820 --> 00:26:21.569 Jose Hernandez: at all. They are white,
00:26:22.020 --> 00:26:24.570 Jose Hernandez: and my two black kids are back.
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.559 Jose Hernandez: So it's It's an interesting
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.040 Jose Hernandez: thing, but
00:26:30.590 --> 00:26:32.340 Jose Hernandez: it taught me one thing.
00:26:33.370 --> 00:26:36.549 Jose Hernandez: I don't care what color we are, all the same.
00:26:37.010 --> 00:26:38.120 Yeah,
00:26:38.340 --> 00:26:42.399 Jose Hernandez: we all we all we all have that. And
00:26:43.300 --> 00:26:57.409 Jose Hernandez: if we could only get past that fear that drives fear is the driver of racism. If I start fearing that I'm gonna lose something or I'm not gonna have something that I think should be mine.
00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:11.380 Jose Hernandez: Then you know, we we we can put this to somehow to bed somewhere and and and let it slowly free out of our lives.
00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:30.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I I love how you describe that in the darkness. We're all one, and we can connect with the fact that we're all one, and on my best days as a spiritual leader. I can also connect with that, because I don't think that spiritually there's a difference between
00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:34.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the three of us that are on here. And yet
00:27:34.520 --> 00:28:03.069 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I know that I so completely identify with being a black woman. In fact, when I come again, I if I have a choice which I believe I had a choice this time, I will come back as a black woman just because I love it just that much. And so it's interesting how there is this Um, this pull sometimes with wanting to connect with how we show up in these bodies and the cultures that we're in. But yet, knowing
00:28:03.130 --> 00:28:14.899 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that I am more than this, and that's the thing that drives me every day. That's the thing that helps me to have grace for people like when they burn down um
00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:33.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: my church, like they did in two thousand and twenty, is that I can have grace for that person, while at the same time saying that they should be held accountable for it, because I know that he is more than the individual who decided to set the church on fire. That's not always easy, though
00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:39.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it's not always easy when i'm in those places, and people are
00:28:39.370 --> 00:28:54.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: looking at me in a particular way, following me around a store, or when I drive through the neighborhood, and I see certain flags that are posted, you know, in my neck of the woods. I'm like Let me get out of here, you know, because I don't know what's coming at me.
00:28:54.870 --> 00:29:24.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We should take that we should dig into that. But at the same time it's like, there's this push and full, and so, thank goodness that that we have these experiences where we know that we're more than and so that is our queue that we absolutely need to take another quick break, and when we come back we will dig right into the to that whole thing about going through the neighborhoods and the experiences that we have. Uh, but we're going to be right back with our guest today. This is the dismantle
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00:31:26.810 --> 00:31:37.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with my guest today, Jose Hernandez and Derek right all, and you know, before the show uh before the break I mentioned about um
00:31:37.320 --> 00:31:48.259 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: being feeling unsafe sometimes driving through certain neighborhoods. But before we dig into that a little bit I want to give uh Derek a little bit more of an opportunity to say
00:31:48.300 --> 00:31:57.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: why it is that you responded in in the way that you did. Why, you took an issue with Uh in our conversation
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:20.450 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about being described, or being labeled as a white man, and really speaking to this point of If I could use a a Biblical reference of where the Bible says, be transformed, uh, by the renewing of your mind and don't conform to the ways of the world. I actually just preach about that a couple of Sundays ago, and that's really what we're called to do is not to conform
00:32:20.580 --> 00:32:45.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to what the world says right would be at these higher level. So Derek jump right in there and and tell us what was what I got in your system when yeah, you also just opened up a whole other channel for me. I know I know, I focus conform by the way, to the world. Yeah, do you want to be a bigger, bigger influence in the world? You need to become uninfluenced by the world. That's a whole. Another topic. But
00:32:45.050 --> 00:32:53.220 Derek Rydall: um yeah, I mean the the the original. First of all, it's an interesting thing how, even though I have an issue with that definition. I recognize
00:32:53.230 --> 00:33:14.099 Derek Rydall: the gift of that experience, because, as I said, it gave me an experience, a a felt experience. But my issue with. It is more about as we're correcting, and in trying to, you know, resolve or reconcile the racial issue against people of color, black people and Latino people and all kinds of people. Um! There's the danger of over correcting
00:33:14.110 --> 00:33:30.690 Derek Rydall: and and ironically doing the same thing, but in reverse, so defining me by my color of my skin, or by or anybody by the color of their skin, is just racism, and and by another name, as we as we know that
00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:46.990 Derek Rydall: and what I see happening in the world right now, as there's this very important movement, you know. Black lives, matter, and even even the the me, too. Movement around men and women is an over correction that is only going to create more
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:56.220 Derek Rydall: damage down the line and more push back as we see that happening. And, in fact, we have a crisis right now of of men,
00:33:56.230 --> 00:34:13.100 Derek Rydall: for first of all, and white and black men of a certain class, where they are killing themselves at a higher rate. They're stuck in their parents basement. They're not graduating, and so i'm concerned about that crisis, and i'm concerned that we don't
00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:31.439 Derek Rydall: hurt each other and hurt the other, and do more other ring. So that was really the main um purpose behind that. But again I saw the gift in that, and I could take it and feel the little Ouch! And then process it myself. But a lot of white people or white men can't
00:34:31.449 --> 00:34:50.270 Derek Rydall: they take it? They feel shame, they feel pain, and then they get angry, and then they do bad things, either to themselves or they just give up, and in all of that. So that's not going to help us. And so that was my my main issue with that. And I also understand,
00:34:50.280 --> 00:35:17.730 Derek Rydall: You know racism and prejudice is not a white or a European or an American issue. It's a human issue. It's in every color, in every culture, throughout all of history. And so my bigger concern, or my bigger movement or desire to help heal, is that at its lay the acts at the root of the problem of where, how we other, how we judge how we protect, how we project,
00:35:17.740 --> 00:35:32.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and how we're not really in the world, but the whole world is really in us,
00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:50.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and describing what you believe is how white men respond to this conversation around race. Because I think that you're right, because many respond in fear. That's what Jose was talking about a little bit earlier, like, you know, this stuff is based in,
00:35:50.710 --> 00:35:56.409 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then there's a part of me when I hear you talk, Think?
00:35:56.600 --> 00:36:02.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Wow! So now the onus has to be on us as people of color
00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:23.340 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that we now have to be careful, and I get what you're saying totally get it that we can't do the same things that necessarily have been done to us. But then it also I just have to let you know. Might feel like It's now an extra layer of something that I've got to do. I've got to know. Wonder how i'm going to use you because you're on the show. How's Derek going to feel
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:50.029 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about this? And I try to do that in my work in general. But i'm just speaking Now I am sort of kind of speaking from the perspective of what I have heard many black people say, especially when we are in these inter racial dialogue. We always feel like we have to take care of white folks, and it's a burden. But I I understand from the spiritual place what you're saying. But I also just want to let you know from
00:36:50.200 --> 00:36:51.560 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: did this.
00:36:51.570 --> 00:37:21.559 Derek Rydall: This we have to. We have to the the the hard, difficult truth is, yes, there are certain principles and practices that every single human being has to learn and ultimately get better at, whether you're white, black, male, female, gay, straight, trans or other. Um, he, she or they to learn how to be more sensitive, more empathic to understand your impact you're making, even if you're
00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:25.680 Derek Rydall: being victimized. If you want to be part of the solution.
00:37:25.770 --> 00:37:41.279 Derek Rydall: You can feel like a victim and want to get back or feel like It's not fair I shouldn't have to, or and that's normal, or we can recognize that. But nevertheless, what's actually going to solve this problem
00:37:41.750 --> 00:37:48.920 Derek Rydall: sustainably. Yes, it's hard. It's a lot of work. It's not fair, Absolutely not. And nevertheless,
00:37:49.100 --> 00:38:06.710 Derek Rydall: what's actually going to lead to healing? And this is what I think, Dr. King demonstrated Gandhi, demonstrated Nelson Mandela demonstrated got out of there after twenty-seven years of unfair prison, and did forgiveness. Tribunals. He could be like Now I gotta take care of all these guys that victimize me
00:38:06.850 --> 00:38:14.180 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: right. That's the hard truth. Yeah, Eric Eric. There is a reality
00:38:15.190 --> 00:38:17.180 Jose Hernandez: that we're not seeing.
00:38:17.370 --> 00:38:20.639 Jose Hernandez: If we look at everything that way. I am brown.
00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:24.679 Jose Hernandez: Carolyn is black, you are white;
00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:28.220 Jose Hernandez: that to reality there should be no shame in that ever.
00:38:28.410 --> 00:38:39.040 Derek Rydall: If I say you're a white man, you should never feel shame from that, or bad or shame, I didn't feel that it is that reality.
00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:42.440 Jose Hernandez: And And what i'm saying
00:38:42.570 --> 00:39:00.450 Jose Hernandez: is, we need to find wholeness in who we are, we need to find wholeness in ourselves. We need to feel that we are good enough that we're not less. I'm not less because i'm Brown or first nation or black, or my kids are less because they're black. We we're equal, but
00:39:00.460 --> 00:39:08.759 Jose Hernandez: we also have to deal with the reality of what is in this world. So right now, today you look at the division in this world,
00:39:09.650 --> 00:39:14.790 Jose Hernandez: and it's right in your face, and when you say black lives, matter
00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:20.579 Jose Hernandez: kind of like it. It's almost like That's a negative thing. We got to get past that.
00:39:21.230 --> 00:39:24.269 Jose Hernandez: But but first we got to realize that that's a fact.
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.520 Derek Rydall: Who said that I didn't.
00:39:26.610 --> 00:39:39.259 Jose Hernandez: No, I just said, there's the danger of overcorrecting by doing the same. You gotta recognize the problem before you over correct, and the problem is when I recognize it. So right now
00:39:39.330 --> 00:39:53.420 Jose Hernandez: there's so many what people would call red, which is derogatory first nation people they find in their bodies all over the place right in these residential schools. So we're saying,
00:39:54.030 --> 00:39:55.870 Jose Hernandez: every child matters
00:39:57.160 --> 00:40:00.280 right and and and that's what a feather!
00:40:01.910 --> 00:40:19.430 Jose Hernandez: But but there has to be an awareness that that these things are happening and that they're real. You can't sugar code them and make believe they're not real. And And now we're over correcting. We're not over correcting. First, we have to understand the issue and recognize it and say, Yes, that was real. This is real.
00:40:19.750 --> 00:40:38.370 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now how do we all hold hands and move forward together, and I think that's what this Matthew and Racism is really about right. And so I just want to say, particularly from my perspective. Just as a psychologist we can heal from a problem until we acknowledge the problem. And I think one of the things that happens,
00:40:38.380 --> 00:40:42.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly as we talk about these interracial conversations where
00:40:42.840 --> 00:41:01.480 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Black and I'm gonna use black because I can only speak, speak from my perspective where we feel like we're often having to take care of other people in the room. It's something that we've done historically, and so till we can get to the point where we can speak
00:41:01.490 --> 00:41:03.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what is our truth,
00:41:03.210 --> 00:41:13.929 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and and and white people don't feel shame about it, because when I teach my courses I never teach from a place of shame or guilt. In fact,
00:41:13.970 --> 00:41:29.479 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what I try to do is to get white people to honor who they are, who they are as a being, as a spiritual being, and less move from there because shame and guilt has. They have no place in the healing process. But yet
00:41:29.620 --> 00:41:32.989 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we have to recognize who we are,
00:41:33.090 --> 00:41:52.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: our privileges, how we show up in the world, I mean, Hey, there's certain privileges I have just simply because of my degree status, my leadership status. And if I don't honor that I would never be able to see the people who are different from me. And so I think this is really really like a great
00:41:52.090 --> 00:41:56.219 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: conversation to say that there are steps
00:41:56.290 --> 00:42:10.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to dismantling racism. There are steps to getting to that place of where we are uh beings like we're heavenly being, spiritual beings. Whatever divine beings we're having this human experience that
00:42:11.060 --> 00:42:12.870 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we have to remember that
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:42.859 Derek Rydall: we have to get to the place where we can remember that. And you know, with the stuff that happens I want to make sure that the communication is is absolutely impeccable, because this happened the last time we talked. So I want to be very clear. I didn't say, and i'm not saying there isn't a problem that shouldn't be addressed with the full force of our humanity and our legislative powers, and
00:42:42.870 --> 00:42:56.560 Derek Rydall: all of that. It was a specific response to a specific moment, and it wasn't personally about me. I personally don't need you to hold my hand and cod on me. I'm speaking on behalf, we can
00:42:56.570 --> 00:43:26.549 Derek Rydall: you at each other, and we have done the work, and we have a level of awareness right? We can self-refle and do the work. I'm speaking on behalf of all the people that aren't yet capable of that. And And when I and I'm also speaking on behalf of what I believe are the greatest role models of how to end racism and prejudice like a gone. Do you like a Dr. King like a mandela like a Jesus to me? They gave us a model that's the model that I endeavor to live, and what I. And so that's all I'm speaking.
00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:36.060 Derek Rydall: But i'm not in any way saying, you must see things as they are. You must deal with the actual problem. You must acknowledge it exists
00:43:36.100 --> 00:44:05.309 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hundred percent. And I'm, a hundred percent advocates almost want to be very clear. I'm not saying, Oh, the the problems over racism is over. Now let's just skip to. I know. I'm definitely not saying, Hold on! We have to actually take a quick break. So I want you to come back and to be able to share what you're sharing. And, Derek, I want to acknowledge that. Yes, we I think we understood that you were talking about in general, and not, and I just needed you and our audience to know that this is what
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:14.589 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what it feels like to us for, Jose, Please hold your thought. We're going to be right back in just a couple of minutes. We'll be right back,
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00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:43.279 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with the dismantle racism show. I want to just tell our listeners. They just witness what happens when the three of us are having our private two hour conversations. They they're never less than than two hours. But, Jose, why don't you jump in there and and share what you wanted to share before the break?
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:48.699 Jose Hernandez: None of us take this personally, because we we understand that we're just speaking truth.
00:46:49.220 --> 00:46:59.949 Jose Hernandez: But you know, when when I hear you speak Derek, I I wonder why it's okay for me to be called Brown or Latino, and I accept that without,
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:09.749 Jose Hernandez: and and and it's it back. My kids are called black, but some like is a white, and why some people feel trend when they're called white.
00:47:09.810 --> 00:47:23.730 Jose Hernandez: No, I didn't feel threatened. But let me finish Derek. Let me finish. I don't understand that I couldn't speak about certain things because I was white. That was the issue. Well, but but
00:47:23.740 --> 00:47:40.340 Jose Hernandez: it it's almost like it changes the status of where we are right if if it's okay for you to call me this, and I can't call you that then. And and yet we're not saying it in a derogatory way We're just saying what I what I believe is a fact. I'm very comfortable saying Italian.
00:47:40.350 --> 00:47:58.539 Jose Hernandez: I could. I could say to my kids, they back. I could say to you, black like, say i'm branded to say, and and it's a reality. I understand the reality. I never take offense to that, because that's what's real, and I think as as as people that we we we were transformational leaders, and we speak to a lot of people that it's very important that
00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:00.839 Jose Hernandez: we're comfortable. With that
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:05.070 Jose Hernandez: we got to be comfortable with who we are, because
00:48:05.350 --> 00:48:07.910 Jose Hernandez: in my physicality this is why I
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:14.100 Jose Hernandez: spiritually, we know a lot more. So, you know. And then just that, as as
00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:19.539 Jose Hernandez: I I mean, I can't imagine a world where everybody looks the same.
00:48:20.580 --> 00:48:26.209 Jose Hernandez: I think the flavor and the diversity of our skin tones alone
00:48:26.770 --> 00:48:28.359 Jose Hernandez: is
00:48:28.630 --> 00:48:32.550 Jose Hernandez: such a grace and gift.
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.900 Jose Hernandez: Yet some of us are made to feel shame because of it, or like we're less,
00:48:37.930 --> 00:48:57.780 Jose Hernandez: you know. So so, for example, my wife is East Indian. She's a totally different skin tone than me than than than her two black kids, and and and one of her black kids is a lot lighter than than the other. So it's like this incredible variety of color and different shades.
00:48:57.790 --> 00:48:59.999 Jose Hernandez: But at the end of the day.
00:49:00.570 --> 00:49:04.940 Jose Hernandez: My black son loves the same way my white son does.
00:49:06.540 --> 00:49:08.520 Jose Hernandez: He hurts the same way.
00:49:08.950 --> 00:49:15.449 Jose Hernandez: My black daughter hurts the same way my white daughter hurts. They laugh the same way when they feel joy,
00:49:15.710 --> 00:49:24.540 Jose Hernandez: and I think that's what this conversation has to be about. You know i'm blessed. I feel blessed to have that in my life.
00:49:24.570 --> 00:49:27.390 Jose Hernandez: And I'm. I'm getting a little emotional here, because this is
00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:30.549 Jose Hernandez: really important for people to understand,
00:49:32.260 --> 00:49:33.309 Jose Hernandez: you know,
00:49:33.390 --> 00:49:41.600 Jose Hernandez: and I think, through life so many people have been so wounded and hurt because
00:49:41.690 --> 00:49:45.159 Jose Hernandez: of the skin that they were born with.
00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:49.439 Jose Hernandez: And to me that skin
00:49:50.120 --> 00:49:57.319 Jose Hernandez: it's so important because it honors our ancestors. It just tells people where our ancestors are from
00:49:57.580 --> 00:50:05.090 Jose Hernandez: Doesn't say anything about me as a person. It doesn't say anything about my kids, you know, but I know
00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:14.999 Jose Hernandez: they do everything the same way. This never a different. They eat the same. They dress the same. They beat the same, maybe a little different because
00:50:15.710 --> 00:50:24.069 Jose Hernandez: of cultural issues and things like that. But otherwise I can't. I can't see in any of them anything that's different
00:50:24.770 --> 00:50:28.229 Jose Hernandez: other than the skin tone and the skin tone doesn't matter.
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:29.919 Hmm.
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.919 Jose Hernandez: And And I think it's very important for for us to understand that.
00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:53.439 Jose Hernandez: And and I understand why people feel the same. Derek don't get me wrong. I feel a lot of them feel the same thing. We feel it, and they might port it reverse races, whatever they want to call it. It doesn't matter, and it's odd that they would even call it reverse racism in some cases, right? I mean I.
00:50:53.480 --> 00:51:13.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We don't have time to get into that conversation, because we're almost out of time, because that's on, you know I knew we should be doing a two part. But, Jose, here's what I want to say, based on your United Nations that is, in your family that's beautiful, and it's really the way the world should be,
00:51:13.780 --> 00:51:33.529 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because ultimately, you know, we are just all interconnected, and we're these spiritual beings I used to past our church that was multicultural, and I loved when we would get together on Sundays in a big circle, and pray didn't matter the skin color didn't matter what part of the continent you you know, were from. It was just beautiful,
00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:41.510 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and saying that I also know that when you are in multi cultural families,
00:51:42.020 --> 00:51:45.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the ways in which we avoid hurting people
00:51:45.610 --> 00:52:05.490 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is to recognize that people have different experiences based on their skin color, and that's often my fear, uh, particularly uh well, when I talk to white people about when they say things like well, I don't see color right. Anybody who's taking a class with me will know. Wait a minute.
00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:27.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: That's not actually a good thing that you don't see color, and I understand that it comes from the era of the Civil Rights movement where parents taught their kids. You don't want to be rude. You want to be nice to everybody. And so it came from this place of love, and at the same time it does not allow us to recognize how we experience life. We'll listen.
00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:56.389 Derek Rydall: We are, though, at the end of the show. Can you believe it? Because this is probably I add one file, little little one final thing. Um, just to, because I think it's There's this three prong thing, which is, we need to learn to totally honor, value, respect, and understand the beauty and the gift of our differences, the many colors and qualities of infinite being appearing as individuals, so that there's because it's beautiful
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:26.380 Derek Rydall: all the colors, all the qualities, all the cultures, all the backgrounds. That's what makes life so magnificent. Variety is the spice of life. So that's one piece, and we need to honor it within ourselves. Learn to love and embrace all of our differences, because when that happens, you love the enemy within your own household, and the conflict you no longer see difference as a problem. And then third is, which is what I was speaking to. Not that we don't see color that we don't honor,
00:53:26.390 --> 00:53:28.560 but that we don't judge
00:53:28.910 --> 00:53:48.169 Derek Rydall: based on a particular difference of a person, and my experience in that conversation that I had the concern was that whether you're white, black, first nations, or whatever that we don't decide, because of that color or quality you don't get to play
00:53:48.180 --> 00:53:49.129 Derek Rydall: equally.
00:53:49.210 --> 00:53:57.340 Jose Hernandez: It was not a hundred percent. Derek. I just want to say one thing, and this is just
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:58.860 Jose Hernandez: look at the rainbow.
00:54:00.020 --> 00:54:17.430 Jose Hernandez: Look at the rainbow all those different colors, but they're all one, they all. When you unite all those colors, you get light, that that that light. But all those colors blend. They don't conflict, they don't fight, they just are.
00:54:17.450 --> 00:54:19.830 Jose Hernandez: And I think, as a humanity,
00:54:19.950 --> 00:54:25.400 Jose Hernandez: we need to be able to blend like that. And just be because we're a lot more
00:54:25.420 --> 00:54:34.279 Jose Hernandez: than the body. We know that we, the three of us. We talk about this all the time. I know i'm a lot more than this body. When I died I learned
00:54:35.670 --> 00:54:45.960 Jose Hernandez: I love this life number one to love this body because God gave me this, and this was for me. Only this is the only body I get,
00:54:46.060 --> 00:55:16.049 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I need to love that, and and and honor it and respect it. And I think my body needs to do a closing, and we got to celebrate it Right we do. And, Jose, I was like he was. Hey, I want to keep going, but we are at the end of the show, and I want to thank you. Jose Hernandez and Derek ride all on the show. Uh, I do want to invite you all to go to Sacred Intelligence, dot com and learn more about the programs that I am doing,
00:55:16.060 --> 00:55:31.749 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and you can find the information for Derek and Jose on our website as well, so that you can get in touch with them. So i'm going to ask you, Jose, and thirty seconds Do you have a closing meditation or words of wisdom for us.
00:55:32.180 --> 00:55:39.169 Jose Hernandez: Yes, I I am going to go back to that. We don't choose
00:55:39.610 --> 00:55:42.580 Jose Hernandez: when we come into this world, and when we leave it,
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:49.159 Jose Hernandez: but we choose the life that we live, and we're all going to struggle
00:55:49.430 --> 00:55:53.089 Jose Hernandez: There's going to be hard times for all of us. We're all going to be hurt.
00:55:53.250 --> 00:55:58.980 Jose Hernandez: But God gave us a tank full of love when He makes,
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:04.139 Jose Hernandez: and and He charged us with one thing, one thing only,
00:56:04.490 --> 00:56:05.879 Jose Hernandez: he said,
00:56:18.050 --> 00:56:21.110 Jose Hernandez: So I asked you all
00:56:21.450 --> 00:56:31.750 Jose Hernandez: to take the love that's been given to you by Creator or God, What! The God of your belief. And even here Don't, be afraid to love.
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:59.759 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Be afraid not to love beautiful, beautiful Jose. Thank you for that. I want to thank you all, both for being on my show today. It was a delight. I want to thank the listening audience, and I want to invite you to stay tuned for the conscious consultant hour with Sam Leibowitz, where he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease and joy. Be well, be safe, Be encouraged until next time, Bye for now.
00:56:59.770 --> 00:57:07.909 Jose Hernandez: Goodbye, everybody. Thank you, Derek. The beautiful people! What a blessing! And be here! Take care
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