WHAT WILL THE AUDIENCE LEARN?
The audience will learn about The Potentialist from a healthcare perspective that will be shifted with Technology and Innovation over the next 30 Years.
The audience will also learn Ben's take on Commitment to optimal health today can make affordable healthy longevity possible for many people.
And the audience will learn about expanding medical technology – especially as more healthcare is now doable at home, post-pandemic and the genetic testing models of Crisper as well as the Artificial Intelligence and Cloud Based computing models will have stronger influence over Radiology, Pharmacy, Caregivers, Nurses and Specialists.
Phyllis will be able to address questions of this impact on health professionals while James will be able to provide insight into how people are advocating this innovation.
EPISODE SUMMARY:
Ben Lytle Returns to Frank About Health to discuss some of the key points mentioned in his book The Potentialist which were not fully explored until we were able to bring back Phyllis Quinlan and James Swanson to provide the medical professional and economic perspectives respectively.
Throughout the show we begin to understand the power that we all have to leverage innovation when being your own advocate and we get further confirmation that this is an ongoing revolution that we can choose to participate in to fully embrace the technological shift that has occurred in healthcare and our overall environment.
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00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:35.359 Frank R. Harrison: Hey, everybody! Welcome to a new episode of Frank about health.
00:00:35.370 --> 00:01:03.319 Frank R. Harrison: This episode is a return of Mr. Ben Litel and another return of James Swanson. Both of them have been on the show before talking about healthcare innovation, talking about new technologies, talking about the importance of understanding that in this New World that we're living in Host Covid, that a lot of the innovations that we've noticed like telehealth as well as special genetic testing opportunities, testing with radiology exams and stuff like that are going to be the new norm and
00:01:03.330 --> 00:01:19.179 Frank R. Harrison: mit ctl. And And if you remember, we also spoke about Ben Lidel's book, the potentialist where he talked about how the next thirty years is going to be a very innovative one in how we learn about how to look towards our own healthcare, where, for example, retirement will be known as refinement one hundred and fifty.
00:01:19.190 --> 00:01:38.610 Frank R. Harrison: At the same time. We have to be mindful about how we are taking charge, and being our own advocate, even as a patient. Our My co-host, Phyllis Quinlan will be joining us later in the hour, but at the same time we wanted to have this follow up show, because if any of you recall from the last episode with Ben, we discussed about how
00:01:38.620 --> 00:02:01.290 Frank R. Harrison: and I quote uh Ben, saying, Medical innovation is another show, and I exactly said, we will have to have one Here we are, so that, all being said, I Thank you again, Ben, for taking the time to do this show, because you know, i'm looking towards the future as i'm sure a lot of your readers are, and a lot of other people you've spoken to on various podcasts, but
00:02:01.370 --> 00:02:17.489 Frank R. Harrison: I think that there's no best preparation, and continually being prepared, and having this second show is like a kind of confirmation, or a kind of a reminder like reminder to get this book first of all, but at the same time to be mindful that
00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:31.530 Frank R. Harrison: mit ctl and one's quality of life, and one's healthcare management is their own and i've been saying that on this show for fifty-five plus episodes now and now I'm. Hopefully going to swing this home with you and with James and with Phyllis when she comes on two hundred and fifty,
00:02:31.540 --> 00:02:54.350 Frank R. Harrison: and we can really leave the audience with a lot of direction for the future. So I haven't yet fully titled this episode in my mind. I'm thinking that it is health care in the future or medical innovation for a healthier future. But either way, when it's finally promoted to all the appropriate channels that talk. Radio Nyc and our Youtube Channel are hosting.
00:02:54.360 --> 00:03:11.760 Frank R. Harrison: It'll definitely have its place where it needs to be seen and understood by everyone who's watching and listening
00:03:11.770 --> 00:03:30.119 Frank R. Harrison: of this platform towards a healthier future with Phyllis, and I'm. Hoping that this show will be the pivot that I've been looking for all along, and I guess. In time we will see that evolved. But I did definitely want to answer further questions that may arise from Phyllis when she comes in, because she was unfortunately,
00:03:30.130 --> 00:03:42.480 Frank R. Harrison: erez agmoni, not able to join us last time. But I also wanted you to further expand on healthcare innovations after all, on Frank about health, even though your book covers much more. I haven't changed education one hundred and fifty
00:03:42.490 --> 00:03:50.619 Frank R. Harrison: mit ctl. And industry. But we we still are looking at the the focus that if you don't have your health, you really don't have anything else to focus on. So one hundred and fifty.
00:03:50.630 --> 00:04:03.630 Frank R. Harrison: This is where I'm: just glad that both of you are here to really, you know, picking back off of each other and bring some of your concepts together that you're both familiar with from your experience in in government as well as in finance. And
00:04:03.640 --> 00:04:19.760 Frank R. Harrison: at the same time my my whole knowledge of health care, is really self-taught through advocacy, training and through the education system. So I've had actually learning as a student as well. So again thank you, Ben, for being here, and of course, James, thank you for always coming,
00:04:20.510 --> 00:04:21.430 you know.
00:04:21.950 --> 00:04:44.699 Ben Lytle: So, Ben, how how has life been in the last two weeks since you were last year? It's just been just wonderful. My wife! My life, thank goodness, is the is always just pretty wonderful. So so i'm in. I'm enjoying this very much, and enjoying it out, talking about the book and talking about the future and trying to raise awareness. That's what all My, i'm mine's all about
00:04:44.710 --> 00:04:59.699 Ben Lytle: It's trying to wear. Raise awareness to prepare now for the greatest period to change in human history. And uh, and do it now, don't wait. So that's what I I I feel a little bit like the town crier here. So
00:04:59.710 --> 00:05:25.920 Frank R. Harrison: well you did say that we are in our fourth Industrial Revolution, right? And you did point out that even though this book talks about the next thirty years. A lot of the change is happening now. A lot of people might be aware of it or are sensing that there's change happening, but you are bringing it to light and much quicker, especially for the whether it's the Gen. Z population that needs to learn
00:05:25.930 --> 00:05:35.590 Frank R. Harrison: erez Agmoni a new way of our future, but at the same time the elderly population. And I think you also mentioned on the last show, that, as far as medical professionals are concerned, one hundred and fifty
00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:53.720 Frank R. Harrison: there uh is not as much easy replacement, especially as they are aging out or retiring early, or or maybe because of burnout issues during the pandemic they have left their career. They wanted to make changes, but we didn't have enough replacement for those doctors that we one hundred and fifty
00:05:53.730 --> 00:05:56.869 Frank R. Harrison: partners that we weren't able to sustain.
00:05:57.500 --> 00:06:13.179 Ben Lytle: Yeah, it's it's part of the it's part of a a broader uh change that's going on Frank, and it's one of the four change forces that I speak to in the book which is uh changing demographics. Uh, and and
00:06:13.190 --> 00:06:30.859 Ben Lytle: we've all grown grown up uh thinking over population. That's all we you know. That's pretty much what we taught. We all saw a lot of really rotten movies about over population and all of the effects uh, but that Isn't and Hasn't been
00:06:30.870 --> 00:06:38.570 Ben Lytle: the primary concern for people who have been paying attention to this for the past twenty, five years. It's actually under population,
00:06:38.620 --> 00:06:58.289 Ben Lytle: and it's not uh imagination. It's not speculation. It's Actually, it has already occurred, and it's continuing to occur in developed countries. Well, just to set the baseline uh in any country, any population. You have to have two point, one children,
00:06:58.300 --> 00:07:08.999 Ben Lytle: her female on average, to keep the population flat. The stunning thing is is not one single developed country in the world is at two point, one, two,
00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:21.830 Ben Lytle: they're from one point seven down down to as low as one point zero in South Korea, and in a few other places Japan is almost there
00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:34.179 Ben Lytle: mit ctl. And and in in a lot of Western Europe which we all love to go to on vacation. You know Italy, Spain. They're they're at one point three, and that's essentially a free fall. Two hundred and fifty
00:07:34.190 --> 00:07:45.780 Ben Lytle: mit ctl, and that means that in a few generations that population will be a minority in their own country, and a few generations after that they could cease to exist, or or virtually cease to exist one hundred and fifty.
00:07:45.840 --> 00:08:04.340 Ben Lytle: But you know again these this this been known. There was a terrific book written in two thousand and four by a fellow named Ben Watenberg, who was, uh with the big Uh Think Tank, American Enterprise Institute, and He also had a Tv show in Boston called Think Tank,
00:08:04.350 --> 00:08:10.329 Ben Lytle: and he wrote this book called Fewer, and it predicted exactly what's happening now,
00:08:10.470 --> 00:08:23.459 Ben Lytle: but what nobody paid any attention. I mean, you know, been tried to get people to listen and it. But but if you think back yourself in the last twenty years, you, Haven't heard one politician,
00:08:23.470 --> 00:08:31.509 Ben Lytle: our one media major media outlet, talk about consequences of having a population decline,
00:08:31.730 --> 00:08:43.749 Ben Lytle: and what that? How does that affect an economy? How does that affect us? Society? Nobody paying attention to it. But today we're all realizing suddenly we don't have enough pilots.
00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:52.139 Ben Lytle: American airlines stops a hundred flights southwest, you know, cancels a hundred flights. Where the heck? Where did the pilots go?
00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:56.290 Ben Lytle: Did they suddenly just all disappear? No, this has been coming,
00:08:56.300 --> 00:09:18.730 Ben Lytle: because what's happening is we're not replacing. We haven't been replacing the pilots reaching retirement age. The same things happening in physicians and nurses, and every other type of health care, and, by the way, almost every other profession. It's just statistically, that's what happens. So we're in a period of our great, some of our greatest period of retirement, one hundred and fifty
00:09:18.740 --> 00:09:37.479 Ben Lytle: for a baby boomers, and that same time, where we don't have enough people coming into it. The universities are all facing declines and student populations, a lot of K through twelve schools same thing. And so what we're experiencing is what's called the cliff effect,
00:09:37.490 --> 00:09:54.880 Ben Lytle: and the cliff effect is, we're all going through our lives. We got plenty to worry about, so we're not thinking about things like population decline uh, and and suddenly we wake up, and it's very real, and now it affects us. I can't get a flight
00:09:55.610 --> 00:10:07.610 Ben Lytle: or my flight's now more expensive, or I have. I want to see. I need to see a specialist. I call to see a specialist, and they say it's two months, or maybe three,
00:10:07.620 --> 00:10:24.099 Ben Lytle: before I can see a specialist. And Oh, by the way, I have to talk to a physician's assistant who's kind of like a gatekeeper for that for that specialist before I can see him. That's very common, and this is going to get a more severe
00:10:24.270 --> 00:10:32.649 Ben Lytle: because our population is aging, and as we age we consume more health care resources. And Now we've got scarcity resources.
00:10:32.980 --> 00:10:51.790 Ben Lytle: So that's where the subject of tonight's show really hits home, which is one of the primary things we have to accomplish with medical technology is catch more disease before it happens. And there's some wonderful things going on there that Frank, i'm sorry that James can talk about,
00:10:51.800 --> 00:11:00.569 Ben Lytle: uh, and also to uh, to significantly expand the productivity of the physicians we have,
00:11:00.810 --> 00:11:17.900 Ben Lytle: so that they can see they can treat a lot more patients with the help of technology. So that's kind of a long summary. But it's it is my number one concern in in health care for the next. Uh, for this next ten to two, three decades,
00:11:17.910 --> 00:11:33.820 Ben Lytle: because we got a long way to go to get the technology there. And and and this problem is building very fast, and where you. As for your audiences, patients will see it. We all see it as again we try to get an appointment, but then also,
00:11:33.830 --> 00:11:39.880 Ben Lytle: let's say we have a complex condition, and I've got three, four, five, six specialist, I'm seeing,
00:11:39.920 --> 00:11:51.079 Ben Lytle: and maybe i'm dealing with a dozen or fifteen or twenty pharmaceuticals who's going to coordinate all that, and particularly when I can't, I can't get timely appointments.
00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:55.770 Ben Lytle: So how do I get a timely diagnosis? How do I get timely treatment?
00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:13.569 Ben Lytle: That is a coming challenge. We're all gonna face, and there's just no way around it. And so we need to be sharp. First of all, taking better care of our health than ever before, and then making sure we have an advocate who can help us navigate this stuff.
00:12:14.260 --> 00:12:32.930 Frank R. Harrison: That's very interesting, so that pretty much. Not only do we all have to be our own advocates, but there has to be almost like a designated professional who is an advocate to keep the coordination and flow continuing with all the patient activities that are going on,
00:12:32.950 --> 00:12:50.799 Ben Lytle: except they don't exist, and they're not in there. For the most part they Don't exist, and and for the most part neither private insurance nor government insurance pays for anyone to coordinate your care. They're very limited cases where they do that. So that falls on
00:12:50.810 --> 00:13:02.499 Ben Lytle: erez Agmoni, the patient, or the patients advocates that are, you know, family and friends, and whoever else you can find. But for the most part there is. There is a great entrepreneurial opportunity there, two hundred and fifty
00:13:02.510 --> 00:13:19.170 Ben Lytle: mit ctl, and for people who want to get in health care to find a way to to coordinate that. But today it would all have to be pretty much private pay. I'm hoping that Government policy will see over time that this is actually costing them money, not saving the money one hundred and fifty
00:13:19.180 --> 00:13:25.440 Ben Lytle: uh not having someone to coordinate care. But again, today it's still fairly limited.
00:13:26.130 --> 00:13:35.890 Frank R. Harrison: Well, we're about to have our first break, so when we get back we want to talk about not only the limitations of the healthcare, but also a little bit about how the insurance industry has been
00:13:36.190 --> 00:13:49.209 Frank R. Harrison: mit ctl and transitioning as a result of these changes. And then I guess James also want to bring back some of the talk that you had on Frank about health a while back on Crispr, you know, because I want to see how that integrates into two hundred and fifty.
00:13:49.220 --> 00:14:05.390 Frank R. Harrison: Um, what Ben's been just talking about. Okay, So, ladies and gentlemen, please stay tun as we're here again with both Ben Lidel and James Swenson talking about healthcare innovations for the future of health care right here on talk radio, Nyc. And on our Youtube Channel. Stay tuned.
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00:16:18.830 --> 00:16:37.039 Frank R. Harrison: welcome back. And we were just talking right now about pretty much how we're dealing with the increasing retirement refinement of the baby boomer population. The lack of replacement based on the current population of those entering the healthcare space one hundred and fifty,
00:16:37.050 --> 00:16:52.290 Frank R. Harrison: as well as the understanding that things are going to get a little bit difficult in terms of preparing for the costs that technology is going to make uh insurance companies not be a viable source of of uh funding
00:16:52.300 --> 00:17:05.470 Frank R. Harrison: those treatment plans, especially if you're in a situation where you're looking for elder care in an assisted living facility and things like that. Now, then, you have experience being the Ceo of anthem.
00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:23.200 Frank R. Harrison: That's That's one thing that I am familiar with. Your background. And and you, James, you you've had a role in working with insurance companies in the Boston area. I gather in understanding their valuations and understanding their investment strategies as they were working within this space.
00:17:23.210 --> 00:17:33.989 Frank R. Harrison: We do the both of you have any commentary in terms of the role that insurance is going to play, whether it's on the Government's side, or even on the private side. One.
00:17:35.450 --> 00:17:42.210 Frank R. Harrison: What are they not playing enough with where we have to, of course replace what they're not going to be able to provide?
00:17:42.540 --> 00:18:02.200 James Swanson: James, Would you like to go ahead and just jump in on a couple of things? Yeah, First of all, insurance companies are always maligned for, and and we have some ballot issues in the State. I live in right now, Massachusetts, to force insurance companies to have a certain pay out when it comes to medical costs. Some of it's ridiculous.
00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:19.829 James Swanson: Um! The capital markets tend to adjust for these things, but we need insurance because we're collectively spreading the risk of our disease across a broad number of people and healthy people uh their premiums will help us if we do get sick. Um!
00:18:19.840 --> 00:18:39.159 James Swanson: But I want to point out something that's really interesting about what Ben said, and I I think we we need to think about this. He talks about the um fertility rates of the developed countries, and they're falling. And this is true, and our leaders are not mentioning this. So the role of an author
00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:58.930 James Swanson: is to alert people to this, and Interestingly enough, one of the most famous people in this country now is not a political guy. Elon Musk, who runs Tesla and Spacex has been saying, We need to have more babies because we're in trouble, and he's ridiculed in the press. He's made a mockery of.
00:18:58.940 --> 00:19:13.019 James Swanson: I say, that is mindset. And how does mindset which views insurance companies as bad pharmaceutical companies as bad, even though they've solved many of our immediate problems.
00:19:13.030 --> 00:19:23.230 James Swanson: Mindset has to change in the role of the Cassandra of this world. The The warnings have now got to come from the literary community, because
00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:44.040 James Swanson: the established outlets of Twitter and all this are not thinking through and looking at the numbers that they have eighteen characters, saying, Everything's fine, and um we hate trump, but no one's looking at the deep numbers that Ben's talking about. So I want to pass it back to Ben, because
00:19:44.050 --> 00:19:56.679 James Swanson: the issue of older people, not being serviced by enough young professionals, including pilots, is happening as we speak, and Elon Musk brings it up, and he gets mocked and and ridiculed.
00:19:57.320 --> 00:20:15.709 Ben Lytle: Yeah, it's really unfortunate, because and and uh, James, as I said, uh a brilliant academic uh, you know, who was not a political guy at all. Ben Watenberg wrote this incredible book in two thousand and four, and laid out exactly what's happening. One hundred and fifty
00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:45.570 Ben Lytle: and I've been talking about this uh ever since, you know, ever since I got I became aware of it in the late nineties. Uh I I actually built a a couple of businesses with that in mind that we have this. We have this problem coming, and we need to be thinking about it. And how do we extend the health of seniors? How do we? How do we coordinate their care? Uh, and that's that's my biggest concern. But I think it's also the greatest opportunity. And going back to
00:20:45.580 --> 00:20:47.309 Ben Lytle: your point.
00:20:47.320 --> 00:21:11.569 Ben Lytle: The the innovators are gonna come out of the private sector. Uh they, they just are government uh much that we, outside of defense, does not do a lot of innovation. And and so the private sector, whether it and sometimes that's people that you perhaps resent because they're larger, or you know you think they they. They make too much money, whatever it is
00:21:11.580 --> 00:21:13.110 Ben Lytle: but uh, but
00:21:13.120 --> 00:21:43.099 Ben Lytle: companies like health plans, companies like pharmaceuticals, companies like private equity and venture capital, who fund uh fund new startups who are trying to solve some of these problems. That's our solution. It's not going to come from There's not going to be any Calvary riding in over the hill. It's going to be a lot of little Calvary people out there working in the private sector that gets it done, and and there's definitely opportunity to do it. I think the biggest thing
00:21:43.110 --> 00:21:59.589 Ben Lytle: erez agmoni. And we're we're we're trying to figure out now is, how do we really make a difference when people age in doing it efficiently for them, and taking better care of them, and at the same time actually saving money. And we can two hundred and fifty,
00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:17.819 Ben Lytle: because that's when when people float around in the as you know, James, when people float around in the health care system and they're bounced from one specialty to another, there's no answers. We're just chewing up not only their time and putting stress on them, but we're we're wasting money.
00:22:17.830 --> 00:22:34.540 Ben Lytle: We're going to end up with a much more serious case than if we dealt with it sooner. So that's where I think the health plans are trying to find a solution. To this, too. I think large employers are looking for it. Uh, and and I think government is looking for it,
00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:41.610 Ben Lytle: Frank, for your listeners. One other thing is, if you're a business person. You
00:22:41.620 --> 00:22:55.269 Ben Lytle: and and I would bet that a lot of the the people are who are listening to your show or business people, or business owners, or Ceos, or executives. They're aware of the problem how, whether or not they have the numbers I don't know,
00:22:55.360 --> 00:23:03.889 Ben Lytle: but you can guarantee there is a huge productivity drain in every company in the United States
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:13.880 Ben Lytle: erez agmoni for employees who are on their part time trying to coordinate the care and be the advocate for elderly parents. You can make book on it two hundred and fifty,
00:23:14.030 --> 00:23:21.410 Ben Lytle: and and in some cases some employers are aware of it, and are trying to provide. Give them support to do that
00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:37.569 Ben Lytle: mit Ctl. And because it's that is, that is a problem now, and it's going to be a growing problem, as the population ages, and as more and and and as as more, they have to depend more on their children to help them advocate care for them. One hundred and fifty.
00:23:38.580 --> 00:23:57.800 Frank R. Harrison: I like to introduce my co-host, Phyllis Quinlan. Thank you for joining us We've just spent the last. Uh what is it? Twenty Five minutes? Talking about a lot of the innovations that health care is bringing into our society, going forward, how cost, effective or costly they may be,
00:23:57.810 --> 00:24:27.049 Frank R. Harrison: how insurance, role or lack of function within it is involved The government's role in it. But I couldn't wait to you got here because we started the show with Ben, discussing how this is impacting the professional doctors, the nurses, the caregivers, and we all know that that is one of your many specialty. So i'm glad you were able to join us right here as we're approaching almost the second half of the show. Thank you for being patient for my arrival. I really do. Um Sorry i'm joining late,
00:24:27.090 --> 00:24:33.040 Phyllis Quinlan: but I did not want to miss this episode for anything. James, how are you? It's good to see you. How's your family?
00:24:33.050 --> 00:24:50.549 Phyllis Quinlan: Everyone's well, thank you. It's good to see you and Larry. It's a pleasure to meet you right there. I go by being okay. Um, I I was able to uh listen to a previous episode, and it was really quite informative. So i'm really just a pleasure to be able to join everybody tonight.
00:24:51.740 --> 00:25:00.959 Frank R. Harrison: Oh, My God! I did not even issue the disclaimer as the show began. Please everybody out there. Forgive me. So that being said, let me do my due diligence.
00:25:00.970 --> 00:25:28.330 Frank R. Harrison: Please be aware, everybody, this show is not meant for anything but information and conversational purposes. It is not meant to dissuade you, or to turn you from working with your current physician, or the medications or treatment regimen you are on. If you feel that you need, after listening to what you've just heard, or what you will hear throughout the rest of this episode of Frank about health. If you need to consult things with your physician,
00:25:28.340 --> 00:25:56.689 Frank R. Harrison: we offer that as an opportunity, but that, all being said, these are not the views of talk radio, Nyc. Or a Frank about health, but they are the views in this book. The potential is so. For that reason, if you find her with your with your own mindset, I highly recommend the book all right. I'm glad I was able to put the put the the house cleaning it. Okay. So um, I think that
00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:13.920 Frank R. Harrison: mit Ctl. And you know we we still have plenty of time to talk. But I know that now that you've joined this Phyllis, when we return from the next commercial break we're definitely going to want to center the conversation on the medical professional, and from the various professional roles and hats that you've worn one hundred and fifty
00:26:13.930 --> 00:26:31.470 Frank R. Harrison: from working with. Share the care from dealing as a nurse from being a coach, a trainer, uh, and also being a co-host on Frank about health we want to talk about how all of their roles are going to evolve with the new technology paradigm that Ben refers to in the book
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:40.499 Frank R. Harrison: what James has mentioned on the shows that we've done together and really emphasize how we collectively can show a health. Your future
00:26:40.580 --> 00:26:56.930 Frank R. Harrison: All right. Um, again. Then prior to Phyllis's arrival, you were talking about how the insurance industry basically is going to be in a situation where it really needs to be doubly protected by our own resources. Correct one.
00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:17.780 Frank R. Harrison: I didn't. I didn't follow you there, Frank. I don't know if somebody protected is the right word. I'm saying that we're going to have to definitely go and find our own financial reserves in order to accommodate, I think, what's going to happen over time uh, particularly as we get into some of the more life extending
00:27:17.790 --> 00:27:34.750 Ben Lytle: mit ctl and uh, or life improving technologies. It's already there that are are not necessarily. They're on the borderline between what you would consider a a choice, or where you would consider it mandatory, healthcare. Those areas are great. One hundred and fifty.
00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:41.139 Ben Lytle: They're really difficult for for health plans to make. Those calls
00:27:41.150 --> 00:27:58.929 Ben Lytle: help. Plans are happy to cover anything as long as we put it in the premium. If we don't collect money for it, we can't pay for it Well, when you start at, and everybody says, Why don't you cover this? Why don't you cover this well? Because suddenly your premiums would be three times the amounts they are there. And so that's why
00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:17.809 Ben Lytle: health plans always with that I I have on affordability. They are careful about what they cover, and they don't cover, and they want to make sure it's efficacious that it's got proven technology behind it that it's had time and use that we really understand it. So that's their reluctance.
00:28:17.820 --> 00:28:31.760 Ben Lytle: Again. They can long as they can put it in the premium. They don't want to be. Have it not in the premium, Then someone say, Hey, pay for this. Well, it's not in the contract, you know. We didn't collect premium for it, so that's essentially the way their mindset has to work
00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:44.030 Ben Lytle: the point. You just raised It's gonna It's getting there. There are Still, there are times today. It's very difficult to judge between whether something is experimental or whether it's proven.
00:28:44.150 --> 00:29:03.419 Ben Lytle: The The rules are getting better with there, but it's not easy. It's also really hard to tell with new technologies. Will this really pay off? Is it really something we should be doing and supporting, because to some degree, when it's covered by an insurance plan, there's almost an endorsement, though it must be okay
00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:14.619 Ben Lytle: mit Ctl. And And and really, I think that's going to put pressure that we're going to see over time. We're going to see our out of pocket budget grow, and I don't see any way to avoid that one hundred and fifty.
00:29:15.300 --> 00:29:34.870 Frank R. Harrison: Wow! So now we're ready for our break, and we definitely want to now see the role that both the patient and the professional is going to play with this this. Well, it's both a conflict and an opportunity in the skies, and we want to flesh that out when we return right here on this episode of Frank about health, both on talk, radio Andyc and on our Youtube Channel. So please stay tuned.
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00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:42.179 Frank R. Harrison: Everybody welcome back to the second half hour of this episode of Frank about health. With the return of Ben Litel
00:31:42.230 --> 00:31:57.220 Frank R. Harrison: James Swanson, and of course, Phyllis Quinlan um my co-host um now is the time that I really want to really flesh out the medical professionals involvement in this new revolution that we've been talking about.
00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:11.689 Phyllis Quinlan: So I I can. I can speak from a personal perspective. I I really don't want to speak for the profession. Um, I don't want to speak for the medical profession, because I I um, you know i'm a nurse. I'm a doctorate prepared nurse but
00:32:12.730 --> 00:32:31.230 Phyllis Quinlan: um over the forty-four years that I practiced I have practiced um critical care. Emergency trauma I have practiced long term care and sub acute care uh assisted living. Um, and you know occasionally the subacute care, quite honestly, has really replaced our mid surge units, so
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:47.850 Phyllis Quinlan: I feel as though the probably the only thing I've rarely ever done. Maybe a case or two is home care, so I I have quite a diverse um clinical setting which demands different types of education, and of course, clinical competency and skills to go with it.
00:32:47.950 --> 00:33:03.419 Phyllis Quinlan: But one of the things that I think I have learned over the years, and This is no difference whatsoever to the medical breakthroughs and the technological breakthroughs that are are happening. That are life-saving and important. I want to This is no judgment around any of that.
00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:12.050 Phyllis Quinlan: But what I do see is a little bit more of a need for perspective around expectations,
00:33:12.060 --> 00:33:28.590 Phyllis Quinlan: because I firmly believe that people should have the right to self-determination, which, of course, we capture in what we call an advanced care. Not um what we call our advanced directives, where you have a malt, which is a medical order
00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:43.019 Phyllis Quinlan: for life sustaining treatment, or you have something else that says, you want. Cpr. You don't want Cpr. You want dialysis. You don't want dialysis, but we need to have more education, and I think open forums around what
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:57.219 Phyllis Quinlan: advanced diseases look like, and the expectation that you can be made. We can help you in feeling comfortable. We can help you to live your life to the fullest for as long as you have.
00:33:57.280 --> 00:33:58.959 Phyllis Quinlan: But there is no cure
00:33:59.860 --> 00:34:04.790 Phyllis Quinlan: currently known to us. Given the science and the information technology we have today
00:34:04.840 --> 00:34:10.639 Phyllis Quinlan: there has, and I really feel that there is a need, because in the understanding,
00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:16.380 Phyllis Quinlan: advanced care, illnesses, and the understanding that we can offer you the
00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:32.840 Phyllis Quinlan: self-determination and hopefully start a conversation between the patient and their family that probably has never happened and needs to happen. There can be clarity, and there can be coordination of effort and a sense of peace around honoring that person's last wishes.
00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:41.970 Phyllis Quinlan: When I see a lot of conflict with technology and and medical breakthroughs and other things coming through is that
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:50.659 Phyllis Quinlan: those things as wonderful and as great as they are to offer to a certain segment of the population,
00:34:51.270 --> 00:34:57.459 Phyllis Quinlan: they offer very little in terms of relief or extension of life at end of life
00:34:57.540 --> 00:34:58.709 issues,
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:04.049 Phyllis Quinlan: and people are not necessarily informed of that. And I think right now.
00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:06.450 Phyllis Quinlan: Nurses are struggling
00:35:06.770 --> 00:35:17.339 Phyllis Quinlan: with the moral dilemma around extension of life for extension's sake, and not necessarily for quality of life and dignity.
00:35:17.980 --> 00:35:27.640 Phyllis Quinlan: And it's it's trying very hard to navigate that very delicate balance between what the patient wants, and what the family is
00:35:27.910 --> 00:35:44.499 Phyllis Quinlan: allowing to happen, or letting happen, or the family is concerned about what other people might say, and where we have to kind of redirect the persons the family's attention back on. Well, what does the family member want? And of course everything centers on that? All important conversation
00:35:44.520 --> 00:35:52.860 of transparency and clarity around what your wishes are for the end of your life. What do you want to?
00:35:52.870 --> 00:36:05.960 Phyllis Quinlan: Um be subjected? To? What interventions are you willing to accept. That may be life sustaining, but not necessarily quality of life, sustaining and having that conversation. So everybody is clear
00:36:06.100 --> 00:36:22.119 Phyllis Quinlan: for those patients who are in a position to really take advantage of the latest medical technologies and technical breakthroughs and ah medication breakthroughs. I I think we we have to really find a way to make sure our moral.
00:36:23.990 --> 00:36:32.830 Phyllis Quinlan: Our moral center has to be around accessibility, that these things are offered to everyone and not just to those that can pay
00:36:33.710 --> 00:36:39.780 right, and that's what you were referring to, Ben on the last show about democratizing innovation
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.259 that things that are not offered to everybody has to be offered to everybody
00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:47.080 in in mass distribution at some point.
00:36:47.170 --> 00:36:48.100 Ben Lytle: Correct?
00:36:48.410 --> 00:36:49.279 Ben Lytle: Right?
00:36:50.020 --> 00:37:08.119 Phyllis Quinlan: Okay. So I I don't know quite honestly. I'm not informed enough. I don't know if you know There, if there are clauses and research grants or monies that come from the Government, there is from an Ihi Grant, or the Nih grants that are out there for helping to develop
00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:19.929 Phyllis Quinlan: different types of interventions and different types of technology. I don't know if there are clauses in those grants that say, if there is a breakthrough that comes from the fruition of your research,
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:31.700 Phyllis Quinlan: and then there has to be a social obligation to ensure that we price it at a point that makes it accessible to everyone. If we're not doing that, I think that's something we have to think about going forward.
00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:47.579 Ben Lytle: Well, one thing, bill is that uh, most an entrepreneur wins when they get it to more people. So typically they're going to be highly motivated to to build a product. It's It's hard to get financing
00:37:47.590 --> 00:38:07.560 Ben Lytle: from a you know, any kind of a private financing for an idea that can't be scaled to millions of people, and That's a lot of what people like me do are in nowadays, not not from my health plan days, but we look for ways to take a really good idea, and to scale it to many, many people.
00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:35.389 Ben Lytle: Uh and and I've had personal experience with that several times, and it's both as an investor and as, and as so, you know, you don't really have to regulate it, because the investors are motivated to do it. So it's just that it's It's it's It's not quite. It's not like pharmaceuticals where they're trying to earn back their research. You know, typically most in inventions on the health services side. Don't have that kind of
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:50.010 Ben Lytle: you know, millions and millions and hundreds of millions of dollars going into it before it's ever used. So So in the most of the times they're going to be self-motivated. And do you when we're talking about third-party, payers are you envisioning
00:38:50.020 --> 00:39:07.000 Phyllis Quinlan: a a a national system, or a system, that ultimately, whether it's national or not. That kind of mimics medicare part A. And then supplements, you know, so that we we don't have just health care, insurance. We have health, care, insurance, and then the insurance for what the insurance doesn't cover
00:39:07.870 --> 00:39:15.969 Ben Lytle: I you know we don't have that structure today. Uh, and I don't that happening. Do you see that as a model for the future?
00:39:15.980 --> 00:39:34.950 Ben Lytle: I wish it were, but I don't see it happening. I I do think that that that there is a a percentage of the pop, you know you. I'm sure you probably know the numbers, but a lot of the listeners may not that about five percent of the population
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:39.640 Ben Lytle: responsible for about fifty percent of all health care costs
00:39:39.740 --> 00:39:59.310 Ben Lytle: mit ctl, and there's a huge concentration, and about ten percent uh are responsible for about eighty. Now it's not the same by people. Every year people move in and out of that population, but but the message from it is is that the cost of health care is highly concentrated One hundred and fifty.
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:12.859 Ben Lytle: Ah, and and I think, and and a lot of those people are the same people year after year after year, and what we lack today are a series of companies. They're beginning to develop one hundred and fifty
00:40:12.870 --> 00:40:23.830 Ben Lytle: with value-based care. You know we're uh in in that that we're that we're slowly moving into more value, based care as a way for paying for health care
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:41.080 Ben Lytle: mit ctl. And uh, but it it. What we need is we need a We need a one thousand companies out there, a vibrant new industry that specializes in taking the people who have very complex conditions and helping them manage that whatever they need, one hundred and fifty,
00:40:41.090 --> 00:41:09.840 Ben Lytle: and no matter what it is that they'll take a fixed price from the government, if the governments to pay a fixed price from insurance, and then say, Let us manage this, and the patients. Aren't obligated to stay in. If they're not happy, they can leave and go back to whatever they were doing. But we need a vibrant free market right now around those kinds of innovations, and we're just getting started, and and but I But if you talk about bending the curve, and health care costs
00:41:09.850 --> 00:41:24.880 Ben Lytle: mit ctl, and That's the only way you can bend it because of that concentration of cost. So I've been hoping for some time that we would see those kind of companies emerge and then see the health plans, make them their partner two,
00:41:24.890 --> 00:41:42.110 Ben Lytle: and so so that that favors a structure like you're talking about. Where uh the the health care when you hit that threshold where your that your disease and the cost of it is very complex and very expensive. You almost get you go into another pool
00:41:42.120 --> 00:41:50.210 Ben Lytle: of cost, and you they pretty much move out of the you're describing is what we in the nursing world would call care, management, or care navigation
00:41:50.260 --> 00:42:07.619 Phyllis Quinlan: where you are trying to coordinate everything throughout the care continuum whether they are in home in the community, using a satellite going to the emergency department getting admitted, going to rehab going back home that you have a series of care navigators helping you
00:42:07.630 --> 00:42:11.010 uh, and it's It's it effectively,
00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:24.630 Ben Lytle: and it's essentially it, and it's essentially concentrating on these when you when you hit a very complex situation, and it's it's sort of starts with the way our financing system
00:42:24.640 --> 00:42:40.390 Ben Lytle: mit ctl, and you know we kind of have a a a, a mix mixed financing system. In some cases it's by level of income, like Medicaid. In other cases it's by your age, like Medicare and other places. It's by where you work one hundred and fifty,
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:46.530 Ben Lytle: but it's not driven by by the by the severity of disease.
00:42:46.540 --> 00:43:16.530 Ben Lytle: And if you think about it, if we had the health care system specialized around around uh primary care, basic primary care, and then a little more complex diagnostic care, and then uh, then interventional care where essentially I go in. I get fixed, and i'm done, you know. And then I've got a long term. You think about structuring it around around around the Disease State. It starts to get a lot more efficient, And so that's that's the barrier we have to overcome. Right now, as we build
00:43:16.540 --> 00:43:22.849 Ben Lytle: it for a different purpose, we built the financing system and the delivery system really for a different purpose. The
00:43:23.290 --> 00:43:39.530 Frank R. Harrison: we're about to enter our final break, That being said when we come back, we want to talk about exactly the future in terms of the delivery system as well as what are things that entrepreneurs should be looking at, which they probably are not at the moment, I mean, because it sounds like
00:43:39.540 --> 00:43:48.040 with health care being an ecosystem unto itself, that technology is also influencing its change for its evolution.
00:43:48.050 --> 00:44:12.379 Ben Lytle: Um, But there are just opportunities that have not yet been tapped into so. And in fact, one thing i'd love i'd love to hear James speak to is uh you know, from his state in the stadium, that is, if he had to pick the top two or three technologies. He thinks that are going to really revolutionize care of care in the next ten or fifteen years he's. I'd love to hear his perspective on that. If you are
00:44:12.390 --> 00:44:27.280 Frank R. Harrison: me, too of it. Really so, James, when we turn, you'll be right on refresh. All right. We'll be right back in a few. Stay tuned right here on talk radio that Nyc. And our Youtube Channel.
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00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:45.399 Frank R. Harrison: Welcome back to our final segment of this episode. Um! I just wanted to point out some geographics Here, Ben, you're in Phoenix Arizona right now. So for you. It's probably um two to three hours behind, and you, James, are in Boston, and Both Phyllis and I are here in New York City
00:46:45.410 --> 00:47:01.079 Frank R. Harrison: and join the evenings, so i'm just glad we were able to come together to really reflect again on the book. The potentialists as well as Ah really explore the innovations that have been taking over the health care profession, especially when it comes down to one
00:47:01.090 --> 00:47:18.819 Frank R. Harrison: mit ctl, and how insurance is evolving or needs to really redesign It's it's up. You had a lot of good points there uh about. Uh, if we were focusing on the disease specifically as a delivery system rather than on the other Geographics of the way that the payer program works currently one hundred and fifty.
00:47:18.830 --> 00:47:25.989 Frank R. Harrison: But then, as you said, you wanted to hear about James's view on some of the investments or stocks or
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:45.780 Ben Lytle: well, the technologies Yeah, I mean, the the technologies is, he's in a good seat in the stadium, I think, to see uh what the technologies are and that are emerging, and how fast they're coming online, and what he thinks the ultimate impact is. So I didn't want to miss the chance to have an expert speak to that. So
00:47:45.870 --> 00:48:01.099 James Swanson: Well, thank you. And you know we were talking, and I don't anyone to think Ben's book is a depressing because you were talking about some things that we all need to focus on. But there's a lot of hope in what you write about in the potential as well, and i'll just
00:48:01.150 --> 00:48:18.820 James Swanson: um put a flashlight on a couple. One is Crispr, and for those who are listening um Crispr is a gene editing tool. It's a combination of technology and medicine. It stands for clustered, regularly interspaced. A palindrome is um.
00:48:18.830 --> 00:48:32.119 James Swanson: You reverse the letters the word refer. It reads backwards and forward. So they're taking the um designations of our basic components of human life uh the G putting numbers and letters on it.
00:48:32.130 --> 00:48:49.760 James Swanson: And but now they're able to edit it, and there's a sub component of Crispr Cas. Nine Cs. Nine has to do with proteins. What does that have to do with with Ben and Phyllis is talking about? Phyllis is talking about end of life care a lot of that is neurologically determined, and
00:48:49.890 --> 00:48:58.209 James Swanson: we know there's a real potentialist. Her name is Am. Fedori. At Children's Hospital. She's raising zebra fish in her lab,
00:48:58.270 --> 00:49:03.220 James Swanson: and she is interjecting genetic
00:49:03.830 --> 00:49:11.459 James Swanson: mutations into her fish. They live three years there, so in twelve years you get four generations of these fish. Um,
00:49:11.710 --> 00:49:29.220 James Swanson: she's focusing on epilepsy, and Frank is very um experienced with that particular reflection affliction of what it does to two percent of humanity. But now they're finding with Crispr they can edit the gene, make up of these fish, and if they could do this with human beings
00:49:29.230 --> 00:49:44.470 James Swanson: to alter Alzheimer's alzheimer's Isn't, necessarily a genetic disease, but it's has a genetic component and other types of dementia, and if we all have to save the money, it takes to live a high quality of life
00:49:44.480 --> 00:50:02.919 James Swanson: without technology. I would be discouraged. But i'm excited about what i'm reading about what i'm hearing. And I've met some of these people, and one more. I just want to throw out there and then. Um, phyllis, and then jump in uh F. Mri, which is functional magnetic resonance machines.
00:50:02.950 --> 00:50:21.550 James Swanson: Um, They're now watching how the hippocampus lights up when fear occurs or someone makes a um use of a word in a political statement that's negative, and causes you to vote a certain way. The amygdala or the hippocampus lights up
00:50:21.560 --> 00:50:39.609 James Swanson: uh it's crude now. But what is happening in that field of neurology is beginning to shed light on how our brains and biases work, and if we can educate people that they have inherent biases, or there are things that light up in their brain.
00:50:39.620 --> 00:50:52.929 James Swanson: Um! Without their conscious awareness, and make it conscious We will have a better life out there, and companies are jumping on this, so there is hope, and I want to leave a hopeful word there and and let you two jump in.
00:50:52.940 --> 00:51:16.189 Ben Lytle: Yeah, I I think. First of all, James, thank you for for pointing out that the potential is is a is a book of of great optimism, and it is uh people we all forget with our, you know, our daily to things that we look around. We see things that aren't right. That's that. That bother us. That's human nature. But we forget we're three million year old species,
00:51:16.200 --> 00:51:42.170 Ben Lytle: and we shouldn't you know we've gone through a lot worse than what we're going through right now, and we'll overcome this again. The odds are far on that. We will come through the next few decades far stronger than we've ever been, and I couldn't agree with you more. The kinds of innovations you're talking about are dramatic. I mean, these are not. These are not small things you can truly alter the human state.
00:51:42.180 --> 00:52:00.569 Ben Lytle: So I thank you for pointing that out, and I and I believe at the end of the day we're we're headed to a much better place, not going to be easy getting there. It never is. This is a birthing process, and so we have to go through through the childbirth of a new age here. But uh, but this but the new age is going to be better on confident.
00:52:01.230 --> 00:52:04.600 Frank R. Harrison: Well, actually, this this is your first in a book of three,
00:52:04.790 --> 00:52:23.039 Ben Lytle: right? Right? Exactly, and the next the next two will be pointing out even or prescriptively, how you get from here to there.
00:52:23.050 --> 00:52:33.800 Phyllis Quinlan: Protein deposits it on the neurons, and it interferes with synaptic connections, and depending on what area of the brain is affected,
00:52:33.850 --> 00:52:51.849 Phyllis Quinlan: is the, you know, shows up in the behavior or in the symptom um that's demonstrated in the patients so the patient could, um, you know not. Every patient with dementia has emotional outburst, but if they have a um some dimension that's located in the prefrontal cortex or in the frontal lobe.
00:52:51.860 --> 00:53:09.830 Phyllis Quinlan: Emotional outbursts may be part of this. Not every dementia patient has issues with mobility. But If that dementia is located in the paridal zone, then, of course, muscle, coordination, and motion and movement is impaired. So you know it it shows up differently. But I have to agree
00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:21.910 Phyllis Quinlan: thinking about. You know my work. With long-term care assisted living, and just listening to elders in the emergency department. Their greatest fear is loss of independence, and they are more than willing
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:31.040 Phyllis Quinlan: to understand that they may need a an assistive device by a They may need a cane, they may need a walker. They may even need a wheelchair,
00:53:31.170 --> 00:53:40.500 Phyllis Quinlan: but the thought of losing your ability to be cognitively astute and have self-determination and be dependent upon others.
00:53:40.550 --> 00:53:42.339 Um is terrifying,
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:59.579 Phyllis Quinlan: absolutely terrifying. So any breakthroughs along those ways um can be absolutely life altering. My brother has Parkinson's, and it's fairly advanced at this point. Um, but he's he's he's also up there. He's much older than I am. He's he's eighty years old,
00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:07.149 Phyllis Quinlan: and you know, even though the life expectancy of an eighty-year-old is somewhere between ten and fifteen years. Conventionally,
00:54:07.160 --> 00:54:25.599 Phyllis Quinlan: you know, his greatest fear is not, is living to that age, but not necessarily being totally in in in control of himself or having his full capacities. I don't think the idea of being in a wheelchair is bothering him so much is not necessarily fully being able to um have fermentation
00:54:25.610 --> 00:54:28.280 and competency in that regard.
00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:36.400 Phyllis Quinlan: So it's It's wonderful to hear about those kinds of breakthroughs. The other one you talked about where we can start to map
00:54:36.940 --> 00:54:47.980 Phyllis Quinlan: where behavior and thought processes are, perhaps through pet scanning or other radiological diagnostic devices.
00:54:48.170 --> 00:54:55.319 Phyllis Quinlan: It gets me a little concerned, because I I wish I had enough faith in human nature not to misuse that
00:54:55.630 --> 00:55:01.810 Phyllis Quinlan: wish. I had enough faith not to to make sure that how we ever do that is not
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:11.499 Phyllis Quinlan: violating again, are right for free will and and and for that to be Miss Shoes in terms of programming
00:55:11.730 --> 00:55:21.320 Phyllis Quinlan: other things, or creating the perfect something or other in in someone else's vision of what perfect is, and not necessarily what the patient's vision is.
00:55:21.330 --> 00:55:45.770 Ben Lytle: Um! I wish I had more faith in mankind. Um. But experience tells us that's okay, Phyllis. I have enough for both of us. I I I have. I have no faith for both of us. So I I believe if you, if you look through, I'm in with both feet, I think anything that can help us get our arms around devastating neurological diseases and consequences is a really good thing.
00:55:46.660 --> 00:55:54.560 Frank R. Harrison: Well, we are about two minutes to end, but the bottom line is that you, James, you, Phyllis, and especially you been with this book,
00:55:54.570 --> 00:56:14.390 Frank R. Harrison: is showing that the future is healthy, and it's something that we really have to learn to understand. Better get educated. Better try to, You know. I I mean, I understand how you feel feel this about sometimes trying to question if you're getting the right advice from professionals, or even family members and stuff like that.
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:21.280 Frank R. Harrison: But it is within our own advocacy as as ben you've been talking about. And, James, you've been also telling me about
00:56:21.290 --> 00:56:44.620 Frank R. Harrison: that. We just have to be able to own it, like I keep saying on Frank about health. We have to own our health care, manage our quality of light, and do best what we can to give to others. If they just don't have the same resources that we are able to collectively do, and this the second show is coming to to a wrap up. But I just want to thank you again, Ben. You, James, and of course, Phyllis always for being here,
00:56:44.630 --> 00:57:00.119 Frank R. Harrison: and I just wanted to say everybody stay tuned for Friday slative shows, which are philanthropy and focus with Tommy D. And always Friday with Stephen Fry right here on talk radio, dot Nyc: We'll be back next week right here on Frank about help.
00:57:00.130 --> 00:57:10.880 Frank R. Harrison: So everyone we're signing off right now. Thanks for being here, and I will be contacting all of you very shortly.
00:57:10.890 --> 00:57:22.020 www.TalkRadio.nyc: Good to me. Okay. And here, thank you.
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