Dismantle Racism with Rev. Dr. TLC

Thursday, October 13, 2022
Facebook Live Video from 2022/10/13 - Menopause Disparity

Facebook Live Video from 2022/10/13 - Menopause Disparity


2022/10/13 - Menopause Disparity

[NEW EPISODE] Menopause Disparity


Listeners will learn how menopause is experienced differently because of systematic racial disparities. The audience will hear from a Workplace Menopause Strategist how she works to advocate for people going through menopause, especially in the context of professional settings. 


The impact of menopause is unique to each individual. It is also the case that research has shown that menopause symptoms, like many health conditions, have a disproportionate affect on nonwhite people. ⁣

Rev. Dr. TLC will be joined by Women’s Wellbeing and Workplace Menopause Strategist, Pat Duckworth. She specializes in advising employers who are committed to supporting people in the workplace at this transitional stage of life.

 Pat recognizes menopause as an equity, diversity and inclusion issue that should address how racism affects the experience of working people. How are BIPOC experiences with menopause different? What can be done to close the gap in these disparities?

Tune in for this important conversation at

Show Notes

Segment 1

Rev. Dr. TLC leads guided meditation before diving into the discussion about menopause and racism. She introduces her guest Pat Duckworth who was a former Talking Alternative host. Rev. Dr. TLC shares her background and accolades before bringing her on the show. Pat has a new book, Menopause: Mind the Gap, which can be found at Rev. Dr. TLC asks Pat what inspired her to build her brand around menopause. Pat shares how she first heard about menopause and how it was never said as a positive thing. She says as she got older, she started to educate herself on the topic.

Segment 2

Pat informs the audience about what brain fog is and that it is a symptom of perimenopause. She also clarifies that menopause is a one-day experience that occurs the day one year after your last menstrual period. Pat explains how during this time, a woman’s body is being disrupted; therefore, it disrupts the brain process leaving us in a brain fog. She also adds how estrogen is a powerful hormone that affects over 200 processes in the body and brain. Rev. Dr. TLC and Pat discuss the importance of having conversations concerning menopause. They also talk about how menopause can impact people who don’t have children differently from those who do.

Segment 3

Rev. Dr. TLC and Pat discuss how stress can greatly affect menopause. Rev. Dr. TLC asks Pat if she’s seen any differences in how black people experience menopause. She also asks if Pat has noticed any issues concerning equity and menopause. Pat explains that stress has an effect on menopause symptoms. She goes on to discuss how black people experience stress to a higher degree, therefore, leading to early menopause. Pat explains that there is a general level of women's health problems that are not properly taken care of, making it even more difficult for women of color.

Segment 4

Rev. Dr. TLC asks Pat how she creates a comfortable space for people in the workplace to talk about menopause. Pat informs her clients how menopause can affect their business when they lose valuable women who feel they are no longer supported. She explains that woman leaves their careers because they feel like their health is unmanageable. Rev. Dr. TLC and Pat continue to discuss the importance of talking about menopause in the workplace and how it can benefit their business. If you would like to learn more about


00:00:34.300 --> 00:01:04.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hello and welcome to dismantle racism. I am your host, the Reverend Dr. Tlc. Our aim of this show is to uncover dismantle and to eradicate racism. We know that racism is state in our society, and there all ways multiple ways that it shows up sometimes in very subtle ways, in ways that we haven't even imagined. And that's why our guests on the show They range from any kind

00:01:04.209 --> 00:01:17.779 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: conversation from menopause, as we're going to talk about today to uh owning a bookstore to working uh in the workforce. We have a range of topics, and so i'm delighted today

00:01:17.820 --> 00:01:35.250 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to have my guess who is here to talk about menopause in the workplace as well as talking about racial equity. But before we get started today we're going to start, as we always do, and that is, with finding our breath in taking a moment

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00:05:34.390 --> 00:05:35.840 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and together

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00:05:49.950 --> 00:05:52.040 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Let's take a deep breath in,

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00:06:04.980 --> 00:06:13.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: today. We are talking about menopause, and one might wonder, What does that have to do with racial equity?

00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:19.729 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Sadly, in this country, and I believe in many other countries as well.

00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:36.960 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: There are medical disparities that exist based on one's race, and of course, on socioeconomic status as well, and a few other factors. But race is really a prominent one. You've heard me say on this show before, how

00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:47.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people I know People of color, I know, have been treated very differently than white people when they go to their doctors.

00:06:47.950 --> 00:06:53.270 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You've heard me talk about how my own general practitioner,

00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:58.499 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the gates, how race impacts my health.

00:06:59.690 --> 00:07:03.469 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: In fact, she referred to it as political.

00:07:04.420 --> 00:07:11.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, my body is not political. I'm not political. So it's important to understand

00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:16.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how race impacts my life. Therefore, how race impacts my health,

00:07:17.970 --> 00:07:21.010 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: particularly as it relates to stress.

00:07:22.110 --> 00:07:28.820 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, today, my guess packed up Worth will be talking with us a bit

00:07:28.840 --> 00:07:37.800 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about just how menopause is different for women of color, for instance,

00:07:37.940 --> 00:07:39.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as opposed to white women.

00:07:41.340 --> 00:07:48.819 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Perhaps we may find that shocking and surprising. But indeed it is different.

00:07:49.950 --> 00:08:02.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So I want to welcome my guest today. Pat Duckworth, we're gonna learn just a little bit more about that as we go on. But there are a few things that I want to tell you about her.

00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:31.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to tell you that Pat is a women's well-being and workplace, menopause strategist and i'm so delighted that she has no shame in mentioning metabol in the work that she does, because there's nothing to be ashamed about when we talk about this issue. She is an international speaker. In fact, she's in England right now, and i'm so delighted that she is on the show today.

00:08:31.760 --> 00:08:57.650 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: After thirty years of working in the public sector, Pat retrained as a therapist and as a coach. She specializes in menopause, and advises employers who are committed to supporting people in the workplace at this transitional stage of life, and I love that, she says, who are committed because often employers will say one thing, but then they do another.

00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.810 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know Pat has published five books,

00:09:00.970 --> 00:09:14.619 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: including the award Winning Hot Women. Cool Solutions How to control Menopause Symptoms Using my Body Techniques. Her latest book Menopause Mine The Gap.

00:09:14.630 --> 00:09:36.900 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: The Value of supporting Women in Health in the health and workplace was published in January, two thousand and twenty-one, and she has others. Let me just say she is an expert in this area. So pat, welcome, welcome, welcome! I am delighted to have you on the show today.

00:09:36.910 --> 00:09:51.750 Pat Duckworth: It's such a joy to be with you, Carolyn. I always enjoy talking to you, even though we cover some pretty serious subjects we do, and in But what I love about both the subjects that recovery menopause is serious.

00:09:51.800 --> 00:09:57.230 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Uh, dismantling racism is serious. But look, we can find laughter

00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:23.930 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in anything that we do, even in the midst of pain, because they say laughter is the best medicine right? That's why comedians often, you know, joke about things that are the most serious. And why? Because we need to find a way. Then the other thing is, we also have fun before we get into the subject, because the people had seen us before the show began. We are dancing to the music right there. So, Pat, I

00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:25.180 a historic,

00:10:25.780 --> 00:10:28.000 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: by asking you

00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:36.210 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how to get started with this idea of. We need to talk about this, because

00:10:36.550 --> 00:10:40.429 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, for a long time with women's issues.

00:10:40.630 --> 00:10:42.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're taught to talk about that,

00:10:43.150 --> 00:10:59.980 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, even when it comes to. You know other things we'd say, Oh, my friend, is coming this month now, at least at least back in the day when when we grew up, you know there was a bit of shame in talking about

00:10:59.990 --> 00:11:16.489 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the changes in our body. So tell me, how did you get started? And what gave you the courage to say? I'm talking about this? Yeah, i'm. Women don't even talk with their mothers about it or their friends. It's just crazy. But this really important stage in our live.

00:11:16.500 --> 00:11:25.749 Pat Duckworth: For some reason we can't talk about it. So the first mention I ever heard of menopause was when my brother, who's four years older than me

00:11:25.760 --> 00:11:43.800 Pat Duckworth: ere,

00:11:43.810 --> 00:11:53.490 Pat Duckworth: and so and then Mom eventually ended up having a hysteret to me when she was in her late thirties, so which is pretty early.

00:11:53.500 --> 00:12:16.519 Pat Duckworth: Um! So I got to understand a bit more about what was going on, and as I was kind of getting older, I thought, you know, I need to find out about this stuff, and that's really unusual. Most women are like. Don't. Talk to me about it, Don't. Tell me anything about it almost like we attract it if we talk about it. That is not a law of attraction thing. Okay, this is about educating ourselves.

00:12:16.530 --> 00:12:24.329 Pat Duckworth: Um. And so I started educating myself about menopause. And yeah, just so that I would be prepared,

00:12:24.340 --> 00:12:51.360 Pat Duckworth: and then I got to my late forties, and I was working in government. I had a a directors job. I was commuting hours every day. And just to add to the phone, I was studying for an Mba as well, and it's like the world had gone out of focus. I couldn't see as clearly and think as clearly, and I didn't put it down to menopause because I didn't understand brain fog.

00:12:51.370 --> 00:13:08.659 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: This is a clue to me. Oh, my goodness, to find out about this! I I I really, you know We' to take a break in a minute. But this brain fog is a very serious issue, and when there's so many other medical things happening when people start to have this fog

00:13:08.670 --> 00:13:17.260 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and can't remember things that they should be, remember they're like. Wait a minute. Am I losing my time? And that forty you're telling me. This starts

00:13:17.520 --> 00:13:20.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as early as even earlier. Actually,

00:13:20.330 --> 00:13:47.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: i'm not. I'm gonna keep people hanging until we come back. Alright, so so you can tell that Pat is to have her own show, because she must make sure that we go to Commercial bike on time. And so we're going to be right back with backed up. We're talking about menopause, and then also talking about how menopause is different for women of color. This is the dismantle Racism Show will be right back.

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00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:13.670 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today. Pat duck! Were that before the break we were talking about uh menopause, and we began um talking about

00:16:14.520 --> 00:16:40.609 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this brain fog that women experience, and i'd like you to talk about that a little bit, and I want to say, if people are listening, live, please put your comments in either on the Facebook page uh my Facebook page um, or you can put it on Youtube as well, and we'll get your comments because you might ask some questions about menopause. So Pat, tell us about this brain fog,

00:16:41.120 --> 00:17:00.399 Pat Duckworth: I know, and and in fact, it's um world Menopause day next Tuesday, the eighteenth of October, and the theme this year, which has a different theme is cognition and mood, and those are fancy old terms for brain fog, and that roller coaster that we go on it.

00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:29.960 Pat Duckworth: So brain fog is a thing. And um! So the average Asian menopause is fifty one, but you can go into it much earlier. You go into it later. This period before periods actually stop. There you go. I'm. Shockingly set about periods. It is Perry menopause, and um. So I was in Perry menopause in my late forties, but some women going to it much earlier, And this feeling of brain fog it's

00:17:30.120 --> 00:17:46.250 Pat Duckworth: for me. It was like the world had gone out of focus. I thought I needed new glasses for other women. It's, you know. Their memory is shot to pieces. They just don't remember things. They can't make decisions as well. It's like their clarity is gone.

00:17:46.260 --> 00:18:05.709 Pat Duckworth: Um! One of the reasons we need to talk about it is they can be really worrying, and some women think am I in the early stages of dementia. Is this what happens? So so pat? I want just some for some clarity. The symptoms you're describing are for both Perry, menopause and menopause, or one or the other.

00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.020 Pat Duckworth: So Leverpools is actually one day,

00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:17.910 Pat Duckworth: although we talk about it as though it's the whole thing. Menopause is the day one year after your last menstrual period.

00:18:18.470 --> 00:18:32.530 Pat Duckworth: It's that day. So if you say I've gone through menopause, it means you've got a whole year without periods you've been through menopause. And so that that time before that, when you're experiencing symptoms

00:18:32.540 --> 00:18:54.289 Pat Duckworth: mit ctl, and your reproductive hormones are reducing the estrogen and the progesterone are gradually going down your follicle stimulating hormone, the one that releases eggs, the level of that is going up, but it's all disrupting the processes of the body, and it disrupts our brain processes because women's brains run a lot on estrogen, one hundred.

00:18:54.300 --> 00:18:58.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Yeah. So so then, pat. If those

00:18:58.310 --> 00:19:02.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: symptoms are there, Perry menopause,

00:19:02.370 --> 00:19:13.759 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and then they, some of those symptoms still remain post menopause. Right? So you have that one day, and then you have postmanopause. So

00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.530 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: they still are there after? Correct?

00:19:16.700 --> 00:19:38.539 Pat Duckworth: Yeah, Because the hormones is still settling down. I'm doing all this with my hands because i'm such a visual. I'm trying to draw a picture for you great featuring this downward curve as though it's the level of those hormones decreases, and the ratio between them widens. We get into something called oestrogen dominance, even though the estrogen is reducing,

00:19:38.550 --> 00:19:50.410 Pat Duckworth: and we have to get to a new place of balance. But, as I just said, Oestrogen is a very powerful hormone, and it affects over two hundred processes in the body and in the brain.

00:19:50.420 --> 00:20:06.270 Pat Duckworth: So if your body is being fueled by it, you can imagine two hundred processes being disrupted, as your body readjusts to not having that estrogen that it was happening before, and that's why we can get someone in get

00:20:06.280 --> 00:20:15.930 Pat Duckworth: like loads of symptoms. Um! And other women hardly get any at all. We don't know. It just depends on your experience.

00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:31.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So let me. So it's really up. This is really enlightening, because first and foremost, I can remember uh, someone who was really close to me. You, you said people can think they're getting dementia. I remember her calling in as your

00:20:31.610 --> 00:20:37.620 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know. I'm thinking back as you're talking. I remember her calling me one day, and she was probably

00:20:37.820 --> 00:20:49.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: forty ish, maybe. And she said, I think I you i'm losing my mind. I don't know how to make this pie that I've made a million times, and she said, don't tell anybody,

00:20:49.250 --> 00:21:05.680 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know. But I was. I was her confidant because she just felt like something is happening to me, so I know that sometimes when we're overworked, we can, you know, have a brain fog as well, so there must be a combination of

00:21:05.690 --> 00:21:17.090 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: all the things that are going on in our lives, you know. I I can remember my kids used to say to me, and I brushed it off really, as being, you know, over work because I always have two or three

00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:29.189 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: jobs that i'm doing. And you know, sometimes you could. You're searching for a word, and and I remember my kids during their teenage years, they would say, Mom, i'm worried about you,

00:21:29.230 --> 00:21:40.920 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I would say, just try working as much as I work, and then, knowing that our bodies are changing, which is really another thing that's interesting, too.

00:21:41.010 --> 00:21:42.240 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Um!

00:21:42.450 --> 00:22:03.300 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I remember my sister saying to me one point when I had my children, she said. I feel sorry for you because they're going to be adolescents when you are going through menopause, and they're going to have their periods. And you're gonna you know. And so it is a discussion that we need to have, so that we can understand that when

00:22:03.310 --> 00:22:06.299 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there are these shifts in mood, so

00:22:06.310 --> 00:22:23.359 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we'll understand where they're coming from, and to be able to talk about it. Now, this does not give anyone, particularly those who identify as men in the excuse. Oh, you're just going through the change, or you're just saying No, it's about understanding.

00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:26.239 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to know. Pat um.

00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:29.369 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I I want to get into a little bit

00:22:29.690 --> 00:22:43.559 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: about how stress impacts us, and how um and how that, how there are changes or differences with within a certain groups. But before I do that?

00:22:44.620 --> 00:22:45.780 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Um,

00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:49.320 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know i'm just with with menopause

00:22:49.700 --> 00:22:55.150 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: it impacts all of us differently. What is the research on

00:22:55.700 --> 00:23:03.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: people who have children versus people who do not have children, and how menopause impacts us.

00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:14.190 Pat Duckworth: That's really interesting, because they have been most often when researchers want to look at women who haven't had children. They research nums

00:23:16.840 --> 00:23:31.030 Pat Duckworth: because none of us living in female community. Um, not having sexual relationships, not having children, makes them a really good control group for looking at what's going on with it, and they've looked at

00:23:31.190 --> 00:23:51.720 Pat Duckworth: erez agmoni. So you mentioned stress and you know This whole business of our our experience of menopause is a multi-factorial issue. It's a holistic issue, and stress plays into that So If you were looking at nuns and say, what's their experience? How's their health. How their brains affected one hundred and fifty

00:23:51.730 --> 00:24:06.620 Pat Duckworth: they did find that Lum's brains were affected in the same way as other Women's brains were affected, but they didn't seem to get the same incidents of Alzheimer's post menopause as

00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:11.910 Pat Duckworth: other women do, and they've partly put it down to the fact that they lead

00:24:12.010 --> 00:24:24.169 Pat Duckworth: more communal lives that they have more kindness around them and more understanding around them; and the fact that they are kind to other people has an important

00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:39.019 Pat Duckworth: in their experience of their health and what happens? Post menopause. So there's something in it for us, because we know that stress is a major factor in looking at women's health

00:24:39.470 --> 00:24:42.710 Pat Duckworth: overall, and that menopause.

00:24:42.790 --> 00:24:44.220 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So

00:24:44.760 --> 00:25:01.809 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: wow! There you said so much in there. There, I want to follow up with that. Um. Well, there are a couple of things. So when women live together, we know that their periods are synchronized because there's a chemical that we release right.

00:25:03.070 --> 00:25:05.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Is there any research to say

00:25:05.780 --> 00:25:22.999 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: with menopause in a communal setting, that menopause is kind of stimulated around the same time as well. I don't think there's been that much research into that. And Women's research into Women's health has been generally one hundred

00:25:23.010 --> 00:25:42.340 Pat Duckworth: under funded, underdeveloped. We're just starting to see more research. Now, women are so complex that when pharmacutical companies are researching drugs it is much easier to test them on male rats, male mice, and me.

00:25:42.410 --> 00:25:56.239 Pat Duckworth: So even in the laboratory they're not using female mice. They're using male mice because they don't have the same cycles that we do So Research into Women's health generally

00:25:56.250 --> 00:26:04.940 Pat Duckworth: has been underfunded. We're just starting to see more of it as they get interested. I think the pharmacutical companies have seen

00:26:05.170 --> 00:26:31.820 Pat Duckworth: a huge opportunity in addressing menopause, because fifty percent of the population are going to go through it, and they so think, Huh! We are missing out on some money here. We need to do some research. So i'm hoping there is research now going on into neurology around menopause what's actually going on in female brains at that stage which is really interesting, And I hope that we're going to see more of that.

00:26:31.830 --> 00:26:48.519 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, I I appreciate you saying that part because you also just mentioned, when you were talking about the nuns. You mentioned Alzheimer's. So what is the connection between Menopause and Alzheimer's? So we know that women have a higher incidence of Menopause

00:26:48.820 --> 00:26:49.770 Pat Duckworth: Oh,

00:26:50.000 --> 00:27:09.340 Pat Duckworth: Alzheimer's in their later years, and it's not just that women live longer than men. It's. Actually, there is a higher incidence of Alzheimer's amongst women, and that is partly what's triggered this research into well, what's going on? And when they've looked at the brains of women, one hundred and fifty

00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:16.780 Pat Duckworth: pre-menopause during menopause post menopause they notice changes in the actual structure of the brain,

00:27:16.790 --> 00:27:39.109 Pat Duckworth: and the women at Menopause develops more amyloid plaques in the brain which can be a precursor to Alzheimer's Now they're not saying, Oh, now we know what's happening, because you can develop amyloid plaques and not develop Alzheimer's. But what's really being said now is because we don't know enough. It's so important

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:47.580 Pat Duckworth: to women, pre menopause all through their lives to be taking care of their health and taking care of their brains

00:27:47.590 --> 00:28:02.949 Pat Duckworth: mit ctl and eating the things that help to support our brains, doing the exercise, limiting the stress, because there is an issue that more women get Alzheimer's as they age so real quick, Pat, and before the break one hundred and fifty,

00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:14.209 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: what are some things that people could do around food? For instance, you said, you know, uh taking care of our bodies and those. So what are some? Some healthy things that we can do?

00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:35.120 Pat Duckworth: Well, The license research says that the um Mediterranean diet, and i'm not talking about a diet i'm talking about like a way of nourishing our bodies is probably the best for our brains, so we need the healthy facts. This is about not eating fat, because you might find you're getting a little bit bigger around the waste

00:28:35.130 --> 00:28:48.160 Pat Duckworth: erez agmoni. This is about eating the healthy fats, the olive oil, the the really well-produced butters, the avocados the oily fish, because our brain needs omega three

00:28:48.240 --> 00:29:18.219 Pat Duckworth: um. We need plenty of hydration. Our brains need water, so don't think. Oh, I won't have a drink in case I need to get up to go to the bathroom at night. No, your brain needs the hydration and keep. Oh, and that is so true! Isn't, that isn't that what people do, because with menopause people find if they're getting up more frequently during the night, so they're like, No, i'm not going to. Am I going to do this? Yeah, it's okay. Get up during the night as well as you go back to bed and go. Oh, I am so grateful to be in a safe place and comfortable. I am going.

00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:29.829 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I'm back to sleep. It's all good. I love that, because here here's the thing. If if you have to go and you don't go, you're you're saying I gotta go, but I don't want to get up right

00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:40.979 Pat Duckworth: uh so staying well hydrated, eating healthy facts, eating a a rainbow of fruit and vegetables because we need the vitamins that come from that and um

00:29:40.990 --> 00:29:51.270 Pat Duckworth: mit ctl. And really, you know, the complex carbohydrates. So we don't want the white sugars, the white flowers, the white pastors. We want the carbohydrates that we get from fruit and vegetables one hundred and fifty

00:29:51.280 --> 00:30:02.300 Pat Duckworth: um, And really we need to exercise to keep the blood flowing around our body, because our brain needs that blood flow as well. So eat well exercise.

00:30:02.310 --> 00:30:13.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Oh, thank you, Pat, we're going to take a quick break, and we're going to be back with my guest today. Packed up. We're talking a bit more about men. A pause. This is the dismantle racism show we'll be right back.

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00:32:14.830 --> 00:32:20.379 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: We're back with my guest today, Pat Duckworth, and we've been talking about menopause.

00:32:20.590 --> 00:32:23.940 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Pat You mentioned stress

00:32:24.190 --> 00:32:28.380 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: a few times and how stress impacts us

00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:30.949 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: in terms of menopause.

00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:47.109 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Now we know that people of color experience anywhere from twenty-five to fifty percent more stress, but just by being born into these bodies, and what we experience talk to me a little bit about

00:32:47.120 --> 00:32:51.509 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: differences that you've noticed in terms of

00:32:51.630 --> 00:33:03.799 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: how people of color may experience meant to cause if there are any differences. But in particular. Uh, what are you noticing around? Equity issues and that applause?

00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:11.290 Pat Duckworth: It's such an important question, and it's an aspect of menopause that we need to keep raising and talking about.

00:33:11.320 --> 00:33:13.260 Pat Duckworth: Um, because

00:33:13.330 --> 00:33:16.810 Pat Duckworth: stress has an impact on your symptoms.

00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:28.259 Pat Duckworth: The stress causes cortisol to be released into the system. Cortisol is an inflammatory. It has a job it has to gear you up, Get you going every day, but prolonged

00:33:28.340 --> 00:33:47.149 Pat Duckworth: a periods of stress and too much. Ca: So in the blood inflames the system and makes the symptoms that you're experiencing worse. And for people of color, women of color that can mean going into menopause months, maybe years earlier than an equivalent white person.

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:56.679 Pat Duckworth: And also there's a disparity in the health system here in the Uk and in America, and probably in other countries as well,

00:33:56.690 --> 00:34:26.559 Pat Duckworth: and the outcomes concerning women's reproductive health. So women of color have worse outcomes when they are pregnant when they're in labor, post, pregnancy and menopause, and they can be genetic differences in terms of being more prone to developing fibroids which are benign growth that can occur in the around the ovaries around the cervix in the room, and it can lead to having hysterectomy. So more

00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:44.350 Pat Duckworth: the women of color have hysterectomies proportionately than women do. But then white women do so. These kind of differences mean that you know that the experience of racism which causes day on day stress in the body,

00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:57.379 Pat Duckworth: erez agmoni is affecting your sleep. It's affecting the balance of your hormones. It's affecting the other um symptoms that you experience. That's why we need to talk about it and address it one hundred and fifty,

00:34:57.390 --> 00:35:06.899 Pat Duckworth: so that women of color understand what it is that they're experiencing, and why It might be different from other white people that they know.

00:35:06.910 --> 00:35:29.059 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: You know, as you're talking. I I just keep thinking about the women that I know who've experienced exactly what you're talking about at very early ages, experiencing the the fibroids they don't mean to, because i'm guessing that it contributes to that as well, and how those things you know, with doctors

00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:38.600 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: or not paying attention to those things they'll just say, Oh, it's family history, you know, or or just brush it off without thinking about.

00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:41.750 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Are there things that we could do

00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:59.700 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: culturally in terms of or or just as it's culturally as a society in terms of reducing the stress that we're experiencing all the things that you just talked about with it, eating and exercising, and all that. But how we take care of ourselves mentally,

00:35:59.710 --> 00:36:06.610 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as it relates to the daily experiences of racism. And then what do we do systemically

00:36:06.810 --> 00:36:10.739 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: to help people right? And I think you know,

00:36:11.020 --> 00:36:12.860 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the more we know

00:36:13.410 --> 00:36:20.089 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: the better we are at taking care of ourselves. So all those things that you just described.

00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:37.669 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: If we don't know that, for instance, about the cortisol level, and how it impacts us, and we're experiencing this every day. We just take it as Oh, this is just the way I am, but it's just the way my family is not knowing that we need to do something about it.

00:36:37.990 --> 00:36:48.930 Pat Duckworth: That's why we need to have these conversations, and just openly acknowledge it, having those conversations within communities and across communities.

00:36:48.940 --> 00:37:04.230 Pat Duckworth: So we kind of understanding because you'd hear, I mean in the past two years there's been much more in the Uk press about Minneapolis. Generally there is a a a Tv personality called Devina Mccall, and because she's one hundred and fifty,

00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:24.170 Pat Duckworth: a young woman. Um! She's had a lot of publicity. She's just published a book she's got people thinking about his um menopause generally, and she's got people going off to talk to their doctors, and many women are turning around and saying, Well, my doctor's just dismissing me and saying this isn't, important, and not understanding one hundred and fifty

00:37:24.180 --> 00:37:36.789 Pat Duckworth: erez agmoni. So there is a general level of women's health problems being not properly looked after. And then, when we get to women of color. There's a whole other layer going on there, one hundred and fifty,

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:52.970 Pat Duckworth: and that whole lot of different circumstances where this, where the racism background level of racism is causing this stress day on day, and stress affects our bodies, and how our bodies operate, and we need to talk about it.

00:37:52.980 --> 00:38:05.170 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you. Do you know the whether there is a I won't say, an abundance of research? But you just talked about how difficult it is to do research in general on women.

00:38:05.430 --> 00:38:09.039 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Do you think that we have enough research

00:38:09.070 --> 00:38:18.310 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: for women of color like really to talk about how it's so dramatically different because you've just talked about some really important things, and it feels like we need

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:48.290 Pat Duckworth: some more answers and some more ways of treating. Perhaps women who are going through menopause. Yeah, I mean, the Swan report is ongoing. So the study of women's health across the nation is is ongoing and live and looks at these issues to say, what are the differences in women's experiences, and what's contributing to it? So they look at things like Oh, it does seem to be in the in the groups that they're researching. There seems to be a big difference between one hundred and fifty

00:38:48.300 --> 00:39:07.659 Pat Duckworth: Erez Agmoni women of color, white women, Hispanic women, Um and Asian women, And what do we need to strip out to get to what's causing it? So they start to look at Well, is it socio-economic, Is it. You know cultural, what else is going on? And if they strip those out, they say, Well, there's not much different. One hundred and one.

00:39:07.670 --> 00:39:35.869 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: But how can you strip them out? But racism affects your socioeconomic great. That's right. That's right. You come surely right, and and you know what one of the things that, you know, when you were talking before, and you talked about how Cortisol affects um, you know, even when you have children and et cetera. Well, we do know that there's research out there that shows that infant mortality in middle class black, black women

00:39:36.040 --> 00:39:59.019 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: is more significant than it is in poor white women, so that that, in fact, is about race, because they said they attributed to stress. And so we have to really take a look at this stress level. It's amazing that that you know we're still standing on some days, right? So even even if um

00:39:59.070 --> 00:40:08.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: there's research to show that internally, you know, we're dying internally fast for about eight years faster than white

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:17.229 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: because of the stress that we experience. Pat. I want to ask you. Uh, you know we we can, by talking a little bit about weight gain,

00:40:17.240 --> 00:40:31.479 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: but it's the average. If you know this uh weight that women gain during menopause again, I don't think there's that much research about it. Most women will tell you that they start to change shape, and that is

00:40:31.490 --> 00:41:01.480 Pat Duckworth: kind of obvious, you know. If you think of menopause as being the twin of puberty. When you went through puberty your hormone started to lay down fat in all the sexy places you started to get breast, and you got a bit of a bomb and hips, and you were going into this lovely shape, and actually hormones laying down fat in those places, and then you get to menopause, and it starts to lay down fact in other places, which, unfortunately, because of ages that we think is less

00:41:01.490 --> 00:41:21.390 Pat Duckworth: attractive. So it starts to lay down ways around the waste, because that is one of the areas where we store estrogen and around the belly and we go. Oh, it's terrible. It's a natural shape at this age of life, but we will still want to be eighteen. So are you telling me we should just embrace it. Just embrace

00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:38.330 Pat Duckworth: that weight gain around there. We should only really be concerned if we put on a lot of white around the waste. Your your body, your brain is trying to do a good thing. It's trying to store some hormones for you,

00:41:38.340 --> 00:42:04.790 Pat Duckworth: but if it's puts on too much white around that around the waste that fat is metabolically active. That means there's stuff going on, and if you put too much weight on there, it can increase your risk of various cancers. So we're like we want a little bit, because we want some reserves. Stay, attire it's not bad thing as long as it's not a big spare time. Um! So we should really be

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:09.989 Pat Duckworth: thinking about what's a healthy way? This is not a stage of life to be dieting.

00:42:10.220 --> 00:42:12.310 Pat Duckworth: Don't stop

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:36.729 Pat Duckworth: taking facts out, and I oh, i'm never going to eat another carbohydrate. No, it's not about that. It's about thinking about what's healthy at this stage of life and looking at portion size as well, because, as we get older we don't need as much food as we used to, and sometimes we think, Oh, why can't I eat a whole plate of that. We don't think that. Just think what is going to keep my body satisfied and working healthily.

00:42:36.740 --> 00:42:51.240 Pat Duckworth: And you know, if you put on a little bit of white around your waste in your tummy, embrace it as your new sexy. So that's okay. So let me ask you, though, because I have heard people you know talk about,

00:42:51.280 --> 00:43:02.120 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know, an increase in appetite, So is there a connection with even permanent pause? And um just an increase in app type.

00:43:02.550 --> 00:43:30.299 Pat Duckworth: Uh i'm feeling really hungry at the moment, because it's awesome. You know. Different things affect our appetite, and I think in a previous life. I must have been a polar bear, and like eating at this stage of life, and then gone to sleep, woken up sl in the summer. So there are really different things affect our appetite, and it's working out whether it's because we're stressed. If you're not sleeping well, it it's very hard to maintain a healthy way when you're not sleeping well.

00:43:30.310 --> 00:43:57.739 Pat Duckworth: Um cause the hormones that govern sleep change so there it's again. It's a complex issue, and if you're feeling hungry. There might be something that you need to be looking at, whether you might have emotional hunger might be feeling sad or or frustrated, and you eat because of that. So look at whether you're physically hungry or whether there's something else you need to deal with that, You You're just satisfying with food.

00:43:57.750 --> 00:43:58.520 Okay,

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00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.599 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: we're back with the dismantle racism. Show, Pat,

00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:18.099 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I want to ask you because you do

00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.060 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: this this work about menopause in the workplace.

00:46:23.180 --> 00:46:39.389 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: So tell me a little bit about what you do when you are going into the workplace to talk to employers about this, because, as we said throughout the whole, show this isn't something that people talk about. So what do you do when you go into the workplace?

00:46:39.990 --> 00:47:09.980 Pat Duckworth: So it depends on what stage i'm invited in. There is now, I mean in the Uk. We are tripping over research into why it works to um support women at menopause in the workplace when I first started out. Did my first talk on Minneapolis in the workplace. It was two thousand and fifteen, and I think there was one research paper, but that was really helpful. But now universities uh Personnel Company. Lots of people are doing research in the end

00:47:09.990 --> 00:47:22.759 Pat Duckworth: Erez Agmoni area. So sometimes, if it's really early stages, I'm explaining why it works for them. You know what the bottom line implication is of ignoring women at menopause, because one

00:47:22.770 --> 00:47:51.669 Pat Duckworth: many women walk away from their careers at this stage of life, because they think they're getting Alzheimer's. They think they can't cope. They don't understand what's going on. They're too embarrassed to talk about it so all of that experience, all of that knowledge, all of that training, just walks out the door, and the employer doesn't even know why, and really supporting women can be incredibly cost effective. It's not that expensive to provide support systems, one hundred

00:47:51.780 --> 00:48:09.629 Pat Duckworth: so depending on the stage there are, I might be explaining to them Why, it's an issue, and then they go right. We want a menopause policy, because here in the Uk a lot of companies have put policies in place. I don't like to think of it as like pink washing, you know, like Oh, we've got a policy, We we're all done,

00:48:09.640 --> 00:48:25.110 Pat Duckworth: but I will tell you. It sounds like you're much more advanced in this area than oh, really are years in front of you years. But the Us. Is starting to get interested. I'm getting more inquiries now to talk about this in uh American companies, One.

00:48:25.160 --> 00:48:40.729 Pat Duckworth: And so I stopped them at the stage. They say we want a policy. And I say, okay, Now, what do your employees want? Because the support employees will will vary from industry to Industry Companies Company.

00:48:40.740 --> 00:48:57.559 Pat Duckworth: So in some, you know, if you're in a retail industry, the women might just want to be able to go to the bathroom whenever they need to, and we can't take that for granted. Some employers like you can go at this time this time in this time. That's it. Five minutes back on the shop floor,

00:48:57.570 --> 00:49:12.750 Pat Duckworth: and you know, if you're having heavier bleeding because you've got fibroids, or you're just going into menopause. That is not good enough, you know. So it might be that you're working in an office. It's open plan. People need

00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:31.590 Pat Duckworth: science on their desks again, not taking it for granted for some companies, saying all that goes to untidy. We don't want fans on this. Well, do you want your employees to be working properly or not? And the example that I've talked to you about previously. I've worked with um a fire service who have women, firefighters,

00:49:31.600 --> 00:49:35.030 Pat Duckworth: and the women Firefighters say, Well, what we need is

00:49:35.430 --> 00:50:04.779 Pat Duckworth: sanitary packs within the fire um appliances. So if we're out dealing with a big file, we know that there are sanitary tales that we can use, that. You know there are wipes that we can use. Um we at different stages of the month. Our waste is different sizes, you know. If i'm getting a bit of bloating, my waist is a trouser a pent size bigger than it would be normally. So in my uniform pack I want two sets of pants.

00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:15.640 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: I love this. I love this because you're what you're talking about. Are these really practical steps that companies can take to to say that i'm mindful

00:50:15.650 --> 00:50:29.520 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: that you, as a woman, show up differently than I do as a man, and some of these companies are even run by women who probably don't even think about these very practical issues, because we get used to accommodating

00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:58.609 Pat Duckworth: great. Yeah, and we shouldn't think it's only male managers. You don't get it. Female managers don't get it, either, unless they've had this experience. They might be younger. They might be older, and they have an easy transition. Great. But you know, let's be empathetic. I say this isn't a women issue. This is an empathy issue. This is about understanding what somebody's going through, and one company recently has made yoga classes available

00:50:59.040 --> 00:51:19.729 Pat Duckworth: to their women uh menopause, because they say, well, we know that. Yeah. Well, the women have probably said it would really help us if we had something that help us calm down. If you've got to listen to what it is Staff actually want before you start building a policy for many women having flexible working hours, is a lifesaver.

00:51:19.740 --> 00:51:47.319 Pat Duckworth: Perhaps they will stay in bed a little bit later in the morning, because that's when they can sleep, and they don't mind working later in the evening. Or maybe they want to come in early, because that's when they've got energy, and they want to go home only, which is when they just feel burnt out so flexible working time can be really helpful. Really doesn't cost the company anything. So we're not talking expensive stuff. We're talking about, listening to people and hearing what it is they need.

00:51:47.330 --> 00:52:04.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Hmm. So you're so what you're doing it Two things, I I believe. So you go in and you just kind of take a look at the company and see what the company needs in order to make life better for the women uh who are there But what you're also doing is that

00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:12.590 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you are taking away some of the stigma that's associated with the things that we go through

00:52:12.600 --> 00:52:30.769 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: as women, because for far too long people have made jokes, and our expense about periods and about menopause is about going through menopause without understanding exactly what's happening. Now I have to ask you one other question,

00:52:31.220 --> 00:52:58.760 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and this is going back to A to just thinking about how women go through through menopause, and I would be remiss if I don't ask you this: what is happening to women there when the women are still in their sixties, and they're getting their periods, which means that they haven't hit been a pause. Yet technically, by your definition, what is happening if they are still getting it, and whether they're getting it monthly or they're getting it,

00:52:58.770 --> 00:52:59.850 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: you know

00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:16.579 Pat Duckworth: erez agmoni two or three times. Yeah. So you know, I I come across women who've gone through menopause in their twenties and thirties, and other women who are still having periods later in life, and that's why we always, at this average age of being around fifty-one.

00:53:16.780 --> 00:53:24.880 Pat Duckworth: But I think if you're getting to that age, and you're still having regular bleeding. But if you're if you're having heavy bleeding,

00:53:24.890 --> 00:53:54.870 Pat Duckworth: it's time to get it investigated, because it's not always just about your hormones. There could be a fibroid issue. There could even be a cancer issue. So it's really important. If something is, seems out of the ordinary to go and get it checked out, because, you know, you can think it's menopause or not menopause, and it it really needs to be looked at further. I talked to one company, and it was the manager, the mail manager who brought me into talk, and I realized why,

00:53:54.880 --> 00:54:10.549 Pat Duckworth: part way through when I got to Q. A. And he said, Why is it that my wife's periods have stopped? And then a year later, they've started, and then they've stopped, and a year later. How many times is this gonna happen? And I said, I don't know how long it's going to happen,

00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:27.339 Pat Duckworth: but that can happen. So we have to be careful around our reproductive health if we've got period stopping and starting because you could still get pregnant. Yeah, Well, Pat, I just want to thank you so much. I think, that this has been so enlightening, and

00:54:27.350 --> 00:54:43.780 Pat Duckworth: tell folks how they can get in touch with you and in and to work with you, because apparently we need you here in America to doing this work you do. I could tell you so much. Um, just It's really simple. Pat Duckworth, dot com

00:54:43.940 --> 00:54:51.970 Pat Duckworth: is how you can get in touch with me. There's a contact page there, and you can download for free the first

00:54:51.980 --> 00:55:05.470 Pat Duckworth: mit ctl and um chapter of my book Menopause. Mind the gap. So you understand why menopause is a workplace issue. You can find it on that website. You can message me pat at Dot Com, and i'll happily send you the link two hundred and fifty.

00:55:05.750 --> 00:55:08.830 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: Well, Pat, you have been a delightful guest

00:55:09.010 --> 00:55:34.470 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: uh, and then very informative guest, and I really thank you for being on the show today. I also think, as always, my amazing, amazing listeners. Thank you for joining me each week. If you want to know more about the services I offer. Please go to sacred intelligence dot com. I do have a two day retreat coming up on the twenty-first and the twenty-second of October. Please join me for that,

00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:45.009 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: and I want to invite you to stay tuned for the conscious consultant Hour with Sam Leibowitz where he he helps you to walk through life with the greatest of ease Enjoy

00:55:45.020 --> 00:56:04.080 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: May today you tap into that secret part of you that allows you to make choices that are going to help you to manifest your greatness while helping others to do the same. Know that we are all one, and we exist because of one another, make it a priority to share love,

00:56:04.090 --> 00:56:13.199 Rev. Dr. Terrlyn Curry Avery: hope, compassion, and peace. Today be well, be safe, be encouraged until next time, Bye, for now.

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